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China Plans To End Executed Prisoner Organ Donations Within 5 Years
An anonymous reader writes "China said that it planned to end the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners within five years, according to the state media report on Friday. Instead, China's vice minister of health Dr. Huang Jiefu said that the country will rely on a new national donation system for organ transplants at a conference in the city of Hangzhou on Thursday."
Quit pulling my leg.
one of the few things that China did that actually seemed to make sense.
on the firewall of china, then the closure of a controversial forced organ donation program. hm....
the optomistic me says china has finally decided to become a socialist democracy like switzerland. full healthcare for the masses, equal job for equal pay, clean air and fresh water and heck even a pound of tea and a stockpot of porkbelly for everyone. who needs the american trade model, lets cash in and build a better tomorrow for us all!
but seriously this is probably a controlled set of government reform actions designed to bolster trust and confidence in the chinese people. The party is largely viewed as a corrupt capitalist dictatorship, and has been the target of an escalating number of street protests recently.
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It would be nice if China's end to organ harvesting from executed prisoners was a believable measure, but there is too much saving of face in that country. Administrative costs and bribery in China, given that issue, would mean that 5 years leaves too much time and opportunity to cancel it(with political pressure) or time used to move it deeper away from public view.
If they're willing to pull all the stops to defend their own factories (a la Foxconn) to defend the indefensible, I'd imagine it'd not be something that is going to end.
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At first I thought, "Wow! Somebody actually considered the ethics of this program," but then I read, "Organ donations from prisoners were not ideal because rates of fungal and bacterial infection in prisoner organs were quite high, and affected the long-term survival rates of those who undergo the transplants." So, confronted with the need to improve the incubation environment for their organ supply and consequently the living conditions of their wards, they choose instead to ditch the program. And just like that my cynicism is once again vindicated. Wretched!
Will we see a growth of vigilantes because of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilante
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squads
One could see this as move to privatize the business, favoring an entrepreneurial attitude!
Very scary.
Those organs would be LOST anyway... Their not beating their wife, they save peoples by ripping of organs from those who actually killed their wife or someone else. Sound good to me. It should be "We'll stop when we'll be able to grow them in lab" instead.
We should do that here too, as long as we can't grow theses in lab for cheap.
I can't call that English
China Plans To End Executed Prisoner Organ Donations Within 5 Years
This word, "donations", I do not think it means what you think it means.
Don't blame timothy, it's his job to edit (so we should be complaining about his mistakes in that area). Blame the people who up-voted the article on the Firehose.
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Seriously, why?
The countries that have voluntary donation programs are in a constant shortage for most organs. Taking them from people who are dead only shocks us because of antiquated remainders of religious nonsense, and not even that is thought through very well (your soul apparently doesn't need your body, so why would it need some parts?).
People who get the death sentence have a very serious debt to society. Let's ignore for the moment whether or not you agree with what people in China get the death sentence for, or the death sentence in general. Even if you don't like it, you can not deny the reality.
If you have forfeit your life to society, then why not the parts that remain? It's not like you'd have any use for them, or that taking some organs out of a corpse would be any more evil, wrong or whatever than killing someone in the first place.
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With so many China stories in the past couple of days, I'm starting to wonder if slashdot is becoming the US outlet for Xinhua news.
Nerds need organs too!!
Why not have those convicted and set for execution sign a form, stating that they would/wouldn't want their bodies donated for organ-harvesting or to science? I remember a case from years and years ago, wherein the executed man chose to donate his body to scientists who wanted to make a 3D "travel" from feet to scalp by slicing the body into paper-width pieces and using computer-imaging to put it altogether, as if it was a flip-book. Gruesome, yes, but the executed knew where their body was going. And, seriously, the video displaying the results WAS super-cool.
I doubt every prisoner sentenced to the death penalty would tick 'yes' on the form, but it gives a level of respect in making it an option. I'm sure some would be glad to do it, as they might see it as a small way to forgive themselves of their crimes--if they regret them, anyway, but some honestly do.
