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Iran Behind Cyber Attacks On U.S. Banks
New submitter who_stole_my_kidneys writes "Evidence suggests the Iranian government is behind cyberattacks this week that have targeted the websites of JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America. The attacks are described by one source, a former U.S. official, as being 'significant and ongoing,' and looking to cause 'functional and significant damage.' Another source suggested the attacks were in response to U.S. sanctions on Iranian banks."
Maybe if we apologize to them more, they'll like us.
"Former U.S. Official" is code for "Anonymous Coward." Why an anonymous source? Surely someone nameable actually knows about this.
Iran already wants their own isolated Internet, so the rest of the world should just disconnect them.
Problem solved!
...someone who would like to frame Iran.
Iran is doing more to punish those criminals than our own government is. Thanks Iran.
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Some advice to the firms helping Iran out with this:
Avoid being paid in rials.
The brave cyberwarriors of the theocracy can on one hand fight for the glory of their dogmatic institutions, while using the technology that the infidels invented, that they wouldn't even possess, without assembly in infidel lands.
How is God great when it is the godless who provides the tools used to prove God is great?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Maybe we can overthrow their government and install a brutal dictator who will torture and murder people with our approval.
Maybe we can pay a neighbouring country to start a war with them. We could give that neighbouring country chemical and biological weapons and then accuse Iran of using them.
We could impose crippling sanctions on them, denying them medicine and illegally seizing their assets where we can, and threatening anyone who trades with them.
We could fund Sunni extremists to blow up cars in crowded markets, hoping to start a wave of terror.
We could start murdering their scientists and academics.
We could launch our own cyber attack on them.
Well, we could do all these things again, as we've done them all at least once. Maybe,if we can't think of anything else, we can ask, exasperated, "Why do they hate us?"
Work like no one is watching. Dance like you've never been hurt. Make love like you don't need the money.
You destroy their centrifuging equipment, they attempt to kick your in the bank. What ? youw ere expecting in impunity to attack a coutnry without that coutnry answering ?
http://xkcd.com/932/
With the endless parade of cash from Bernanke currently scheduled to the tune of $40 BILLION per month indefinitely, somehow, I think these poor abused banks will squeek through this. Hell.. they could buy every damn tech manufacturer then make them custom build giant golden cow shaped HFT machines the size of the statue of liberty and then still have enough bailout cash to fill every Olympic pool in the US with $100 bills.
I think this is the second or third accusation from the US to Iran about something or the other this week.
This pastern of preparing people for another war again is getting a bit obvious by now,
Life starts at the end of your comfort zone.
We need to have a world court, staffed with judges representing all countries. The United Nations is not effective enough. And it needs to be implemented soon.
There is nothing you can do with someone who has sworn to kill you & tear up your home other than to stop them.
And yet you want "us" to apologize to them for preventing them from developing nuclear weapons? I'd say that preventing them from having a means of creating nuclear weapons is a pretty nice way of "stop[ping] them", compared to killing them all and tearing up their homes.
Uh... it's not really 'aggression' when it's in response to a previous, unprovoked attack, is it? I think the phrase you're looking for is "the best defense is a good offense."
So... US/Isreal invades Iranian territory, hacks their computers causing millions in physical damage to equipment, murders Iranian nationals within their own borders with drive-by bombings, sanctions, constant threats and saber-rattling... but Iran and their allies are the terrorists for allegedly perpetrating a DDoS attack on a couple outward-facing bank websites?
Yea, I think most bullies would, at some point, realize that at least one of the people they've fucked with will eventually retaliate.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Now maybe the banks will start fixing there sites. Poor security, only works in IE, etc.
My lame attempt at sarcasm doesn't work and I should stop it.
I don't advocate holocausts. I can, however, see taking out key nuclear facilities. It seems obvious that over the long term, the non-Muslim world stands a great chance of suffering higher costs dealing with the Iranian nukes than taking them out now.
There is never a clean solution when one country says blatantly and openly they will destroy another country or two or three.
yes, the usa and the uk did bad things in the cold war. so did the soviet union. in fact, every single goddam country in the world has a black mark on its past from some point in its history
what does that mean? NOTHING. what the usa did in the cold war has zero, ZERO bearing on the beliefs and will and agenda of the actual iranians in charge of the actual country of iran today
are iranians an angry hive of bees? dumb forces of nature? i don't think so. but you think so: according to you, iranians are not real people, capable of their own motivations, ideas and thoughts. in your mind iranians are only cardboard cut out automatons, whose range of actions are confined to mirror image reflections... of what somebody did in the west 60 years ago!
