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Pirate Bay Co-Founder In Solitary Confinement

pigrabbitbear writes "Things aren't looking awesome for Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Svartholm, who's currently under lock and key in a newly built jail about 15 minutes north of Stockholm. Svartholm's mother Kristina says that her 28-year-old son is being held in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day without any human contact other than his interactions with the guards. It's been nearly two months since Svartholm was arrested in Cambodia, where he'd been living for years, and extradited back to Sweden, where he's due to spend a year behind bars and pay a $1.1 million fine for copyright offenses related to his role at the Pirate Bay. But that's not why Sweden's being so tough on him in prison. Authorities believe he may have played a role in the hacking of Logica, a Swedish technology company with ties to the country's tax authorities. They haven't charged him with any crimes yet in that case, however."

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  1. Messed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is insane, why is a computer programmer under solitary confinement?

    1. Re:Messed up by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because information is more dangerous than violence.

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    2. Re:Messed up by bobthesungeek76036 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can you say "sending a message"? Sure, I knew you could...

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    3. Re:Messed up by Doodlesmcpooh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can hold him for a year for the Pirate Bay conviction possibly longer if they add on time for non payment of fines. However they think he was involved in hacking Logica but as yet they can't prove it. Most people break eventually in solitary and will say and do anything to get out of it. They probably plan on leaving him there for his whole sentence "for his own safety" unless he confesses.

    4. Re:Messed up by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get your point: If you want to make money on content, rip-off creators and artists with LAWYERS, not with TECHNOLOGIES.

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    5. Re:Messed up by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is insane, why is a computer programmer under solitary confinement?

      Because they can't find enough evidence to charge him with a real crime, so they just torture him instead.

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    6. Re:Messed up by blippo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's standard treatment in Sweden. If the crime is non-trivial, the attorney almost always requests solitary confinement. The reason is to prevent the accused from interfering with the criminal investigation, but I think at least partly it's done in order to break the accused, helping the interrogations.

      Sweden has been criticized by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture for this practice, but nothing seems to change.

      I'd say that I am not that proud of our judicial system right now. This practice, the not-so-competent handling of Assange, the recent turn of events relating to a convicted serial killer (Tomas Quick) being found innocent for crime after crime, after withdrawing his own confessions, and the follow-up revelations of a closed boys-club judicial system - these events makes me ashamed and worried.

      It's not necessarily attributed to malice, but it is certainly incompetence combined with the attitude among Swedish bureaucrats that the government is always right, always efficient, and certainly *never* wrong.

    7. Re:Messed up by Synerg1y · · Score: 3

      Then... please stop using netflix, itunes, amazon video & music, etc...

      Piracy was only about stealing to some, to the rest it was a way of saying I'm sick of paying $15 for a cd to hear one song 10x.

    8. Re:Messed up by helix2301 · · Score: 2

      They did the same thing to Kevin Mitnick he spend almost all of his 5 years in jail in solitary be cause "he could launch a nuclear bomb from a phone"

    9. Re:Messed up by r1348 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Basically they're giving him the Guantanamo treat.

    10. Re:Messed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Solitary confinement doesn't technically fall under 'torture', so they can leave him there for 20 years if they want, going absolutely insane due to the complete lack of stimulus. But it's not torture, oh no. It will absolutely destroy his mind, and ruin the rest of his life, but it's not torture, so it's all fine and good and legitimate.

      Isn't the legal system wonderful.

    11. Re:Messed up by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2

      It's standard treatment in Sweden. If the crime is non-trivial, the attorney almost always requests solitary confinement. The reason is to prevent the accused from interfering with the criminal investigation, but I think at least partly it's done in order to break the accused, helping the interrogations.

      As is the case with most slashdotters, he should be immune to their tricks. Better than being surrounded by frat boys and jocks (aka general population).

    12. Re:Messed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've known Kevin for years. He did not spend 5 years in solitary. He spent 8 months in solitary and it was over a dispute about whether to sign a document that, among other things, would allow them to restrict his telephone privileges (yes, there was actual concerns that he had the ability to hack the telco system - but not start a nuclear war.) He spent the vast majority of his time in general population awaiting trail.

