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ananyo writes "A burger made entirely from lab-grown meat is expected to be unveiled by October this year. But costing in excess of $250,000, it's not going to be flying off supermarket shelves quite yet. The lab meat is produced using adult stem cells, which are then grown on scaffolds in cell-culture media. Because such lab-assembled muscle is weak, it has to be 'bulked up' by exposing to electric shocks. The researchers, based in the Netherlands, had already grown goldfish fillets in 2002, then fried them in breadcrumbs before giving them to an 'odor and sight' panel to assess whether they seemed edible." While I'm not overly enthusiastic about this Dutch attempt at growing burgers, it is a huge step-up from the Japanese effort.
I’m really excited about this stuff. Most of our food is loaded with synthetics anyway, may as well just start from there and be done with it.
The whole animal rights angle is interesting. Cows are primarily bred for food. If we eliminate the need for cow meat, we actually eliminate the need for cows. We won’t be killing a bunch of cows to feed ourselves, but the cows we would have killed won’t exist any more so in a twisted way we are kind of pre-emptively killing them.
Also, they need to come up with some kind of lab grown Dorito-esq chip that’s actually healthy for you and doesn’t taste like crap.
Made from embryonic stem cells rather than adult, of course.
Japanese can eat whale meat all they want without giving Greenpeace fits... and Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese can eat dog meat without offending PETA, Jews/Muslims can eat pork without offending their clergy... what's not to love?
That's just messed up in so many ways.
No sooner do I get over one, then you put a better one right next to me. Bastards.
I propose that the inventor of these products be force fed them for 20 years. This will, naturally (yes, sarcasm intended), dispell any doubts about their safety.
You can pry my dead cow burger from my greasy and certainly not cold dead hands.
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In the West we could all do with eating a bit further down the food chain really - Red meat is known to linked to bowel cancers.
Mind you, I'm Scottish, so can't really preach about good diet really :)
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Does this qualify as meat during Lent? Or should I just stick to my Filet-O-Fishes (or is it Filets-O-Fish) for Friday?
Since the whole point of abstaining from meat during Lent is "mortification of the flesh", you could probably go either way.
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Because such lab-assembled muscle is weak
It's veal!
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If you live in America, you don't need GM foods for that...although you may have to mix it yourself.
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so who cares how it tastes?
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... at industrial scale that is both cost effective and as good/or better then the real thing remains to be seen.
They mean adult cattle... but my first thought: it's made of people!
Perhaps if part of training the muscle involved teaching it to hump its way up onto a bun, then pull a slice of tomato and some lettuce over itself as a kind of blanket...
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I'll gladly give you fiat currency Tuesday for a fake-meat burger today.
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It might have been best to clarify what species of adult the stem cells are harvested from, since in most news stories, "adult stem cells" typically has a connotation of adult human stem cells!
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So, right now we don't know if we are eating real food or GMO food, as it is not mandatory to have it written on the product. And my question is, are we going to be "informed" the same way about the fake meat??? What is next, fake politicians? Oh.....wait, they already fake...
Actually, I was really surprised by that news. Not the fact that the law was changed, but the fact that it existed in the first place. And the "oh won't somebody think of the horses"-response. Here horses are used for some meat products. Mind you though, I don't think they're bred for it, like cows and especially pigs, but at some point they get old and, well, you get the drift. And why not? It's really tasty, I find some horse steaks to be far better than beef. And horse salami rocks.
This is good progressive news; global demand for meat far outstrips the resources, which pushes producers not only to destroy wilderness to attempt to supply, but convert to factory farming, abject cruelty, increase contamination likelihood, et cetera. If you want meat in your future, and have no plans to breed a little bit less for a few generations to give the poor planet a break from the burden of trying to supply for our desires, then this is basically your only course of action. Frankly, I'd feel better eating a hunk of muscle cells that never to experience pain or required the flattening of the amazon or the draining of giant aquifers to provide.
