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1 World Trade Center Becomes the Tallest Building In NYC
darthcamaro writes "On 9/11, terrorists took the lives of thousands of Americans — and removed a pair of icons from the New York City skyline. For the last 10+ years, The Empire State Building was the tallest building in NYC, but that changed today. 'Poking into the sky, the first column of the 100th floor of 1 World Trade Center will bring the tower to a height of 1,271 feet, making it 21 feet higher than the Empire State Building.'"
OK, the definition might have changed while I was away, but still
Fuck everyone else who was in there, they weren't Americans.
I actually find it interesting and a feat of engineering to have such a tall building. What is up with all the trolls? Get a life you guys. This was a tragic event that should never be forgotten. If there was no mention on Slashdot I would think that someone was asleep at the wheel.
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Wow they actually started building something again there ? I lost interest after years of bullshit surrounding that site. Penn and Teller said it best on their "Bullshit" show, they should've just rebuild roughly the same towers right away and say "Business as usual motherf***ers".
I think everyone should read the foundation series by Isaac Asimov to see how the US fits like first Galactic Empire.
Stupid bickering between the city and developers kept the World Trade Center an embarrassing hole in the ground for over 9 years. This building should have been finished years ago.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
This has been all over the news, but I just don't see how it warrants all the attention. The real story is what held up construction on the new tower.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
I hope someone flies a plane into it and kills thousands more. It would be hilarious.
Mine's bigger.
Almost 11 years to build a building. Nuts. The Empire State was built in just 2.5 years using primitive 1920s technology, and the first WTC in the same amount of time.
I think the long dragout time is symbolic of how America has lost its ability to get things done in a quick fashion. (And why people turn to India or China or Russia instead.) Too much bureaucracy and second-guessing and twiddling of thumbs.
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Get ready for a remake of Escape from New York.
A year after 9/11 they should have broke ground on new twin (or more) towers, similar in design but BIGGER.
THAT would have sent a message and been a proud symbol of American resilience.
Instead, almost ten years later there were still two holes in the ground, symbols of bureaucrats and committees and EPA studies.
Now we get a single tower with fewer floors (but a very tall antenna!), a monument to the success of the 9/11 attacks.
I think a 1,300' tall office building shaped like Maurizio Cattelan's L.O.V.E sculpture -- preferably in gold -- would have been both a National Symbol of defiance against those who would harm us and a proud display of the typical NYC manner of greeting.
If it's not habitable, it's not a building, per se, ie, it's not "the tallest building in NYC".
Maybe the tallest non-supported construct. Tallest building is many months off.
NOT news for nerds btw. I've been doing drafting and architecture for over 20 years,
this is just NEWS. If we start 'building out' the definition of nerd... we're are just going
to have to call this a "news site". You can't say there are "nerds" in every occupation,
where are the molecular gastronomists? That's nerdy. Where are all my tuner nerds?
THIS version of nerds, means, from the very beginning, techy, electronic driven NERDS.
And it won't work to call this just a news site, cause news, is usually news on the first day.
Not 4 days later, a week later, a month later.
It'll happen soon, probably this year. Readership will decline pretty hard. Slashdot
has not in months, nee well over a year, surprised me with a fresh story that I didn't
catch somewhere else, ON THE DAY IT HAPPENED. Without a retool, this is probably
my last year reading Slashdot.
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It took me years to adjust to the towers not being there. While I was still in high school, only a few blocks from the site, the bare foundation became a part of what was normal and it was incorporated into my sense of home. After graduating, I left New York. Whenever I returned, I saw the foundation, and it was still a part of home, a part of New York that was the same whenever I visited. When I returned last year, it was startling to not see the bare foundation, and see a building under construction. I think that for years, seeing that tower will be as alien to me as not seeing the old ones.
Where's the OTHER tower going to be?
This new trade center is humanity's giant, middle finger, flipping off terrorists to all corners of the earth.
