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EU Parliament Adopts eCall Resolution
arisvega writes with news that the European Parliament has pass a resolution in support of eCall, an initiative to install devices in vehicles that automatically contact emergency services in the event of a crash. The resolution calls on the European Condition to make it mandatory for all new cars starting in 2015.
"The in-vehicle eCall system uses 112 emergency call technology to alert the emergency services automatically to the location of serious road accidents. This should save lives and reduce the severity of injuries by enabling qualified and equipped paramedics to get to the scene within the first “golden hour” of the accident, says the resolution. The eCall system could save up to 2,500 lives a year and reduce injury severity by 10 to 15%, it adds."
Considering all of the crazy technology we have in even the cheapest modern cars, it is amazing something like this isn't commonplace outside of high end systems like OnStar by now. Would love to see this in the US too.
Gimme a break. every fucking accident results in 20 emergency calls; now it will be 22. Who the fuck needs this? Some asshole politician's cousin that has a business making emergency call car phones that's who. Piss on it.
We could save hundreds of thousands more lives if we just banned cars.
(If you're reading this from Brussels, don't make this the next "European Policy Initiative".)
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All this will do is add to the burden of emergency responder call centers.
They are already getting calls from everyone else around there. The only
people it will save are those who crash with nobody else around.
That might save 2,500 people in all of Europe in the next 10 years.
Far better if they prevented idiots from getting behind the wheel. That would
save many more lives.
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Therefore every car has GPS. Therefore tracking every car, including yours, is trivial. The motive only appears to be altruistic.
They can silently listen in on you. Court filings have shown that this is in fact being done. Merely having the hardware provides this ability; you need not be a subscriber. (thus I refuse to buy a vehicle with OnStar)
Just add telecommunication data retention for mobile phones (the on board unit), the possibility to switch on the device from the remote and your car isnt a private place any more but perfectly supervised by state secret service...
They know where your drive, when, and can switch on the device to listen to all what you are talking...
Even better than that, let's just make everyone immortal! Problem solved!
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The only
people it will save are those who crash with nobody else around.
I've never been to Europe but I have trouble imagining it looks like Coruscant.
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Even better than that, let's just make everyone immortal! Problem solved!
Given the fact a dead cannot die a second time, I suggest we kill every motorist. Or ask them politely to commit suicide.
One of the many reasons I don't own a cell phone is so I don't have to worry about being tracked or listened to. 99.9% of the conversations I have on the phone are at work and only have to do with work. I know I'm not the only one holding out on buying a cell phone, for whatever reason. So, we'll have GPS in every car... Mandated... Once we accept the need, because of emergency, we'll soon be forced to deal with the realities of being tracked where ever our vehicle goes. It takes 30 minutes to get to work by car. I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. A bicycle is a little out of the question... I guess I'll just have to start rebuilding cars that predate the mandate and are excluded. Cash for clunkers seemed like such a great idea at the time... Also, how do they plan to offset the expense of paying more medics to be on call, the increase in the number of ambulances needed, the number of cops that have to show up to the scene of an accident that might have happened on public property, where they can't even do anything if nobody was injured... We're already having a hard enough time paying our public servants to deal with the shit they already have to deal with. And who gets the contract to supply all these devices? Will they be manufactured in China with compromised chips like we're seeing with so many of our current electronics? You guys are already being video taped everywhere you go, and now your car will have GPS... How easy it will be for investigators to consider anybody to be a suspect that was in the general area a crime occurred? It sounds like it would be good for police because they could narrow the suspects down to just a select few to begin with, but do you want to possibly be harassed by the police for something that didn't involve you in any way? We already have plenty of people who are being found innocent of crimes they supposedly committed 15 or 20 years ago. I say fuck your tracking. As many citizens as possible should remove their bullshit mandated tracking devices and refuse to pay inspection taxes until they retract this law. A government run with no money. Too bad I didn't think of it first...
