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NYC Bans Mention of Dinosaurs, Dancing, Birthdays On Student Tests

New submitter SchroedingersCat writes "New York educators banned references to 'dinosaurs,' 'birthdays,' 'Halloween' and dozens of other topics on city-issued tests. That is because they fear such topics 'could evoke unpleasant emotions in the students.' Dinosaurs, for example, call to mind evolution, which might upset fundamentalists; birthdays are not celebrated by Jehovah's Witnesses; and Halloween suggests paganism. Homes with swimming pools and home computers are also unmentionables — because of economic sensitivities. The city asks test companies to exclude 'creatures from outer space' as well — for unspecified reasons."

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  1. April fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    April 1st is a few days away still yet...

    1. Re:April fools by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's what I was thinking, is this an Onion article that got out of control?

      They live in New York. Isn't the slogan "Fuck you and piss on your corpse."?

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    2. Re:April fools by Genda · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, no can do... the earth is only 6,000 years old, in fact the universe is only 6,000 years old and all them fossils were the result of the great flood! God has an incredible sense of humor... he created a brand new universe that was already 14 billion years old, just to test our faith. Who do you believe, your eyes or God?

    3. Re:April fools by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How old is Maggie Simpson, or Mickey Mouse? I'm not saying that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but if a God did create something to look 14 billion years old, then that's how old it would look despite our best testing.

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    4. Re:April fools by CaptainLugnuts · · Score: 5, Funny

      That all the freaks live upstate?

    5. Re:April fools by Monchanger · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's been a long time since I studied this in detail back in school, but I'm pretty sure that Maggie Simpson and Mickey Mouse are "fiction".

      Kind of like the story of creation.

    6. Re:April fools by ancienthart · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, basically you're saying that God is the spiritual/intellectual equivalent of a Rick-Roller?

    7. Re:April fools by PremiumCarrion · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm more upset that my religion which bans mention of the words "new", "york" and "city" hasn't been considered.

      Damn those insensitive clods who I'm unable to refer to.

    8. Re:April fools by philip.paradis · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think he's saying God is more like this.

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    9. Re:April fools by FrootLoops · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's just a test. God values faith very highly, far above living morally (which is impossible). Making scientific evidence which contradicts His word is just a way to solidify our faith.

      The righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.
              - Romans 3:21

      All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."

      Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
              - Galatians 3:10-11, 23-25

      Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.
              - James 1:2-3

      The science is wrong. It's just a test. No matter what people say I will keep my faith. God told me to expect this in advance:

      Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
              - Luke 6:22

      Now go away. I've got other things to think about:

      Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
              - Philippians 4:6-8

      ...like pure, lovely, honest gay butt sex between men who love each other.

    10. Re:April fools by Benaiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its funny that on the front page of /. we have an article belittling Europe's treatment of free speech and we have this article that says NY'ers can't even talk about dinosaurs because you might upset someone?

    11. Re:April fools by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called omphalism, and the minute you invoke it to explain away inconvenient time spans, you open the door to concepts like Last Thursdayism. If God can make a 6,000 year old universe look 13.8 billion years old, then why not a six second old universe look 13.8 billion years old? At the end of the day, it's just another form of epistemological nihilism

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    12. Re:April fools by MadFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But I am serious! Gay butt sex between loving men is fine for Gentiles [== not(Jews)] post-Jesus. For while it is written in the Law of Moses that

      If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13

      it is also written in the New Testament that

      ...some...said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

      [The council concluded] we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God [by requiring them to follow the whole Law of Moses]. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood." - Acts 15:5, 19-20

      Now sexual immorality is a rather vague phrase which I take to mean rape and generally non-consensual sex. You might be a little confused by the scattered references to homosexuality in Paul's letters which seem to imply that homosexuality is sexually immoral. However,

      Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders ... will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9

      discusses homosexual offenders, that is, people who break the law. Since sodomy is not illegal in my country, we're fine there. Next,

      What a cop out. The above quote in Leviticus 20:13, sets the law from God. Arguing that it isn't against the law of USA doesn't mean anything to the "kingdom of God". You could argue that in some African country it is legal to rape and kill, and hence "we're fine there", Next.