Well, they are getting better! The Japanese version makes Soylent Green look appetizing by comparison! Talk about a literal shit sandwich!!
Does this qualify as meat during Lent? Or should I just stick to my Filet-O-Fishes (or is it Filets-O-Fish) for Friday?
They ret-con these things, but if it's 'flesh' in the religious eyes then you can't eat it on Fridays.
Except for beaver, because it spends most of its time in the water (no, really). So, have your Fillets 'O Beaver and be content in your righteousness. Or, read 1 Timothy 4 - your call.
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Assuming this technology pans out, why would you call it fake? Just like a lab-grown emerald, it is chemically identical to the natural source without all the damage to the landscape, infection(inclusion) exposure, or unnecessary cost. (sure it costs a lot now, it's an experiment. In a couple decades time, it'll clock in at a ten, maybe a hundredth of the cost of 'real-but-otherwise-inferior' meat off the killed organism.)
What do horse salami rocks taste like? Are they hard? Do they melt in your mouth, or do you need to nibble at them?
Kinds of surprised no one has posted that. But then, I bet the vast majority of you people weren't even alive what that came out.
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"it has to be 'bulked up' by exposing to electric shocks"
I don't care if it is in a test tube, PETA's gonna go apeshit over this.
They could sell the shit out of these $250K burgers they were called iBurgers and were sold by Apple.
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On a continent that goes apeshit over Genetically Modified and other Bioengineered Crops, it seems unlikely this will gain any traction in the commercial market place, at least not in the EU. On the other hand, the EU may take the stance that since this work was pioneered in the EU, it can't possibly be bad.
Now on Mars, or long space voyages this might have some appeal, especially Mars, where there is a possibility of finding water, thereby eliminating one of the heaviest component of any food product. Although unless making and transporting the necessary equipment and media takes up less room and less weight than a freezer full of hamburger this seems unlikely there as well. Chances are the growth media can be shipped dry as well, and reconstituted with distilled water from any source.
Even if the cost per pound could be brought in line with animal sources, it seems unlikely to be a rational method of food production here on earth, simply because significant portions of the meat supply would be put at risk by a simple power failure, or contaminant in the growth media.
The rest of this story will no doubt be filled with hand wringing posts over the amount of CO2 that cattle produce (something never attributed to Wildebeest herds), and how this will save the earth. The whole concept creates an intellectual conundrum for the Peta crowd. They would love to get animals off the farm, and this method presents a way forward, but having to embrace those huge corporations, and bio-engineering is probably more than they could stomach.
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I find some horse steaks to be far better than beef.
I was almost believing you until that point. The more you work a muscle, and the older it gets, the stringier and tougher it becomes. I bet horse would make an awesome slow cooked bbq, but as a steak it would make "cube steaks" (which I personally find inedible) seem like tenderloin. Keep this in mind for the post-zombie apocalypse cannibalism era, old muscular ex-military weightlifter dude like me is almost the definition of not good eats.
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I love eating beaver.
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Check the bible. Surely as the authoritative source on everything, it has something to say about eating synthetic meat?
I'm kidding, as someone who was raised a Catholic I know that that particular church doesn't emphasise the Bible as much as Protestant denominations, and places more emphasis on tradition since the church is supposed to be the inheritor of St Peter.
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Reporters grab this story from the file every year or so. As long as it has the "ick factor", they'll continue to run it. It seems to have first appeared in 2001. Here's one from about six years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/magazine/11ideas_section2-9.html
Now here's another interesting philosophical question. I eat a vegan diet for health reasons, mostly to do with the quality of food and how it goes from "animal" to "edible".
Is test-tube meat something that I would eat? What about an ethical vegan? (They don't want animals to suffer.)
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Does this qualify as meat during Lent? Or should I just stick to my Filet-O-Fishes (or is it Filets-O-Fish) for Friday?
