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FBI Warns Congress of Terrorist Hacking
An anonymous reader writes "Robert S. Mueller III, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), yesterday warned Congress of terrorist hacking. He believes that while terrorists haven't hacked their way into the U.S. government yet, it's an imminent threat. Mueller said, 'To date, terrorists have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent. Terrorists have shown interest in pursuing hacking skills. And they may seek to train their own recruits or hire outsiders, with an eye toward pursuing cyber attacks.'"
Anonymous is finally getting theirs.
Terrorism is already a funding black hole. This reeks of inter agency rivalry.
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Congressman: How do you suggest we proceed in fighting this threat?
Mueller: We need to shut down all torrent sites and arrest anyone posting copyrighted clips on YouTube.
Congressman: Would my very generous constituents at Sony like to comment?
Sony: We think this is an excellent approach to fighting the muslim horde, Congressman. We'll wire the usual campaign contribution to your super PAC.
Congressman: Well, that settles it then. Would anyone like to offer an opposing view?
EFF: Uh, Senator, we would like to point ou...
Congressman: Well, since there is no opposition, looks like you have your funding Director. Happy hunting.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Would be nice if Congress ordered them to stop it but more likely they will ask for more dirt on their opponents. Discovered or manufactured will be fine with them.
Yet another reason to give up all of our civil rights, privacy, and freedoms in the name of catching these "terrorists"!!!
Plus, over the past ten years, $500B/year on "black" programs to catch "terrorists".
And all because ten years ago 3000 people died (that's an average of 300/year) and two buildings were taken down: tragic, but a very small one compared to the 30,000 people who die every year in automobile crashes in the US - and we don't see $500B/year being spent on that!
Terrorism is just an excuse to usurp our freedoms and enable the government to take control of us. The threat is just not as big as they make it out to be - certainly not big enough to justify the massive reaction to 9/11 and the loss of all of our freedoms and privacy.
Look, I actually have been on counter-terrorism ops back in my Army days.
The problem is the FBI has a tendency to label people who hack music as terrorists, in addition to the Dangerous Killing People terrorists who ARE the real threat.
Giving up your Rights and Freedoms won't make you safer, only less.
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Didn't hackers have complete control of NASA and isnt NASA an agency of the US Gov't?
Always get nervous when reading stuff like this - I'm sure they'll use it an excuse to regulate the Internet for everyone, not just so-called terrorists. Remember: freedom isn't free. Also: war is peace, ignorance is strength, etc.
Nothing is more dangerous than a programmer with a screwdriver.
"We plan on getting some dope to upload a virus that we contracted Palantir to write so we can theatrically take down 'his' operation."
How many dozens of 9/11's happen each year as a result of smoking and alcohol?
Where is the public outrage, political focus and trillions of dollars in ad campaigns and treatment to avert a 9/11 that more or less occurs on schedule every month of every year over the past century?
Stop wasting our money chasing boogymen and use a small fraction of it to help real people...
Hey man looks over there those Afghan poppy fields a plenty....sort of makes one wonder where all that funding for the taliban comes from now doesn't it...if only...oh nevermind...
another false flag event in the making?
Tired of the word "terrorist and/or terrorism.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
anyone with even the most minimal technical ability is a suspect. Watch out Faecesbook friends, they're coming for you!
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I recently purchased some hacking books on amazon out of curiosity, half-realizing that this COULD put me on some watch lists I probably don't want to be on. I wonder whether I'm just being paranoid.... or if we actually got to that point already.
All DNS resolution will be behind a TSA checkpoint.
From the Patriot Act (Enabling Act) to the NDAA (Treachery Act) I think I am noticing too many parallels here. When did the United States of American become the 4th Reich?
If only all ISP added filter to filter the announce prefixes we would have been safe from hijacking prefixes on the Internet today.
However, it turn out that the ISP:s around the world don't give a shit about it.
Terrorist, every prefix is up for grab! Just announce whatever you like and use that when you are going to hack the U.S.
Here is my original thread on NANOG on this. Please remeber that NOBODY REPLIED.
do not filter your customers - part2
The "War on Terrorism" is just a scam, after the cold war they needed a new "plot device" to keep people in line and feed the Military-Industrial complex (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY ) and now they have it, the "Never Ending War on Terror (NEWT)", it can never be won because terrorism is "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. " and that will never ever go away.
If you ever wonder just how stupid people are simple look at the news and what's broadcast to get an idea of the average intelligence of a society.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
now there's a slashdot meme i haven't seen in a while.