You mean, not forgetting the 3.000 people who died as opposed to the 100.000 who died in the shameless wars after? Fuck you.
Many of those 10,000 supported the demise of the 3k, so I'm just fine with that.
And unlike you I'm not afraid to say what I think.
So double-fuck you, and you can have your own fuck back as no-one wanted it to begin with.
Talk about lack of shame... AC's today. Hmph.
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Wow, someone constructed a tall building and created yet another eyesore among the NYC skyline. Big whoop.
From Wikipedia:
"and with its antenna spire included, it stands a total of 1,454 ft"
All they've put up at the site is a couple of girders marked 1271 ft. -- That is NOT "tallest in NYC" if those girders aren't any more habitable than the radio antenna atop Empire State.
This 'news' is total "feel good" PR bullcrap.
And, the Empire State Building has stood for more than 70 years. Top that, newbies.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
I mean, isn't it going to be both a bit creepy and scary?
You've got the memories of all the people who died next door, and if there's one thing that would get a terrorist excited it would be the idea of knocking down the tower *again* after we went to the trouble to rebuild the thing.
You're going to need one heck of an immunity to superstition and a lot of faith to not at least consider these things.
I'm really curious to know how much occupancy they have lined up and whether the rates reflect any of this.
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The people in the towers weren't guilty of anything either.
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Dust in the air suspended
Marks the place where a story ended
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From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
This would have been a cool set of buildings on any other site. As a replacement for the WTC it's kind of lame. I wouldn't the buildings rebuilt has they'd been. But I would have liked something comparable. Perhaps the twin towers had a high vacancy rate and they saw no way of filling all that space?
It is extremely embarrassing to see how long it took to get the building to this point. As others have mentioned it speaks to the sad state of affairs in this country. Almost anywhere else it would have taken a fraction of the time and would have likely cost less to build too. I realize that a lot the delays were related to bureaucratic red tape, but it doesn't matter the reason, it's a problem because this happens every day across the United States. In my area a couple of large scale projects, which could have been a boon have stalled because of garbage like this. I guess those guys didn't have the political pull and financial backing to finally get things going.
I also find it rather obnoxious that standards allow a spire affixed to the structure to be counted towards total height. But it was rather amusing hearing all the talk this morning about this building being the tallest in the Western Hemisphere like that mattered.
I know WTC/9-11 is the focal point for cloying sentimentality for the US and I know New Yorkers insist that NYC is the only place on the planet of note, but seriously? This is not news for nerds. This isn't even news.
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so that would be a good thing for you?
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It seemed to be barely moving for months but this spring they must have really picked it up a notch because suddenly it's been growing fast! To me the old WTC is so reminiscent of the dotcom days. I had just moved to NYC and was for a small tech firm. Always loved perusing the O'reilly books at the WTC Borders on some down time. Nice to see them finally bringing it back, definitely gives me some optimism even if the USA and the world will never be the same again. But better or worse I'm packing up and heading to the west coast next year anyways. If you're not working in finance or maybe some wing of the entertainment industry there's nothing for you in New York anymore. All that crap about "Silicon Alley" is just hype. The only people hiring are hedge funds who want some kind of shady derivative algorithms coded up...but anyways, at least the WTC is back in one form or another.
And it's already rusting.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
But were big!! Look at us!! LOOK AT US!!
I don't think I ever met anyone who believed that Iraq was in retaliation for 9/11. Iraq was about the threat of Iraq having WMDs, at least at the time. There may have been some shoddy dialogue among idiots, but most people in the US--and certainly most educated people in the US--see the link between 9/11 and Iraq only in the more tenuous "9/11 put the country on a war footing" light.
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so that would be a good thing for you?
Well, if it's informative, then he gets Karma.
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Q:What worse then finding a worm in your apple?
A: 9/11
“It’s a bird!”
“It’s a plane!”
“It’s. Oh shit, it IS a plane!”
9/11
Q: Who are the fastest readers in the world?
A: New Yorkers. Some of them go through 110 stories in 5 seconds
9/11
Q: Why do tourists flock to New York?
