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Medicaid Hacked: Over 181,000 Records and 25,000 SSNs Stolen
An anonymous reader writes "The Utah Department of Health has been hacked. 181,604 Medicaid and CHIP recipients have had their personal information stolen. 25,096 had their Social Security numbers (SSNs) compromised. The agency is cooperating with law enforcement in a criminal investigation. The hackers, who are believed to be located in Eastern Europe, breached the server in question on March 30, 2012."
secure your servers.
Medicaid is for poor people. stealing their identity won't gain them access to much money. However the SS numbers might be useful for illegal alien ID cards.
Since when is "public safety" the root password to the Constitution?
Survey says..............
No one!
I didn't even know they drank tea in Azerbaijan.
We have to stop pretending that the SSN is something only the owner knows. It cannot be an identifier and a password at the same time. It's because of our retarded system that SSNs are such a juicy theft target. Other countries have similar personal identification numbers and no rampant "identity theft" problems like we have here in the US.
Simply put, someone should not be able to pretend they are you just by knowing your SSN and name and date of birth. All should be public info and not security questions. Someone can't go in and get a loan just because they found my name in the phone book, it should be the same with the SSN. Leave it be an identifier and only an identifier. The cat's out of the bag with the secret part.
It's too hard. I give up! What's the answer?
You're a fucking retard. Steal $100 from 181000 people and how much did you just get?
You're sitting here calculating a 100% success rate for the criminals, and yet you've got the nerve to call someone else a fucking retard...
There ought to be a security-related certification, along the lines of CMMI Level X, for websites that want to put sensitive information online. A group goes in and audits the network and the office, does penetration testing, and gives you a rating based on corporate practices, user knowledge and potential and actual weaknesses.
Before these sites feel like they can put up my social security number and health records behind passwords like admin/admin, or allow contractors to download entire social security databases and leave them on USB drives or laptops which can be/are stolen, they should first obtain some minimum level of security-related competence certification.
How is this stealing from them?
It'll be misusing their identity but actual theft from them? No.
This brings up an interesting question as to whether the advantages of storing massive amounts of personal data on public facing servers (or any server at all, res cent reports have me convinced that if anybody including governments, foreign hackers, or anyone else that wants the data bad enough will be able to find a way to get it) creates large enough benefits to balance the damages caused by breaches like this.
Koalas. They're telepathic. Plus, they control the weather. -Margaret
Medicaid is for poor people.
TFA quotes:
25,096 appear had their Social Security numbers (SSNs) compromised
... many of them feel violated
“But we also hope they understand we are doing everything we can to protect them from further harm.”
Poor people... have their SSN compromised, feeling violated (bordering to "raped" in one meaning of the term) and asked for understanding with promises of "best effort" towards a better future.
However... are the East European hackers the primary cause of their situation?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
I didn't even know they drank tea in Azerbaijan.
I didn't even know Uzbekistan is in Europe :)
Because without "Obama-care" government agencies would not have your social security number?
Okay, Slashdot seems to be getting worse and worse about distorting things in the titles of the topics. "Medicaid Hacked" is NOT what happened here. Not even close. And when the first line of the topic's body is "The Utah Department of Health has been hacked," then you can't even excuse the poster as having been a little confused; it's flagrant tabloid-like sensationalism. Cut it out, already.
For your security, this post has been encrypted with ROT-13, twice.
I've seen the fancy commercials. From what I learned, they are supposed to be preventing this crap. Oh, you mean it doesn't really work that way?
No, it's because they want to bring us back to the time before computers.
Oust! Go make a new account shill :-)
Lets fuck the poor even more!
Hoorayyy!
Because de-facto its not. So we shouldnt assume that its secret and never use it as means of authentication. About as secret as your zip code.
In other words, if a bank gives out a load based on SSN alone, let _them_ hold the bag on it.
How long do you think SSN theft will remain profitable after we do that?
Password: Admin
Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
I wonder if at some point there will be a breach so bad that certain critical records will be moved to airgapped systems and never go back, just because of the horrible memory of that disaster.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
What part of America is Europe in?