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The REAL threat is the terrorist sleeper agents that have infiltrated government itself! They want to destroy society and bring back serfdom! And they seem to be in the majority.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
To date, < Terrorists/Drug Lords/Chinamen/Homeschoolers > have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent. <Terrorists/Drug Lords/Chinamen/Homeschoolers > have shown interest in pursuing hacking skills. And they may seek to train their own recruits or hire outsiders, with an eye toward pursuing cyber attacks.
Just insert your favorite boogeyman in between the angle brackets.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
You know, since the US invests so heavily in education.
Oh wait, that's the Netherlands and Korea.
The price is always right if someone else is paying.
IMMINENT TERRORIST THREAT!
Must be an election year...
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all the government crackdowns on freedom, coupled with raids on freedom fighters like anonymous and wikileaks, means that these threats only serve as pleas for the government to suspend more of our rights. i don't think i'm down with that.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
If terrorists would start hacking instead of blowing up civilians, would it really be that bad?
Don't have any sensitive machines connected to the Internet. Create a completely separate and independent network for government work with all of that tracking / authentication / identification that you want. Problem solved.
You can't hack an FBI server over the Internet if there's no connection to it.
Love sees no species.
The NOAA has alerted congress that air might contain invisible gasses. We cannot underestimate the threat from those gasses which in certain conditions can be accelerated in a way that will cause damage to the US infrastructure.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
that are alllowing the bad guys to get in.
(Maybe even put a few OS and browser vendors in feature timeout until they clean up their act.)
That won't break the Constitution and might actually fix the problem.
The damage terrorists do, even when they have their greatest successes, is as nothing when compared to the damage done by regular for-profit criminals.
Whisky kills more people than terrorism, and we here in the USA have already decided (volstead act, anyone?) that it's really not that big of a deal.
Ignore terrorists. They are useless losers who are less dangerous to you than texting drivers. You are more in danger from wild dogs than you are from terrorists.
Americans have killed more Americans than any terrorists have in the history of the United States. Think about that, Mr. Mueller.
How do we know it's not YOU funding the attacks?
in US within any engine of progress. They could reek pure chaos. I'm down with it, with oversight of course. FBI doesn't eff up that much since J. Edgar departed. DoD got theirs
YA know i hope the usa gets it hard no really i do like all govt websites at once everywhere , ya need to get off that high and mighty stand your on and learn we the people have had enough of the fear and warmongering
GOT IT?
China has all, but advertised their cyber attacks on the US and this is what Mueller is worried about? Get ready for naked scanners for your laptop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701485.html
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Bin-Laden - hacker from hell
If one country's "terrorist" is another country's "freedom fighter", then "super-jurisdiction over anything that touches US soil" and "airline ticket, ID, bend over and drop your pants" are really a form of Western jihad.
Go ahead and disagree; nobody's listening.
those public-sector pigs are kinda stupid
The terrorists are in the Internet!! USA will have to bomb the Internet to prevent the menace!
Cybersecurity is already a lost cause. What could terrorists do that isn't already being done by vandals, hacktivists, spies, and criminals?
We are living the worst case now.
If it's possible for terrorists to take down a national power grid, some non-terrorist loser would already have done it for the lulz.
Terrorists may be poking around, but in the end, they aren't going to be very interested. Why? No visuals. Terrorists want great visuals that will make news and the blogs.
Yes they have. And they have been stealing and selling credit card numbers the whole time.
Provide proof or at least evidence of your claim or else retract it.
Note that big american media and american politicians are a mass collection of devious liars, war-mogers, bullshit artists, death-peddlers, con-artists, snake-oil salesmen and hucksters shilling for megacorporations. So provide real proof from outside of the US wall of ignorance, not just a link to some fucking fox news piece of fiction or some bullshit lie that a persidunt of yours told.
Or is proof just a concept for the unwashed masses non-americans these days?
I don't get why some people think that a terrorist (or vigilante) organisation - any one of them - is on their side. They are not. They often turn against their own members in practice, and at the drop of a hat. They are much more like the mob than the organised, ideologically pure things depicted in movies, and they are filled with psychopaths. They hurt people just because they can, not for freedom, not for 99% equality, not for allah, not for anyone except themselves. Most members think beating people to a pulp, stealing large amounts of money, forcing people to blow themselves up between innocents (yes, most are forced, ie "we'll kill your family if you don't", and then usually the family gets killed anyway, save a few pr examples) or raping women is fun.