      For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, ..., or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. - 1 Timothy 1:9-11

      Here one must practice homosexuality for it to be a sin. The people I was imagining weren't actively practicing their technique; they simply did what came naturally. Some translations don't even list sodomy/homosexuality here, so the interpretation is also debatable. Finally we have,

      Here one must practice killing their father for it to be a sin. If you only do it once then it isn't a sin because you only killed your father once. About "what came naturally": The argument here is that homosexuality isn't normal. The argument goes along the lines of a male is designed for a female. and the union there of is a symbol of the relationship of God to Jews and Jesus to Gentiles. Because some closed closet homos decided to rewrite verse to make homos not listed there, doesn't subtract to what was written.

      ...God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. - Romans 1:26-27

      This one is trickier to interpret correctly. What is an "indecent act" or a "natural relation"? For gay men, an indecent or unnatural act would be sex with a woman.

      I call BS on that. There isn't Male, Female, Gay, Les, there are only Male & Female. For a gay man it's still an unnatural act even if he prefers & love doing it.

      The men u

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  2. Nobody... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...puts T-Rex in a corner.

  3. Hmm by lightknight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And there was a time when people would strive to find things that challenged them, if only to learn more about themselves.

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    1. Re:Hmm by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      RTamerica has more about WHY they did this. The reasons ALMOT make sense..... if you want children to grow-up with no ability to deal with stressful words/ideas.

      "Dinosaurs were thrown out, for example, as they call to mind evolution, which might upset fundamentalists. Birthdays shouldnâ(TM)t be mentioned because they arenâ(TM)t celebrated by Jehovahâ(TM)s Witnesses. Halloween appeared on the black list as it suggests paganism. Dancing is taboo, because some sects object..... Terrorism was considered too scary. Poverty is on the forbidden list as well as words that suggest wealth because they could make kids jealous. Divorces, as well as diseases, are also set to be forbidden in order to not traumatize kids having relatives who split from spouses or are ill.

      "Officials say they are simply trying to avoid topics that "could evoke unpleasant emotions in the students.' " - http://rt.com/usa/news/school-test-list-ban-656/

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    2. Re:Hmm by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd love to know how they can call this 'No Child Left Behind' if they're never picked up in the first place. Seriously, they expect their kids to compete in the Real World when they can't teach natural history, history, science, and math?

      Oh, well, it was an interesting civilization while it lasted. Time for my Mandarin lesson...

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    3. Re:Hmm by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More important, why are we letting the mouth breathers and knuckle draggers dictate what our children will experience?

      Slow down. City-mandated standardized progress tests should not be the only thing that your children experience. You get to dictate what they experience at home. The "professional educators" get to dictate what they experience at school.

      That latter statement is why "we" are letting TMB and KD dictate, because we've turned the education of the children over to professionals that get paid to keep studying what the best way to educate children is. "Common sense" would mean an end to almost all education degrees and grants for education research.

      I lived through the change from "old math" to "new math". I saw the math that kids were being taught a few years ago and it bore no resemblance to math as far as I could tell. I no longer wonder why high school graduates can't figure out your change when they sell you a burger.

      Now, for the people who are insulting the yokels upstate and blaming them for this, if you read the fine article, you'd note that it is New York City officials calling for this, not New York State or Syracuse or Albany or Buffalo or Rochester.

      Are we in fact trying to homogenize our young into a consistent state of profound stupidity? Is that now the goal of public education?

      We are trying to equalize outcomes because equal outcomes is a measurement proxy for equal opportunity. If all the kids get the same score on tests, then they all obviously had equal opportunity to learn. (If there are 5% of male students playing school-organized softball then "equal opportunity" means that there will be 5% of female students playing school-organized softball. Even if only 1% of the female students want to play softball. This IS how schools are evaluated in Oregon.)

      Equalizing outcomes means slowing down the faster learners, thus bringing the average down, further lowering the "average standards", slowing the faster learners down even more. We're seeing the unanticipated consequences of valuing self-esteem over knowledge.

  4. Nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know something is wrong when real life seems like a South Park episode.

    1. Re:Nuts by Bodhammer · · Score: 5, Funny
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  5. Aren't they missing something? by Hartree · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shouldn't they just ban the tests, since tests make many students feel uncomfortable?

    1. Re:Aren't they missing something? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

    2. Re:Aren't they missing something? by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My PolSci prof went on a rant today (after explicitly singling out the Education students) about how teachers are actually glorified HR managers trained to "identify problems and then direct them towards a specialist" in order to conform and "normalize" children, and that any "learning" that happens along the way is purely accidental. Then he accused the entire class of being illiterate (having seen several of our written-in-class short essay/exams) but clarified it by stating that no one needs to learn learn to spell anyways; we just need to learn to use a computer (eg: spell check).

