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First Impressions of Windows 8 Powered Nokia Lumia 920 and 820
Nerval's Lobster writes "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop first took to the stage at Center548 on New York City's West Side, where Microsoft had first unveiled Windows Phone 7 in late 2010, to claim that Nokia was becoming a 'more nimble competitor' thanks to several strategic decisions under his tenure, including the choice of Windows Phone as the company's primary smartphone platform. ... In terms of [the 920's hardware]: the battery is 2000 mAh; the processor is a dual-core Snapdragon S4, which was apparently selected for its energy efficiency; and the aforementioned wireless charging, based on the 'Qi' wireless charging standard. ... Despite the enthusiasm displayed onstage for Windows Phone 8, the new smartphone platform poses something of a conundrum for Nokia. The company invested heavily in Windows Phone 7, all but abandoning its homegrown operating systems — including Symbian, once a dominant player in the mobile arena — in favor of Microsoft’s platform. But those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps."
You just put it in the microwave and turn it on high for about 3-4 minutes.
The hardware itself does seem almost too good to be true... It seems like an aazing device, Though, I'd be much more inclined to purchase if there were an Android offering... Simply because of the lack of pre-existing apps/community support for windows 8, Especially on mobile devices. This will likely improve with time, but, at least for now, i think the software is killing an amazing device
/endrant
"...here's your complimentary knife in the back."
After the announcement, Nokia stock price has gone down 15 % from yesterday's closing value at OMX Helsinki. So, not the kind of announcement the market was expecting, it seems.
U+F8FF
And I thought you'd be getting a free one, what with working for Nokia ; ).
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
Sounds like a nice piece of hardware, but does it run Linux (read Android or MeeGo)?
From TFA:
Nokia’s PureMotion HD+ is the company’s name for its tweaks to the display, including blur-free scrolling.
Why isn't this not only standard, but the only acceptable state these days? When will people (Android, I'm looking at you here) figure out that getting the basics so completely solid that nobody thinks about them is the kind of work that people should expect from their OS/Environment provider? Watching a video talking about how many cores the latest whatever has with jittery scrolling is just embarrasing.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
There won't be any developers. Developers want to code for platforms people are using--iPhone and Android. People want to use platforms developers are coding for--iPhone and Android. It's a self-feeding loop and Nokia is way, way too late to the party. Any phone that doesn't run iPhone or Android apps is dead, dead, dead.
As usual on a Microsoft related story, the astroturfer writes a long, praising comment at the exact same minute as the story is published. Haven't you guys learned yet? Why do you keep burning IDs making it so easy to detect the astroturfing accounts?
Come on, give us a harder challenge next time...
What's that large $500 hole in my checking account in the distance, it looks like... iPhone 5.
FTFY
sudo make me a sandwich
Considering it's a shill, yes. Their first post to Slashdot is alengthy and gushing post about Windows Phone with a time stamp identical to the story's post time.
The hardware does look impressive. Will everything come iwth NFC now?
There doesn't need to be when it will run all apps from WP7.
Stop saying that.
Say that windows phone 8 applications that are targeted for only windows phone 8, and use only windows phone 8 features will not run on windows phone 7.5.
This is not an issue.
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
Or as most US consumers will do, they'll get it for $199 on contract.
Fact is, developing for Windows 8 is also developing for (for the most part) Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, and probably in the future Xbox 720 (or whatever they call it). Whether you like Metro or not, Windows 8 will be shipping on all Desktops and Laptops in the Fall, and will be a viable platform with an immediate install base. As bad as Vista was, it still managed to find its way on more computers than Mac OSX. Developers *will* code for Windows 8, they *will* code for Windows RT, and if the marginal benefit is in their favor they *will* code for Windows Phone 8. Maybe that marginal benefit will not be there at first, but the scales will tip.
You have to have a Windows machine.
Listen, I like the Nokia phones, and that's what I was going to buy. I brought my Ubuntu laptop into the store to check it out, see if it was compatible, but it isn't. You absolutely must have a Windows install, and a virtual machine won't cut it. (This was the quite-new 610, but looking around online shows that the 700 and 900 have the same issue.)
It uses the Zune file system, and nobody but MS has been able to figure out how to mount it. You can't transfer files with Bluetooth. You can't put music on it. You can't sync to anything. It's a completely stand-alone device unless you're running Windows.
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Oh man, I think SCO won that one.
from what i've read they will get most of the upgrades and will go to version 7.8
but even then it shouldn't be a big deal to code apps for 8 and 7. happens all the time in the app store where most apps now require iOS 4.x and will have some special iOS 5 features if you have the latest version
Quoth the man himself:
I'll bet you right now that the next app developer to hit it really big will be a developer on Windows."
I'd quite like to take him up on that bet.
Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.
wp7 has angry birds, I think it was alex or Ab in space that wasn't?
anyhow.. they're probably port it over to wp8 since you can finally use some real languages and there's cpu to use.
that still won't make answering a call and resuming your play after that a pleasant excercise.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Writing for Windows 8 does not necessarily imply using Windows RT. You can write Win32 apps to run on the desktop.
For once I agree with Elop on something. I can fully believe that Nokia are "nimble" these days. Same way a gnat is more nimble than an 800-pound gorilla.
Personally I'm more interested to see what Jolla come up with.
Only if they are eligible for a new contract at the time. Most people will be somewhere in the middle of a contract and will likely have to pay something between the $199 and the $500 for an early hardware upgrade.
"Windows 8" != "Windows Phone 8." There is a huge difference.
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To think that Nokia's own Symbian had more than 50% smartphone market share only three years ago and big plans for their Linux based highend OS, which was universally praised, and instead now going for an OS that not only locks the user down, but locks themselves in a position where they give away control of OS development, outsource all manufacturing (after shutting down most locations in Europe and firing loyal employees by the boatload) and need to contend with the likes of Samsung who do their own CPU, RAM, display etc. fabrication is just unfortunate. It's hard to not be cynical about this.
