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Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity

sciencehabit writes "Researchers have long hypothesized that objects weigh less at Earth's equator because the planet's spin and shape lessen gravity's pull there versus at the poles. Satellite accelerometers have confirmed this, but a digital scale manufacturer decided to test things the old-fashioned way. Enter the Kern garden gnome. When placed on a scale at the South Pole, the intrepid ornament weighed 309.82 grams versus 307.86 grams at the equator, a difference of 0.6%."

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  1. This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I buy my drugs at the North pole.

    1. Re:This is why by PacoCheezdom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if you bought them at the equator, you'd get a .6% discount! It's pay by weight, you know.

    2. Re:This is why by NicknameAvailable · · Score: 4, Funny

      But if you bought them at the equator, you'd get a .6% discount! It's pay by weight, you know.

      He's clearly high.

    3. Re:This is why by stoofa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe he has so many drugs in his system that he's developed a paranoid fear of gnomes and heard rumours they were gathering on the equator.

    4. Re:This is why by shugah · · Score: 3, Funny

      I make it a rule; never buy drugs from gnomes.

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    5. Re:This is why by stoofa · · Score: 2

      Sounds fairy snuff to me.

    6. Re:This is why by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      I knew it! Santa Clause has the good stuff :) why wont people tell me these things! i always find out the good secrets after the party is over!

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    7. Re:This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He's clearly high."

      That's why they call it DOPE.

    8. Re:This is why by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      It's pay by weight, you know

      Weight and mass are two different things. The gram is a measure of mass, not weight. Pounds and ounces are measures of weight. The article conflates the two.

      It's incorrect to say something "weighs X grams," just like it's incorrect to say something is X liters long, or weighs X inches.

      So the garden gnome is not 1.96 grams lighter at the equator unless something damaged the garden gnome (possibly very likely). The fact that this is put out by a scale company tells me their products aren't trustworthy. Regardless of reduced gravity at the equator, the scale should measure the same grams regardless of where they are. With an error rate of 0.6% depending on your longitude, they are only getting 2 significant figures of accuracy out of their scale. So the correct measure for them to report is that the gnome weighs 3 0 8 grams (line under the 0, 2 sigfigs with one extra digit) since that's all the more confident they can be. That's not a very good scale.

    9. Re:This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kern have an excellent global rep and these are some of the most accurate scales in Europe. They simply have not been recalibrated according to local gravity which allows them to accurately chart the differences in local gravity in g. (yes g. Is usually used for mass)

  2. Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So it has come to this.

    1. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by NicknameAvailable · · Score: 5, Funny
    2. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I ctrl-f for xkcd and I get this bullshit?
      http://xkcd.com/852/

    3. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to what?

    4. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by TimothyDavis · · Score: 1

      The babe with the power

    5. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You. Me. This moment.

    6. Re:Garden Gnome Tests Earth's Gravity? by Inanna-qui-baille · · Score: 1

      The power of voodoo ?

  3. .6 percent by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    That should be more than enough for heavy metal arbitrage.

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    1. Re:.6 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could arbitrage a ton of feathers too. It's brilliant unless the market uses the mass of said commodity. Large gold and silver bars are sometimes specified in kilograms--a unit of mass. The troy ounce is, AFAIK a unit of mass. The real question is how good are there measurements? It only has a chance of working if you trade in large bars and they don't think about it. Coins are standardized so it doesn't work.

    2. Re:.6 percent by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      And just how, pray tell, do you think they measure the mass of the bars Mr. Nitpicker? Some elaborate physics experiment?

      I have no idea if they account for it or not, but this is something that they'd need to take into account.

    3. Re:.6 percent by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      You guys are losing sight of what is important here.

      What is truly important about this news is that I can lose some weight by moving toward equator.

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    4. Re:.6 percent by mmontour · · Score: 1

      And just how, pray tell, do you think they measure the mass of the bars Mr. Nitpicker? Some elaborate physics experiment?

      Using either a beam balance, or a force-measuring scale that's locally calibrated with a known reference mass.

