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AMD Trinity APUs Stack Up Well To Intel's Core 3
Barence writes "AMD's APUs combine processor and graphics core in the same chip. Its latest Trinity chips are more powerful than ever, thanks to current-generation Radeon graphics and the same processing cores as AMD's full-fat FX processors. They're designed to take down Intel's Core i3 chips, and the first application and gaming benchmarks are out. With a slight improvement in applications and much more so in games, they're a genuine alternative to the Core i3."
MojoKid writes with Hot Hardware's review, which also says the new AMD systems "[look] solid in gaming and multimedia benchmarks, writing "the CPU cores clock in at 3.8GHz / 4.2GHz for the A10-5800K and 3.6GHz / 3.9GHz for A8-5600K, taking into account base and maximum turbo speeds, while the graphics cores scale up to 800MHz for the top A10 chip."
AMD is finally competitive with Intel's lowest end offerings again!
Yay!
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graphics blows Intel away and what better faster cpu or slower cpu with much better video??
One down.....two to go!
graphics blows Intel away and what better faster cpu or slower cpu with much better video??
You write at about a fourth-grade level.
Do something about it.
Someone has to pay for giant ad campaigns and blue morons jumping around on tv.
Check the mirror to see who that is.
AMD has apparently forbidden testers to write about cpuperformance.
In their NDA-contract it's specified
"In previewing x86 applications, without providing hard numbers until October [something], we are hoping that you will be able to convey what is most important to the end-user which is what the experience of using the system is like. As one of the foremost evaluators of technology, you are in a unique position to draw educated comparisons and conclusions based on real-world experience with the platform,"
and
"The topics which you must be held for the October [sometime], 2012 embargo lift are
- Overclocking
- Pricing
- Non game benchmarks"
So the reviews coming out are only from sources that has decided to go along with those "guidelines". In other words, not complete, I would say extremly biased.
AMD allowed websites to publish a preview of the benchmarks before the estimated date if they only focused on graphics performance. This is an unfair move by AMD.
Read http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info for more details
(maybe in a couple of weeks you will find that AMD Trinity APUs have abysmal x86 performance compared to Intel CPUs)
Disclaimer: I own a laptop with an AMD cpu inside
Is it the official name of the Haswell packages?
Un-fucking-believable.
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So by examining the contents of the restriction list, that also tells us some things about this new AMD tech.
1) The advertised clock speed is already 115% of the safe usage speed.
2) It will cost about $2250
3) it is a very VERY specialized chip
Still consuming 140-150 watts at peak load vs intel's ~90. Good to see the graphics numbers coming up though.
The reason I highlight power is that the integrated graphics power could be a huge advantage in a low-end laptop. As long as it doesn't kill battery life.
But does it run linux worth a damn? Inquiring minds want to know. I got boned by buying an Athlon 64 L110/R690M machine for which proper Linux support was never forthcoming. Now I want to see power saving and the graphics driver work before I give AMD money for more empty promises about Linux support.
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the posts about AMD's "shitty graphics". I can pay $450 for an HP Pavilion g6 with AMD/ATI graphics and play Skyrim on it at medium detail at 800x600. Well that's a shit resolution, you say. But I didn't by the laptop to play Skyrim. It's a bonus. It looks and runs fine, and Intel integrated graphics certainly can't run it at any resolution.
it's not something or sometime it's 2nd we've known that for 2 weeks...
All prerelease info is like this, same with any reviewer who got the part for free.
What we really need is the consumer reports of computer hardware. Buy it only from normal vendors and don't advertise.
I admit, I am one of the last few ideologues in PC gaming. I would never consider AMD graphic card due to shitty drivers and I would never consider Intel CPU due to socket shenanigans. Yes, I am actually one of the rare few people who upgrades CPUs and cares about socket backwards comparability.
My current gaming rig uses Zambezi 8-core AMD CPU, still adequate but it shows its age. I am disappointed AMD hasn't come up with an upgrade, but I can wait.
My last gaming rig lasted me over 4 years and going. I started with Athlon X2 end ended with Phenom II X4. It is still in use as a media PC, and still capable of gaming.
Maybe it is dumb luck, but every AMD chip I had was running cool, overclocked well and lasted. Every Intel chip I owned didn't overclock well and had problems staying cool.
u mad bro?
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I like how the Hot Hardware video comparison has drastically different results with the Photoshop test, and shows that the video playback program was splitting modules instead of putting a pair of cores into low power.
Meth is a hell of a drug.
I am John Hurt.
However, there is very little that takes good use of multiple cores beyond two or three cores, and therefore the higher clock of the Intel line make it the winner.
I was just wondering if the quality of the video drivers has improved at all since ATI was rebranded to AMD.
ATI was notorious for how awful its video drivers were. My current laptop has a Mobility Radeon X1400. Whenever I play a video that uses Overlay, there is about a 2% chance that it will hard-freeze the system. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that on an Intel or Nvidia graphics product.
I also sometimes get system-stopping delays that are several seconds long when running 3D games, it seems to happen just before textures are created, like it has something to do with the game trying to allocate video memory.
But anyway, have ATI's drivers gotten any better?
For the last few years I have only been buying Intel hardware because it just works out of the box with all Linux distros. Is this AMD thing going to work out of the box in Linux?