It wont fly here in the US of A. We have God to protect us from you socialists ideals. And Mitt, the demo-god of the GOP. And G stands for God, dammit!
"The in-vehicle eCall system uses 911 emergency call technology to alert the police automatically to the location of the smell of marijuana. This should aid in the war on drugs and reduce terrorism by enabling qualified and equipped homeland security agents to get to the scene within the "golden hour" of the first toke, says the resolution. The eCall system could save up to 2,500 politicians jobs a year and reduce corruption inquiries by 10 to 15%, it adds."
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
I guess it may help some people that crash in some remote place in the night (so basically where none would report it anyway).
Unfortunately it solves pretty much the wrong problem. The biggest issue with help is not that it is not notified in time, but that it cant arrive in time. There is not enough ambulances and they often have to travel vast distance to help. Adding new source of calls wont help.
Whats more they will now get more distracting calls from accidents that are resolved by participants or cops (no serious injuries - sensors cant tell about this) or even completely bogus from defective cars, so the ambulances will move around needlessly at some times (likely failing to help some extra people due to extra distance).
Allow me to sum up the first 5000 or so comments:
Oh yeah, it's an evil conspiracy. Sure. "They" will monitor every car in the world through this, because... uh... no idea.
Funny how geeks have become innovation-phobic. It used to be the other way around.
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who's going to pay for it?
Especially since Natalie Portman doesn't live in Europe, AFAIK.
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. . . if the motion detector registers serious jolts or shaking that could only be the results of an accident, it automatically calls 112. Just remember to turn it off when you engage is any extreme sports. Hell, why not just plug your phone into the car, and let the car use your own phone to do the calling?
I hate it when devices are made mandatory. They always end up being piss-poor quality, designed by bureaucrat committees. If private companies can offer these things instead, with no "must" behind it, they will come up with something cheap that folks will buy on their own. Look at car GPS navigation systems, and think about what they might have looked like, if a government decided how they were to be built. Hurl.
I think the EU Parliament must be located in some sleazy Amsterdam space cake bar. Strong shit you get there . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Do they have a single federal government now? I'm confused, I thought European states hadn't yet completely lost their minds and decided to have a single government that could override their individual governments and bully them and push them around... if Europe is looking at the United State of America (yes, State, singular...) as an example of how to run a successful conglomerate nation/state, perhaps they should wait and see, since our nation is not that old yet, and being as it is in a state of flux, (from sovereign states consenting to be led to a national government that regards the formerly sovereign states as slaves to be commanded) the US of A is not a finished product, but a work in progress. However, though many might consider me, for writing this, one of the right-wing cry-babies throwing a now four-year long temper-tantrum over having a Kenyan (or more realistically, half-Kenyan) president, (I'm not...) I am warning you now, Europe.
The thing that made the American system work as long as it did, and survive and prosper as it has seemed to, was two fold. First, the autonomy of the individual states kept power away from the federal government when technology hadn't evolved to the point where the differential in power between the individual whose sovereign power the power of the federal government derives from (ostensibly with his CONSENT) has become so many orders of magnitude different... that power has been GRABBED, and is forever lost, since the federal government will never return it, and another successful revolution would be impossible at this point... (remember the largest contributing factors in the success of the original American Revolution were distance and apathy). Second, this nation stole most of its wealth from the blood, sweat and tears first of Native Americans, then later of African slaves. Since those resources were absorbed and extracted, that wealth has been floating around in the system, but has slowly been squandered and spent on energy... it's running low, and we don't really have the means to replace it. America was doing okay, more or less, when it was a largely agrarian nation, and now that so few things are made in the US anymore, (compared to the ratio of things made domestically to imports during and after the industrial revolution, before globalization,) now that we're returning to a system in which the bulk of our collective income comes from farming the land we stole, our level of prosperity will be limited to what we can reap from the Earth, which isn't going to be enough to sustain the extravagant lifestyle to which our nation has become accustomed.
