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VisiCalc's Dan Bricklin On the Tablet Revolution

snydeq writes "Dan Bricklin, the co-creator of the PC revolution's killer app, weighs in on the opportunities and oversights of the tablet revolution. 'In some sense, for tablets the browser is a killer app. Maps is a killer app to some extent. Being able to share the screen with other people — that it's a social device — also might fit the bill. I think that for tablets, there isn't and won't be one killer app for everyone. It's more that there are apps that are killers for individual people. It's the sum of all those that is the killer app. This has been true since the original Palm Pilot.'"

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  1. killer by pinfall · · Score: 2

    The Palm was the killer app. They sold the company right around the time they killed it.

    1. Re:killer by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Palm didn't have a Killer App, so there wasn't much of a reason for people to really need one.
      Apple iPad doesn't have a killer app... However unlike Palm it is marketed to the consumer market so there isn't much need of a real killer app because it still is a toy. Sure some business like iPad but they are not used more then glorified notepads, and a large screen smartphone. There isn't an App that Everyone needs for business to really cause the tide to turn for Business Tablets.

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    2. Re:killer by spxero · · Score: 2

      I disagree. We are slowly migrating to using iPads (and Android tablets) in the field for many of our users. They still have the ability to use a laptop, but 90% of what they do can be done on an iPad (including printing/scanning). Part of our business involves getting signatures from customers out in the field. Carrying a laptop and signature tablet is more cumbersome than the iPad. They still have laptops, but those are more stationary than anything else these days. I think you are going to see iPads more and more in business, especially for those that hate lugging around a laptop.

    3. Re:killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nice thing about the iPad is that there are killer apps for many different businesses. For them, it's certainly no toy.

      To a guy testing life safety equipment at a customers location, storing the data, closing the job ticket, checking the next one and how to get there, etc... a tablet is far more than a note taking device.

      For the home user, a tablet is the finest web browsing device ever invented. Workstations, laptops, and netbooks are all poor solutions by comparison.

    4. Re:killer by narcc · · Score: 1

      Carrying a laptop and signature tablet is more cumbersome than the iPad.

      That may be true, but unless your iPad has a resistive touchscreen, you're going to find that capturing signatures is an exercise in futility.

      Capacitive touch screens are terrible for writing. They're horribly imprecise -- and, no, those fat-finger styluses don't magically give you more precision.

      I expect that a proper business-oriented tablet will use a resistive touch-screen, hybrid resistive/capacitive (See RIM's patent), or some other technology that improves precision significantly over the current popular offering.

    5. Re:killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From Dan Bricklin: They didn't need "a" killer app. That was my point. For each person, there was ***some*** app that was a killer app for that person. Read my "When the Long Tail Wags the Dog" essay (http://danbricklin.com/tailwagsdog.htm) to understand and see why I brought up Palm.

      Businesses are buying iPads, in large numbers. They even give them to board members preloaded with board meeting material. They use them for email, remote control of desktops, web, and lots more. They use them for sales support and giving presentations one-on-one to customers. Once a good tablet is available that can run their own apps (maybe iPads, maybe Win8pads) and perhaps some more ruggedized ones (for field, factory, and warehouse use) there will be an additional increase in sales. I've spoken to IT buyers for very large corporations. Lots of the users of my app (Note Taker HD -- for ink note taking and PDF markup/signatures) are lawyers and contractors.

    6. Re:killer by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Part of our business involves getting signatures from customers out in the field.

      So what do you do, get them to write their name on a piece of paper then take a photo of it?

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    7. Re:killer by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      For the home user, a tablet is the finest web browsing device ever invented.

      If by web browing you mean "passively absorbing material from sites like You Tube" then you're probably right. They make good portable media players.

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    8. Re:killer by hmar · · Score: 1

      I'm using a samsung galaxy, the 7.5" one, for business. With the RDP and VNC apps, I can do everything remotely that I used to carry a laptop for. Note that I did not say a tablet can replace a laptop for everyone, but in my case it can. We are also testing them, in conjunction with a blue tooth bar code scanner, for inventory control in the plant areas.

  2. Talent. by knuthin · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the guy who gave people a reason to buy a computer says this, it must be true.

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  3. No, its still an expensive toy. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 0, Troll

    Tablets don't deliver novel features. They are the following: slightly less complicated to use for simple applications, and still a novelty. They are pretty much doomed in the middle term.

    There isn't a "killer app" because they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices. Every app a tablet could run, a PC could already run, and the good ones are already invented and quite refined for existing UI paradigms.

    1. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think they will be doomed. Eventually the processor, the display, and everything else will be "good enough" for anything anybody wants to use a tablet for. The the prices will start to come down. Already you can get some seriously overspec'ed tablets for $300. What happens with the iPad 3 level of tablet only costs $300, or even $200. It will end up becoming something that just about everyone has, like a DVD player, or an MP3 player, or a TV. People will just buy them because even something really cheap will be something that accomplishes quite a bit.

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    2. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 0

      Tablets don't deliver novel features. They are the following: slightly less complicated to use for simple applications, and still a novelty. They are pretty much doomed in the middle term.

      There isn't a "killer app" because they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices. Every app a tablet could run, a PC could already run, and the good ones are already invented and quite refined for existing UI paradigms.

      Came here to say this.

    3. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Eventually the processor, the display, and everything else will be "good enough" for anything anybody wants to use a tablet for.

      You're forgetting input devices and UI. Go ahead, try and write a thesis on your iPad. You'll see why PCs will always be superior pretty quickly.

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    4. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices.

      That is exactly why they are NOT doomed. Most people do not want, and never wanted, a "multipurpose computing device". Most people wanted a limited, easy to use, safe content consumption device. That's what a tablet gives them.

      Make no mistake: tablets will take over as the world's primary computing device. If you do not see this, you do not understand human nature.

    5. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eventually the processor, the display, and everything else will be "good enough" for anything anybody wants to use a tablet for.

      Some of the things I use computers the most for are writing books, software development and darkroom work.

      I like to do these things when travelling too, but I can't see how a tablet would be well suited for either. Even with an external keyboard and mouse (and then, why not use a laptop?), the screen is just too small, if it's still going to be usable as a tablet.

      Add that touch screens are not well suited to any kind of prolonged activity, no matter what it is. Remember the gorilla arm syndrome, and why tablet PCs failed the first two times they were introduced.

    6. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting input devices

      What, did all the world's manufacturers suddenly stop making bluetooth keyboards and mice?

      You're missing the point. You can connect all the peripherals you want, when you want them. When you don't, you can carry the device around without them.

      That seems to be the model people want. Tablet sales are increasing dramatically year over year, while PC sales have stagnated. It's widely expected that tablets will outsell PCs within a decade.

    7. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I won't write my thesis on an iPad (although along with a wireless keyboard it has more memory, a better screen, better performance and more storage than the Otrona Attache that I did write my thesis on - ah, Wordstar....) but I would use it to look up patient med lists, vital signs and the like.

      The electronic clipboard is really here. Don't underestimate clipboards.

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    8. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by aynoknman · · Score: 1

      Eventually the processor, the display, and everything else will be "good enough" for anything anybody wants to use a tablet for.

      ...

      Even with an external keyboard and mouse (and then, why not use a laptop?), the screen is just too small, if it's still going to be usable as a tablet.

      Add that touch screens are not well suited to any kind of prolonged activity, no matter what it is. Remember the gorilla arm syndrome, and why tablet PCs failed the first two times they were introduced.

      To paraphrase -- The killer app for the tablet will be an air keyboard.

      The air keyboard will probably still be QWERTY still predominate. Input technologies are zombies.

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    9. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the new iPad screen is likely bigger than your home monitor? 2048x1536 is a lot of room...it's more space than any laptop currently on the market. And if the complaint is the physical size then send the display to an external monitor or TV.

    10. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      The World Wide Web browser was the killer app that turned PCs from being novelties for geeks into something everyone wanted to have. "I don't know what the 'web' is, but I want to check it out." - common people.

      I fully expect the same for the tablet, though I doubt it will ever be as popular as the Web on the cellphone which is nice and compact, plus always on your person. Tablets might find a niche for students taking notes, but I doubt it (it's easier to just use pen and paper especially for writing formulas).

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    11. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I believe GP was referring to actual physical real estate. 2048x1536 is kind of useless on a 10" screen.

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    12. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by damnbunni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A tablet is not suited to those things. However, those things are not what the vast majority of people use computers for.

      Tablets are just fine for checking your Facebook, watching YouTube and Netflix, sending emails, and playing the sorts of games most people play.

      I know a few people who have ditched their home internet and just have an iPad and a 3G wifi hotspot. It's all the computer they need, and it carries easily. Heck, it fits in a good-sized purse.

    13. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      Thats where connecting it to an external monitor or TV comes in...it works wired or wireless. The point is there is plenty of room to get stuff done...especially if your comparing it to a netbook.

    14. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thesis

      Niche. For something that's not of a reasonable length for an average person, get an app for such (pages, google docs, etc) and a physical keyboard. Reality is that tablets can do 80% of what a pc can do. "Superior" is relative. For a thesis, or cherry picking other specific and exceedingly large writing projects that affect a small minority of people, a pc will be better almost every time for obvious reasons. But for something an average person may write on any given day, trade offs can make the tablet superior.

    15. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      To paraphrase -- The killer app for the tablet will be an air keyboard.

      Only if you mean "killer app" as in one that will kill the popularity of tablets. Otherwise it's exactly the opposite of what I meant.

      You want to rest your hands while performing input for long periods, and get tactile feedback from a keyboard. Neither is possible with an air keyboard, and you get both gorilla arm syndrome plus an uncertainty in typing.