colonialism is over. the cold war is dead. the point of history is to learn from it, not be TRAPPED in it
i mean let's put it this way: bin laden bombed the wtc on 9/11/2001. therefore, i can blame all politics in the usa since that point in time on saudi arabia. right? bush was elected again in 2004 because of bin laden. obama was elected in 2008 because of bin laden. the dream act being stymied out is because bin laden. iphone 5 is because of bin laden. it's the year 2045, some guy in the usa landed on mars. of course, because of what bin laden did in 2001
do you see how stupid this is?
i lose my patience with this condescending, patronizing ignorance where, in your mind, all sources of good, or bad, can only flow from the west
brain dead dipshit: there are actual people with their own original ideas in other parts of the world. shocking huh? (such as islamic rule, which was the basis of the iranian revolution in 1979... did the usa invent islamic rule?)
stop commenting on international issues, it's embarrassing
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
There is already a Muslim country with nuclear weapons and it is only a matter of time until more have them. They keep getting cheaper to manufacture. I don't blame them for wanting nuclear weapons given what happened in Iraq and Libya. Today either you have a viable deterrent or you are screwed into being a lapdog for the US.
It's a couple of Too Big To Fail banks. They aren't the most popular organizations just now. Is it a massive high-bandwidth DDOS? Or some Anonymous-esque probe? It may be Iran, I don't know, but lacking evidence, Iran wouldn't be my first choice of perpetrator for something like this.
A/C suggested it yesterday a few stories down.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Iran represents monetary ideas that show that modern societies can work without interest based banking.
Ha ha ha ha ha! You think their banks work without interest? Semantic horseshit. The Islamic religious fanatics in charge are STEEPED in semantic horseshit.
Islamic "non-interest" banks simply calculate what the interest would be, then adds it on to the loan as a fee. You pay the same amount, but it is added in as a lump sum fee. Instead of a $100,000 loan w/5% interest on a $100,000 house, they buy the house for $100,00 then resell it to you for $200,000 on term. That isn't sinful interest, it is a blessed fee. Bankers are still bankers. TANSTAAFL.
Oh, and wagering on horse races is illegal because gambling is a sin. Except in Iran. When you place a bet on the ponies at the track, you're given a minuscule percentage of ownership of the horse for the duration of the race. Because betting on a horse you OWN isn't a sin. Only betting on OTHER animals is. Semantics.
Guess how they handle the "sin" of prostitution? You know how Islam allows you to have up to 3 wives? Well, if you only have 1 or 2 you can pop into the brothel and have the cleric "marry" you to one of the girls for the duration -- a few minutes to a couple of hours. This way she isn't a prostitute but your wife, and thus it isn't a sin. Instant divorce when you're done. They make Las Vegas look like pikers.
So feel free to go on and on about how Islamic banks have the answer to "fractional reserve banking" and the evils of usury but when you're done, look at it again and you'll see it is the same old pig just with a different wig.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
see, i worked at the wtc until 9/11/2001. bin laden bombed the wtc, i lost my job. my entire life is now defined by that event. so, what i just wrote is not my responsibility, it is the responsibility of bin laden and saudi arabia
i'm going to rise up politically and in the year 2040 i am going to violently suppress a revolution in the usa when i am in power. but again, not my fault, saudi arabia's fault, because of 9/11
</sarcasm>
do you see how fucking stupid this ignorant bullshit sounds?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You know the US has had some countries it has had a beef with in the past. The UK, Germany, Japan, and so on. You might want to examine their reaction, their relations these days.
There is something to be said for "forgive and forget" rather than holding a grudge until the end of eternity.
For that matter, were the US to apply the same logic they'd have plenty of reason to hold a grudge forever against Iran. The embassy hostage situation would be a good example. A gross violation of international and US law, not to mention human rights and a literal act of war.
If you want to subscribe to the concept of "never forgive, never forget, get revenge no matter how long," you might want to consider what that would do for international relations, particularly if big powerful countries like the US and China decided to play that way (look up what Japan did to China in WW2).
Otherwise maybe we should hold the idea that nations need to swallow their pride, let bygones be bygones, and try to make progress. They will not agree with everything the others do, but they can learn to play nice.
'Cui bono' test for Iran: LOW
What? They're going to make off with virtual sacks of money?
What a coincidence that they decided to launch this soft attack while real military hardware is converging on their location.
Ramping anti-Iran sentiment via false flag hacking tricks: HIGH
It's what we do, it's what the Israelis do. Proudly and loudly.
But not in this particular instance, right?
It's a test to see what you're willing to believe.
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should be recruiting Iranians...
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Easy to say, smartarse.
They want to push it far enough, there will be plenty of volunteers to enlist and take the fight to them, up close and personal. Don't think that being brown and Muslim means you're the only person to want to fight to the death to protect their culture.
Easy to say, smartarse.
They want to push it far enough, there will be plenty of volunteers to enlist and take the fight to them, up close and personal. Don't think that being brown and Muslim means you're the only person to want to fight to the death to protect their culture.