A: It’s a blast
9/11
Q: What was the last thing going through Mr. Jones’ head when he was working on the World Trade Center’s 90th floor?
A: The 91st floor.
9/11
Q: What was the quickest escape time from the World Trade Center?
A: Ten seconds flat.
9/11
Q: What’s the biggest difference between 9/11 and the Oklahoma City Bombing?
A: Outsourcing
9/11
Q: How many Americans died in 9/11?
A: Who gives a fuck?
9/11
Q: How long does it take to reach the ground from 107 stories up?
A: The rest of your life!
9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11! Never forget...to laugh!
- We only get one tower back
- It will be 104 stories vs 110 of the old WTC, but even then, it's not really 104 stories.
- 1WTC will skip floors 2 to 19.
- 1WTC will skip floors 93 to 99.
- 1WTC will forgo an outdoor observation deck.
- 1WTC will be the same dimensions as the old WTC at its base, before tapering-off dramatically by the upper floors, leaving little useable space.
IIRC, there was a policy limit per event, so there was a big fight over whether it was one event or two. It ought to have been treated as one-and-a-half, they should have decided that the first day, and Gov. should have covered the rest.
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The view from atop of this new building won’t be any clearer for America and the real effects on our society from the original towers being dropped in what is largely considered a False Flag Operation. Under the guise of fighting terrorism, the Patriot Act was adopted WITHOUT public approval or vote just weeks after the events of 9/11. A mere 3 criminal charges of terrorism a year are attributed to this act, which is mainly used for no-knock raids leading to drug-related arrests without proper cause for search and seizure. The laws are simply a means to spy on our own citizens and to detain and torture dissidents without trial or a right to council. You can read much more about living in this Orwellian society of fear and see my visual response to these measures on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/living-in-society-of-fear-ten-years.html
Hey, that's the combination on my luggage!
They will put a gun turret on the roof....
You kill 3,000 of ours, we'll kill 100,000 of yours. Do that often enough, maybe people will learn not to fuck with us. Then crank it up to a million if not. Eventually either they'll stop, or they'll run out of people to send against us.
All in a row, one lower tower to the right, then two slightly higher towers to the left of it, with one really high tower sandwiched between them. Point it East.
We built the world's tallest building, in twin-tower format no less. It stood there for decades.
Then some fuckers ran planes into them.
Yes, quite teh impressive phallic reference we've built ourselves, eh?
Next step: World's largest cock-shaped sports car.
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I don't understand why I got tagged "offtopic"...
It's exactly what this article is all about...
It's going to be funny if the terrorists bring down this new building.
Then they'll post a message saying "Don't build any more buildings here.".
Do we really need a bigger target for the next time such a thing happens?! -_- The idiocy of so many people of this country amazes me.
I don't know about you, but I find the ass-groping, crevice-penetrating symbol of the TSA much more unpleasant. I can ignore a phallus in the sky, but a finger in my ass is a completely different matter.
9/11 was forgettable in no way. The event itself, on its own merits, is not forgettable. I watched the towers fall and the ground tremble all the way here in Brooklyn. Bits of burning paper drifted over our neighborhood for weeks. So as an eye witness it's not forgettable. Also, it happened in New York, which has as much claim to the title of capitol of the world as any city, and so because it won't forget there's little chance the rest of the world will either. The Oklahoma City bombing, by contrast, happened in Oklahoma City.
Also, the legacy of 9/11 is not entirely the sum of the evil that it has excused since. It also shattered the illusion of invulnerability of the United States, for others and for Americans. For all the NSA and military and nuclear weapons and wealth and power the United States was brought to its knees by a handful of guys with box cutters who were thinking outside the box; that's a powerful lesson for everyone, not just Americans, including for us geeks as we go about our technical jobs.
Yes we do need to deal with Bush and Cheney and all those who have used 9/11 to strip America of its freedom; I hope we do it soon, with prejudice.
