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Google+ Account Suspended? You Won't Find Out Why
jfruh writes "Dan Tynan is a tech writer and blogger who discovered, while trying to post links to his writing on his Google+ profile, that his account had been suspended. This despite the fact that he used his real name and didn't violate the terms of service in any other way. Upon appeal his account was reinstated, just as mysteriously as it was shut down, but along the way he discovered a rash of people with suspended Google+ accounts who can't figure out what they did to anger the Google gods."
Is Google acting like the TSA?
After last week's YouTube story about being prompted to use one's real name, I went to Google+ and deliberately changed my account to a fake name. Go ahead Google, kick me out of your ghost town. It's even less useful than LinkedIn, so nothing of value will be lost.
I'm starting to think that some of these companies are up to something they aren't saying.
Art thou not aware of thine own future? Art thou so evil, one cannot trust thy anymore? Woe is me. Woe is me...
Honest question. How many of those banned users are fabricated by the facebook anti google pr machine?
Author Dan Tynan has been writing about Internet privacy for the last 3,247 years.
Uh, what?
I move that Google+ should be renamed Google+ RTM. Rush being the key word. Lack of planning and proper procedural modelling.
Even Google has bugs!
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
No online 'social' network will ever tell you why, I'm not sure why this is, but the only thing I can think of is "well we got the money and it's a 'free' service, so let them F#CK themselves"
the short, fun version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ymyWS82NsY
The long, serious version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hATC_2I1wZE
The original, analog version
http://www.amazon.com/1984-Signet-Classics-George-Orwell/dp/0451524934
I would publish all this golden info on your Google+ account, rather than SlashDot.
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
"Mysterious and known moderations (mostly by editors) can't get you comment banned here and for some unknown length of time. As well as mod points given and taken away. Slashdot does shady stuff like this all the time, why is what google doing news?"
"Can't get you banned here"
WTF?
If you really do want to get banned, I am sure your IP address could get banned.
It's going great! How's Romney going? With his empathy towards unemployment, after-all, he has been for a while too. And his ability to directly relate with the people! I don't like either side of the argument, I just hate propaganda that is single-sided (I guess all of it is.) I really wish our nation would collectively come together and demand suggested actions that the people will take, detailed action plans and the like, and require that the president follow-through with them or justify the lack-of following their own action plan.
"Mysterious and known moderations (mostly by editors) can't get you comment banned here and for some unknown length of time. As well as mod points given and taken away."
Have you read the TOS for moderators? ( http://tech.slashdot.org/moderation.shtml ) I'm not going into rant mode but go look at /. a little harder and you might see it for what it's for.
It sounds to me you are ungrateful.
I'm here for the experience, not the Hyperbole.
Right there is your problem. You view them as something they are not: they are mere mortals driven by their own devices and vanity. You cannot rely on them or be accountable especially if the stuff they give you is "free" (not really, you pay dearly with your privacy, the only commodity that matters and that you give up for free so easily).
By shifting our online communication to a few proprietary services like Facebook, Twitter, and G+, this is exactly what we're begging for: censored tweets, data-mining of everything we say for advertisement purposes, EULAs that grant ownership of our pictures and videos to those services, and more.
Collectively, internet users are *begging* for this kind of world, where we can only communicate at someone else's whim.
I thought Google+ stopped requiring real names a while ago?
Once I heard they had stopped this requirement I reopened my G+ account. I've hardly used it, but haven't had any problems with it being suspended.
I wonder if this user's account was hacked and the hackers decided to stir up some shit? Though he'd probably notice this if it were the case.
Either way, I've not used G+ very much. After the whole real name debacle last year, it just felt like a less friendly place.
Stinks like Google's anomaly detection ML algorithms are now also being poisoned.
Preemptively delete your G+ account. I'd like to see them suspend it then. While I can't speak for everyone, it's certainly worked for me. I've never had my deleted G+ account suspended, nor have I faced the uncertainty of determining why an account has been suspended.
don't complain when you get grabs...
Perhaps they used Google to search for the Bing website?
sudo make me a sandwich
Imagine how we felt in the early days of AdSense and PPC advertising with noone to talk to when we ran into issues. And these were services that cost us money and generated actual revenue for Google.
Good luck suckers!
