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Workers Working An Extra 20 Hours a Week Thanks To BYOD

Qedward writes with the apparent downside of bring-your-own-device policies. From the article: "Many employees are working up to 20 additional hours per week unpaid as a result of bring your own device (BYOD) policies adopted by their firms, many of which have no security safeguards. According to the quarterly Mobile Workforce Report from enterprise Wi-Fi access firm iPass, a third of mobile enterprise workers never fully disconnect from technology during their during personal time The report also said that 92% of mobile workers 'enjoy their job flexibility' and are 'content' with working longer hours. In fact, said the report, 42% would like 'even greater flexibility for their working practices.' But 19% of mobile workers said their companies did not require security on smartphones or tablets to access work data."

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  1. Cry me a river... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Occasionally glancing at your cellphone while getting black out drunk with your idiot friends doesn't sound like work to me...

    1. Re:Cry me a river... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Occasionally glancing at your cellphone while getting black out drunk with your idiot friends doesn't sound like work to me...

      I'm a taste tester for Johnny Walker you insensitive clod! They want to know how bad my blackouts and hangovers are!

    2. Re:Cry me a river... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it is, I'd rather spend 15 minutes at 11pm typing an e-mail that will solve a problem right then, than having to spend 2 hours fixing something first thing the next morning.

      My boss is one of those guys who doesn't check his e-mail at home (or at least not very often) and not on his smartphone. But he goes home at 3 as part of his flex hours. If something happens that he's really really needed, well, you wait until tomorrow, which just adds stress, confusion and sometimes creates new problems as people try and do what they need without him, and make life hard for themselves.

      I'd rather be 'on call' every day for 4 hours after work, on top of my 8 hours a day at work if that means those 8 hours aren't spent cleaning up messes created in my absence, or if that means other teams (including other time zones) can actually get their shit done on time. That makes my working hours a lot less stressful, and gives me more time during working hours to do things like post on /.

      I did a job once that was multinational - next day for anything. So if we had a problem that needed authorization for spending or an engineering decision or whatever at 10 in the morning our time, we'd be stuck waiting on our arses until the next day for someone at one of the corporate offices to look at it. Which was just a huge waste of time and money, and made doing anything on site a nightmare because you could never be sure how long you'd be stuck there.

    3. Re:Cry me a river... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Occasionally glancing at your cellphone while getting black out drunk with your idiot friends doesn't sound like work to me...

      I'm a taste tester for Johnny Walker you insensitive clod! They want to know how bad my blackouts and hangovers are!

      I'm going to put in an application with Trojan right now.

    4. Re:Cry me a river... by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not all jobs involve problems where the repair commitment expands over time. Maybe car mechanic? Factory on a quota/piecework system? Struggling to think of a stereotypical /.er job like that. Personally I've never had to do anything afterhours, in decades, other than fundamentally because there's an angry waiting internal or external customer. Never to save time.

      So if we had a problem that needed authorization for spending or an engineering decision or whatever at 10 in the morning our time, we'd be stuck waiting

      That's an executive level cultural problem thats outside your paygrade to fix, so don't worry about it or change your lifestyle. I've intentionally never worked anywhere without a 24x7 escalation sheet and a culture of "better ask forgiveness than permission". I've turned down jobs at bureaucratic micromanagement style companies for those exact cultural reasons. If thats the way they want to run things, thats fine, but its not my problem, I'll patiently wait.

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    5. Re:Cry me a river... by idontgno · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're seeking a job as a condom taste-tester?

      Not my idea of a dream job, but if it's what floats your boat....

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    6. Re:Cry me a river... by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      "From: Doe, John [US/CORPHQ]
      Sent: Fri 2/13/2012 6:35PM
      Help I have a small grease fire! I am contemplating dousing it with water. Any advice? --JD"

      If I can tell that idiot to use baking soda instead of water, he will stand a much better chance at saving himself and others a lot of time, money, and effort as opposed to ignoring it until monday. The analogues in the business world are MANY, I come across them all the time. If you don't see them, maybe you aren't in that kind of job, or you just aren't the fix-it guy.

    7. Re:Cry me a river... by wjousts · · Score: 2

      Sure. Just bend over and grab your ankles. I hear they are testing the magnum extra large ones today.