    5. Re:.6 percent by istartedi · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but if you could actually find an arbitrage and keep it secret long enough then you'd be rich and you could have all the hookers and blow you want no matter how much you weigh and it wouldn't matter if you were just some bored loser who had nothing better to do than post on Slashdot in annoyingly long runon sentances in between chapters of books by Faulkner who is your literary idol.

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    6. Re:.6 percent by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      Your lack of grammar and punctuation usage intrigues me. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    7. Re:.6 percent by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      And just how, pray tell, do you think they measure the mass of the bars Mr. Nitpicker? Some elaborate physics experiment?

      Think about it.
      Here's a hint: http://visual.merriam-webster.com/science/measuring-devices/measure-weight/beam-balance.php

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    8. Re:.6 percent by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      In the past I've been a fan of the quote: "If you don't assume everyone else is an idiot, it makes it easier to avoid looking like one yourself." Looks like I need to take some of my own advice. Thanks for the info.

    9. Re:.6 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I called my ombudsman, and he subscribed to my newsletter. HTH.

  4. Good for Kern Precision Scales by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Nice to see some practical science that illustrates a point.

    myke

  5. Next to the standard kilogram by buchner.johannes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Next to the standard kilogram, there will be a standard garden gnome.

    0.6% is not a small number. I'm looking forward to discussing the next international health survey and asking "Did you normalize your weights for gravitational variance?"

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    1. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      0.6% is NOT a small number. Unfortunately, it's also not NEARLY the right percentage, calculated from those given masses (technically: g-reduced weights, since mass is assumed invariant).

    2. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Aaaand I didn't read one of the given masses correctly. Damn it.

    3. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by VanGarrett · · Score: 2

      My problem with the use of a "gram" to make this measurement, is that a "gram" is a measurement of Mass, rather than a measurement of weight. By presenting the weight in grams, they have illustrated the inaccuracy of their scale, rather than the variance of local gravity. As there doesn't appear to be a unit of weight in the Metric system, they perhaps should have expressed the value in Pounds.

    4. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by skapaft · · Score: 1

      Weight is measured in Newtons. The pound is also a unit of mass.

    5. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not get too confused here. The imperial system has pounds for force, pounds for mass, and slugs for mass. So, if you use "pound," are you referring to mass-pounds or force-pounds? Obviously the correct answer is force-pounds, but it is very easy to confuse the two.

    6. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, pound is a measure of force, slug is the associated unit of mass.

    7. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pounds are a unit of mass as well. The unit of weight in metric is the unit of force, the Newton.

    8. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the unit of measure your looking for is the Newton.

    9. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Slugs are the imperial measurement for mass. Pounds are comparable to newtons and slugs are comparable to grams (as far as type goes). Pounds are often shorthanded for mass measurements and grams for weight measurements, but it's not correct and you should never do so in a scientific paper.

    10. Re:Next to the standard kilogram by Dracophile · · Score: 1

      Or centi-Newtons.

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  6. Makes sense by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know that, whenever I see a garden gnome, I feel a powerful urge to use it to test gravity. Especially if there's a large asphalt or cement driveway nearby.

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    1. Re:Makes sense by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, Valve thought the same thing. It was somewhat of a different method, however.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by formfeed · · Score: 1

      I know that, whenever I see a garden gnome, I feel a powerful urge to use it to test gravity. Especially if there's a large asphalt or cement driveway nearby.

      Understandable. But not a very efficient way to deal with a gnome infestation.
      The Extension Office of Utah State University actually has a video on Gnome Management in the Garden

    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best Achievement EVAR!

    4. Re:Makes sense by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Hush, now. They've got eyes everywhere.

  7. We are the 0.6% by stevegee58 · · Score: 2

    Occupy the South Pole!

  8. Wrong units... by MrKevvy · · Score: 5, Informative

    "When placed on a scale at the South Pole, the intrepid ornament weighed 309.82 grams versus 307.86 grams at the equator..."

