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BT Starts Blocking the Pirate Bay
judgecorp writes "The UK's largest ISP, BT, has obeyed a court order to block The Pirate Bay, following similar moves by five other service providers, after complaints by music trade body BPI. The Pirate Bay says it can continue regardless through workarounds. From the article: 'BT has started blocking access to The Pirate Bay, becoming the sixth major ISP to prevent access to the file-sharing service. It follows blocks enforced by Orange, Virgin, Sky, TalkTalk and O2, after they all obeyed a court order made in April. BT, which has been in ongoing discussions with trade body the BPI over how it would carry out a block, had not been hit with such an order until this week.'"
They've been ordered to block it by the courts.
These poor retards actually think they're fighting a successful action against "the pirates".
And what say we?
Harrrrr
Can any BT subscriber comment on weather your average deck-hand will have any trouble getting around the block? I know it's quite easy for the black-beards and peg-legs, but what will it mean for the average user? Do TPB crew have enough experience bypassing blocks that most wont even know it's been blocked?
Take what ye can. Give nothing back!
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Yes, blocking at the backbone level can be defeated. With freedom.
Face it, Bittorrent is P2P but TPB is not. It's fundamentally a single domain name bound to an IP addy, it's a brand; TPB only works because people know they can reliably type "thepiratebay.se" or some similar easy-to-remember name and it'll get referred. TPB can start playing games with different names and proxies and referrers etc., but this'll knock out 90% of the casual users.
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I noticed after the recent ipv6 thing that visiting TPB will show a little thing at the bottom of the page indicating that im accessing it using ipv6..
changing DNS servers is easy enough for most anyone.. id imagine that they are blocking IPs ...
is access via ipv6 a thing they are blocking ?
Also to be in cahoots with the Anti-virus industry such that the RIAA/MPAA viruses aren't detected by AV scanners. Actually, have them detected but be 'impossible' to remove without taking it in to someone....and that someone is obligated to report the attempted copyright infringement instances.
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A prophetic summary of the comments to come?
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I remember when ISPs provided free unlimited newsgroup access. Then they offered free newsgroup access through a third party with a data usage cap. Then they cut off free newsgroups altogether. Now there is something completely out of their control on the general Internet that they are trying to block access to. So much for the old wild west freedom of the Internet. Business and government interests are all so ready to curtail total freedom of information. I see a dark future full of censorship and paywalls.
'Gosh, now that it's mildly inconvenient to download things for free, I'm going to have to go to HMV for all my media needs!'
'If only there was another torrent site. But the internet couldn't possibly support TWO!'
'Wow, with all this extra money coming in from ex-pirates, we should begin transferring these extra profits onto THE ARTISTS!'
Or use Google to search for "stuffiwant .torrent" and the results will popup from Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, and such. There's even a .torrent search extension for Firefox. If people want to download it, THEY WILL...
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
I am aware that Google occasionally partakes in collecting AdWords revenue off of someone else's movie.
Just remember, you're paying $50 month for the Internet, you paid $1000 for the computer, people are constantly collecting money from advertisers based on what you see, all of this money is going to billion-dollar mega-corporations, and not a dime of it is going to the people who made the thing you're looking for.
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Blocking -- or atleast trying to block -- Pirate Bay and similar websites is just a temporary measure, there's bound to be worse stuff coming. As I already mentioned on my Google+ - page about the recent confirmation of the Flame-malware being written by the U.S. government and the U.S. government basically saying they have the right to target, track, spy and eliminate anyone they want, anywhere in the world, at any time, and even using illegal means to do so is all right, and that no other country in the world has any say in that, it doesn't seem to me all too far-fetched that with enough lobbying from RIAA/MPAA the U.S. government will write similar malware that targets pirates -- both the ones posting copyright-infringing material and the ones downloading such.
Don't forget that TPB is just an indexer of magnet links and those magnet links are everywhere, like in demonoid.me, BTDigg, and many other sites.
I have started using Tor.
Clearly there is small (but according to the RIAA; significant) part of our society that clearly feels that those "people who made the thing" make enough off of it.
Activate turbo mode.
