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Surface RT vs. iPad: a Comparison
First time accepted submitter thetechblock writes "On Tuesday, with the release of pricing and pre-orders for the new Surface RT tablets, Twitter exploded with comparisons to the iPad. So, I decided to put together a little comparison chart to contrast two equivalent models." The comparison is interesting, but note the source; you can discount the conclusions of writer Jeff Blankenburg by as much as you want for his role as "developer evangelist" for Microsoft.
Wake me up when there is a review by someone that isn't on either Apple or Redmond's payroll. This was nothing more than an advertisement.
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The second works from the browser you're forced to use at work; the first you never read.
I actual bothered to click the link to the article, and all I see is a comparison of the cost of a few accessories and apps? Where's the comparison of the technical specs? How is this garbage even worth posting?
It is clear that the low resolution of the Surface tablet is going to be one of the biggest downsides. People who had a retina iPhone and a non-retina iPad complained a lot that the iPad was very blocky after using the iPhone. Now all smartphones have high DPI displays, so the low resolution of the Surface will be quite obvious.
It does win on flash storage. Of course the amount of that storage taken up by each relevant OS and required software is not considered, but it's probably not significantly different. Hopefully this will drive Apple to actually stop pissing about profiteering from including a crappy amount of flash memory in the iPad by default.
I think the best option is to wait for comprehensive reviews before deciding on which of the two to buy, if those are your two options. The ocean of cheaper smaller-screened tablets are proving to be massively popular - is there an 8" Surface?
I'm thinking the nexus line is more comparable to the surface tablet, mostly since no itunes.
I'm somewhat leery of continued support from Microsoft given their history of Plays For Sure, Zune...
All I got from this article is that once you add in the cost of the Surface's most notable feature, it costs $20 - $30 more than an equivalent iPad.
... Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish" in the mobile world?
Is this really useful? The author sure seems to have a fixed idea on who will win. Who has ever wanted to charge their phone with their iPad? Anyone? ever?
Also - he makes assertions " Some people will no doubt say that the Retina screen is worth the additional $115 you’re paying for an iPad, but I don’t think it will be the majority." This is supposed to be a comparison, not his opinion. He never bills this as "a comparison of my opinions on two devices" but as "a comparison of two devices." Some impartiality would be nice.
Yep, everyone is going to buy a 40 dollar screen cover, and 30 dollars of Office apps.
Why does the author of this article round to $115? The difference between the prices he gives is less than $110. If he's rounding to find a nice whole number why not $110? Obviously he is a shill but why on earth would he prove it so clearly in the article? Just sayin...
That 'article' is a joke - of course Surface comes out on top - when 'reviewed' by the guy who wrote the book on Windows Phone 8.
It's also funny - I recall the exact same argument over quantity vs. quality of applications back in the 80's when Apple were the underdog. Seems like MS can't change their habit of... recycling other peoples' ideas.
I also especially like the sign-off... "It’s time for all of you, my faithful readers, to tell me why I’m wrong"... well, we might if there was ANY option to comment on the page.
So, why are Slashdot running this Surface ad under the guise of an article?
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The comparison is interesting, but note the website that posted it; you can discount the biased comments as much as you want for Slashdot's role as the 'anti-Microsoft' tech news site.
I thought we were talking about tablets?
I hadn't even thought about the multiple user accounts aspect. For some reason its not being pointed out in the news much and I didn't realize the obvious on my own. I'm suddenly glad I read that article.
From the article: "It’s time for all of you, my faithful readers, to tell me why I’m wrong. If you were shopping for your first tablet today, which one would you buy?"
I like that he finished with that line and then provided no way to comment on the article.
Ok, so it's a slightly less featured version that the full x86 Office 2013, but if it means I don't have to fart around with reformatting at teh last minute in Keynote, Page and Numbers on an iPad, or any of the other feeble attempts at Office compatibility to do a presentation, then that's just fine by me. Sure I could take a laptop, but I get some good results by simply passing the tablet around.