    16. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I still don't understand why no one has done a thin client tablet, with the real horsepower being a server, or even just server software, sitting on your home network somewhere. Most everyone has a desktop or laptop with multiple times more computing power than a tablet. Use wireless N to get the speeds you need for input and display and you could have 10 tablets for $50 each running off a single PC shoved in a closet somewhere. Yeah, no portability, but portability isn't the be all end all for many users.

    17. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      When voice recognition gets a little better writing a thesis or book might actually work ok on a tab. Now CAD/CAM will be a little tougher.

    18. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Tablets don't deliver novel features.

      To a certain extent, the form factor is more novel than the features.

      Personally, I find it more comfortable to browse google maps when I can scroll and zoom with my fingers and be sitting in a comfy chair. Same goes for reading web pages. Hell, I once used mine to review a 1000 page PDF document for a proposal our company was working on -- and I did it in a lawnchair in the backyard for some of the time.

      Being able to watch a movie on a plane is far easier with a tablet than a laptop -- I know this because my boss and I were on the same flight a few months ago, and when the guy in front of him reclined, there wasn't enough room to keep his laptop fully open. On the next trip, he'd gotten himself an iPad and is loving it.

      Unless you think the smart phone is also a novelty because you can do the same and more with a PC, I fail to see why the tablet is any different. It's a scaled up version of the same thing. I don't want a smart phone because I already have a tablet, and I'm not that interested in one. I know people who already had smart phones who don't want a tablet for pretty much the same reason.

      I can lie down on my sofa to play games, read an ebook in bed, surf the web from my lazy boy or my lawn chair. I can also get quick wireless in most airports and when I visit family. So, for just a quick email to the wife while I'm traveling or even checking my company email, it's very convenient.

      I didn't buy it to do 'work' on; I've got a desktop and a laptop for that -- it's mostly an entertainment device, and most people buying them know that. If you don't expect it to do the same things as your PC, you don't really feel it's missing something. I find I use mine entirely differently than I would my desktop.

      I predict you'll be proven wrong about the long-term viability of the form factor, because most of the people I know have some form of tablet (HP, Apple, Android ... you name it), and all of them get a lot of usage out of them.

      I travelled for business about 9-10 times over the last 14 months -- every time I had both my iPad and my laptop, and in all cases I only ever used the iPad. Mostly because the iPad is much more portable, has way better battery life than my laptop, and lets me get to the things I need much more quickly (since it takes about 5 seconds to turn it on and connect to wi-fi).

      Slashdot is a horrible representative sample for this kind of thing ... because most of us are looking to do much more exotic things than most consumers. But most people, most of the time, are much more passively consuming stuff and just noodling about on the web. For that, a tablet is a really good choice.

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    19. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless a tablet can batch render to the same degree as my 128,000 node cluster I built in the basement, it's totally useless and of no use to anyone, anywhere, at anytime, EVER!

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    20. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kinda view them as a smartphone, only more cumbersome.

    21. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      I use RDP on my ipad on a daily basis... It is a little rough with 1024x768, but usable for the basic needs. I can set up a term app and do whatever I want in *nix with a physical keyboard.

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    22. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Gilmoure · · Score: 3, Informative

      VMWare View, RDP Lite, and iSSH apps lets you handle a real machines through a tablet but then that's just remote computing. There's also an iPad app that lets you use your iPad as an additional screen of a desktop system. I'm not sure I've seen anything that will let you work with local files on a tablet but do the crunching on a desktop system.

      What I'd like to see is a tablet dock that includes GPU's, external monitors, full range of peripherals, and storage, but is still based on the tablet OS; not just sync'ing. That'd be cool.

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    23. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      What you're missing is that a tablet is, by and large, an appliance. It has few user-serviceable parts, and its app ecosystem is intentionally locked down to make it hard for people to stray outside the lines of safe computing. This isn't true for any PC.

      The reason this matters is that the average person is not that great at safely using a PC. Not everybody is a sysadmin; not everybody knows how to check the checksums of a downloaded piece of software against a known source of checksum info to determine if the app is a legitimate copy, read reviews of the app on various trusted download sites to make sure it isn't spyware, and so on. And a lot of people who do know how still don't want to have to bother with it. For folks in either category, the limited app ecosystem means that they don't have to worry about viruses, spyware (for the most part), or any of the other nasties that accompany the more flexible full-blown PC.

      For people like you and me, tablets can be somewhat limiting. For the vast majority of my friends who don't work for a major computer company (and even a lot of the folks who do), tablets are a godsend. They free the user from having to think about the computer itself so that they can focus on getting the job done. Up until they need to do something that the tablet can't do (whether because the software doesn't exist or the OS doesn't allow it), the locked-down tablet will always be preferred to the PC simply because it doesn't break as often. More importantly, outside of niche markets, the majority of computer users never run into significant things that the tablet can't do.

      And this is why in 2011, at 40.7 million units according to ComputerWorld, sales of a single tablet—the iPad—were almost 12% as big as the entire computer market by themselves, and growing. Turns out that the killer app is not being able to get killed by a killer app.

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    24. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Of course I understood human nature; I'm smarter than 99% of humanity and what I want is obviously what everyone else needs as well. 'Cause I is smart.

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    25. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by BoberFett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For mobile computing the form factor just isn't there at a 10" screen. If I'm out and about, I'll be using my phone. The screen is small, but it's portable. If I'm at home want to get something done, I'm going to set my phone on the desk and link it wirelessly to a 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse.

      The recent Ubuntu on Android demo is where I see things going. You bring your computer with you everywhere you go and use the touchscreen for convenience or use whatever input and output devices are around when you need more capability and a real OS.

    26. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Go ahead, try and write a thesis on your iPad.

      There's an app for that (at least if you're in math).

      http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tex-touch/id377627321?mt=8

    27. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by PhillC · · Score: 3, Informative

      I need to preface my comments with the face that I only have an Asus Transformer Android tablet. I don't have an iPad and haven't used one, therefore the following comment may be incorrect.

      The problem with using my tablet for any serious content creation, like writing a thesis, is that the applications provided are, in my opinion, shit. My Asus Transformer has the keyboard and I use a bluetooth mouse. However, trying to use something like Documents to Go is a total pain in the ring. The spreadsheet side of things isn't any better than the word processer. Tried using the Google Docs App on an Android tablet? Also shit.

      And browsers, which are meant for consuming content, also largely shit. I have Dolphin, Opera and Firefox Beta all installed. I have to use all three at different times to effectively load various sites. Then they will frequently crash, which is shit. They're also slow when compared to my desktop browser.

      I use a product called Hootsuite to manage multiple social network presences, for work. In a browser this is a brilliant service. The App on Android is shit.

      The best thing about my Android browser is the default mail client and its ability to connect to an Exchange server, which I am yet to master with Thunderbird. Skype also works better than Skype for Linux.

      Overall, my tablet experience has been pretty poor, and I'm not convinced by the whole App mindset. My Transformer gathers dust most of the time, and may end up on eBay soon.

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    28. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      So most likely you'll have a tablet in conjunction with a desktop or laptop. Or maybe you'll have all three. What I wrote does not mean that people will stop buying PCs or laptops, but simply that eventually tablets will be good and cheap enough that a very large percentage of the population will have them. People didn't stop buying consoles when the home computer became cheap enough, and they didn't stop buying desktops when laptops became cheap enough. Many people just own all these devices. Tablets will eventually fall into this too.

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    29. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      Thats where connecting it to an external monitor or TV comes in...it works wired or wireless.

      Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a tablet? Why not just use a desktop?

    30. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 2

      The assumption that tablets will outsell PCs within a decade is based on current growth rates remaining steady. That's a pretty big assumption.

      Because tablets are a relatively new device they are currently in a growth market phase of their life cycle. Once the market has reached a saturation point (and we don't know where that saturation point is), then it will enter the same type of market that PCs are in: where people are buying replacements when their old one wears out.

      Of course you might be right in that all you have to do with a tablet is hook it up to a keyboard and mouse (whether bluetooth or something else) and you've got a useful, but if that's the case why not just hook up your phone to a bluetooth keyboard, mouse and display and have something even more portable?

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    31. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Thesis writing is a fair example of doing real work on a PC. You might be correct in that doing real work with a PC is a niche. But that doesn't help anyone argue that tablets are anything but toys.

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    32. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 1

      Actually, I would think that CAD/CAM would be a perfect use case for a touch screen. The iPad might be a little small for most people (although I know a kitchen designer who uses an iPad) but for really industrial uses how about a Microsoft Surface?

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    33. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're missing the point. You can connect all the peripherals you want, when you want them

      But you're still hobbled by a toy UI. Real work requires crossreferencing data, literature, documentation, and your own notes. This isn't feasible on a tablet.

      That seems to be the model people want.

      I'm not surprised that people want tablets. They're toys. People like toys.

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    34. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      Why use a tablet at all in such a case? I guess if you had ten users your setup might make sense, butwhy not just use desktops?

      Yeah, no portability, but portability isn't the be all end all for many users.

      Then why use tablets?

    35. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      You could write a thesis on a an iPad, you just need a bluetooth keyboard.

      I have written research posts for an online university course (taking a masters degree) using the on-screen keypad. Granted, it took MUCH longer than it would have on my desktop with dual 24" LCD displays. It took about 3x as long as it would have on my laptop, but the form factor allowed me to work while my mother was shopping for shoes (my parents were visiting from Canada and she wanted to do some shopping). Plus, the battery lasted well beyond the 4 hour limit of my laptop. The point is that if your thesis concerns any sort of field work or if you need to get work done while traveling, it may be the best alternative for the situation.

