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HP Shows Off Power Over Ethernet Thin Client
angry tapir writes "HP has unveiled an all-in-one thin client capable of being powered by an Ethernet cable. The t410 AiO supports the Type 1 Power over Ethernet (PoE) standard, which means it is capable of drawing its power from a network connection, although it can be powered by standard AC power. It uses an ARM-based processor and has an integrated 18.5-inch monitor, and it is capable of being used for virtual desktops through Windows RDP, VMware View and Citrix ICA."
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...can it play Crysis?
...until someone hacks one into a X terminal?
Video replay (with sound) and flash apps have become such an integral part of the web that few people would be satisfied with a thin client running any of these protocols. The truism that Average Joes only run lightweight apps is no longer true.
I guess that it runs on Mana, if Ethernet can restore it to full power.
For serious though, this is pretty cool, although I wonder how this standard holds up when under load.
Receptionists, POS terminals, all kinds of good uses. This is the way I set up my computers at home - good desktop, cheap laptop with RDP. I could use one. Unfortunately no idea of the price. At $200 these will sell like crazy. At $400, may as well just get a big netbook. Knowing HP, they'll sell at $450.
Just my $0.55 (US inflation, 1774-2008, for $0.02)
Wake me up when it can do power over wireless ethernet.
The takeaway from the article:
... which drops to 10/100 when using PoE, thereby making it only marginally useful for very thin applications.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
HP (and the OP) seem to think that they have something revolutionary here. Actually, this has been around for over five years already: http://www.chippc.com/thin-clients/jack-pc/
How well does it run LTSP? If it does that well, then there are good markets for it in schools.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
How thick is the insulation on your 22AWG wires?
They might have a lower overall cost. Although since they're purely a thin client and not just web terminals, you might still need a bunch of far more expensive server hardware to support them.
Mind you back them we called them Ethernet killers, and boy was the light show good.
This will be really great for all those places where there is an ethernet cable but no electrical power available. Just think of the possibilities!
Uh, no. I can't think of any either.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
I'm not sure what the benefit of this is? The benefits for making a stand-alone device such as a telephone PoE-capable are obvious. But if a device is not stand-alone and requires other powered devices to function, then what are you really accomplishing? A thin client requires a display to be usable, and a display requires a local power source. If HP really wants to solve a problem for thin client users (I have hundreds of the little buggars) then they'll drop the price. There's zero reason these things should cost as much as they do. I'm curious to see how well a Raspberry Pi can function as one.
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Maybe because in a large homogenous environment, small power savings can add up?
I am not sure on the relative efficiencies between PoE and a small switching power supply on every desk, but I imagine if the runs are not too long to the closet, that the PoE would be more efficient.
Not to mention, less cables for the users to get all confused & tangled with. Just plug it in & go...
Most offices, POS, warehouses, etc are already going to have power outlets already. You know... to run other stuff.
Because you don't have to pay for cubicles with power in them? Because you can save a ton on electrical costs? This could easily save more than the cost of the endpoints if you open a new call center.
These are real problems, that you clearly lack the experience to understand.
Not too mention that the POE switch in the closet has a battery backup and probably a generator meaning that during a power outage you can stay working!
Just sayin :p
Except then you only need one UPS to backup the switch. Sorry, but this problem does exist. Especially for someone like me who had to go from show to show setting up temporary offices for over 100 people. These things would cut my setup time in half as I don't have to run near as much power everywhere.
I didn't read your question, but bananas.
If all you have is a grenade, pretty soon every problem looks like a foxhole -- MightyYar
Our desks actually have 2 sockets on the UPS, so that point is moot here :)
Is it possible to power an 18.5" monitor (and a thin client) with POE, even if it's LED backlit? I guess it wouldn't make sense to require a separate power supply for the monitor since it's integrated.
According to HP this draws 13.5 watts when using PoE and yes, that includes the damn display.
Now if they'd offer similar setups with Linux support, I'd finally be able to get my NetBoot setup working correctly in the office. Much nicer to simply use a thin client that can be easily replaced in moments when they die while ensuring all of the damn data the employees actually need access to are on the servers and properly backed up.
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But how often and for how long does a battery-powered device have to be taken out of use so that it can be recharged?
Does a 15W PoE client have the juice to decrypt and decompress a fullscreen, full-resolution video display?
How much juice does an AVC-playing phone use with the brightness turned all the way down?
What sort of server horsepower is necessary
There's a reason Intel is putting IGPs on its CPUs: to assist in video encoding and decoding. Remote desktop becomes not unlike OnLive.
I didn't read your reply, but that was just the information i needed.
I wrote the post, and actually read the article and understand the context. You don't even know where "here" is, so don't be snide. It doesn't go well with clueless. I never said that a 100Mbps RDP connection is close to the lower limit of acceptability or function, nor did I imply it. I never even mentioned RDP. I implied that all it is good for is RDP connections. HP is marketing this to ... support XenDesktop, Windows RDP, VMware View, Citrix ICA 12 and Teradici PCoIP.. The takeaway is that if you use PoE, then you will not want to use it for "fatter" thin client applications. From the Wikipedia on thin clients:
The point is that you get a Gigabit interface if you plug it into the wall, but you take an order of magnitude hit in performance if you use PoE, which - as you may recall - was the subject of the Slashdot writeup.
... HANL
I truly wish you the best in your search for cluefullness!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
You have an ethernet cable and no power outlet?
I don't know if they exist, but if they don't, h4rr4r would build them.
I'll wait for the WiFi version.
Ok, but u may be waiting a while. Tesla is dead and GE doesnt want to help u.