No, I'm not going to take time to download and install drivers. That crap is for M$ users. Yeah, yeah, I know Intel graphics are not the fastest thing out there. Save it for someone who cares. The Intel graphics are fast enough for the games that I write and play.
Article states, "They're designed to take down Intel's Core i3 chips, and the first application and gaming benchmarks are out."
I3's are meant for basic desktop and doing your homework, not a gaming rig. So they are saying, Hey, our new chip is just as crappy at games as the I3... Brilliant marketting.
No one cares about dedicated graphics cards.... unless they play games.
Or do cuda-enabled research.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Shouldn't that be "authentic alternative"?
- Non game benchmarks"
I'm all for AMD, but the reason in the NDA is the purest of BS. Either that, or AMD doesn't think people will be using their chips for number crunching, compilation and creative tools in the "real world".
The Intel Core i3 is a dual core chip. They're comparing that to an AMD Quad core chip. Sure, AMD graphics are better than Intel - you know since they bought ATI. They better look out, Intel is now a full process node ahead of the entire industry. They might catch up in graphics performance just by widening the process gap and throwing more transistors at it.
AMD has my business forever. Until they majorly fuckup and screw me over or otherwise piss me off.
Why? No advertising. I am not constantly harassed by amd inside and related commercial and ads all over the world.
Better speed per dollar. Intel has never even tried to compete there. $100 cpu from amd will get me far more than a $100 cpu from intel.
And #1. Why intel lost my business? Sold me a chip that couldn't do math!
It made it out of the factory like that!
Thru testing!
And ended up in my machine! I went insane trying to track the problem down. That my CPU was defective never even got considered! It was unthinkable!
It all seems impossible they didn't do this on purpose!
So intel seems to have said "fuck that little end user". Well. This end user remembers.
Fuck intel.
from the 2011 Symposium on Application Accelerators in High-Performance Computing (http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2060321/)
"Depending on the benchmark, our results show that Fusion produces a 1.7 to 6.0-fold improvement in the data-transfer time, when compared to a discrete GPU. In turn, this improvement in data-transfer performance can significantly enhance application performance. For example, running a reduction benchmark on AMD Fusion with its mere 80 GPU cores improves performance by 3.5-fold over the discrete AMD Radeon HD 5870 GPU with its 1600 more powerful GPU cores."
So if your interest is in crunching lots of data, you can do it a lot more efficiently with an APU since you don't have to shuttle across the bus.
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AMD has apparently forbidden testers to write about cpuperformance.
Until October 2, when all the testers are all allowed to write about CPU performance. They can do their testing now, and write their report now, and publish on October 2, so on October 2 there will be a whole bunch of complete reports all appearing at once.
It wasn't hard for me to figure out that the date is October 2, because it was plainly stated in both the preview articles I read yesterday. I'll grant you that neither articles linked on this Slashdot story came out with the date, but you could have found it pretty easily.
The rest of your post looks pretty silly when you consider that the embargo ends on October 2. Most normal people would say that 5 days (3 business days) from now is not terribly far into the future.
And your "October [something]" just looks like a disingenuous attempt to fool us. What's your deal anyway? If you are trying to fool us, shame on you. If you are just too lazy to find the date, shame on you.
Given that you gave what appear to be quotes lifted from the NDA, with the date actually redacted, I'm going with the former. Either you are fooling us that you have seen the NDA, or you have seen the NDA and you deliberately edited out the date to try to confuse the issue somehow. Seriously man, what is your deal anyway?
The 8600 was not a "low end" card, it was a mid range card, BIG difference.
or AMD already know their chip can't compete on the x86/64 side and wins on the integrated gpu side.
Yes maybe so, but they are cheap! A commodity.
People just lighten up.
I think you're seeing conspiracy theories where none exist. The place I copied the text from had som text in Swedish there within "[]" since it at least was in the NDA at the time to not mention the date. So I just replaced that with "something" not to confuse people and I thought it important to get the news out there about AMDs shady practices.
Let me tell you something about why they do this. Most people will just see the first "reviews" (as they think). They will skip over all "this is just a preview, AMD has only allowed of game testing" and so on and at most read the conclusion or look at the graphs and be fooled, yes fooled, into thinking "wow! that's a really good processor".
Oktober 2 is far far into the future in that regard. It's like the newspapers publishing something and that "correcting" it a few days later, 99% of the people who's heard about it will beleive what they first heard.
That's we it's a shady and underhanded tactic and you AMD fanbois will cry and bitch to no end about it if Intel/Nvidia ever do the same.
Nvidia: "You can release Battlefield 3 tests@1080p, no other tests until next week"
You: "OH, MY GAWD!!! what cheeeeets!!!!1"
Me: "This is just the kind of shady tacticts AMD pulled."
Nvidia Fanbois: "Nvidia are angels. You're post is silly, everybody can just read about it next week."
I myself have an AMD trinity based laptop and I always do heavy multiplayer gaming on it. I know its performance is better than Core i3 because my friend has a core i3 and a dedicated Nvidia graphics card, but still it can't match the performance of my laptop. AMD has definitely stepped up its product line up in the lower mid range offerings.
u 12 bro?