Slashdot Mirror
Microsoft Announces 'Surface' Tablet
MrSeb was one of several submitters to write in about Microsoft's foray into the tablet hardware market. From the article: "At its much-discussed 'big unveil' this evening, Microsoft did indeed launch a tablet — but rumors that the device would showcase a Barnes & Noble partnership were misplaced. Instead, Microsoft showed a ... device that integrates a better keyboard option than typing on the screen without adding size or weight. That's where the new keyboard — which doubles as a screen cover — kicks in. At 3mm thick, it adds virtually nothing to the device's size, but it opens up a world of inputs. There are two covers available — the Touch Cover (very thin) and the Type Cover (with proper, tactile keys). Microsoft is touting the device's magnesium body, vapor-deposited construction, full PC functionality, and additional features like being the first tablet to showcase a 2×2 MIMO wireless antenna. Windows RT (ARM) and x86 versions are both in the works, with the x86 version apparently having a higher quality screen. No word on hardware specs yet; Microsoft is claiming it 'rivals the best ultrabooks' and uses less power than the Core i5."
Microsoft has a launch site with a few pictures. There is a vague spec sheet: the x86 version is slightly thicker and has a larger battery (and comes with a pen) than the ARM tablet, but that's about all it reveals. Update: 06/19 16:06 GMT by T : Nick Kolakowski at GeekNet's SlashCloud says this may be Microsoft's best chance to compete in a cloud-centric mobile computing world.
Surface Tablet .
Firm for blade
Whose reflection shows
The foamy wave. .
Burma Shave
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Isn't "Surface" the name of their SDK for both devices and Windows 7 computers that's been available since 2009?
Also, is this just like the Courier or will we one day actually see these devices like the Zune?
My work here is dung.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/microsoft-unveils-new-tablet-for-uncool-people-2012061931075
IMO, the keyboard touchpad cover is an interesting (and required for Windows and Office) invention.
But the low-resolution display (1366x768) on the ARM version is going to compare badly against the iPad 3 and upcoming Android tablets, and the pricing will have to reflect that.
Without realistic battery life estimates and a price this might have well be Vaporware. If Microsoft had a decent track record for producing mobile devices we might be able to let it slide, but the truth is Microsoft's previous attempts at the mobile space have had horrible battery life (e.g. less than two hours).
My fear is that the Surface will be a wonderful tablet but will wind up with such a short battery life that nobody buys it for that very reason alone.
If this was an Apple announcement I'd likely be excited, since most new Apple products have lived up to their hype. But I've been burned by Microsoft too many times. Until the products are on sale, until we have detailed specs, until MS proves it can over-deliver and under-price, I don't much care.
I think you've exhausted that joke for now. Jesus, is your house just post-it note after post-it note of burma shave style phrases?
How else do you CTRL+ALT+DEL a Microsoft operating system?
From the Microsoft release:
"At 9.3mm, Surface for Windows RT is just thin enough to still sport a full sized USB port."
So if it was any thicker, it couldn't have such a port?? I know they don't want to say it is thick, but no need to murder the English language in the process.
One idea that Apple has made good use out of is completely absent from Microsoft's presentation.
Ships Today!
Those two words are sometimes as important as the technology being demonstrated. Doing otherwise diminishes any excitement a good presentation brings.
How this played out to me is, that's nice. Oh, I can't get one? Oh.
As in, its forgettable.
Good notes, regardless.
Integrating the keyboard into the cover. This mitigates one of the biggest issues I have seen people with other tablets have. They do little real note taking and the few who did, well they had laptops or a BT keyboard.
Microsoft Office integration, will have to see how this plays out but this is the killer app. Integration with current use of Office and the like. Make it seamless please.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Is this a bad laptop, or a bad iPad wannabe? I can't really tell at this point.
I've made a career and a living off Microsoft products, and I'm grateful to the life that company has allowed me to provide for myself. But it's clear now they're in decline. They've lost their edge, their focus... their ability to innovate. This is a defensive play, and it's just not gonna fly.
