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FBI Warns Congress of Terrorist Hacking
An anonymous reader writes "Robert S. Mueller III, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), yesterday warned Congress of terrorist hacking. He believes that while terrorists haven't hacked their way into the U.S. government yet, it's an imminent threat. Mueller said, 'To date, terrorists have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent. Terrorists have shown interest in pursuing hacking skills. And they may seek to train their own recruits or hire outsiders, with an eye toward pursuing cyber attacks.'"
Terrorism is already a funding black hole. This reeks of inter agency rivalry.
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Congressman: How do you suggest we proceed in fighting this threat?
Mueller: We need to shut down all torrent sites and arrest anyone posting copyrighted clips on YouTube.
Congressman: Would my very generous constituents at Sony like to comment?
Sony: We think this is an excellent approach to fighting the muslim horde, Congressman. We'll wire the usual campaign contribution to your super PAC.
Congressman: Well, that settles it then. Would anyone like to offer an opposing view?
EFF: Uh, Senator, we would like to point ou...
Congressman: Well, since there is no opposition, looks like you have your funding Director. Happy hunting.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Would be nice if Congress ordered them to stop it but more likely they will ask for more dirt on their opponents. Discovered or manufactured will be fine with them.
Yet another reason to give up all of our civil rights, privacy, and freedoms in the name of catching these "terrorists"!!!
Plus, over the past ten years, $500B/year on "black" programs to catch "terrorists".
And all because ten years ago 3000 people died (that's an average of 300/year) and two buildings were taken down: tragic, but a very small one compared to the 30,000 people who die every year in automobile crashes in the US - and we don't see $500B/year being spent on that!
Terrorism is just an excuse to usurp our freedoms and enable the government to take control of us. The threat is just not as big as they make it out to be - certainly not big enough to justify the massive reaction to 9/11 and the loss of all of our freedoms and privacy.
Look, I actually have been on counter-terrorism ops back in my Army days.
The problem is the FBI has a tendency to label people who hack music as terrorists, in addition to the Dangerous Killing People terrorists who ARE the real threat.
Giving up your Rights and Freedoms won't make you safer, only less.
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Always get nervous when reading stuff like this - I'm sure they'll use it an excuse to regulate the Internet for everyone, not just so-called terrorists. Remember: freedom isn't free. Also: war is peace, ignorance is strength, etc.
Nothing is more dangerous than a programmer with a screwdriver.
No, Congress critters are trying to ruin the internet. Anonymous or not, anyone with a clue could see this coming from a mile away, it was only a matter of time.
Also, Anonymous has been around a while and my internet was never any different until corporations and congress people started fucking with it.
How many dozens of 9/11's happen each year as a result of smoking and alcohol?
Where is the public outrage, political focus and trillions of dollars in ad campaigns and treatment to avert a 9/11 that more or less occurs on schedule every month of every year over the past century?
Stop wasting our money chasing boogymen and use a small fraction of it to help real people...
Hey man looks over there those Afghan poppy fields a plenty....sort of makes one wonder where all that funding for the taliban comes from now doesn't it...if only...oh nevermind...
another false flag event in the making?
Tired of the word "terrorist and/or terrorism.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
anyone with even the most minimal technical ability is a suspect. Watch out Faecesbook friends, they're coming for you!
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I recently purchased some hacking books on amazon out of curiosity, half-realizing that this COULD put me on some watch lists I probably don't want to be on. I wonder whether I'm just being paranoid.... or if we actually got to that point already.
All DNS resolution will be behind a TSA checkpoint.
From the Patriot Act (Enabling Act) to the NDAA (Treachery Act) I think I am noticing too many parallels here. When did the United States of American become the 4th Reich?
If only all ISP added filter to filter the announce prefixes we would have been safe from hijacking prefixes on the Internet today.
However, it turn out that the ISP:s around the world don't give a shit about it.
Terrorist, every prefix is up for grab! Just announce whatever you like and use that when you are going to hack the U.S.
Here is my original thread on NANOG on this. Please remeber that NOBODY REPLIED.
do not filter your customers - part2
now there's a slashdot meme i haven't seen in a while.
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The REAL threat is the terrorist sleeper agents that have infiltrated government itself! They want to destroy society and bring back serfdom! And they seem to be in the majority.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
To date, < Terrorists/Drug Lords/Chinamen/Homeschoolers > have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent. <Terrorists/Drug Lords/Chinamen/Homeschoolers > have shown interest in pursuing hacking skills. And they may seek to train their own recruits or hire outsiders, with an eye toward pursuing cyber attacks.