Since the whole point of abstaining from meat during Lent is "mortification of the flesh", you could probably go either way.
And people wonder why I left Catholicism and Christianity.
I spent this Sunday, BTW, having a Buddhist shifu explain reincarnation as a flame being transferred from one candle to another.
We as a species really need to get away from 2,500 Axial Age religions and bring our spiritual thought into the modern age.
If we don't, religion will destroy us.
When the company food taster is asked for his opinion on the beef, he stares off sadly and says, "it tastes like despair".
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
To be completely ethically correct, you need a source species able to give informed consent.
At this point, we only know of one example, and only in some extraordinarily self-aware examples.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The purpose of cooking, in addition of making the food more palatable and more digestible, is also to sterilise it.
So you won't find much bacteria on your burger once it leave the grill (or the over).
Also, this is not only a mix of proteins, this is real muscle tissues obtained by growing muscle out of stem cells, exactly as in real life. The only thing which it might lack is blood (as in the body, it's produced elsewhere), but even that could be fixed (stem cells or bone marrow cells grown in a bone-marrow-like environment to produce blood).
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Sorry, I think that a bit got lost in the translation. I don't mean the about-inch-thick pieces fried quickly for each side, but you know stick a big piece of meat in an oven for many hours (or a barbeque, if you will) at low heat.
I spent a weekend listening to a string theorist explain multiple universes. I felt much the same way.
All these comments and not a mention of Alpha Centauri's beef vats? For shame, nerds. For shame.
They're there affecting their effect.
I don't know why but this concept gives me the creeps because we don't really understand all there is to know about genetics
No genetics involved here.
It's plain vanilla stem cells, which are grown on a media and produce muscle tissue.
It's exactly the same process which occurs naturally in a growing animal.
By creating meat in a lab, there is no way to be sure that it is exactly the same as nature intended it to be. In fact, our bodies may very well process it differently or it could be very detrimental to our health
From a dietary point of view, the only point in eating meat is to get proteins. There are some amino acid which are present in meat while being rare in most plants (that's why you can't improvise a vegan regime but need to follow a specific regime with enough specific plants which give you the otherwise rare and missing amino acids).
Everything else you get it from plants: including all the really important vitamins, and so one. Except some B vitamins which are absent in plants but present in yeast (beer!!!) and in animal products (milk).
So wherever you hamburger was vat grown, or grown on a real animal doesn't change much: You'll get what you need (protein) from both, and anything else you need comes actually from your side dish (vegetables).
If you want to be concsious about what you eat, you don't need to insist on animal meat. You need to eat more fruits and vegetables.
From a "food processing point of view", it doesn't mean much. Cooking food destroys (denaturates) most proteins anyway, so by the time it goes out of the grill, it won't be much different between vat grown and animal grown.
From a biological point of view, this is not simply proteins produced in a vat, this is real muscle tissue produced by actual stem cell, just like in a growing body. Under the microscope you won't see much difference.
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practice and practice with a high powered rifle, then hunt your own meat with head shots. no suffering, no processing, no preservatives.
There will be two types of cell lines. One is extracted from living animals, and the other is extracted through butchering. The latter will provide a great deal more meat more cheaply (as these cells can only divide so many times).
So it depends on where you want to draw the line. If you don't mind taking, say, 1/1000th of the life of a cow to eat a burger every week for the rest of your life, then it is fine either way. If you don't want any part of a dead animal on your hands, then you will have to go with the more expensive extraction method.
Of course, if you don't want ANY part in any animal death, you should know that pretty much everything you use has animal parts in it somewhere. Hell, tires are black because of carbon black sourced from charred animal carcasses.