Having a world-conquering super-military, skyscrapers going up in every major metropolitan area, by the dozens, having multiple companies building mega-yachts catering to a large, parasitic upper-crust of society has become a dream (of the upper-crust's) that we will not be able to sustain. Much of the financial trouble in the world today comes from the super-rich hoarding what's left of the money, extracting through financial shenanigans money from various economies, including the US, without actually increasing the value. By way of explanation, if someone buys a portion of a company, and either through manipulation or just good guesswork, holds those shares until their value has substantially increased, then sells them, pocketing the difference between purchase and sale prices, he has exploited the system of private ownership of companies, to become richer, (he has more money,) despite the fact that he has personally done NOTHING WHATSOEVER to add value to that company. Where'd the money he pocketed come from? Basically, he stole it.
You could argue back that he added value by providing, though his investment, capital that the company used to operate... but first off, the person who sold it had already done that... they already had the capital, so what the hell did it matter who owned those shares? How did the person who bought and sold it contribute a penny to the running of that business? He di
If the device is not in radio contact until you crash (so they can't track the IMEI of your car) then I'm fine.
If on the other hand the device has a constant connection, i'll be jamming/breaking the bitch.
Far better if they prevented idiots from getting behind the wheel. That would save many more lives.
It would but the only realistic way to do that is to perfect driverless cars (which not many people would object to), then make the use compulsory (which a lot of people would object to).
The big cities do. The biggest cities in the US are still only a couple of centuries old - they were planned carefully, and during most of their growth designed to accomodate cars. European cities, though, can be millenia old and inhereted road layouts optimised for walking. So while the cities of the US are usually built to a grid plan, the cities of Europe resemble a bowl of spagetti.
One problem is: How will it tell apart a serious accident in which people were hurt, and one in which the car was damaged but the people inside were unscathed. Once it gets installed in all cars, this could result in emergency services rushing to places where they are not needed, wasting time.
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Modern wiring harnesses are designed to be (a) fast to assemble and disassemble) (b) reliable (c) as foolproof as possible, hence the different connectors. Those of us with long memories can recall when cars had hardly any wiring at all, yet it was always going wrong (cables frayed, bullet connectors pulled, contacts corroded, mechanics connected the wrong wire during a service and nobody noticed till the brakes started the indicators flashing).
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Once a dysfunctional group gets any power at all, it leverages it. Mildly sociopathic Libertarians manage to get mod points, mod up less mild sociopaths, and before long the monkeys have the key of the banana plantation as they all mod one another up in a circular hell (the reference is to Huis Clos by Sartre). Apply this to your own specific interest group. (Note to Libertarians: if you mod me down you are betraying your own principles. Cognitive dissonance is your friend here.)
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
The real question is : which manufacturers will disable the GSM part (still keeping GPS in sync) when not in an emergency ?
If this does not happen, tracking each and ever car in the country is trivial, for govt., ISPs/telcos, as well as for simple individuals (as has been demonstrated by researchers years ago)
Also, which car manufacturers will log the route ? (a lot of precedents already !)
I hope people will review these systems !
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they were planned carefully
No, they weren't planned at all in many cases. The older cities have been retrofit for cars in-town. The newer cities were built with cars in mind but with little or no planning.
The local legend here is that a plow was harnessed to a wild hog. Where he plowed, they paved.
Ok, it's mandatory now, but where is the exact specification of the system ?
I was involved in a eCall prototype device a few years ago and this was a totally crap technology. Basically this was a analog software modem on top of a GSM call, witch is a pretty stupid idea, given the fact that a SMS is a lot cheaper, reliable and faster to transmit the few data that eCall require. A few company proposed algorithms that aggressively abuse the GSM compression to pass a ridicule amount of data per second. All those algorithm are patented and require to pay licence to use them. Big business and big lose of time to only provide an expensive, slow and unreliable technology that is completely obsoleted by a 20 year old SMS. I hope that there have trow all of that crap into a trash.