10 years ago, people were paying £450 for a full Office software suite, so the idea of spending an equivalent amount for Office on a tablet isn't that much of a dealbreaker when you consider it.
The "Total Cost" difference in the third table is $108.97, but that's with the more expensive keyboard cover for the Surface. There's also a cheaper keyboard cover for $10 less; see the second table. Perhaps the rounding assumes that a lot of people will buy the cheaper keyboard cover. In addition, retail prices in the United States are generally quoted without sales tax. Assuming the more expensive keyboard cover and the 7% sales tax of my home state, the $108.97 price difference becomes $116.60.
OMG - don't y'all know that car salesmen (er, people) (including USED car sales, er, people) are absolutely truthful, honest and sincere when selling you an automobile - or whatever it is you're buying...??? C'mon - don't ya reckon that both Microsoft and Apple are like, ya know, totally truthful, honest and sincere when pushing their products down our throats and have only ultimately, our best interests in mind? (Where's my meds)
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The Zune like was discontinued
With the demise of both Pocket PC and Zune, what pocket-size product line does Microsoft have that isn't priced to be subsidized by a 24-month cellular voice and data contract?
You don't go to the Apple stand at your local retailer looking for a bargain, you want the perceived best and the perceived best carries a price but it is worth it. It is how Sony grew big, they were never the best or the cheapest but they had this image that for the price you got a decent piece of hardware and not some japanese crap like say Sharp. Yeah I know it doesn't make sense, people often don't.
Once price starts being used other then for reasoning that "if it costs this much, it must be good" you start competing with Samsung and Archos, the also ran display stand were all the devices are side by side with price the biggest print on the display cards. The devices are ordered by price and you go to the part of the stand that is in your range, then look towards the high end to see what you can't afford but want anyway since more expensive means better.
MS will be there, at the far end, with a logo people so far have shown zero attachement too. Of course, I know over a decade of abysmal Phone and indeed Tablet sales say nothing of the future. Haha, I just couldn't keep a straight face saying that.
The worst indication is that MS ordered only a couple of million of the device, launching just ahead of Christmas, clearly they themselves don't expect to be breaking any records.
All the perceived advantages listed in the rather ridiculous article HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE. Every generation of MS Phone has had native office support etc etc. there have been full windows (not RT/Arm which won run any of the windows programs you use on your windows desktop) tablets and they DID NOT SELL.
Meanwhile, the Tablet with no windows compatibility at all, outsells everything and the largest PC maker sells PC's without windows. Could it be, horror of horror, that people don't NEED Windows? Nah... inconceivable.
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Is this Microsoft's attack on the App Store?
"When I hear about 600,000 apps, I’m just in awe. As I’ve said many times before, however, I don’t think it’s the right number for comparison. Nobody is using more than a couple dozen applications on their device."
Even If I don't count the many games and educational apps my kid use I still see many more than a couple dozen apps that I used in the last week on my ipad.
Also I don't think hooking a mouse to a tablet is a great feature for surface. It just shows me Microsoft doesn't know how people use tablets. Perhaps they should goto a coffee shop and look at all the people using there competitors tablets. the keyboard can make sense if you type large emails or even do word processing, but I would guess most don't use physical keyboards enough to need to purchase one.
The problem with comparing the 32 GB Surface to the 32 GB iPad is that you also need to factor in how much space Windows 8 RT takes compared to iOS. My understanding is that iOS takes considerably less space.
Also, some of us are not interested in Office.
In addition, some of us are not interested in beta testing a 1.0 product that costs, at a minimum, $500. Waiting until at least version 2.0 seems wise.
Plus, let's wait to see how Windows 8 RT performs in the real world. iPad performance is already a known quantity.
Ironic that he talks about how the number of app's in the app store isn't important, yet that was Microsoft's anti-Apple marketing line for years. He says, "I believe it’s far more important to have the “right” apps," which is what the Apple advocates have always said.
The software that comes with surface isn't licensed for commercial use, so the numbers get all funky when you look at a commercial vs non-commercial user
And if he compared it to the 16GB iPad that would not have been a fair comparison because the Surface has a lot more storage. The 32GB iPad does not have 32GB of usable storage either.