    8. Re:Cry me a river... by element-o.p. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With all due respect, I disagree, and I *am* the fix-it guy -- well, one of two, anyway -- where I work. The solution, in my experience, is simple. First, hire competent people with good judgment. Second, trust them to do their job. If you abide by those two rules, then you should be able to seriously reduce the number of escalations when there's a problem after hours.

      Yes, I get called out after-hours or on the weekends from time to time. Yes, 10% -- maybe even as high as 20% at times -- don't really need my attention RIGHT FREAKING NOW but for the most part, the people who escalate to me are pretty good at triage and won't call me unless there's something they really need me to look at. And when I do get called to look at something, I generally don't get called out on the carpet for the steps I've taken to resolve the issue unless I do something *REALLY* boneheaded, and off-hand, I can't think of a single time in over six years with my present employer that that's happened. I've maybe had my boss say something like, "You probably should clear that with a manager before doing that again," once or twice, but that's about it.

      As far as being on-call for an additional four hours every day after my eight hour shift (from your original post)...well, if my employer needs fix-it guys after hours that badly, then they'd better hire some more employees, or they'd better up my pay significantly so that I can retire early. Otherwise, I'll answer the phone when/if I have time, but I make no guarantees. I'd consider six hours in the office and four hours on-call for an eight-hour-a-day salaried position, since I know I wouldn't get called every day, but I'll find a new job if you tell me you want to pay me for eight hours a day and have me on-call for free for an additional four. Life is too short to spend 12 hours a day working indefinitely. My parents worked their butts off for years. Then in 2006, my dad died from an aneurism. They had made all kinds of plans for what they'd do "one of these days" and never got to accomplish A. Single. One. Of. Them. because they didn't take time while they had the chance. My mom, a "32-hour per week" employee worked 5x12 (sometimes 6x12 or more) for the last year before my dad died; she just about completely missed out on his last year on earth. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I *can* be taught. The only time you have is RIGHT NOW. IME, there are very few people who wished they could have worked a few more hours in their lifetimes, but plenty who wished they'd crossed a few more items off their bucket lists or spent a little more time with their loved ones.

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    9. Re:Cry me a river... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      "From: Doe, John [US/CORPHQ] Sent: Fri 2/13/2012 6:35PM Help I have a small grease fire! I am contemplating dousing it with water. Any advice? --JD"

      If I can tell that idiot to use baking soda instead of water, he will stand a much better chance at saving himself and others a lot of time, money, and effort as opposed to ignoring it until monday.

      Perhaps, but conversely, if you ignore the request, you stand a much better chance of never having to deal with that particular moron ever again!

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    10. Re:Cry me a river... by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Even if it is, I'd rather spend 15 minutes at 11pm typing an e-mail that will solve a problem right then, than having to spend 2 hours fixing something first thing the next morning.

      You seem to have missed reading the headline, let alone TFA "Workers Working An Extra 20 Hours a Week". You won't get two hours off tomorrow for your 15 minutes of work at 11pm.

      The thing about a lot of knowledge-based jobs is that usually a company (even a big one) has one, maybe two or three people with deep domain knowledge into a particular subject. This means that you are responsible for every issue regarding subject X, regardless of if it's too much work or if the issue comes up on the weekend or whatever. If you choose to ignore things over the weekend, and to ignore things that require working more than 8 hours a day, sure you can probably get away with it and you might even survive the next round of layoffs (but no guarantees.)

      If solving a problem in 15 minutes that would have ballooned into a 2 hour fiasco once management gets their hands on it (say for example if the customer is shitstorm mad that they were waiting for an answer all weekend and now want a dog and pony show to keep them happy) then hell yes I would rather spend the 15 minutes on it now and maybe i can get something else productive done the next day with those 2 hours (or i can post to slashdot... ahem).

      You are right that this comes down to understanding. What it means is that a worker (who is getting paid to fill a role, not getting paid to perform piecemeal work) can now be productive 4 more hours a day without being in the office for those 4 hours. Given the choice between staying in the office for 12 hours, and taking a 33% pay cut so that the company can hire someone else to show up for those 4 hours to get that work done, i would rather keep the money and blast out a few emails after hours. This is the new economy, it's not a question of convincing management to keep 2 guys around doing the same job. It's a question of are you the one guy left or are you are the one guy let go (hint they will probably choose the one that knows how to be more productive.)