Just insert your favorite boogeyman in between the angle brackets.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
You know, since the US invests so heavily in education.
Oh wait, that's the Netherlands and Korea.
The price is always right if someone else is paying.
IMMINENT TERRORIST THREAT!
Must be an election year...
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all the government crackdowns on freedom, coupled with raids on freedom fighters like anonymous and wikileaks, means that these threats only serve as pleas for the government to suspend more of our rights. i don't think i'm down with that.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Indeed. They've been talking this up for years now, though the implied "enemy" is usually China. I'm not sure it's news though.
We've had this since 2009:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command
Not to mention the various NSA resources (etc) that have been dealing with this stuff since forever.
If terrorists would start hacking instead of blowing up civilians, would it really be that bad?
Don't have any sensitive machines connected to the Internet. Create a completely separate and independent network for government work with all of that tracking / authentication / identification that you want. Problem solved.
You can't hack an FBI server over the Internet if there's no connection to it.
Love sees no species.
The NOAA has alerted congress that air might contain invisible gasses. We cannot underestimate the threat from those gasses which in certain conditions can be accelerated in a way that will cause damage to the US infrastructure.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
The damage terrorists do, even when they have their greatest successes, is as nothing when compared to the damage done by regular for-profit criminals.
Whisky kills more people than terrorism, and we here in the USA have already decided (volstead act, anyone?) that it's really not that big of a deal.
Ignore terrorists. They are useless losers who are less dangerous to you than texting drivers. You are more in danger from wild dogs than you are from terrorists.
How do we know it's not YOU funding the attacks?
And here i thought that was mostly Russian mob types.
I don't doubt that what you say is true to a point, I still fail to understand why that make them terrorists. And how far does it go, are we going to just keep going down the list of crimes until will get to something like writing your name on the sidewalks wet cement gets you labeled a terrorist.
How about this, we just say everybody's a terrorist and the constitution applies to nobody except those that you personally think it should apply to. how about that.
China has all, but advertised their cyber attacks on the US and this is what Mueller is worried about? Get ready for naked scanners for your laptop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701485.html
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
they're terrorists because they make the FBI look like a bunch of assholes when their internal comms get hacked and leaked.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Bin-Laden - hacker from hell
There are good and bad people inside of ever organization and to always point out the negative side of things is playing right into the PR machine's hands. Have you ever seen a news story about the CP websites they have helped bring down? Of course not.
Read all streams of news even if they are sometimes referred to or labelled as crazy. I would rather be over informed and make my own opinion than under informed and have my opinion made up for me.
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up. - Comedian Mitch Hedberg R.I.P. 03/30/68-2/24/05
Anon. was not on the internet before corporations were.
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Cybersecurity is already a lost cause. What could terrorists do that isn't already being done by vandals, hacktivists, spies, and criminals?
We are living the worst case now.
If it's possible for terrorists to take down a national power grid, some non-terrorist loser would already have done it for the lulz.
Terrorists may be poking around, but in the end, they aren't going to be very interested. Why? No visuals. Terrorists want great visuals that will make news and the blogs.
They are terrorist because they are a large organization that attack infrastructure, and the use fear as a form of coercion.
Wait a minute... You're talking about the USA military and police, right?
Upward mobility is a slippery slope - the higher you climb the more you show your ass.
Why the last requisite? If it weren't for it, most of the powerful governments of the world would fit the bill nicely.
In other words, and more to the point, why do people insist on only calling terrorists to people who have no affiliation with governments? (Unless it's a government that the establishment does not like, such as the Palestinian Authority or Iran). That kind of discourse aims at demonizing unaligned interests while implicitly condoning similarly unsavory actions of powerful states.
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Have you ever seen a news story about the CP websites they have helped bring down? Of course not.
Yes. Gawker, BBC, Ars, PC Mag, etc. covered it.
Watching them chase after cyber-terrorists is a bit like watching Kung Pow (nuts to fist style):
[Chosen One kicks Wimp-Lo in the face. Wimp-Lo does a pose]
Wimp Lo: Ha! Face to foot style, how do you like it?
Chosen One: I'm sure on some planet your style is impressive, but your weak link is: this is Earth.
Wimp Lo: Oh yeah? Then try my nuts to your fist style!
They go about this whole thing the wrong way. But then, it's politics -> Divide & Rule.
I am John Hurt.
I worry less about Anon & friends (a slight annoyance, were I to come under their gaze), than I do about what heavy-handed things the boys in DC might do to 'fix' things.