Done.
http://194.71.107.82/
https://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/
Am I the only one who gets confused when this company comes up in a storry related to Bit Torrent? It's gotten me a few times before, but this one really got me good. "BT starts blocking Pirate Bay" ... Da' fuck did I just read?
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And not a dime of it is going to the people who made the thing you're looking for.
That's their own fault.
Content providers refuse to accept money for the service that the customers want, while The Pirate Bay provides a superior service for free.
Amazing, professional musicians average about $34k a year; I assure you Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber aren't hurting, it's the session musicians and engineers and the 99% that get cut out. Meanwhile BT is a government-owned monopoly that took in 19 billion GPB last year.
If you're trying to be anti-establishment, you're doing it wrong. If you were principled you'd boycott BT, but we all know that's not going to be the response -- it'll just be more whining about information wanting to be free, all the while feeding more cash to the people that are hostile to you, and withholding all the money from the people the make the content.
I wonder where the quotes around "people who made the thing" come from. Is there some sort of debate about that? I admit my perspective on this is a little cockeyed, I'm a sound designer and I make my living working on movies. When movie revenues go down, they don't fire the actors and the directors, they sit pretty, they aren't dispensable.
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TPB can start playing games with different names and proxies and referrers etc., but this'll knock out 90% of the casual users.
Can you back those 90% somehow? I don't believe for a second that it's 90% or even close.
Furthermore, what will the reaction be when said BT block is shown to have zero effect?
I hate BPI and the fucking "industry" as a whole.
I don't hate actors, directors, writers, stage crew members, musicians, poets, painters and/or any other kind of artist.
I hate the industry and the fucking leeches within it who stop at nothing to keep draining money out of everyone else.
Just the other week, I paid for music which is available for zero cost, i.e no payment at all, at bandcamp. Why? Because I want to help the artist. So no, I don't "want everything for free" as someone is sure to be thinking.
In order to make this argument, you have to concede that the creators are entitled to be paid for their work, and that your problem is only over the mechanics of delivery and price discovery. Is that right?
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
Clearly there is small (but according to the RIAA; significant) part of our society that clearly feels that those "people who made the thing" make enough off of it.
FALSE. We believe the "people who made the thing" are not making enough off it, while the middle men that sit between the artist and consumer use their power and influence to extract money from the process, are. If you support the artists, pirate every fucking thing you can, and spend that money on live shows instead. The music distribution business as, it exists, is no longer needed. What artists need are PR firms and managers. People who work for THEM.
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Small correction - BT hasn't been owned by the UK government since 1984 and the government sold their last shares in the company nearly 20 years ago.
Apart from that I agree with you.
"FALSE. We believe the "people who made the thing" are not making enough off it, while the middle men that sit between the artist and consumer use their power and influence to extract money from the process, are."
So the answer is to make sure the "people who made the thing" make NOTHING off it instead of too little. All I know about the people at TPB is they deserve my money even less than the middlemen.
"if you support the artists, pirate every fucking thing you can, and spend that money on live shows instead."
My favorite artists don't do live shows, or don't do them near me.
You don't need to block EVERY user grabbing copyrighted material, you just need to block the casual ones.
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You don't need to block EVERY user grabbing copyrighted material, you just need to block the casual ones.
I agree so far, but please finish your thought: "(...) you just need to block the casual ones..." in order to achieve what exactly?
Set your phasers on "funky"!
Or use Google to search for "stuffiwant .torrent" and the results will popup from Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, and such. There's even a .torrent search extension for Firefox. If people want to download it, THEY WILL...
Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy is to make illegal distributing .torrent files containing copyrighted material. And while the sites themselves don't host the files behind a torrent, it's obvious that they are the vehicle which makes it possible to copy the warez. Then they just snipe down Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, etc. and ultimately there's not much to be found in Google results either.
Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy
Well, I have to take back some of my bullshit by adding that while killing the public torrent scene might be possible, pirated files would probably still have a bright future in some other forms in Internet...
Representations about the sort of split artists have with "middle men" are casually fraudulent [wordpress.com] and slanted pro-Free Content propaganda.
Yeah, sure. "Pro-Free Content propaganda" my ass.