      It was part of a larger rant on historicism, positivism, and the soulless guts of a technological society.

      He's a pretty entertaining prof.
      His exams do suck though.

  6. Great by Cosgrach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is about the stupidest thing that I have read all day. These people need to grow up.

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    1. Re:Great by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These people need to grow up.

      Poor choice of words. Adults are far more bitchy when it comes to hurt feelings than kids. Kids cry it out when their feelings get hurt, 5 mins later, they've forgotten about it. Grownups make idiotic, shortsighted changes in the laws when they get their feelings hurt.

    2. Re:Great by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This isn't about bitchiness, it's just another stupid sensationalist headline amplified by slashdot, as usual lately.

      None of these things are banned from curriculum, nor are they banned from being spoken of our taught.

      The purpose of avoiding emotionally-laden terms on standardized tests is prevent biasing the test against any students. It is amply proven that emotional influences interfere with what the test is supposed to be measuring - knowledge and ability. Since this impact would be different on kids with different cultural backgrounds, those questions would be biased one way or another. This is simply a matter of good test design by eliminating unwanted variables.

      But whatever. Everybody go back to your ignorant whinging. No need to know anything about what you're commenting on when you've got "common sense" on your side.

    3. Re:Great by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh look, if I look at CBS New York, there is a fuller article saying that it is a list of suggested words that may be banned from tests.

      And the CBS story has the whole list of words being mulled over.

      In other words, the debate over what should on the list is ongoing.

      The reason for this is that you want to make tests that are fair to everyone. If you're going to make a math test with word problems, you don't bring up the subject of murder. The obvious drawback is that it makes tests boring. Big fucking deal.

      TFS and The Post has taken this to mean they are already banned and that this is just more "educrat nonsense" and it's written in such breathless style (they even use the word bizarre to describe it) merely to be inflammatory. It's journalistic porn.

      While I agree the list, as it stands, is sub-optimal, it doesn't mean that the list is final and that it's probably likely that the list is going to get a lot shorter.

      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/war-on-words-nyc-dept-of-education-wants-50-forbidden-words-removed-from-standardized-tests/

      I told you there was more to this, but hey, let everyone believe the fucking Post. The Post is in the business of selling newspapers, not news.

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  7. Leaked question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Question: A man walks into his house and flips the switch to his 60-watt lightbulb for 8 hours. How many kWh does the lightbulb use?

    Answer: None, because his electricity was disconnected several months ago due to the economic downturn.

    1. Re:Leaked question by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Question: A man walks into his house and flips the switch to his 60-watt lightbulb for 8 hours. How many kWh does the lightbulb use?

      Answer: you cannot answer the question because the lightbulb is a modern CFL that is rated at 60W for light output but uses much less energy. The amount of energy depends on the specific brand and how modern the bulb is. Oops, the correct answer is "close to zero" because the CFL just burned out, but the electronics in the base still draw current anyway. (For "lightbulbs" that last so long, I seem to be replacing them on a regular basis.)

  8. I also propose to ban by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Test", because it evokes unpleasant emotions.
    "New York", because it could be associated with stupidity.
    "Student", because that could be mistaken for somebody that wants to learn and has an open mind.

    Seriously, there is a limit. Modern human beings should have a reasonable level of tolerance for ideas that are not their own, and only reject them after they have looked at them carefully. (Yes, that includes actually looking at creationism and concluding for yourself that it is stupid.) They absolutely must have an open mind for all things scientific.

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    1. Re:I also propose to ban by pseudofrog · · Score: 5, Funny

      1) Find something I don't like.
      2) Assert that it "comes with liberalism."
      3) Raaage...raaaaaaaaage on the internet.
      4) Pretend that's what Jesus would have done.

    2. Re:I also propose to ban by Skidborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      As one of the fundy nutjobs, I'd like to say that this is ban is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.

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  9. Questions on Faith & Humanity? by malraid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope they get rid of those two. Because I just lost all my faith in humanity. “I Don't Want to Live on this Planet Anymore”

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  10. Yea, this helps, all right. by Cazekiel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dinosaurs, for example, call to mind evolution, which might upset fundamentalists; birthdays are not celebrated by Jehovah's Witnesses; and Halloween suggests paganism.