    13. Re:Messed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't likely need to keep a person in solitary confinement to keep them from utilizing or dissemination information which could be a major threat to the world. He should at a minimum get a trail and be able to communicate with lawyers and others whom would not pass on such information. Utilizing this as a punishment is wrong. Particularly before he has been charged let alone convicted or been put in front of a judge with lawyer present.

    14. Re:Messed up by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Firstly, it's not stealing. That's logically impossible, and can only be attributed as such due to an emotional reaction to the fictitious loss of one's property arising from ignorance, in some cases willful, about how copyright and intellectual property actually works.

      Secondly, the "getting tired of paying $15" was, and is, a justification for a much larger and more serious problem.... content creators and distributors no longer needed to be compensated directly in order to receive copies, or expressions, of the intellectual property. They no longer needed to be accompanied by the licensing in accordance with the laws, or in other words, be authorized.

      I'm fucking tired of paying so much for water and gas. However, regardless of my feelings, the utility companies continue to charge those rates and I have exactly one entity to receive it from. The expense and challenge of creating my own water and gas sources are considerable.

      Once a content creator adds their contributions to the world, it is far more trivial to distribute that content in a manner in which it can be suitably consumed. MP3's and the emergence of broadband Internet connections made it possible to cheaply distribute all that content. Software which allowed "ripping" of content off CDs enabled legions of younger people to convert intellectual property from a state that required physical distribution, to one that only required the Internet and a hard drive.

      Peer to Peer communications software vastly exacerbated the problem by bringing many orders of magnitude more efficiency to the distribution process.

      There was no great intellectual movement against the content creators and distributors. It was far more simple than that:

      A) You are in a huge bazaar. Merchants are offering their wares and haggling prices. You only have $15, and this allows you to purchase one item, with restrictions on how it can transported and used.

      B) You are in an even bigger bazaar. It's a bit more dangerous, and sometimes that banana is really a penis, hiding inside the skin of a banana. However, everything is free. All it cost was the gas to get there.

      How can content creators and distributors compete with free?

      Therein lies our fundamental problem. It no longer costs nearly as much to create copies of intellectual property and distribute them. The technology and resources are widely available.

      The laws and society have simply not kept up, or have been able to adapt to our changes in technology. People, however, adapt extremely quickly. This disparity is the cause for all our strife, and the imminent destruction of free societies.

      Hyperbole? Hardly.

      The response of content creators and their uber rich distributors is not to adapt themselves to the new world and possibilities, but force the world to adapt back to them. Unfortunately, with great consequences, the only way to allow content creators the temporary control over their works (to benefit all of us, not just them) is to destroy freedom. It's the only way to effectively do it.

      That's the real nasty truth of it. People don't want to pay for shit if they don't have to do so . It takes effort, sophistication, and commitment on the part of those that have the ability to not pay, to actually pay.

      Most /.'s that claim they are paying, or are willing to pay, only do so because they understand the consequences of not even attempting to compensate the artists.

      In most cases, claiming some noble truth, or great cause is what compels you to infringe copyright, is just a lie .

    15. Re:Messed up by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Wait... is this the same country that "life in prison" for murder is 10 years?

    16. Re:Messed up by del_diablo · · Score: 2

      "Life in prison" in Scandinavia means that you are put to a reevaluation each 10 years to see if its "safe" to but you back in society. If there is no reason too, its another 10 years. The difference from life imprisonment is not really present if the case is horrible enough.

    17. Re:Messed up by unix_core · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your comment is pretty hilarious if you actually read the article or know anything about custody or prison in Sweden. Would it be better if he was thrown in a cage with other, no doubt, rather more hardened criminals?

    18. Re:Messed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "They believe he may have played a role" .

      In other words, they don't have anything on him, but they are still getting a lot of pressure from the US, so they invent an excuse to keep the public quiet.

    19. Re:Messed up by dcollins117 · · Score: 2

      Because information is more dangerous than violence.