    11. Re:Cry me a river... by jeffmeden · · Score: 3

      Your point is taken, but for the record I wasn't the one who made the "original post" and you weren't the target of my example; I was pointing out that many jobs outside of car mechanics and factory work DO involve snowball issues that are best dealing with early on. An ounce of prevention, as it were. If you don't experience this in your job, then it sounds like a good spot and I suggest keeping it for a long time. Those of us who arent that lucky, get that availability has its price and its benefits.

    12. Re:Cry me a river... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I call people that do this....stupid

      I work my ass off when at work...but I bill every hour. My time is too important to me, to just 'give' it away to work.

      When I walk out the door and it slaps me on the ass, all thoughts about it and concerns about it end at that door.

      If they need me, sure I'm there..and I'll work all that is required, but never for free.

      If they know they have to pay you, they will think twice about asking you to do stupid shit that can wait.

      Even when I work W2, I make sure and negotiate into my employment agreement, that I get paid at least hourly rate for any extra hours worked over 40 per week.

      Know your worth....insist on getting paid for your time, I don't think many of us out here are that altruistic.....

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    13. Re:Cry me a river... by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 2

      It reminds me one of my experiences

      We were trying very hard to get our users not to bother the in situ support but to call the help desk, with users trying to call the in situ tech because they knew him personally.

      One day, nearly at the end of the day, I got a call from a stressed user "My PC has caught fire!". I thought "Ok, she needs a replacement" and told her to call the help desk and got out.

      When I was arriving home, it dawned on me that the user never did say that the fire was already out... and maybe she was asking advice on PC firefight. I thought to check what had happened next day, but later I thought that it was better not to raise the issue. To this day I still don't know.

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    14. Re:Cry me a river... by drooling-dog · · Score: 2

      You don't sound American. Here in the U.S., we brag about working long hours and not taking vacations. Whoever gets the rawest deal from the massah is the winner!

    15. Re:Cry me a river... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      I've never understood people that don't demand to be paid for every hour they work....?

      Depends how you're paid. And how you want to count 'work'.

      If you are responsible for something, and that guarantees you a decent monthly/yearly salary and isn't an hourly rate then you take responsibility for it, and you find the way that minimizes your stress level. Being part of any organization that's going 24/7 means you necessarily have to deal with occasional things at odd hours.

      As I said (and I realize you're not replying to me), I'd rather reduce the stress in the hours I'm officially at work and stay on top of problems than spend those hours scrambling to fix shit people broke in my absence. That's the difference between being responsible for something, and working for someone.

  2. Disclaimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "According to...enterprise Wi-Fi access firm iPass...their companies did not require security on smartphones or tablets to access work data."

    If "did not require security" didn't make any sense to you, you're not alone. It looks like they actually meant "did not use our magic tiger-repelling-rock based product". The whole "report" is a slashvertizement.

  3. "Hamlet's BlackBerry" and "In Praise of Slow" by Neil_Brown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Two excellent books which made me question why I had my email pushed to me, notifications popping up, looked at work email before I went to bed and so on. Switching email to "pull" (both work and personal, both mobile and computer), not having work email enabled on my phone unless I actually needed it, and minimising distractions ("silent" on my phone means no vibrations either — no distractions), I've found that I get a lot more done in a given period of time (may sound silly, but "Getting Things Done" did a lot for me here, too), and am generally more relaxed.

    I'm a huge fan of being connected, but this experience has made me realise I truly value having connectivity available when I want it, rather than letting things rule me.

    1. Re:"Hamlet's BlackBerry" and "In Praise of Slow" by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I noticed that with my boss today. We were chatting and his "push" email updated, so he glanced at it. Then we resumed chatting and his email updated so he glanced at it again. I found it annoying & made our chat last 1.5 times longer than it should have. I check my email just twice a day..... I figure if it's urgent they can pick up the phone and call. Or send an instant message.

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    2. Re:"Hamlet's BlackBerry" and "In Praise of Slow" by swillden · · Score: 2

      I'm a huge fan of being connected, but this experience has made me realise I truly value having connectivity available when I want it, rather than letting things rule me.