And I'm not just a consumer and a developer, but an MSFT shareholder. As such, I'd like to see Ballmer get out of Redmond and make way for someone to bring the company back to a leadership position... while there's still time.
The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
Microsoft has released the Banana Jr. 6000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCmudUDv3GA
From about 10minutes in IIRC. I'm actually pretty impressed with the device(s).
(Posting AC because I'm at work)
I haven't watched their presentation (and I probably won't) but I somehow suspect their product announcement wasn't anywhere near as interesting as their primary competitor's presentations typically are. What amazes me the most, however, is just how poorly they presented the products to the press. Reading Engadget's review, for example, the review is rife with "but we weren't allowed to touch it so I don't know how good it is" and "we were only able to demo it for a few minutes so who knows" and various incarnations of "we just don't know anything about this product because Microsoft didn't really show us anything important". I simply cannot fathom how they feel that is the way to announce what presumably is an important product for the company. You would think that generating strong interest would be high on their priority list but not having working hardware and/or not allowing the press to meaningfully interact with the device is really the wrong way to go about it...
While I think their keyboard-in-a-smart-cover is a very cool idea, I don't see anything with the device that impresses me beyond what other companies (and certainly Apple) are offering and their product announcement was sufficiently fumbled that I don't think they even think there's enough in the device to impress people (it's the only reason I can imagine them wanting to keep people at arm's length from the device...).
Apple is now suing Microsoft for violation of their "unknown released features" patent.
Not always, for some things certainly but more often than not you could buy devices straight after the keynote, as stores then opened. More often it was things like the iPad, iPhone etc which had a delay, but I've bought laptops on the same day.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Microsoft seems to be making the mistake that tablets are going to fully replace PCs. They aren't. They, like phones, are going to compliment them. Each is a different tool with different strengths and weaknesses.
There is a reason people don't use iPads and the like for serious spreadsheet and keyboard-based work. They aren't designed for it. Slapping a keyboard in the cover isn't going to change the fact. You can already get keyboards for the iPad and Android tablets.
Yes, they work in limited scenarios, but that doesn't mean people are going to give up full tactile respone and 27" monitors when doing long typing sessions. You think people have issues with carpal tunnel syndrome NOW, wait until they're doing all their typing on one of those things!
Most typical office tasks involving the classic Office suite of products aren't going to change. Those tasks still need to be done, and spreadsheets, word processors and heavy data entry aren't going to disappear anytime soon.
It is the software that drives the hardware. Microsoft knows it. Ballmer's famous "developers, developers, developers" chant is proof of it. Apple knows it, too. This is why they continuously tout the number of apps available for the iPad. And it is why, despite my dislike of Apple's walled-garden approach, I'm getting an iPad. There are apps there to support private pilots that just don't exist on Android (or Windows 8). LOTS more.
Microsoft will sell a bunch of these, simply because they'll most likely dump a wad of cash into promoting them. But, unless they come up with more compelling reasoning that "you don't have to give up Office" for these, I can't see them passing Android or Apple on the sales charts.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
When the enter a new space you are correct. The differences are: Applemuses the product in the demos, Apple tells you when the device can be ordered, Apple tells you when the device will be shipped, and Apple tells you how much the device will cost. This is no more a shipping device than the slate was.
And the press is already setting it up for failure, comparing it to the Zune and saying iPad at least 20 times in each report. I'm no Microsoft fan-boy, but rabid Apple fanaticism is not much better. How about waiting until the product is actually launched before starting to say how it can never match the iPad?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
I'd be very interested to know what other manufacturers that buy Windows licenses think of this. I mean Dell, Samsung, Asus ... etc
The most important question is, which Microsoft model will this emulate, Zune or Xbox?
Zune -- MSFT enters an existing market with a device that is putatively well-speced and well-priced. But MSFT fails to get the details right, and has a crappy advertising campaign. MSFT sinks tons of money into it and eventually gives up.