There once was a website called manbeef.com that claimed to be a source of fresh human meat for human consumption. (It was elaborate and looked real, but there was no contact information about how to actually procure the stuff, so it was a hoax.) However is there any particular reason why human stem cells shouldn't be used and human meat produced for human consumption? I think it'd be interesting. The argument goes that no poor animal has to suffer and die to satisfy our taste buds anymore, surely the same applies to people? If "human" meat tastes a certain way then some people might decide that they like the taste and it might become a delicacy. I remember reacting the same way a lot of people are probably reacting to this post right now when someone first introduced me to the concept of Sushi. "What kind of a sicko would eat raw fish?"
We treat such strange concoctions as ducks' livers and certain fish eggs as a delicacy, don't we? Why not synthetic human meat?
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Brand new? Buddhism is 600 years older than Christianity.
The lab is powered by hamster wheels.
Religion is a spiritual crutch for people who can't handle God.
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Assuming this technology pans out, why would you call it fake? Just like a lab-grown emerald, it is chemically identical to the natural source without all the damage to the landscape, infection(inclusion) exposure, or unnecessary cost. (sure it costs a lot now, it's an experiment. In a couple decades time, it'll clock in at a ten, maybe a hundredth of the cost of 'real-but-otherwise-inferior' meat off the killed organism.)
Because it won't be the same. They're not making a T-bone steak, they're making protein mush. It may well look and taste like something you get a McDonald's but it will be a far cry from 'real meat'.
And Guppy's comment is also relevant - it's unlikely to be cheaper than cows on a hoof.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Right and if you can't avoid the inhumane treatment of animals in one microcosm of your life, you better just start clubbing baby seals to death because shades of gray are for people more sophisticated than us.
Thanks Slashdot, for continuing your slide into sensationalist & misleading summaries.
In a world where we talk about holographic storage, holo decks and the Year of Linux on the Desktop, 10-20 years is 'soon'.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
No or little suffering unless your headshot is just a little bit off. That happened to me my first time out hunting. While I'd hypothetically go hunting again, I felt like a major asshole when my friend said "You shot the front of its head off" and it was bouncing up and down off the ground in what must have been horrific pain until my friend got close enough to blow the rest of its brains out.
Or you could join a denomination that follows the Bible more than its traditions, since the Bible has no mention of Lent.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Been there, done that.
I like mine rare, thank you.
Seriously, grow up.
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There are vegan meat substitutes for pretty much anything you could ever want. I've had vegan chicken, turkey, hamburger, hotdogs, sausages, bacon, even fish and chips. Grated, I've yet to see a convincing vegan steak (the closest equivilent I know of is a grilled portobello mushroom), but in general, mimicking the taste of meat isn't hard, it's getting the texture right, and I can't imagine lab grown meat can match the texture of the real thing.
Anyone* that doesn't want to harm animals can already choose** not to eat meat without giving up the taste of meat.
* Actually, 94% of people, a lot of fake meat contains wheat gluten, which 6% of the population is sensitive to.
** Not that it does much good. Thanks to government subsidies, the meat industry makes their money whether you buy their stuff or not, so voting with your wallet doesn't work.
Ask me again when Obama forces us all to eat hamburgers made out of test-tube babies.
Clearly, as President-to-be Santorum has said, Satan is attacking America:
I am comforted by a presidential candidate who talks about Satan's evil plan to destroy America, using "sensuality". So when Satan/Obama comes do destroy America, he will force us to eat hamburgers made of test-tube babies at Hooters! We need a president like Rick Santorum. That's why I encourage all of you to visit spreadingsantorum.com where you can donate to the cause.
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Keep this in mind for the post-zombie apocalypse cannibalism era, old muscular ex-military weightlifter dude like me is almost the definition of not good eats.
Ha! I can beat that, I have hardly any muscle at all! Go get 'im, cannibals!
What about an ethical vegan?
No such thing.
Reminds me of chicken little in The Space Merchants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants. A major source of protein for an over-populated world was this vast mass of growing tissue, which advertising convinced people that it tasted good.