The link below is a more accurate description of how the "music biz" works as it relates to artists and their relationship with the labels.
http://www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=17
BTW, I'm a semi-pro musician myself and I also hope the labels and distributors go belly-up. So do the signed artists I work & perform with regularly. The only signed artists that care about people sharing music are the very few at the top that are being marketed hard by the labels and have sold out (Metallica, I'm looking at YOU), or are in a weak position with their label and cave to pressure to join the anti-sharing propaganda machine.
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Amazing, professional musicians average about $34k a year
I would like to see a reference that backs that number... or the median salary. Then again you seem to consider the session musicians not be professionals, even though they get paid for the sessions, which probably skews your statistics.
By the way, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are statistically insignificant.
I'm a sound designer and I make my living working on movies. When movie revenues go down, they don't fire the actors and the directors, they sit pretty, they aren't dispensable.
Become an actor or director then. But remember, once again, that there are actually very few actors or directors that make it big (once again, statistically insignificant when considering the whole actor or director population).
You have to admit, aside from the "Stupid ISPs," his post was pretty dead-on. Someone wanted this, and they are fucking morons, and people will get around the blocks to pirate.
I think most people do. Heck if I could pirate avernum for the iPad (not available in my region and nobody has ripped it), I'd send Jeff Vogel the cash....
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Probably not because that joke is overplayed to death.
"Pirating everything" just puts money in the pocket of ISPs
Even if you didn't download everything, chances are you'd still need an internet connection (or, at the very least, have one). So downloading everything probably won't put any more money in the pockets of ISPs than usual.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
And that is... what? A sanity check? Oh the COURTS ordered it? So it must be fine and dandy?
Of course not. Welcome to the Moron Club. The courts (which do appear also to be a members of the Moron Club) do their work based on the laws passed and other previous judgments, making the lawgivers obvious members of the Moron Club too.
The fact is that:
1) The Pirate Bay does nothing criminal. They host no illegal material nor do they link to it. They host a list of hashes not derived in any way from illegal materials. They are just data that are useless on their own.
2) Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.
3) Any block can be easily circumvented. It's nothing but symbolic and does more harm than good on every level.
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There are already distributed search engines for .torrent files and technically there are still a lot more possibilities. .torrent files itself are just a specific implementation of a concept, and could (and will eventually) be replaced by something more advanced.
Google, TPB and all the other torrent sites are just more convenient; they are by no means an essential part of the infrastructure.
In fact,
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy is to make illegal distributing .torrent files containing copyrighted material.
You cannot stop copyright infringement with laws alone. In any case, this approach would probably involve the US proclaiming, once again, that it is the king of the world, as it seizes websites in completely different countries... Or the RIAA/MPAA could go the usual route and bribe every politician. Either way, corruption will be rampant.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
All while the more technical ones give the "casual ones" easy workarounds. But really, these people are at least proficient enough to use bittorrent, so I don't really see any such blocks preventing them from using a workaround.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
Meanwhile BT is a government-owned monopoly that took in 19 billion GPB last year.
Well that's three mistakes in one sentence. Well done! BT was privatized in 1984, over 20 years ago! They ran a lot of adverts trying to get small investors, i.e. individuals, to buy the shares. Although a lot are owned by pension funds etc now, there's still a significant percentage of stock in individual hands. So not government owned. Nor is it a monopoly; BT is actually separate companies under one umbrella. BT Openreach owns the poles, cables and exchanges, and provides access to all other ISPs and phone service providers at the same rates - including BT openworld, the ISP arm. They're heavily regulated to ensure access, and also have price caps set by the regulator. ISPs can either use the BT openreach DSLAMS in the exchanges, or fit their own.
Openreach for example, haven't got round to upgrading my exchange to ADSL2 yet, but talktalk and sky have both put their own in the exchange, so do offer ADSL2, and only pay BT openreach for rent of the copper line to my house - I don't pay BT directly at all, and the service is cheaper to boot. There's also virgin internet, our sole cable provider having bought up the others, who have an entirely separate infrastructure over about 60% of the country.
BT openworld is the largest single UK ISP because of its brand, but if you tot up the subscriber numbers of the top 6 (via ispreview.co.uk) they've got about 33% of that number; and there are many, many smaller ISPs that all have the same access to the same openreach phone lines and exchanges that the big 6 do. Note virgin, the cable provider, is the 2nd largest.