Microsoft obviously is pushing for positive publicity offering free samples to bloggers etc. but all the money in the world won't make the OS more attractive to the end-user, even with their new funky looking N9-like design. Functionality wise the it's lacking compared to Android and the restrictive Metro UI whether on your computer or on your phone is butt-ugly at worst and uninspiring at best.
On the other hand this might actually what MS alternatives have needed to become worth considering by more end users.
NOT quad-core
well, S4 is named to increase maximum confusion.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Isn't that what Nokia owners have been saying for the last year already? You know. "Hmm... I think I'll go see what Symbian device or Maemo/MeeGo iteration Nokia has on offer. Oh. This is Lumia, and it's time to switch."
Yes, Nokia has great hardware. They've done that well. Now they're pulling the plug entirely on WP7 upgrades. So any developers or customers who took a chance on WP7 are being told "sorry, please buy(-in) again". Maybe some customers will; but I doubt any companies will fall for the MicroLighting Stranger.
Whether you like Metro or not, Windows 8 will be shipping on all Desktops and Laptops in the Fall, and will be a viable platform with an immediate install base. As bad as Vista was, it still managed to find its way on more computers than Mac OSX. Developers *will* code for Windows 8, they *will* code for Windows RT, and if the marginal benefit is in their favor they *will* code for Windows Phone 8.
I rather suspect they'll continue coding for Windows 7 or even XP so to have the widest install base. Enterprise clients in particular hate having to upgrade, so jumping in and making something that only works on Metro is a non-starter.
It's dual core, not quad.
I wonder why...
I was expecting to see a long first post shilling for Microsoft and Nokia, but it seems that the whole thread is overrun with them. "amazing, wonderful, inclined to purchase..." Please stay away from this thread, it is reserved for professional advertisers only.
Sure, the raving fanbois will pay early, but most people just wait for their uograde period to come.
Unfortunately, this is simply false. There is a Windows Phone Mac Connector program that allows syncing to the Mac. As a Mac user, I can attest it works great. This of course leaves Linux users in the cold, but it is not a Windows-only solution.
More to the point, there is less and less requirement to sync to a PC at all. Photos auto-sync via Skydrive. Email is all cloud-based. Podcasts are directly synched without requiring a PC to download them. Music comes directly from your Xbox Music Pass. Apps are directly downloaded. Files can be shared via dropbox or Skydrive.
There are obviously still cases where you would like to sync directly with a computer, but they are becoming really infrequent.
Windows Phone 8 has SD card support for transferring any data you please to any platform you please. I'm not sure yet if this means plugging it in via USB will mount the SD card, but that's what Joe Belifore seems to indicate in his interviews. We shall see. Also updates are OTA in WP8. You can also alternatively sync files via SkyDrive which is available cross platform.
Windows Phone 7 isn't Windows only also; a syncing program has been available for OSX for a while.
If you're an Android power user, and you want to see reasonable OS updates, then you know to buy a Nexus device, that's the point of them. Google can't force the various carriers and handset makers push out updates, and it's not in their interests to do so since they want you to buy a new handset every year, so you should understand what's going to happen there. OTOH my Nexus S had ICS and Jelly Bean almost from day one, no hacks, and running perfectly, and that's a pretty old phone now.
Oh no... it's the future.
There is also an S3 but that doesn't mean tri-core. All the S1s and S2s were single core. The number has never had anything to do with CPU core count.
Did they ever fix WP7 to not require registry hacks to mount as a drive in Windows? As of 2009 the bleeding edge of mtpfs's support for ZuneFS was getting the directory listing to work. I think after that people quit caring about Zunes.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Where is the Start button?
Great. So what?
Windows phone is really good to try out. I haven't tried windows phone 8, but WP7 was really quite interesting to see. I'm not sure it's good or bad but it's certainly different than the iPhone/Android setup.
Yes, but only the Nexus devices get reasonable update cadence, so much like the iPhone, if you don't like that one form factor, you're boned. I admit that some of my frustration is based on the fact that HTC and Samsung currently have devices with much better specs than the current top of the line Nexus device, and lips have been sealed on what's next from the Nexus line. I'm hoping these announcements make something appear, and hopefully, they aren't like the middling device that's been rumored as the upcoming refresh of the Galaxy Nexus.
- oZ
// i am here.
Fact is, developing for a smart phone is a completely different thing from developing for a desktop or game console; the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different. Windows 8 apps may be theoretically runnable on Windows Phone 8 (And I'm not convinced people will be writing them anyways--as has been pointed out elsewhere, people will be writing Windows XP apps for a while yet for maximum audience), but they won't be *usable* on Windows Phone 8. I'm not surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand this; the entire attempt to shoehorn Metro into Windows 8 shows that they don't understand that you can't run a cellphone interface on a desktop, and vice-versa.
Yes, it will. You misread the summary. WP7 will not run WP8 apps. The other way around will work as Microsoft has repeatedly stated.
Not in the 10k region but still - I appreciate the first post was a bit heavy on the enthusiasm - my guess is an enthusiastic MVP rather than anything more sinister..
A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs. Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news, especially if their software really does make innovative use of the available pixels. The point has been made recently that for PC usage (sharing on FB etc, 2MP is more than enough, for print 5MP is enough - IF THE QUALITY IS THERE.
I assume the stock has plummeted because until a few days ago everyone was hoping for a 20MP sensor and a new tablet to go with the phones. On the other hand - the markets are idiots - buy today, you'll be 10-15% richer by the end of the month if you sell at a time when they don't arbitrarily decide to mood swing again...
I am a bit disappointed that we loose the smaller screen model - the 820 doesn't really replace the 800, it's more of a slightly smaller variation on the 920 - which is a pity. I personally prefer to hold a smaller screen closer to my face... However, for the feature set that WP8 brings (NFC, more home/lock screen flexibility, better camera tech), I might just have to go larger.
Final comment as everyone takes a snipe at this. I have a lumia 800 and I'm looking forward to windows 7.8. I don't care that they're not giving me Windows 8 - the differences between 7.8 and 8 are the differences between the base specification of the current hardware and the next gen hardware (screen resolution, NFC etc). Microsoft are just being honest that their latest phones have features that their older phones don't support. Apple astroturf that fact and that causes heaps of faulty software that fails to cope well enough.
