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Judge Orders Release of Ex-Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts
Penurious Penguin writes "A few days ago, news of an ex-marine detained for his Facebook posts reached far and wide throughout the interweb. It was a hotly debated affair and considered from many perspectives. Today, a judge has ordered the release of Brandon Raub, citing a lack of facts regarding the detention. It's a strange case, undoubtedly, but perhaps even stranger when taking into account a few things. For example, Raub reportedly made claims that one of the psychiatrists involved in the case threatened him with forced medication. For history polymaths, government proposals of forced medication may not be a surprise; you may remember the case of Susan Lindauer. The situation may also remind of 2009, when Fusion Centers targeted Ron Paul supporters, certain universities, and conspiracy theorists as threats to national security, even logging anti death-penalty and anti-war activists into federal terrorism databases. Personally, I find myself wondering what sorts of epic dangers someone like Noam Chomsky might seem to pose after a stressful day and a few beers, if overheard by certain departments."
Whatever the hell that means
I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).
Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
... bizarre as his fantasy world.
i am so very tired....
A polymath in a specific subject?
polymaths are good at more than one thing. I don't think you can be a history polymath.
More troops are coming home. A lot of them spent a lot of time overseas, and despite the intense media spin that says otherwise, we did some really messed up shit over there.
We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.
Now that they're home we don't need them anymore, and we'll tell them to suck it up and deal with it. We're sorry you had to watch your buddies get blown up by a roadside bomb. We're sorry you had to watch some child bleed out and die in your arms. We just don't want to pay for the costs of treating your trauma.
Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication? Clearly, these people are a danger to society.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
not ex-Marine
Subby summary is word salad.
Semper Fidelis would be Latin for Always Faithful.
As this is the Marine Corps Motto if you say this in say a tavern you will most likely hear Ho-Ah! from a number of folks (marines tend to run in groups).
Also if you forget a marines birthday then you can always use November 10 as a "fallback" since that is the Marine Birthday (bonus note do not "crash' those parties since multiple folks WILL BE ARMED).
Any person using FTFY or editing my postings agrees to a US$50.00 charge
General Sara Suten Seti will give you crazy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTHureu12Q
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
The June 2010 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry published a study of 18,300 Army soldiers screened at 3 and 12 month intervals following deployment in Iraq. The study found that using “the least stringent definition” for PTSD, rates now range between 20 and 30 percent, and depression rates are at 11.5 and 16 percent.[2] Together this accounts for almost a third of our troops now suffering serious functional mental impairment. source
sysadmins and parents of newborns get the same amount of sleep.
He should have an offer of the very best help possible, paid for by the same people who paid for him being a marine.
I'm not so sure that he should be forced into treatment until and unless he causes harm, not just talk. That opens up for Kafkanesque abuse.
"Personally, I find myself wondering..."
What the heck, Slashdot? I can understand people submitting sensational posts, but you can EDIT them if you want to.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
"...a civil war, the Revolution is coming."
This is exactly what Texas Republican Tom Head said recently, though with the added twist of UN troops invading Lobbock. Will he be picked up as well?
Most marines are a six pack of bud lite away from bum loving their fellow devil dogs.
Fact
flags, computers and cell phones, and "anti-government or anarchist literature."
That is, if you're with the occupy movement.
Political Convictions?
Federal Prosecutors in Seattle Are Dragging Activists into Grand Juries, Citing Their Social Circles and Anarchist Reading Materials
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/political-convictions/Content?oid=14397498
This certainly sounds like the Soviet's 1984 approach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
I take issue with your use of "we" to describe the actions and decisions of those in power. By the simple laws of human nature, I refuse to take responsibility for the actions of anybody but myself. At the same time, I take absolute responsibility for my own actions -- as government should as well. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. I was coerced into funding these actions, rather than persuaded. I did NOT voluntarily choose for myself to fund government, and therefore, I bear absolutely no responsiblity for what government does with the money they take from me.
Before you say "social contract", I will casually point out that coercion and voluntary association are polar opposites. A man cannot volunteer to be subject to coercion (as the age-old theory goes), any more than he can coerce another man into volunteering. The two modes of human interaction are mutually exclusive -- that is, in fact, what gives them meaning.
Forced medication is, for better or (my belief) for worse, routinely used on just about everyone, not just on this person. Once you're committed - an act for which the due process is only several weeks after-the-fact - you have no right to refuse medication. Total myth that you ever did.
Does anyone care that his Facebook profile was supposedly set to "private"?
Why is this not news while we are distracted by evaluations of his sanity?
Welcome to Obama's America. Enjoy your stay.