The 32GB iPad has about 30GB free for data. The OS takes up only around 1GB.
So the 16GB iPad would have (to be conservative) 14 GB free for user data. That's quite a lot of space, it can hold a large number of apps/books/movies. Since a lot of people will not not need more than that, why not compare the lowest end models since the Surface only offers 6GB or so of space extra than the iPad?
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the keyboard can make sense if you type large emails or even do word processing, but I would guess most don't use physical keyboards enough to need to purchase one.
This tablet includes a copy of Microsoft Office software. Microsoft apparently thinks people who buy it for Office will use a keyboard enough.
Why would I want to buy a Windows tablet?
That's it. If they can come up with a good answer for that, they'll be able to sell them. Thus far, they haven't been able to. "Windows" itself is a negative brand name that carries a ton of baggage from crapware infested poor quality OEM PCs, and not something that makes people feel good about buying. The market tolerates Windows because it doesn't have a choice, it doesn't love Windows.
Only problem is that in the tablet space, the market *does* have a choice. There's a clear leader, and it's not Windows. Why would I want Windows instead of the market leader? A lower resolution screen and Office are not exactly compelling selling features for home users.
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At first I was going to complain about people inherently discounting information because a source was biased. Useful information can still come from biased sources.
But then I read his comparison, and he threw in "screen cover" on the iPad (NOT the smart cover or case, a separate screen cover). I know no-one who has such a thing on an iPad. The screen itself is quite durable, there's no need for some kind of plastic overlay. It seems added only to drive up the cost.
I would have even said it was fair to add an iPad keyboard cover/case instead of a smart cover to make it a more direct comparison, but adding "screen cover" is really bogus.
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One is a popular device with millions of users and thousands of software titles. Another is essentially vaporware.
Let's wait till *each* proves itself in real world before making any other "comparisons".
Does it come in brown?
Personally, I just want to see an MS advertisement where they drop the original Surface (the coffee table) on an iPad. Something like the old Bambi Meets Godzilla clip. They can then morph it into the tablet version or something.
The Sham Wow guy narrate it, "iPad?!? Check out the Surface! Bam bitch! They stuffed an entire fucking table into this bitch right hear. You're gonna need two hands to hold this mutha fucka. Can somebody get a Sham Wow and sweep that other piece of shit off my set?"
That would make me buy one
"Ever wish you could charge your phone with your iPad?"
No. I can charge my phone with my Android tablet if it weren't the stupidest suggestion I've ever heard. But it is.
Well that was a stupid post. I see now looking back he has a keyboard and a smart cover, I mistook the keyboard cost for a cover cost... the comparison seems fair (except for not comparing the 16GB model which has almost as much usable storage).
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TFA mixes Windows RT and 8 as if they were compatible, which they apparently aren't (http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/17/3514556/windows-8-vs-windows-rt-surface-confused-microsoft-store-employees).
To quote the blog: "Another thing that gives the iPad a leg up is the application ecosystem that exists for iOS devices. When I hear about 600,000 apps, I’m just in awe. As I’ve said many times before, however, I don’t think it’s the right number for comparison. Nobody is using more than a couple dozen applications on their device. "
I guess the Microsoft argument that Macs can't compete against Windows because of the installed base of apps was wrong all along?
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...as clueless as Microsoft has been with PC's as clueless they are with tablets: A tablet is a truly personal device just like an iPhone, you do not share your iPad so there are no need for multiuser functionality. We are 5 people in this household and we have 5 iPads and 4 iPhones.
Surface RT 32Gb - 20Gb user usable storage.
IPad 32Gb - 31Gb user usable storage.
Yeah, the OS counts against the device storage capacity....
He needs to add the cost of the licensing needed in order to be able to use Office for any actual work. Unless he means just for writing letters to friends/family or something ...
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If you were shopping for your first tablet today, which one would you buy?
I would buy an iPad because the MS tablet isn't out yet.