If people don't want to use their real name, then they shouldn't have to. The ONLY reason they want a real name is to track you and pass information to the NSA.
I have no desire to have my real name floating around where anyone can easily look up where I live etc etc. This is why I will never use any online service that requires it.
I wonder if Outlook.com requires a real name, their link to the TOS didn't work when I tried yesterday. Go figure.
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
This has been building for a while and I've been thinking of not using their services for anything important anymore. I think, overall, that using any "ecosystem" is a terrible mistake. I got locked out of my Google account a few months ago and found it very difficult to get access to my docs. Maybe this ecosystem stuff has just run its course, we're living on other people's networks too much and need to start installing and maintaining our our postfix servers agains. I might start on it this weekend. And, yes, requiring real names is a mistake. Sometimes people need to ask "dumb" questions and not look bad in a Google search.
Suspend a tech writer's account and what is he going to do? If there is no such thing as bad publicity. . .
Yet another example of how centralized systems are bad.
Social networks, torrent indexes, search engines, you name it. All of them censored and/or unreliable.
We need decentralization.
Same happens at MS.. upload a file that violates their code of conduct policy to MS sky drive, and your windows 7 phone account will be permanently blocked without telling what file caused it or getting any good response.
Note that that includes files that are not yet shared of, and includes partial nudity
The "block and report for spam" is abused like CRAZY on twitter to censor accounts.
He probably pissed off some faction of jackasses who take opposing opinions as personal attacks and "hate speech," thus justifying abuse of the system.
They can suspend all they want. Who uses this thing seriously?
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You should know that customer service is not really Google's strong suit. Behind every single one of their services is some really smart guy creating an automated algorithm/process that runs said service. Its how their entire company runs (And why they're so good at certain things) Unfortunately, there is no one there to know or care about your petty meat space issues. If it's not part of the system the support goon that reads your emails really has no answers for you.
Other companies with traditional have a gaggle of departments and middle management. It's people driven instead of machine driven. This has it's ups and it's downs, but it means that if you bitch enough you might be able to get someone to cough up an answer.. Or BS you enough to give up.
My bet is that the blogger's account got caught up in some sort of automated sweep.. And upon receipt of the blogger's complaint, the support goon found no obvious violations and simply un-ticked the shit-can-this-account checkbox.
But noooo! Google is God! So sayeth the fanbois.
As is the case with those referring to Obama as a "messiah," I get the feeling that the only people who actually say that are douche bags trying to demonize "the other guys."
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Step 1. Post links sure to get your self banned on G+
2. Don't actually attempt to contact anyone at G+ about your account; simply click "recheck link on profile"
3. Post on Slashdot notice of your banning - make sure to state you didn't break the rules ever, except for those times you did.
4. Tell visitors you didn't miss G+; but you still feel its worth wasting their time by having them read about your lack of missingness of G+
Yes, I just coined the term "missingness" when items aren't simply missing; but they are so unfindable they have a high missingness rating.
- http://www.milkme.co.uk
“Do not meddle in the affairs of the Google, for it is not subtle and quick to anger.”
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
Yup - good plan trusting third parties to take care of all your services for you.
Iran: was happening under Bush. Would be happening under Romney too. ... that's just sad.
Egypt/Libya: glad they are free.
Debt problem: real problem, but caused by Bush policies. At least things are headed in a better direction.
Regulatory issues: predate Obama.
Health care: definitely an improvement for me, and businesses are still hiring.
Unemployment: could be better, but IS better than most of the world right now.
GDP: problem predates Obama. At least it is headed in the right direction.
OBL: got the job done. If you want to claim he did all the work, you better agree with me on giving him all the credit on all the bad stuff he set up in his 8 years.
Green energy making great strides, and Solyndra burned by the Chinese spending even more to ensure we'd have to buy the technology from them.
Not sure what your point is about the racist in the Justice dept, haven't heard anything to make me think that's remotely true.
Agenda on guns: conspiracy theory crazy.
If you can't see you're on the wrong (morally) side of the photo id laws
Auto Industry: basically everyone thinks that turned out well.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
It's a good thing none of you are aware of the post of doom. Mod it, and you lose mod privileges for life.
We still don't know why, and inb4 I'm sacked for bringing it up.
Seriously though, the mod system sucks, we are all aware of it and nobody does anything about it. Makes Slashdot sound sort of like Gotham, really...