    The grams is a unit of mass, which is invariant depending on gravity. The metric unit of weight is the kilopond.

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    1. Re:Wrong units... by PRMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why we in the US still use pounds. That way, it's always accurate.

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    2. Re:Wrong units... by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      True. But in fact, these scales appear to measure things in kgf and cut off the f, giving 0.30982 kgf vs. 0.30786 kgf.

      Random related anecdote: I used to work for an e-tailer, and trade-legal scales used for calculating postage for goods to be shipped to a customer have to have buttons to calibrate for the gravity at any given latitude. In dimensional terms, this acts as a conversion factor from kgf to kg.

    3. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or as an alternative, you could use the more know unit of weight Newton.

    4. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're measuring force here. The SI measure of force is a Newton (N) = 1 kg * m * s^2

    5. Re:Wrong units... by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 4, Informative

      Million-dolar spacecraft have been lost for less. Units matter.

      I don't know why a company that made scales would make that particular mistake, but then, if NASA can do it, who am I to judge.

    6. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's N = kg * m / s^2. (or N = kg*m*s^-2)

    7. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Newsflash, Einstein: Digital scales don't measure grams; they measure the resistance on a strain gauge and convert the result to grams via calibrated experimental values. Hint: the units they're using don't mean what you think they mean. When they say it's X grams, they don't mean that literally.

      What they actually mean is: when it's at the South Pole it produces a resistance equivalent to that produced by X grams sitting on the strain gauge at the test facility; and when it's at the Equator it produces a resistance equivalent to Y grams sitting on the strain gauge at the test facility. They know the mass of the object is constant, so they're reporting a measured change in weight.

      p.s. I assume they accounted for any temperature effects on the resistance.

    8. Re:Wrong units... by NameIsDavid · · Score: 1

      Newtons would also have been fine.

    9. Re:Wrong units... by bluephone · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a scale such as the ones being used can't really measure mass independently of a known gravitational pull, so while it's reporting in grams, it's really reporting weight because of the variable pull of the earth. AFAIK without a balance beam, you're not going to accurately measure mass with gravity as a variable. I presume these scales are intended to be calibrated once they arrive at the destination. This experiment isn't calibrating the scale to local gravity, I imagine.

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    10. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Imperial (US) unit of mass if the Slug (really - look it up). So we here in the US have the same dichotomy.

    11. Re:Wrong units... by snookums · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I once saw an ad for a digital bathroom scale that claimed it "never needs calibrating" and was "accurate to 0.1%". I immediately called bullshit* on this in my head and am glad to know that I was justified in doing so.

      * Note that this was in Australia where we actually measure our mass in kg, rather than our weight in lb. It may well have been that accurate as a weighing machine, but not as a "massing" machine.

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    12. Re:Wrong units... by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      A bit like the broken clock that shows the correct time twice a day...

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    13. Re:Wrong units... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Every analytical balance I've ever seen reads out in g, mg or micrograms. Not Nt, mNt, or your silly kiloponds.

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    14. Re:Wrong units... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Sorry. Wrong abbreviation. N for Newton, not Nt.

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    15. Re:Wrong units... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Dude, the link you provided is entitled Kilogram-force. When you're talking about pounds you don't specific if you're talking about pound-mass or pound-force, as it's obvious from the context which it's supposed to be. We use the same conventions in SI-land, it's obvious from the context of the article that it's talking about kilogram force, and not kilogram-mass.

      Also, unless things have changed in the 5-years I've been out of uni, the SI unit of weight is the Newton.

    16. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clarifying that. I found the original a little confusing since "Nt" is the abbreviation for "Newt", which is a Standard American unit of administrative inertia. It's good to know that the Republican Circus has not yet spread to Slashdot.

    17. Re:Wrong units... by pnewhook · · Score: 2

      The grams is a unit of mass, which is invariant depending on gravity. The metric unit of weight is the kilopond [wikipedia.org].