You have a ton of liberals claiming there is a right to privacy which guarantees a right to an abortion... but we have to have a single payer health insurer that knows practically everything about us.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
I agree! If a bank or company gives someone a loan based on a name, birthday, and SSN, then it is the bank's fault. Because they did not take steps to properly verify who they gave money to, it is the bank's fault. I was not involved in anyway. Any damage to my credit rating and the time I spent cleaning things up, the bank must reimburse me for.
I have been notified twice that my info was stolen from university servers, so they gave me one year free credit monitoring each time. The info is still valid after one year, dumbazzes. If someone gives out a loan based on my info, I will contact a lawyer and have them send a letter to that bank and demand that they cover all costs related to cleaning up after their error. No one should give out a loan without seeing the person face to face and take a photograph, and fingerprints when it exceeds $1000 or something. I am so sick of everyone being allowed to push it off to the innocent party.
If businesses weren't so stupid as to just require those things to identify someone, then it would be a problem - for individuals.
When someone's identity is stolen, the victim is the one who goes through hell for a very long time dealing with collectors, lawyers suing and in some cases actually being arrested by someone posing as them. The moronic bank, credit card company, or whoever just write it off and passes the costs on to everyone else.
You should not hack in to systems you don't have permission to access. It is illegal, for the same reason it is illegal to break in to a house you don't have permission to access. It doesn't matter if you are capable of doing it, you shouldn't do it. Thus if you do, expect to be held criminally accountable.
This idea of blame the victims don't blame the criminals that so many on Slashdot have is stupid. Fine, I'll be ok with that so long as you are ok with it applying to the real world. You are ok with me being legally allowed to break in to your house, so long as I am able.
Thing is, I'd be very able. Your physical security is shit, as is everyone's. Individuals never bother with good security. You'll have a regular lock that is vulnerable to bumping, ice picking, and so on. That aside a shotgun with door breaching rounds will take it off the hinges no problem since you have no reinforcement on them. Your walls are probably made of drywall, wood framing and stucco, so a Sawzall can easily take care of that.
You don't choose to spend the time money or effort to secure your house further... Nor should you have to. Yet you think that if people don't have perfect computer security, well someone should be allowed in.
Also this is funny because show me this perfect security. Kernel.org was hacked, gnu.org was hacked, GitHub was hacked, BIND was hacked, and so on. So it isn't like just being open source and all that makes you immune. It seems that security holes happen, and that is just life.
they stored the data in that super secret nsa data center out there.
You could bring up many states farm out medicare and medicaid to private companies.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
These hacks and all hacks that steal information but no money, etc would be made pointless if the banking system and credit bureaus, had better validation requirements!!! But instead they want to defraud their customers and by selling credit and identity protection.
What part of America is Europe in?
Why, that's obvious! You know that Europeans speak French, don't you? Therefore it must be a parish somewhere in Louisiana. Failing that, it's sure in Canada.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Isn't that the whole point of the noble savage myth?
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Then the bad guys have to social engineer or use force to steal the secrets such computers contain.
CAPTCHA: blackout (lol! :D )
Banks don't need security once we get over this "blame the victim" mentality.
After all, I'm sure we all store thousands of social security numbers at home.
Medicaid is for poor people.
TFA quotes:
25,096 appear had their Social Security numbers (SSNs) compromised
... many of them feel violated
“But we also hope they understand we are doing everything we can to protect them from further harm.”
Poor people... have their SSN compromised, feeling violated (bordering to "raped" in one meaning of the term) and asked for understanding with promises of "best effort" towards a better future. However... are the East European hackers the primary cause of their situation?
That's a rhetorical question and you know it. It would be better for you to answer it yourself.
See it clearly and a certain virtuosity presents itself that you didn't know you had.
What exactly are they going to do with these? Identity theft? I'd be willing to bet that these people don't have good enough credit, assets, etc. to make it worthwhile.
get better intrent security mesasures or something if u cant stand the heat try to wear gloves and hope you dont get burned
You could bring up many states farm out medicare and medicaid to private companies.