Finally, 19 billion? revenue is about £4 billion a quarter, but falling. Profit is more like £500 million a quarter, which includes all their sub-company profits.
If you were principled you'd boycott BT.
Why? BT are a private company providing wire and ISP services, same as the others. They have to follow court orders, just like everybody else. They were actually one of the people that fought the order hardest in court; but the judge has decided that he has the right to censor websites not in the UK, convicted of nothing in the UK, and that he can order private companies to spend their profits purely on the say so and to the supposed benefit of other private companies on the basis of zero reliable evidence, to whit Sony BMG, Warner Music, Universal Music and EMI.
If we should be boycotting anyone, if should be Sony BMG, Warner Music, Universal Music and EMI for their abuse of the legal system to require ISP censorship.
Or did you actually mean you just want us to boycott the internet because we must all be dirty pirates if we think blocking thepiratebay is wrong, and shouldn't pay for an internet connection but just send the money direct to artists for music we can't listen to because we have no method of downloading it any more?
Personally, I think you should use the pirate party's own proxy. I'd like to see the brouhaha when a political party that promotes civil liberties and digital rights has its website censored by court order.
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Pretty Much.
Although, I want to expand upon the idea of entitlement. I believe that it is in the best interests of society to temporarily entitle creators to be paid for their contributions in that it helps create new content for the Public Domain. I don't care about the creators nearly as much as I care about the concept of the Public Domain. It represents the sum of knowledge, all of our art, all of the hard work and expressions of our ancestors that allow us the luxury of near instantaneous communication on a magic machine.
Creators are not entitled to "own" their works or ideas. Those are free from their inception, and until the ends of time itself. For the time being until we evolve into a more advanced society it just makes sense to help the creators have clothes, food, and shelter.
If the content providers (not always the creators) are Total Dicks and want to attach more to the transaction than simply give-me-my-shit-I-give-you-the-money, then they deserve everything they get. They have no ethical basis to maintain a presence in my home post-sale, nor to constrain my conduct with the content. The only two exceptions being distribution and public performance.
So yes, my problem is the delivery method, what is delivered, different prices and capabilities based on arbitrary time lines and geography, and sometimes complete lack of availability. If you don't make it available for sale, my viewpoint is that you just lost any entitlements to the material. Especially with digital distribution and the costs being so low.
If they are willing to let me have it, on my terms, at a reasonable price, they can have my money. I currently pay for a number of services, Netflix, Slacker, etc. and purchase DVD collections of TV shows, so I am no stranger to paying for stuff.
My terms are quite reasonable too. No DRM. No PUOs on the media players. No commercials or advertisements dispersed throughout the content. No dick-brained attempts at binding me to legal agreements well outside the scope and spirit of copyright to prevent me from media shifting, time shifting, etc.
I am still getting magnet links, on BTopenworld. I guess my foreign, static DNS and MAFIAAFire are doing the job.
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In order to make this argument, you have to concede that the creators are entitled to be paid for their work
Wait... why? What if you're not saying that creators are entitled to be paid, but that they should at least have set up a way for someone to pay them if they choose to do so? It's possible for someone to argue in that way.
It is true that in our brilliant minds TBP isn't doing anything illegal. However they still got deemed as doing illegal shit according to the Swedish Court system (not saying it's right). These are facts, and due to one country saying it's illegal it's going to pop up in more countries... Once the snowball starts rolling you know
Those 90% have already asked me how to access TPB.
I only have nine links to give them.
Nine.
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My favorite artists don't do live shows, or don't do them near me.
So buy merchandise. Or, post on their fan forums, start a Facebook group etc. stating that you want a gig in $city. If enough people join, they may well do one.
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ISPs can either use the BT openreach DSLAMS in the exchanges, or fit their own.
Of course, the newest feature on the block is fibre-to-the-curb, which requires the use of BT Openreach-owned hardware for the ISPs entire network, including the links from the exchange IIRC. Plus, no matter who you're getting ADSL from you're reliant on BT Openreach for physical cabling to the exchange and their repair department is awful thanks to their monopoly - if it's an intermittent fault and it's not happening when they visit, they assume it's your equipment at fault and charge you for the visit.