Which is odd, because it's one of the best selling points over existing tablet operating systems. Not being able to have multiple users on my Android tablet sucks.
Mostly, I think, because the tablet manufacturers want each person to buy a tablet for themselves. Got five kids? You need five tablets!
I'm sure they'd spin it well (having your own dedicated device makes it more personal, etc.) but that's the idea.
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Can we take a blog seriously when it doesn't even have a Surface RT to test?
If I didn't like the iPad then why would I even consider the Surface RT? I have a nice selection of Android tablets to choose from that actually have apps. Is this why Microsoft prefers to compare themselves to the iPad and not to Android?
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I do hope that if the Surface succeeds on some level it will be partly due to the removable storage and the peripheral support via USB.
I really like my iPad (bought a 1 when they came out, bought a 3 this summer) but I find putting content on it, regardless of the source, clumsy if the only way to do is either via wifi (through GoodReader, or other similar apps that let you load data this way) or via iTunes. Support for external storage in some manner or other would be a lot more convenient -- I could stick a dozen movies on a 64 GB usb stick or SD card and not have to worry about draining all my internal storage.
I can almost buy into the party line of no USB ports for peripherals. Almost, but not quite. I'd like to see at least allowing in-app support for USB peripherals.
It appears I've not been keeping up with current events. I just learned today that Windows RT (on the Surface) is not really Windows 8. It's a scaled down version running a scaled down version of Office and will not run Windows 8 apps. (It will run Windows RT apps, a considerably smaller selection.)
Is this scenario familiar to anyone? So, Microsoft thought it was time to dig up the moldy corpse that is the Windows CE concept, and call it new? And they thought this would put them on the map?
How about this for two equivalent models:
iPad 32GB with 2560x1536 pixels : $599
4xMicrosoft Surface 32GB tablets to yield a combined >2560x1536 pixel count : $1996
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iPad looks like a much better deal to me.
Or, how about we just compare them the way a consumer will:
cheapest iPad: $499
cheapest Microsoft Surface: $499
"The iPad has a nicer screen but the Surface comes with more storage (32GB vs. 16GB). The iPad probably works better and has more apps--decision, iPad."
Absolutely. I would much rather to delete my music and movies, or uninstall apps so that I can free up space for something new. Inserting a microSD card is just so inconvenient.
Since you ALSO have to manage storage on SD cards if you do not have an infinite supply of them, in fact it is more inconvenient since it's a separate component, easily lost.
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Except that it's no longer equivalent unless you add the same feature to the iPad which will cost at least $20-$30 for comparable quality?
No, the article ALREADY made it comparable by adding a keyboard to the initial cost, after which the Surface was $20-$30 more expensive (really a bit more since a 32 GB iPad would also have about 10GB more user storage on device which you'd have to buy an SD card for on the Surface to equal).
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One thing I don't see getting a lot of play is that there are two different versions of the Surface. On the face of it they both pretty decent and with the keyboard people should actually be able to use on to produce content. The resolution is disappointing, but as has been pointed out elsewhere Microsoft has figured out three different ways to address that issue.
The RT model is the one that just went on sale. That is your toy that is really just a windows version of an Ipad except that it can produce content. However this model has serious drawbacks if you want to use one in a professional setting. You can't load or distribute apps for the Metro interface without using a process called side loading. Side loading can't be used unless your on a domain. The RT model can't join a domain, effectively making this a burden at best to try manage (third party agents etc). You also can't use any traditional application on it as it uses the ARM processor and Microsoft has been very adamant about not allowing any backwards compatibility with x86 or x64 apps.
The Pro version can join a domain and use all the apps that a normal Windows 8 computer can use. This is the model that is meant for use on networks and for use in a professional setting. The best way to keep them straight in your head is to think back to the day when XP came in two versions. The Pro version was the one that was meant to be used for production work, the regular version was the one meant for home users. For all intents and purposes you have two very different products with the almost identical name and size.
If you have to work with them professionally you should seriously considering putting out a memo to only allow purchase of the Pro model. This of course is why the pro model is built this way, because that is where the money is.