    Once again, religious sensitivities prevail over having an eclectic set of experiences in the world around us. And mentioning swimming pools equates to classism? We're asking our kids to not acknowledge things in existence. What next? Closing down art museums because holy-hell, some features paintings with naked people? For real, can we get a grip already? Dinosaurs. They're worried about mentioning. Fucking. Dinosaurs.

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    1. Re:Yea, this helps, all right. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Funny

      This makes perfect sense to me, you see this Dinosaur from outer-space decided to have a pool party for his birthday but no one came. He didn't relize that it was Halloween and all his friends where out trick or treating. Well he was so upset he made a map of his school in and practiced his assault using doom3. Latter that week he followed his plan a put peanuts all over the school and all the students died of allergic reactions. Of course that evil Dinosaur was a Fox news watching Muslim member of the the tea-party. It did happen but the media covered it all up a friend of mine was there and told me. You see real problem was that he was sensitive to EM radiation and the wifi drove him crazy. I blame it on his getting vaccinated as a child Dinosaur from outer space.

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    2. Re:Yea, this helps, all right. by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They banned mention of Halloween becZause it suggests paganism. How do they suppose that makes the Pagan kids feel? They have just been told (indirectly) by the state that the mere mention of their religion is offensive.

    3. Re:Yea, this helps, all right. by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd propose a ban on religion. I'd be willing to settle out of the legislature if religious people would agree to also stop trying to push their legislative agendas on the rest of us.

  11. A British Test by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

    MATHS TEST FOR STATE SCHOOLS
    Name:
    Nickname:
    Gang Name:

    1. Simon has 0.5 kilos of cocaine. If he sells an 8 ball to Matt for 300 quid and 90 grams to Ollie
    for 90 quid, what is the street value of the rest of his hold?

    2. Damon pimps 3 bitches. If the price is GBP40 a ride, how many jobs per day must each bitch
    perform to support Damon's GBP500 a day coke habit?

    3. Crackster wants to cut the kilo of cocaine he bought for 7,000 quid to make a 20% profit. How
    many grams of Strychnine will he need?

    4. Trev got 6 years for murder. He also got GBP350,000 for the hit. If his common law wife
    spends GBP33,100 per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?
    Extra Credit Bonus: How much more time will Trev get for killing the slapper that spent his
    money?

    5. If an average can of spray paint covers 22 square metres and the average letter is 1 square metre,
    how many letters can be sprayed with eight fluid ounce cans of spray paint with 20% extra paint
    free ?

    6. Liam steals Jordan's skateboard. As Liam skates away at a speed of 35mph, Jordan loads his
    brother's Armalite. If it takes Jordan 20 seconds to load the gun, how far will Liam have travelled
    when he gets whacked?

    MATHS TEST FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS
    Name:

    (If longer please continue on a separate sheet)
    School:
    Daddy's/Mummy's Company:

    1. Harry smashes up the old man's car, causing x amount of damage and killing 3 people. The old
    man asks his local Chief Constable to intervene in the court system, then forges his insurance claim
    and receives a payment of y. The difference between x and y is three times the life insurance
    settlement for the three dead people. What kind of car is Harry driving now?

    2. Fiona's personal shopper decides to substitute generic and own-brand products for the designer
    goods favoured by her employer. In the course of a month she saves the price of a return ticket to
    Fiji and Fiona doesn't even notice the difference. Is she thick or what?

    3. Tristram fancies the arse off a certain number of debutants, but he only has enough Rohypnol left
    to render 33.3% unconscious. If he has 14 tablets of Rohypnol, how is he ever going to shag the
    other two thirds?

    4. If Verity throws up 4 times a day for a week she can fit into a size 8 Versace. If she only throws
    up 3 times a day for two weeks, she has to make do with a size 10 Dolce & Gabbana. How much
    does liposuction cost?

    5. Henry is unsure about his sexuality. Three days a week he fancies women. On the other days he
    fancies men, ducks and vacuum cleaners. However he only has access to the Hoover every third
    week. When will he stand for parliament?

    1. Re:A British Test by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

      Brillo! But, it's LSD that you cut down with strych, mate! Coke is don ewith laxitive powder.