      +1

      I love my smartphone (Galaxy Nexus), tablet (Nexus 7) and highly-portable laptop (MacBook Air), and it's very convenient to have 24/7 access to my desktop at work via VPN, my work e-mail and IM on all devices, etc. I love the flexibility all of that provides. However, I also have my mail client (Gmail) on my phone & tablet configured not to provide any notifications at all for new e-mail in my work account, not even the icon in the notification bar and I keep my work IM account turned off except when I decide to use it to contact someone else. On my laptop, I use Chrome with two different profiles, one for work and one for personal, and I close the windows with the work profile when I'm not working.

      I occasionally do decide to hack a little on my current project at work in the evenings when the family has gone to bed, because I have some idea I want to try out, or I hop on to check the monitors that show the transactions being processed by my recently-deployed-to-production project, or to check the exception-logging tool, and I frequently scan my e-mail priority inbox and my calendar before going to bed. But that's because I choose to do those things, and if I don't happen to want to, I don't. And if anyone tried to tell me that I should do those things, I'd tell them to take a flying leap. But no one has asked, and I don't expect it to happen.

      I like the freedom and flexibility all of the tech gives me, but I'm not going to let it cause work to interfere with what's really important. It allows me to work extra hours when I want to, but imposes no requirements on me to do so -- and I will refuse to accept any such requirements without corresponding compensation.

      Oh, and as for the other part of the article, yes, my devices are all locked down. In order to have my company e-mail on my cell and tablet, I have to install a device policy enforcement tool, which makes sure my devices are appropriately password-protected, encrypted and can be remotely wiped by the company. If I don't comply with policy, or remove the tool, the mail server won't talk to my devices. My laptop, of course, is company-issued, uses full-disk (full-SSD?) encryption and has its own policy enforcement tool.

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  4. LOL by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But 19% of mobile workers said their companies did not require security on smartphones or tablets to access work data.

    Somehow I don't think 19% of mobile workers can tell the difference between http and https access to their corporate webmail, much less the intricacies of imap on port 143 vs imaps on port 993

    Asking them is about as wise as asking the average man on the street if his blood is RH positive or RH negative and then basing your blood bank inventory plan on their random choices. I'm guessing the average moron would assume RH is a disease so you'd skew negative, but the actual population is mostly positive (exact value depending on where you live)

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  5. "Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The report also said that 92% of mobile workers 'enjoy their job flexibility' and are 'content' with working longer hours

    Well done, what a great way to undermine your own wage and working conditions.

    1. Re:"Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      If they 'enjoy' and are 'content', then it's hard to say they've 'undermined' themselves. They have perhaps undermined 'you' and your conditions, but that's called competition.

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    2. Re:"Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by vlm · · Score: 2

      The report also said that 92% of mobile workers 'enjoy their job flexibility' and are 'content' with working longer hours

      Well done, what a great way to undermine your own wage and working conditions.

      It goes both ways. "Boss says I'm working 24x7 now... I'm redefining working as I occasionally glance at and ignore my email while eating, surfing the net, listening to music, playing games, drinking, talking about sports, endless smoke breaks, flirting ... oh wait were you talking about while at work or while at home? You mean there's supposed to be a difference?" It can be a real productivity killer. I know at a previous employer a punishing pager schedule (basically working part time 2nd and 3rd shift every month or so while also working full time 1st shift) meant that we gave ourselves comp time during the day by Fing off about two to four times as much as the time we spent outside of work in the recent past. So if I had to work from 2am to 5am because it was my on call week, well lets just say I basically did nothing at work but F around from 8am until about 2pm or so.

      In the long run I don't think you make money by smearing the working hours across 24 hours all spread spectrum like, but the integrated actual number of hours actually worked drops from 8+ to maybe less than 5 or so hours per workday.

      There are other interesting issues, like I have talked to customers while drunk, not because I drink at work, but because I drink at home and its not like my 24x7 on call job forbids me from drinking for the duration of my employment. So drunken / sleepy / distracted / having sex during "work" simply happens. Given that I'll bet you're glad I do programming / sysadmin stuff and not airline pilot / truck driver.

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    3. Re:"Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Depends on what they're doing AT work. Many people listen to music or talk radio or audiobooks... same stuff they'd be doing if they were at home. So no real difference in home vs. work.

      Also there was a time, for about 10,000 years, when work and home were integrated because it was the same place (your farm or your shop). That experience shaped our brains' wiring. It is only recently that the two became separated.

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    4. Re:"Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 2

      If they 'enjoy' and are 'content', then it's hard to say they've 'undermined' themselves. They have perhaps undermined 'you' and your conditions, but that's called competition.