But don't be so dismissive of the event itself. It was and continues to be significant.
If not us, who? If not now, when?
I don't know about you, but I find the ass-groping, crevice-penetrating symbol of the TSA much more unpleasant. I can ignore a phallus in the sky, but a finger in my ass is a completely different matter.
Precisely why I chuckle darkly every time I hear the phrase, "We must do X or the 'terrorists' will win!"
Obviously, they already have.
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I don't understand why I got tagged "offtopic"...
It's exactly what this article is all about...
Penis, er, tower envy, obviously.
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That's what this bullshit crowing about the height of a building in NYC amounts to.
We should build more buildings on top of cemeteries, burial grounds, oh and how about former concentration camp sites!
I grew up in NJ in the early 70s and watched the Twin Towers grow as they were being built.
When they came down, it meant a lot to me.
I was just in NJ this weekend visiting old friends and had the opportunity to see the Freedom Tower as it is being built.
I'm not special. But the being able to witness the construction of these two amazing structures is special to me.
It is special to many many people for reasons of their own. If it's not a special moment to you, that's okay too. But STFU and move along, nothing for you to see here.
Not according to the government, they have not. I hear they plan to release some Al-Qaeda documents, purportedly from the liar of the beast himself, that definitely prove Al-Qaeda is gone and no longer a threat. Maybe we will get back some of the freedoms then.
Or maybe we'll get em back after the elections. Or maybe we should consider the elevated threat post-Arab spring and keep all security measures anyway. They've done such a good job already, I'm sure keeping them in place is not a bad idea after all.
I'm all mixed up now, I am off to watch a movie, have a drink and leave thinking about terrorists to the pros.
Here's a partial list of what's up.
Neoconservative Ideological War to promote the myth of American Exceptionalism in the middle east, where Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, et al still treat the average woman like property... and idea of freedom is anathema to the rule of oil sheiks
The Denial of Habeus Corpus: here and abroad
Extraordinary Rendition: using a network of international torture specialists from 'intelligence' organs of foreign sovereign state
CIA Drone Strikes & their associated 'collateral damage' because we don't care if women and children of terrorists die, talk to each other or become the next wave of radicalized terrorists
$Billions given to Pakistan which supported and hid the activities of A.Q. Khan and a 'rogue' network of nuclear proliferation which benefited from 'our tax dollars'
7 Years of USGS mineralogical surveys of Afghanistan under the protection of the U.S. military because George Carlin was right: "Have you ever noticed that the central letters of indUStry are u-s?" We're just there to, "whip a little industry," on those backwards, undeveloped (other) religious fanatics who don't realize that there's a New World Order headed by the Ownership Society and we p()wn them.
Among other things, that's what's up.
Would you care to add anything?
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Precisely why I chuckle darkly every time I hear the phrase, "We must do X or the 'terrorists' will win!"
Obviously, they already have.
If you believe that then you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
You'll know the terrorists have won when you are offered the choice of convert to their brand of Islam or die, the Constitution has been replaced by Sharia law, and the Muslim Caliphate (which existed until 1924) is reinstated. That is what they are fighting for, not to inconvenience your air travel by forcing people to wait a bit longer in line. If you are "chuckling darkly", thinking the terrorists have won, you aren't getting it. They keep announcing their intentions, and people keep ignoring it as if in denial.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/04/30/one-wold-trade-center-why-new-yorks-tallest-doesnt-measure-up/
I believe that it should have been built to be the tallest in the world. NYC is the financial capital of the world, so this would have been a testiment to US's resolve and confidence.
When Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush have a future PNAC meeting, and decide they need a "New Pearl Harbor to justify a middle-east conflict" (that is a _real_ quote btw), I guess we know what building they are going to demolish under the facade of a plane strike.
If we were really going to learn our lessons from 9/11, we wouldn't have let the terrorists win by giving up our rights, our privacy, our liberty, and shitting on the Constitution. If you look at what we've given up in the name of security, the terrorists got everything they wanted. Well that and the military industrial complex (hello Blackwater) that have gotten trillions of money for doing nothing.