The only good thing you can do with old horses is burgers and sausages, so why not do that? Ok, you can also use the hides/leather, hair(for paintbrushes and bows for string instruments) and I think there is some way to make glue out of them. But my point is that it's a waste of meat not to slaughter horses (even if it just end up as dog food).
and no, this is not a slippery slope towards soylent green.
PETA has come out in favor of this research and said it is a great thing. They're interested in the animals and suffering, not muscle tissue in the abstract.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Oh yeah PETA is against killing animals. So that is what you think. PETA killed over 31,000 cats and dogs in its shelter. They didn't have the decency to feed the dead animals to the local homeless shelters. Talk about hypocrisy and waste. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof/
Fuck off. :-)
All I did was pass on some information that might be useful in answering the question. PETA is a bunch of fanatics about animals. If they're okay with lab meat, odds are the saner types are as well. Information, not support. Nothing more, nothing less.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
harvesting the methane gas produced
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Should we assume it's soylent green?
Besides that, it could easily be said that the animal still suffers, even with a perfectly executed shot. Yes, it's impossibly brief, so brief you could probably make an argument they don't even feel the pain before they die, but something tells me ethical vegans might not be the type to listen to scientific reasoning from "the guy who wants to kill bambi".
10-20 years isn't exactly "coming soon"
No, only *this* is /exactly/ "Coming Soon".
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The ultimate authority on this should be the Vegan Society in the UK. They (well, Donald Watson) coined and defined the term 'vegan' in 1944. Based on their ideas, since this doesn't at all challenge the idea that animals shouldn't be harmed or exploited (there is no ethical foundation in lab meat), it probably wouldn't be considered vegan - even if they could somehow do away with using blood, etc.. It still came from an animal without consent, even if it were just one cell. (Consent being the opposite of exploitative activity, which is why oral sex, breastfeeding babies, etc.. are considered vegan although 'animal products' are being...err....consumed.)
This, however, brings up an interesting question: why not use human tissue for this? To run a parallel question to the above author: would eating lab-grown human 'meat' constitute cannibalism? If the cells were willingly donated, and presumably no vectors for illness, why not?
It's not just for insults any more.
You aren't supposed to eat meat, because human beings can't chase animals and catch them with our bare hands, (there's a big clue right there), and we can't kill them with our bare hands - our jaws don't open far enough to kill even a small pig, let alone a sheep, a cow, etc. Show me video footage of a human chasing down a healthy sheep, and killing it and eating it with his bare hands and teeth.
This assumes that the "natural" order of things is what a human can do with their bare hands and no tools. But many would argue that it's our ability to move beyond our physical limitations that makes us human, and indeed that we could no longer rely on surviving on that alone. Some have argued that human evolution may even have been driven by cooking.
One can argue about that particular assertion, but I'd question in general any argument that's reliant on what a human can do with absolutely no technology, as it's really not what humans are about.
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And how many livestock animals will you kill to sustain that cat or dog's miserable life in a cage in a shelter...along with the millions of other unlucky pets that weren't just the right age and the right breed and the right personality to make a fashionable Valentine's Day present.
Morality is complicated.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
that Hannibal Lechter is going to changes his ways over this news.
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
I'm thinking I would feel better about eating meat if it came from a "being" that had no self awareness.
I used to think this kind of research would be the holy grail to food production. 10 years after being vegetarian I think to myself now, the experience I treasure from meals now is the simple history behind how it arrives to the plate, and the symbiotic relationship between our body and nutrients it has come to rely on. The more sustainable the realisation of how we receive our energy supply, the stronger I feel as a human species living in the wild.
The very idea of ready-made nutrition sitting in the ground or hanging from branches whets my imagination's appetite more than any short lived craving for any particular chemistry.
So much can be done with tofu and seitan these days I don't see any potential lack of food creativity in the long term, or lack of better things for the mind to concentrate on than tweaking physiological pleasure. Food can be so much more than what meets the eye.