      I do agree, however, that the current word processing options for the iPad doe not offer any advanced formatting options, you're pretty much stuck with the basics.

    36. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      Tablets might find a niche for students taking notes, but I doubt it (it's easier to just use pen and paper especially for writing formulas).

      For me, this is the killer app. For more than 30 years, I've organized my life in a little three-ring binder filled with 8.5 x 5.5" paper. Addresses, phone numbers, to-do lists, how-tos for things I do infrequently, key paragraphs for papers that struck me while I was sitting in the park waiting for a kid, and voluminous (in total) notes including formulas, sketches of graphs, line-and-box drawings. Notes from the doctors office. I'd really like to replace it with a tablet, since the tablet can also do other things. But I've got to have good digital paper, which implies really high-res touch (for my crabbed little handwriting) and a stylus.

      The Microsoft Courier with its two displays had a lot of potential. I had visions of taking notes in the right-hand pane, and flipping pages by "pushing" the current page over to the more passive left-hand pane in order to get a fresh sheet of paper while still providing access to the previous page(s).

      I'm getting old enough to begin to wonder if I'll ever be able to buy what I want.

    37. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      Oops, it appears that one needs an external program to complie the source files.

    38. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 1
      I'm very certain that will be the way of things eventually. Once bluetooth (or replacement) is reliable and fast enough, and small form-factor computing is powerful enough, we'll decouple I/O hardware from the computing hardware. Granted, this is all about the consumer computing market, which I and many others on Slashdot are in different computing demographics. I'll have a full workstation at home as long as I have real computing needs, but computing needs for most people are currently flatlining.

      So as I see the future, the standard tech consumer will have:
      • portable computing device, probably stored in a wallet/purse
      • bluetooth handset and/or headset for verbal communication
      • portable screen connecting over bluetooth (or whatever wireless format enables this)
      • larger screen at home (TV?) that either connects wirelessly or allows the computing device to dock
      • other bluetooth I/O devices:
      • keyboard/keyboard replacement (decouple my hands from the same device dammit!)
      • sensors that will replace mice (kinect-like functionality)
      • sensors for monitoring things (the post-tablet "killer apps")
    39. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 1

      Most people are not doing real work on computers. Most people let computers and the few of us that run them do that kind of work. For most people, computers provide information, entertainment, and communication. Order will vary.

    40. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There isn't a "killer app" because they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices. Every app a tablet could run, a PC could already run, and the good ones are already invented and quite refined for existing UI paradigms.

      The reason Apple is selling gads of iPads is that they address a question you don't quite understand. The question is: Does a tablet replace a PC (desktop or laptop). For you the answer is no because you have all sorts of uses that requires a PC. For people who don't use a PC other than surfing, email, and FaceBook, the answer is yes. For those people, they might want a new UI as keyboard and mouse is more difficult to use if you are not sitting down.

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    41. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are the following: slightly less complicated to use for simple applications

      For the 99% of the population that are not Slashdot readers, this is a huge, huge deal.

      the good ones are already invented and quite refined for existing UI paradigms.

      Spoken like a true Slashdotter.

      Face it, today is 1978, you're the mainframe operator looking at the 8-bit, single-tasking, single-user plastic box with 8K of RAM and a Panasonic cassette recorder for storage and you're thinking, "there is absolutely no future for this limited device. Real business computing requires real computing power."

    42. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Your comment about "novel features" is precisely the problem with keeping the inventive momentum going that Bricklin mentions.

      The odds of the next "killer app" of any kind coming from people like you or me who have preconceived notions of what a "computer" is and how it gets used are slim to none. It's not that we aren't creative enough, but that our thinking is marred by too much baggage about what should be done. We already have this mental list of "rules" about what good UI design is, what people want to use computers for, and so on.

      Recently there was a fellow talking about his iPad who brought up the point that he could stream the media to a PC, an Apple TV, or other devices, depending on where he was, without losing his place in a movie. This isn't an earth-shattering "killer app" like Visicalc was, but it's something I would never have thought of pointing out as a benefit. Not because it isn't a benefit, but because I would never have even tried to do it -- I would have just finished watching the movie on the tablet that I used to start watching it on a commuter train.

      As I've thought about them for the past year or two, and worked on my own tools and technology, I've come up with a couple ideas that I'm keeping to myself. Will they be innovative? Yes. Will they result in "killer apps"? Probably not.

      But my ideas might result in some killer pipe glue that changes the way we connect applications to each other in a world of globalized clusters forming logical clouds. Not because it's never been done before, but because it's never been easy before.

      --
      I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    43. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by mhajicek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking as a professional CNC programmer, I'd say the touch screen interface is lacking for the application. Most CNC programmers I know, myself included, use two of the largest screens they can get their hands on to maximize screen real estate. There's an awful lot of data that you have to get from the computer to your head. We also tend to use Space Pilots and the like for view control, and high end trackballs (or mice for some) for fast but precise selection (no, not that line, I meant this one!) I also prefer to set a bunch of hotkeys and use keyboard access to menu commands because then I can keep my mouse pointer close to the geometry I'm selecting, which makes it much faster. I can then get rid of most of the toolbars and free up more screen area. I think trying to do CAM on a pad would be an exercise in frustration.

    44. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by MarsCtrl · · Score: 0

      Let me explain why VisiCalc will never succeed:

      PCs don't deliver novel features. They are the following: slightly less complicated to use for simple applications, and still a novelty. They are pretty much doomed in the middle term.

      There isn't a "killer app" because they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices. Every app a PC could run, a minicomputer could already run, and the good ones are already invented and quite refined for existing UI paradigms.

      It's never been about "novel features"; it's about bringing computer technology to places it wasn't previously available, whether you're talking about mainframes, minicomputers, or mobile computing.

      --

      I was going to put a sig here, but I had already submitted the message.
    45. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is right on the money. As soon as it's an 'inexpensive' toy, in other words when I can accidentally drop it, or give it to the kids because it's scratched up now and a new one is only a couple hundred dollars they will proliferate. Currently I can purchase a much more functional laptop for the cost of some of these tablets, not exactly something I'm going to accidentally drop and not have a kitten over doing it.

    46. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the Otrona. I actually worked a few trade shows selling those.

    47. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The first people I know that had iPads were businessmen. Reading and typing emails and basic shared documents is definitely easier than using a non-portable pc, since most businessmen are in meetings, not sitting at their desk. I'm not quite sure why the base line is that tablets are "just a toy". As if toys are inferior, or that every computing improvement begins life as a toy.

    48. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 1

      Typing on a keyboard is not how hands, arms, or shoulders rest. A keyboard replacement will decouple my hands so that they can be at rest, which is at my sides. And yes, we need feedback, but tactile feedback is not necessary. My new smartphone uses audible feedback, which has worked very well.

    49. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People seem to think that tablets will replace everything are just not understanding the rest of us. They totally suck as data entry. How long would it have taken you to enter what you just wrote on a real keyboard vs on a flat glass screen? The other thing they suck at is screen control. My big finger is in the way of what I want to see because I am clicking on it and the click on something else because my finger is too big.

      Those are serious interface issues. Basically they work really good at showing things. They work rather badly when you have to interact with those same things. This is not going away either. I can not tell you the number of times I have mistyped a phone number... That rarely happened on my old phone now it is every day.

    50. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 2

      I can't pick up my desktop and use it on the train to work. Decoupling isn't just for code.

    51. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      The idea would be to have 1 powerful server that would serve multiple users. One box to maintain, upgrade, and update. One box to store you files, one box to install programs on. Think of it like a mini-cloud. Obviously the average home doesn't have 10 users, but the average classroom, library, place of business does (and yes, I think tablets can have a role to play in a business setting, used along side PCs and laptops).

    52. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are pretty much doomed in the middle term.

      Thank god the gnome3 and unity developers want to push every linux computer deep into this medocrity. Oh we're all saved by having an inferior interface experience.

      P.S. According to the gnome 3 developers, if you disagree, you're simply not intelligent enough to appreciate the medoctrity they insist on thrusting into your face.

    53. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      But you can pick up your external monitor and use it on the train to wotk?

    54. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      Remember ... why tablet PCs failed the first two times they were introduced.

      Because Microsoft tried to cram a desktop interface on a tablet. Now they're trying to cram a tablet interface on the desktop, which will likely blow up on their faces just the same.

    55. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      If the machine is powerful enough to serve ten users, will it be easy enough to deploy in such a setting?

    56. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by marnues · · Score: 1

      mod_parent++;

    57. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by flargleblarg · · Score: 0

      You evidently don't understand tablets. Multitouch is a huge leap forward in user interaction for many types of things. The tablet isn't a novelty and will never go away.

    58. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new kindles run half the browser on amazon's cloud, driving down the kindle's price as you mention.

      My Toshiba Thrive came with a copy of logmein ingnition, allowing me to do as you mention.

      I think right now most companies are aiming for a future where people don't do anything complicated like pairing up their computer with their tablets or configuring open ports on a router, and might not even buy a computer once their current one dies so all they have is tablets, so research in this direction is zero. Take all into The Cloud, not the home.

      And then, in a couple years, Appleis going to come out with an airport router that pairs up with you iPad automatically, opens outside ports as needed, provides storage and hooks up to your big screen TV and keyboard allowing streaming, local content, more CPU power, hooks up to your landline allowing you to pick up the phone on your iphone, prize it to call over wifi Utomatically, even rerouting active calls to your cell when you leave, etc. and everyone is going to kick themselves for not thinking of it first.