A few years back, I set up a Google banner on a forum I run. After my income reached the $100 minimum for payout, it was mysteriously closed down for "illegal clicks". I offered to provide all of my log files as proof there was no illegal activity or repeat clicks but they wouldn't hear it. There is no way to contact them other than email. No phone number. They did not respond to any of my emails. The account is still suspended, to this day. If they decide you are cut off, whether right or wrong, you are gone...permanently. Google sucks.
Google has a real name policy on Google+. However, Dan Tynan's profile wasn't using his real name. He was on G+ as Dan Tynan, whereas if you go to Wikipedia, you can see that his real name is Daniel Tynan.
Q.E.D. :)
(in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if it was something as pedantic as this!)
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I just don't post anything on my google+ account ever. If my google account was suspended i'd lose email, docs, drive, calendar etc.
Its too dangerous to use. Why risk it. F**k google+
This is the problem with freely offered services. You can be subject to an incredibly arbitrary policy. It might make sense to pay a small monthly fee, therefore you have some true legal recourse.
Took long enough to ban MyCleanPC.
Oops, I used the keyword "MyCleanPC," will my account be banned next?
I can mend the break of day, heal a broken heart, and provide temporary relief to nymphomaniacs.
it just looks like not spending it would be... a bad idea.
Thanks for the info, bonch/jo_ham
"stuck using a really crappy OS."
Many more options with a PC than an Apple. Try some out, my friend.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I'd like to tell you that my IP address has been banned here before, but it's *not* *my* *IP address*. I share it with 6500+ users at any given time.
And some of them are truly morons. Not me of course.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
No, ./ will just send a hit squad over to your place and implement a more permanent multi-platform ban. Way more effective.
Stop feeding it. Please.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Business isn't around to "hire", as every right winger I've ever met is so quick to point out, yet every time I hear one spouting tax cuts for business (so they'll hire) and less regulation (so they'll hire). It seems to me you right wing freaks should take your own advice. Business is there to make money.
You see, this is where we America in particular got lost. We lost sight of the fact that we are a society and that Capitalism was originally intended as a better system for encouraging everyone to collaborate for the common good of all citizens. Those that offer jobs and those that fulfill the needs of the jobs are in a symbiotic relationship. The executive boards of the corporations are small in numbers, not able to do the actual amount of work their companies need to bring in the revenue and everyone needs a job to feed and clothe their families and things they need to be able to go to work. The idea is that there is a supposed to be a balance between these two parties that produces the ideal amount of economic output, making the lives of everyone in the country as good as possible. To not acknowledge this and not try to do your best to facilitate this or even worse trying to circumvent or abuse it for your own gain is being a bad citizen. What good are corporations that take so much money out of the system that there is no money left for everyone else? They wouldn't survive very long because eventually they wouldn't have any employees and that would result in a total economic collapse.
This reminds me of the song by Alice Cooper, "Lost in America"
"I can't get a girl
cuz I ain't got a car
I can't get a car
cuz I ain't got a job
I can't get a job
cuz I ain't got a car
So I'm looking for a girl with a job and a car
Don't you know where you are
Lost in America"
We'll make great pets
Whoops, bug in automated code. People think they're being targeted.
Why would you have an account on Google? Their search works fine without it. Their video streaming works fine without it. If your ISP has an IMAP server and maybe some form of webmail for emergencies, that takes care of mail. None of their other services are worth much.
Because your "self-correcting" "free-market" doesn't regulate itself, contrary to current popular corporate propaganda.
Except we "invented" sophisticated options and other derivatives that most people have no idea exist or how they work. These are not market activities, they are complicated obfuscated betting schemes that only benefit very wealthy people and corporations. These "instruments" or "vehicles" actually subvert the market in subtle ways that are kept out of view. How can you let banks bet on defaults without tracking AND regulating these transactions in excruciating detail? It is easy for the "market" to take on so many of these things without anyone knowing the true extent of their net risk that it is chilling just thinking about it. Mind blowing to think most of them are legal. There is nothing self-correcting about derivatives and they do not benefit the market as a whole--they should be illegal. Gambling creates nothing which is why sane societies should ban it from the market. Other than that, the free market is the best thing going and presents dignified opportunity for everyone.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
it's amusing how personally people take these things. I'm sure Google has millions of accounts, many of them fake, and they cannot commit great amounts of personal attention to investigate each one. So many likely get lumped in with some sort of an anti-spam or anti-abuse system. And do you figure Google can personally respond to each and every request for clarification? I dunno, people are just so personally tied to these online entities of themselves that they expect an equally personal treatment, but with the amount of data Google deals with, I doubt that that's possible.