Spoken like a person who doesn't understand the complex realities surrounding animal cruelty and animal care. There are plenty of respectable animal shelters that do put animals down. Here's why: some proportion of the animals that are brought in will never, ever be re-homed. For example, around 25% of the dogs brought in to dogs homes are from police seizures of illegal fighting dogs. These dogs have been raised to fight, and used in illegal dog fights. These animals are, and will always be, dangerous. It is just not usually possible to re-home them in a family environment. The larger animal centers get tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of animals in this kind of state every year. Their funding is limited, and they can't afford to house and feed and pay veterinary bills for every animal until it reaches the end of its natural life. At this point there is a difficult choice: a) let the animal starve (obviously cruel) b) kill the animal in a humane way (not nice, but less cruel). The shelters choose option b. It should be no surprise why, even some nation's Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals have spoken in favour of culling when faced with the alternative of having uncared for animals starve to death.
It wouldn't surprise me if it takes a minute, since motor functions could cease, but the brain can still be conscious. I remember reading a story about someone who had lost half of their brain in a machinery accident. They not only survived, but made a full recovery.
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I agree absolutely. I support Rick Santorum without apology.
The great Santorum recently had this to say in an interview:
We clearly need a president who is willing to die to prevent gay people from getting married.
I think that's why we're seeing Santorum surging everywhere. On Sunday morning, the TV news programs were covered with Santorum. Santorum was everywhere.
If I lived in Michigan, I would absolutely vote for Santorum. I love Santorum and I wear that proudly. It gets a little sticky after a while, but I wear it proudly.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You can attempt to pretend to be an over the top supporter of Rick Santorum, but I am aware of the website you referenced in the post I first responded to. I fully understand how someone like you would be scared to death of someone like Rick Santorum as President after what Obama has done to dismantle the limits on Presidential power (as in, there really are none left).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
This is the first thing you learn in Human Evolution 101. Modern Humans (Homo Sapien Sapien) have always eaten meat. Period. It's a fact. Get over it. They didn't chase the animals, the used LANGUAGE and TOOLS in the hunt to kill the Animals.
I would venture to say, if humans hadn't always eaten meat, they may never have needed larger brains for hunting and communication.
d it was bouncing up and down off the ground in what must have been horrific pain until my friend got close enough to blow the rest of its brains out.
Still a much kinder dead than most wild animals get. e.g. slow starvation, disease, or having your guts ripped out by a predator.
The only animals than can expect a quick dignified death are our pets. Certainly not us.
You really have to practice before the Zombpocalpyse dude.
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You can't have gay marriage without Santorum.
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the brain itself doesn't have pain sensors, if the front half of the brain was missing there probably was no pain at all, just interesting stem and hind brain reaction. on the other hand, if you merely shot the face off.....
You're as sharp as a whip. Can't get anything over on you, Attila. Your mama didn't raise no fools. No sir.
You saw right through my carefully-crafted ruse to make you think I was a supporter of Rick Santorum, when really it's his namesake I support because I use it in my Satanic rituals. Yes, I throw santorum into the eyes of all the god-fearing teabaggers. Out of the frothy santorum, I create a liberal golem, to spread evil with a thin coat of the slimy substance.
But I would still vote for Santorum in the Michigan primary if I was a resident of Michigan, and I pray to The Great Prince of Lies, my master, Satan, that Santorum should become the Republican nominee. Because, yes, I am "scared to death" of Rick Santorum. That's exactly why I hope he becomes the nominee. It's my insidious Saul Alinsky super-triple jujitsu, wherein I hope that Santorum becomes the nominee because I fear him so. This way, he becomes imprisoned in the White House where he cannot do any harm to my cause instead of becoming a Fox News Pundit (like every other failed GOP candidate) and becomes more powerful than I could have ever dreamed and where he can do REAL damage to my crypto-islamo-marxist agenda.
But now that you have uncovered my filthy plans, you have neutralized me entirely. CURSES, YOU HAVE FOILED ME AGAIN!