We already have the situation where it is too expensive to get a perfectly usable car through it's annual MOT ( road worthiness ) test because one of a bunch of sensors don't work or whatever. It means that good cars get scrapped, and ultimately the car manufacturers ( Germany ) sell more cars to the rest of Europe.
It's one area where no lobbyists are required , since the German Gov't has the keys to the Euro bank, and wants more.
It's time this scam was finished before we have to go back there with a bunch of new Spitfires.
I think there's a bit of grey between "infallible" and drives with an iPad on the wheel (yes, I've seen that).
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The EU economy is tanking, so let's make driving cost more.
What do you mean, you don't want one of these in your car?
It's not up to you. Think of the children! it's up to us. We decide what's good for you and your family. Yes, you have to pay, or we'll put you in jail.
But don't worry.
You can trust us. In this and all things. Well, you have to. You don't have a choice.
What's that? you're going to vote for someone else?
Good, isn't it? that's all we allow you to do, and it's useless.
What's that? you're going to form a new political party?
Oh yes. I forgot. You can vote and it that doesn't work, you can form a new party.
Fantastic, isn't it? we practically have tenure.
What's that? you thought you were free?
No. You're blind.
This could easily be encourage by adjusting taxes so that companies pay more for on site workers than they do for telecommuters.
The service industry, especially food service and retail that already pay minimum wage or close to it, would lobby hard against this.
Basically a fine idea. Of course, it wouldn't work here in Amerika, they'd swiftly pervert it somehow to use it to watch us. History proves this.
Also, what's the European Condition? "The resolution calls on the European Condition to make it mandatory..."
Peace.
Sorry, call me a guy wearing a tin foil hat, but I DO NOT want an automated system like this, or On Star in any vehicle I drive, but, I'm sure that the sheeple will go for it, because "it's for the children" bla bla bla. Franklin said this in 1759 and it rings true today: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." If you install something like a phone system, which is nothing more than a fancy radio TRANSMITTER & RECEIVER, do you not think the government has the ability, legally or illegally to tap into it anytime they want? Once these become "commonplace", combine this with in car GPS, and the next step will be automated traffic tickets, or, automated warnings and automatic speed control. People don't understand the mind of a statist-socialist-marxist-control freak. They want the moon, but, know that if they ask for the moon, people will push back HARD, but, if you institute change over time, a little here, a little there that by the time they figure out what happened, it will be too late.
One of the many reasons I don't own a cell phone is so I don't have to worry about being tracked or listened to.
These cell phones are OFF most of the time. They turn on only after a vehicle has had a collision. When you're involved in a collision, you want to be tracked by those who would give you needed medical attention.
It takes 30 minutes to get to work by car. A bicycle is a little out of the question
How much of that 30-minute commute is moving on a highway, how much is moving on a city street, and how much is remaining stopped until the traffic signal changes?
I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. A bicycle is a little out of the question
Try having your first cigarette of the day one minute later each day. After two months, your body will be used to getting its first dose of nicotine an hour later, and you're likely to start feeling less of an urge to smoke.
GPS now calls the cops whether you want it to or not. Please tell me I'm paranoid again; I've built a lovely collection of I-told-you-so's. The GPS function of a phone is primarily a tracking device, and we are now smoking, charcoal-broiled frogs.
If you desire the advantages-and-disadvantages of having eCall in your car, then feel free to buy one and have it installed -- in your car.
Don't force it on the rest of us.
Radio is still free in Europe, as far as I know. Satellite radio is not offered here, and I don't want it either. The largest national broadcaster here is [still] trying to push DAB radios.
Your country doesn't have the skills, know-how or ability to make anything remotely like a Spitfire any longer. Please, just leave the EU as soon as possible, you won't like losing access to your main markets - but we will certainly get over "losing" you.
The EU is not one economy, that's what fools like you never seem to understand. Germany is doing great, Scandinavia is just fine and so on. Greece and Spain are at the other end.
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