      Hard to say they've undermined themselves? How about if they were paid, lets say, $10/hour. That contentment of which you speak is costing them $200 per week net, assuming 20 hours a week. Quite a sacrifice, wouldn't you say?

      Secondly, you're damn right it undermines me. It undermines you as well. Working extra hours a week unpaid isn't competition, its a race to the bottom. How precisely does one compete with someone who works for free?.

    5. Re:"Flexibility" like that can go to hell. by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So long as that flexibility also means that I get to take the next day (or at least, an equal number of hours the next day) off to enjoy the free time I spent updating the server the night before, I'm okay with that. However, I once had an employer tell me that "five minutes early is right on time" when I arrived at eight thirty instead of eight a.m. after staying at work until 2:00 a.m. the night before to fix a corrupted database.

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  6. I work +20 to makeup time by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

    The time I wasted on my Bring Your Own Device's applications instead of working. 12 hours a day are my new norm (and leave the weekends for myself).

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  7. Its not the device.. by SuperCharlie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its the blurring of lines of what is work time and what is private time due to the always connected world we have become addicted to. When your "master" can summon you 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, no matter where you are.. guess what.. they will.

    1. Re:Its not the device.. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a free country, choose your master wisely.

    2. Re:Its not the device.. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      It's a free country, choose your master wisely.

      Mind = blown

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  8. I bring my own device to work daily. by BigSes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its called my brain, and trust me, worrying about that bullshit when I leave the building should count as "additional hours".

  9. Maybe they do private work by gshegosh · · Score: 2

    On their private devices during employer paid time.

  10. Personal things at work. by bjwest · · Score: 2

    How much time does the average worker spend on personal things while at work? Checking personal email, personal phone calls, surfing the web and playing games during non-break time? They may not consume 20 hours of work time doing these things, but they are being done.

    Maybe you won't have to bring your work home with you if you do your work while at work.

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  11. Re:Wow.. lots of dumb.... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Also Work more at home? I dont even answer the bosses phone calls in the parking lot 3 minutes after I leave.

    You wait until you leave? ;-)

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  12. Re:Removing Barriers makes people productive. by Fned · · Score: 2

    Gee Wiz. When IT stops putting up obsticals, people can actually get work accomplished. Who'd of thunk it.

    Aw, whoseums confuses longer hourses with more productivities? You do! Yes you do! Wuzzle wuzzle wuzzle.

    You're so adorable, with your wee little toes and your backwards ideas about working productivity. I could just eat you up!

  13. Re:Your actions harm me by Samalie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it becomes trendy to work long hours, employers start to require it. Then, I have to work those same long hours, because there are no jobs where a proper work/life balance is respected.

    Thanks a lot, you damn busybodies!

    Actually this. 1000 times this.

    We had an individual in my office. For the sake of this story, we will refer to him as "Fuckwit".

    Now, Fuckwit came in to work 7 days a week, and roughly 12-14 hours per day. He was paid a standard 40-hour-workweek salary, and effectively then volunteered 60 hours more a week.

    This became the standard against which the rest of the staff are measured. Fuckwit is doing it, why the fuck can't you? Fuckwit needs you while you are on vacation....fuck your vacation, do what Fuckwit wants of you. Never mind Fuckwit is a single male with no girlfirned, no kids, no social life, whatever. Fuckwit has set the bar.

    Today, Fuckwit is on a 2 year sabbattical because (from what I've heard) he hit the wall and burnt out to shit. But guess what? He set the fucking bar, which we still to this day fail to measure up to. Management could care less that it destroyed Fuckwit, requiring a massive sabbattical...they got 3 1/2 years of 100 hour workweeks out of him before that happened.

    Now, multiply Fuckwit across America. Millions of Fuckwits who are "lucky to have a job at all" working double the hours they are contracted (and often paid) to do. So suddenly, we have millions of Fuckwits doing the effective job of 2 people....where the company SHOULD be hiring 2 people, but why the fuck would they when there is Fuckwit who will do it anyway.

    And then we wonder why unemployment is shot to shit right now. Of course there are hardly any fucking jobs being created, because they keep making US do the work for a job that SHOULD be created.

    In other words, fuck every last one of you Fuckwits out there. YOU are fucking us all. Personally, I hope the stress eats you up inside till you have a mental breakdown or a fucking heart attack. THen these companies might actually have to, you know, hire the appropriate number of staff instead of fucking us all.