      While I don't disagree, I think it is much more likely that he openly mocked and ridiculed his way into solitary confinement. Prison guards aren't really known to enjoy being challenged.

    20. Re:Messed up by tsa · · Score: 2

      Information does not want anything.

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    21. Re:Messed up by ipwndk · · Score: 2

      "The Swedish prison system is not generally severe. The emphasis is on humanitarian treatment of prisoners and rehabilitation. Sentences are generally short and prisoners enjoy a high material standard." ~ wikipedia

      They are torturing him. They do the same to anarchists in Scandinavia.

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    22. Re:Messed up by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      When the utility company sell me gas or water they have less gas and water and have to go and find some more, when the record companies sell me music they still have exactly the same amount of music to sell

      They have found a way of selling the same thing over and over again almost indefinitely, and people of "steal" from them are hard to find because there is nothing missing to trace ...

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    23. Re:Messed up by TheHonch · · Score: 2

      True, I spent 47 days in solitary confinement at the infamous Kronoberg then they released, no charges, and after about 6 months I got 37000SEK for the "inconvenience". They thought I had something to do with a kidnapping (I really didn't)... But the wardens were actually quite nice, I got an Xbox in my cell, unfortunately a TV remote was required to change the channel to AV, which they didn't have (they said the tweakers broke them)... But it was miserable that I couldn't speak to anyone but the lawyer, couldn't pay any bills, it was even hard to make arrangements for my cats.

    24. Re:Messed up by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      Oh my... this is the only anti-piracy post on slashdot that I can think of that's been modded up :)

      And you are right, musicians & artists can't compete with free (could this be why we barely get anymore good movies or music released or is that just me?) , however think of this situation as a seesaw, pre-piracy: there was a heavy lean towards the RIAA & musicians, pay $15-20 a cd, or don't listen to it period. Want to watch last night's episode of walking dead that you missed... buy the season. A bunch of people got onto the other side of the seesaw saying we won't give you a dime for years of fixed pricing, draconian copyright laws, and an overall disregard for the consumer. The seesaw started leveling and eventually tipped in the pirate's favor, everything was free, available and fast in tracker clouds. You'd have to be stupid to go to the store and buy media. And just as the law started catching up to the new technology, things like netflix & $1/song music came along to tip things to a relative balance. Suddenly it becomes: Why pirate this when it's on netflix, or at redbox, or on amazon... $2 for a movie or the potential of a $$$$ fine, redbox it is. So, in the history & future of media, piracy has and will always have its place.

    25. Re:Messed up by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      We are content creators and distributors too. We don't compete with free, we contribute to free. We fund ourselves with our dayjobs.

      We can't help that the tools we create and the communities we create don't support your business model. You can't compete wtih what we give away for free, so stop trying to legislate away our freedoms.

  2. hacking of Logica? by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    If so, then that would be crossing the line.

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    1. Re:hacking of Logica? by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      His booking papers only cite pirate bay activities.

      If it was because of hacking, then his paperwork damn well should say so. The fact that it doesn't means that this is nothing but an attempt to use allegations of hacking as an excuse.

      Until someone puts their ass on the line and signs a piece of paper under oath as to why he's locked up, I'm not going to believe a word they say.

    2. Re:hacking of Logica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until someone puts their ass on the line and signs a piece of paper under oath as to why he's locked up, I'm not going to believe a word they say.

      If you'll believe it afterwards, I have an affidavit stating that I own an over-water property I think you might be interested in purchasing.

    3. Re:hacking of Logica? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...a crime worthy of punishment equal to manslaughter.

      Remember, the death penalty for hacking has been seriously discussed. If such a discussion can be considered serious.

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  3. Not charged by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So a man is languishing in solitary confinement for years, not allowed visitors, and is mistreated to a degree that if he were a prisoner of war it would be considered a war crime under the Geneva convention, without being charged, given a trial, or given an opportunity to defend himself... and when this man is finally released, they'll be sending him back to jail because he enabled people to download music and movies... and he's only in that country because of the aforementioned.

    Does that seem right to you?