Love Windows Phone, like iPhone (though these days can't justify the cost), frustrated by having to sideload, hack and generally tweak Android whenever I use it.
And the rest of the world will get an S3 gratis on contract.
$199? seriously?
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With 2 year cell phone contracts, 1/24 or so would be eligible at random. However, the iPhone 4 was released in June 2010 so there are 3 months worth of early buyers that are freshly off contract.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I was hoping see some decent competition from MSFT to keep Apple on its toes but that is so weak. Why do they insist on that stupid flipping titles? People that I care about? If I want to see what "people that I care about" are doing, I can see notifications in the notifications bar pop up on my iPhone 4S or I can *gasp*, go into my facebook or twitter app instead of cluttering up my homescreen with their faces. Alternatively, I can alway "call" them. I hate the hub concept still and the flipping tiles are likely to give someone an epileptic seizure. It reminds me of some really badly designed website from the late 90's or early 00's.
Get it through your thick skulls MSFT, people like apps and they don't like distractions with flip-flopping tiles on the homescreen. I have to give you credit for trying to be original but give it a rest already. Also, nobody except fanboys like the "hub" concept. Stop trying to oversell your Xbox live and other services on the mobile platform.
BTW. Nice touch on slavishly copying Apple on the screenshot with the power and home button combo.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Not that it helps you but they do support Macs.
http://www.timesweaver.com/mac-friendly-nokia-lumia-900-with-windows-phone-7-is-the-best-alternative-to-ios-and-android/
It's interesting that Google can't find another instance of anyone ever writing out that command before.
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I know that I swim against the /. current here when it comes to Window Phone. I haven't drank of the MS or Apple or Linux koolaid. I use all three desktop OS flavors at work every week and they all have strengths and weaknesses. I never bought the first iPhone because of the soldered in battery. At the time I was using 2 batteries a day in the field. (not to mention the privacy concerns of not being able to REALLY turn off my phone). I had a miserable experience with the first Droid (randomly calling and texting). I went Blackberry for a while. Revisited iPhone, but the screen typing was horrid (large fingers). When it was time to upgrade in 2010 I went with the Samsung Focus and it just worked for me. I do like the Metro interface on the touchscreen, but always by-pass it when using Win8 on the desktop. Seems pretty useless on the desktop, but it would surely be useful on a tablet and possible a laptop with touchscreen.
The Nokia 900 WP7, had some advantages over the Samsung Focus S on the spec sheet. Bigger screen, bigger body (again... large hands), and the camera cmos appeared faster to me in the store. The other advantage is the Xbox Live connection. Love it! Games developed my interest in computers and I am a gamer at heart. My only complaint is that with the Case-Mate case I confuse the phone with my wallet when it's in my pocket sometimes, but I am working on the brain power required to recognize the difference.
I am only mildly concerned about not being able to upgrade to Windows Phone 8 with my Nokia 900. If I feel like I'm missing out on some must-have super app before my 2-year upgrade comes around, I will bite the bullet and pay the phone price.
For every benefit you receive a tax is levied. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
I'm sorry, I only have my own experience to draw from, from real life. I really wanted to get the Lumia, but I had had enough of missing features with my Walkman, and I didn't want to play that game again.
If I was hallucinating at the time, I apologize. My dream-state, which looked surprisingly like a Best Buy, was unable to mount a Nokia Lumia 610 Windows 7.5 phone to an Ubuntu installation. Now, I was only there for about an hour, dreaming, but the phone and my computer together made it impossible to mount.
Perhaps there are instructions for how to do that. If there are, they aren't online anywhere.
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The New Sony Xperia S is now supported by AOSP.
Expect there to be nexus phones from most of the major players within the next 6 months.
Even a middling android device has nicer hardware than the current iPhone or these new windows phones these days.
As a vendor/customer/developer, that's *your* problem, buddy. Start recoding. Too bad about that little cost thing you and your clients now have to deal with. Unless you're a C++ developer, of course, in which case, compatibility is magically not a problem.
Microsoft's motto: We don't provide and automatic compatibility or upgrade path unless our development staff happens to give a shit.
Cheers!
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
Also, there's plenty of use cases for standard connectors and protocols. Why should I have to send a 1080p video clip (that this phone is able to take) to SkyDrive if all I want to do is to watch it once on my TV / PC? It will take forever for me to upload it to Microsoft's servers over wifi, and if I'm not at home, uploading it over 3G will be expensive (and even slower).
WP7 was really quite interesting to see
Yeah, it was so great that it literally sold in the dozens. Dozens
the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different.
In terms of processing power, this is all true. But today, we're in a position where the computers in our pocket are just about as powerful as the onces on our desktops not even 7 years ago. There's a large class of applucations, especially for content consumption, that can be written for consumers across all platform types mentioned. Input and screen size are different issues, but that's where you have to re-implement a unique interface for each device. This is much easier than completely recoding everything from scratch for every platform, especially when the toolchain is streamlined by Microsoft.
people will be writing Windows XP apps for a while yet for maximum audience
Many of these people who still have XP also have a cellphone or tablet on which they probably spend more of their computer-facing time. Ever since I got my mom a tablet, she hasn't sat down at her desktop as that's where she does her email and reading. This whole tablet and smartphone thing isn't a fad, and it's quickly outpacing desktop PCs, a great many of which are corporate and other non-personal machines. By targeting XP + Windows 7 + Windows 8 (desktop) you might be targeting more physical machines, but you might be targeting less customers who would actually buy your app.
the entire attempt to shoehorn Metro into Windows 8 shows that they don't understand that you can't run a cellphone interface on a desktop, and vice-versa.
