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Report: Apple To Switch From Samsung to TSMC For ARM CPU Production

another random user writes "Apple is planning to shift production of its ARM-based microprocessors from Samsung to the Taiwanese chip-baking giant TSMC as early as next year, according to a report by the China Economic News Service (CENS). The report cites CitiGroup Global Markets analyst J.T. Hsu as saying that TSMC will be Apple's sole supplier of 20nm quad-core processors, with volume production to begin in the fourth quarter of 2013. He also noted that Apple began its 20nm chip-verfication process at TSMC in August of this year. Hsu told CENS that the future quad-core chips were intended for Apple's 'iPad, iTV and even Macbook,' turning up the heat on two rumors that have been simmering for months: that Apple is planning a move into the television market, and that an ARM-based MacBook is in the works."

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  1. No ARM MacBook by kthreadd · · Score: 2

    If it was Microsoft that could have been feasible. But I really don't see Apple making ARM laptops. They don't want confusion and x86 MacBooks and ARM iPads seams to have good distinction.

    1. Re:No ARM MacBook by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      to compete with Microsoft's Surface

      You're funny.

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    2. Re:No ARM MacBook by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a full blown laptop to compete with Microsoft's Surface

      That's not how Apple works. Their business model is to identify market segments with no competitors, enter them, hype their product until it's identified with that market segment, and then move on to the next one before the race to the bottom takes over.

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    3. Re:No ARM MacBook by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      If you like Apple or not, you have to admit they are good at making an OS that works cross different hardware platforms, and maintain their compatability.

      Microsoft couldn't even make a clean transition between 32 and 64 bit.

      If you had any experience with Linux in Sparc or PowerPC you in essence needed to recompile near everything, and you are out of luck if you have the few closed source apps.

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    4. Re:No ARM MacBook by JimCanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft couldn't even make a clean transition between 32 and 64 bit.

      Difference is Apple could release 64-bit on their terms, Microsoft is at the whims of the hardware manufacturers.

      Apple could put out the G5 series as they saw fit. Microsoft is expected to throw something together the moment the hardware becomes available.

      Plus having used XP 64-bit since it was available. Most of the issues were with incompatible drivers. With Apple that is not a problem, their is only one or two of each piece of hardware that is your entire "options" so producing a dozen drivers verses having to produce hundreds by all the hardware manufacturers.

    5. Re:No ARM MacBook by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not how Apple works. Their business model is to identify market segments with no competitors, enter them, hype their product until it's identified with that market segment,

      I guess it worked on you then since you've forgotten all these MP3 players (Creative etc.), phones (Nokia, Sony Ericsson etc.), tablets (Microsoft etc.) that was before Apple. Of course they've picked their angle of attack to find trendsetters and increase market share quick, but I'd say Apply has pushed a fair number of competitors aside. They're really not into green-fielding completely new types of products, they ambush niches and rapidly increase their size into big markets. I do agree they're looking to be the biggest player though they won't start anything where they'll be second or third fiddle.

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    6. Re:No ARM MacBook by elashish14 · · Score: 2

      You forgot to mention the part where they (attempt to) sue anyone else who dares enter the same market back out.

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  2. Well if they want ... by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well if they want to be independent from Samsung, that's the way to go of course.
    This thing is a new reaction to this trial which bothers both of us, normal people vs Apple fanboys ...
     

    1. Re:Well if they want ... by collet · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't even own a phone yet I seem morally obliged to support Android over Apple.

    2. Re:Well if they want ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're the only ones that let you run what code you want on your device without needing to get it pre-approved by the mothership? They release the source for their operating system (except for that one release where the engineers were embarrassed by it but management shoved it out the door)?

    3. Re:Well if they want ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is not a new reaction. It was confirmed last year that TSMC would be making Apple A5 chips in addition to Samsung. From a logistical standpoint does it make sense for Apple to have only one supplier of a critical component? Also 20nm is another reason to use TSMC. Samsung won't move to this size until later from what I remember.

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    4. Re:Well if they want ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google only uses its patents defensively, never attacking like Apple does. Its products compete by being better and more innovative, not through litigation.

      They are far from perfect but Apple has actually gone over to the dark side.

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    5. Re:Well if they want ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what makes you morally obliged to support an OS created by the world's biggest enemy of privacy solely for the purpose to hurt its competitors?

      You mean it has no other merits at all, that's why 60% of smartphones are Android and they're keep improving it just "to hurt its competitors"?

      This whole post is so ridiculous it doesn't even merit refuting it point by point.

      P.S: "(Score:5, Insightful)", LOL. Nice troll! I'll bookmark this shit for the next time some butthurt appleite mentions "pro-Google /. groupthink"

    6. Re:Well if they want ... by TummyX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How many people *ACTUALLY* need to run custom code tho? It keeps the iPhone mostly free of viruses or crash prone apps and the target audience for iPhone is customers not DIY hackers.