I am John Hurt.
"We can't keep up, and it looks like they do not like us in the least. They MUST be terrorists. Surely no patriot would hate their own country so much!"
Absolutely ridiculous. You know who else had a special police force that jailed their citizens for disagreeing with them? That's right. The Nazi party.
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
That would be the Russian mob, not Anonymous.
Anonymous => 4channers (typically), pranks, occasional crimes of minor significance.
Russian mob => Botnets, stealing people's financial information, giving IT people the blood eye.
They're two completely different, and unrelated groups.
I am John Hurt.
Translation: "We want MOAR budget!!" .
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"Terrorist" is the new word for "brigand". There is a substantive difference between an armed group with overt, recognized ties to a civilian government (even a former or wannabe government), and an armed group that's on it's own. Governments can negotiate, can form treaties, can surrender, can accept surrender, and can keep their armies in check.
Normal government-initiated violence is an extension of politics. It only happens when the sides in a negotiation can't agree who's stronger, and so neither is willing to give in. Heck, these days economic strength is more important than military strength, and failed negotiations usually end in economic retaliation, not even violence.
Brigands, or terrorists, or whatever you want to call non-state actors, are in it for the violence. There might be a "cause", but there's no (realistic) political aim that can be satisfied to stop the fighting. They can neither surrender nor accept surrender. It's an all-around evil situation, because the violence isn't an extension of politics, and so cannot easily be stopped (for example, it took a generation to wind down the violence associated with the IRA past the point where everyone had realized there was nothing left to fight for).
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Indeed.
On one hand, we have the FBI, who play politics the way dolphins can play Water Polo, carry guns, come from an Authoritarian mindset, and think their jurisdiction is the internet. They also think they can dominate anyone, and are unaware that their actions, even their gentle probings of Anonymous, are escalating things.
On the other hand, we have Anonymous, whose constituents change so rapidly and lack any amount of central structure, than they are more like a cell operation. They believe the internet is anyone's but the would-be usurpers. They also come from a mentality in which they believe they can dominate anyone.
It's like having two Kings trying to rule the same country. Someone is going to die if the FBI keeps escalating things, and over the long run, it won't be the members of Anonymous. The FBI throws a rock, Anonymous throws a boulder; the FBI takes the life of one Anonymous member, three undercover FBI agents are unmasked in the field. And the people will be in the middle of this exchange. The FBI has the backing of the US government, and access to their financial resources. Anonymous has the backing of an unknown number of people from all over the world, and access to those financial resources.
I am John Hurt.
There is no greater threat to National Security than a hacked terrorist.
Give us more money.
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
'Tis easier to just de-elect any Congress member who supports such terrible actions.
Seeing as IT people are in the information trade, and a few photos / video of an incumbent congress member in an indefensible position showing up at an inopportune time might ruin his / her election...you know as well as I do that Congressman what's his name is deeply afraid of someone posting a copy of a furtive meeting.
I am John Hurt.
GP meant to say:
Have you ever seen a mainstream American news story about the CP websites they have helped bring down? Of course not.
For most of us on this side of the pond, the only news about Anonymous from evening news, the NYT, local papers, etc. pretty much don't cover Anonymous unless they take down CBS. As a result, most people who have even heard of Anonymous think that they're only cybercriminals... While some members may be, some aren't.
But I'm open to being wrong. If someone has a link, please share.
Okay, you got me on that. I was just trying to point out that there are good moral people and complete ass hat evil fucks in all organizations. Greed is a powerful thing and it is always around even when you least expect it. It just rubs me the wrong way when someone only points out the negative side of a group or organization when there are arguments going both ways.
Either way, you got me.
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up. - Comedian Mitch Hedberg R.I.P. 03/30/68-2/24/05
I'm calling Godwin's Exception. The Godwin's Corollary only functions when you mean it. You're clearly trying to short circuit the conversation.
" He believes that while terrorists haven't hacked their way into the U.S. government yet,"
I dunno. Based on the way the 3 branches of government act, how can they be sure?
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
It's not splitting hairs to say there's a difference between hating our country and hating our government. I do care deeply for this country but, in fact, despise the assholes and their corporate pimps running the show in Washington - shameless bunch of bastards, to put it nicely - who have completely overlooked, forgotten, ignored, pissed on, what have you, our Constitution. If we got back to a mindset where the Constitution was the supreme law of the land, for all branches of the government, in all circumstances, rather than when it suits our purposes, I'd feel a little better about our government.
They are terrorist because they are a large organization that attack infrastructure, and the use fear as a form of coercion.