    59. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tgibbs · · Score: 2

      On my iPad, I have a database with my entire reference library available for download and viewing. I also have note-taking applications. And a perfectly functional word processor that works fine with a bluetooth keyboard.

    60. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Touch screens do not necessarily suffer from holding your arm out. You hold them in your hands (like a touch-operated phone), or rest your hands next to and on them (like a trackpad or trackpoint). You just move one or more fingers to do things -- if the app is designed that way, putting controls near where your fingers would sit.

      I wonder how many people commenting have actually spent hours and hours with an iPad (as opposed to other tablets or non at all).

      -Dan Bricklin

    61. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      A spreadsheet on a 10" screen is simply impossible to use.

      We use a notebook with a 17" screen in the field because we have to be able to read what's on the freaking screen and enter data into those tiny cells. A tablet just wouldn't work.

    62. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I still don't understand why no one has done a thin client tablet, with the real horsepower being a server, or even just server software, sitting on your home network somewhere. Most everyone has a desktop or laptop with multiple times more computing power than a tablet. Use wireless N to get the speeds you need for input and display and you could have 10 tablets for $50 each running off a single PC shoved in a closet somewhere. Yeah, no portability, but portability isn't the be all end all for many users.

      Because thin clients suck and you're never going to get the case, screen, ram, and even minimal hardware to run a thin client for $50 less than the full tablet let alone total. Add in that the case you propose, use in a limited manner around a computer with wireless is such a limited feature that you'd never sell enough to get economy of manufacturing. Maybe if wireless were ubiquitous in all situations, but it's not, and probably never will be if you are talking about free open wireless. Still, it all goes back to that for the price of a thin client, you can usually have the real thing that doesn't stop working if you lose your single point of failure at the server (at the long line of other single points of failure such as the wireless).

      Of course, I'm biased because I've been hearing about thin clients for the last 15 years and why they should replace PCs, and each case I've seen implimented has been a complete failure where PCs would have worked better and cheaper.

    63. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      I have an iPod Touch but not an iPad. Although overall I'm satisfied with the device,I have some of the same experiences.

      -Word processing and spreadsheet apps are poor, especially at the free pricepoint. I'm not looking for MS Office 2010 capability. I'd be satisfied with '97
      -I haven't had a web browser crash this much in the past 10 years.
      -Skype is bad. It's bad on Windows, it's bad on iOS. Frequent crashes, poor performance.
      -More and more I'm suffering random unexplained bog-downs. Though the UI isn't giving feedback, it is registering my keypresses, so it will after stalling for a while catch up to what I'm typing.

    64. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Transformer is better than the iPad. It's better. Better!

      Until you actually use the two of them, that is.

    65. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by darrylo · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting input devices and UI. Go ahead, try and write a thesis on your iPad. You'll see why PCs will always be superior pretty quickly.

      You're missing the overall point (which, admittedly, wasn't very well made): a tablet fulfills (or will fulfill) the needs of the majority of people. To go into more detail:

      1. A "majority" is not "all". No sane person is saying that a tablet will, in the next few years, fulfill the needs of everyone. However, as most people just consume media and data (web browsing, email, IM/messaging, etc.), a tablet works just fine.

      2. No, a "majority" really is not "all". Not everyone simply "consumes media and data", and a tablet won't work for them. Examples include people who do significant software development, people who analyze data (spreadsheets), and people who heavy-duty number-crunching simulations of varying types. There are many other examples. Of course, a tablet won't work for them. (I suppose I should include hardcore 3D games, too, as the keyboard/gaming keypad/mouse input combo is still a much superior UI. :-)

      3. While there are many examples for which a tablet isn't good, your thesis example isn't very good. As other people have pointed out, there is such a thing as a bluetooth keyboard, and a tablet & keyboard will work just fine for a thesis that doesn't have a lot of pictures, plots, and diagrams.

      4. No, the PC isn't going away, but it's long-term marketshare is going to fall into the toilet. Like the horse carriage, blacksmith, and buggy whip when the automobile came out, the long-term outlook for PCs isn't good. (And, just for emphasis, let me point out that horse carriages, blacksmiths, and buggy whips are still made today -- just not in the numbers of yesteryear.)

      5. Don't ignore the potential of "AI". For example, today, Siri is like a 1-year-old baby. Wait until it grows up.

    66. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      The problem with using my tablet for any serious content creation, like writing a thesis, is that the applications provided are, in my opinion, shit.

      And this is where MS is hoping to win with Windows 8. Word on a tablet... or well any other decent PC creation app.

    67. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And yes, we need feedback, but tactile feedback is not necessary. My new smartphone uses audible feedback, which has worked very well.

      It works very well when tapping one key after another.
      When doing touch typing, it's not useful because your brain won't know which key the feedback was for. With tactile feedback, this is not a problem.
      Also, when writing 50-80 wpm (the average for touch typists), it's just going to be cacophony, and no more useful than the sound of hammer/ball/disc strikes were on electrical typewriters. IBM, Honeywell, Remington and others made sure there was tactile feedback for the keys, because audible feedback just wouldn't do.

    68. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Every app a tablet could run, a PC could already run

      Yeah, but Angry Birds is shit on a PC.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    69. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Eventually the processor, the display, and everything else will be "good enough" for anything anybody wants to use a tablet for.

      You're forgetting input devices and UI. Go ahead, try and write a thesis on your iPad. You'll see why PCs will always be superior pretty quickly.

      While I agree with you in general, the percentage of people who write theses on their PCs must be vanishingly small compared to the number of people who just watch videos of babies and dogs.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    70. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      For mobile computing the form factor just isn't there at a 10" screen. If I'm out and about, I'll be using my phone. The screen is small, but it's portable. If I'm at home want to get something done, I'm going to set my phone on the desk and link it wirelessly to a 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse.

      So what you're saying is that a phone or tablet is as good as a desktop PC, provided you add the peripherals to turn it into, well, a desktop PC?

      That's pretty much like saying that my portable mp3 player is as good as an expensive hi-fi system, so long as I hook it up to an expensive hi-fi amplifier and speakers.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    71. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't see how even in theory you could make a decent spreadsheet app for something with the screen size of an iPod Touch.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    72. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      but the form factor allowed me to work while my mother was shopping for shoes

      You fail both as a scholar, and a son.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    73. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If MP3s can replace quality sound systems, there's no reason an ipad won't replace TV. Which is all anybody needs it for anyway. The ultimate reality show; your own friends telling you about what they're doing Right Now! No need to get all atwitter (get it?) over how things are going to work out for Ross and Rachel when you can get the blow by blow (get it?) about how things are going between Jen and Frank.

    74. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some software out there that uses the ipad as merely a terminal for a virtual Windows session. The Internet connectivity of the virtual Windows servers is something absurd like 10 gigahertz or some such, and of course even 3G is plenty fast just for screen updates, so it's blazingly quick, say all the rave reviews. To think all we needed since Multics came along was a really quick modem.

    75. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I'm saying. Your MP3 player IS as a good as an expensive hi-fi if you hook it up to an expensive hi-fi. What good does that hi-fi do if you don't have your music to play it through? Data is the true value of computing.

      A good touch OS and a good desktop OS are completely different. Use the right tool for the right job. On a small screen you sacrifice usability for portability. But why have totally separate environments and have to maintain two sets of data? Just take your desktop computer everywhere you go, because it will have a small screen attached to it should you need to use it on the go, but when you're somewhere that has desktop input and output devices available, hook your computer up to that and use a true desktop environment.

    76. Re:No, its still an expensive toy. by hmar · · Score: 1

      For the vast majority of people, as far as I can tell, PCs are used as toys. Gaming has always been a major driver in the market. Outside of the IT sector, I don't know anyone that does anything on a home computer that can't be done on a tablet. Work computers are a different story, but to dismiss the tablet as a toy is the same mindset that missed the boat on personal computers and the internet

  4. Re:First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh bitter, bitter ironies...

    #39365465 - timestamped 1 minute earlier

  5. New killer app for Bricklin... by CaptainLard · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm writing a new app that will revolutionize Dan Bricklin's life. It will randomly insert the word "killer" into every sentence he writes, thus cutting his workload in half!

    1. Re:New killer app for Bricklin... by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 1

      Offer a Markov chain text gen on that shit and I'll pay $1 for the app as well

    2. Re:New killer app for Bricklin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm writing a new app that will revolutionize killer Dan Bricklin's life.

      Bug Report: The app should not place the word killer in front of names of people.

    3. Re:New killer app for Bricklin... by lennier · · Score: 1

      I'm writing a new app that will revolutionize Dan Bricklin's life. It will randomly insert the word "killer" into every sentence he writes, thus cutting his workload in half!

      I read that as "Dan Brown", and thought "but he does that already!"

      The depraved ostrich killer watched the suave, wealthy professor of comparative killer whale anatomy with the killer smile sign hundreds of fainting fans' autograph books from behind the killer Retina screen of his killer iPad 3.

      --
      You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
  6. Angry Burds the mobile killer app? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Or more generally, smart phones have increased the number of game developers by a order of magnitude or two. Even if most of those games are not that good. In the past you need specialized game hardware or high end PC.

    1. Re:Angry Burds the mobile killer app? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It had another unexpected side effect too. A lot of the really old games from the very first in the 70s to the early nineties, which had been assumed to have no further commercial value, suddenly took on new life as casual games on the new platforms.

    2. Re:Angry Burds the mobile killer app? by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Am still waiting for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    3. Re:Angry Burds the mobile killer app? by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      That depends on what you mean by 'in the past'.

      Anyone and their hamster could (and did) write games for the Apple II, Commodore 64, Spectrum, and the other 8 bit machines.