      Android is so open but yet the Jelly Bean installation base is only 1.5% after 3 months. There's a difference between "theoretically open" and actual real world practise.

      If you really want to run your own code for whatever reason (custom robot?) you can either Jailbreak or just get an enterprise license from Apple then you can run any code you want.

    7. Re:Well if they want ... by evilviper · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Competing" or even running at a loss for a while, trying to break into a market, isn't "attacking", What Apple is doing, meanwhile, IS attacking.

      And you're wrong about Android. Google is making plenty of money, and NOT from advertising. While Android proper is free, anybody who wants-in on Google's Apps (Gmail, maps, navigation, etc) and the Market / Play Store, has to get a license from Google. They're making good money from it.

      What's more, Google has no reason to use patents to attack Apple or Microsoft. Google doesn't have any lock-in on Android that would make that profitable from an advertising perspective. Anybody (see: Amazon) can change out the Google apps, and not use Google search... Some handset makers change everything to Bing, because the Microsoft money is better (though their service is unreliable), and I personally changed my Android phone to use DDG. Meanwhile, Google *does* have ample reason to aquire patents for defensive purposes, since there are concerted attacks by Apple, which Google needs to defend against to ensure the survival of Android.

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    8. Re:Well if they want ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I prefer to be treated as an adult, not as a child. I'll be responsible for security on my own device, thank you.

    9. Re:Well if they want ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you trolling or you really are that stupid?

      The iSheep/Fandroid wars aren't that fucking simple. Primarily, because there's no such thing as a "fandroid".

      The part iSheep don't get is that they are irrational and total brand loyalty to anything and everything Apple shits out, to the extent of defending to the death bad products.

      So-called 'fandroids' on the other hand, would switch from Android to Symbian, BB10, whatever (I can't be bothered listing other smartphone OS's) *tomorrow* if (by some miracle) it was BETTER than Android, and they'd ditch their Samsung for whatever, if they felt like it.

      So you see, you will always be iSheep and an easy target.

      Meanwhile, calling us 'fandroid' and 'shamstung' is like water off a duck's back to us - in fact calling us that only goes to highlight just how utterly and completely you iDrones don't get it.

      The 'war' isn't so much about a hatred of Apple, as it is a sport targetting Appletards for amusement.

    10. Re:Well if they want ... by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jelly Bean? I can't even run full ICS! Samsung is closed-source on all the drivers for my "open" Android phone. You can install ICS, but you get no video acceleration or camera - and other quirks like the face sensor and the accelerometers not working properly (or at all). It's a fun geek toy, but honestly you could load not-quite-functioning Android even on the iPhone. (To be fair, that project seems to have stalled recently.)

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    11. Re:Well if they want ... by knarf · · Score: 3, Informative

      It keeps the iPhone mostly free of viruses or crash prone apps

      FYI, apps on iOS are more crash prone than Android apps.

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    12. Re:Well if they want ... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      It keeps the iPhone mostly free of viruses or crash prone apps

      FYI, apps on iOS are more crash prone than Android apps.

      It's a headline in the form of a question - so no, they aren't.

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  3. Or they'll go Intel: Haswell processors from 10W by IYagami · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to Anandtech, Intel Core 2013 ULV processors will start from 10W

    See http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/4

    " Finally, at IDF Intel showed a demo of Haswell running the Unigen Heaven benchmark at under 8W.
    The chain of events tells us two things: 1) Intel likes to play its cards close to its chest, and 2) the sub-10W space won't be serviced by Atom exclusively.
    Intel said Haswell can scale below 10W, but it didn't provide a lower bound. It's too much to assume Haswell would go into a phone, but once you get to the 8W point and look south you open yourself up to fitting into things the size of a third generation iPad. Move to 14nm, 10nm and beyond then it becomes more feasible that you could fit this class of architecture into something even more portable."

  4. o please apple won't make a tv by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no money in TV market, most companies in the market lose money only a hand full make money. Apple knowing them would sell their tv's at 50-100% markup compared to next closest set. Only apple fanboy idiots would buy them, everyone else will say screw that and get cheaper ones that are proven to be good quality tv.

    1. Re:o please apple won't make a tv by kthreadd · · Score: 2

      I think you're right.
      But, that's what people said about Apple making phones.

  5. Cheaper Alternatives by dohzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't wait for the prices of non-Apple TVs to crash, just like the MP3 player market.
    This can only be good for the discerning consumer.

    1. Re:Cheaper Alternatives by fa2k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't hold your breath.. The TV business already has thin margins, and the display manufacturers partly make it up on smaller screens.

    2. Re:Cheaper Alternatives by ikaruga · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doubt it. The first reason AppleTVs are not popular is because home consoles even though they cost way more. The PS3 and Xbox360 can do everything the AppleTV do and much more(Bluray and DVD, real games, more digital content etc, better media streaming tools, better control interfaces and recording capabilities). The only thing I know more complete than a PS3 to hook up to a home theater setup is a custom made HTPC.
      The other reason is the bad marketing. Apple success is marketing and when they find a way to distort the reality around the appleTV, it will fly off the shelves.