In reality, the goal of Bin Laden was to disrupt our financial system, which he did fairly well, and destroy our way of life. But nevermind that for a moment, let's get to what's wrong with your statement.
So,you believe the goal of "the terrorists", AKA Al Queda or Quesadilla or whatever, is to invade our country and force all 350+ million of us to follow their particular religion... hmm, sounds a lot like fundamental Christianity... funny, that.
I digress;
Anyway, in order to fulfill this goal, they hijack some planes and crash them into a couple really, really tall banks 11 years ago... then what? What devestating attack have we suffered since? Where are the imams on every corner, preaching fundamental Islam and demanding we convert? Where are the attempts to "replace the Constitution with Sharia Law?" Well, attempts from Muslims, anyway... the government is working pretty damn hard on enacting it, with the addition that everyone who isn't insanely wealthy gets treated like shit, instead of just women.
That's why I don't buy the "long game" theory - Our nation has the resources for a long drawn out conflict, whereas a ragtag bunch of goat herders with RPGs and AK-47's don't really possess the resources for a war of attrition with us.
That is what they are fighting for, not to inconvenience your air travel by forcing people to wait a bit longer in line.
You think the total loss of our Constitutional right to not be ass-raped by government agents when trying to travel from point A to B is merely "inconvenient?" That's what I love to hate about TV news watchers like you - you piss and moan about how the evil, scary, faceless Muslim boogeymen are going to come to our country (someday) and throw out the Constitution, meanwhile your own fucking government is systematically dismantling it, peeling your rights one by one; and you call it an "inconvenience." You sit in your cozy chair, foaming at the mouth with rage as you scream obcenities at images of the enemies of Oceania on your telescreen, because it's the only thing left you know you're allowed to do; the 2-minute hate is the highlight of your day... War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength...
Sorry, started channeling Orwell there for some reason...
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...the buildings and stopping by that same Border's store mentioned above to check out some books at lunch time or being outside during the summer concert festivals sitting between the towers next to the golden globe. I miss those times. Only thing I have left from there is my green WTC ID card that has nothing on it stating it was from the WTC except for the little cartoonish logo of the two towers jutting up from a circle.
I carry it in my wallet these days to preserve the memory hoping to show it someday to someone who might be interested but so far nobody seems to care to see it even when I mention that I worked at #7 WTC when 9/11 happened but wasn't there that day since instead I was going in late to work and watched the whole thing happen on my TV from the safety of my apartment's living room overseeing the cloud of smoke spreading south towards the water.
Just as the poster above, I'm no longer working in Finance and no longer in NYC which has become a different place than I remember from that time and frankly I'm glad to be away from that Gotham City.
Why did this cost 3 times as much money as Burj Khalifa while being 60% of its size? I doubt it's as luxury as Burj Khalifa inside, too.
Looks like some company made some nice money off of 9/11...
Strange how New Yorkers were initially hostile to the original World Trade Centre buildings when they were built. With time that hostility was muted down to mere indifference. The only people who seemed to actually like them were the tourists. It wasn't until they were destroyed that they became 'iconic' and a 'symbol of American freedom and ingenuity' even for New Yorkers too. Living historical revisionism in action.
Honestly I thought everyone here would be a little more mature and respectful, but I guess not. I guess 10+ years is long enough to forget.
It may be symbolically important to re-establish a building as tall as the original twin towers, but I can tell you as a New Yorker, no one's going to want to work there. There is still too much fear.
Does this mean that the terrorist "win"? Ask Osama Bin Laden.
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Or when one side realizes they are outnumbered 50-1 and that the enemy doesn't seem to care that they might die.
There was no "Canada" until 1867. That was over half a CENTURY later. It was British rule before that.
The US fought the British, not Canada.
On 9/11, President Bush and Vice President Cheney took the lives of thousands of Americans ...
There you go.