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In the US, the execution techniques usually used would leave the organs unsuitable for re-use. They would either be saturated with toxins (lethal injection) or cooked (electric chair).
In China, the usual method of execution is a bullet into the back of the head.
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They need 5 years to get a good DNA collection/cataloging system in place to identify potential donors. Then they will decide it's better for society to continue harvesting the organs. Joys of big government and centralized control.
In China, most of the organs for transplantation are harvested on such condemned. It will take time to develop other means of obtaining them (considering the cultural reluctance, I do not think 5 years will be enough).
Welcome to the global news, where crap from a country an ocean away from yours washes up on your evening news simply because that country is powerful and important to yours for political and economic reasons.
Uh, I'm talking european news including US stories, of course. Maybe.
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Almost...
We're already running a largely for-profit prison system in this country. Forgive me if I don't trust that sort of system with "organ donations". There is already too high of an incentive to jail people for non-violent drug related crimes as it is.
I agree. If it's a real problem now, then discontinue it now. The "we'll stop doing it in five years" claim may well mean that they never stop doing it.
What percentage of organs are actually from convicted felons ?
If the answer is "miniscule" then it makes sense to do whatever
pisses people off the least.
I, personally, am far more concerned about doctors declaring me dead
when I am "not dead yet".
. . . so I'll just keep all the rest of them when I am dead, just out of spite, thanks.
Are there any religious or cultural issues, that discourage folks in different countries from donating organs? Is there any ranking of organ donating cultures?
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Dick Cheney's new heart has "Made In China" stamped on it. Just sayin'.. you know.. the timing of the two stories... just sayin'
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You must be old here.
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Donald Trump, in I forget which TV show, estimated the value of a human body to be worth around $23 million. I for one am not going to give that away when I die, not when my family could benefit from it. Currently the hospitals don't even borther to cover funeral expenses after you give them your extremely valuable organs, which are likely worth more then the life insurance policy your making payments on. Why do we have a system like this?
I think all you would need is some kind of modified durable power of attorney in place, prior to death, that transfers ownership of your cadaver to a beneficiary who can part you out to the highest bidders. I would imagine the cryonics industry would be able to capitalize on this, they have already proven the ability to reanimate individual organs.
Why does everything have to be a five year plan with China? http://youtu.be/CdtAFIl2jhc?t=17s
Because nerds don't read science fiction (i.e., Larry Niven)?
Sending criminals to the organ banks, and dropping the level of crime that gets one sent there, is the subject of a number of his stories. Also, I expect that the Chinese have Mother Hunts, another trophe from the pre-Kzin War period of Known Space.
In Western Australia it has been suggest that all organs are harvested unless you say otherwise. interesting points of view.
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And even if the USofA kills way fewer people than our bestest fwends in commie China, the exoneration rate for those lucky enough to get a review by the innocence project suggest that in the history of the "Land of the free" hundreds of wrongfully convicted/innocent have been KILLED, mostly to make a political point or make a career look "good".
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You wouldn't accept a pledge from Santorum to stop beating his wife within 5 years.
That would rank among Santorum's least ideas.
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It's not a "donation", when they kill you and take it from you.
They already do convince prisoners to sign a consent form. They just don't bother telling them that the organs will be harvested immediately after a shot to the chest, while the prisoner is still alive.
Fucking gruesome, sadistic world we live in.
Do you really think that the private prison industry would be better? As it is America now beats out China when it comes to slave prison labour and private enterprise continuously pushes for harsher sentences.
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For this to pay off, they'd have to execute a lot more people per day than they're going to be able to investigate.
As usual, the fear of bad consequences trumps common sense in the human world. We quiver like mice.
In the meantime, there are a lot of violent criminals out there. They not only contribute nothing, but take lives away.
In death, they can actually give something back, even if it's just a few organs.
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how does his nickname alter the argument?
Is it a coincidence that a week after former Vice President Dick Cheney gets a heart transplant that China ends forced organ donations?