      Sort of. The metric system is no longer used and has been replaced with SI. The kilopond or kgf is not part of the recognized SI system, and instead it used the Newton (N). When people now mention metric they actually are saying SI, but regardless, kilopond is not in that system of measures.

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    18. Re:Wrong units... by pnewhook · · Score: 2

      Why would you say it is a mistake? The company makes scales that measure in grams (a convention although strictly inaccurate). They showed an object of the same mass measures differently. The only variable that changed when measuring force is gravity, therefore they proved what they set out to prove. There is no mistake there at all.

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    19. Re:Wrong units... by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 2

      Why would you say it is a mistake?

      They make high precision scales, and they're going around the world saying, "Look how our scale gives a different mass measurement for the same object in different places." In the video on their site they talk about how they do in fact go out of their way to adjust the scales for local gravity (wherever they're being shipped to? Somehow?), but they could push that emphasis more.

      What they're showing is that the mass reading (as opposed to weight reading, which is accurate) is not consistent when you move them around the world, and that their instruments in particular are sensitive enough to be affected. That's true and important, but they should be making more of a fuss about their calibration services if they're going to be showing off that sensitivity.

    20. Re:Wrong units... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      In theory a fancy scale could include high precision standard weights for automatic calibration.

      Then the user can press the calibrate button and the scale calibrates itself.

      Cost a lot more of course, but sometimes that's a plus for the seller.

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    21. Re:Wrong units... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      What I'd be interested to know is if it can help you figure out the phase of the moon ;).

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    22. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newton according to SI.

    23. Re:Wrong units... by artor3 · · Score: 2

      Not quite. The slug is a unit of mass, but so is the pound ...sometimes. We have the pound-mass and the pound-force, with the latter being described as the weight of an object with a mass of one pound-mass under standard Earth gravity. The slug is then defined based on the pound-force as an amount of mass that accelerates at 1 ft/s^2 when exposed to one pound-force of force.

      If you're thinking that having two nearly identically named units to describe two closely linked parameters is just asking for someone to mix them up, the congratulations -- you've found one of the many flaws of the Imperial measurement system.

    24. Re:Wrong units... by Kymermosst · · Score: 1

      Kilopond is incorrect as well, since the unit is defined for fixed gravitational accelleration. Since gravitational acceleration does vary slightly depending on where you are on earth, and the idea was to detect this and other "weight-reducing" effects at various points on the the earth, making it a fixed value makes no sense here. The correct unit to use is just newtons.

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    25. Re:Wrong units... by atisss · · Score: 1

      Calibration mass would be susceptible to wear and degradation, so true high-precision scales should measure local gravity by using tangent galvanometer

    26. Re:Wrong units... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      How does an Australian actually measure their weight? I thought you were all held on with magnets?

    27. Re:Wrong units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least we don't need a thousand of them to be worth something. Really, is the gram the standard measure of mass, or the kilogram? Litres are useable, metres are usable, but a gram is uselessly small.

    28. Re:Wrong units... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Well now, that really depends on what you're measuring, doesn't it?

    29. Re:Wrong units... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      My scale cheats! If I get on it, I get reading 'A'. If I get on it again, I get reading 'A'. If I press on it with just one leg and coax it to reading something much less than A, the next time I get on it it reads only somewhat near 'A'. It caches the last read value and if the new value is 'close' it returns the previous weight to make you think it's accurate and precise.

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    30. Re:Wrong units... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Also, unless things have changed in the 5-years I've been out of uni, the SI unit of weight is the Newton.

      So, how many grams does a Newton weigh?

    31. Re:Wrong units... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Well, we're a little off topic here but I have karma to burn, so here you go.

    32. Re:Wrong units... by meustrus · · Score: 1

      Yes, using grams is not at all correct because I'm sure the actual mass was not changed (at least that's not what they were trying to prove). The only reason to get different mass on a scale is if the scale was intentionally calibrated wrong, since scales really measure force and not mass. But if the kilopond is meant to equal one kilogram at standard earth gravity, wouldn't it be wrong to use that unit as well, since "standard earth gravity" is the concept being tested? Shouldn't we instead measure/report Newtons exerted on the gnome?