Like or not, they fit the very definition of terrorist.
While the broader definition of terrrorize is debated, Anon is center, far away from the gray edges.
ineluctably political in aims and motives violent – or, equally important, threatens violence designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity.
Unfortunately for your opinion, you haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about. Have you seen someone claiming to be a member of Anonymous? Have you ever talked to someone claiming to be a member?
OK, here's the primary piece of information that you either don't know or you don't want others to know: Anonymous is leaderless, unorganized, random and constantly shifting groups. No one is an official member of Anonymous. No one is a leader.
Anyone who wants to pretend that Anonymous is "dangerous" or "terrorist" simply logs into any site that accepts comments and makes the appropriately incendiary anonymous comment and signs it "Anonymous".
That "agent provocateur" is no more (and no less) Anonymous than you or I am. There is no membership. There is no leadership. There is no "agenda". There is no political agreement. If you don't understand those basics, then you do not understand "Anonymous".
At the most basic level, "Anonymous" is any temporary group of people who agree that "something must be done" about some problem, outrage, crime or whatever. They agree to take action and perhaps they carry it out. It may be peaceful, it may be destructive, it may be silly, it may be anything . They are probably not related to other "Anonymous" groups with other concerns.
Your whole screed is based on completely not understanding what "Anonymous" is. So learn. And, until you learn, don't make such stupid remarks.
The digital Pearl Harbour. Only nerds know and talk about this stuff; everyone else thinks you are a crackpot or just a sad little nerd. Yet, give it five years and everyone else will be moaning on Facebook...
Terrorist is the new word for cash cow in budget increases.
Take the Red Pill.
It's funny, in a way. For all the talk about the risk of terrorist hacking, it has yet to occur. Yet, year after year, the DHS has reported dismal scores (read C or worse) for just about every part of the Federal Government. Sure, each year there's another report with more goals to meet. But, failing to make the necessary progress, basically relying upon the kindness of terrorists to not attack, seems to border on criminal negligence. If anything, the FBI should focus more on the actual crimes occurring, not on potential and hypothetical ones that may never materialize.
But, yea, let's talk about the terrorist hackers... I mean, it's better to focus on them and use them as an excuse to crack down on all criminals (and plenty of non-criminals) than to, you know, try to crack down on government to actually do its job which would make a lot of it a non-issue. :/
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They're going to attack us with suicide logic bombers!
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Politicians have been stealing way more money, what are they doing about it?
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I was just trying to point out that there are good moral people and complete ass hat evil fucks in all organizations. Greed is a powerful thing and it is always around even when you least expect it. It just rubs me the wrong way when someone only points out the negative side of a group or organization when there are arguments going both ways.
We're certainly agreed on that. Except maybe national politics. I'm not sure there are any genuinely good people there.
And I wouldn't be surprised to hear the good stuff got less coverage than the more sensational, nasty stuff. It'd certainly be consistent with what I see in the news. So no worries, your point stands, as far as I'm concerned.
Please? I don't want anymore "we're stopping the bad guys, trust us" crap. What I want to see is a detailed list of ACTUAL threats and how they were stopped from 9/11 to the present. If it compromises a current operation then leave it off, but for shit's sake, surely they have closed a few cases in the last decade. I hope so anyway. I get so tired of hearing nothing by rumors and rah-rah shit from the feds. Either the terrorism threat is overblown, or it's real and these guys are stopping bad things from happening. Either way we should know the particulars. Don't know about you, but I'm not entirely comfortable trusting the government to keep me safe.
"Americans have killed more Americans than any terrorists have in the history of the United States."
And that's just a year's worth of medical mistakes.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
The USA is better, since they create a lot of bad debt as part of economic warfare... so they go above and beyond what terrorists are capable of.
Let's see, somebody fucked some system that belonged to a well connected entity, stole some financial stuff, and the feds want to make themselves look good and ingratiate themselves with big money! Let's pin it on the putz with the big mouth, the one who gave himself the cool "hacker name", he can't afford a good enough lawyer to beat the rap.
Nerds with carpal-tunnel, not TERRORISTS, the terrorists are the ones creating terror, now who could that be?
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Wha-hut the #uck is a "full-scale cyber attack"?
/.? Because I like swearing..fun with letters. Now where the fuck did I put my box?
'To date, terrorists have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyber attack, but we cannot underestimate their intent.'