Such as?
Personally, I think anybody who uses Google+ as part of their way of doing business has a screw loose.
You are putting your business at the mercy of an organization that has proven itself to be capricious, if not malicious. Not to mention their downtime. This is just more proof.
Get a clue.
No they are struggling because they can't find a sure-fire no-risk investment for their piles of cash. Poor dears, got what they wanted, expanded among the globe, the greed or bad policy or whatever came home to roost, and after the dust cleared they found their customers out of money. So they sit pouting on piles and piles of cash waiting for another easy buck.
Although Henry Ford was trying to benefit himself by raising worker's pay substantially (pressuring competitors, attracting best workers) he hit the nail on the head when said that his employees needed to be able to afford his products too. If people can't buy fucking iPads and new cars we are out of business people!! It's not rocket surgery.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
It is my real name
Nullius in verba
Once again Slashdot links to a woefully inadequate article that only details one side of the story as a blatant attack on whatever service the author decides to pull out of his ass.
If you could anyone could actually be bothered to take a few minutes to find more informative articles, you'll come across Google's Official response:
"Google tries to provide a World-Class Social Networking Service. In order to meet the high standards of our users, we must be diligent in monitoring the behavior of our users to identify and block parties that may be a threat to the enjoyment of our site and safety to other users. In this case we saw that this particular user was using Google+ far too much, essentially using it for more than 5 minutes a day, which is a big red flag, since everyone knows that no one uses Google+ for anything. As such, he was blocked for being a spam bot. However, since receiving his butt-hurt email, we have reinstated his account, since spam-bots are incapable of getting their jimmies rustled."
Consider how many people are served by Google's services. Gmail alone has approximately 425 million users, the vast majority of whom pay no money for the service. Despite what they may think, they are not "customers," they are a "resource." Google's customers are the advertisers who want access to Google's resource. Therefore it is reasonable to expect that Google has staff devoted to answer the questions of its customers, but not the people who make up its resource. It could not afford to pay a support staff to be available to speak/write to each of those people on-demand, so it doesn't. Similar large, non-paid services are the same.
In fact, years ago when I was paying Yahoo for Web hosting and mysteriously lost access to my account, a Yahoo CSR told me I wasn't paying enough money for the privilege of talking to someone and hung up on me after I listened to hold music for three hours. I got an email form letter three days later telling me there was nothing they could do. And that was for a paid service. I was a little fish in a big pond. With non-paid services, you're not even a little fish. You're a speck of bacteria living on the algae in the pond. That's not to say that these services are bad, but you have to understand what they are, who you are to them and gauge the risks before you invest too much in them.
..without warning or good reason: http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/6373 -- You may find reason behind the suspension, but according to their own stated reason, I didn't meet the criteria for it. And logically, ethically, and for all practical purposes, their action was completely absurd, especially considering that you can easily watch videos of people being eaten by lions in front of their own families, gators tearing off arms, and scores of other terribly violent things -- without even logging in!
In my most arrogant opinion: Google = DoD, NSA, and before long, probably fascism too, if not already.
Forward! -- Emperor Norton, 2012
You do know the point of competition is to try to be better than your competitors, right?
Especially so when you're the underdog. No one cheers for a stupid underdog.
A couple weeks ago I was blocked from posting comments on slashdot. When I tried, i got the accusatory message: "You are not allowed to use this resource.", as if I was trying to do something I shouldn't be doing. I felt unfairly targeted.
It may have been some kind of ban on my mobile broadband ip address. The problem hasn't recurred. (I get a new IP every time I log on.)
If that's what it was, it points out how unfair ip-based blocks are.
Google is more evil than Microsoft ever was.
Sounds like they may have a robotic that bans accounts that are posting similar URLs over and over. I can imagine a blogger linking to his own blog over and over in google+ posts, being flagged by a robotic, and getting banned automatically. As long as they have a solid process to reinstate legitimate accounts who were banned unfairly, I'm fully in favor of this approach to reducing spam.