Yes! This should be a good reason to trash them both. Hang on... except:
1. profit is not a dirty word even when used in health case context... ... coupled with your insightful and coolheaded analysis on minority and profitability...
2.
... suggests you wouldn't see farming out medicare and medicaid as necessary a bad thing, would you now? Or: is this a bad idea only because it is conducted by the states?
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/08/1850249/innocent-or-not-the-nsa-is-watching-you
Could be related, considering they're in the same state. Maybe the attackers wanted to hit home and hit hard.
How about both of you trying acting like adults?
Medicaid is for poor people.
TFA quotes:
25,096 appear had their Social Security numbers (SSNs) compromised
... many of them feel violated
“But we also hope they understand we are doing everything we can to protect them from further harm.”
Poor people... have their SSN compromised, feeling violated (bordering to "raped" in one meaning of the term) and asked for understanding with promises of "best effort" towards a better future. However... are the East European hackers the primary cause of their situation?
That's a rhetorical question and you know it. It would be better for you to answer it yourself.
Somebody raised the question in a non-rhetorical manner. A suggestion of my position in this matter. If you'd like, let's close this thread and continue the discussion on the other one.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Utah is the home of the NSA's new "Data Center"; http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/08/1850249/innocent-or-not-the-nsa-is-watching-you.
The US Medicaid server in Utah, like all US Medicaid servers utilizes firewall and encryption from the NSA.
Ah Ha! [Score: Insight Upgraded 200 pts]
The hack of the US Medicaid server could have been a proof-of-concept experiment to verify that NSA's encryption is broken.
Easy thing to spoof yourself to look like you are in Europe when in actuallity you are 5 km from Fort Meade, Maryland, the home of the NSA.
LoL XD
How about both of you trying acting like adults?
Ooooh muuum... but it is him that started first!
(ducks - mod me offtopic, but I couldn't resist)
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
...there has been a run on illicit payday loans! Investigators believe there may be a link to the Medicaid breach.
What's the "Most religious state?" What's the most Republican state? What state can't host the Olympics without embarrassing the USA with their corruption? What state lost $2.5M to stupid Nigerian "You have been selected to win $100M dollars!" scams? What state bans effective sex-ed? Banning D&D in public schools... polygamy... and these people are too innocent to know that the religious right GOP crowd they want to join knows for sure that every Mormon will burn in Hell.
And after yet another epic f--kup, I have to listen to posts like this... on an article about how Utah can't keep track of their Medicare records, and this somehow is an opportunity to blame Obamacare? Give me a break.
Celebrate failure, and then learn from it - Nolan Bushnell
Why do I say Big Deal, medical records aren't safe in any kind of form or capacity. I've have 5 different entire sets of medical results lost, misplaced and never found. I've had medical records lost in shipment from one doctor to another. So whats the big deal? The medical industry doesn't give a rats ass to keeping your data safe, losing one medical result is bad enough, losing two is unacceptable and losing 5 is just beyond insane. If doctors, hospitals and front desk personal really cared what happened to your medical documents they would guard them with there life and they don't.
I would like to add that over the last 15 years NONE of the missing results have been found or even traces of the documents, London general even admitted they were sorry after the first time they lost the documents, they didn't give a shit after losing the second and Grand River Hospital in Kitchener Ontario has never once stood up and told me it's there fault for losing the other 3 documents. If you want a great insecure place to put documents and personal information then the medical association is the place for you!
The paranoia in me is wondering if the governments are staging these attacks so that the SOPA, ACTA, and various other copy cat bills can be pushed through the legislative process with little resistance on the grounds of treachery. Again, the paranoid person in me, but there have been an awful lot of attacks so close together in the last 6 months or so(especially with a focus on sensitive data being stolen), all during the heated SOPA debates and the pressure of the MPAA and the RIAA trying to push it through. It almost makes me wonder since they had such a hard time getting it through on the momentum of IP piracy, they may feel they have a better chance with personal data being compromised. We're seeing different versions of the same bill popping up rapidly as well, and flying under the radar for some part. Just a thought. Call me a conspiracy theorist. I don't care. Just sayin' is all.