.... more than one might think. A relative in the Army was threatened off the books with hell to pay if he didn't take Larium. He protested personally to his boss because of the psychological issues Larium can cause (I'm sorry I don't know military ranks) but found no sympathetic ears. So he decided to give in and make no formal complaint. After taking Larium regularly for a year or two, he was in the Middle East working on a vehicle and had a massive seizure. He also then discovered that the Larium had reacted with a particular genetic condition to make him permanently sterile. So now he can't have kids, although he wants them badly, and has had migraines and balance problems since. He is a very honorable person, and since he was a career guy, he never sued, even though his genetic condition was on file, and there was obvious medical malpractice. He was close to retirement when it happened, and he just wanted to get out as smoothly as possible.
Japanese scientist: Technically, sir, tomatoes are fags. Military scientist: He means fruits.
I saw nothing about forced meditation in that case. The closest I saw was that the government wanted her to take anti-psychotic medication. Given that she thinks that she has psychic powers, that doesn't sound all that unreasonable.
Sick or not, intellectually he's spot on. Reread his concerns about US and war and taxes.
Then pretend you're a large scale fraudster with control over (literally) trillions of dollars, and key control points peppered throughout US government. Then consider how YOU would design and run a large scale fraud (Commons Fraud). Then consider how YOU would use your government control points to fleece unwitting tax payers out of billions and trillions of dollars per year.
Perhaps you see Brandon Raub's concerns. If not, you're an example of when, why, and how democracy fails. In theory, every patriotic citizen should be deathly concerned that democracy has been turned on its head to use as a vehicle for overwhelming fraud.
Brandon Raub is concerned, but you're not. Really? Who's nuts?
Also kudos to Brandon Raub for his psychological fortitude. Soldiers, military families, and military friends are all very susceptible to the state of denial about war corruption because they are likely to have lost close ones to such crime. That's a heavy and for some insurmountable emotional and psychological burden to overcome with intellect. Since these frauds typically involve going to war unnecessarily, Brandon Raub has already transcended the typical emotional, patriotic, psychological trap of war veteran victims (and their families and friends).
Ditto the war veteran actors and consultants on movies like "The Green Zone" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Zone_(film)].
Casualties to fraudster wars are horribly tragic victims of terribly predatory faceless fraud run abusing overwhelming government power. So, the fact that a military veteran (Brandon) has transcended this psychological trap speaks to his intellectual stamina. Is he crazy? His friends don't think so. Even the ones who are military veterans, but you do?
About 911, Raub points out that a building fell down all on its own. Until you (or someone) could explain that glaring incongruity definitively, don't say he's nuts for calling 911 an inside job. 911 adds up far more likely as an inside job courtesy a US intelligence agent (Osama bin Laden as anti-Russian agent repurposed as scape goat). Recall 911 launched several meaningless and misguided wars with HUGE impact on USA debt --- a basic money laundering / extortion / embezzlement scheme from American taxpayer wallets to stracketeer bank accounts. That's all Brandon Raub is pointing out... and he's not alone.
So, next time you hear that the 911 wars were a farce, and that 911 was more than likely an inside job, think twice.
When you recall that the Bush family is at the heart of several election rigging schemes, think twice.
When you consider that BushLeague family and associates installed Supreme Court Justices who are central to the most ludicrous SCOTUS opinions in the nation's history (including GWBush reelection as President), think twice.
When you consider GWBush started a war (in retrospect) on total pretense (e.g., see movie "The Green Zone" with Matt Damon for docufiction of what must have happened regarding WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction farce) on the ground in Iraq), think twice.
And in case you didn't know that the Bush family has been linked to the similar behavior and motive for WWII (financing Nazi Germany war machine), i.e., across multiple generations, think twice.
Once you consider all that, it makes perfect sense that the Bush family would have an out of country (somewhere in South America) family compound for when all the proverbial shit hits the fan. Because when you put 2+2 together, some superficially crazy shit starts to make perfect sense. Which is probably why Brandon Raub says we're headed for a revolution.
You see, when democracy (or any government) breaks down --- a growing number of citizens realize their government is a vehicle for fraud and there's NOTHING we can do about it --- it's just a matter of time until a critical mass of knowledge spreads and ignites. History repeats itself, and our "democracy
The USA is so enormous, and so numerous are its schools, colleges and religious seminaries, many devoted to special religious beliefs ranging from the unorthodox to the dotty, that we can hardly wonder at its yielding a more bounteous harvest of gobbledegook than the rest of the world put together. -- Sir Peter Medawar
I'm not dumb enough to start defending Bush's intelligence, but let me tell you something: there are lots of different ways to be dumb. Some people think I am some kind of raging genius (as if), not realizing how they routinely take certain skills & knowledge for granted which totally flummox me. But yeah: vice versa, too: I can do things they literally aren't able to imagine.