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    1. Re:Not charged by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's not been there for years yet. However, it seems not unreasonable to think that they're trying to "soften him up" for the Logica case. Plenty of "civilized" governments exploit the fact that the population is largely unaware of the psychological effects of extended isolation.

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    2. Re:Not charged by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what if he made millions? Does that warrant solitary confinement? What kind of bootlicking pro-authoritarian are you?

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    3. Re:Not charged by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plenty of "civilized" governments exploit the fact that the population is largely unaware of the psychological effects of extended isolation.

      Yeah, it destroys a person, utterly and completely. A few months of it a person can endure; But a year? Years? When they finally open that door, there won't be anything left but meat. The person will have long ago left. It's disgusting and inhumane. A bullet would be more compassionate.

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    4. Re:Not charged by pclminion · · Score: 2

      No, he made millions of dollars allowing other people to download music/movies/games/software that other people made and own the rights to. Oh, he was a brazen prick while he did it, too. Karma is a bitch.

      I'll agree with your sentiment when corporate leaders are held to the same standard. Wear a suit, fuck over another company or group of individuals for millions of dollars, you get solitary.

      Until then, please cram your self-righteousness directly into your ass.

    5. Re:Not charged by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, he made millions of dollars allowing other people to download music/movies/games/software that other people made and own the rights to

      Hm...made millions of dollars on creative work that other people made and have copyrights on...where have I heard that before...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

      Funny how there was no torture^H^H^H^Hsolitary confinement for the people responsible for that.

      Oh, he was a brazen prick while he did it, too

      Otherwise known as a hero:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs

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    6. Re:Not charged by Elbereth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When it comes to jail, many people will spontaneously express enthusiastic support for extreme authoritarianism, even when they'd never support it otherwise. Prisoners, by virtue of having been found guilty by a court, are safe to treat as subhuman, as far as they're concerned. It may very well be an outlet for their authoritarian tendencies, but I think it's also equally likely that they're just assholes experiencing shadenfreude.

    7. Re:Not charged by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      He's a member of the 1%. If there's anything I learned from OWS, it's that it's good for laws to be abused as long as the victims are acceptable targets.

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    8. Re:Not charged by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd think putting a hacker in general population would be worse, with all the rape, beatings and stabbings. Hackers could probably handle being alone a lot better.

      That argument is patently absurd. That's like saying when a woman gets raped, it's not as bad because they can handle it better. It doesn't matter whether someone is better or worse equipped to handle violence and mistreatment -- it's still inhumane, and the person is still damaged after. Solitary confinement is torture; It's something no civilized society should tolerate. How we treat our most vulnerable and disadvantaged citizens is the true measure our own humanity.

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    9. Re:Not charged by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Informative
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    10. Re:Not charged by camperdave · · Score: 2

      But a year? Years? When they finally open that door, there won't be anything left but meat.

      From actual prisoner of war stories, it's survivable. For example, US Senator McCain spent something like two years in solitary as a prisoner of war of North Vietnam and was imprisoned in total about five and a half years under hellish conditions.

      But when he came out he became a US Senator and tried to become President. Obviously severe mental damage and psycho-social derangement occurred.

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    11. Re:Not charged by tqk · · Score: 2

      Hackers could probably handle being alone a lot better.

      That's like saying when a woman gets raped, it's not as bad because they can handle it better.

      I usually enjoy your posts and sympathize with your POV, but that's BS. You've ignored the fact that there are many different manifestations of "solitary confinement." Sweden's sounds particularly benign. Read up on Japan's. That sounds like pure torture. I can only imagine Mexico's or Ecuador's or Syria's or Turkey's.

      A room to myself, with TV, access to the library, regular visits with family or friends, shopping for smokes or candy two times a week, ... Hell, that's like living in Mom's basement, and he doesn't even need to leave the premises to shop. Rent free! They probably even do his laundry.