When will anonymous claim this as the next great blow against the %1?
... many of them feel violated
Welcome to the TSA plus Obamacare? Bringing the air traffic experience to medicine.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
I could understand Medicare... retirees. But Medicaid and CHIP are for low income people. Why bother taking SS#'s of poor people? To ruin their credit? They probably already beat you to the punch.
They blame the victims in some cases for the same reasons the police won't waste a lot of time and effort (unless they're really bored or you're really important/rich) trying to find your stolen car when you admit, during the filing of the police report about the car being stolen, that you left it, (a nice new convertible Mercedes with the top down,) unlocked, with the keys in the ignition, running, with a pound brick of marijuana, a couple kilos of coke, and a bag with $100,000 cash sitting in the passenger seat, right outside a liquor store at 10:00 at night, double-parked, in South Central Los Angeles on a Saturday night, during the summer.
They'll just piss themselves laughing about what a dumbass fucktard you are, then discuss whether or not they can bust you for admitting possession of the drugs, when the drugs are clearly gone, (with the car,) never to be seen again.
If you have something that makes your computer system either a high value target because of how hard it should be to break in, (the challenge) or potentially worth money to someone (a bunch of SSN's, and associated personal info.,) etc., you have a duty to protect it, similarly to how a bank has a duty to protect your funds on deposit with it. Would you get steamed at someone blaming a bank for getting robbed when their "vault" turns out to be a room with gypsum board for walls and 18" centered studs? Protected by a hollow core door and a set of hardware you might see on a residential bathroom, with only one guard in the place with a fake gun? Of course not. You'd ask, what kind of bank has such pitiful protection for people's deposited money?
Well, an organization like that DOES have a responsibility, and while I hesitate to rush to judgement before all the facts are in, it sounds like they DROPPED THE FUCKING BALL on this one. But I'll reserve judgement until the investigation is complete.
I had this friend once, the real tinfoil hat kind of friend/acquaintance who:
- refused to use the internet
- lined his house in chicken wire/lead drywall
-I stopped talking to when he called me the enemy for working for a wireless internet company
He spoke of a day when we would all have the choice to take a national ID with a smart card and register our finger prints or be denied all government services.
errr..
120 characters ought to be enough for anyone
It wasn't hackers from another country. It was just a test run of the new NSA Utah Data Center. The Utah Department of Health just happened to be the nearest available guinea pig from which to steal sensitive personal data on thousands of Americans. It did what it was supposed to do.
I know it sounds crazy, but remember: You can't spell insane without the NSA.
How about both of you trying acting like adults?
Why do you assume either one of them is actually an adult?
Those Hackers should now have a lot of information about me. I was deported into homelessness in 2008 when two other ladies decided I wasn't responsive. Amid threats of Hospitalization, I signed back onto Medicaid. Haven't been off of it since. If you wonder what the State Insane Asylum is like, it is essentially a prison where you can't see the stars ever, and the most important thing is a policy against yelling. Papers and personal items are routinely stolen from their admits. I now live in a nursing facility because of the option I was given: face a diagnosis which was not invasive, or put the diagnosis back into limbo because of perscriptions, with an escape to potential freedom. I chose the former. Now there is no one watching me. No one cares. At the Asylum there was constant visibility, roomate pairs, and mind control. Showing affection was impossible. And it is done to them for no crime. Bottom line I support the Hack. I still have my own bank account. There was information accessed which should be troubling to the public (information about shot brutality) which I don't really have access to myself unless I could afford to correspond with the entity via FOIA. If there was interest, there should be investigative reporting. Utah separated the department of Health from a new department of Drug Addiction and Safety(sp?) in the news last year. So the Department of Health isn't housing a bunch of druggies one should suspect. There is a girl there, Allison, who has been there for years and no one would ever know her name. She's just a young girl absorbed in scientology. It really feels unfair to me to lock them away from the stars.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
What state lost $2.5M to stupid Nigerian "You have been selected to win $100M dollars!" scams?
Nooo! No way. You are kidding me. That cannot be serious.