This statement just shows that you don't understand exactly the purpose of the Metro interface. Most people are completely afraid of their computers. They don't know how to manage their machines, they don't know how to configure them, they don't know how to fix them when things go wrong, they don't know how to discover and explore new functionality... Metro provides an easy, consistent, predictable UI. Search is always in the same place, settings is always in the same place, sharing is always in the same place, app behavior is predictable and consistent... these are all very real benefits no matter what platform you are on. Mouse and keyboard shortcuts are very prevalent, and there is nothing stopping any developer from making mouse or keyboard centric metro apps for desktop PCs and making them more touch friendly for tablets and phones.
I'm completely uninterested in an iOS device, but this new Lumia 920 is pretty impressive, hardware-wise. The Galaxy Nexus isn't bad, but not necessarily what I want to pick up now to last a year or two. I'm also not a huge fan of Super AMOLED.
- oZ
// i am here.
every year. Upgrade your PC to run the new Windows, and upgrade your Phone to run the new OS. 1 year warranty, and 1 year life cycle.
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
Repeated exhortations of how WP8 and the Lumia 920 were developed in conjunction. Wheeling out top Microsoft execs for every Lumia launch. Does any other WP8 really have a chance? Why do they even bother? There are several problems with Android, but Google has always gone to extreme lengths to make sure they didn't appear to favour an OEM, releasing flagship NExus devices with Motorola (when they were independent), Samsung, HTC, and Asus. That may of course change with Googorola. But right now, it seems Microsoft seems to feel that it won't hurt them at all if Nokia drives other OEMs out of the WP8 market. And you know what, I think they're right. With their insipid design and terrible software, I don't see Samsung and HTC competing with Nokia anyway. Maybe at the low end of the market. But when was the last time either of them released something as distinctive as the Nokia Lumia 920? Never.
Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.
I'd certainly hope so. After all, if Zynga or Intuit started to make Angry Birds for the Windows 8 platform, I'd expect that to get its own /. article!
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
This phone has no SD card slot.
Never said it was a fad. I have two smartphones myself (one for work, one for personal--both Android, as a matter of fact). What I *do* say is that the market dominance of Android and iPhone will break Windows Phone 8, and compatibility with Windows 8 won't save it.
Oh, thank you, I didn't know that it would work with Mac. Not that it matters in my case, but good to know.
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but shipped millions!
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
1% of a thousand times more would mean ten quality android apps for every wp7 app in existence. I like those numbers!
unlike XP where you could see everything you had in one shot.
For the vast majority of people, having three or four columns of Start menu, fold out with a chaotic grouping of small icons next to small folders didn't help them find their programs. They still had to take their mouse and scroll over each and everyone, just to make sure that they didn't miss what they were looking for. Many times it resulted in the mouse wandering too far outside of some invisible boundary, causing flyouts to collapse, and they'd start scanning all over again.
Samsung slavishly copied Apple
Yeah, according to one court that sits about 5 miles from Apple HQ. Funny the rest of the world disagrees you jingoistic Americunts.
Unlike all the other smartphones...
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Samsung slavishly copied Apple and Nokia has clearly proven you can design a next-gen phone that looks nothing like the iPhone
Apple paid $1 billion to Nokia, plus $8 per device for patent infringement because iPhone's technical parts were infringing Nokia patents. And that is for real, hardware patents, not bouncing menus or pinch-to-zoom. Apple is as much guilty as Samsung may be, and I really wish Nokia went all the way and refused licensing instead, to give Apple a taste of its own medecine.
Right... so where's my Jelly Bean update Verizon? (Galaxy Nexus user since launch day)
what's to become of Windows CE? Is this it's death knell?
Mango apps resume instantly (they're suspended in RAM, that's all). If Rovio hasn't gotten around to recompiling Angry Birds for Mango I'd be surprised (it's literally a three-click process in Visual Studio) but I suppose that's possible. In any case, most games resume instantly after you switch back from the call interface, even if you're still on the call (games will usually resume in a paused state for obvious reasons, but that's just a convenience fo rhte user).
WP8 will run all WP7 apps, which presumably means it will continue to support instant resume. The increased amount of RAM on some models may also allow suspending more apps, which would be nice.
Also, you can totally use C/C++ for WP7 development. There are even some (few) third-party apps in the Marketplace which do so. You just have to either figure out the tricks yourself (homebrew developers did this almost immediately) or get Microsoft approval (OEM apps and the officially-sanctioned Adobe Reader app being examples where that permission was granted beforehand).
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
Still nobody will buy it.
Honestly, they just cant compete with iOS and Android. and with the latest release of android, Google just upped their game hard. Now all they need to do is tell handset makers that if they dont use the latest version they cant call it android or use any android branding to help flush off the craptastic 2.3.3 gingerbread phones that are still coming out.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Right.... never used android or IOS have you.
I have a 4 year old iphone tat runs the latest OS.
I also have a 2 year old android phone that runs the latest android.
Tell us how the nokia is EXACTLY like the other phones again in how it cant be upgraded.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
You absolutely must have a Windows install, and a virtual machine won't cut it.
Are you sure? I find that most USB devices work fine in VirtualBox. For example, I had a Windows Mobile phone and that worked, but it was a bit buggy. Don't get me wrong though, I wouldn't use it in Linux with a VM, it's pretty shitty to have a 2GB "sync application" constantly running and doing nothing
S3 gratis on contract
gratis on contract that's like unlimited data up to 500Mb, unlimited 1500 SMS, free call after connection fee, ... If you want to make price comparison, either compare the sim-free version or the total cost of contract. Otherwise, hey my bank offered my mobile phone for free with an extra 6GBP cashback. I just had to show my credit card at the shop and type the 4 digit number my bank sent me.
Not without installing it yourself you didn't.
http://www.mobilebloom.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus-4g-jelly-bean-4-1-on-the-way-unofficially-already-out/2221143/
Promising delivery by the end of September...
"those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps"
My G1 can in fact run a very limited relase of Android Jelly Bean. The CyanogenMod guys keep doing this just because they can.
IOS 6 does run on a 3GS, albeit missing some features. Before that, I think the iPhone 3 is pretty much out of it, but that's what, 4 generations back? My G1 is at least 3 generations back...
But your Windows 7 phone, booting Windows 8? Nope. Not even for fun.
