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Report: Apple To Switch From Samsung to TSMC For ARM CPU Production
another random user writes "Apple is planning to shift production of its ARM-based microprocessors from Samsung to the Taiwanese chip-baking giant TSMC as early as next year, according to a report by the China Economic News Service (CENS). The report cites CitiGroup Global Markets analyst J.T. Hsu as saying that TSMC will be Apple's sole supplier of 20nm quad-core processors, with volume production to begin in the fourth quarter of 2013. He also noted that Apple began its 20nm chip-verfication process at TSMC in August of this year. Hsu told CENS that the future quad-core chips were intended for Apple's 'iPad, iTV and even Macbook,' turning up the heat on two rumors that have been simmering for months: that Apple is planning a move into the television market, and that an ARM-based MacBook is in the works."
If it was Microsoft that could have been feasible. But I really don't see Apple making ARM laptops. They don't want confusion and x86 MacBooks and ARM iPads seams to have good distinction.
Well if they want to be independent from Samsung, that's the way to go of course. ...
This thing is a new reaction to this trial which bothers both of us, normal people vs Apple fanboys
According to Anandtech, Intel Core 2013 ULV processors will start from 10W
See http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/4
" Finally, at IDF Intel showed a demo of Haswell running the Unigen Heaven benchmark at under 8W.
The chain of events tells us two things: 1) Intel likes to play its cards close to its chest, and 2) the sub-10W space won't be serviced by Atom exclusively.
Intel said Haswell can scale below 10W, but it didn't provide a lower bound. It's too much to assume Haswell would go into a phone, but once you get to the 8W point and look south you open yourself up to fitting into things the size of a third generation iPad. Move to 14nm, 10nm and beyond then it becomes more feasible that you could fit this class of architecture into something even more portable."
There is no money in TV market, most companies in the market lose money only a hand full make money. Apple knowing them would sell their tv's at 50-100% markup compared to next closest set. Only apple fanboy idiots would buy them, everyone else will say screw that and get cheaper ones that are proven to be good quality tv.
I can't wait for the prices of non-Apple TVs to crash, just like the MP3 player market.
This can only be good for the discerning consumer.
Show's how little apple fanboyz know. Apple been stealing others idea's for years, not exactly a new concept.
Dammit Apple, how about doing something on your other lines?? Mobility is nice but desktop needs improvement! Big improvement!
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
What kind of new concept has Google invented? Answer : not one.
Search : Excite
Maps : Mapquest
Webmail : loads of companies
Google+ : Facebook, MySpace
Ad supported business model : beyond being old
Google glasses : known from SciFi movies (hey, if you gSheeps celebrate Samsung for using that reference, I can use it too)
So tell me : where is the original thinking from Google? There is none.
The best strategy for the USA in this situation might have been to broker a peace deal between Germany and Britain and let Hitler and Stalin destroy weaken themselves with a long war before stepping in to pick up the pieces, providing covert support to whichever side looked like losing until both empires were in shambles. They didn't, because countenancing genocide on that scale wouldn't have gone over well with the electorate in any vaguely civilised nation.
In this situation, however, no one actually dies when the two sides 'fight', so the best strategy is to encourage them to pursue a course of mutual destruction until a non-obnoxious competitor appears (this may take a while).
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Actually, I could imagine having a 64-bit ARM Ubuntu laptop. Something fairly light-weight and long battery life, but with a number of cores (most CPU intensive stuff I actually do on my laptop is very parallelisable), plenty of memory and a largish SSD.
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That's not really relevant, to be honest: it's still at least double the power consumption compared with Cortex-A15 SoCs (and you can be sure as hell the Intel figure is processor only, not memory, chipset, interfaces, etc.), and they idle at an order magnitude less, which is important for mobile devices.
At that level, nobody is actually original. There's only something resembling originality in the outskirts (technical stuff, business models, etc).
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They didn't, because countenancing genocide on that scale wouldn't have gone over well with the electorate in any vaguely civilised nation.
As the magnitude, or even existance, of the nazi genocides were not known to anyone outside Germany until after the war, I find this reasoning dubious.
Congratulations, you just made godwin's law imply that indeed, it's wrong to favour android over iOS.
8W is way too much for an iPad... The current iPad uses 1.5W for the processor and 2W for the screen... 8W on the processor is not gonna happen.
OK, let me correct that to "before after D-day".
Already in June? Reports form whom? Allied forces? Did they reach concentration camps that soon? Or the red cross?
My wife just swapped her phone for a Samsung Galaxy S3. In a long time (probably since the iPhone1) I'm jealous and want one, too. The S3 looks fantastic and works great. The interface is awesome, there's no need to root it like with older Android phones.
The patent trolling from Apple also made Google/Samsung to invent. One example is screen unlock. On the S3 you can swipe the screen anywhere and even launch apps (like email or camera) directly from the unlock screen. Better user experience with more functionality.
In the meantime Apple had to do some catching up and they made the screen larger on the iPhone5. But instead of making the screen larger in both directions, they opted to change the aspect ratio, so now ios developers have to support yet another screen layout (at least pre-iphone5, iphone5 and ipad for a universal app). On the other hand, Android was designed from the beginning to support multiple aspect ratios, so one layout can handle it all (and no, this is not a cause of fragmentation, it's a solution to it).