The fact is that:
1) The Pirate Bay does nothing criminal. .
Under British law it is entirely possible that they have committed an offence of Assisting or Encouraging a crime. Everybody knows it is a site designed to help people get free access to material that they would otherwise have to pay for. It's even called The Pirate Bay.
Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.
This is bullshit on so many levels. Firstly, if The Pirate Bay is only hosting "a list of hashes .... that are useless on their own" how can it be considered censorship to block access to The Pirate Bay?
Secondly, there is no censorship if an information provider refuses to publish all of their information. Is it censorship for me to refuse to put my credit card number on my web site? No. Furthermore, there is no censorship if an information provider demands money for access to its information. If it were censorship then admission fees to cinemas would be censorship and they are not.
The vast majority of material that the "useless" hashes on The Pirate Bay allow you to access is available through legitimate means elsewhere. This whole thing is not about anything so virtuous as freedom of information, it is about money: whether you have to hand some over to somebody else or not if you want to watch your favourite TV show.
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they have the best prices around for the FTTC (and I _love_ my infinity).. and they were the only major ISP in the UK that balked at this court order. There is plenty wrong w/ them but at least they made a (half) stand.
how can it be considered censorship to block access to The Pirate Bay?
What!? Are you saying it's not censorship to censor an entire website?
Secondly, there is no censorship if an information provider refuses to publish all of their information.
It is if they're actively blocking the material. Under your definition, censorship doesn't even exist in any form. A religious website was blocked because someone found it objectionable? Not censorship. Completely okay.
I think your definition of censorship is pure nonsense.
Is it censorship for me to refuse to put my credit card number on my web site?
That information was never public in the first place.
If it were censorship then admission fees to cinemas would be censorship and they are not.
It's clear that you have no idea what censorship is. Blocking the content itself would be censorship.
Can you back those 90% somehow? I don't believe for a second that it's 90% or even close.
I can smell some kind of tautological No True Scotsman logic where "casual users" are defined as the people of whom 90% will leave due to this disruption.
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Allowing Game of Thrones or Max Paying 3 to be distributed is certainly critical to the functioning of a society that depends so heavily on "information". Who cares about all the free shit that Public Libraries have.. GTA IV will truly advance civilization.
It's a slippery slope, my friend. We've seen it with ACTA, DMCA, Patriot Act, TSA, anti-child porn legislation that invades the privacy of innocents, and countless other things. If censorship is allowed to exist (it will never work on those who know what they're doing, anyway), it will be abused. Especially since internet censorship can be sneaky as all hell.
It's clear that you have no idea what censorship is. Blocking the content itself would be censorship.
Most content that people get through TPB isn't blocked either.
Overpriced - yep. Censored - yep, like every other ISP. Incompetent - not as an ISP. Great uptime, decent enough speed, plus you get to use their wifi hotspots which are located in pretty much every street. If you don't mind paying they are one of the best ISPs around.
No, he has a point - they followed the court instructions, and the block has already been mitigated entirely:
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-disarms-bt-blockade-within-minutes-120619/
The proxy is a good way to use TPB (and I agree about the fallout). However, so is using Plusnet or a raft of other ISPs that haven't had court orders slapped on them yet. Make sure to tell BT why you're leaving too (of course, if you're at the start of your contract, you may have to wait a while, so the proxy is your friend).
BT aren't helpless in all this - they could run full page ads in the national papers about this, they could write to all their subscribers, they could lobby the government. They have, to their credit, shot a few lawyers at this for a while. That didn't work though, and neither did posting on /. about how upset we were. Stopping giving them money is the next thing to do.
Pretty sure they've done it via the BT DNS, the IP leads straight there with no problem. This looks like BT are doing the bare minimum to comply with the courts. Completely blocking the site in the UK is pretty impractical anyway, in this case the laws "reasonable steps" equates to the techie's "virtually ineffective". The lack of basic computer knowledge amongst UK law lords and politicians is depressing and a tad scary.
I'm all in favour of copyright, the artists/funders have to see some sort of profit from their work, but they're concentrating on the difficult stuff (stopping violations completely) and ignoring the easy stuff (make paying for it easier and better than pirating it).