    4. Re:Angry Burds the mobile killer app? by marnues · · Score: 1

      Hamsters could afford an Apple II? My family really was poor...

  7. His stuff from Slate was quite good by WillAdams · · Score: 0

    List (and discussion) of it here:

    http://www.bricklin.com/tabletcomputing.htm

    and I still miss Looseleaf Notetaker even when using EverNote or Microsoft Journal.

    That said, I still haven't seen a tablet which displaces my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4121 which has:

      - daylight viewable display --- I use it as a map reader on trips
      - handwriting recognition w/ a pressure-sensitive stylus --- I type quite enough at work, writing something, even on a screen is a pleasure by comparison
      - pressure-sensitive input for graphics apps --- I draw or sketch in ArtRage or AutoDesk Sketchbook or FutureWave SmartSketch (which was ported over to Mac and Windows from PenPoint and eventually became Flash by way of FutureSplash Animator), and work up drawings and letterform designs in Macromedia FreeHand
      - the ability to run pretty much _any_ application, directly on local files w/o jumping through hoops --- I use LaTeX and FontForge

    --
    Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
  8. 5 years later by lightknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    5 years later, the first lawsuits began. They were small ones at first, easily dealt with. However over time, they began to merge, and become larger.

    The lawsuit's content? Repetitive Stress Injury, from using a tablet for more than an hour a day. With a regular computer, you have a mechanical or membrane keyboard cushioning your fingers, allowing you to work for hours without ill-effects (allowing for a standard positioning of hands). Tablets, on the other hand, have a hard glass screen which you are tapping away at. It will later be revealed that the executives of these prominent companies had performed studies that showed RSI would become an issue after too much use, but went ahead with the product's launch anyway.

    Among the suffering were legions of secretaries, data entry specialists, and college students. Programmers, despite their fondness for technology, were not readily known to suffer from this injury, as they are far enough off the fashion wagon to plug an ugly keyboard into a tablet when needed.

    --
    I am John Hurt.
    1. Re:5 years later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus there will be lawsuits over eyestrain from trying to see a screen through a haze of french fry oil based fingerprints.

    2. Re:5 years later by geekmux · · Score: 0

      5 years later, the first lawsuits began. They were small ones at first, easily dealt with. However over time, they began to merge, and become larger.

      The lawsuit's content? Repetitive Stress Injury, from using a tablet for more than an hour a day. With a regular computer, you have a mechanical or membrane keyboard cushioning your fingers, allowing you to work for hours without ill-effects (allowing for a standard positioning of hands). Tablets, on the other hand, have a hard glass screen which you are tapping away at. It will later be revealed that the executives of these prominent companies had performed studies that showed RSI would become an issue after too much use, but went ahead with the product's launch anyway.

      Among the suffering were legions of secretaries, data entry specialists, and college students. Programmers, despite their fondness for technology, were not readily known to suffer from this injury, as they are far enough off the fashion wagon to plug an ugly keyboard into a tablet when needed.

      With the advent of things like Siri, you're making some VERY large assumptions that the main way of interfacing with these devices will continue to be something physical. If any generation of computer users is going to be able to kill the more traditional physical interfaces, it will likely be the tablet/handheld computing generation.

    3. Re:5 years later by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      "Your honor, members of the jury, I have but two words to explain the plaintiffs' injuries. Just two words that describe the depth and gamut of his problems. These two words are not the fault or at the behest of my client, they are as a result of the defendant's own actions."

      "Angry Birds."

      "I rest my case."

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    4. Re:5 years later by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that weird nose handle thing on the eyeglasses everyone will need.

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    5. Re:5 years later by lightknight · · Score: 3, Informative

      *shrugs*

      Voice / tablet interfaces are useful, but far less efficient for entering a large amount of information over short period of time.

      Voice interfaces, for dictation or programming, need a tremendous amount of work. Command-voice interfaces, like Siri, have been around forever, and we already know they work.

      --
      I am John Hurt.
    6. Re:5 years later by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      The lawsuit's content? Repetitive Stress Injury, from using a tablet for more than an hour a day. With a regular computer, you have a mechanical or membrane keyboard cushioning your fingers, allowing you to work for hours without ill-effects (allowing for a standard positioning of hands). Tablets, on the other hand, have a hard glass screen which you are tapping away at. It will later be revealed that the executives of these prominent companies had performed studies that showed RSI would become an issue after too much use, but went ahead with the product's launch anyway.

      There's a little-known business phrase out there called 'best tool for the job'. Where I work, for example, many people have Wacom Tablets even though the vast majority of the world only has a keyboard and mouse.

      I really don't understand this attitude towards tablets. We all love our smartphones to the point that we've maintained a flame war for 5 years, but a bigger version of that device comes, it turns out to be really popular, but no no no it must be doomed.

      Nerd Hipsterism. Gotta love it.

      --

      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    7. Re:5 years later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This generation's OptiGrab!

    8. Re:5 years later by hmar · · Score: 1

      I'm also trying to imagine an open office or even a cubical farm where everyone is trying to talk to a tablet or computer. Could get pretty loud as people increase volume to overcome the background noise

  9. i have a netbook? dont need tablet by alen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i have a netbook.
      it goes everywhere i go.
      i sleep with it.
      i shower next to it.
      i take it to the bathroom with me to pass the time.
      i can do anything i want on it

    i can code a new OS or the latest game on my netbook
    i can play real games on it
    flash lets me surf the nastiest pr0n sites

    why do i need a tablet?

    1. Re:i have a netbook? dont need tablet by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you need a tablet? Judging by your post, probably not. Do you need a girlfriend? Judging by your post, desperately. But whichever one you get theres bound to be drama when your netbook finds out...

    2. Re:i have a netbook? dont need tablet by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 1

      You need to own a tablet to get a girlfriend? Weak. Your game sucks I take it.

    3. Re:i have a netbook? dont need tablet by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      I have a Tablet. it goes everywhere i go. i sleep with it i shower next to it i take it to the bathroom with me to pass the time. I can't do anything i want on it, but it is good enough for basic needs i can code a new OS (android/linux) or the latest game on my tablet (with a developer account for IOS or Android) i can play real games on it (with appropriate bluetooth controller, i used a wiimote to play emulated SNES and NES on it the other day) HTML5 lets me surf the nastiest pr0n sites why do i need a netbook?

      --
      There Can Be Only One...
  10. Re:First Post! by tom17 · · Score: 1

    Irony huh... let's see.

    *sings* It's like getting the see-heecond post, when all you wanted was the first.

    Yup, irony.

  11. Backup material from Dan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just FYI: My comments about "social device" in the InfoWorld interview relate to the fact that a 10" tablet is easily usable by one person while a few other people watch. It isn't "between" you and them the way an open laptop is or a phone held in front of your face. The actions you are doing (tapping, dragging, pinching) are easily followed by the other person unlike a keyboard and mouse where what you are doing isn't as obvious or direct. I first mentioned this in http://danbricklin.com/ipad1.htm .

    The "lots of apps is a killer app" comment (and the reference to the Palm Pilot which was based on an interview I did with Palm's head) comes from the essay I wrote in 2006, "When the Long Tail Wags the Dog" (http://danbricklin.com/tailwagsdog.htm). It explains why "There's an app for that" was such an important selling point for Apple.

    Finally, more recently (a little over a year ago) I wrote "Is the Apple iPad really "magical"?" (http://danbricklin.com/magical.htm)

    -Dan Bricklin

    1. Re:Backup material from Dan by sootman · · Score: 1

      OMG! Now we know who "Anonymous Coward" is on Slashdot! It's Dan Bricklin! Man, he sure posts a lot...

      (Sorry, Mr. Bricklin, but I couldn't resist the joke. It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance.)

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    2. Re:Backup material from Dan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pleasure to meet you, too!

      -DanB

    3. Re:Backup material from Dan by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I like this bit from the article:

      So long as we give people general-purpose tools that let them build things, we're OK. It's when we start to take them away that we get into trouble. I hope we always have popular machines people can use that aren't restricted, so that those who have the desire and ideas to do something can, and can share it with others.

      Obviously a concern about the "walled garden" approach to software.

    4. Re:Backup material from Dan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palm's head

      I think that's the first time that phrase has ever been used.

  12. All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago. by Kenja · · Score: 1

    Tablets are not new. What makes the current crop different from the last one, or the one before that, or the one before that. Its like 3D movies. Every now and then the idea gets reintroduced and everyone raves about it, till we grow tired of the idea and move on. I still have a beta-max copy of the 1950's movie Cat Women On the Moon in 3D some place, right next to my Dauphin DTR-1 486 25mhz tablet running Windows 3.1 For Pens.

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  13. Form factor the killer app? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find the form factor to be the "killer app". Holds/handles like a book, but does much of what you might want to do on a computer, without having the awkwardness of even an ultralight laptop.

    I get into countless arguments with people who INSIST that a laptop/netbook/macbook air is "the same" but that just hasn't been my experience in trying to sit on the couch, fly on a plane, ride in a car, etc and use the same devices.

    There's no debate that those platforms have greater computing potential (keyboard/mouse, OS choices, HDD, yadda yadda). But they all still need to be opened up, generally lack the battery life of an iPad (even my 2 year old iPad 1 still goes 2-3 days without needing charging) and just aren't as physically useful as a tablet.

    1. Re:Form factor the killer app? by Kenja · · Score: 1

      I find the form factor to be too big for something that only does what my cell phone can do. They are poor e-readers compared to digital paper systems, so the only reason I can come up with for the larger screen is to watch movies, which is not something I find myself needing. If you like the size, more power to you, but I just dont see the use compared to an actual computer.