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Mini virtual server. Seriously, this will sound like a weird idea, but rather than having a webserver that connects to a DB which requires secured code, how about an instance level virtual server? Basically, when you log-in, you create a virtual server, with your personal information. Nothing else. For this to work, it requires the ability to spin up quickly virtual servers, OR an 'instances' of a DB with its copy of data, but only with the data tied to that login or key.
Also, it is long past time to push IPv6. With it, comes decent security. Give a key. Yes, we can do a key tied to the web server, but, this is the ability to tie it to the network.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
these east european hackers don't need to hack that far from their home, Germany is already deploying a system to spread medical information.
cb
... many of them feel violated
Welcome to the TSA plus Obamacare? Bringing the air traffic experience to medicine.
Sorry mate, not here. For Obamacare there's a special thread, with the special note that the thread is modded Offtopic.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Mate, you forgot to post a whinge about insta-downmodding... how can you get that sloppy lately?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Is it wrong that my first thought-- after "Oh good, it's not HERE." --was to wonder why the hell someone would hack the medicaid records for Utah? I mean, really. Utah?
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
There is no "+1 Facts". Unless facts are interesting, insightful or otherwise bring something positive to the discussion, they don't deserve a modding up. And if they are written solely to enrage others or illicit a response, they deserve "-1 Flamebait" or "-1 Troll".
What I want now is a heuristic filter that will downmod any post that appears to be a list of posts, links, or quotes with bolding. That would increase the signal to noise level here, because quite frankly, these irrelevant lists are NOISE.
Soon, scammers will be able to steal a complete record of my late night TV viewing as well as my Social Security info thanks to the new NSA Utah anti-citizen data center.
Chinese companies will have one stop shopping for stealing all our projects before they're even done.
NSA = we steal your info so criminals don't have to!
There is no "+1 Facts". Unless facts are interesting, insightful or otherwise bring something positive to the discussion, they don't deserve a modding up. by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
He used verifiable facts quoting Sycraft-Fu's +5 interesting material adding on to it here http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773441&cid=39615913 , which thus is on topic and continuing a discussion that was rated +5 interesting.
Odd his was rated -1 for posting the same type of thing as was already posted and rated up to +5 for it.
What I want now is a heuristic filter that will downmod any post that appears to be a list of posts, links, or quotes with bolding. That would increase the signal to noise level here, because quite frankly, these irrelevant lists are NOISE. by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
I found being able to verify statements with links supporting them far more interesting actually than the parent post with the same type of material, albeit minus supporting links from good sources, less interesting in fact.
And if they are written solely to enrage others or illicit a response, they deserve "-1 Flamebait" or "-1 Troll". by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
First of all, it's ELICIT. Secondly, eliciting responses is what forums are about.Moderating down verifiably truthful statements is not. That's what I am seeing happen in this case. It appears that the Linux people around here cannot stand when truths are posted with verifying links and downmoderate such comments indiscriminately in some poor attempt to hide truths in them.
And if they are written solely to enrage others or illicit a response, they deserve "-1 Flamebait" or "-1 Troll". by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
First of all, it's ELICIT -> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elicit not ILLICIT -> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_illicit_mean
Please - learn to use the english language properly. Thank you.
Secondly, eliciting responses is what forums are about - Moderating down verifiably truthful statements is not, and is the illicit part going on here. A "near 'freudian slip'" from you, perhaps, in regards to unjust and unjustifiable downmoderation going on here?
That's what I am seeing happen in this case. To wit:
There is no "+1 Facts". Unless facts are interesting, insightful or otherwise bring something positive to the discussion, they don't deserve a modding up. by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
He used verifiable facts quoting Sycraft-Fu's +5 interesting material adding on to it here http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773441&cid=39615913 , which thus is on topic and continuing a discussion that was rated +5 interesting.
Odd his response posting was down moderated -1 for posting the same type of thing as was already posted and rated up to +5 for it by Sycraft-Fu.