And proudly wearing a hairshirt can drive beaucoup page views...
Forgive the offtopicness, but I couldn't let this one fly:
Debt problem: real problem, but caused by Bush policies. At least things are headed in a better direction.
Wrong! Under the Bush presidency, the deficit never reached the $502 billion mark. Since 2009, the deficit has never reached BELOW the $1300 billion mark. I don't think it's Bush's policies that are the problem. Also note that the President does not write policy. Congress does. In Jan 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6%. Since 2009, it has not been below 8%. What changed in Jan 2007? Democrats took control of Congress.
Source
Not sure what your point is about the racist in the Justice dept, haven't heard anything to make me think that's remotely true.
Black Panthers harassed voters in front of a polling place. The justice department did nothing. If that were a Klan member doing the exact same thing, don't you think the Justice Department would have prosecuted?
If you can't see you're on the wrong (morally) side of the photo id laws ... that's just sad.
If you can't see that without ID laws that it's REALLY easy to vote for other people and almost impossible to catch... that's just dumb.
http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-16/metro/31062045_1_voter-fraud-absentee-ballot-application-absentee-voting-laws
http://www.wtoc.com/story/16571904/south-carolinas-attorney-general-detects-voter-fraud-for-primaries
http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/mississippi-naacp-leader-sent-to-prison-for-10-counts-of-voter-fraud/
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
other than "I will as soon as you F4ing write it!!" would be
"and what part of the Kama Sutra covers %product_or_service%"
Any person using FTFY or editing my postings agrees to a US$50.00 charge
Iran: Jimmy Carter.
Egypt/Libya: So far so good. But Muslim Brotherhood is NOT a friend to the US.
Debt Problem: been an issue since WWII, with moments of sanity during good years. Mostly good when (R) congress and (D) president can't agree (or Visa Versa).
Regulation of everything now includes opening Chicken Sandwich Restaurants in economically depressed areas, just because one expresses an opinion.
HealthCare: Haven't seen the exodus of Doctors and practices due to MORE regulation of industry, nor the full impact of all the new taxes upon the poor and middle class. Nor adding MILLIONS of new patients and thousands of new IRS agents and NOT a new single doctor. Yeah, that's gonna work out just fine!
Unemployment: Should be 1/2 what it is. Obama promised it wouldn't go above 8% if we passed stimulus, and it hasn't been below 8% since. Good Job!
GDP: sucks. Nicely done
OBL: You didn't do that (it was Seal Team Six, after you nixed the raid three times) But yeah, okay, we'll give you that one. Yay.
Green Energy: You REALLY want to mention this? REALLY? Solyndra et al (more than just a few). GM can't sell a Volt. Yeah, that's working out well
Gun: 2nd Amendment is about to be abolished using international treaty, rather than repeal of the Amendment. No Conspiracy there. Gun Control doesn't work anywhere it is been enacted.
Voter IDs: Because the (D)s have to find all the votes they can from all the dead and illegal voters they can dredge up. Can't win otherwise. Yay. (not to mention Big Sis' drones patrolling US skies)
Auto Industry. Ford is doing okay, Government Motors is having HUGE problems. FORD turned down the loans.
It all depends on how you look at things. ;)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Rates of voter fraud are extremely low. Rates of voter disenfrachisement under id laws are very high. I suppose it's vaguely possible for someone to think that the first is worse than the second ... but ... it boggles my imagination.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
You must be joking here. They're merely transitioning from an authoritarian nationalistic regime to an authoritarian religious regime. I fail to see freedom there, and Obama/Clinton are pushing for a repeat of this scenario in Syria as well. Freedom is something else, but not this travesty and head first jumping right into the abyss of darkness, IMHO.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
"Does your PC fit in the same number of cubic inches the mini does?"
Less in my laptop, actually, with higher specs, including dual GPUs. Plus I have a 32" monitor, wireless keyboard/mouse, mixer board, 5.1 speaker system, and much more, all well under the price of just the Mac Mini.
>mfw people can't comparison shop.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Sager, which you can get for half the price of a similarly-equipped (actually better since OSX doesn't support anything past a 5770 currently) Mac. Oh, and if you're GOOD enough, you could just drop MenuetOS on it and have your own OS in under 20 MB, running faster than anything you've ever seen - from a FLASH DRIVE.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"It's still all Bush's fault." Please read my sig. Have a good day AC Troll!