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    33. Re:Wrong units... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I use wolfram alpha for stuff like that - tides, moon rise times, moon phase, getting derivatives/integrals of math formulas for laughs.

      Was just wondering whether the machine is sensitive enough to detect the regular changes in the moon's position.

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  9. Hmm... by xstonedogx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it also test the Earth's travelocity?

    (I'm so, so sorry. I'm a sick man. I need help.)

    1. Re:Hmm... by SQLGuru · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I had mod points yesterday......alas I don't have them today. I would have spent them on this comment.

  10. spin doesn't decrease gravity's pull by decora · · Score: 2

    the mass of the earth is the same whether it's spinning or not. the spin causes centripetal acceleration, which is in the opposite direction of the acceleration due to gravity. i.e. the 'centrifugal force' cancels out a little bit of the 'gravitational force', but the gravity force itself is only slightly different because of shape, not because of the spin itself.

    or am i missing something?

    1. Re:spin doesn't decrease gravity's pull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You likely forgot to take into account whether we were experiencing a full moon.

    2. Re:spin doesn't decrease gravity's pull by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Spin doesn't decrease gravity's pull, but it counteracts it, giving it the same effect -- lower measured weight at the equator, no effect on mass of either object.

  11. Wrong units by mmontour · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's sometimes an acceptable shorthand to express a weight in grams, but not when that's the whole point of the story. The _mass_ in grams is (hopefully) not changing. The _weight_ in newtons (or any other dimensionally-correct unit you prefer) is what's changing.

    If you're using a device that measures weight and reports it in grams, then you need to re-calibrate it against a known reference mass at each new location.

    p.s. don't forget about buoyancy. Accurate measurements need to be done in a vacuum chamber.

    1. Re:Wrong units by 32771 · · Score: 2

      I'm sure we could measure the mass of the garden gnome through inertial measurements.

      You know accelerate the thing real hard and then measure the dent it leaves in the wall of the wall of the vacuum chamber.

      Maybe we can get the weight through ballistic measurements in the vacuum chamber? Where it lands is determined by gravity.

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    2. Re:Wrong units by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      But I don't wish to be weighed in a vacuum chamber, it hurts too much.

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  12. So basically, by Xandrax · · Score: 1, Funny

    Garden Gnomes just showed themselves to be more important to science than Creationalists and global-warming deniers.

    1. Re:So basically, by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Garden Gnomes just showed themselves to be more important to science than Creationalists and global-warming deniers.

      Hold your horses - Wait for them to run them through the particle accelerator and we'll just see about that.

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    2. Re:So basically, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you denying a lack of temperature increase in the last decade?

  13. lost in transport? by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 1

    how much was lost during transport?

    1. Re:lost in transport? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      how much was lost during transport?

      Pretty certain it had the same number of Gnomons (Gn) at both locations, but we'll have to wait for the reports to come in from GIT (Gnomic Institute of Technocracy)

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    2. Re:lost in transport? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      We smoked some of the gnome on the way over. Sorry.

  14. Great news for dieters! by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    You are allowed one more chocolate chip cookie at the Equator than on the South Pole.

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    1. Re:Great news for dieters! by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      If "one more cookie" equals 0.6% of your total cookie consumption, then you're eating over 1600 cookies. Somehow this does not seem like a typical "dieter".

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    2. Re:Great news for dieters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really? 0.6% of 1600 = 9.6

      Perhaps you had a sugar rush

    3. Re:Great news for dieters! by treeves · · Score: 1

      1 / 0.006 = 166.66...
      One more cookie per calendar quarter maybe?

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  15. They did this experiment with a garden gnome. by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

    That's what they did.

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  16. Traspeed by tepples · · Score: 2

    Does it also test the Earth's travelocity?