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    2. Re:A British Test by nasalicio · · Score: 5, Funny

      Congrats, you pass! A+

  12. Why JWs don't celebrate birthdays by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a reason JWs don't celebrate birthdays. Both mentions of birthdays in the Bible, one in the Hebrew Scriptures and one in the Greek Scriptures, ended up with the birthday boy ordering someone's execution. See Genesis 40:20-22 and Mark 6:21-27.

    1. Re:Why JWs don't celebrate birthdays by Cazekiel · · Score: 4, Funny

      My birthday's coming up on Sunday, April 1st. I celebrate it, even though I can't tell you how many times I was subjected to intricate pranks. The worst one? When I was around 9 or 10, my mom came into my room to wake me up and said, "Hey... it snowed a ton last night, and they canceled school," only to leap outta bed, look out my window and see nothing but sunshine and green grass. The scarring. Oh, the scarring... I may as WELL have been executed. Woe is me!

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    2. Re:Why JWs don't celebrate birthdays by darthnoodles · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was a Jehovah's Witness for the first 30-odd years of my life, and neither me nor the many hundreds of other Jehovah's Witnesses that I knew would have ever been offended by the mention of birthdays in a test. Why are they being over-sensitive in retarded ways?

  13. Test limitations by danielpauldavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone realize that some test-takers don't know what a "pillow" is? So yeah, the poor kid will stare at some word, wondering what it is, get a worse than accurate score, because the test is testing something that WASN'T TAUGHT IN CLASS. That's what this little rule is trying to avoid. Fair testing for all. 'Bout time.

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  14. Re:Barney is fucked! by Chrutil · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's 'independant' thought?

    I think it's slang for a thought locked inside a necklace.

  15. Years ago .. by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

    I knew a woman who worked as a kindergarten teacher. She had a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses kids in her class. When any of those JW kids annoyed her past her tolerance limit (which if you are a Kindergarten teacher must be pretty high to start with) she would send home a note to the parent mentioning that they would be celebrating another kids birthday that week. When the JW parents saw such notes they would yank their kids from school for that day - thus instant relief! The kicker was that the parents never worked out that they celebrated more birthdays during the year than there were kids in the class.
     
    And to dick with the parents some more she used to make sure all the kids knew how to sing "Happy Birthday".
     
    On the flip side I once had some JW come to the door soliciting their beliefs .. on Christmas day .. with kids in tow. Talk about cruel to the kids.

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    1. Re:Years ago .. by Cazekiel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A small part of me says "dude, that's kind of an abuse of power, not sure I agree with that on an ethical level."

      A large part of me says "FUCK ethics, give that teach a raise."

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    2. Re:Years ago .. by BitwiseX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A large part of me says "FUCK ethics, give that teach a raise."

      We're marking that insightful now? Listen, I was one of those kids. I took shit about my beliefs from teachers and students alike, and when it comes from teachers it will fuck you up majorly. Having someone you are supposed to be able to trust ridicule you for your beliefs or for your family's beliefs. THAT is cruel.
      It is hard to be a JW and go to public schools. It shouldn't be. I thought this was America.

      Christians attacking other Christians..... *sigh*

  16. 1984, anyone? by mark-t · · Score: 3

    It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought ... should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words.

  17. Re:Barney is fucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is you can't mention that 2 + 2 = 4 either because there might be some offended dilholes that believe 2 + 2 = 5. Honestly, we have all kinds of people out there. Some of them believe some pretty outrageous stuff. While you can try to be polite to people of all beliefs, you really can't try to tailor reality to them. If some religious dude doesn't want to hear about dinosaurs, have him go to a religious school or be home schooled. The rest of us can't pretend there weren't any such things. We would be creating a society of people who lacked basic science information and couldn't compete with people from places where education teaches you reality. If some other person's family doesn't believe in celebrating holidays, that's fine - the family has the responsibility to teach the child why they don't agree with having birthday parties and why it "seems" to the kid like they are the only "mean" family on the block. If someone is upset that they don't have a pool (hell, I don't have one), teach them about the value of hard work combined with a smidgeon of luck.

    Reality folks - that's where we live. Believe what you want. My beliefs shouldn't affect you, your beliefs shouldn't affect me. And I sure as hell don't mind having my kids see yachts on a test even though we can't afford one. They can show churches on a test too - even though I don't go to one.

  18. Halloween... by Aryden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and Halloween suggests paganism.

    You mean the religions that most of the christian holidays are based on in the first place?