And this goes back past Windows Phone to the old CE releases.
Clearly Microsoft still doesn't get it. Or they want to continue to go forward, leaving the old behind.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
The 16GB is at least $100. Depending on the provider it can be more. Where I live, at least.
Always follow the party line, no matter what. "Die partei, die partie, die hat immer recht"
Possibly an eye-opener: if Samsung slavishly copied Apple, who did Apple copy? The differences between Apples first attempt at a mobile phone and earlier phones from more experienced manufacturers are not that big, all the way from the basic shape (rounded cornered rectangle, screen dominated front, speaker and microphone at logical positions) through the basic interface (a grid of icons) to more specific features (slide to unlock, context-sensitive actions on text, etc). Literally all of this had been done before. Nobody had made an iPhone before, and nobody - other than Apple - has made one ever since. The same can be said though for, eg, the HTC Prophet. HTC never claimed they owned the basic shape of this device, nor did they claim to own the basic interface (a grid of icons). LG did not claim they owned the concept of a rectangular, rounded cornered screen dominated slab with a capacitive touch screen. Which is logical - they did not invent the capacitive touch screen, nor did they invent the rectangle or the colour black. You did not see any HTC or LG (or any of the other manufacturers') users claiming these things either. Samsung never claimed to own these things, even though they had several products which predated Apple's first phone while encompassing many of its features.
Oddly enough Apple does make these claims, and many Apple users parrot them.
Please take some effort to answer this question: who did Apple copy? If your answer is 'nobody, they invented all of this themselves' then I'm afraid you'll have to do some more studying.
Apple made a popular phone, which sold by the millions even though the price was inflated. It still sells by the millions, and these sales have made Apple a stupendous amount of profit (both because of the obscene profit margin on these phones as well as the sheer number of phones they sold). In other words, they made a successful product. Where they went wrong was when they started claiming to be the sole proprietors of the basic concepts behind this phone.
Please use some common sense before you parrot their statements. Have a look at the television wall in some electronics store to see what I mean. Look at the washing machines, or the calculators, or just about any other product. Look around you and see - nobody is an island. No company creates something out of nothing. This includes Apple. They, like everyone else, look around them and base their products on what they've seen. The difference between Apple and most other companies is that they then turn around and claim never to have looked, that they came up with it all by themselves. This is wrong, and you know it is wrong.
Don't just blindly follow the party line.
Think Different.
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Fact is, developing for a smart phone is a completely different thing from developing for a desktop or game console; the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different.
Not as different as you might think, actually. Keep in mind that Win8 apps are supposed to run on tablets, including ARM tablets. And those things are pretty much smartphones with a bigger screen (and a correspondingly bigger battery, but only to support that screen) today.
It's Windows 8, of course it sucks. It's even worse than Windows 7.
What does this have to do with Windows Phone? You realize it's a whole different OS, right?
And do you really want to run XP on your phone?
So as long as just about everything you need is in the Microsoft ecosystem, then you won't really need to sync. Great!
Speak for yourself. I transfer files to my Android phone over Wifi all the time. And I'm not alone - my mom just got a phone and she wanted to be able to pull pictures from relatives' phones without requiring both phones to have the same obscure transfer app. I told her she could do this natively on Android over Bluetooth, but it may only work with other Android phones since Apple likes to lock down Bluetooth (probably to make the record labels happy). So even non-techies are looking to do things that are not possible with these locked-down platforms.
big plans for their Linux based highend OS, which was universally praised
Not by developers it wasn't.
It might have been fine compared to how people used to develop apps for Nokia Phones, but the MeeGo stuff was awfully limited looking at it from an Android or iPhone developer standpoint.
The truth is that MeeGo was a good update for pre-iPhone OS's, but could not cut it in the new world which was why Nokia was forced to partner with MS. They just did not have the resources to bring it up to scratch in time.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually you're touching on the one really really strong point of WP here, the games. On my android tablet I tried for a long time to find games that were actually decent and found a minimal number, but for my windows phone while there are admittedly less games than android, the majority of them are really strong, well-made games. I think this is because the windows phone's support for the XNA framework. Admittedly the android landscape has probably changed since I was last trying to play games on it ~1.5 years ago considering the quality of hardware has spiked since then for android devices.
Seems that everyone was cool with the FRAND licensing terms Nokia had. Everyone except the new kid on the block.
I do have to admit that visual studio is great but unfortunately it won't run on wine so I use something else, I wish i could find open source ide that has all of its features like built in gui designer.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
You completely ignore the fact that many people would be past their 24 month period, moreover I believe you get discounted upgrades for contract resigning at 18 months to ensure people upgrade before tasting the sweet taste of contractlessness, so it's actually 1/(18-n) people based on the number of people past their 18 months.
"Supposed to" and "Good idea to" are two different things. So far, I do not know of any successful app that runs on both a smartphone/tablet and a desktop. Let me know when somebody does it, okay?
So in short, W8 phones are as bad as W8 computers reportedly are? I'm glad I don't own MS stock!
I wonder if you can use it with Apple (even though I have no Apples, and wouldn't buy it anyway despite the fact that I have two Windows machines). No uploading or downloading?
Is Windows going to be the new CP/M?
Free Martian Whores!
That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that WP8 will run WP7 apps. The point was that all WP7 apps will be available for WP8 on the day it is launched. The only catch 22 seems to be in your thought process.
The point is that people writing Win8 Metro apps will primarily target tablets, not desktops - and then those apps would be a natural fit to port to WP as well. I didn't say anything about those apps being a good fit for the desktop. I personally don't use any Metro stuff on the desktop despite running Win8.
And yes, people are writing Win8 Metro apps already. For example, Amazon had a Kindle app - in fact, it was already there during Win8 beta.
Now you can't even see what you have installed. You have to scroll, and scroll, and scroll to see what's there and even then it's not a complete list.
Yeah, burying everything in menus is the future. OS vendors have been prefecting the technology of hiding everything you want to see since 1984, and it's obvious that no other UI will ever work, ever.