That is, I'm both dumb and smart. Or to put another way...
I am dumb enough to start defending components of Bush's intelligence. As weird as it is, that guy knew how to do whatever it is that it takes, to get elected president. And even weirder, he got re-elected .. after wasting shitloads of tax money on a totally useless war (which everyone knew in advance would be useless) .. and he was re-elected by supposedly conservative party! That's not "intelligence" as most of us here on /. define it, and yet if I ask you how to do it, I think you'd probably come up with a total blank.
I have talked to seemingly-rational people, who it turns out practice religion.
I have talked to people who are smart enough to perform eye surgery, and dumb enough to smoke cigarettes. And others who are smart enough to not smoke, but dumb enough to buy Apple phones.
There is no one-dimensional continuum of stupidity; it's multi-dimensional and complex. There is almost nothing that I would just blanket assume GWB is too dumb for.
OTOH, GWB really is too dumb for what is being discussed. So bad example but my point is .. oh, never mind.
Lawyer from The Rutherford Institute talks about the case on Alex Jones Show.
Psychiatrist Threatens & Terrorizes Marine Over 9/11 Facebook Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XuQWsXsZo&feature=g-all-u
Talks about that Civil liberties in the US is getting attacked, and that Veterans are getting targeted by government harassment.
"The Rutherford Institute is a non-profit organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia dedicated to the defense of civil liberties and human rights. The organization was founded by its current president, John W. Whitehead, in 1982.[1] The Rutherford Institute offers free legal services to those who have had their rights threatened or violated. The Rutherford Institute has a network of affiliate attorneys across the United States and funds its efforts through donations. In addition to its offer of legal services, the organization offers free educational materials for those interested in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Institute
I'd kind of enjoy seeing Noam Chomsky forcibly medicated.
once a Marine always a Marine....
that's why i went Army..... it's nice to retire...
Oh what a deal .... your Constitutional Rights exchanged for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and perhaps with a bonus of dismemberment and the win of death.
Oh what a deal... you get to go kill others who did nothing wrong and you won't even have to know their names.
Oh what a deal.. And if you make it back you might even be able to stand at a street corner begging for food, if you can stand.
Oh what a deal... Now they have added the benefit of removing your ability to speak... so use a sign until they remove your right to write.
Oh what a deal... There is nothing like being a dumb pawn of those playing the war game with the courage of being out of range.
OH what a DEAL...
...***On 9/11: any American who still doesn’t grasp the obvious connection between the Pentagon’s comptroller announcing the results of a DoD audit on 9/10/01, stating that $2.3 trillion was unaccounted for, and the very next morning Flight 77 crashing dead center into the Pentagon’s west wall, killing most of that auditing team and severely injuring the rest (DIA’s Financial Management staff), is a complete and total idiot! (So I'm not sure this is a valid point in favor of that unconsistutional arrest and psychiatric internment by the FBI and Secret Service, on this fellow or all the many others over the previous five decades.)
He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children.
Does he? Really?
I've seen at least one report claiming the postings were taken out of context from where he was playing a(n Illuminati-themed) game on Facebook. (I'd love to see more info on this.) Is everybody who plays such a game, or had a hand in writing one, or who writes or quotes song lyrics or satirical books, now to be considered dangerously nuts?
Of course if you put him in a loony bin and medicate him enough he'll believe it eventually. Probably very soon: It's hard NOT to believe they're after you when they ARE after you. B-b
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Hand on a second here: You have over 20,000 Architects and Engineers that have been requesting the US re-open the 9/11 files because what they provided as answers are not possible in physics. Those people are just crazy and insane? The Government ignores them, media ignores them, and most people don't know that they are even asking. This is not to pass blame, but to find out what really happened since what the Government stated is impossible based on facts and they want to architect buildings to avoid similar failures. Other questions regarding how Building 7 crumbled makes no sense? The fact that no plane debris was found at the Pentagon crash makes no sense? Look, if the Government has a super weapon that melted the plane a split second before impact, most people would accept that answer instead of the silence given currently.
We have a Government that has lied rather chronically for a very long time about a multitude of issues. Fast and Furious is the easiest target, but also we have the FBI that was found to be creating false terrorist plots and reporting them to be real. That's really just the tip of the iceberg (I'll preempt your citation requests and ask you to use Google, at least for now nothing is hidden.)
We have the DHS purchasing over a billion rounds of ammo 2 weeks ago, and none of it's target ammo. When people started asking why, they pulled the orders and redacted the quantities (which is illegal).