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I think you're being a bit optimistic - my flatmate co-wrote a number 5 album, he got ~$10k for the first year's sales and about $1k a year from then on, it's hardly a fortune.
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I just wrote some days ago a script that collects the magnet links to torrents from the piratebay. All of them. People should have the latest one before it gets completely shut down. This will help not to loose any previous torrent at all. And instead of using torrent browser websites, we make a p2p network for torrent search. There are already systems for that. So with, or without piratebay, we gonna be ok. The bigger problem could be the deep packet inspection, but that's gonna be a cryptographic war, where there's no one with the upper hand, only for the time being. But the real deal here, is that with so much devices with networking capability, we should just avoid ISPs all together. WiFi in air.... lalalllla
I happen to be working from home today, so I'll spend a few minutes checking how they block TPB on the ISP O2, just out of curiosity.
WWW: I get a page telling me that the page has been blocked by court order
DNS: They return the correct IP address: 194.71.107.50
Traceroute: I get to thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se (194.14.56.2), but not all the way to the web server, on both a censored and a non-censored connection. This is probably because TBP filters out some ICMP packets, nothing to do with O2.
Ping: I can't ping the TPB server from any connection. (same reason as above)
So TPB have locked down their web servers pretty well. Makes things more difficult for me. I couldn't find any open ports apart from 80. So I'll do some more checking with the webserver:
No intersting headers;HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 1100
I get this page even when using the IP-address in the URL, so there is no Host: www.thepiratebay.org header.
Now let's do a traceroute on TCP port 80. First, I tried BBC, and I got some hosts outside of the O2 network, specifically:bbc-linx.pr01.thdow.bbc.co.uk . Now for TPB: The same as for an ICMP traceroute!! This is weird. It's clear that O2 are not proxying HTTP connections, at least not at the SYN packet, because the HTTP SYN packets get all the way to thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se (194.14.56.2).
OK so let's try to get the web server to leak some more information: I tried some different URLs and with "Host: 127.0.0.1", and just get the same "blocked" page. If you're on IPv6 you can have a look at the page at my local web server: http://blackhole.lan.fa2k.net/f/tpb-blocked.txt . Let's try a bogus request with telnet:[fa2k@blackhole ~]$ telnet 194.71.107.50 80 /
Trying 194.71.107.50...
Connected to 194.71.107.50.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET
HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request
Connection: close
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:00 GMT
Server: lighttpd
From the non-censored connection I get the same thing. Now I mistyped some HTML request into telnet, so I'm probably on some kind of list. Who cares, it's not illegal to be curious. Now let's try a valid HTTP 1.0 request with netcat:
[fa2k@blackhole ~]$ printf "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" > the-request.txt
[fa2k@blackhole ~]$ cat the-request.txt | nc 194.71.107.50 80
HTTP/1.0 301 Moved Permanently
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.4.4
Location: http://thepiratebay.se/
Content-type: text/html
Content-Length: 0
Connection: close
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:08:22 GMT
Server: lighttpd
Neat! This seems to come right from thepiratebay itself. Maybe the blocking software doesn't understand HTTP 1.0. And no, "http://thepiratebay.se" doesn't work in a browser. It's a different server than .org, but acts in a similar way.
A HTTP 1.1 request without a Host: part is invalid, let's see what comes up when changing "1.0" to "1.1": a 400 invalid request, it seems to still come from TPB, as it has the lighttpd header. Supplying "a" as the host, I get the 302 again.
Ok, let's send a Host: thepiratebay.se header to the thepiratebay.org server:
[fa2k@blackhole ~]$ printf "GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: thepiratebay.se\n\n" > the-request.txt
[fa2k@blackhole ~]$ cat the-request.txt | nc 194.71.107.50 80
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.4.4
Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=bbaee8ec681c1399b35cd5dba2cb7a31; path=/; domain=.thepiratebay.se
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"Pirating everything" just puts money in the pocket of ISPs, it doesn't help the artist in any material way -- Comcast, Google and AT&T thank you for your "Piracy (for Civil Disobedience)", they profit smartly off it! A hell of a lot more than the musician does.