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    2. Re:Form factor the killer app? by Znork · · Score: 1

      Of course, a tablet is quite awkward compared to a smart phone, yet does not do much more than one if you're comparing them both to a real computer.

      For my personal electronics, if it doesn't easily fit in a pocket, I'm not going to lug it around. And at home I've got instant access to real computers at every location I spend a significant amount of time, so with the possible exception of bathroom visits I have yet to find a situation where a pad would be the most appropriate form factor.

    3. Re:Form factor the killer app? by swb · · Score: 1

      I seldom lug mine around with me on a daily basis, but in the living room, kitchen, bathroom the larger screen makes it much more usable than a phone is.

      Unfortunately, with a wife, 7 year old and a 80 pound dog, having a computer in every usable location is not even negotiable in my household, let alone practical.

    4. Re:Form factor the killer app? by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      One of the last shuttle flights, as the shuttle crew left the station and they were sealing up the airlock hatches, a black laptop was prominently on screen and open, taking up a lot of space. One the space station crew did something quick with it at one point, but as you'd expect had to carry it in one arm as he typed or trackpad-ed around with the other.

      Right there is an example where a touch tablet would have made a lot of sense. Not necessarily an iPad, but certainly one without a stylus. Of course they'd have to run it through radiation and other hardening, certify it for spaceflight, etc.

    5. Re:Form factor the killer app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fly on a plane huh? I find opening my netbook and placing it on the little tray in economy class far more practical and far less ridiculous than those who prop up their ipads on its flimsy little triangular cover when watching movies. I can't imagine holding and looking at anything when riding in a car. Having a bite at the airport again the netbook makes far more sense when doing some quick emailing/surfing then an ipad propped up by the triangular cover and a separate keyboard. My eeepc still has a 7-8hr battery life after a couple of years and I use it everyday.

      But, yes, a tablet is great for the couch.

  14. Killer, until you need to type something... by gravyface · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...longer than a search query in Google. And then you reach for your terrible Bluetooth keyboard/dock with it's equally-terrible leatherette cover and try to juggle the thing on your lap, all the while wondering why you didn't just get a thin laptop or a netbook.

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  15. entertainment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tablet form factor is here because we started consuming much more lean-back-style entertainment via the internet (facebook checking, casual games, youtube clips, photo browsing,...) and it's just not comfortable to consume that kind of content at a desk. And it's also not comfortable (enough) to sit on the couch with a laptop (or pc). Because you'll burn your testes.

    So man created the tablet. And it is here to stay. It's complementary to a laptop and even a smartphone (less social because so small).

  16. As long as they still even make netbooks by tepples · · Score: 1

    A thin laptop (aka an "ultrabook") costs twice as much as an iPad, and netbook makers such as Dell have been discontinuing their netbook lines.

    1. Re:As long as they still even make netbooks by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 1

      I see people typing on ipads in the class rooms taking notes. I assume they sync later to the pc or laptop in their dorms for real processing in Word or whatever. For some reason the small back pack trend of the mid-late 90's is back, and I'm sure tablets are to blame. Even guys are wearing half-size or small backpacks where tablets easily fit.

    2. Re:As long as they still even make netbooks by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      I assume they sync later to the pc or laptop in their dorms for real processing in Word or whatever.

      Why would you assume this is the case? If someone is taking notes on their iPad using something like EverNote at what point is further processing needed? They can pretty easily collate their notes right on the device itself. Most note apps can easily save notes out to "the cloud" so they're readily available anywhere. What do you think people need to do with their notes for which they need a PC?

      As for smaller backpacks, what? Through high school and college I ended up having to carry tons of books in a massive backpack and it was terrible. Then my dumb ass carried around a laptop in addition to the books in college. If I was in school today I'd trade a laptop and a ton of books for an iPad in a heartbeat.

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  17. Re:First Post! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    ha, ha! I read that as 'oh bitter, bitter onions..."

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  18. Gartner research on tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "PC shipments will remain weak in 2012," said Ranjit Atwal, research director at Gartner. "PCs will face more competition as we see new media tablets based on operating systems from Android and Microsoft, as well the new iPad."

    Consumer computing habits are changing as more applications shift to the cloud. Email, Web browsing and social networking, which once required a PC, can now be done on a smartphone or tablet.

    Even content creation tasks like photo editing, word processing, and music creation are migrating to tablets. Though PCs are still the best for those kinds of applications, Atwal said consumers have shown that they are willing to make trade-offs for tablets' better content consumption capabilities.

    1. Re:Gartner research on tablets by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Meh. Like anyone who's not on slashdot knows anything about... um... anything.

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  19. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by ajlitt · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure that Apple sells more iPads in a year than all Betamax decks ever produced.

  20. Visicalc in software history by http · · Score: 1

    Isn't Viscalc the first program with a license explicity noting, "We can't say it works for sure. And you can't sue us if it doesn't." IIRC, it was because of fears some P. Eng. would use it in designing a bridge or automotive brake.

    I'm open to correction on this one.

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  21. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    I can see two crucial differences. Firstly, technology has improved. The tablets now are lighter, slimmer and have higher resolution screens than any before. The batteries last longer, and they pack the processing power to easily stream video. Plus we have wireless everywhere, which makes them more useful still, and they even cost less (Yes, even the iPad cost less than my old tablet of a previous generation!). Secondly, Apple... they are masters of marketting. They took the tablet, a tool for geeks, and made it cool. Their brand alone sold the iPad - had exactly the same product been made by HP or Dell, it'd never have caught on so well.It's possible that just the power of their marketing could get tablets established long enough to stick.

  22. Re:HELP!!! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    There's only one hope left: The All Purpose Emergency Plan. Fake a seizure.

  23. You are fundamentally clueless by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Tablets don't deliver novel features.

    Touch is inherently a novel form of interaction with computers. Until now direct touch has been rare.

    They are the following: slightly less complicated to use for simple applications, and still a novelty

    Allow me to update your list:

    They are the future.

    They are pretty much doomed in the middle term.

    Translation: The future will hit you like a Mac Truck.

    There isn't a "killer app" because they're basically more limited multipurpose computing devices.

    Spoken like someone forcefully unwilling to see a fundamental change in process because you fear it..

    You fear change, you fear a means of interaction that you find comfortable with going forward.

    You don't think of it as fears but your post is full of the kind of denial only fear can bring.

    The truth is that direct touch is a very powerful form of interaction with computers. It is more friendly for the average person and so tasks that people want to accomplish with computers will migrate to be done with touch.

    What you really fail to understand is that touch is not "more limited". It's simply different. It does some things worse than a keyboard or mouse, yes, but on the other hand it does some things better.

    And the thing is, people using computing devices through touch. Regardless which side of UI "wins" by any measure you care to put forward, it is irrelevant because people will buy touch devices and things that run on them.

    If you have not seen an 80-year old, or a three year old with an iPad you are really missing a lot of understanding.

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    1. Re:You are fundamentally clueless by Mars+Saxman · · Score: 1

      The ipad (because that's what we really mean by "tablets" here) is a new kind of computer, but it doesn't replace the existing kind of computer, because it doesn't have a keyboard. Touch is great for certain kinds of things, and keyboards are great for other kinds of things, and it simply doesn't make sense to do anything text-heavy on a touch interface.

      Smartphones didn't replace computers. Tablets won't replace smartphones. "Post-PC" doesn't mean the PC is going away; it means the PC is no longer the sole center of the computing universe.

  24. Size Matters by na1led · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A Desktop PC is like a big tool box, a laptop is like a tool belt, and a tablet is like a leatherman. What would you rather to carry around all day?

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    1. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you

    2. Re:Size Matters by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Funny

      flaw in your analogy.

      A tool belt will let me run around screaming, "I'M BATMAN!" while punching people in the face.

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    3. Re:Size Matters by quacking+duck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For me personally, the Swiss army knife (smartphone) is just fine.

    4. Re:Size Matters by na1led · · Score: 1

      More like a pocket knife.

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    5. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought everyone did that while they held their laptops.

  25. Not any more by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They are poor e-readers compared to digital paper systems

    That was arguably true before the new iPad.

    Now that is no longer true. The iPad is now superior to e-Ink, it has greater resolution, better color and much better touch interaction (which yes is important for the mechanics of reading on a text reader).

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    1. Re:Not any more by damnbunni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with reading books on an LCD display isn't the resolution. It's the fact you're staring at a light bulb the whole time.

      My e-ink reader is only 600 x 800, no higher a DPI than some of my LCD-screened gizmos, but it's FAR easier on the eyes.

      Also, I fail to understand why 'touch interaction' matters. My reader has a button for next page and a button for previous page, well placed, and a D-pad for navigating menus. What more does it need?

    2. Re:Not any more by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 1

      The iPad is now superior to e-Ink

      My Kindle is lighter, doesn't need backlighting, has a low-glare screen, and gets nearly a month of battery life.

      A tablet is better for reference books, but I'd rather use an eink reader for novels.

    3. Re:Not any more by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      My Kindle is lighter, doesn't need backlighting, has a low-glare screen, and gets nearly a month of battery life.

      The lighter part is good.

      But the iPad still is fine otherwise. The higher-glare screen doesn't really matter much even when reading outdoors in practice.

      As for battery life you could probably read a book for about two days on the iPad, and let it sit indefinitely before reading again while still having a good charge. The kindle's battery life is great to be sure, but the iPad battery life is pretty amazing also and combined with the extra functionality and now screen just makes it a better device for reading.

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    4. Re:Not any more by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 1

      But the iPad still is fine otherwise. The higher-glare screen doesn't really matter much even when reading outdoors in practice.