What I want now is a heuristic filter that will downmod any post that appears to be a list of posts, links, or quotes with bolding. That would increase the signal to noise level here, because quite frankly, these irrelevant lists are NOISE. by arth1 (260657) on Monday April 09, @07:24AM (#39617461) Homepage
I found being able to verify statements with links supporting them far more interesting actually than the parent post with the same type of material, albeit minus supporting links from good sources, less interesting in fact.
It appears that the Linux people around here cannot stand when truths are posted with verifying links and downmoderate such comments indiscriminately in some poor attempt to hide truths in them.
Welcome to the TSA plus Obamacare? Bringing the air traffic experience to medicine.
Obamacare, Romneycare, what's the difference?
"The two laws are, in the words of Jonathan Gruber, who helped design both the Romney and Obama plans, “the same fucking bill.”
Now go fuck off and spread your uninformed opinion somewhere more appropriate, the sewer for example.
We need this to be universal !
"Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
ILLICIT murder of the English language, LOL -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773441&cid=39617909 hahahahahahahahaha which ELICITS this reply!
Welcome to the TSA plus Obamacare? Bringing the air traffic experience to medicine.
Obamacare, Romneycare, what's the difference?
"The two laws are, in the words of Jonathan Gruber, who helped design both the Romney and Obama plans, “the same fucking bill.”
Now go fuck off and spread your uninformed opinion somewhere more appropriate, the sewer for example.
One is run by the state and the other violates the 10th Amendment. Anything else I can help you with?
Sycraft-Fu said same (w/ no proof vs. the post I noted) & was upmodded +5 interesting. How's the post I replied to offtopic then, by it continuing the topic posted by Sycraft-Fu??
It may not give access to much in the way of immediate cash funds. But like any random SSN they can be used in other frauds. Maybe on a one for one basis they aren't as valuable to a criminal as say my SSN would be, but they got away with more than 25 thousand of them. So even if they only get a few hundred bucks each worth of fraudulant activity out of each it'll add up. So now those 25 thousand people who were probably already having a rough time of it have the added excitement of probably being the victims of ID theft in the near future. And it's not like you can just go get a new SSN, so once it's out there it'll be a spectre for the rest of your life.
They're on Medicaid - they get their money from people who actually work for it. Most probably have awful credit as well.
My posts downmodded but an admitted off topic troll's not -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773441&cid=39617167
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* Please: How obvious can you make it that the "moderation system" here needs revision & to make those doing unjustifiable moddowns accountable?
(In other words, to allow identifying WHO is doing the bogus downmods (or downmods/upmods in general too)).
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Additionally - Sycraft Fu posts pretty much what I did in reply to he (making ME ON TOPIC no less), and got a +5 "interesting" rating!
Where by way of comparison?
My post here on the same note/topic http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773441&cid=39615913 and merely followed up on his with the same general material & yet it was "modded down" as "off topic")
(Funny, but the topic was established by Sycraft Fu, & I merely supplemented what he posted with additional valid material supporting his claims - he wasn't rated "off topic" for it, but I was... please, give us a break: Keep making this site & it's bogus moderation system look worse than it is... you only make my case for me doing that!)
Arth1's off topic & "murdered the english language" too (lol, that's no lie).
Yeah, blaming Obamacare is a stretch. But I don't understand how bashing Utah/Mormons/Republicans explains anything. It seems like just a general partisan answer.
Most religious.. Are you saying that's an "epic f--kup"? If so, why are you asserting every Mormon will burn in hell? (Or put another way, why is your religious answer "burn in Hell" tolerable when arguing against religion?)
Most republican.. That's an "epic f--kup"? Is that because they disagree with you?
I agree, the SLC Olympic committee embarrassed the USA. But then Romney, a religious republican, cleaned up the mess. Does that fit your narrative?
And what does any of that have to do with IT security, or Obamacare? Wait, now you're talking about polygamy? I don't get it.
Modding me -1 troll doesn't make me wrong.
Ur offtopic admittedly, & obviously downmodding unjustly. You said it:
"Offtopic, I know," - by c0lo (1497653) on Monday April 09, @12:36PM (#39619963)
Yes, you are. Badly so.
* If your goal is to drive others from this website's forums, it's people like you that do!