Can't estimate their intent? Whose intent? Anit-copyrightists or anti-fuckmeanywayyoucanists? You do have firewalls right? Intrusion detection? All security fixes applied? Critical assets properly protected? Lock and key and all that? STOP the BULLSHIT WARS and FOCUS! Your bureaucratic bitch asses need to walk the fuck back on a lot of fronts. Heaping spoon fools.
Our republic's created and financed bureaucracies need to stop bleeding out our money like insane rabid raccoons stuck with a bullet.
Protect.?.!
How about all you bitches with badges and flag patches start fucking serving? You know who you are. Or are we just that blind? Some might label that a psychological issue and you should entertain checkups.
F.B.I warns congress.. pfft. Congress is just getting their cheeks warmed up and we're going to keep spanking their bitch ass too. Take a number, cunts. How about we start some thinking back inside the box?
Live free or die trying - I fear that I'll be having to try a little bit harder a little bit sooner.
What!? How about a "full-scale" discovery into your founding documents? And feed somebody with my fucking monies or give it back. No more job for you. And you. And you.
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Wave a C note around and congressmen Bedfellow will gladly give you his password.
Corporations are responsible for paying for the bulk of the Internet infrastructure. How is the US government fucking with it? Besides taking down a very small number of sites that are breaking the law with their actions is hardly proof that the government is hurting the Internet. There are other countries all over the world that block all content to any site that dares to criticise or offend them. The Anonymous group are amateur nuisances at best. Defacing an website or initiating DDOS attacks are idiotic and have accomplished nothing except given the government the ammunition to make more stringent laws and draw attention to those victims who do not administer there sites correctly. The best thing the US government has done is prevent the UN from taking over ICANN and root server services.
And you will see the sort of problem we have. Witches hacking or casting spells on our computers is something which will require the full resources of the government to deal with. That means we will use torture.
The suidial fanatic, or the grinning show off that is actively gaming the tax code?
to the rapidly-approaching day when I will enjoy the same safety and security as the citizens of North Korea.
Like any policing system, this is saying "You better give us more money, look at the dire results we are presenting you with!" Ooooooo....
the FBI takes the life of one Anonymous member, three undercover FBI agents are unmasked in the field
Yeah, all Anonymous have to do is shop anyone who is in Anonymous, likelihood is they'll be a Fed.
I am reminded of GK Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday, where after a lot of fun and games, all the members of an anarchist group turn out to be police spies.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Now: Dad gets diagnosed with prostate cancer five years after retirement. Dad gets cancer treatments covered by the government via Medicare. Which, by the way, is better care for less money than he would get through private insurance.
End of the story: Dad dies 10 years later, leaving a house and what's left of his life savings to you kids.
Before Medicare: Dad gets diagnosed with prostate cancer five years after retirement. Dad and Mom blow their life savings on initial treatments, then mortgage the house to pay for the rest. Then Dad and Mom either have to find jobs years after they've already retired, or move in with one of their kids.
End of the story: Dad dies 10 years later, not only not leaving a house or other inheritance to his children, but actually leaves them in debt as they paid for his medical care.
And that's assuming Dad had savings and equity to pay for his care. If he was poor...well, it was nice knowing you.
Doctor, you ignorant (and elitist) slut. Helping the poor does spur economic activity. The most effective economic stimulus there is, dollar for dollar, is increasing food stamps for the poor. Because they will immediately go out and spend that money - whereas the only thing the rich did with the Bush Tax Cuts was invest them overseas.
Pretty damned well, thank you for asking. Basic social programs are what keeps large portions of the U.S. from turning into a third world country. Of course poverty will always be with us, just as avarice will always be with us, and no one ever pretended otherwise.
I guess you willfully ignored the fact that the vast majority of the fraud was committed by banks? I guess you willfully ignored the bankruptcy "reform" in 2006 that made it much harder to declare bankruptcy? I guess you willfully ignored the fact that there was an explosion of lending after that, as lenders were eager to hand out money to anyone and everyone - because it would be harder to discharge that debt in bankruptcy?
Spare us the elitism.
the FBI keeps escalating things, [...] The FBI throws a rock, Anonymous throws a boulder
Who's escalating again?
next up : Sabu gets to cut a deal and is enlisted Mitnick-style since the only ones capable enough to actually defend seem to be the very same ones they have been criminalizing for just a little bit too long now. The moral of the story? Don't hacktivist when they can use your kids as leverage? Somewhat ... looks like i will be right again that in case of actual cyberwar the very people they're hunting now might be their last and maybe only line of actual defense. But will they still feel like defending the ones who tried to bring them down ?
we'll see ;) qq :p hahah, the irony of it all is funny in a very painful way
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?