The Surface tablet price point (base) and specifications (minus the screen, iPad, expandable memory, Surface) are comparable, if not piratically identical to the iPad. The iPad, however, has been available since March, where the surface will be available at the end of this month. What happens when Apple releases the 4th generation iPad (3/3 says March)?
Which one of them can I install Android? Srsly does anyone still wants IOs or WIndows 8?
My eyes aren't good enough to make use of the tiny fonts that would give me more screen real estate on the 9" iPad display
Even so it is easier on your eyes to read fonts at the same font size with crisper rendering. It's still useful for long-term reading.
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Apple - check
Microsoft - check
Sorry, what was the difference again?
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Actually, we've had the cure for cancer for almost a decade now.
Basically, it involves heating the cells 1 degree F internally.
That takes care of 50 percent of all human cancers.
We also have cancer-targeting ligands that allow us to provide docking receptors for targeted drug delivery, have binding tags that add phosphorescent snippets to cancer cells so we can locate any missed cancers during surgery (we actually turn out the lights and the cancer glows in the dark, it's way cool), and we have remote blood sugar measuring with wristwatch devices.
But human trials take a lot longer than you think, and we have to start with mice, which we squish flat between plates to measure cancer growth and then chop open at the end. And that makes you all squeamish. But it works.
Now .. you were saying?
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they have a Walmart now, they've totally gone over to the Dark Side.
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> Every member of my family can have their own credentials on the Surface RT, which includes their own apps, ...
This seems to be saying that each user can, or must, buy their own copy of the app.
> you’re able to turn your tablet into a laptop
No, that is wrong. It may turn into a screen/keyboard but, unlike a real laptop, you will never use one of these on your lap with the keyboard attached. The stand makes a fixed screen angle, the keyboard is a floppy attachment, it would be unstable on any soft surface and any attempt at swiping the screen would result in disaster. It is for use on desks _only_.
> you will still need to tote an additional Bluetooth keyboard around
No. Wrong. There are several keyboard/cover combination units available. Some of these have the advantage of giving a rigid attachment when required so that they _can_ be used on the lap. They are also bluetooth or USB and thus can be separate from the screen. They will also allow the screen to be used in portrait while the Surface is firmly locked to landscape only when the keyboard is in use. Not that you'd want to use Surface in portrait: 9:16 is ugly and doesn't fit any document's paper size.
I actually prefer C#/.NET for apps development. I think XCode and Objective-C are awful. Unfortunately, as an OS, Windows 8 continues to be a mess.
> Microsoft knows their users are not clueless selfish assholes
"""which includes their own apps, ..."""
Microsoft is not going to miss out, each user, it seems, will have to buy their own copies of the apps.
they're so 2008
Nothing to see here, folks.
At least, not much. Maybe the remnants of an ongoing bad childhood ;)
If Dice were to impose some sort of comment filter, this isn't how you'd hear about it.
Sorta clever, but that's charitable, and only applies to the first time. Since this isn't the first time, it doesn't.
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Tune in tomorrow for part II, where Tim Cook gives us an in-depth review of the upcoming iPad mini!
That's the sound of investors not caring....
If you want to store more photos, why don't you get a bigger SD card for your camera. At $700/64GB the iPad makes for a very expensive SD card replacement, if that's actually the role you've envisioned for it.
Nevertheless, apple offers the iPad camera connection kit for people who would like to use the iPad as you've described. My brother has the camera connection kit, but he never uses it. I think Apple offers it simply to overcome this objection at the time of sale, since once you actually have an iPad, it'll never occur to you to use it this way.
It's a lot like the keyboard dock (which Apple no longer sells) in that regard. Once you use the iPad, you really see that there's no sense attaching a keyboard to it. But there are a lot of people who think they're really clever and say "it needs a physical keyboard," that's why MS has this clever keyboard cover doohickey. They don't expect people to actually use it, but the still want to be able to sell it to people who think it needs to be a laptop because they can't wrap their brains around the concept of a tablet. It's really just a clever bit of hand-holding to help bridge legacy users such as yourself into the modern world of tablets and wireless computing.
http://www.zdnet.com/office-2013-on-windows-rt-business-as-usual-7000003594/
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Wow, modded up for outright factual errors? This is what /. has come to?