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your politician, and hitting them?"
"The 55-year-old New Yorker said that computer users should be keen to keep their information in their own hands, rather than hand it over to a third party."
15TW = 15,000 Nuclear Reactors. (Approx. one accident a month.)
... "pray that we will not suspend it any further".
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Yet you're posting as an AC.
Oblivion Awaits
Rates of voter fraud are extremely low. Rates of voter disenfrachisement under id laws are very high. I suppose it's vaguely possible for someone to think that the first is worse than the second ... but ... it boggles my imagination.
My links named people committing voter fraud. Can you give me the names of people who have been disenfranchised due to voter ID laws?
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
When it comes to customer service, there is no such thing with them.
It's always try to ferret out a non-definitive answer on their forums if you have an issue, rather than "here's the issue, this is what you need to fix it, and how we can help you do that."
Maybe they should try investing some of those profits in customer service. But yeah, it's the internet, if you have a problem it must be your fault.
If you, like me, disapprove of the way how Google deals with that matter, tell them! Send them your opinion as feedback. Rate down this page - http://support.google.com/plus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1228271 - and click "the solution is not ideal". Comment on posts of Google employees.
As long this is just a matter that affects a couple dozen people amont millions, Google won't give a shit, but if a large group of people complains, they will have start to start moving their asses.
So, it is the same effort but the effect will be bigger if you post/address Google instead of the Slashdot forums.
Have you been living in a cave ?
Linux: Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuse, Arch, Android, etc
Windows: 7, Vista, XP, etc
Unix: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, etc
and many others like FreeDOS and ReactOS
Some are experimental, others are very stable. Pick one !
All this cloud shit makes me sick.
...and you win the 100% irrelevant prize with whoosh cluster.
I guess the sarcasm was lost.
One of the persons suspended by Google has an "unusual name". She didn't say what.... maybe Blossom or Flower or something. In any case she pointed-out the name on G+ is the same as the name on her credit card (which she registered to make paymentws), but that's not good enough for the Microsoft... Apple... ooops, I mean Google fuckup corporation. It deserves to be boycotted.
The name on the credit card is a vanity plate. The thing that matters is the credit card number + security code. The name is, if anything, decorative, although it's sometimes used by diligent companies to cross-check order name, delivery location, and so on. Most companies are not that diligent.
I'm going to guess there are a lot of people with common names who have the same name on their credit card, but that doesn't mean that they'd all get the same "John Smith" Google+ account; some of them would have to live with "John Smith in Ottumwa" or something like that to make the account identifier unique.
I wasn't able to find an OS called Sager.
MenuetOS runs just fine on a Mac.
All of those run just as well on a Mac as they do on a PC.
Some idiot hijacked your Slashdot account...
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Entered the wrong password 3 times?
Curse those evil bastards at Google!!!!
Nope. It's just that I can read, apparently unlike most Slashdotters.
So far nobody has managed to give an example of an OS that will run on a PC but not on a Mac. Perhaps that's because a Mac IS a PC....
While I agree with your criticism of derivative trading, this doesn't make the "free market" a good idea. Free markets inevitably tend towards either monopolies or oligopolies unless regulated to prevent this, and monopolies and oligopolies inevitably tend towards abuse of power. Subtly if they must, blatantly if it's safe.
As a result I feel that the obvious solution is to set the tax level based on the percentage of the market owned. For anything over 1/5th of the market, the tax rate should be exorbitant. For a total monopoly, it should be 100% of sales. And ownership should be cumulative, i.e., if two companies are more than 1/3 owned by another company, then the tax rate on those companies should be the same as if their market share were combined.
The obvious problem with this scheme is that there is no reliable definition of what a market is. If a company sells condoms, is the market only condoms, or does it include other birth control mechanisms? Other medical devices? Still, even an imperfect answer would be better than relying on "the free market" to correct the problem.
N.B.: This same potential for abuse operates in every area subject to monopoly. Thus local police frequently abuse their monopoly over the right to use force, etc.