    Imagine a travel agency called "Traspeed". It'd be like Hotwire or Priceline, filling unused seats on a flight and unused rooms in a hotel. Except you wouldn't even get to pick where your vacation will be, just "a ski resort" or "a beach resort" or "an amusement park" or the like. So you never know where you're going, but you know how fast you'll get there.

    1. Re:Traspeed by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      That'd actually be quite fun, if it was cheap enough. I'd be kind of concerned about safety though.

    2. Re:Traspeed by organgtool · · Score: 2

      So you never know where you're going, but you know how fast you'll get there.

      Instead of "Traspeed", may I suggest "Heisencation"?

  17. So much for my greenhouse idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dang it I was going to build a greenhouse at the pole and grow medicinal marijuana and sell it on the Internet. Now I can't as I'll lose too much money on customers at the equator.

  18. Hypothesized? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

    We learned in school that the standard gravity is 9.83 m/s^2 at the poles and 9.78 m/s^2 at the equator. That was more than 15 years ago, so I would say it is a known fact and not a hypothesis?

  19. Seriously? Hypothesized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it's not like anyone's been, say, calibrating pendulum clocks at different latitudes, ever.

    Nice slashvertisement for Kern, though.

  20. So the South Pole Gnome was iced up . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    . . . and the equator Gnome had sweated off those extra grams . . .

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  21. Earth != sphere by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    The earth's shape is a geoid, which is flattened compared to a sphere. Because the distance from center of mass to the surface is smaller at the poles than at the equator, gravity is stronger at the poles, and the weight of an equal mass is greater.

    1. Re:Earth != sphere by rHBa · · Score: 1

      So if you wanted to feel the greatest possible gravitational force for a given mass you should squash it into a flat disk and stand in the middle?

    2. Re:Earth != sphere by k31bang · · Score: 1

      The earth's shape is a geoid [wikipedia.org], which is flattened compared to a sphere [wikipedia.org].

      So what you're saying, if i read this like a standard slashdotter, is that the earth is flat? I think there is a society i need to join now.

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    3. Re:Earth != sphere by tepples · · Score: 1

      Only if your stereotype of a Slashdot user includes not reading the linked pages. From the second page I linked: "an aspect ratio of 0.99664717". That's not flat enough to notice very easily.

    4. Re:Earth != sphere by meustrus · · Score: 1

      No, because in that case the force would not be straight down, but mostly transverse and the mass to your left would cancel out the mass to your right. The center of gravity may still be right beneath you but unless it's something close to a sphere you can't approximate the gravitational force as all coming from the center of gravity.

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  22. Missing from the summary. by MasseKid · · Score: 2

    1) The object's mass
    2) The object's theoretical weight difference at the different locations
    3) The error bounds on the measurement.

    Without any of this, I have no idea if this is shocking news, or merely expected. And I'm on slash dot, while it might be contained within the article, I don't come here to RTFA.

    1. Re:Missing from the summary. by mmontour · · Score: 1

      Without any of this, I have no idea if this is shocking news, or merely expected.

      It's just a publicity stunt. The actual science has been done already, in much greater detail without any gnomes.

  23. Temperature Compensation (NT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...

  24. Only one question though by Henriok · · Score: 1

    Will Kern blend?

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  25. Last act by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 2

    Afterwards, did they blast it into space?

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  26. really scientific...really by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Why did they use a garden gnome? Simple! If you read slashdot a lot, you'll recall that large, perfectly spherical metal balls that weigh precisely 1KG are notoriously inaccurate and change weights on a whim, lol.
    By the way, the temperature difference alone is enough to mess up the scale, let alone atmospheric pressure.

    1. Re:really scientific...really by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hush! We're working hard here to make the Gnome (gn) the new SI unit for mass. Don't you dare mess with the Great Order of The Gnome!

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  27. Is this News?! by tibit · · Score: 1

    All I have to say is: no shit, Sherlock! This is news how, again?