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  4. anonymity is the only defense against power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    this guy offended power but didn't stay anonymous, so he was nailed

    unless you are rich and powerful expect the machinery of society to be turned against you if you ever upset the rich and powerful

    what we need is an anonymous, distributed internet

    freenet and tor are both good starts but too hard to use for normal people

    now is the time to start building it, when the regular people rely on the conveniences of the internet but don't yet feel the restrictions on their freedoms
    if there is no alternative built by the time they do feel it and look for one then we will have lost

    learn how to configure and run a freenet and tor node on an old computer in your house, throttle the bandwidth if you want to and don't run an exit node if that is scary

    but run a node, you can be part of the solution

    look at http://project-byzantium.org/ if you are feeling more adventurous

    1. Re:anonymity is the only defense against power by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      Martin Luther King, Jr., Mohandas Gandhi, and Henry David Thoreau would disagree.

      If you want to change an unjust society, somebody has to step forward with pride and dignity to defy the system. If nobody does then we know then digital pirates are just selfish freeloaders who want to watch free movies.

      If you want to be heard, stand up and be counted.

    2. Re:anonymity is the only defense against power by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In countries where honor is still... honored? Ask anyone younger than 60 in the US about honor these days and you'll get laughed at 19 times out of 20. Honesty, sure. Humility, no problem. Courage, still respected. Honor is the red headed step child.

    3. Re:anonymity is the only defense against power by del_diablo · · Score: 2

      Neither of these 3 figureheads would have gotten anything done if their opposition decided to just stomp them. And thats the problem with the idealists.

  5. Re:Solitary Confinement by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    nope, it's spite. You can't expect to piss off people giving bags of money to congresscritters without suffering for it.

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  6. The Library of Alexandria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Torrents are the modern day The Library of Alexandria.

    By law, every book and scroll was copied.

    It was critical for the development of civilization.

    A golden age lasted until the christians and muslims destroyed it.

    Don't let the plutocrats destroy our library!

  7. Assange right not to trust them by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    hard to believe anything they say after watching how the swedish government acts.

  8. I wonder if he will succumb to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... Stockholm Syndrome.

  9. Not excessive, solitary confinement is standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Solitary confinement isn't same as in US prisons. First of all he isn't in a prison where it would be strange if he was held in solitary confinement. Everyone who gets 'häktad' is held in solitary confinement or the "red" ward until the prosecutor says otherwise or he is officially charged (i.e. "förundersökningssekretess" is released).

    I've been myself confined in solitary for 2 months, where 2 weeks were voluntary. It's good times and way better than sharing a cell with some douche bags and being able to relax because the psycho in your cell is about to get a psychosis and can't take being locked in.

    In solitary confinement you get bed, PRIVACY, tv (if officially charged, or prosecutor allows i.e. after giving your sworn statement), table, toilet, water, foodstuff, books and library visit, paper and pen, access to phone (with permission of prosecutor), training room, shower, and so on. It's not the american "solitary confinement" nor is it to punish you, it's way more costly, and they try to put you into "GREEN" ward asap. After that you'll be sent to prison where there is place for you, and if you are unlucky, you get to be 3 or more in one cell.

    There is a different type of solitary confinement that I doubt Gottfried is put in, and they usually only exist in prisons and people dangerous to themselves.

    BTW, I never been to prison. Just accused of crap. Gottfried should be happy he is put in "häkte" because when he goes to prison he'll love the solitary confinement benefits. Only negative is of course that you only get to meet the wardens and a few people the prosecutor wetted before letting them see you (and they can be friends not necessarily family).

    1. Re:Not excessive, solitary confinement is standard by bug1 · · Score: 2

      I've been myself confined in solitary for 2 months

      ...

      BTW, I never been to prison. Just accused of crap.

      Its really hard for me (as an outsider) to understand how people can get locked up for 2 months just for being accused of something, and how a modern society can consider such a legal system acceptable.

      Did you get compensated for your ordeal ?

      How do you feel about the justice system after being through that ?

  10. not surprised. by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It isn't that hard to see the reason is pure vindictiveness on the part of (monied) rights holders, exercising their purchased cronies in world government.

    If you followed the press releases surrounding the pirate bay, and bothered to read their "legal threats" page before they were busted, you would know that the founders of the pirate bay frequently and bluntly told the large media companies to go fuck themselves with collapsable metal batons. (And even gave suggestions about which ones were of superior quality.)