The iPad's retina display is 2048x1536, not the 25% larger 2560x1536 that you claimed. Way to pull bullshit and expect us to bite... (source: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)
That said, the new iPad's display is 3145728pixels. The Surface RT's display is 1366x768, for a total of 1049088 pixels. Three of them combined would have all of 1536 more pixels than the new iPad. If you'd claimed "3x Microsoft Surface 32GB tablets to yield the same combined resolution: $1497" you'd have, at least, been accurate.
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That is simply, factually, incorrect. Win8, including Windows RT, supports sideloading. It's free and can be enabled via a simple command in Powershell. Third-party software must be packaged as .appx bundles, but it doesn't have to be approved for distribution in the app store. In fact, one explicit use case for unlocking Windows RT devices in this manner is to allow installing corporate or other organization-internal apps.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/Hh974578.aspx
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The catch is that it will also make fine details appear blurry, which increases eye-strain as your eyes attempt to focus on an image which can't be brought into focus. This is the problem that the retina display addresses. By increasing the resolution so that fine details appear sharp, it eliminates the potential for eye-strain. No amount of technical mumbo-jumbo can achieve that, you have to actually increase the number of pixels.
As long as they continue to produce the yugo of the computer world, the snarky drivel will continue. Simple as that.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The article forgets to mention that if you're using Office to do any work, you have to pay for a commercial license. They didn't include this in their price tally. They don't compare the specs either, CPU, GPU, what wireless and cellular network types are supported, etc. They also don't compare the iPad with the x86 version of the tablet, which people would be more likely to use for work.
Would be really great if the next version of Android would support keyboards with other layouts than US English. As iOS does since ages. And I'm pretty sure that WinRT will do the same.
If you're from the US you'll scoff at that, but this alone just guarantees Surface better sales than any Android hybrid in the rest of the world.
I think both Android and iOS could use a "guest mode", possibly accessible from the lock screen, which just allows you to use all apps without their stored data (using some temporary storage for cookies, history, etc.) and erases everything as soon as someone truly unlocks the thing.
This would give you about 90% of all what you need from true multiuser capabilities with about 10% of the trouble. Most of the time you don't want or need a true user account. What you need is something that offers access to most apps in a "virgin" state without giving access to your data. A guest mode would fit that bill very nicely. At least iOS does a bit of this with the camera being accessible from the lockscreen even on a totally locked down device without giving access to the stored photos. Extend this to all apps and almost all complaints about lacking multi-user features would just evaporate.
I think a true multi-user system would open so many cans of nasty worms on what basically is an appliance that nobody with half a brain would try to implement this. What about sharing data? What about storage quotas? Do you need a superuser? But a guest mode, which would mean that you could hand over your tablet to anyone without having to fear him mangling with or looking at your data would be great and very easy to implement. And surely enough to hand over the thing to your children or your girl just to play a game or to browse the web.
So you're saying that heating cancer cells 1 degree F kills them, but doesn't kill non-cancer cells?
If so, why?
If so, why doesn't that mean that you couldn't just cause someone with cancer to get "a fever" to raise one's temperature? (If you're raising the temperature you can measure up to a couple of degrees, wouldn't that mean you're raising the entire body's temperature by at least a degree?)
Surface needs Multi-user because, on average, it's sitting around not being used so to maximise ROI it NEEDS to be a shared resource.
As for the Apple side of the universe, you can have my iPad when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
And THAT, my friend, is why Apple doesn't need a multi-user tablet.
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Long involved biochemical reason why. Basically, the easiest way to kick in the apotosis chain is to heat the internal cell temp by approx 1 F. Heating to 1 F kills circa 98 pct cancer cells and impacts 2 pct non-cancer cells. Heating to 4 F kills 100 pct but kills 20 pct non-cancer cells, which causes organ failure and terminal death for person.