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  28. knowing the sun rises in the east by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    and sets in the west, if you were in a spaceship directly above the north pole looking down on earth which direction is the earth rotating? (counter-clockwise) what if you put a garden gnome at the north pole with one of those geeky propeller hats so the rotation of the earth gave it a slight lift and another gnome at the south pole with a geeky propeller hat so it has a slight lift too, (not sure where i am going with this but just thought i would throw it in the pot 0' gold)

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  29. yes but they are claiming that the spin by decora · · Score: 1

    changes gravity.

    i.e. they are specifically claiming that 'gravity is different due to the spin'. but the spin is only relevant in that the earth's "geoid" shape is thought to be due to the spin. the spin itself doesnt change how gravity works. at least not that i am aware of. if the earth stopped spinning all of a sudden, but remained a geoid... then the gravity at the poles wouldn't change, nor would the gravity at the equator. the only thing gone would be the centripetal acceleration due to spin. things would 'weigh less' because they lacked centripetal acceleration not because gravity suddenly changed.

    an interesting question about your point is this - if you take stuff to the top of a mountain, does it weigh 'more' or 'less' than at sea level?

    1. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by kiwimate · · Score: 2

      an interesting question about your point is this - if you take stuff to the top of a mountain, does it weigh 'more' or 'less' than at sea level?

      More. High school physics teaches us that F=(GM1M2)/R squared

    2. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by enrgeeman · · Score: 2

      You mean less, I hope. It weighs less at the top of a mountain than it would at sea level because the distance(R) is bigger.

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    3. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Ack, sorry, yes. My bad. Apparently my university maths did dreadful things to my high school physics.

    4. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by cwebster · · Score: 2

      changes gravity.

      i.e. they are specifically claiming that 'gravity is different due to the spin'. but the spin is only relevant in that the earth's "geoid" shape is thought to be due to the spin. the spin itself doesnt change how gravity works. at least not that i am aware of. if the earth stopped spinning all of a sudden, but remained a geoid... then the gravity at the poles wouldn't change, nor would the gravity at the equator. the only thing gone would be the centripetal acceleration due to spin. things would 'weigh less' because they lacked centripetal acceleration not because gravity suddenly changed.

      an interesting question about your point is this - if you take stuff to the top of a mountain, does it weigh 'more' or 'less' than at sea level?

      The spin does cause the Earth to be shaped like an oblate spheroid as you mention but it does alter the gravity you experience as well. The local balance of forces if you are at rest relative to the Earth involves gravitational force and an apparent force (centrifugal) caused by centripetal acceleration. This alters your effective gravity that you experience ever so slightly (ie g_eff = g_newtonian + f_cent, where f is a specific force [units ms-2 or N/kg]) .

    5. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference in measured weight is due to both. The pull of gravity is less at the equator because the surface of the Earth is further from the center at the equator than it is at the poles. In addition, there is a centrifugal force caused by the spin which reduces the measured weight by an additional amount.

    6. Re:yes but they are claiming that the spin by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

      That's because in university both the mathematicians and the physicists are constantly trying to make the others contributions simple child's play that is an offshoot of their own area of expertise. The university math profs were bound to make you doubt, even if unconciously, anything that you might have thought you knew about physics from before you entered their domain. Your university maths would like nothing more than to do dreadful things to your high school physics.

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  30. correction things would 'weigh more' w/o spin by decora · · Score: 2

    and if the earth sped up by a huge amount, things would 'weigh' a lot less. in fact, some things would go flying off into space... if earths outer edge somehow managed to reach escape velocity (in some unimaginable cataclysm). gravity itself wouldn't have changed though.

  31. Amalie by overshoot · · Score: 1

    Dang, those gnomes get around.

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  32. Physics FAIL by Arancaytar · · Score: 2

    the intrepid ornament weighed 309.82 grams versus 307.86 grams at the equator, a difference of 0.6%

    This sentence is completely without sense. Barring relativistic effects, the object's mass in grams remains constant. One of those masses is correct (possibly), the other is a measuring error introduced by a scale not calibrated correctly for local gravity. The actual discrepancy is in the weight of the object in Newtons. This is, like, middle-school physics stuff.