Do note, however, that this principle has serious problems in application. Any entity able to apply coercive force in an area, say over a monopoly, is itself likely to have monopoly power in that area, and thus to be likely to abuse it's power. I don't believe I've seen a plausible solution to this problem that has humans in the decision role. And the plausible solutions are not currently technically possible. (Plus, getting from the current situation to a desirable state that does not experience these problems does not look trivial. It probably would involve a long transition where the human administrators of the system became more and more figureheads, and the real decisions were made by the nominally subservient non-human intelligences. But many different end-states could be reached through that same transition, not all of them, perhaps not the majority of them, desirable.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
That is why I never want to keep all my web site accounts in one basket. No way.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
If you rely on virtualization, then there is virtually (!) No OS that you can't run on a Mac. Butt that's not what the discussion started out as. It was about coding the machine with the 'native' OS, i think, and not about how to shoehorn on another one.
And Mac hardware is still pricey.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I think the text was meant to read "and did not violate ... in any way", saying "in any other way" implies there was some violation...am I the only one to be bothered by the? Extra words....
Google+ is just a copy of Facebook with a slightly different look. Except it sucks, no one uses it, and Google wasted a lot of money on it. Innovation isn't about copying success of others.
You seriously believe this shit? The 2nd amendment paranoia in particular suggests you be kept away from batman showings.
You should google "bootcamp."
A Mac is a PC with an EFI BIOS. To run whatever you want you just need something to deal with EFI. Apple's bootcamp is targeted at Windows, but you can fairly easily install something else, or you can use a third party tool like rEFTIt.
The price of Mac hardware is irrelevant to what OS you can install on it. But there are quite a few developers, including prominent open source ones, who think it's worth it, even though they wipe OS X and install Linux.
If everyone could use correct grammar, then you would no longer be superior to them.
Proper command of the English language makes one a better person. True, it can get lonely at the top, but the benefits are real.
I'm accustomed to EFI BIOS. even if it is itanium.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Nobody ever thinks of themselves as evil, except in the movies.
eBay did the same thing to me years ago. Created an account a few years back before I fired off a question asking a seller if he can ship the item to my country, and I got banned Tried to communicate with eBay and they refused to tell me why. So, I never use eBay anymore.
I agree 100%
News reports FB had about 83 million bogus accounts. So maybe Google is being hyper-sensitive to not let the same thing happen.
The point isn't that my PC is identical to the Mac Mini. (Though it does come with a lot of nice features like 1TB harddrive, built-in Wifi, Bluray drive, 8GB RAM and room to expand to 32GB.....) The point is that I was looking for a cheap computer that had the new i7 processor. Apple provides such a computer, but it is not cheap.
It costs ~$1250 w/ tax and HDMI adapter included. Why in hell would I spend that much money? It's the same reason I don't buy Lexuses, Acuras, Chryslers, Levis, or O.S. engines. I go with the cheaper (but just as good) Toyotas, Hondas, Dodges, Arizonas, or SuperTigers. I refuse to pay for an overpriced label.
As for OS X, after reading all the articles about how 10.7 couldn't connect to many owners' Wifi modems/servers/gadgets, and that the problem was not fixed until 10.7.3 (i.e. three bugfixes later), I don't think you can make the claim that OS X is a "perfect" operating system that has zero hassles. In fact my experience with OS 7, 8, 10.2, 10.4, and most recently 10.5 is that the Mac OS is far from perfect. It just looks different. But it's really not any better than Windows 7. They are about equal in annoyances/frustrations. So OS X is not worth the extra $600.
My AC stalker: " I personally agree with your posts most of the time, but that won't keep me from modding you troll"
I dont think its a 'Corporate' fault, you see its more likely a fuck up, because of the dumb americans that google may hire. People that have no foreigner friends or who have no idea theres non-western names, ie the usual yankee dumb-fuck hill billy.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
"advocates, or expresses pornography, obscenity, vulgarity, profanity, hatred, bigotry, racism, or gratuitous violence."
That can describe 50% of the movies available on google play, and 100% of their rap music.
So does that mean google itself is violating its own policies.
Yep.
Douchbag Hypocrites.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
And a name like Page, or Jobs.
They are 100% fakes, no one has names like that.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Yes, they do run just as well on the PC that costs half or even less than half as much as the Mac. Good job pointing that out for anyone in the market to run those on a PC that costs half or even less than half as much as a Mac.