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
You have a 4 year old iPhone 3GS? Wow! You must be some kind of tech insider to have gotten that in 2008, more than a year before everyone else! Or else you're lying.
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Most of the key features touted surpass all other phones at this point, the camera, image stabilization, navigation, indoor maps, display, wireless charging, UI, NFC. Looks like I will jump ship from Samsung to Nokia in coming months.
A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs.
Yeah...a year ago.
Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news
Only by checkbox marketers and the idiots impressed by gimmicks.
You managed to defeat your own point within the same comment, bravo.
Is it just me or are Android fans getting really angry over the Nokia news? It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use — bypassing the One True Platform in favor of something that comes out of Redmond. Quick, we must flood the comment threads pointing out how quad-core CPUs, ridiculously high-res displays, and a zillion samey-looking apps make all the difference.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
How is it impressive?
Compare to an S3 or a One X.
The Lumia CPU is outdated, and the screen is AMOLED. So if you think Super AMOLED is not for you neither is this.
I love my Galaxy Nexus, but if I had to make the same decision now I would not get it. At the time it was a great device, but the S3 or OneX or the Xperia are better choices these days. The first two if you will do your own updates the latter if not.
Photos auto-sync via Skydrive.
If you actually want to use Windows Live.
Email is all cloud-based.
For tiny little miniscule values of all...
Many of us keep photos on our home servers (my /media/Photos tree has 310GB of files) . Many of us keep emails either on the home server, or accessed from POP/IMAP servers using an email client.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
Note, I'm in the US, so the S3 and One X are both crippled here, so by comparison, the Lumia looks great. I'm not seeing that the Lumia 920 has AMOLED -- it has the "PureMotion HD+" IPS display. The 820 stays with the AMOLED display, which is notably darker and grainier than the 920's display.
- oZ
// i am here.
My Lumia 800 mounts under Linux but it's listed as a media device via MTP. That means I can use it to transfer files but not to update firmware or similar actions. The phone doesn't do OTA updates so I'd be screwed if I didn't have a Windows PC. Not that I expect it will receive many updates in future aside from 7.8.
I didn't say it was great to buy, it was great to try out. Somewhat different problem.
Crippled?
You can get the international version just fine. Amazon has it for sure.
If by crippled you mean waiting on carriers for upgrades the Lumia will not fix that. They have already announced that WinPhone 7 folks are not getting WinPhone 8. What do you think they will do with WinPhone 9?
My D1 is running ICS right now, and will be running JB soon enough.
Well, that is what I get for trusting Wikipedia it said AMOLED.
The Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 is the same processor as in some versions of the S3 and One X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4
As for Super AMOLED, the downside is the pentile (RGBG as opppsoed to RGB) pixel arrangement which induces fuzziness in text. Displays with this screen contain 1/3 fewer subpixels compared to RGB, but with the same resolution. Lumia 900 is a clear black AMOLED technology with RGB pixels and looks amazing. I haven't seen a 920 obviously, but if it's anything like the 900 it will be gorgeous.
As for other impressive hardware in the 920, you have NFC, wireless charging, advanced optics (floating lens image stabilization), curved glass display, unibody design, super sensitive touchscreen (can touch with normal gloves on or even fingernails), and at 1280x768 on 4.5 inches has a higher pixel density (332) than the S3 (306), OneX (312), and iPhone 4S (326).
International version won't get LTE on AT&T, won't get T-Mobile US at all.
My G2 is running ICS as well, but as I said, hack after hack. It sucks that no W7 devices will get W8, but they're offering some level of compatibility, and the first devices made it through 3-4 versions before going away. Even the Nexus One didn't achieve that.
- oZ
// i am here.
The game ARMED is a good example of a non MS app that works great on Windows 8, Windows RT, and Windows Phone 7. There are many cross platform MS apps, but I'm sure after all three platforms are released we'll see more.
I think I hear a swoosh sound ... You might want to check out the last half of the echo command.
Android iterates versions a lot faster, I thought.
G2 has official ICS, no need for hacks.
LTE is pretty limited, especially AT&T. Technically the GT-i9300(s3 international) would work T-Mobile USA just edge speeds only.
G2 does not have official ICS. Updates stopped at 2.3.6. Current iteration of ICS for G2 is limited to the 2.6.x Linux kernel, which leads to other issues. JB lacks a camera and a reasonable experience on the G2, but those will sort themselves out.
EDGE is a poor experience. :)
I understand the points you're trying to make, and I'm merely checking out the competition. It's nice to see WP8 become a player, because it just means the other OS options will continue getting better.
- oZ
// i am here.
The T-mobile G2 has official ICS.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-galaxy-s-ii-ice-cream-sandwich-update-now-live
Which G2 are you talking about?
I totally agree. I just am not as excited as I am just so sad about the death of Nokia. I wish they would have come up with their own OS and done all the things we both wish would happen like no carrier interference.
That's a Galaxy S2. I'm talking about the older HTC model with the flip out keyboard. I sold off my hacked Galaxy Note and am back on that device until I find something worth upgrading to.
And, yeah, preaching to the choir. I was a N900 owner, and looked forward to a MeeGo world.
- oZ
// i am here.
No, it isn't. Windows Phone 8 use exactly the same NT operating system as does Windows 7 and Windows 8 (and Vista, XP, 2000, NT 4 etc before it).
It uses the same kernel. It doesn't mean that it's the same OS. The userland is different.
And, of course, it still doesn't make the original post to which I've replied make any more sense, given that it was complaining about the UI changes between desktop Win7 and Win8 (and XP for goot measure), like the Start menu. Certainly something very important on a smartphone, I understand.
It is exactly the same as saying that Android sucks because of Gnome Shell and Unity making things so much worse.
The New Sony Xperia S is now supported by AOSP.
And it has the "XCP" easy-root feature, removes functionality from the device after it's already paid for, and leaves your customer info on an internet facing database in clear text.
Why would you buy a digital device from a company with a history like that? The foolishness of such a purchase borders on madness.
Stop buying eqipment from Sony lest everyone knows you to be a fool.