    That's like using an iron yardstick to determine that one meter in summer is equal to about 1.005 meters in winter, and conclude that space itself expands and contracts.

    1. Re:Physics FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apologize for being AC, but I don't like logging in from public computers.

      As much as I would normally be one to line up with all the other pedants on this issue, I have to step out of line this time.

      You mentioned the scale not being calibrated for local gravity, this is exactly what they intended to measure. This was a scale manufacturer that decided to take their scales, place them at various points around the world and weigh a reference mass to show how gravity varies, and presumably show that their scales are accurate enough to to detect changes in gravity as some sort of marketing ploy. As you seem to clearly understand, mass can correspond with weight in a constant gravitational field, many scales use this relationship. For example, my bathroom scale measures force normal (weight) yet gives me a reading in kilograms which is a unit of mass. I'm pretty sure my bathroom scale was not calibrated for local gravity meaning that the mass is almost certainly off, but does it really need to be THAT accurate? It's a bathroom scale. Also, even though grams are the SI unit for mass, many people in the world use grams/kilograms on their bathroom scales and many of those same people don't know the difference between mass and weight nor do they probably care.

  33. What is the difference by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    What is the difference between a Dwarf and a Gnome?

    ... Dwarves ... are real.
    -Gnome Saying
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOBDSA3rqQ

  34. KERN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  35. Atmospheric Pressure by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

    But wouldn't the column of air above the scale in the one region be a different weight than the other? That means that the starting '0' displayed on the scale would be different - thereby giving a false starting point to begin with. IOW if the scale were empty in one region it would disply '0' then when they took it to the other region - without any adjustments - when it had nothing on it, it would not display a '0' correct?

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    1. Re:Atmospheric Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But wouldn't the column of air above the scale in the one region be a different weight than the other? That means that the starting '0' displayed on the scale would be different - thereby giving a false starting point to begin with. IOW if the scale were empty in one region it would disply '0' then when they took it to the other region - without any adjustments - when it had nothing on it, it would not display a '0' correct?

      pressure works both ways: It pushes up as much as it pushes down. hydrostatics, you know. you would see a difference only against a volume with some fixed pressure inside (that way you can measure air pressure)

  36. The same scale? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming they use the same counter weights at both locations, how do they get different results?
    If they used one of those electric scales that measures the change in the length of a piece of metal, did they account for the scale shrinking due to the temperature difference?
    0.6% seems like a large number, but since they don't mention the expected variation I have no way to tell if it is.

  37. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  38. The REAL reason by mfnickster · · Score: 1

    It's warmer at the equator than at the poles, and everybody knows things weigh less when they heat up. That's why they expand.

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  39. wrong try again by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 0

    A garden gnome's weight in newtons or pounds may change depending on local gravity and acceleration. Its mass specified in grams does not change unless you add or remove material.

  40. Natural selection! by dsrg · · Score: 2

    I once heard that the reason everything falls downwards is that everything that falls UPWARDS (or sideways) have long since disappeared into space, and have therefore not been able to breed. So everything that's still here on Earth has the "fall downwards"-gene still present.

    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNZuOHnFDk (In Swedish, but you get the idea.)

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  41. Calibrated for each market by tepples · · Score: 1

    Bathroom scales don't need to be as precise. In the United States, for example, they're marked "not legal for trade". But perhaps it's calibrated for the center of the populated portion of the state or territory where it is sold, and its internal kgf to kg conversion is indeed accurate to 0.1% within that area. For example, scales shipped to the Northern Territory would be calibrated differently from scales destined for New South Wales or Victoria.

  42. I'm surprised no one has raised this... by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    Has an equivalent test been done with KDE?

  43. Eötvös Effect by WebManWalking · · Score: 1

    Earth's spin affecting weight measurement is hundred year old, settled science. In fact, even the direction of travel has a measurable effect:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_effect

    But, hey, science is all about reproducible results right? Nice to see they reproduce so well.

  44. Only of little use, they could have used an elf!.. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    The gnome was of little use ; they could have used an elf instead !

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