      Yes, it does. With a high glare screen, you need to turn up the brightness to compensate, whereas the Kindle is perfectly happy at ambient light levels. This is fatiguing indoors, and trying to manoeuvre the thing so that it's not afflicted with glare is just obnoxious. I like reading to be a comfortable thing I can do wherever I feel like sitting down, I shouldn't have to struggle to get in the right position for it.

      And reading outdoors on an iPad is just plain exhausting. Unless you've got photos showing that it no longer looks like this in the sunlight, I don't see why that would have changed any with the new one.

    5. Re:Not any more by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The problem with reading books on an LCD display isn't the resolution. It's the fact you're staring at a light bulb the whole time.

      I used-to think the same thing. But with a nice auto-dimming screen, I find it much more comfortable to read a high-dpi LCD than even a book, or e-ink.

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    6. Re:Not any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Sony Reader has a touch screen and buttons for next and previous page. I use the buttons all the time to change page. The touch screen can be used to resize text; although you can also do that with a preferences button, using the screen is quicker. So the touch screen is not critical, but it's nice to have.

    7. Re:Not any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do diagrams, charts, computer code and mathematical symbols that are unreadable grab you.

      If there is no problem then the e-ink reader is ideal for you. Otherwise you may want to consider an iPad.

  26. Re:First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    had exactly the same product been made by HP or Dell

    Well, therein lies the rub.

    We all saw the HP tablet -- it was a dog that eventually HP themselves was selling for about $99 to their employees to clear it out.

    My brother's tiny little off-name Android tablet is cool enough, but has a fairly low-res display and seemed to have some warts (the clock stops when it's turned off, I kid you not; how hard is it to keep the clock going?). Can't speak to the Samsung or other Android based tablets since I've never had a chance to play with one.

    My wife's Playbook -- well, the browser crashes all of the time, there's not much software available for it, and usually when she turns it on she has to wrestle with it to get it to connect to our wi-fi, or occasionally hard-boot it as the whole thing locks up. She's getting to the point where she might stop using it. Which is sad, because when I bought it for her at Christmas, it was a really sweet deal and thought she'd get some use out of it.

    What Apple did was to actually produce a polished product that worked when they released it. Microsoft is playing "me too" as usual and trying to build something. HP released a turd and then discontinued it. RIM hasn't yet caught up yet. The Android marketplace comprises so many different devices that I'm not even sure you can compare them to themselves.

    So, I'm just not convinced that another of the candidates could have released "exactly the same product" ... because they don't seem to be doing it yet. I will say this for Apple, by the time they release it, it actually has been tested and works. A lot of products get released which shouldn't be considered anything more than a beta release.

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  28. Will Metro solve for N? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel the same way Dan Bricklin does about Apple and Microsoft, solving for 1 and solving for n respectively. This is what makes Metro from MS so promising and yet so risky.

  29. old tablets UIs too messy by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Designers thought of them as minaturized desktops.
    Apples [perhaps accidental] innovation was to consider them enlarge smartphones.

  30. Re:First Post! by tom17 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, how ironic :(

  31. It's your failure. by Petersko · · Score: 2

    Failure to envision appropriate and unique uses for the device is a failure of your imagination - not a failure of the device. There are plenty.

  32. those horseless carriages are just overpriced toys by decsnake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    those horseless carriages are just overpriced toys and they'll never amount to anything. For serious work, I'll take a horse and carriage any day!

    seriously, you guys ought to listen to yourselves sometime.

  33. Re:First Post! by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh bitter, bitter ironies...

    #39365465 - timestamped 1 minute earlier

    From Dilbert Newsletter 49.0 -- InDUHviduals Humor Break

    I've also learned recently that "ironic" means anything you want it to mean. Example:

    Me: "I heard that Bob was killed by a meteor."

    Induhvidual: "Wow. That's ironic."

    Me: "Why is it ironic? Was he an astronomer?"

    Induhvidual: "No, it's ironic because, you know, what are the odds?"

    Me: "So anything unlikely is automatically ironic?"

    Induhvidual: "No, it also needs to be bad."

    Me: "This conversation is ironic."

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  34. That's exactly what the iPad was designed for: by Brannon · · Score: 0

    that huge consumer market of people writing books, software development, and darkroom work.

  35. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Secondly, Apple... they are masters of marketting. They took the tablet, a tool for geeks, and made it cool. Their brand alone sold the iPad - had exactly the same product been made by HP or Dell, it'd never have caught on so well.It's possible that just the power of their marketing could get tablets established long enough to stick.

    People who still reduce Apple's strength(s) to marketing will never understand why they have been successful. Apple has always been about polish. Geeks here on Slashdot might put up with mundane tasks to get something working but the general public does not. Every step it takes to do something makes it a negative in their mind.

    I had a Diamond Rio player when the first iPod came out. Technically it was a higher capacity version of the Rio if you want to reduce it down. But in the mundane daily tasks of operation, the iPod kicked the crap out of it.

    To rip and encode MP3s required me to find and use two different programs. Apple had iTunes. To sync my device required multiple steps and another program. Even then you could mess up the syncing. With iPod, just plug it to your computer.

    When I got an iPod around 2005, my brother got a Dell MP3 player. At the time he disparaged my choice. A year later I asked him where his Dell was. He kept it in a drawer because it was too much of a hassle to keep it synced/use it. I used my iPod for years until I replaced it with a smart phone.

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  36. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by Locutus · · Score: 1

    all those Windows based tablets before were huge heavy and without great battery life on top of a clunky Microsoft defined UI which had to be like desktop Windows. The phone market was the same and those phone vendors would not create something interesting and easy to use. Apple's iPhone was a great package for ease of use and with the iPod like tie-in with the Apple App Store to make adding enhancements simple. That was easily slid over to the iPad and using the same model of a sleek, light and easy to handle device with the same easy to use UI. No tablets I'd seen ever did this before and most of the problem was because they had to run Microsoft Windows.

    So all those things may have been on previous generations of tablets before but those tablets were junk from a user friendly perspective.

    This is another reason why there's a good chance that Windows 8 on tablets is going to suck again. They're likely to require lots of CPU, lots of RAM and lots of battery power compared to the iPad. And the apps from Windows don't run on them and Microsoft is confiusing desktop Windows with the tablet and people will not get it. This Windows table phase is also likely to fail. IMO

    LoB

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  37. Yo Dawg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo Dawg, I heard you like killer apps so i've got the killer app app so you can kill while you use your killer app app.

  38. Tablets? Not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an Android phone. I love it. I also have a 10-inch Android tablet--a good one (A500), not one of the junks out there. Every time I drag it out, I ask myself "Why did I buy this again?" OK, I bought it because I'm a nerd, and it was shiny, and I got it for 1/2 price on a Black Friday sale. Still, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do with it. I purchased a Bluetooth keyboard, thinking that would make it more useful. It hasn't. Maybe if I was the kind of person to lug a laptop with me everywhere I go, then a tablet would be a better choice. But I'm not. Perhaps I'm just not the target audience for a tablet, but I can't see a good reason to have one.

  39. Not the reason for eyestrain by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    The problem with reading books on an LCD display isn't the resolution. It's the fact you're staring at a light bulb the whole time.

    That is not a problem. The problem is when your surroundings vary significantly in luminance from your "book". Lot of tablets crank up the brightness, so that is why is seems to strain your eyes.

    The iPad is very good at dimming brightness. As long as you don't read it in a pitch dark room (which you should not do with a real book either) there is very little eyestrain to be had when the brightness of the screen more closely matches the surroundings.

    My e-ink reader is only 600 x 800, no higher a DPI than some of my LCD-screened gizmos, but it's FAR easier on the eyes.

    I've used them before and they are better than a bad LCD, but not better than a good one and due to the low resolution and terrible refresh rate significantly worse than the new iPad screen. Reading is WAY nicer on a display with a good DPI (which includes real books).

    Also, I fail to understand why 'touch interaction' matters. My reader has a button for next page and a button for previous page, well placed, and a D-pad for navigating menus. What more does it need?

    As interactive content becomes more prevalent, you'll need to, well, interact with it.

    Also as well placed as those buttons are they are not as convenient as the whole screen tapping effects you can have with a good touch-screen.

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  40. I NEVER said replace by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The ipad (because that's what we really mean by "tablets" here) is a new kind of computer, but it doesn't replace the existing kind of computer, because it doesn't have a keyboard.

    Yes, I agree 100%.

    Touch is great for certain kinds of things, and keyboards are great for other kinds of things, and it simply doesn't make sense to do anything text-heavy on a touch interface.

    I totally disagree, here you are simply not thinking ahead, or frankly to what exists already in terms of attaching external keyboards.

    Smartphones didn't replace computers. Tablets won't replace smartphones. "Post-PC" doesn't mean the PC is going away; it means the PC is no longer the sole center of the computing universe.

    Yes, exactly - but tablets and smartphones will make up the great bulk of it going forward, PC's are shortly going to be very marginalized.

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    1. Re:I NEVER said replace by Mars+Saxman · · Score: 1

      If I am not thinking ahead, it's because I don't see anything appealing about the scenario you apparently expect. Keyboards are great for entering text. We have been refining them for decades. If there were a better way of building a keyboard someone would already have tried it. I do not believe that keyboards are going away, because people will continue to need to enter text, and will continue to need to enter large amounts of text. Anyone whose job involves a lot of text entry is not going to be happy about the idea of using a tablet instead of a normal computer.