You are absolutely right, we (U.S.) would, with the right provocation, have not much problem going to war with Iran. Because, as George Carlin once said, "We're GOOD at it!" My worry for that part of the world is if Iran does one day manage to combine nucleur weapons with long range missiles, it's going to be "bad".
WWII, re: Pearl Harbor. Japan's leaders we're advised to "not wake the sleeping bear". Eventually, that worked out "bad". And I'm not trying to sound tough, or belligerent. There needs to be some sanity happening with the MiddleEast. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
... is a contradiction in terminis.
Evidence proves, otherwise it's not evidence.
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i worked at the wtc until 9/11/2001. no, really
what does this mean?
if in the year 2040 i am elected president and nuke mecca, does bin laden share responsibility?
if tomorrow i go to a mosque and yank out a gun and start murdering innocent muslims going to prayer, is my guilt somehow less?
if i make a bad video and post it on youtube insulting muhammad, is it understandable to say i am not to blame?
do you see why this ignorant shit of yours is just lame excuse making?
OF COURSE 9/11 changed my life. for one, i got fired 2 months later because of the loss of business
but if I, ME, DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING BAD AFTER THAT, then I, and I alone, share blame and responsibility
do you understand?
causality is: i hit the ball with a bat and the ball flies the other way
but human beings aren't dumb objects: they have something called morality. and without personal accountability and responsibility, when you start making lame excuses for why something i did is not actually my fault, you've completely destroyed the ability to make any moral judgments, because without personal accountability and responsibility, morality itself is impossible
it's not about what happens to you, it's about how you react. and how you react defines who you are, and has nothing, nothing at all to do with what happened to you before. unless you want to cast entire countries and peoples as eternal victims, simply because of your own stunted inability to perceive the human beings around you, and instead perceive dumb mirror reflections of yourself
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Hillary Clinton's failure to use the bully pulpit to point out that Iran is hacking our banks, jeopardizing the safety of US Citizen's money, worries me. No, I don't want a war with Iran, but hacking US banks requires a loud vocal response to provide cover for whatever bombing Obama/Romney is planning to do.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Sadly, I agree with you. I've been watching the Middle East for 30+ years with disgust and pity. Not all the people of Iran are murderous zealots. But the good people who live there refuse to stand up and stop their idiot leaders. It's like we're watching Germany in 1937. We know that it is coming, and we know we'll have to stop it, but for now we're just watching from a distance as they put themselves in a position where Israel/the US will have no other choice but to destroy them. And if we don't put the hurt on, they'll rebuild and come at us again.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
"Hackers say anti-Islam video was impetus for cyber attacks, but officials tell NBC News that Iran likely retaliating for sanctions." http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=285794
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All they had to do is decompile Stuxnet. We also afforded them a certain legitimacy-- what's good for the goose and all that...
There is some encouraging news out of Libya. Some of the good people attacked an extremist stronghold, ran off the 'bullies' responsible for the death of the embassy workers. And there were demonstrators taking to the streets with signs saying that the extremists killed a good friend of Libya.
The words from "a former official" reported in the blurb are misleading. This is a trivial attack with no real disruption and as said by another commenter, Iran behind it is just a wild guess and a tasteless one giving this country is currently threatened of an imminent attack. Only a subset of customers were annoyed and the level of annoyance was "get back to it 5 minutes later and try again". On the beginning of the month when I've just been wired my month's money, I face just that when I connect to pay the rent, but it's actually the back ends that are overloaded with maybe a million of actual people, and millions of transactions.
Fed Behind Cyber Attacks On U.S. Citizens.
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In which context, it becomes a lot less surprising and a "continuation of diplomacy by other means".
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No, it doesn't, because absolutely NO evidence has been presented.
If I have to choose between the Iranian government (as opposed to some random Iranian hackers) doing deliberate DDoS attacks on US banks - since they presumably know Pentagon doctrine has such attacks justifying a military strike on the perpetrator - and some nameless *cough, Israel, neocons,cough* propagandists touting this notion as another excuse to attack Iran, I'll back the latter. Another highly likely probability I'd be will to bet on over Iranians doing this is that Israeli hackers are doing this - AND on command of the Israeli intelligence agencies.
Ninety percent of what the IAEA has been reporting since Amano took office as its head as "evidence" of an Iranian nuclear weapons program has been exposed by former IAEA investigators such as Robert Kelley and journalists such as Gareth Porter as utterly bogus. We know from Wikileaks cables that Amano is totally in the pocket of the United States with regard to the Iranian file.
There remains ZERO evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program and almost zero evidence that they ever had even before 2003 - when every one of the 16 US intelligence agencies agree Iran stopped the "feasibility studies" they allegedly undertook prior to 2003 (because they were afraid Saddam had one.)
Until some sort of evidence is presented, I dismiss this latest as just more anti-Iran propaganda.
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