Free Martian Whores!
As for Super AMOLED, the downside is the pentile (RGBG as opppsoed to RGB) pixel arrangement which induces fuzziness in text.
That's funny. I'm looking at a Galaxy Nexus right now and the text isn't remotely fuzzy. As a matter of fact it is crystal clear.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Lumia 900 is a clear black AMOLED technology with RGB pixels and looks amazing. I haven't seen a 920 obviously, but if it's anything like the 900 it will be gorgeous.
I have a Nexus S and I've compared it side by side with a Lumia 900. The Nexus S has a crisper display with blacker blacks. And that thing is comparatively old. You'll forgive me for not being impressed by checklist marketing specs.
As for other impressive hardware in the 920, you have NFC,
So do a lot of phones.
wireless charging,
Again, what's new?
advanced optics (floating lens image stabilization),
Does it also have sparkomanoflaps on the disfabulator? Again with the checklist gimmickry.
curved glass display,
Done to death on the Nexus line.
unibody design,
I'm talking on it not driving it. I don't give a shit.
super sensitive touchscreen (can touch with normal gloves on or even fingernails)
Can you say "BUTT DIAL"?
What an uninspired piece of trash.
Ah, my mistake. Your right, the G2 did not get ICS.
The guy at work with a Galaxy S2 always uses GS2 and I just mixed that up.
Meego would have been nice, so would WebOS. Android is good enough, but I was hoping for more, especially from Nokia.
This user 2 comments in their history both the same with no content.
Repulsive on the part of Microsoft.
"f you're an Android power user, and you want to see reasonable OS updates, then you know to buy a Nexus device, that's the point of them."
Unless you have a Nexus phone on the largest carrier in the U.S.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/07/27/lack-of-nexus-s-4g-android-4-1-jelly-bean-update-bad-sign-for-verizon-galaxy-nexus/
"Google can't force the various carriers and handset makers push out updates,"
Apple doesn't seem to have a problem updating all of their devices across carriers worldwide without waiting on the carriers. Surprisingly enough, even Microsoft takes responsibility for Windows Phones updates without waiting on the carrier or OEM.
Put down the crack pipe and read the post again.
Done: that AC derides Lumia 920's specs as "last year", apparently meaning quad-core CPUs and other useless overdrive, and then goes on a tirade about idiots impressed by gimmicks.
It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use
All debatable and easily found on every platform.
Heh. We both know how hard are all these qualities to come by with the Android devices that are on the market, especially if you want all of them together.
How about this, Mr. Windows Phone guy. Before talking shit how about SHIPPING SOME GODDAMNED PHONES. Then you can crow all day long. RIght now you sitting at under 5 percent and sinking. SHIP fucker. Then you will have something to say. Until then it's just pathetic posturing.
Boy aren't you a handsome example of the rabid fanbois that keep me amused every time I read comments about non-Android smartphones. I bet next year the tune will change to "your under 10 percent and sinking, show me some real SHIPPING". Meanwhile the indifferent world will roll by, and people will keep offending you by buying what looks better for them.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
No, I saw that, but I figured he was calling me a retard for not knowing the command for zune adaptability.
Poe's Law, sorry.
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ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
Yeah, I bought Astro, it's quite magnificent for transferring files from my NAS. It's also got a BT module, it worked great for grabbing all the photos from my dad's old phone.
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ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
Open up Chromium on that Linux box and lock the affinity to one core. Now go down slashdot middle-click opening every set of comments and see how much the box starts to lag. Now reboot and do the same test again while using both cores and note the difference. The fact that you even made this lame attempt at trolling saddens us all.
I thought it was going to be something like that... Sorry, I have better uses for my CPU cycles than abusing Slashdot's poorly scalable attempt to keep up with Web 2.0 (I'm browsing it now with the mostly single-threaded Firefox, to not much trouble). The thought of browsing Slashdot comments on a phone is downright revolting. Please find something that, you know, people out there with a life would do.
You asked me to satisfy your requirements and I did. Now you are trying to distract me by moving the goalposts. Troll harder. Please. BTW, the display is gorgeous and only the most persnickety of pimple-faced aspy's tell a real difference in day to day use.
Thanks for your stern answer to the AC up in the thread who seemed to find an issue with the level of hardware specs found in Lumia 920 :-)
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
What exactly have you been looking for? Are there Windows 8 versions of all of this? Oh wait, your account is brand new, you're obviously a shill. An actual "Android Power User" wouldn't care one jot about Windows Phone.. it's irrelevant really.
I'm an Android "power user" who thinks that Android is a terrible OS, less stable and mature than Windows 3.11. I think that iOS (with which I have experience as a user, but I've never fiddled with the OS) is at the same level as Android. I suspect that Windows Phone is probably also crap, but since it's the major smartphone OS I haven't yet tried I'm interested in giving it a shot before I declare all mobile operating systems garbage. I think that anyone who has spent real time with Android or iOS and has any experience with software or a remotely critical mind would be pretty interested in jumping ship, even if the life raft is probably just as leaky.
"I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
When did you last try iOS? I haven't had any stability issues to speak of (other than facebook app crashing) since v4. V3 i had do some wierd, wierd stuff though.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
And 99% of your time wasted looking for those apps.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
You did well, friend. Your check is in the mail.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I don't know, SCO was kinda slow to die, Nokia has a good chance to show a better time.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
Only if you are one of those retards who single-step through their programs in futile attempts to understand what the fuck they wrote.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
For some reason whenever I see the name "Stephen Elop" my brain subconsciously sees the word "Flop" instead. Maybe it's trying to tell me something...
Most people on Slashdot are fucking idiots.
It is a OR statement. The second command will only run if the first command returns a false;
Not really. Most of the good apps tend to bubble to the top where they get a lot of exposure. Now if you like to be "trendy", you are going to have to work harder.
It's not your own phone or your own PC, you just license the use...don't even lie and say you've read every EULA of every piece of software you've ever used...
"I don't want more choice, I just want nicer things!"