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You could eat it from an ethical standpoint, but I don't imagine it'd be of better quality than normal meat, not to mention that meat isn't terribly healthy to begin with. I'd just stick to the vegan diet.
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
Factory farmed meat is bad, not just because it is inhumane, but because it doesn't taste as good, because it comes out of chemical baths, because it is so eco-unfriendly. Total energy and pollution disaster. And you want to put lab meat in your mouth? It's even worse than factory farmed.
Pasture raised livestock can use land that is otherwise unusable for crops. They harvest the grass and other forages that are grown using the power of solar energy directly from the sun. There is a very good reason people pay extra for all naturally raised.
So, you appear to be saying that you would have no problem with Rick Santorum becoming President, you just think that Obama will beat him in the general election? Or are you saying that you prefer Obama as Emperor to any other choice?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
As I understand it there's actually quite a few people out there who have taken massive damage to their brain tissue yet can still function more or less normally. Neuroplasticity is a hell of a thing.
No.. but it does somewhat mention the "japanese method"
http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+36:12&version=KJV
Yummy!
My theory is that many (but far from all) vegans/vegetarians will eat meat once it is lab grown. Lab grown meat will cause much less animal suffering and maybe it can some day even be engineered to reduce it's fat & cholesterol content. Still some will hold out because at some point an animal was killed to get the original samples. Ethical brands will then pop up that certify their animals were not killed, they only had small samples taken using a humane method and then lived out their natural lives well taken care of. Still, a few will hold out because the animals had no choice in the matter. Of course, few animals that we know of can understand plus make that choice and only one could communicate it to us. So.. someday eating lab grown human meat will be commonplace.
that's what Eddie Haskell said
can they make living fleshlights? if it could tense and relax to electric pulses, you'd really have something there. geeks would even give up porn
the hamsters are augmented with 200 lbs. of stem cell meat muscle, and can turn a dynamo from a locomotive
Satire
I'm saying that Rick Santorum would provide an actual choice. He would raise issues that ought to be discussed. I disagree with his opinions and positions almost entirely, but I think the issues he raises are worth hashing out. Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate to manage the decline of the GOP from a standpoint of making sure the Republican Party disappears completely, but Rick Santorum at least makes a heartfelt presentation of a position. He wouldn't carry 10 states, but he is a real person. Everybody sees through Romney, even you. At least Santorum is really what he seems, and that at least shows a bit of honesty. I actually respect Santorum in a way that I could never respect Romney. I'm really OK with people who have strongly held religious beliefs, but I loathe people who pretend to have such beliefs for economic or political or social reasons. They break the hearts of people who really believe.
Santorum won't ever be president. If he runs, the GOP loses. But if Romney runs, it will destroy conservatism for generations, and I believe that having conservative voices is a good thing for our society. I don't want them running the show, but I want them involved. Romney just cheapens the whole political process in a way similar to Clinton and Obama and Bush and Bush and Reagan.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Without meat in our diets for literally thousands of years, our brains would never have been able to reach their present size, intelligence as we know it would be impossible and we'd have never achieved civilisation as we understand it today.
By all means, wail on that 'Meat Is Murder' rhetoric, using your communication skills, intelligence and our collective technological achievements to do so.
We're the top of the food chain for a reason. Morality is a (welcome) indulgence but it has nothing to do with Nature.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
The people that responded to your post are treating you rather badly. Personally I want to thank you. I found the information very ironic. If I had mod points I would mod your post funny. The really sick thing is that I can not put down my own dog without being charged with animal cruelty but I can pay my vet to do it for me, or let my dog go to PETA and they (who care so much for the wellbeing of animals) will kill it.
"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice" -- God
by Peter F Hamilton
Eating synthetic meat is so common place that when the protagonist is surreptitiously fed beef that came from a real live animal he gets violently sick (from disgust) when he finds out. He considers this perverse.
Very good book all round BTW
..or none/nun on Friday
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