    [No seriously. They really did.]

    This tidbit was alluded to discreetly by various media groups covering the trial, since their peers had made open complaints to the court about the group's lack of tact and seeming lack of seriousness, demanding harsher punishments. (Essentially, they didn't like being told to go fuck themselves, and wanted the court system to use 'harsher' punishments, because they were butt-hurt over it, illistrating their own lack of professionalism in the matter.)

    The outright illegal raid on PB servers, followed by the dubious cambodian extradition to sweden, and the endless trail of clearly damning evidence of government corruption in the case pretty clearly sums it up.

    Do I think the guy is a hero? Certainly not. Is he getting unfairly punished in proportion to his crimes? Oh yes, certainly. Is it due to government corruption? The evidence is pretty damning...

    What is he really guilty of that they want to punish him so severely?

    He threatened their hegemony, and was shamelessly unafrad of him. They can't stand that, and want to use him as a poster child to instill fear in people that would be like him, and flaunt their authority.

    More than anything, I'd say he is a political prisoner, on par with what the russians do routinely.

  11. Assange's reluctance by revscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And this is exactly the reason why Julian Assange is so (wisely) set against being extradited to Sweden.

  12. Dial it down a notch, MAFIAA, will you? by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could never imagine how fast will the "content industry" bring upon us a totalitarian, corporatist dystopia. The US is pushing for extradition of people who engaged in copying - not violent attacks, not murder, not kidnapping, not arms or drugs dealing, no, nothing but fucking COPYING copyrighted content.

    The only thing more alarming is the great majority of sheeple, I mean people, watching all this and going "oh well, I guess Bono's got to buy food, too". Pathetic.

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  13. The Lesson by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't fuck with big corporations.

    You get thrown in jail and the key thrown away.

    The upside-down world: a co-founder of Pirate Bay is in solitary, but the guys who stole $18 trillion in the 2007-08 economic collapse scam are running around free and using their cash to influence the US election.

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  14. Re:LOL by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 2

    To the gallows with this barbarous binarian plagiarist beast!

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  15. Violation of his human rights by jonfr · · Score: 2

    This treatment is a clear violation of his human rights. Sweden state should be sued over this treatment to ECJ. Since Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union is part of Lisbon Treaty that Sweden has agreed to. I am not sure where the first one might be sued to. But that might be European Court of Human Rights.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union

  16. Re:Real nihilists(tm) say: by dmbasso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is "they think he might have something to do with whatever", so let's punish him now.

    Due process? Nah, that's for civilized countries. Which there is none on Earth right now, and things only seem to get worse.

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  17. Re:If so... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and by using Slashdot, you have shown that you know how to use a computer to view images and web pages. Therefore, I suspect you are downloading child pornography...

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  18. Re:Real nihilists(tm) say: by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "moral" of the story is Assange is right, Sweden is the USA's bitch and they jump through the hoops like a good doggie. Think actual Swedish content was even one half of one percent of TPB? Nope but he pissed off the media cartels which along with the other megacorps own the USA so they just told their pitbulls at the state dept "Make sure they fuck him hard" and wadda ya know? that's what they are doing.

    Sigh...I remember when extradition was actually a big deal, when only murderers and organized criminals had to worry about it, but now every. country. on. the. planet. has to follow the USA's rules and jump through the hoops, because God fucking forbid our media cartels have to get with the 21st century and use new models of business, why God that would be horrible!

    Just think, if the cartels would have been in place at the turn of the 20th century you'd be forced to this very day to buy a saddle and buggywhip for every person riding in a vehicle. I mean how dare they have to change when they could just buy the laws?

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  19. Re:Real nihilists(tm) say: by cavreader · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You may want to re-evaluate your history of the late 1900's and early 20th century in regards to the existence of cartels and over bearing monopolies. It was during this time period when worker rights were non-existent and monopolies were not restricted in how they conducted their business enterprises. And stop blaming the US and let Sweden take responsibility for their own actions for a change. That is of course unless you have any proof to back up your statement.