It's also obvious you either have alternate registered 'sockpuppet' accounts to do so, or, you work in collusion with others to do so - after all, again? YOU SAID IT:
"Wish granted, here's the one for you: Guys, you are allowed to take a break!" - by c0lo (1497653) on Monday April 09, @12:36PM (#39619963)
And yes, I've got even got MULTIPLE quotes of others like you that said "Get an account APK so we can 'mod you down to obliviion'"... LOL - wtf? Is THAT the "best" /. technically challenged wannabe computer gurus have?? LOL, evidently so!
Stuff like that here, it's made me LAUGH in the past before, as I do NOT "live for mod points"!
(I could care less about them as I simply tell folks in replies "good job" etc./et al, AND, I don't get them to give posting as ac is why, & I have plenty of "upmods" even for an AC poster (which is harder on us, as we start @ zero/hidden generally for most viewers)).
APK
P.S.=> If you wish to go on looking like some juvenile stooge that cheats the mod system here, AND, to make this forums look poorly? Keep on doing what you're doing...
Disproving points I make MIGHT "bother me" some, if done with valid facts from reputable sources that disprove my words BUT would also make me stronger!
(As I would be made aware of a 'mistake' & it wouldn't happen again - I'd "grow" by it & even appreciate it in fact)
However, nothing else bugs me that weaklings like you do - especially unjust downmoderations!
I mean - to me?
That'd be ALL that'd matter (IF I posted outright incorrect crap), but nobody ever "gets the best of me" on that account here... ever (not once in what? 8 yrs. since I've been here??)
Hence - because of your words & others here making threats to downmod me to 'oblivion' & more?
It's WHY I suspect fools like you do downmods of myself for no justifiable reasons - your "geek angst" was injured @ some point vs. myself, & 'effete downmods' are all you have as "retaliation" vs. my shaming you (you shame yourselves around here with technically ERRONEOUS postings, quite a lot in fact), lol... apk
Yeah, blaming Obamacare is a stretch. But I don't understand how bashing Utah/Mormons/Republicans explains anything. It seems like just a general partisan answer.
Most religious.. Are you saying that's an "epic f--kup"? If so, why are you asserting every Mormon will burn in hell? (Or put another way, why is your religious answer "burn in Hell" tolerable when arguing against religion?)
Most republican.. That's an "epic f--kup"? Is that because they disagree with you?
I agree, the SLC Olympic committee embarrassed the USA. But then Romney, a religious republican, cleaned up the mess. Does that fit your narrative?
And what does any of that have to do with IT security, or Obamacare? Wait, now you're talking about polygamy? I don't get it.
I think you're reading too much into his comments about what it means to be "most religious" and "most republican." His point, as I read it, is NOT that either of those is inherently wrong in itself. It just makes it that much more ludicrous to blame Obamacare and claim that religious/republican candidates are the answer.
Well duh, my new crime-as-a-cloud service can now offer a feature that screens these people from your card lists, at only half the cost of the traditional merchant-account leasing service.
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
I suppose so...
120 characters ought to be enough for anyone
Yes, you are correct. One of my best friends is a conservative Mormon, and being Unitarian, I'd be ashamed to belittle others for their faith, though stupid political beliefs are fair game. I don't believe Mormons are higher or lower on the Holy Ladder, but I read the Book of Mormon (my friend gave me a copy), and I read that the innocent people who had not read the book are still possibly going to Heaven, but now that I've read it and did not convert (I'm still Unitarian), I am in fact quite clearly banned from the presence of God, according to the book. However, our local Baptists here in NC will waste no time explaining why Jews and Mormons are damned, so we can all enjoy damnation together.
Celebrate failure, and then learn from it - Nolan Bushnell
though stupid political beliefs are fair game.
= Mormonism. Look up Joseph Smith, the scammer who founded mormonism. Don't bother with wikipedia though; his entry has been heavily sanitised. If you take any aspect of that "religion" seriously you are being naive.
Oh how clever. This coming from the person who posted the following fine example of rational thought:
These amateurs! These amateurs! These amateurs! These amateurs! These amateurs need to use Gamemaker!