  6. Re:A lesson learned by arbiter1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Show's how little apple fanboyz know. Apple been stealing others idea's for years, not exactly a new concept.

  7. Mac Pro by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dammit Apple, how about doing something on your other lines?? Mobility is nice but desktop needs improvement! Big improvement!

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    1. Re:Mac Pro by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dammit Apple, how about doing something on your other lines?? Mobility is nice but desktop needs improvement! Big improvement!

      Apple doesn't want you to use desktop computers any more because you're likely to do something besides shop.

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  8. Re:In the same way you support stalin over hitler by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    The best strategy for the USA in this situation might have been to broker a peace deal between Germany and Britain and let Hitler and Stalin destroy weaken themselves with a long war before stepping in to pick up the pieces, providing covert support to whichever side looked like losing until both empires were in shambles. They didn't, because countenancing genocide on that scale wouldn't have gone over well with the electorate in any vaguely civilised nation.

    In this situation, however, no one actually dies when the two sides 'fight', so the best strategy is to encourage them to pursue a course of mutual destruction until a non-obnoxious competitor appears (this may take a while).

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  9. ARM laptop by JanneM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, I could imagine having a 64-bit ARM Ubuntu laptop. Something fairly light-weight and long battery life, but with a number of cores (most CPU intensive stuff I actually do on my laptop is very parallelisable), plenty of memory and a largish SSD.

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  10. Re:Or they'll go Intel: Haswell processors from 10 by gsnedders · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's not really relevant, to be honest: it's still at least double the power consumption compared with Cortex-A15 SoCs (and you can be sure as hell the Intel figure is processor only, not memory, chipset, interfaces, etc.), and they idle at an order magnitude less, which is important for mobile devices.

  11. Re:A lesson learned by icebraining · · Score: 2

    At that level, nobody is actually original. There's only something resembling originality in the outskirts (technical stuff, business models, etc).

  12. Re:Or they'll go Intel: Haswell processors from 10 by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Informative

    8W is way too much for an iPad... The current iPad uses 1.5W for the processor and 2W for the screen... 8W on the processor is not gonna happen.

  13. This won't save them from Samsung/Android. by csumpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My wife just swapped her phone for a Samsung Galaxy S3. In a long time (probably since the iPhone1) I'm jealous and want one, too. The S3 looks fantastic and works great. The interface is awesome, there's no need to root it like with older Android phones.

    The patent trolling from Apple also made Google/Samsung to invent. One example is screen unlock. On the S3 you can swipe the screen anywhere and even launch apps (like email or camera) directly from the unlock screen. Better user experience with more functionality.

    In the meantime Apple had to do some catching up and they made the screen larger on the iPhone5. But instead of making the screen larger in both directions, they opted to change the aspect ratio, so now ios developers have to support yet another screen layout (at least pre-iphone5, iphone5 and ipad for a universal app). On the other hand, Android was designed from the beginning to support multiple aspect ratios, so one layout can handle it all (and no, this is not a cause of fragmentation, it's a solution to it).

    Then Apple tried to stick it to Google with dropping maps. We all know how that turned out.

    The solution is simple: Apple should stop with the patent trolling. It is biting them in the rear. Android is here to stay. They should go back to inventing and competing, otherwise they will be out-invented and out-competed. I know they are making money hand over fist, but just take a look at their stock price since iphone5 release.

    1. Re:This won't save them from Samsung/Android. by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

      I don't think patent trolling is what you think it is. Apple actually use their patents in products.

      They do use some of their patents in products, but they have a policy of patenting things not in their products. Personally using others FRAND patents and not cross licensing their own basic interface patents, has effectively worked the same way [no comeback], with the additional nastyness that the goal is not to extract as much money as possible...but to stop other companies competing with them by having the government remove them from the marketplace. Apple need to be boycotted.

  14. Re:In the same way you support stalin over hitler by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    OK, let me correct that to "before after D-day". Already in June? Reports form whom? Allied forces? Did they reach concentration camps that soon? Or the red cross?

    Well, I've found this - American press had finally got whiff of it - which reported on the exact place, nature and scale of events. However, the information had been diffusing ever since Wetzler, Vrba and others escaped from Auschwitz. Wetzler and Vrba passed their report to Hungarians, and those were unwilling to believe it for quite some time. As far as non-public information is concerned, even before that, Witold Pilecki had been sending his reports to the Brits between 1941 and 1943, but they kept dismissing them as an unreliable exaggeration. And what about this?

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  15. Re:A lesson learned by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 2

    Edisson, indeed, was a brutal leech sucking the blood and inventions of other people who worked for him. He was succesfull at that, yes, but he was not the inventor you seem to be implicating here.

  16. Re:Nope, that's only true if you're neonazi by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

    Stalin killed many, many more people than Hitler. This doesn't change the fact that both were evil.

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