Why are people so easily swayed by people who commit violence and it just so happens to suit them that one time ? Every serious organisation, political or not, democrat or republican, religious or not, should realize that violence is their enemy. Other people doing violence on your behalf simply forces governments, every government, to attack your group. This is unfair, sure, but you should realize that tactically, they have no choice in the matter.
Yes some organisations are inherently violent, because that's their ideological purpose. Communists and islam come to mind here, who are inherently about creating a society where violence and fear of a "virtuous" group are the basis of everything. I don't know how this applies to them, but let's just hope these guys destroy themselves, and as many people who believe in them as possible, no ?
Be afraid .... be very afraid... and let us hold your money-sacks!
Or else the earth gets it, you bunch of dumb scared brainless suckers!
In the state of Mass Paranoia, there's one born every nanosecond.
Translation: "We want MOAR budget!!" .
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There is no greater threat to National Security than a hacked terrorist.
Give us more money.
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
" He believes that while terrorists haven't hacked their way into the U.S. government yet,"
I dunno. Based on the way the 3 branches of government act, how can they be sure?
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
They are terrorist because they are a large organization that attack infrastructure, and the use fear as a form of coercion.
Like or not, they fit the very definition of terrorist.
While the broader definition of terrrorize is debated, Anon is center, far away from the gray edges.
ineluctably political in aims and motives violent – or, equally important, threatens violence designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity.
Unfortunately for your opinion, you haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about. Have you seen someone claiming to be a member of Anonymous? Have you ever talked to someone claiming to be a member?
OK, here's the primary piece of information that you either don't know or you don't want others to know: Anonymous is leaderless, unorganized, random and constantly shifting groups. No one is an official member of Anonymous. No one is a leader.
Anyone who wants to pretend that Anonymous is "dangerous" or "terrorist" simply logs into any site that accepts comments and makes the appropriately incendiary anonymous comment and signs it "Anonymous".
That "agent provocateur" is no more (and no less) Anonymous than you or I am. There is no membership. There is no leadership. There is no "agenda". There is no political agreement. If you don't understand those basics, then you do not understand "Anonymous".
At the most basic level, "Anonymous" is any temporary group of people who agree that "something must be done" about some problem, outrage, crime or whatever. They agree to take action and perhaps they carry it out. It may be peaceful, it may be destructive, it may be silly, it may be anything . They are probably not related to other "Anonymous" groups with other concerns.
Your whole screed is based on completely not understanding what "Anonymous" is. So learn. And, until you learn, don't make such stupid remarks.
The digital Pearl Harbour. Only nerds know and talk about this stuff; everyone else thinks you are a crackpot or just a sad little nerd. Yet, give it five years and everyone else will be moaning on Facebook...
It's funny, in a way. For all the talk about the risk of terrorist hacking, it has yet to occur. Yet, year after year, the DHS has reported dismal scores (read C or worse) for just about every part of the Federal Government. Sure, each year there's another report with more goals to meet. But, failing to make the necessary progress, basically relying upon the kindness of terrorists to not attack, seems to border on criminal negligence. If anything, the FBI should focus more on the actual crimes occurring, not on potential and hypothetical ones that may never materialize.
But, yea, let's talk about the terrorist hackers... I mean, it's better to focus on them and use them as an excuse to crack down on all criminals (and plenty of non-criminals) than to, you know, try to crack down on government to actually do its job which would make a lot of it a non-issue. :/
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They're going to attack us with suicide logic bombers!
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Please? I don't want anymore "we're stopping the bad guys, trust us" crap. What I want to see is a detailed list of ACTUAL threats and how they were stopped from 9/11 to the present. If it compromises a current operation then leave it off, but for shit's sake, surely they have closed a few cases in the last decade. I hope so anyway. I get so tired of hearing nothing by rumors and rah-rah shit from the feds. Either the terrorism threat is overblown, or it's real and these guys are stopping bad things from happening. Either way we should know the particulars. Don't know about you, but I'm not entirely comfortable trusting the government to keep me safe.
Your USA is giving money, food, water, munitions, guns, rocket launcher, anti-air missiles,etc to 'rebel' force to 'liberate' other foreign country (iraq, afghannistan, libya, syria, soon iran, then north korea) in the name of 'freedom' when actually the 'rebels' fighting to 'liberate' are actually al-quaeda. WTF are you stupid redneck americans waiting for to liberate your country before we do it for yourself. to 'liberate' your and bomb you guys and make sure to kill as many civilians with plutonium enriched shells to iradiate your country as much possible while streaming everything live on national tv. Then seize your ressources, enslave you in a system where you never win, always have debts made from interest of your money we will tax you. remove all your rights, sterilize you all while slowly poisoning your food and modifying its DNA to make sure you die from weird illness and cancer.