Then Apple tried to stick it to Google with dropping maps. We all know how that turned out.
The solution is simple: Apple should stop with the patent trolling. It is biting them in the rear. Android is here to stay. They should go back to inventing and competing, otherwise they will be out-invented and out-competed. I know they are making money hand over fist, but just take a look at their stock price since iphone5 release.
apple should make a TV box to bad the cable co's have to much control and the satellite market is just as locked in.
Cable card is nice when it's working right but the cables co's seem to do a lot to make it hard to work so you rent there box and in some systems you need the add on SDV tuner as well.
also no VOD and must order ppv events by phone. And the lack of VOD sucks on comcast as they have cut down on the HBO HD, STARZs HD, SHOW HD and MAX HD channels and they say most of that is on VOD.
Tru2way does have VOD and all the 2way stuff but it forces the cable co Guide on you.
All vid is not going anywhere as well as the cable co want to lock you into there own all vid like boxes that can't work with your own boxes.
OK, let me correct that to "before after D-day". Already in June? Reports form whom? Allied forces? Did they reach concentration camps that soon? Or the red cross?
Well, I've found this - American press had finally got whiff of it - which reported on the exact place, nature and scale of events. However, the information had been diffusing ever since Wetzler, Vrba and others escaped from Auschwitz. Wetzler and Vrba passed their report to Hungarians, and those were unwilling to believe it for quite some time. As far as non-public information is concerned, even before that, Witold Pilecki had been sending his reports to the Brits between 1941 and 1943, but they kept dismissing them as an unreliable exaggeration. And what about this?
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Edisson, indeed, was a brutal leech sucking the blood and inventions of other people who worked for him. He was succesfull at that, yes, but he was not the inventor you seem to be implicating here.
That was quick. You just godwinned an Apple/Samsung story.
Life is not for the lazy.
TSMC sued for unreasonable pricing.
Made in Korea -> Made in Taiwan
This means they will sell cheap crap for big money. Who would buy it? Oh...
Not really sure what company you mean, but if you mean Samsung...ironically makes chips are made in Austin in the US.
If you get lucky they'll start stealing apostrophes next.
That's largely what the US did until Pearl Harbor. Even after, King was more concerned with ensuring the end of the British Empire and defeating Japan than destroying totalitarianism. Both Germany and Russia bought US goods.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
That's not really relevant, to be honest: it's still at least double the power consumption compared with Cortex-A15 SoCs (and you can be sure as hell the Intel figure is processor only, not memory, chipset, interfaces, etc.), and they idle at an order magnitude less, which is important for mobile devices.
Dont' be so quick to dismiss Intel from the race. Intel is already shipping Medfield at 2GHz which has the same peak and idle power consumption as other ARM chips. It still lags the very high end ARM chips in performance but is very competitive when compared to mid range ARM phones and chips - in terms of performance, price, power - everything.
You will soon see Clovertrail based Windows 8 tablets by the end of this month. Again, Clovertrail is able to hold its own against the top end ARM tablets, which is why so many vendors are using it.
Let's be clear - ARM is still the king when it comes to mobile phones and tablets, but while it is trying to dramatically increase processing power while slowly increasing power consumption, Intel is doing exactly the opposite - it is trying to dramatically decrease power consumption while slowly decreasing performance.
Let's also be clear about one more thing - Intel is the king when it comes to performance and sheer processing power. Even the highest end ARM chip doesn't even begin to compete with say, a mid-range Intel laptop chip.
Another thing to consider is that in most of these handheld devices, display power consumption is quickly becoming the biggest factor - CPU/GPU power consumption is a clear second - which also gives Intel a bit of an edge, along with its manufacturing superiority.
Who will meet in the middle first - is anyone's guess. All I am saying is that it is too early to count Intel out of this race. Intel is clearly worried and wants to own this space. The next couple of years will be extremely interesting.
What would make it even more interesting, is if Intel bought out a big ARM player or did a cross-licensing agreement to compete with Qualcomm.
Stalin killed many, many more people than Hitler. This doesn't change the fact that both were evil.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
For some mysterious reason, when various politicized writings (like the "Black Book of Communism") count victims, for Stalin they count everyone whose unnatural death can even remotely be linked to any government policies, or even lack thereof - for example, all people who died from starvation in the USSR during his reign. For Hitler and others, on the other hand, they only count victims of war and direct genocide, but not e.g. indirect death in a country, the infrastructure of which collapsed due to the war. A bit of a double standard there if you ask me.
Please. I have an i3 Sandy Bridge that uses les than 10W for the entire system. When its doing work, it might jump up to 23W. I had to get a smaller DC power supply to run the thing because the bigger supply would turn off for undervolt protection when I tried to power the machine on. The CPU's TDP is 35W but most of the time its barely using any power.
If you deny the Holocaust, then of course you would think that.
Nope, Hitler WAS worse than Stalin.
You would NOT favour Hitler unless you're a nutjob.
Ahh, so Hitler was worse because Jews are worth more than other people.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
It's important to remember that Stalin would intentionally starve various regions and townships.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that every single famine that had occurred in the USSR in that period was engineered.