Xbox -- MSFT enters an existing market with a device that is putatively well-speced and well-priced. But MSFT fails to get the details right, and has a crappy advertising campaign. MSFT sinks tons of money into it and eventually outspends the competitors and fixes enough hardware and software issues that it comes to dominate the market.
With Zune, MSFT's front-running competitor was Apple. With Xbox, it was Sony and Nintendo. Now, it's Apple again. This does not bode well for MSFT's ability to win through.
I only see two ways that MSFT can pull through this: (1) they can leverage the Office and desktop monopolies to go after the business space; (2) their sheer desperation to keep from becoming irrelevant will force them to keep spending until they figure it out. With Zune, failure was on the table -- music players did not directly threaten their core Windows business. The iPad and Apple ecosystem, OTOH, now are threatening their core Windows business.
Does it run linux?
Baboons are cute.
Well since the Lisa was 29 years ago, I'd say that a good track record.
These comments are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of my employer or colleagues...
Anyone want to shed some light on this process? Or is that simply some sort of oxide coating over the magnesium?
It's the hardware equivalent of vaporware.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Microsoft needs to hire more people in marketing. Whoever thought up of this name "Surface", needs to be fired.
Hey, didya hear about this hot new tablet? It's called "Surface"!!!
It's obvious that they're trying to pick a generic name, in the spirit of "Word" and "Access". But, for some reason, this one doesn't fly. When I read this yesterday, I had to double-check and make sure I didn't accidentally stumble on The Onion.
Really, if they wanted to pick a generic name that's likely to form a subliminal association with this gizmo, they should've just called it "Jumped the shark", and that would've been the end of it.
We talking about the iPad or Surface?
Apple has had its share of failures, reminds me of the Apple Lisa.
It's bemusing you had to go back 30 years to be reminded of an Apple failure. ;)
I dislike Apple (as a company) even more than Microsoft now, but your statement just underscores how successful Apple has been in the past decade. Microsoft? Not so much.
Yes there was a delay but Apple told people two important things: (1) how much and (2) when it went on sale. Even if Apple didn't tell a specific date for the original iPhone, they did specify a quarter and the reasoning was that the device had not been FCC approved yet. For other devices, the public knew these essential facts.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I saw somewhere that the Surface stylus has a 600dpi resolution. The x86 Win8 Surface should run full-featured Photoshop/CS and assuming the stylus is pressure-sensitive (and there's no reason it wouldn't be in terms of cost, technology etc.) then this will make a portable version of the Cintiq, tempting for graphics people, photoeditors etc.
Microsoft is claiming it 'rivals the best ultrabooks' and uses less power than the Core i5.
which reveals the problem it faces:
Despite being a tablet, the keyboard makes it a "computer" in the minds of a consumer; and yes I know the iPad is a computer but what's important is the psychological difference in the consumer's mindset and approach. A tablet is a portable device that does a lot of neat and useful things but isn't as full featured as a computer; so you are willing to accept tradeoffs such as no really powerful office suite that is fully compatible with the desktop version.,/P> That's one of the brilliant things about the iPad - it's design broke the user's mindset and created a new paradigm - complete with a new OS and user interface. MS, maybe because of its desktop centric worldview can't seem to understand that and has come out with a device that they may call a tablet but will probably be viewed by many as a computer; and unless they meet those user's expectations of what a computer s they may just have yet another netbook on their hands. We've seen what tablets did to the netbook market, and it will be interesting to see how this device fairs.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Now you can have all the compromises of an ultrabook and a tablet all in one tidy package.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!
Wow! Must be one of those magic virus that hides itself somewhere in the computer that survives wiping the hard drive. Either that or you are the most incompetent tech ever. I wouldn't take a recommendation for scam PC clean-up software from the world's most incompetent computer tech.
I've never seen one before - no one has - but I'm guessing it's a white hole.
Actually at first glance I thought it was kind of neat.
Then I thought about actually using it and it strikes me as ergonomically FUBAR.