Methods for doing this vary. Trials underway right now.
Science never sleeps, it just doesn't always get attention when it says stuff, cause people get distracted by useless things like football and celebrity weddings.
Good point re fevers. Note risk factors in medical science for very old or very young in running fevers. Much higher than for 20-60 yo. Sadly, cancers crop up later in life.
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I have a Windows7 phone, with which I am well pleased. My partner and I historically take a notebook with movies to watch while travelling on vacation. Surface's form factor is better adapted to our requirements than a notebook. We choose RT over Pro for better battery life and lower weight. It does exactly the things we want of it, out of the box: multimedia playback, web, mail and occasional use of Office. The limited onboard storage is irrelevant since we tend to carry the movies separately on portable hard disks - she puts what she wants to watch on her HDD and I do likewise. This doesn't affect battery life much if you copy the movie onto the notebook and unplug the drive. The "home" licence for Office doesn't worry us since our mode of use is essentially personal.
I have already ordered an RT for she who must be obeyed. I may later order a Pro for my own use, after I assess the user experience.
Go buy a Nexus and Galaxy Tab as well, and only then compare.
Why won't you include winners in your comparison?
... because the OS will take 20GB to install. So in reality you get only 12GB of user space while with the iPad you get 15GB,
MS main selling point for the Surface is the keyboard .... so selling it separately at 4 times the cost of an average bluetooth keyboard and 3 times the price of most 3rd party keyboards available for the iPad is just ridiculous.
Apart from a limited comparison on base prising, ending that section with 'OK, so we’ve addressed costs of ownership' yer, right. It goes down hill from there. Sorry, still waiting for a real comparison and not a product announcement.
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"Long involved biochemical reason why. Basically, the easiest way to kick in the apotosis chain is to heat the internal cell temp by approx 1 F. Heating to 1 F kills circa 98 pct cancer cells and impacts 2 pct non-cancer cells. Heating to 4 F kills 100 pct but kills 20 pct non-cancer cells, which causes organ failure and terminal death for person."
That is interesting but seems to be contrary to experience. A 1F change in body temperature is close to the normal diurnal variation. If a 4F rise "kills 100% cancer and 20% non-cancer cells", then a) you could cure cancer by giving people a good dose of the 'flu and b) I and many others I know shouldn't be here, having had sustained body temperatures in the order of 103F when ill at some point in their lives...
Is slashdot funded by M$? :) I see no other reason this "article" should stay in first page!
Cool stuff. I kept reading about typhoid survivors who also got rid of various solid tumors in the process.
Something bad is coming when people are suddenly anxious to tell the truth.
Reports are that the Windows RT OS on the Surface takes up 10GB of flash. That's a much larger number than the space used by iOS 6 and its preinstalled apps. So comparing versions with the same amount of storage isn't entirely fair because the Surface will have less space available to the user.
Internal cell temperature not median body temperature.
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You'd sound way more plausible to the rest of the world if you'd used metric instead of farenwhateverthatmeans.
Slashdot is a US-centric audience.
Sadly.
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I would be worse if absolutey no useful facts were provided in addition to the aritcle being biased. Oh, wait, they're weren't any useful facts provided. Score = 0.
There's a small connection kit for the iPad which allows the plugging in of SD Cards and USB devices. True, it would be nice if there'd simply been a USB port, but the functionality *is* there, and there's a couple of different file explorer programs that let you muck about with your storage space directly.
You can even use an external HDD, although a jailbreak is required.
And where did the reviewer buy his keyboard and cover, and why separately? I bought a Logitech Keyboard Case for AUD$70. It's effectively a "full size" keyboard, considering the size of the iPad, and it covers the screen with an aluminium shell when the iPad is tucked away - it doesn't latch on to the iPad but "holds" it with rubberised grip around the edges, so some people may want to use a different case.
There's a few leather ones with keyboards, but one I find most interesting is The Brydge. It attachs to the iPad like the lower half of a laptop and effectively turns the iPad into a 9" "MacBook".
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