  19. Re:Yet another problem with government schools by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a problem with everything. The position as you state it is a conservative claim, and an extension of similar claims about such things as the National Endowment for the Arts, which inevitably picks some artists viewpoints (and 'art as a form of speech') to favor over others. it sounds pretty logical to many libertarian types.

    BUT, it applies to everything! (which is what the people who came up with this argument can't stand to see addressed): The Amish don't want their tax dollars spent on grading high speed curves by the Dept of Transportation. The people who seriously believe the Moon landings were fake don't want a NASA budget just to 'do more fake moonshots'. The Pacifists oppose spending anything at all for the Dept of Defense. The anti-vaccine persons oppose the Center for Disease Control, at least as it stands today. Just ask the nation's 50 million Pot smokers if they want a single dime of their taxes to go to the DEA, or even the BATF, FBI, and others. Many people would claim to oppose a tax on moral grounds if it got them a bigger refund (or whatever) regardless of whether they had an actual moral opinion. If every person has a right to not pay taxes if they run counter to his or her beliefs or alleged beliefs, then there will be next to no taxes at all, and government itself becomes unaffordable. Ultimately, you are demanding absolute Anarchy..

    That's fine if you are really an Anarchist. The problem is, are you? Most of the people advancing your argument want it to apply to the parts of government they don't see a need for, and not the rest. Are you willing to apply your argument to Police, Courts, National Defense and such, or just to the things you want "justice tested"
    Do you want all taxes to be voluntary, or do you want some of yourrs to be avoidable while mine continue to be manditory?

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  20. Tragedy of the Commons? by davids-world.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is tyranny of a set of minorities, who all expect to have their irrational beliefs respected and tolerated. Is this another instance of what the ecologist Hardin called the Tragedy of the Commons? By making use of simple, seemingly reasonable demands, a large number of individuals exploits a shared resource (culture, education) up to the point where the total of the actions disables the system. Religious and political freedom may now destroy the education system and with it the environment that makes these freedoms viable in the first place.

  21. Re:Barney is fucked! by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stupid dancing birthday dinosaur.

    I say it's worth it then.

  22. Re:never happen in real life by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The new secret is to propose stuff so preposterous that it numbs the sanity checkers into a coma and then gets passed. I mean, don't "promote religious tolerance", ban everybuddy's favorite prehistoric animal, Dinosaurs, because ... wait for it... a TurboFundy Christian might be upset.

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  23. don't overreact to this one by awilden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I acknowledge the apparent insanity of the political correctness that seems to be the cause of this case, these sorts of exclusions are there for a reason. Tests should evaluate the topics they're designed to evaluate, not grade people on how "normal" their family background is. As an example, my mom was a nurse for a head start preschool and when she was going through records she noticed one kid had been labeled as having a low IQ. She could see he clearly wasn't dumb, so she looked into where the label came from. One of the main causes was that during an IQ test the kid was shown a picture of a birthday cake and he didn't recognize it and said it was a candle pie. A little research showed that he was a member of a religious group that didn't believe in celebrating birthdays, so he literally had never seen a birthday cake before.
    PCness can certainly get out of control, and it sounds like it has in this case, but this is a serious topic. There are consequences for low scores on tests. This kid had been labeled dumb because he had never seen a birthday cake. When low scores are based on some sort of cultural gap, that's punishing kids who come from social groups that are out of the mainstream. Kids from _all_ social groups should be required to learn the same material, and as an example, I strongly object to parents keeping their kids from being taught evolution because of their religious beliefs. At the same time I think it's wrong to test kids on topics related to evolution (including dinosaurs) before the school has taught you about them.

  24. Not pagan, Christian by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Informative

    They banned mention of Halloween because it suggests paganism.

    Hallowe'en is short for "All Hallows Eve" is a Christian feast coming before All Saints Day (see Wikipedia). While it was conveniently timed to coincide with a traditional pagan holiday so was Christmas. Hence Hallowe'en suggests paganism as much as Christmas does.

    I suggest a new rule: those put in charge of education should be required to have had one.

  25. Re:never happen in real life by GungaDan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not so. Shabbat elevators can be found all over NYC.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator

    For those buildings where the True Believer nutjobs can't afford such a fancy elevator, they can simply bring in a Shabbat goy - a non-Jew to do the "work" of button pushing for them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

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