Rumor is, if you turn off all the lights in your bathroom and spin around three times, every time saying "Bing," then turn on the lights, Google will ban your Google+ account.
On my generic cheap ass PC, I can insert 16gig and 1/5th apple cost, and install ESXi, then run a few different linux OSs, windows7, windows Server 2008, and OSX 10.5 or 10.6 easy.
Do that on a mac.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Just a bit of a joke and I get dick-punched? You know, the Romney slogan, "Believe?" Whatever.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
I don't believe enough people use google+ to even qualify as a "rash". (let alone enough that have been banned)
The British seem pretty pleased with the outcome of gun control, as do a number of European countries.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
The problem is that you have a handful of names, while my side has statistics like 125,000 (in just one state!) voters who would have a difficult time meeting the voting id requirements.
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/30/157594371/will-penn-i-d-law-actually-keep-voters-away
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/state/air-force-veteran-testifies-voter-id-law-could-prevent-him-from-casting-ballot-646865/
http://www.democracy-nc.org/VoterIDStories.html
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Really? 32" monitor under $599? Or you are talking about a TV?
Anyway please post prices on all your equipment you are posting here - "laptop, 32" monitor, wireless keyboard/mouse, mixer board, 5.1 speaker system, and much more". I would really like to see how this adds up to less than $599
Apple is not expensive for what it is. There are other reasons to bash Apple, but price isn't it. Apple just does not produce low end plastic things. If you take a computer, phone, whatever with comparable specs, it will usually cost the same if not more from another manufacturer. And no - i don't consider CPU to be the most important spec in a laptop. Build quality and materials are just as important.
The real takeaway is that he didn't even notice for a month.
(And secondarily, that the only way to get customer service at Google is to be a tech journalist. I would say "the users are not the customers but the product", but even Google's customers famously don't get service.)
G+ is the greatest thing its fans have ever used. They love it to bits. They spend their whole day on it, doing good stuff with it. Just like they did with Buzz.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
I've been banned too. Switched ISPs and was blocked. Complained, and a day later was unblocked and told it was a years old block.
Learn to love Alaska
But make sure to stream it on Youtube or else the sacrifice will go in vein.
My google account was recently suspended with no notice and no reason. After about 3 weeks of going back and forth with the google demigods I was able to locate my original welcome to your google account email. The ID questions they were asking me were absurd, such as who sponsored my Gmail invitation? After 7 years? Are they kidding? Apparently proving it was my account using the original welcome email was all it took to be reinstated...why, I have no idea. I detest google, but until and unless someone other than Yahoo or Microsoft offers some similar services, I am stuck. I tried Thunderbird and Eudora, but it stays with your computer. I am an international traveler and I need my email to stay on the server, not related to what computer I am on.
I've got a friend with the second name of Hay. He can't even get a Google+ account. This is getting worse than Orwell thought it was going to be ...
Love without logic is insanity. And vice versa.
Posting anonymously to avoid undoing moderating... and because while fascinating, this is very offtopic.
I paid just under $800 (well a bit over with tax) for a Toshiba Satellite with 4GB memory, a four-core i7, 15.6" screen and hdmi output, among many others. Good full-size keyboard with number-pad. Came with W7Pro, and I installed Kubuntu on half the 750G drive.
Form factor while different, is probably about the same cubic-inch wise. And it's portable as well.
And all this after a visit to the Apple Store.
Google is NOT the only game in town. perhaps YOU all should just vote and leave for some other form of social network. YOU will not win against those that provide "free" stuff. NOTHING is free. it ALL comes with some kind of bullshit terms, which , most of you have NEVER read. i can hear you all now. WHAT?? READ??? US???? no way , is too time consuming. as i said. Google is just so much dreck. have an awesome day.
Democracy sucks when the people choose something other than what you like.
Learn to love Alaska
Unless there was fraud (which there probably was). They elected to be in their situation. What can we* do ? Should we even intervene ?
Isn't it up to them to get their freedom ?
* We being North Americans since I'm from Quebec
We are committing a mistake... letting internet seem like NATURAL LIFE, a JUNGLE, against which you can do nothing, a MYSTERIOUS NATURAL FORCE. Once burnt... such situation can produce permanent fright but they do not perceive it. Maybe the State should open an office to handle these cases?