The problem is that these "middle men" are highly exploitative of artists and the consumers. These profits are then used to solidify their monopoly position even further, and on an international scale. They are able to do this because they own all of the distribution channels. This is why the Justin Bieber's make millions, and actual _artists_ can hardly make a living wage. If these companies did not exist (in their current form), art would be sold on its merits, and more artists would be able to earn a living wage. The really good ones will continue to make millions. I mention "in their current form," because there are still quite a lot of useful services these Labels provide (promotion, management, and yes, even distribution). However, these services would provide more value to the artist if they were broken up into into smaller, more focused, businesses that work _for_ the artist, instead of the other way around.
Putting aside the intangible benefits of free promotion, piracy helps artists by tanking the business model that exploits them.
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Not everyone. The average guy would have no clue it even exists once its removed from search engines too.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Which is their goal.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Pirate Bay has already issued 2 new IP addresses for direct connection that BT hasn't blocked.
plus there are thousands of proxies that still will give you access.
Here is how to get around the block, no matter what ISP you are on that has blocked it: http://www.dude-suit.net/2012/05/the-pirate-bay-blocked-by-uk-isps-and-how-to-get-around-it/
I was replying to a post, not the article. Maybe you should learn how to use the slashdot interface before posting garbage.
Re-read this thread and try to comprehend my post properly. I'm not the OP and I'm agreeing with you. Oh dear indeed.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
Welcome to the enraged dickhead club. My point was that it is not the fault of the ISP for following what they were instructed to do by the courts. Why should they deliberately fly in the face of a court order just to satisfy your particular world view? My post had nothing to do with the legitimacy of TPB, nor was it a broad social comment on censorship in general. I simply took an issue with the fact that the OP had blamed the ISP for the decision.
2) Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.
I don't know why you linked democracy and no censorship, except perhaps you consider them both 'right'. Every democracy that has ever existed has had censorship, it has never been voted away.
Also it's duplicitous to call this censorship (although I agree in a technical sense). The information* is not banned, just a means of obtaining it without payment. It's like complaining that the police shutting down a protection racket is interfering with the free market.
* The information is the copyright content. You may claim they are censoring the "list of hashes", but then by your own admission that information is "useless on its own", so no harm can be done.... unless context and possible use matters?
So why the bloody hell are you so pissed off at them?
Iran aren't breaking any iranian laws in producing nuclear power. Why the bloody hell are you so pissed off at them?
TPB isn't breaking any laws in Sweden, so why the bloody hell are you pissed off at them?
Julian Assange didn't break any laws in the USA, Sweden, Australia or UK. So why the hell are you pissed off at him?
I'm not US so don't say "you", it just makes you appear childish and antagonistic (the only thing worse than an apologist). If you re-read my comment you will see I said local or international--Saddam Hussein broke many international laws and anyone with any basic understanding at all should have some serious concerns claiming Saddam Hussein as legally innocent.
TPB: No US intelligence or law enforcement is targeting Sweden so your argument is moot; MPAA/RIAA etc != US.
Julian Assange: Actually broke laws in 3 of those countries which have laws against distributing or being involved in the distribution of classified materials from those nations. I don't know about Sweden or how including them even helps your argument in any way shape or form.
Please build coherent arguments based on fact and not supposition or mindless drama creation. If you hate the USA just say you hate them, you don't need to jump on anything that you might be able to mindlessly twist in to something negative. You're worse than modern media.
Besides, his point is somewhat ambiguous:
If you were principled you'd boycott BT, but we all know that's not going to be the response -- it'll just be more whining about information wanting to be free, all the while feeding more cash to the people that are hostile to you, and withholding all the money from the people the make the content.
What does boycotting BT have to do with information wanting to be free? AFAIK the "information-wants-to-be-free-whiners" argument is comonly used to criticize P2P advocates and the like, not people using one ISP or other.
f it's an intermittent fault and it's not happening when they visit, they assume it's your equipment at fault and charge you for the visit.
Worse than that they charge your service provider for the visit who then charges you. So AIUI it's your service provider who has to fight to try and get you to pay a fee that should never have been charged (and who ultimately may end up having to decide between eating the cost and losing a customer) not openreach.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register