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Let's see, somebody fucked some system that belonged to a well connected entity, stole some financial stuff, and the feds want to make themselves look good and ingratiate themselves with big money! Let's pin it on the putz with the big mouth, the one who gave himself the cool "hacker name", he can't afford a good enough lawyer to beat the rap.
Nerds with carpal-tunnel, not TERRORISTS, the terrorists are the ones creating terror, now who could that be?
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
Wha-hut the #uck is a "full-scale cyber attack"?
/.? Because I like swearing..fun with letters. Now where the fuck did I put my box?
'To date, terrorists have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent.'
Can't estimate their intent? Whose intent? Anit-copyrightists or anti-fuckmeanywayyoucanists? You do have firewalls right? Intrusion detection? All security fixes applied? Critical assets properly protected? Lock and key and all that? STOP the BULLSHIT WARS and FOCUS! Your bureaucratic bitch asses need to walk the fuck back on a lot of fronts. Heaping spoon fools.
Our republic's created and financed bureaucracies need to stop bleeding out our money like insane rabid raccoons stuck with a bullet.
Protect.?.!
How about all you bitches with badges and flag patches start fucking serving? You know who you are. Or are we just that blind? Some might label that a psychological issue and you should entertain checkups.
F.B.I warns congress.. pfft. Congress is just getting their cheeks warmed up and we're going to keep spanking their bitch ass too. Take a number, cunts. How about we start some thinking back inside the box?
Live free or die trying - I fear that I'll be having to try a little bit harder a little bit sooner.
What!? How about a "full-scale" discovery into your founding documents? And feed somebody with my fucking monies or give it back. No more job for you. And you. And you.
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Wave a C note around and congressmen Bedfellow will gladly give you his password.
ooo noo.. the big bad terrorists are back.. everyone quickly box up any freedom you have left and get them ready for shipping to the nearest dumpster. fuck off
Der Supreme Field Marshal Mueller III of US FBI warned the USA Congress not to engage in hacking. Or else.
And you will see the sort of problem we have. Witches hacking or casting spells on our computers is something which will require the full resources of the government to deal with. That means we will use torture.
The suidial fanatic, or the grinning show off that is actively gaming the tax code?
to the rapidly-approaching day when I will enjoy the same safety and security as the citizens of North Korea.
When they target school children with intention to kill them, or when buildings start getting blown up, THEN they can be called terrorist, but until then, they are simply protesters, and THAT is patriotic.
Like any policing system, this is saying "You better give us more money, look at the dire results we are presenting you with!" Ooooooo....
Now: Dad gets diagnosed with prostate cancer five years after retirement. Dad gets cancer treatments covered by the government via Medicare. Which, by the way, is better care for less money than he would get through private insurance.
End of the story: Dad dies 10 years later, leaving a house and what's left of his life savings to you kids.
Before Medicare: Dad gets diagnosed with prostate cancer five years after retirement. Dad and Mom blow their life savings on initial treatments, then mortgage the house to pay for the rest. Then Dad and Mom either have to find jobs years after they've already retired, or move in with one of their kids.
End of the story: Dad dies 10 years later, not only not leaving a house or other inheritance to his children, but actually leaves them in debt as they paid for his medical care.
And that's assuming Dad had savings and equity to pay for his care. If he was poor...well, it was nice knowing you.
Doctor, you ignorant (and elitist) slut. Helping the poor does spur economic activity. The most effective economic stimulus there is, dollar for dollar, is increasing food stamps for the poor. Because they will immediately go out and spend that money - whereas the only thing the rich did with the Bush Tax Cuts was invest them overseas.
Pretty damned well, thank you for asking. Basic social programs are what keeps large portions of the U.S. from turning into a third world country. Of course poverty will always be with us, just as avarice will always be with us, and no one ever pretended otherwise.
I guess you willfully ignored the fact that the vast majority of the fraud was committed by banks? I guess you willfully ignored the bankruptcy "reform" in 2006 that made it much harder to declare bankruptcy? I guess you willfully ignored the fact that there was an explosion of lending after that, as lenders were eager to hand out money to anyone and everyone - because it would be harder to discharge that debt in bankruptcy?
Spare us the elitism.