We have a Government that is openly funding a rebellion in Syria, and has been extremely tight lipped about the Governments roles in the various colored revolutions in the middle east, even amid numerous reports that the CIA and other Government agencies were funding and training militants responsible for starting the revolutions.
So a guy looking at all the various information starts to come to conclusions on motives and that makes him a loony person?
People not asking questions at this point in time in my opinion are the loony ones. People ignoring illegal acts by the Government are loony in my opinion, and people rallying for continuation of these illegal activities are the loony ones. Those not asking why the Government is asking for people to be classified as psychopaths by tweets and Facebook posts are loony. A Government asking that DNA be used to determine preemptive criminal activities should scare the piss out of you!
If there are no answers to critical questions, it's very normal to draw parallels and conclusions from all of the various activities. And if you don't know about the various activities you are ignorant and should quickly educate yourself. If what he assigns as a motive is incorrect, does that make all of these things not exist? Sorry, that is not a logical conclusion.
Oh, and have you seen the creepy Denver International Airport in Colorado? People are upset, have asked for who requested the bizarre and sickening art work, asked who the "New World Airport Commission" is that is credited with the design, etc.. etc.. and the government refuses to answer questions. The satanic nature of the airport is blatantly obvious. Go look at it!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That smacks of Illuminati conspiracy theories. The Internet is a complete cesspool of half baked conspiracy theories that the mentally stressed or ill should not be exposed to. Information overload.
The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.
That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.
Beliefs don't translate into actions. Believing in God could be considered a conspiracy theory so why don't we treat all believers in God as mentally ill?
Belief in God based around conspiracy theories. Yet somehow it's okay to be Christian and a marine and not be classified as having some mental disease. Why? If you believe in anything you can't see with your 5 senses then you're no different in your schizophrenia than the guy who believes Bush is an alien or Obama is the antichrist.
Can anyone tell me why some conspiracy theories are sanctioned and others are banned?
Can you prove God exists without a conspiracy theory?
If you believe in God, an atheist logically could conclude you have schizophrenia.
When it should be the reverse.If you're an atheist then you shouldn't believe in any conspiracy theory government sanctioned or not.
So why haven't we detained every religious marine in America? Why that marine? A lot of marines believe in God, Allah, etc. Who decides if a belief is crazy or not? The government? The government of Christians?
They want to tell people the acceptable modes of thinking and acceptable belief systems and label the free thinkers with schizophrenia for not thinking about things in the standard way.
How is this different than the church labeling people for not believing in the proper interpretation of the scripture?
Magic underwear and other bat shit crazy people might just be the cause of this.
You all get the idea he is an ex-Marine?
Former Marine is the proper designation for those who have honorably served, regardless of what you may think of his current situation. And you all wonder why alot of Combat arms types distrust the geeks.
Yeah I know this guy.. His family isn't ANYTHING like this at all, and he wasn't raised to believe any of it. He IS mentally ill and does need help.
Sorry - you are a petty little computer dweeb that likes the sound of the name "engineer", has decided to take on the title without earning it, and then uses it to pretend you know things way beyond your field despite demonstrating obvious mistakes a first year student would be embarrassed about (shrink by 33%? It hit a fucking wall at cruising speed under power!).
You've decided to start a childish penis measurement contest without understanding that you are a pygmy sitting in cold water in the middle of a vast herd of horny bull elephants.
First understand that plane crashes involve speeds vastly faster than car crashes, and that planes are more fragile, and then take another look at your conspiracy theory. You will find it is a pile of shit inspired by magical thinking and the childish notion that the only thing that can give the US government trouble is the US government.
Hang on - where is a single fact in any of the rubbish you've smeared all over this website? You only have assertions, some of which are utter bullshit pulled from tour lack of understanding (controlled explosion, titanium airframe etc). You've written something about a photo of a turbine but just expect me to take your word for it. You've called up the spirit of physics like some magical incantation but not what law of physics is supposed to demonstrate that your point of view is correct. Did you learn this tactic from talk radio or something - the ignorant claiming the facts are behind them but lying through their teeth about it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you've provided nothing but petty bullying designed to cow the ignorant to back up your claim of a faked plane crash at the pentagon. WTF are these turbine photos you claim are proof anyway? Do you even understand what the part is, what is does (in general terms, I don't expect specifics) and what size it should be? Do you understand that they are very strong and brittle and typically shatter almost like glass on impact? Obviously not, since you've never taken that first year general materials science subject that all engineering students in all fields everywhere have to take so they can get some background to design stuff in whatever field they end up in.