-Jennifer Saunders as Edina Monsoon
Please, I need a good laugh tonight, tell us the funny story about trying to explain "pairing" to your mother...
"I don't want more choice, I just want nicer things!"
-Jennifer Saunders as Edina Monsoon
I've become bored and annoyed with an ecosystem that relies on hack upon hack just to keep your phone useful after a year.
Then buy something super-common and well supported. It doesn't have to be a nexus device, but that's a good choice. Because the only way you get stuck using hacks to keep your phone current is to buy a phone so obscure that NO ONE will port the latest stable cyanogenmod. I mean, honestly? My 2 year old "free with contract" android phone had an update to 4.0 before I sold it a few months back. It has had cyanogenmod support since I bought it.
... Blackberry? Or Symbian? Or WebOS? PalmOS? ... really.
I just made sure I didn't buy the most obscure, unknown phone out there. It's called "making a smart buying decision". Maybe you think the WP8 phone will fix that problem for you... but android is the only phone that gets frequent updates on unsupported phones. Don't look at apple, they don't do it. And the other phone options
Quartz Extreme and Core Image. Are there any other real reasons to spend all that money on generic hardware?
Nobody buys the playbook because it's not competitive with other tablets in its class. Does it have email and calendar yet?
"I don't want more choice, I just want nicer things!"
-Jennifer Saunders as Edina Monsoon
Is Windows going to be the new CP/M?
Someone is going to come and copy it but make the commands and devices incompatible? Pretty sure Linux has already tried that...
"I don't want more choice, I just want nicer things!"
-Jennifer Saunders as Edina Monsoon
If someone posted a similar story highlighting all the companies that partnered/used failed Google services it would be downmodded as troll but because it's Microsoft this gets modded up.
So your point is that correlation == causation?
You can get help migrating your apps to the Lumina using a program from Mark/Space that helps you move your data as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/mark-space-welcome-home-eases-us-into-new-nokia-lumias/
Disclaimer: I work for Quixey, a company not mentioned in the Engadget article, but which provides part of the back-end service.
I've never had any stability issues with Android. With individual applications, yes. Like the other poster who replied to you, I find the Facebook app is one of the worst offenders.
which is totally what she said
DOS (Windows) copied CP/M. At the time, no commands or devices were compatible; that didn't happen until Compaq cloned the IBM BIOS.
Linux is a clone of Unix, and all the commands and devices are compatible. You can take a 40 year old Unix program, recompile it, and it will run on Linux (and now on Mac as well). In fact, Windows is the only incompatible OS (except some mainframe OSes).
But by "the new CP/M" I meant incompatible with everything and obsolete.
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Evernote, Keynote, EA's Monopoly.
I thought it was very "last year", too, initially. But they are using the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, which is based on Qualcomm's Krait processor, not the ARM A9 or the yet even slower Qualcomm Scorpion core. I think a dual core Krait, while not a match for a four core A9, is still very much a 2012-vintage processor. Display and camera are also fairly contemporary, if nothing unusual.
In fact, only real flaw I see is the locked-down Windows 8 Phone software....
-Dave Haynie
There's no "cheap pen-tile" when you're talking about a 720p screen that's 4.5" wide. Once the pixels are too small to be seen anyway, there's little wrong with the pentile arrangement. For an OLED display, it keeps the display 20% lower power and 20% cooler, which has traditionally been a problem with OLED -- overheating shortens display life.
Of course, Nokia's OLED phones are RGB, like Samsung's old Galaxy SII, which isn't much of a problem when you have a gigantic screen and low resolution. The 920's screen went back to LED, because Nokia doesn't have access to higher density OLED technology at present. They have a few tweaks to the tech (dubbed PureView... apparently, all new Nokia technologies will be dubbed Pure-Motion). They claim traditional high density IPS LCDs (I'm sure they mean Apple) are too slow for video (not even slightly a factor on any OLED screen -- the LEDs switch in nanoseconds), so they're using a high voltage spike (and, of course, more power) to deliver a claimed 7ms response (fast enough for video, yes) versus a claimed 28ms response for an unnamed "typical" display. They also have higher output LED backlights, which they claim will make their device more readable than the unnamed "typical" display (as are all OLEDs) in bright sunlight. No comment given on what all this does to battery life, particularly since the display, LCD or OLED, is generally the place all your power goes on a smartphone.
They're also claiming the touchscreen can be operated with fingernails or even gloves. To me, that's pretty interesting... I have thick guitar-generated calluses on my left hand, which the Galaxy Nexus pretty much ignores. So I can only touch-screen with my right hand. Not a biggie, but something I'd look for (in Android, of course) if it was actually available. And that's the one reason I'll track down a 920 at some point and play with it... like to see if that's real or not.
They put out a whitepaper on this stuff... kind of a marketing thing, but with a little meat here and there: http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824216/data/2/-/PuremotionHD.pdf
Anyway, Nokia was nice enough to put out a whitepaper on this stuff. Pretty much marketing-oriented, but it does dig in a bit.
-Dave Haynie
Screen is a IPS with a super bright mode for outdoor use, changed from the AMOLED in the 900.
This space for rent.
Not only I write code for living, I do so for two decades, and never seen a Visual Studio user who used it for any reaon other than compensating for his stupidity or ignorance.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
then you really have to come up with something special on the hardware front.
I'm no fan of Apple, but thank god they forced every other manufacturer to start putting Hi-res screens in their devices.
I think this Nokia phone serves two purposes as well - firstly it's the 'physical home of WM8', secondly it creates a benchmark that other phones are judged against.
Good example of what happens if you don't do this is Android. I've had a variety of decent phones and love it to bits, then was a bit confused when people complained, then picked up a cheap no-name tablet and knew exactly what they meant. It was VILE.
My guess as to the purpose of the Nexus 7 is to provide a benchmark - If you as a no-name Chinese manufacturer can't make either something significantly cheaper, or significantly better, your product will die in the water. Therefore crappy Android systems should now be leaving us.
Likewise with this Nokia WM8 phone - It doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't have to be the only phone - however every WM8 phone that is released will be compared to this.