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  14. Re:Your actions harm me by netwarerip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Completely agree with this. Problem is, management typically looks at Fuckwit no differently then they look at a printer. Oh, burnt out the fuser? No problem, just go get a new one. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary.

    BYOD should be amended to mean 'Bend Y'ass Over, Dude'.

  15. Re:Your actions harm me by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    Have you ever been unemployed before? Have you lost your wife over it? Have you had to move back in with your parents in your 30s because 12/hr is all employers now think you are worth in this new economy disregarding your previous salary? Have you ever been forced to work 70 hours a week with 2 jobs so you can pay off your student loans and not starve yourself or family with 2 crappy jobs?

    That realty is how what 40 to 50% of Americans live. Underemployment and unemployment is about 20% if you use the U3 statistics before CLinton took office!

    Sorry to burst your bubble but in this economy anyone who lived like that such as myself is thrilled to be working again and will be happy to do it if you do not feel you are good enough. I made a decent living before the economy crashed and lost my whole damn life and years trying to get it back. There are millions like me and when the economy improves then yes I will tell your boss to shove it. But you can not expect people who feel 50k a year for merely 60 hours a week of work is not paradise when you work 80 hours a week for 23k a year. H1B1 visa holders will gladly work these hours too.

    I am not saying I agree with this but it is life and what I agreed to work for when I signed up for my consulting gig. I get paid by the hour so working a million hours for 2 years until I can prove myself will be the norm. It is time to re-adjust and accept that in this economy this will be the norm. When the economy and only if it improves will you be in a position to tell me and your boss to fuck ourselves.

  16. Re:Your actions harm me by Samalie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I get paid by the hour

    Then sorry, but you're not even remotely what I described.

    Whether 12/hour or 50/hour, you are being paid for every hour you work. I...and "Fuckwit" from my story...are not.

    Life sucks. This economy licks ass. No, I haven't gone through the hell youve described, and (knock on wood) I hope I don't ever have to. I sincerely wish that you hadn't either.

    But back to the original point....if you are working 80 hours on a salary-only position (or have an employer that refuses to pay OT even if legally required to), then you are a fuckwit, and you are directly contributing to this economy continuing to suck. I mean fuck, honestly, do you understand why the economy continues to suck 3 years after the economy tanking? I'll give you a hint....its the ~8% (documented) unemployment, with a true rate likely somewhere between 15-20%.

    If you have 15-20% of your able and willing workforce not making anything...and then not spending anything...which means that corporate revenues are down...which means more bastard CEO's preserving their personal/shareholder bottom line over that of the whole...which means more layoffs to satisfy thier personal incomes...which means a higher unemployment...which means more people not making anything...and the circle goes on and on and on.

    The bastards and fuckwits and losers out there that are so thankful to be working that they're doing ANY unpaid overtime is directly contributing to this cycle. Government regulations (well, to be more percise, the lack of regulations & this giant conserviative push to destroy the unions) is only making it easier for corporations to get away with this shit. We're not only fucking ourselves right now, but we're fucking our kids...our grandkids...to this level of corporate slavery.

    This ISN'T the norm. This shouldn't be the norm. But as long as there are these losers willing to effectively do 2 people's work, with 2 people's hours, for 1 person's salary, then yes, you're right, we're all fucked and this WILL be the established norm...not just for when the economy sucks, but for all fucking time. Freedom, power...that which is freely given away will never be returned.

    Don't give yourself away people. And seriously...if you do....don't bitch at me when you drop of a massive heart attack & lose everything because you have to spend a month in the hospital & your boss replaces you with another moron willing to drive himself to an early grave. You dug your grave....fucking lie in it slave. I have no sympathy.

    Honestly, one of the only ways I can see to fix this is unionization...and I fucking hate unions. But unless we are all willing to stand together & demand this gets fixed (and if they don't fix it, fuck em. Good luck meeting shareholder expectations if you have no workforce). But that would mean that people would actually have to think outside themselves as one individual....all the "me me me look at me my situation is different I'm special I have to do this blah blah fucking blah" has to go away....and we all know THAT will never fucking happen.

    Honestly...I feel for my kids. My work life sucks, but isn't downright festering shit yet. Their generation? We're laying the foundation for them to be nothing but slaves to corporate interests. Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by the greed.

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