It has a floppy "hinge", so it doesn't turn this into a laptop. You really can't use it in your lap, as you are reliant on having a table/desk and using the kickstand to support the screen, while the floppy cover just lies there.
http://www.microsoft.com/global/surface/en/us/publishingimages/new/gallery_2_large.jpg
Asus solves the keyboard much better with the Transformer Tablets that acutally make it into a mini-laptop:
http://netbooksreview.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/asus_transformer_release_date_price.jpg
The floppy keyboard cover is long on gimmick, short on substance.
Why doesn't slashdot just /dev/null any post that has a link to the scam sites like this? Back in the early taco days they were on top of this crap like stink on poo, now they let it slide forever.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I don't know what that is.... but I think you forgot to post AC.
The Admin and the Engineer
Since the keyboard makes it the same size as the air, I think Apple is well on their way. They just need to replace the i7 with an i5 and crap up the keyboard. From the video it does not look like Microsoft wants anyone to use the touchscreen.
Prepare to be disappointed.
For the ARM version, that might be true. For the x86 version it will be less.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Yeah, I'm awaiting the announcement killing these new tablets before they hit the shelves.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!
Wow! Must be one of those magic virus that hides itself somewhere in the computer that survives wiping the hard drive. Either that or you are the most incompetent tech ever. I wouldn't take a recommendation for scam PC clean-up software from the world's most incompetent computer tech.
Actually they do exist, mostly as bios viruses. Here is a toms hardware article about just such a case. I do tend to agree with you that he doesn't seem like the most competent tech, just thought I would point that out.
The credulity is strong with this one......
But what is it?
Build it specifically to make up for all or most of the shortcomings of the iPad, which are:
1) No data ports - Want to plug in a keyboard? Want to plug in a thumb drive? Want to plug in a printer or peripheral of any sort? Fugetaboutit.
2) Content creation is horrible - Typing a document or entering formulas into a spreadsheet requires a keyboard. That'll cost you an extra $60. And it takes about twice as long to navigate the word processor or spreadsheet software to do what needs to be done. Even after you've created the files, you then need to email them to your computer or use a 3rd party data service if you don't have a Mac.
3) Terrible to administer in the enterprise - iPads sync to only one computer. iPad storage cannot be backed up & mirrored. Apps and iOS updates must be done one-at-a-time. Apps / software must be Apple-approved and Apple-distributed. iPads were not built for the enterprise, and the enterprise has had to bend over backwards for Apple just to make the iPad work for their business.
Surface has a USB port. Surface has an included keyboard. Surface has Windows & Active Directory & a platform supported by the vast majority of software companies. I think Microsoft is trying to do what the iPad wasn't built to do: work for business.
Isn't it about time these spam posts for malware and spyware got deleted by mods rather than just being modded down? It would be nice if the piece of shit scumbags that post this stuff could be blocked/banned/deleted enough to make it not worth their while. The legitimate posts are usually bad enough without this constant crap.
The x86 version is 42Wh as well
So to finally have some sort of physical keyboard is really nice. It sure beats Apple and they're all about useability...wait no, that other thing; style. So now this has an actual serious chance of taking a bite out of the ipad market.
As if you can't buy one of the many, many keyboards available for the iPad. I will and do admit I'm not typing a novel so 100 WPM isn't important to me. On the other hand, if do have a lot of typing to do I use my desktop or laptop. I bought an iPad for leisure use, not for work. I did buy an external keyboard for my iPad but I *rarely* use it.
IMO, the keyboard cover is just what is needed in the tablet space. It is the number 1 selling accessory for the iPad.
For me personally; as a person who still reads my mail over SSH; I agree. but..
But I can't shake the feeling that we're gradually building a laptop yet again.
This is right 100%. It's a design disaster. The thing about not having the keyboard as standard is that the application designer can never even begin to think he can rely on it being there. This means that all iPad apps work perfectly without keyboards. Even if you have an Android "Transformer" tablet, the fact that most Android tablets don't have keyboards means that all your applications work with or without the keyboard. With the Microsoft tablet the app makers will lose that fear. It's a perfect example where adding more makes things worse. My recent post about Microsoft's social ineptitude just begins to feel so prescient.