      As far as attaching an external keyboard, well, if you take a tablet and attach a keyboard, how is that different from having a laptop? If you are regularly using a home-assembled laptop, why wouldn't you just use.... a laptop? Or are you simply suggesting that laptops of the future will have touch-sensitive screens in addition to their keyboards? I can't see the form factor working particularly well, but I suppose it's possible.

    2. Re:I NEVER said replace by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Keyboards are great for entering text. We have been refining them for decades.

      And as I pointed out there already exist external keyboards.

      Anyone whose job involves a lot of text entry is not going to be happy about the idea of using a tablet instead of a normal computer.

      No business I have ever seen cared at all what made data entry people happy.

      if you take a tablet and attach a keyboard, how is that different from having a laptop?

      None, but you just agreed with me.

      In the future if most people just have tablets, and you can buy an external keyboard for $10 and a laptop for even as low as $200... why buy the laptop? Even now if I had to choose between a netbook and an iPad I would absolutely take the iPad, and that will will only become more true as time goes on.

      Touch sensitive screens on laptops make no sense, as Apple already knows and has said.

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    3. Re:I NEVER said replace by Mars+Saxman · · Score: 1

      You might well be right; I just hope things don't go the way you expect them to, because it doesn't sound like much fun. I have been disappointed by the steady disappearance of physical keyboards from phones; my current phone has a touchscreen, and while I can get along with it, typing more than a sentence or two just sucks. It's slower and far less accurate - it is only the presence of an extremely aggressive autocorrect system that makes the touchscreen keyboard usable at all.

      In a world where your average home PC is actually an iPad, I'd rarely, if ever, write a comment as long as this one, because it'd be so much irritating work.

      if you take a tablet and attach a keyboard, how is that different from having a laptop?

      None, but you just agreed with me.

      Not so much. A computer is a computer is a computer, so all we're talking about is the form factor. "Tablet" is a form factor which works for situations where you are lounging around: sitting on the couch or the easy chair, in bed, something like that. But what are you going to do when you need to write a bunch of text? You can stick your tablet into a tablet holder, pull out a keyboard, and start working - um - wait, except you've just re-invented the laptop, badly. So now you have an awkward laptop for doing desk type things. This is in fact a very significant amount of the work people do with computers today, and I believe that we will continue to have many devices available which are designed for that type of usage.

      Obviously tablets are going to grow much more quickly than PCs, because they are a form factor which is suited to a range of computing activities that previously went unserved. That means the hot development money is going to move to the tablet world, all the aggressive young startups will go work on tablet apps, etc. It's just the same cycle that we saw with phones. But that doesn't mean PCs become any less important than they are now: it just means there's a huge new market which is drawing all the new attention.

    4. Re:I NEVER said replace by shilly · · Score: 1

      Touch sensitive screens on laptops make no sense, as Apple already knows and has said

      Oh boy, is this ever true. I have a ThinkPad x220 touch for work. The touchscreen *only* gets in the way. Excel and powerpoint can't work nicely with it, they require too finegrained resolution. And every time I'm working with someone and need to show them something on screen, you can guarantee one of us is going to point at the spot on the screen they're talking about...and trigger some unwanted action via the touchscreen.

      The modes do not mix well. Metro is another example of the same general principle

  41. People Adapt by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The lawsuit's content? Repetitive Stress Injury, from using a tablet for more than an hour a day.

    And then the suit is dismissed because only an idiot hits a display as hard as they hit a normal keyboard.

    A touch display needs only the lightest of touches to react, why are you not moderating your presses? Everyone else does.

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  42. Killer app is in the eye of the beholder by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    For me, the killer app was a hemisphere of sectional maps, airport directory, notepad, mp3 player, audio book reader, email client, pdf reader and engine monitor all in the format of a pilot's kneepad.

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  43. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who still reduce Apple's strength(s) to marketing will never understand why they have been successful.

    Here I want to both agree with you and disagree with you. That people who reduce Apple's strengths to Marketing will never understand why they are successful is true, but not because that is false, but because they have no idea of what marketing is. Marketing is not advertising. Marketing also includes figuring out what the market wants, building a good product to appease the market, and then presenting it, including advertising, to the market so they buy it. It is a combination of telling the people what they want along with the fact that it is actually what they want. Apple is successful 'because of marketing', but the people who use that phase usually have no idea what even wikipedia says about 'Marketing".

  44. Tablet as well as computer, not instead of .... by grege1 · · Score: 1

    How many people ONLY have a tablet and not a PC/Mac/notebook. Hands up out there. Well that is not many. The post PC world is still driven by the PC in one form or another. Would anyone seriously write a book on a tablet, even with a bluetooth keyboard attached? How about do serious video editing, audio editing, desktop publishing? What on a 10" screen? Even accounting. The time will come when you can sit you tablet down next to an external large screen, keyboard with extra USB3 connections and HiFi speakers and it will all automatically sync together and become ..... a PC. You can then pick it up and walk away with it until your significant others shout "who has taken the PC?", then you will need a second tablet to supplement your err PC. I have a PC, a notebook and a Xoom and a Samsung Galaxy S - they all share calendar, email, docs via the cloud and they all work in harmony. And they all have their purposes. The only real redundancy is that the notebook could replace the desktop, but not if the tablet replaced the notebook.

  45. iPad not for CS majors by tepples · · Score: 1

    If I was in school today I'd trade a laptop and a ton of books for an iPad in a heartbeat.

    I wouldn't, if only because of some of Apple's iOS developer policies that make an iPad not very useful for a computer science major. An Android tablet, on the other hand...

  46. There is no killer app anymore by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    has not been for a while, we have all that we really need, and its been that way for quite a while. Back when VisiCalc came out, was still during the period of "ok you have a personal computer, now what the hell do you do with it" and average people did not have an electonic spredsheet, their software was a game changer spawning an entire industry (for a while), and that was a killer app, for many, they bought an Apple II just to be able to run THAT software.

    Today everything is icing on an already made cake *, though I am not saying there is no innovation in the computer software world now, I am saying that the software landscape is not a wide open frontier anymore and, something truly unique AND that everyone just has to have, does not happen.

    * icing on an already made cake, for example if I just want to visualize data or forms in a excel sheet, it actually takes me less time to fire up a 16Mhz, 16 bit, 1986 Mac SE and start dumping numbers into excel before ANY modern OS even gets to the desktop. Though I am not going to be able to drop a 1280x1024 24 bit color image as a popup comment in a cell with a few mouse clicks either ... good and bad

  47. Defending environments that foster innovation by solferino · · Score: 1

    It's worth making it through the article for the final two paragraphs, which I found poignant.

    Concerns? I'm concerned that too few people are focusing enough on what we haven't been able to do that's now possible. I want to make sure we can do what we want on these machines. We need the ability to experiment. We used to be able to experiment a lot more. But in the world of day-to-day trade-offs between security and innovation, we're out of balance. We talk a lot about what we need to do to keep things secure, but nowhere near enough about what we need to do to keep things fertile.

    So long as we give people general-purpose tools that let them build things, we're OK. It's when we start to take them away that we get into trouble. I hope we always have popular machines people can use that aren't restricted, so that those who have the desire and ideas to do something can, and can share it with others.

  48. I agree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with Dan Bricklin. Most of my friends are heavy tablet users while I've yet to find a use for one. Everyone's got a different killer app that sold them on it. Unfortunately for me, no one has written one for me yet!

  49. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    What I disagree with mostly when people use "marketing" and "advertising" interchangeably to mean the same thing. Advertising is part of marketing. For me, I separate design from those three. Apple's core product design strategy hasn't changed since Steve Jobs returned: Make product X for consumers. The "consumers" part is where many companies have not succeeded. Sure they put out a product that works mostly but they don't take the extra steps necessary to polish for them. The Rio was just one example. All the major shortcomings could have been solved by software but Rio didn't bother with making a ripper and encoded even though it was going to be necessary for most consumers to transform their CD collections into MP3s. The syncing could have been much easier.

    I would say that the best example of your presentation of marketing is the original iPhone commercials. At the time, most consumers probably seen a smart phone and maybe knew about them in general. Each of the 4 30 second commercials showed a function of the iPhone: media player, maps, browsing, mail, etc. At the end of each commercial, it showed that is was a phone. Each of these commercials were a simple 30 second demo of how it worked. At the time I had a WinMo phone issued by work. My original thoughts were that the functionality could not have been that simple to use. I played was one and was pleasantly surprised when I was wrong. For WinMo, I remember that the 3 way conferencing functionality was stupidly more complex that each time, I had to look up in the manual how to do it. It was like 3 menus buried somewhere (all the while you're on the phone with someone). It's the same scenario over and over with Apple. Yes, product X existed and had that functionality before Apple came into the market. But the functionality was not that simple.

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  50. Re:those horseless carriages are just overpriced t by lexman098 · · Score: 1

    A horseless carriage is much faster and doesn't require maintenance during periods when you're not using it.

  51. Re:All those things worked on tablets 15 years ago by hmar · · Score: 1

    Also missing that until the ipad, I'm not aware of anyone making a tablet UI that was significantly different from their desktop one. I have an old Fujitsu tablet running win-2000 that would be completely useless if I didn't also have the wireless keyboard. It had its uses, but Windows was the wrong interface for it. IOS, and Android are built around the touch screen, Win-8 looks to be an attempt to marry the 2 UIs (possibly to the detriment of both) While tablets have been tried before, they were alway better used like laptops than tablets. Now, they are optimized for the form factor. Microsoft may have the right idea with Win 8, one OS and 2 UIs, with docking capabilities, may help to create a device that can act as a tablet, and a family PC (sorry kids, I took the PC to work with me) There are already laptop docks for smart phones, why not laptop and desktop docks for tablets, when combined with an OS that can utilize both form factors?