Microsoft has killed their partners chances in the market by making it clear that there's a "real" device and the "clone" devices. Now they killed their own device by providing the most terrible screen layout and adding a completely stupid keyboard to it. It's not as if Swype hadn't already solv ed the problem of typing fast on touch screens. Surely Microsoft could have afforded to use that.
=~ s,(.*),<sarcasm>$1</sarcasm>,g if any_point_you_wish();
This is a terrible move by Microsoft. The two tablets look too similar and yet are so different--especially in terms of processor power and what software they will run. Imagine the surprise that Joe Consumer will have when his "Windows tablet" does not run Windows software.
ComputerWorld did a great article that talks about this:
On Monday afternoon, Microsoft executives, including CEO Steve Ballmer and Steven Sinofsky, chief of the Windows division, introduced the not-yet-available Surface tablet, which will be sold in two flavors. One, tagged the Windows RT Surface, runs Windows RT, the new edition that works only on devices powered by ARM-licensed processors. ARM CPUs drive virtually every mobile device, from smartphones to tablets, including Apple's iconic iPad.
**** Note that the ARM processor-powered device is NOT backward compatible with ALL of the current DOS/Windows software that has been released up to now. The ARM processor-powered device will only run Windows RT and Metro applications.*****
Windows RT, a major departure for Microsoft in more ways than one, is the company's attempt to break into the lucrative consumer-oriented media tablet market.
But Microsoft will also sell the Windows 8 Pro Surface, a tablet that, while identical at first glance to its Windows RT sibling, runs the more traditional Windows 8 on hardware powered by Intel processors.
Because that second Surface relies on an Intel chip -- a quad-core i5 from the just-released "Ivy Bridge" architecture, the same used in Windows laptops and as of last week, the one packed into Apple's MacBook Air and the least-expensive MacBook Pro -- will run all legacy Windows applications as well as the newer Metro apps that Microsoft and others are developing. It will also be heavier -- by half a pound -- and slightly thicker than the Windows RT tablet, although by other external appearances it will be identical.
42
Wake me up when I can actually buy one in a brick and mortar shop. Until then I'm not going to hold my breath on announcements and vague specs.
Exactly. Design by committee, more is better. That is the same way they design everything. Compare Excel to Numbers on the Mac. Microsoft throws in a thousand features almost no one needs, making it much less usable for the 99%.
People are really hating on this thing, and before I read anything about it I was one of them, but I have to admit this is kind of intriguing to me. The biggest gating factor to being useful (as something other than media reading devices), for tablets currently on the market, is input. It's hardware that exceeds netbooks and ultrabooks, without compromising a tablet form factor. Microsoft has an opportunity to hold a dominant market share in the business segment. It would be folly to try to compete in the consumer segment, and any sales there should just be considered gravy. Offer viable input methods, and good integration on Active Directory and corporate VPNs, and it's a winning strategy.
Slashdot readers seem confused, because the Surface really is a "family" as they put it, of devices attacking different markets.
The Surface x86 is meant to compete against the Air, and even offers touch to PC's that some people keep clamoring for. We'll see if they are right about people wanting that on a PC...
The Surface ARM is an iPad competitor. This one I feel like has much less going for it. The keyboard case has a trackpad... how useful is that for a tablet really? The device will lack software, and I can't see that it could cost less than an iPad 2 is selling for currently!
Also the stand is useful for desktop use, but nothing else. It simply would not work in a lap.
Another thing to consider is that this is a device not meant for rotation. From the keyboard being attached to the long edge to the buttons on the device being on the long edge, it's pretty obviously focused on one orientation.
I also wish they had not gone quite as "Appleish" in the presentation of the device, talking about emotional attachment to the hinges and so on... it seems like there's an approach that could have been taken that would not have echoed Apple, possibly some confident Mad Men era swagger?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley