All Five Star Trek Captains Share a Stage

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All Five Star Trek Captains Share a Stage

Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @11:22AM from the there-are-four-captains dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Just after half past seven on the evening of Friday 19th October, history was made at the Destination Star Trek London event at the capital's ExCel centre; when Captains Archer (Scott Bakula), Janeway (Kate Mulgrew), Sisko (Avery Brooks), Picard (Patrick Stewart) and James T. Kirk (William Shatner) appeared together on a European stage. This momentous event, which had occurred just once before, at the Wizard World Comic Con in Philadelphia in June, not only lived up to the expectations of fans, but exceeded them by a good light-year."

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Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:32 · Score: 1

Does he even deserve to be called a Star Trek captain?
1. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:50 · Score: 0
  
  Or Janeway? Really?
2. Re:Archer by mosb1000 · 2012-10-23 11:58 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  The trouble with Janeway was that the writers seemed to think she should fill the role of the series' primary antagonist. Also, she was a bit of a micro-manager, essentially the Jimmy Carter of starship captains.
3. Re:Archer by mark-t · 2012-10-23 11:59 · Score: 1
  
  Why not? The show lasted one more season than the original series did.
  
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4. Re:Archer by Nerdfest · 2012-10-23 12:03 · Score: 0
  
  I can't watch voyager because of her. The arrogance in her voice grates on me enough to outweigh watching 7 of 9.
5. Re:Archer by wisnoskij · 2012-10-23 12:04 · Score: 1
  
  After rewatching the series a few times, I would say yes, definitely.
  
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6. Re:Archer by hey! · 2012-10-23 12:07 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Well, can you name any other female leader roles that didn't seem arrogant to you? Excluding eye-candy actresses?
  
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7. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:12 · Score: 0
  
  At least the developers of Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force knew to put her into as little of the game as possible. Actually most of the series cast was pushed to second fiddle in terms of the plot, which was a good thing.
8. Re:Archer by PolygamousRanchKid+ · 2012-10-23 12:15 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Hmmm . . . not quite right . . .
  
  I can't watch voyager because of her. The arrogance in her voice grates on me enough to outweigh watching 36 of D.
  . . . that's better . . .
  
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9. Re:Archer by Amouth · 2012-10-23 12:18 · Score: 1
  
  that was a great game
  
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10. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:19 · Score: 0
  
  She also suffered from the Avatar effect.
  Crewmember: I studied astrophysics for twelve years and I think we should reverse the polarity of the neutron beam
  Janeway: Yes. If confurgle the finthing through the Weber-Armstrong matrix we will achiev 12 kilojoules of rubitation.
11. Re:Archer by mosb1000 · 2012-10-23 12:33 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Can you name a StarTrek captain that didn't seem arrogant to you? I'm pretty sure that's a job requirement. Providing episodes with story-lines by working against the interests of her crew, however, is not a job requirement, and it's curious they cast her in that role. It makes a situation where we're rooting against her instead of for her.
  I suppose she was meant to contrast with Sisko, who was willing to break pretty much any rule for the benefit of his crew or society in general. In one episode he collaborates with Garak, who eventually assassinates a member of the Romulan high council to bring them into the war. In the end of the episode he concludes that he'd do it again. Janeway, on the other hand, have never met a rule she didn't like. At one point she happily complies with the rules of an alien society and foregoes an opportunity to cut 50 years off of their journey! The conclusion you can draw is that following rules is only for people who hate themselves and hate everyone else.
12. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:40 · Score: 1
  
  Ok, I'll play the asshole. I liked Janeway, second only to Picard.
  She came across as an authority figure, like a captain should, without falling into the trap most writers do with "strong" female roles... just making them bitches.
  Sisko wasn't a captain like the rest and Kirk was just obnoxious, but he gets a pass for being the original. Picard is, of course, the captain.
13. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:56 · Score: 0
  
  The only female prime minister of Canada wasn't particularly arrogant, just stupid, but that goes with the territory.
14. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 13:03 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Troi was rarely arrogant, although sometimes somewhat preachy - I like that in a psychologist. She was, especially in the later seasons, among the calmer, most professionally behaved characters.
  Beverly Crusher was, for my money, the sexiest woman on TV due to her BRAINS - she kept her head cool in many instances when everyone else was going apeshit. She became my hero when she willed her hallucinations away in "Night Terrors" - that appeal to reason is one of the core values of humanistic Star Trek.
  Does the physical beauty of characters make their arguments invalid? If so you fall in the same trap as jocks do, and you should turn in your nerd card: looks, good or otherwise, do not make a person. I never felt that TNG was trying to sell itself to me via sex appeal. It simply did not need to. Voyager, on the other hand....
15. Re:Archer by SilverJets · 2012-10-23 13:04 · Score: 1
  
  Does he even deserve to be called a Star Trek captain?
  Well he's more of a Star Trek captain than COMMANDER Sisko.
16. Re:Archer by Nostromo21 · 2012-10-23 13:09 · Score: 1
  
  He's just sore that she has bigger balls than him (& most of the other ST captains! :).
  If you're looking for annoying in Voyager, you don't have to look past Neelix. Him I could have done without, or with a whole lot less.
  And Voyager is my favourite ST series. There I said it. *duck & dodge*
17. Re:Archer by Nostromo21 · 2012-10-23 13:13 · Score: 2
  
  Picard was a dweeb & well past his due date start of season 1 lol! (only time I got a sense of real authority from him was when he was Locutus, eh).
  Now Worf - he could have made a fine captain I tell ya!
18. Re:Archer by Nostromo21 · 2012-10-23 13:17 · Score: 2
  
  I SWEAR that the original concept name was 6 of 9, but was changed for obvious reasons :).
19. Re:Archer by All_One_Mind · 2012-10-23 13:23 · Score: 1
  
  He was promoted to Captain in, I think, season 5.
20. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 13:41 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Neelix is the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
21. Re:Archer by hottoh · 2012-10-23 13:48 · Score: 1
  
  Her annoying voice and otherwise being very un-captian like kept me from finishing season one.
  
  I can still here her say "Toovaakk" Ick.
22. Re:Archer by godrik · 2012-10-23 14:09 · Score: 1
  
  The trouble with Janeway was everything, from the sound of her voice, to how she was written, passing through her acting. She was the worse character of all star trek. (Yes including wesley crusher who save the enterprise 50 times in season 1 of TNG)
23. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:13 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Janeway's rule following didn't bother me. It seems to be the natural character of a woman in that sort of position of power, at least in my experience. Picard had a stick up his ass the first couple of seasons but that seems somewhat fitting for a his position too. However, he had mellowed out quite a bit by the end of TNG and was much more charismatic to me by then. Now Riker...i would hate to serve under his ass. Yeah, he was a cool, laid-back, easy-going fella most of the time but when things got tense and everyone was under pressure, he would angrily bark orders at people like they were dumbasses. Sisko was always my favorite. His temperament always seemed appropriate for whatever situation he was in (except when dealing with Picard in the pilot episode). He was smart but not cerebral. He was thoughtful and considerate but in a manly way. He is the only captain that never did or acted in a way that seemed ridiculous to me. Kirk is cool. All there is to it...except for a scene in Star Trek The Motion Picture. It was early in the movie. He told some young ensign to get out of the way like she was incompetent and took over the beam-in controls. The person being beamed-in died. He got this look on his face like "oh. i fscked up. did anybody see?" LOL other than that one scene, he was always cool-headed and wise enough to sit back, trust his people, and let them do their jobs. Archer was a likable guy but there were some instances where he suffered from Janeway-rule-following and angry temper-tantrums that just didn't seem in-line with his character and too forced. They're all great actors. The problems i have with any of them i believe stem from the writing/directing of those particular scenes...except with Riker. I think Jonathan Frakes over-did it on his own sometimes. Then again, all real characters will have their own unique quirks and flaws.
24. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:20 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Captain of the space mall? Good for him... only took five years.
25. Re:Archer by fm6 · 2012-10-23 14:22 · Score: 2
  
  I don't get the "primary antagonist" part. As for "micromanager", isn't that true of all five? If they say, "Huh, I need to spend some time actually running the ship, I'll delegate this to Ensign Reshirt" then the series lead actor has almost no screen time for that episode, and the economics of TV doesn't allow for that.
26. Re:Archer by fm6 · 2012-10-23 14:23 · Score: 1
  
  Especially the eye candy actresses.
27. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:37 · Score: 0
  
  Are you essentially the knob gobbler of commenters?
28. Re:Archer by Chrutil · 2012-10-23 14:37 · Score: 1
  
  Neelix is the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
  
  Now where's that "+1 so true" mod when you need it?
29. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:42 · Score: 0
  
  Jimmy Carter never Micro-managed... you need a new News Source FoxNews is not doing you any favors
30. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:52 · Score: 0
  
  "Enterprise" was ten times better than that 2001 a space opera bullshit hotel space station deep space 9. What a load of unbridled horse shit that was. And it was definitely better than what Voyager turned itself into. My only complaint with "Enterprise" was the lame doctor part. And I'll admit that part could have ruined it for many.
31. Re:Archer by Nostromo21 · 2012-10-23 15:03 · Score: 1
  
  Oh yes! Now, did anyone else find Kes almost as annoying by association...?
  Just started watching it from start again recently with the Mrs (for about the 7th time!). There are just so many things good/great about it, that one can overlook & forgive the necessity for a Jar Jar counterpoint in Neelix. Virtually every character is interesting & fun to watch, even if annoying at times, whereas in TNG I found half the cast annoying as hell! DS9 was ok from about season 4, but I tried going back to S1 about a year ago & nearly lost an eye! :)
  Is this an opportune time to mention the many superior qualities of B5, or...ARRRGGHHHHHhhhhh!@#$%^&*() *choke* *splutter*...---------
32. Re:Archer by Nostromo21 · 2012-10-23 15:11 · Score: 1
  
  Enterprise was watered down, sanitised crap, which is why it died the death it deserved halfway thru S4.
  Also, it's 'retro' tech, which was just like TOS/TNG tech, except in slightly older, antiquated looking wrappers, was just too hard to swallow.
  Now, T'Pol vs 7of9 - there's an argument no one is going to win! ;)
  (I agree on the doctor in Ent, especially after the masterful job Picardo did in Voyager).
  Of course, we dodged the 'Star Fleet Academy 90210' bullet with Enterprise, so perhaps we should be thankful for at least that! *shudder*
  Any news of another series on any horizon...?
33. Re:Archer by lister+king+of+smeg · 2012-10-23 15:12 · Score: 1
  
  and at the end he wasn't a captain either he changed into a weird energy being
  
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34. Re:Archer by The+Grim+Reefer · 2012-10-23 15:39 · Score: 2
  
  . Kirk is cool. All there is to it...
  I always liked Kirk. Basically in every first alien contact situation he either got into a fist fight, killed one or more, or fucked one of the (green/blue/shape shifted/whatever) women.
  
  except for a scene in Star Trek The Motion Picture. It was early in the movie. He told some young ensign to get out of the way like she was incompetent and took over the beam-in controls. The person being beamed-in died. He got this look on his face like "oh. i fscked up. did anybody see?" LOL other than that one scene, he was always cool-headed and wise enough to sit back, trust his people, and let them do their jobs..
  It's been a while since I saw that, but I thought he did it so the transporter operator didn't have to be the one to kill them. I believe the transporter operator even thanked him for it.
35. Re:Archer by Sulphur · 2012-10-23 15:48 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  I suppose she was meant to contrast with Sisko, who was willing to break pretty much any rule for the benefit of his crew or society in general. In one episode he collaborates with Garak, who eventually assassinates a member of the Romulan high council to bring them into the war. In the end of the episode he concludes that he'd do it again.
  Sisko networks then?
36. Re:Archer by The+Second+Horseman · 2012-10-23 15:54 · Score: 1
  
  Can I point out that Enterprise occurred before the point in time when the timeline changed in the Abrams film, and never interacted with events from the other series outside of a self-contained Mirror Universe story, IIRC.
  It's the only one of the series that could possibly exist in the new timeline.
37. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 16:51 · Score: 0
  
  Samantha Carter on Stargate SG-1.
38. Re:Archer by humanrev · 2012-10-23 16:57 · Score: 1
  
  "In the Pale Moonlight" was a great episode.
  
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39. Re:Archer by Jesus_666 · 2012-10-23 17:06 · Score: 2
  
  Well, I think her uncaptainness can be explained by her being completely out of her league. Her ship is absurdly far from home, half her crew had to be replaced with terrorists, she has to get everyone to get along for seventy years without shore leave and Starfleet regulations (which she had previously decided to be some tasty Kool-aid) don't really cover that. Her raging caffeine addiction doesn't really help. She's not the captain they'd hand a flagship over to but the Voyager isn't exactly a flagship, either.
  
  I think VOY's weak point was that the writing wasn't exactly of consistently good quality (especially the final episode, which is like a bad fanfic). The characters are mostly fine. They work - even Neelix, from time to time.
  
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40. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 17:22 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Shup up Wesley. Oedipus stories belong to reddit.
41. Re:Archer by sensationull · 2012-10-23 18:02 · Score: 1
  
  Good point but they did that whole big mess around with the 'Temporal Cold War' which reset a stack of stuff from before the beginning of S4 however those events still seemed referenced so the integrity of that timeline was a bit suspect too in relation to the primary timeline used in the original. There was a flashfoward in the last ep with Richer and Troy from TNG so that at least links it to a similar timeline.
42. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 18:47 · Score: 1
  
  Just because you're a weird energy being, doesn't mean you can't be a Starfleet captain.
43. Re:Archer by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:07 · Score: 1
  
  Can you name a StarTrek captain that didn't seem arrogant to you?
  Yes, and I can even think of one who was a female: the captain of the USS Enterprise-C. She was only in the one episode (TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise"), and got killed in some accident before they could send the ship back through the rift to the past, but she seemed like she would have been an interesting character to watch more of. She didn't have that horribly annoying voice that Janeway did, proving a female starship captain doesn't need to be annoying.
  There was also some black female captain in TNG "Conspiracy", named by Picard as one of "Starfleet's finest". She was only in one scene, where they met in a cave, but was also a strong female character without being annoying as hell.
44. Re:Archer by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:16 · Score: 1
  
  Any news of another series on any horizon...?
  Personally, I hope not. IMO, Star Trek went down the tubes after Gene Roddenberry died, and even before then, Berman and Braga were screwing it up. The JJ Abrams reboot wasn't all that great IMO either (though I'll admit the bridge design was pretty cool).
  I just don't have any faith that anyone would be able to make a new Star Trek series that measured up to TOS or TNG.
  Actually, I do have one idea: put it all in the hands of the guys doing Star Trek: Phase II; their episodes have been mostly excellent. But they're not Hollywood insiders so that'd never happen.
45. Re:Archer by Genda · 2012-10-23 19:40 · Score: 2
  
  Didn't the series end with Janeway breaking all the rules, committing multiple acts of insubordination, to get her crew home through the Borg nexus more than 10 years early so Tuvok wouldn't be a vegetable, 7 of 9 wouldn't die, and Chakotay wouldn't end up a broken husk of a man?
  Maybe that was the whole point of her character, the evolution from one who blindly followed rules to someone who chose to make her own rules. That and someone who put the needs of those she cared about and for above stroking her own ego. That's actually pretty cool if you think about it.
46. Re:Archer by mosb1000 · 2012-10-23 19:42 · Score: 2
  
  I hope so! I haven't seen the end yet, I'm on season 5.
47. Re:Archer by TheRaven64 · 2012-10-23 19:54 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, hey, he criticised a woman, he must be sexist! Except that a big part of what made Janeway so irritating was that lots of other science fiction shows manage to portray female leaders who actually worked as characters. The two that immediately come to mind are Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5 and Samantha Carter from Stargate SG-1. I'd be tempted to add Elisabeth Lockley from Babylon 5, but she was only in the fifth season and suffered from the fact that the backdrop was the fifth season of Babylon 5, which was about 60% filler. Delenn (also from B5) is also an obvious choice. Space Above and Beyond had Capt. Shane Vansen, their squad leader, who portrayed a female leader in a far more overtly military role, and she worked well too.
  Part of the problem with Janeway was that her character felt a bit too twentieth century: like a woman in a traditionally male role thinking she had something to prove. You'd have thought that this kind of thing would have died out by the time Enterprise is set, let alone Voyager. And, indeed, other shows managed it. Ivanova never seemed to be overcompensating: she demanded respect because she felt she'd earned it.
  
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48. Re:Archer by Genda · 2012-10-23 20:04 · Score: 1
  
  And Jar Jar is the Snirkles of Star Wars and the circle is complete.
49. Re:Archer by bickerdyke · 2012-10-23 20:05 · Score: 2
  
  but I tried going back to S1 about a year ago & nearly lost an eye! :)
  That's true for all (newer) Trek series, but on the other hand it's a sign of how much the characters (and actors) grow over the years. Compare first season Worf to DS9-Worf. That whole Klingon backstory gave him charackter depth. S1 now looks like pushing cardboard-cutouts around on the stage.
  Even worse with Voyager. You might think, each character was limited to one character trait only! Daredevil Tom Paris, Mystic-indian Chakotay, funny Neelix, stubborn B'elana and "Captain I sense something"-Kes. Oh, and Spock-copycat Tuvok. Got slightly better, but as they never could go back to a planet (boldly going forward cause we can't find reverse...) there wasn't a chance to pick up again a narrative thread and develop it into a long story arch. Random encounters with popup-Borg and funny numbered species didn't quite fill that spot.
  
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50. Re:Archer by bickerdyke · 2012-10-23 20:11 · Score: 1
  
  I remember back in the Fido net when everyone thought "get the cheese to sickbay" was the coolest movie quote ever....
  IMHO, her best scene was beeing in the tub with Q... not because of her in the tub, but rather the sheer absurdity and that she was quite calm considering that an omnipotent guy just popped up in her bathtub :-)
  
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51. Re:Archer by bickerdyke · 2012-10-23 20:13 · Score: 1
  
  Now that's what I call equal opportunity emplyer....
  
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52. Re:Archer by Genda · 2012-10-23 20:13 · Score: 1
  
  Which was fine because he almost destroyed it with nanites, lost his mom in a warp bubble, got himself killed for chasing a ball, blew up a friend and cadet in starfleet, got his ass chewed off by a shape shifting baby sitter. The kid was a one stop disaster area.
53. Re:Archer by bickerdyke · 2012-10-23 20:26 · Score: 1
  
  Also, it's 'retro' tech, which was just like TOS/TNG tech, except in slightly older, antiquated looking wrappers, was just too hard to swallow.
  That's why I'd never shoot a Science Fiction Prequel! How do you design techno-props so that it looks older than the technology forecasts from 30 years ago, but still like a "modern" vison of the future?
  There is this german SF-series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumpatrouille_%E2%80%93_Die_phantastischen_Abenteuer_des_Raumschiffes_Orion everyone has very fond memories of and would love to see a remake with more than 7 episodes (the pulp novel series had over 100 books iirc.)
  But then again - everyone remebers it for the set design, that was indeed really cool and futuristic, but was made of plastic cups, pencil sharpeners and a pressing iron! (the landing spaceship was an alka seltzer!) If you'd build a set like that nowadays, it would look absolutly crappy. but if wou would build it any other way, it wouldn't look like spaceship Orion anymore! loose-loose.
  
  Now, T'Pol vs 7of9 - there's an argument no one is going to win! ;)
  T'Pol did fan service in the pilot...
  
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54. Re:Archer by Genda · 2012-10-23 20:32 · Score: 1
  
  Jimmy pisses me off. He had the makings of a great President, honest, intelligent, morally upright, a vision of energy independence and environmental sanity and committed to service. His only mistake was hubris. He thought he was going to go into D.C. single handed and clean up the rat's nest that is Washington. In his first year he disenfranchised not only the Republicans but key members of his own party. He did it for the right reasons... he wanted to clean up the sewage, sadly there are a lot of fat happy rats in D.C. who like it just the way it is and thinking you can go in there and clean it up without first making it a blue glass ashtray, is deluded at best. Poor Jimmy got double digit inflation, obscene gas prices, gas lines and over 2 years of hostages in Iran. Now I'm not saying the whole thing was staged to make Jimmy look like an asshole, but if you consider the same half dozen or so people (all working through the oil companies, another group Jimmy pissed off) could have jerry rigged the hostage crisis through Saudi Arabia, got OPEC to put the screws to our economy by strangling oil availability and you have to admit is was just a little suspicious that the hostages came home 2 days after Reagan took office. So I think its fair to say D.C. handed him his ass. Thanks for playin' Jimmy. Y'all come back again, y'hear?
55. Re:Archer by mosb1000 · 2012-10-23 20:54 · Score: 1
  
  I'm hardly the only one who thinks he was a micromanager. Who other than a micromanager would go into a nuclear power station during a melt-down? That's not an appropriate role for the president. That's not a freak occurrence either, it was typical of his management style and it was the reason congress wasn't willing to cooperate with him past his first year or so. Read about it if you don't believe me.
56. Re:Archer by cyclomedia · 2012-10-23 20:54 · Score: 2
  
  Sisko all the way. Plus he got the best stern-telling-off (of Worf, no less) bit out of all of Star Trek:
  "As your captain, it is my duty to inform you that you made the wrong choice. I don't think Starfleet will file any formal charges -- even a secret court-martial would run the risk of revealing too much about their intelligence operations. But this will go in to your service record... and to be completely honest, you probably won't be offered a command on your own after this."
  "I understand."
  "I have also issued new orders -- you and Jadzia are not to be assigned to a mission on your own ever again... and one last thing: as a man who had a wife... if Jennifer had been lying in that clearing... I wouldn't have left her either."
  
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57. Re:Archer by klingers48 · 2012-10-23 21:26 · Score: 1
  
  This is a really good point, but to be honest I always felt Voyager did something better than any other Star Trek series: You can just pick up any random episode, sit down and enjoy it after a long day at work. No thinking required. It's a rare and really fun style of show that's completely missing from modern television.
  
  DS9 On the other hand, is my favourite show to this day. It did the whole arc-building thing and it did it really well.
  
  They're different sides of the same coin, and both fun in their own way. Nothing wrong with that.
58. Re:Archer by bickerdyke · 2012-10-23 21:44 · Score: 1
  
  Mine too. DS9 really hit that sweet spot of telling a bigger story through independent episodes. It told a single, big story, but at season-speed, not episode speed like a soap opera. The series and that story ended at the same time. It never felt like they were forced to add more drama, more conflict and more mystery just to fill the next episode. I hate it when writers franticly have to try to tie up all loose ends.
  
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59. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 22:17 · Score: 0
  
  Sisko was a Captain, he just wasn't a Starship Captain.
60. Re:Archer by RandomFactor · 2012-10-23 22:38 · Score: 2
  
  Troi---the officer on the bridge whose job it was to make sure the other officers and crew were thinking right.
  The Soviets had those too, but they called them a zampolit, not councilor.
  
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61. Re:Archer by ericloewe · 2012-10-24 01:09 · Score: 1
  
  I'm not sure Cisco has the general benefit of society in mind when doing *insert evil thing here*.
62. Re:Archer by BlackSnake112 · 2012-10-24 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  Every time she gets on my nerves I remember the episode where she evolved/devolved into that other creature an had a child with one of her crew member. I think I do this in other shows where I see her.
63. Re:Archer by geekoid · 2012-10-24 02:07 · Score: 1
  
  Beverly Crusher wasn't smart at all. She made stupid decisions all the time. The fact that SHE is considered to have brains on TV explains a lot.
  ". I never felt that TNG was trying to sell itself to me via sex appeal."
  HAHAHAHAhaha. Do you not remember the low cut crotch pointing outfit Troi has to ware for, what 4 seasons?
  To be far whoopi did suck all sex appeal out of the show~
  The characters of Troi whole reason for being created was to put someone sexy on the bridge.
  
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64. Re:Archer by geekoid · 2012-10-24 02:10 · Score: 1
  
  Because if there is one thing Star Trek takes seriously, it's continuity~
  
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65. Re:Archer by Remus+Shepherd · 2012-10-24 02:41 · Score: 1
  
  One thing to note, however, is that Janeway's crew were not all starfleet. She had a lot of terrorists and revolutionaries working under her. In that situation I would expect a captain to be even more hard-ass than usual, to maintain discipline and order.
  
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66. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 02:47 · Score: 0
  
  The territory of being Prime Minister, Canadian, or female? Or some combination of the three?
67. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 03:12 · Score: 0
  
  By eye-candy actresses you mean every single female on a Star Trek show ever?
  I'm not saying they weren't good actresses or portrayed interesting characters, but they were all beautiful.
  (YessomepeoplelikeTroismother)
68. Re:Archer by mcgrew · 2012-10-24 03:19 · Score: 1
  
  Sisko wasn't a captain like the rest
  On the contrary, not only was he promoted to Captain, he also was given Starfleet's most advanced, most powerful starship. So he wasn't just a starship captain, he also ran a large space station.
  Also, IMO Avery Brooks was the best actor who played a starship captain. Did you ever see Spencer For Hire? He played a pimp and con man, the character was the polar opposite of Sisko.
  Steward played his character in Dune pretty much the same way as he played Picard. And Shatner, well... he's no Shakespearean.
  
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69. Re:Archer by dkleinsc · 2012-10-24 04:39 · Score: 2
  
  Really, that's a better telling off than this one?
  Picard: "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based! And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform! I'm going to make this simple for you, Mr. Crusher: Either you come forward and tell Admiral Brand what really took place, or I will."
  Wesley: "Captain..."
  Picard: "Dismissed!"
  
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70. Re:Archer by epSos-de · 2012-10-24 04:54 · Score: 1
  
  Micro-manager she was, but stayed out of the kitchen as far as she could. The yellow alien had to cook everything manually and she just replicated black coffee. Great show !
  
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71. Re:Archer by kryliss · 2012-10-24 05:58 · Score: 1
  
  You do realize that Whoppi Goldberg is in that mix right? Uhg.. I'd pull my own eyes out first.....
  
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72. Re:Archer by jonadab · 2012-10-24 06:35 · Score: 1
  
  Jim "fistfights and excessive melodramatic pauses" Kirk is the one I have reservations about calling a "Star Trek Captain". He has way more in common with Riker (the First Officer who added approximately nothing to TNG) and Kira (again a first officer, and a really poor actress) than with any of the other captains. He was also just about the most poorly developed character in his series, not excepting some of the single-use villain characters. They did a little better with him in the movies, but he still doesn't live up to the standards set by the others.
  
  (I also don't like some of the things they did with Janeway in seasons six and seven, but since Kirk never made it anywhere near season six of anything, that's not a fair comparison.)
  
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73. Re:Archer by jonadab · 2012-10-24 06:54 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, they started dorking around with (i.e., fundamentally changing) Janeway's character some time in season six IIRC and then got really serious about it in season seven. It made me feel like somebody had swapped in an entirely different character. It wouldn't have been significantly weirder if they'd hired a new actress while they were at it. (Actually, it's tempting to say that the actress should've resigned and forced that, although of course that might have had serious career implications for her beyond just Star Trek, so perhaps not.)
  
  Some of the TNG characters changed similarly, but it happened so early in season one that you can pretty much just write off their behavior in the early episodes as "the writers didn't really know the characters yet".
  
  There's no such excuse with Janeway: the writers had had more than five seasons to get to know her character, so when she suddenly starts behaving as if she's been taken over by an alien intelligence, and the end of the episode comes and the crew doesn't discover this fact and fix it and get the real captain back, it's pretty jarring. This happens in several season-six episodes and then gets worse in season seven. As far as I'm concerned, it's bad writing.
  
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74. Re:Archer by RatherBeAnonymous · 2012-10-24 06:56 · Score: 2
  
  According to my wife, Avery Brooks played two characters on DS9. The first few seasons it was "Commander Cisco". Then Brooks shaved his head, grew a goatee, and played "Captain Hawk".
75. Re:Archer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 06:58 · Score: 0
  
  Sisko was the manager of a strip mall at the exit ramp of a highway. *yawn*
76. Re:Archer by IwantToKeepAnon · 2012-10-24 08:16 · Score: 1
  
  Come on, somebody mod that funny!
  
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77. Re:Archer by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-10-25 00:02 · Score: 1
  
  I dont understand why everyone thinks she's so attractive. Her, Pamela Anderson and Marilyn Monroe. It mystifies me.
  
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78. Re:Archer by thereitis · 2012-10-25 00:30 · Score: 1
  
  I couldn't disagree more. I love the character Captain Picard - Trek wouldn't be the same without him.
79. Re:Archer by mcgrew · 2012-10-25 01:15 · Score: 1
  
  No, he's right. He's referring to the Sisco in the alternate universe.
  
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Look, nothing against Star Trek... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:34 · Score: 2, Insightful

...but I think that only counts as "history" in the very loosest sense.
1. Re:Look, nothing against Star Trek... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 16:37 · Score: 0
  
  My favourite part of history being made was ... "This momentous event, which had occurred just once before"... wait, if it happened once before, then who really gives a flying ?
2. Re:Look, nothing against Star Trek... by Raumkraut · 2012-10-23 18:51 · Score: 1
  
  Patents have "on the internet" to make old things new, while geeks and nerds have "outside the US".
3. Re:Look, nothing against Star Trek... by isorox · 2012-10-23 23:15 · Score: 1
  
  My favourite part of history being made was ... "This momentous event, which had occurred just once before"... wait, if it happened once before, then who really gives a flying ?
  The PR droids have been advertising the hell out of this convention since Sunday. Articles and videos on the bbc (real news, not just the website), coverage in the independent, etc.
  There wasn't a peep about it before it happened.
  More interestingly, this was the first UK convention for 12 years.
Patrick Stewart's refusal to pose by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:34 · Score: 0

Why did Patrick Stewart refuse to pose with the others for the press photo?
1. Re:Patrick Stewart's refusal to pose by Tablizer · 2012-10-23 12:17 · Score: 1
  
  He's still afraid they're Borg
  
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2. Re:Patrick Stewart's refusal to pose by dkleinsc · 2012-10-23 12:22 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Maybe because he'll only pose with other actors? *ducks*
  
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Five? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:35 · Score: 0

There are only 2. I don't get what this whole article is talking about.
1. Re:Five? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:39 · Score: 0
  
  There are only 2. I don't get what this whole article is talking about.
  OK, one is Dylan Hunt (Kevin Sorbo), but who is the other one?
2. Re:Five? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:47 · Score: 0
  
  There are only 2. I don't get what this whole article is talking about.
  OK, one is Dylan Hunt (Kevin Sorbo), but who is the other one?
  That must be Captain Pirk (Samuli Torssonen).
Very nice. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:35 · Score: 0

Wish I could that kind of stuff on TV over here in US.
The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:36 · Score: 2, Informative

They're forgetting Jeffery Hunter and Bruce Greenwood. They were also captains of the enterprise, albeit for one episode. Some will say they don't count , but being an captain is worthy of recognition.
1. Re:The two they left behind by Stormwatch · 2012-10-23 11:41 · Score: 1
  
  Bruce Greenwood
  Nothing against him, but I'd rather pretend JJ Trek never happened.
  
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2. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:57 · Score: 0
  
  Don't forget that female gal from the Ent-C when Tasha Yar went into the past to become Sela's mother.
  I'm sure someone more Trek-nerdy than I will have her name or at least ST wiki it for us :)
3. Re:The two they left behind by yurtinus · 2012-10-23 11:59 · Score: 1
  
  Two of the five were never captains of the Enterprise...
  
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4. Re:The two they left behind by Altanar · 2012-10-23 12:52 · Score: 2
  
  Feel free. Just don't ever expect to have another pre-Abrams style Star Trek movie ever again. I don't think Paramount will ever forget that the JJ Abrams "Star Trek" is the most popular, highest grossing movie in the series. (Grossing more than First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis combined. $336m vs $385m)
5. Re:The two they left behind by AuMatar · 2012-10-23 13:03 · Score: 1
  
  I'd rather have trek dead that that abomination. It's time for some new series anyway. It was great, but it's time is past.
  
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6. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 13:04 · Score: 0, Interesting
  
  May I ask why? I've liked pretty much every Star Trek Series, though certainly not every episode or movie, and I really liked the new Star Trek movie (which I was fully prepared to hate as much as Highlander 2). I don't get why some people go all fanboi on something, nor why there's so much hate for other things that maybe aren't great, but certainly aren't travesties. I can't tell if you just dislike the movie, or really hate it, but I'm curious either way.
7. Re:The two they left behind by MachDelta · 2012-10-23 13:11 · Score: 1
  
  Out of curiosity (and at the risk of opening a huge can of worms), and as someone who has enjoyed most interpretations of Star Trek but was never moved to the point of obsession or "trekkie" status... what was wrong with that movie? I liked it a lot.
8. Re:The two they left behind by camperdave · 2012-10-23 13:21 · Score: 1
  
  I agree there. The plot could have been made a whole lot more palatable if they'd used the Guardian of Forever to "reboot" rather than red matter.
  
  The main problem is that, for some inexplicable reason, Paramount does not use Star Trek fans to make Star Trek.
  
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9. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 13:49 · Score: 2
  
  The main problem is that, for some inexplicable reason, Paramount does not use Star Trek fans to make Star Trek.
  The reason, unfortunately, is that all the fans of star trek can not bring in the same money as the current target audience does, thus trek is made for the undereducated masses that don't even care in passing about trek :/
10. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 14:19 · Score: 0
  
  i just don't like the new spock...at least, not yet. i'm waiting for the next JJ Trek movie before making my final decision.
11. Re:The two they left behind by arth1 · 2012-10-23 14:46 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  They're forgetting Jeffery Hunter and Bruce Greenwood.
  Why leave out Sean Kenney from the Pike actors?
  According to what I can find out, the full list of Enterprise captains, not counting alternate realities, cartoons, non-crewmembers like Bele, Khan, Q or Moriarty taking over, nor the 2009 travesty are:
  NCC-1701:
  Robert April: James Doohan, Gene Roddenberry
  Christopher Pike: Jeffrey Hunter, Sean Kenney, Bruce Greenwood
  James Tiberius Kirk: William Shatner
  Willard Decker: Stephen Collins
  Spock: Leonard Nimoy (mutiny)
  NCC-1701-A:
  James Tiberius Kirk: William Shatner
  NCC-1701-B:
  John Harriman: Alan Ruck
  Demora Sulu: Jacqueline Kim
  NCC-1701-C:
  Rachel Garrett: Tricia O'Neil
  Richard Castillo: Christopher McDonald
  NCC-1701-D:
  Jean-Luc Picard: Patrick Stewart
  William T. Riker: Jonathan Frakes
  Edward Jellico: Ronny Cox
  Guinan: Whoopi Goldberg
  Wesley Crusher: Wil Wheaton (mutiny)
  NCC-1701-E:
  Jean-Luc Picard: Patrick Stewart
  Honorable mention to the Enterprise OV-101 captains:
  Fred Haise: Himself
  Joseph Henry Engle: Himself
12. Re:The two they left behind by Boronx · 2012-10-23 15:18 · Score: 1
  
  It's not how they would have made it, plus giant transparent pipes filled with water, plus a planet that figured in a like, two episodes ever, got wiped out.
  
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13. Re:The two they left behind by lister+king+of+smeg · 2012-10-23 15:22 · Score: 1
  
  agreed i have watched all of the movies and all of the shows (actually didn't care for the original series as much) and while startrek (Abrams) was not the best (first contact was, fallowed by insurrection). but it definitely wasn't the worst (star trek the motion picture was)
  
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14. Re:The two they left behind by candude43 · 2012-10-23 15:50 · Score: 1
  
  They're forgetting Jeffery Hunter and Bruce Greenwood. They were also captains of the enterprise, albeit for one episode. Some will say they don't count , but being an captain is worthy of recognition.
  Also Commodore Robert April. Granted, he was a cartoon, but we shouldn't be racist about it.
15. Re:The two they left behind by Kjella · 2012-10-23 15:54 · Score: 1
  
  I agree there. The plot could have been made a whole lot more palatable if they'd used the Guardian of Forever to "reboot" rather than <shudder>red matter<shudder>.
  But using "Particle of the day" to do it is sooooooo Star Trek Canon :D
  
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16. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 16:24 · Score: 0
  
  Dont forget about Spock.
  After marooning kirk on a deserted planet and taking control of enterprise.
  Ok, he was not sanctioned by starfleet but he was still captain (for a short while)
17. Re:The two they left behind by juventasone · 2012-10-23 17:12 · Score: 1
  
  Guinan: Whoopi Goldberg
  Wesley Crusher: Wil Wheaton (mutiny)
  What episodes are you referring to? In the case of Wesley, I recall The Naked Now, but it was merely a self-proclamation. Of course, nearly every regular cast member was given command at one point or another.
18. Re:The two they left behind by AuMatar · 2012-10-23 18:19 · Score: 1
  
  Or if they hadn't done a time travel plot at all. I hate alternate history timelines. I love Next Generation- that crew no longer even exists. If you want to show a prequel of Star Trek with how the crew gets together, fine. Use new actors for the old roles. Or do a story from somewhere else in the timeline they lived. Don't rewrite the entire history and change the personalities of everyone we loved. I wouldn't want to watch a series based on that, that version of Kirk and Spock have no interest to me.
  
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19. Re:The two they left behind by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:21 · Score: 1
  
  Particle of the Week was indeed very annoying, but Red Matter was even worse (because of its vastly more potent effects; the PotWs were usually just used to detect things, not cause planets to implode into singularities). And I think we also have higher expectations of feature films than to resort to lame plot devices like this. The PotWs should have been something the writers learned from, so that they don't repeat that mistake.
20. Re:The two they left behind by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:23 · Score: 1
  
  Wrong; Star Trek V was the absolute worst. TMP was second. Generations was third. Insurrection was kinda lame, definitely not one of the best.
21. Re:The two they left behind by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:27 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sorry, being put in command of the Enterprise briefly does not make one a "captain". That's a rank that has to be officially assigned. Lots of crewmembers were put in command of the ship at some time; the Captain has to sleep sometime, after all, and sometime's he's away at some archaeological conference.
  However, Spock was himself a captain (by rank, not mutiny), in the movies, though he never had full command of a ship.
22. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 19:32 · Score: 0
  
  But using "Particle of the day" to do it is sooooooo Star Trek Canon :D
  But it's got to be phrased in treknobabble. You can't just call it Red Matter. You've got to call it quantum phased anti-leptons or something.
23. Re:The two they left behind by camperdave · 2012-10-23 19:33 · Score: 1
  
  If you want to show a prequel of Star Trek with how the crew gets together, fine. Use new actors for the old roles. Or do a story from somewhere else in the timeline they lived. Don't rewrite the entire history and change the personalities of everyone we loved.
  Yes. Excellent point. I agree whole-heartedly. Do up a Captain Pike era series or something. How about a story arc on how the Prime Directive came to be and what devastation was caused by not having it.
  
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24. Re:The two they left behind by AllyGreen · 2012-10-23 22:06 · Score: 1
  
  She was actually at the Con - just not on stage!
25. Re:The two they left behind by Blue23 · 2012-10-23 23:22 · Score: 1
  
  Or if they hadn't done a time travel plot at all. I hate alternate history timelines. I love Next Generation- that crew no longer even exists. If you want to show a prequel of Star Trek with how the crew gets together, fine. Use new actors for the old roles. Or do a story from somewhere else in the timeline they lived. Don't rewrite the entire history and change the personalities of everyone we loved. I wouldn't want to watch a series based on that, that version of Kirk and Spock have no interest to me.
  Actually, I think that's one of the beauties of the alternate time plot - ST:TNG and all the others still exist in the original timeline. There's crossover events with the baddies and Spock.
  Right now they have a way of rebooting and telling new stories while still, in canon, leaving everything else there. No other movie reboot I know did that, they all start fresh.
  
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26. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 01:06 · Score: 0
  
  Ahem... Excuse me... Spock was Captain of the Enterprise at the beginning of Star Trek II. The ship was on a training mission. Admiral Kirk and Dr McCoy were simply along for the ride. When the incident at Regula I occurred, the ship went on a 'real' mission and Admiral Kirk took command of the ship.
27. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 01:26 · Score: 0
  
  Spock was captain of the NCC-1701 after Kirk was promoted to admiral. He had full command of the ship.
  Also missing from the list is Data, who people seem to often forget was the third-in-command of the Enterprise-D. He did get command during a two-episode series where both Picard and Riker were captured by mercenaries.
28. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 01:54 · Score: 0
  
  Where the hell is CleverNickName when you need him to resolve the important debates on /.?
29. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 02:36 · Score: 0
  
  In wrath of Kahn Spock was captain of the enterprise. Kirk was there for an inspection but was officially assigned a desk job and Starfleet HQ. When the situation became troublesome he ceded command of the Enterprise to Kirk (the most senior office present)
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30. Re:The two they left behind by arth1 · 2012-10-24 03:29 · Score: 1
  
  In the case of Wesley, I already list it as mutiny (same with Spock on the old Enterprise, but for very different reasons).
  In the case of Guinan, I believe she was once the only person on the Enterprise, the others not even existing, which makes her a captain.
  This is different from being in command.
31. Re:The two they left behind by Stormwatch · 2012-10-24 03:30 · Score: 1
  
  So many flaws, check the Plinkett review for a full chewing up. But one glaring issue for me was the Kobayashi Maru test. As you may know, it's supposed to be a no-win situation: a civilian starship is stranded in the Klingon neutral zone, to attempt rescue will cause the klingons to attack, not to attempt rescue will mean their crew will die. In the novel "The Kobayashi Maru" by Julia Ecklar, Kirk reprograms the simulation so the Klingons will fear him and assist with the rescue instead of attacking; he justifies it by the fact that he expects to get such a reputation in the future. In the movie, he simply reprograms it so that the Klingon ships will lose shields and be easily destroyed. So, one is a clever hacker with a huge ego and the balls to back it up; the other just entered a cheat code.
  
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32. Re:The two they left behind by Grishnakh · 2012-10-24 04:33 · Score: 1
  
  Getting command doesn't equal being "captain". Captain is a rank that has to be conferred by Starfleet; you don't just automatically get it because the people above you are dead or missing. You only get command of the ship temporarily, in order of rank, until a higher-ranking officer can relieve you.
33. Re:The two they left behind by yurtinus · 2012-10-24 04:48 · Score: 1
  
  So *that* was the route I should have taken when I had the option in Starfleet Academy!
  
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34. Re:The two they left behind by arth1 · 2012-10-24 04:50 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sorry, being put in command of the Enterprise briefly does not make one a "captain".
  No, being put in command doesn't make you a captain, which is why I did not list all those who had been put in command of the Enterprise.
  However, commandeering does - then you assume the captaincy and its responsibilities.
  Whether it's because you're the only person on the ship, or whether it's because you've committed mutiny, or because the former captain has died, assuming the authority of the captain brings with it the accountability of the position too.
35. Re:The two they left behind by Grishnakh · 2012-10-24 06:02 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sorry, but no. Unless Starfleet Command has pinned the rank of Captain on your collar, you're not a Starfleet Captain. If you're going to list people who have assumed the position on their own, then you might as well list every other "captain" shown on the series, including every captain of alien vessels, garbage scows, Moriarty, etc.
36. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 06:58 · Score: 0
  
  Honorable mention to the Enterprise OV-101 captains:
  Fred Haise: Himself
  Joseph Henry Engle: Himself
  failing ... to resist ... pedantry:
  The Space Shuttle orbiters didn't have Captains; they were Commanders.
37. Re:The two they left behind by arth1 · 2012-10-24 07:31 · Score: 2
  
  I'm sorry, but no. Unless Starfleet Command has pinned the rank of Captain on your collar, you're not a Starfleet Captain.
  
  You misunderstood what captain is. It's not just a rank. A ship can have many officers of captain's rank, and none of them may be the ship's captain.
  Admiral James Tiberius Kirk was the captain of the Enterprise at one point. He was still the captain of the ship, not the admiral of the ship.
  This is not specific to Star Trek. Heard of "Master and Commander"? The point of stating both is that the highest ranking person isn't always the one who commands the ship.
  When you assume the position of full authority of a ship, you become its captain. Whether it's you in a canoe with your wife, or the battleship Potyomkin. The title you have is separate from that.
38. Re:The two they left behind by arth1 · 2012-10-24 07:50 · Score: 1
  
  failing ... to resist ... pedantry:
  The Space Shuttle orbiters didn't have Captains; they were Commanders.
  Like Grishnakh, you seem to confuse rank with privilege.
  Quoth Wikipedia:
  "In NASA spacecraft missions since the beginning of Project Gemini, one crew member on each spacecraft is designated as mission commander. The commander is the captain of the ship, and makes all real-time critical decisions on behalf of the crew and in coordination with the Mission Control Center (MCC)."
  Yes, they were captains of the Enterprise.
39. Re:The two they left behind by Jane+Q.+Public · 2012-10-24 10:49 · Score: 1
  
  "So, one is a clever hacker with a huge ego and the balls to back it up; the other just entered a cheat code."
  Nonsense. I mean, sure, in that story Kirk had a huge ego... but where do you get off saying the new guy doesn't? Because he blatantly cheated right in front of others, and made no pretense about it.
  
  I'd say his balls were just as big, if not necessarily his ego.
40. Re:The two they left behind by Stormwatch · 2012-10-24 12:35 · Score: 1
  
  There was cleverness in Kirk making Earth's most feared enemies crap their pants at the mention of his name; there was no cleverness in turning said enemies into sitting ducks.
  
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41. Re:The two they left behind by Jane+Q.+Public · 2012-10-24 12:51 · Score: 1
  
  "There was cleverness in Kirk making Earth's most feared enemies crap their pants at the mention of his name; there was no cleverness in turning said enemies into sitting ducks."
  Whoosh!
  
  Despite his ego, the earlier Kirk tried to hide his hacking and got caught. This one didn't bother. I suppose it's a matter of opinion which one is more "clever".
42. Re:The two they left behind by juventasone · 2012-10-24 13:43 · Score: 1
  
  In the case of Wesley, I already list it as mutiny (same with Spock on the old Enterprise, but for very different reasons).
  In the case of Guinan, I believe she was once the only person on the Enterprise, the others not even existing, which makes her a captain.
  This is different from being in command.
  Not mutiny, Wesley was intoxicated and goofing off. I don't recall Guinan being alone on the Enterprise, but Dr. Crusher was in Remember Me (seperate universe).
  In Conundrum everyone loses their memory and assumes Worf is Captain. In Night Terrors and again in Gambit, Data becomes Acting Captain.
43. Re:The two they left behind by Stormwatch · 2012-10-24 15:14 · Score: 1
  
  No, "whoosh" you! How did he try to hide anything, in both cases the simulation was clearly doing something it was not meant to. But in one case it was something clever and unique, in the other he just set the game to easy mode.
  
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44. Re:The two they left behind by Jane+Q.+Public · 2012-10-24 18:26 · Score: 1
  
  Funny.
  
  If he wasn't trying to conceal his actions, there would have been absolutely NO POINT in programming the Klingons to be afraid. He might as well just have done what the other one did.
45. Re:The two they left behind by Stormwatch · 2012-10-24 19:40 · Score: 1
  
  Either way he was blatantly cheating. The point was doing it WITH STYLE.
  
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46. Re:The two they left behind by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-10-24 23:55 · Score: 1
  
  Why include OV-101 but not NX-01?
  
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47. Re:The two they left behind by Jane+Q.+Public · 2012-10-25 05:32 · Score: 1
  
  We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
48. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-27 13:33 · Score: 0
  
  Yes. Excellent point. I agree whole-heartedly. Do up a Captain Pike era series or something.
  Wasn't that what TNG was? Pike was too cerebral, and that's why he was dumped in favor of Kirk in the first place. Roddenberry had more say in TNG, part of the reason he did it, meaning part of the reason he agreed to do it. Take Pike, add some years, subtract some hair, make him more mature and cerebral, and you have Picard.
49. Re:The two they left behind by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-27 18:41 · Score: 0
  
  Yes. Excellent point. I agree whole-heartedly. Do up a Captain Pike era series or something.
  Wasn't that what TNG was?
  Not in the slightest. Captain Pike was a pre-Kirk era. TNG is definitely well after Kirk.
"Five", not "All Five" by syntap · 2012-10-23 11:36 · Score: 1

What about Kirk from re-image, and wasn't Sulu a captain? I'm not even counting Spock, just thinking bridge captains that played major roles. Yeah Sulu didn't play a major role as a bridge captain but certainly played a rather large role up to that point.
1. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:43 · Score: 1
  
  Well, I suppose they could have said "All Five Principle Actors who played Captains in a singular Trek television series" but that's a bit mouthy, and only the mindlessly pedantic get upset over such technicalities.
  There's a lot more important things to worry about, such as comparing the number of ships in the US Navy today to the number they had after WW1.
2. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:51 · Score: 0
  
  Or comparing the number of horses the US Army has today to WW1. Only an idiot would think the number of any given vehicle in any given military over the course of the last century is a meaningful metric.
3. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Ichijo · 2012-10-23 11:52 · Score: 1
  
  Sisko didn't even have a bridge, just an operations center ("ops"). He had a bridge on the Defiant, but so did Worf in First Contact.
  
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4. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by godrik · 2012-10-23 11:54 · Score: 1
  
  Though I think Sisko had the grade of captain in the last seasons of DS9.
5. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:57 · Score: 0
  
  The comment subject is correct. If someone didn't want "any given vehicle" was a useless metric then they wouldn't write "all vehicles". Get it?
6. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Martin+Blank · 2012-10-23 12:12 · Score: 1
  
  Spock was the bridge captain in Khan, but gave up that role to Adm. Kirk when they were sent to check on Regula I. He played a major role in the story, though not as bridge captain.
  
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7. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by rtb61 · 2012-10-23 12:26 · Score: 1
  
  Did we all forget Jerk Jerk A's Ensign commander of the flag ship of star fleet, version of a Captain. From thinking from the gut big mouth bar brawler, to cheating cadet on to "saviour of the universe", 'er', Federation of Planets 'er' excluding Vulcan but hey who needed those boring logical dudes they think too much ;D.
  
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8. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:34 · Score: 0
  
  In that case, the context is clearly explaining why it's invalid to worry about a bare metric.
  Apologies if you missed the intent.
9. Re:"Five", not "All Five" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:56 · Score: 0
  
  He was promoted to Captain at the end of the third season.
When all five Star Trek captains share a stage by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:39 · Score: 0

That's October 19th.
Re:MySQL error by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:44 · Score: 1, Informative

One should not need SQL to present an article.
One only need look to google web cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.shadowlocked.com/201210222869/features/captains-log-destination-star-trek-london.html
Captain Pike? by Kittenman · 2012-10-23 11:45 · Score: 4, Informative

The one who came before Kirk in the original series pilot. Last I saw he was either cavorting with a lady in his imagination or in a bad wheelchair, going "beep beep" (no) over and over.

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1. Re:Captain Pike? by Nyder · 2012-10-23 11:50 · Score: 1
  
  The one who came before Kirk in the original series pilot. Last I saw he was either cavorting with a lady in his imagination or in a bad wheelchair, going "beep beep" (no) over and over.
  I heard he got hired for the Davros role in Doctor Who...
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros
  
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2. Re:Captain Pike? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 11:57 · Score: 0
  
  Kelsey grammar? Cameron from feris beullers day off (ent B)? Johnathon frakes?
3. Re:Captain Pike? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:23 · Score: 0
  
  Common misintrpetation, later clarified by south park years later.
  Beep,beep (yes,yes)
  Both classics i say.
4. Re:Captain Pike? by dkuntz · 2012-10-23 12:49 · Score: 2
  
  And lets not forget Rachel Garrett, captain of Enterprise C, portrayed by Tricia O'Neil...
  
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5. Re:Captain Pike? by Anubis+IV · 2012-10-23 13:56 · Score: 1
  
  Nor can we forget William Riker, played by Jonathan Frakes, who captained the Enterprise-D in one possible future.
Too Cool, but let's hope Avery Brooks... by mackil · 2012-10-23 11:54 · Score: 1

... actually shows up unlike he did in The Captains.
1. Re:Too Cool, but let's hope Avery Brooks... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:03 · Score: 0
  
  This probably gives a better idea of what you're talking about then your link. At least for those who haven't seen The Captains.
2. Re:Too Cool, but let's hope Avery Brooks... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:34 · Score: 0
  
  This event has already happened. So yes, he actually showed up.
3. Re:Too Cool, but let's hope Avery Brooks... by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2012-10-23 14:36 · Score: 1
  
  I actually enjoyed "The Captains", which happens to be streamable on Netflix if anyone is curious. Not that it qualifies as high cinema by any stretch of the imagination...
  Sure, Shatner plays Shatner - but still it was fun. I especially got a kick out of Avery Brooks turning out to be some sort of beatnik professor in real life. And Kate Mulgrew did seem capable of throwing Shatner off his game a bit.
  Plus the editing in the convention scenes sure made it look like Shatner was having a bit of fun at his own expense.
  
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Serious Question re: History by dreamchaser · 2012-10-23 12:00 · Score: 3

How is it history if it has already happened once before?
1. Re:Serious Question re: History by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:29 · Score: 1
  
  Most of History consists of things that have happened before. Recent history especially so.
2. Re:Serious Question re: History by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:41 · Score: 0
  
  It happened in the past...
3. Re:Serious Question re: History by fatphil · 2012-10-23 22:48 · Score: 1
  
  We were doomed to repeat it, so it must have been history!
  
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4. Re:Serious Question re: History by rwise2112 · 2012-10-24 01:24 · Score: 1
  
  How is it history if it has already happened once before?
  Because this is the first time it was the second time it happened.
  
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All 5? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:07 · Score: 1

Guess you forgot Jeffrey Hunter, (Cpt. Christopher Pike, original captain of the Star Trek Enterprise BEFORE they brought in that giant ham Shatner,) whomever played Cpt. Decker, who was the ship's captain at the beginning of Star Trek the Motion Picture, and Cpt. Spock, who was later, also it's captain, and commanded the ship and her crew as the regularly assigned commanding officer, (not a temporary or acting captain), not to mention anyone else I've forgotten. 5 out of 8 or more is not "ALL", so as Shatner himself once said, "Get a life!"
1. Re:All 5? by daboochmeister · 2012-10-24 02:47 · Score: 1
  
  And Riker and Laforge were captains at one point or another (albeit in the future).
  
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Deep Space 9 had a captain? by damn_registrars · 2012-10-23 12:07 · Score: 1

Why? They never went anywhere. The main thing he said would have been along the lines of

Don't go anywhere - continue to be right here!

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1. Re:Deep Space 9 had a captain? by tverbeek · 2012-10-23 12:17 · Score: 1
  
  It may surprise you to learn that "captain" is also a rank, not just a job description.
  
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2. Re:Deep Space 9 had a captain? by ceoyoyo · 2012-10-23 15:57 · Score: 1
  
  Never heard of a port captain, hey?
3. Re:Deep Space 9 had a captain? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 00:10 · Score: 0
  
  hahahahahhahaha. Thanks for the good laugh on my birthday!! lol
4. Re:Deep Space 9 had a captain? by jeremyp · 2012-10-24 00:45 · Score: 1
  
  Why? They never went anywhere. The main thing he said would have been along the lines of
  
  Warp factor 0
  FTFY
  
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5. Re:Deep Space 9 had a captain? by damn_registrars · 2012-10-24 04:03 · Score: 1
  
  Looks like someone finally realized I was making a joke. Admittedly it wasn't a great joke, but it was indeed a joke.
  
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Fab Five by Tablizer · 2012-10-23 12:15 · Score: 1

Ringo's still alive?

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Best "Deranged" Captain... by SternisheFan · 2012-10-23 12:15 · Score: 1

Am I the only one who remembers the great William Windom? Anybody? I swear, you kids today...
http://www.treknews.net/2012/08/20/william-windom-dies-at-88/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=9djuORzi9rU
1. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by camperdave · 2012-10-23 13:43 · Score: 2
  
  Um... Commodore Decker was a Commodore, not a Captain. That's why they called him Commodore.
  
  Picard should have been a Commodore. There are a couple of episodes where he is commanding a flotilla of ships.
  
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2. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by ceoyoyo · 2012-10-23 16:04 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Except for brief periods of time in the US navy, commodore has always been a temporary title, not a rank. You got to be a commodore (temporarily) if you were put in command of a group of ships and either the admiral liked you and wanted to give you a chance to wear extra gold braid, or there was some need to clearly elevate you above the other captains (for example, if one of the others was senior to you but you were supposed to be in overall command).
  So Decker would have been a captain with the title of commodore while he was commanding a task force, and IIRC Picard generally commanded multiple ships in emergencies and impromptu fleets, where he would have taken command as senior captain.
3. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by Swampash · 2012-10-23 18:48 · Score: 1
  
  My understanding of it is that "Commodore" is the title used by a visiting officer who outranks the ship's captain. Because there is only one captain on a ship and the crew can be in no doubt as to who's in charge. The Commodore may be the highest-ranking officer on board, but the captain is in charge.
4. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by geekoid · 2012-10-24 02:13 · Score: 1
  
  The Federation isn't the US Navy. It's not even close.
  
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5. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by ceoyoyo · 2012-10-24 02:35 · Score: 1
  
  The federation ranks are clearly based on British and American navies. It's reasonable to believe commodore works the same way as all the rest of the ranks. Commodore has always been a job description in the British navy. Brief periods in the US navy are the only precedent for a permanent rank of commodore.
6. Re:Best "Deranged" Captain... by ceoyoyo · 2012-10-24 03:07 · Score: 1
  
  That's another use of commodore, yes. And you don't have to be senior... any naval captain on a naval ship with a captain in command will be called commodore. If you're an army or marine captain you get the temporary title of "major."
Star Wars Icon by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:20 · Score: 0

Why is there an R2D2 icon for this story? Dafuq?
Re:MySQL error by Tablizer · 2012-10-23 12:23 · Score: 0

When you have thousands of articles, you start needing internal and external search, organization, classification, navigation, composition, and expiration-control schemes besides file trees.
Although, pre-render WCMS can often get a way with this because they "compile" the dynamic content to static pages on a periodic basis and upload to the production web server. But that has trade-offs.

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Oh My! by DragonTHC · 2012-10-23 12:32 · Score: 5, Insightful

They forgot Captain Sulu!

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1. Re:Oh My! by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 19:11 · Score: 1
  
  They forgot a bunch of captains. Off the top of my head, just from TNG:
  Captain Montgomery Scott ("Relics", probably only captain by rank)
  Captain Jellico (I think that's the name; he took over the Enterprise in one episode, was an asshole, and the crew hated him)
  two briefly-seen captains who Picard calls "Starfleet's finest" in "Conspiracy"
  the female captain of the Enterprise-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise"
  the captain of the USS Yamato
2. Re:Oh My! by Smivs · 2012-10-23 19:40 · Score: 1
  
  ..and what about Pike? The first of them all you could argue.
  
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3. Re:Oh My! by Scarletdown · 2012-10-23 19:54 · Score: 1
  
  They forgot a bunch of captains. Off the top of my head, just from TNG:
  Captain Montgomery Scott ("Relics", probably only captain by rank)
  Captain Jellico (I think that's the name; he took over the Enterprise in one episode, was an asshole, and the crew hated him)
  two briefly-seen captains who Picard calls "Starfleet's finest" in "Conspiracy"
  the female captain of the Enterprise-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise"
  the captain of the USS Yamato
  Captain Pike is another. He didn't come across as an arrogant asshole from what I can recall, except when he was mentally fighting off the Buttheads of Talos IV.
  And how about Captain April? Then again, his only on screen appearance was when he was a retired old fart. And I can't recall whether or not he assumed command when the Enterprise was having whatever crisis it was involved in during that episode.
  Captain Spock? Arrogance and assholishness would be totally un-Vulcan.
  
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4. Re:Oh My! by Grishnakh · 2012-10-23 20:07 · Score: 1
  
  Pike wasn't in TNG that I recall. I was just listing the ones I remembered from TNG, and I'm sure I missed a few, such as the captain of the supply ship that experienced rapid aging after visiting a research station doing genetic engineering which caused an epidemic which Dr. Pulaski had to solve (and somehow, this genetic engineering of children was perfectly OK even though other episodes, namely in DS9, said that genetic engineering was strictly forbidden). There was also the captain of the USS Hood that had to briefly rendezvous with the Enterprise in some episode.
  I'm sure there were a bunch of other Starfleet captains in TOS too.
5. Re:Oh My! by AllyGreen · 2012-10-23 22:01 · Score: 1
  
  Or as Martok & Gowron said 'Why aren't we invited? Are we not Captains?'
6. Re:Oh My! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 01:27 · Score: 0
  
  Martok was a general, and Gowron was a chancellor. I'd assume Martok was a captain at some point in his career; not sure about Gowron.
  At any rate, the real question is, why was the franchise ended with a sad movie by JJ Lamebrams?
  Why is there no Klingon-centric Trek series?
  Shit, there's a reason DS9 rocked. Well, there's many reasons why DS9 rocked, but high among them are the many, many Klingon-centric episodes of the Dominion War arc.
7. Re:Oh My! by jonadab · 2012-10-24 07:06 · Score: 1
  
  If you want to count characters who became captains later (after the end of their main series run and/or in a future timeline), you can add not just Sulu but also Scott and Spock and Riker and Crusher and LaForge as well, and I'm probably still leaving somebody out.
  
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the site is already /.ed by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 12:45 · Score: 0

It's not just you! http://www.shadowlocked.com looks down from here.
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.shadowlocked.com/201210222869/features/captains-log-destination-star-trek-london.html
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Trrying to create a "Geek Hole"? by MouseTheLuckyDog · 2012-10-23 13:02 · Score: 2

Trying to amass so many geek in one place that they form the critical mass of a black hole?
Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain... by BenEnglishAtHome · 2012-10-23 13:15 · Score: 3, Informative

...was Rachel Garrett (played by Tricia O'Neil), captain of the NCC-1701-C. Her decision to sacrifice her ship and crew averted all-out war with the Klingons, saved the Federation and saved billions of lives. That's a tough act to follow.
The best captain? by SuperMooCow · 2012-10-23 13:22 · Score: 1

Well, that would be the Emergency Command Hologram, of course!
Anyone who disagrees will be disintegrated by the photonic canon!
1. Re:The best captain? by colinrichardday · 2012-10-24 06:46 · Score: 1
  
  That's a laugh; there is no canon left in Star Trek!
Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by Guru80 · 2012-10-23 13:30 · Score: 0

Most important? Maybe I suppose but that's speculating on what happened after they died without knowing what would have happened had they not. A great Captain would have managed to do all that and brought crew and ship home, a little worse for wear but kicking. Sacrificing yourself is the relatively easier road here. *Not a trekky by any means so take it for what it is.
The TFA... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 13:39 · Score: 0

It's dead Jim...
No Pike? by p51d007 · 2012-10-23 13:45 · Score: 1

What happened to Christopher Pike?
1. Re:No Pike? by ceoyoyo · 2012-10-23 16:06 · Score: 1
  
  He cashed in writing pulp horror for adolescents.
Re: Abrams Style by TaoPhoenix · 2012-10-23 13:53 · Score: 1

The whole Vulcans as Lost Souls thing was completely skipped over. That is terrifying from the point of view of Trek Canon. The Vulvcans were the total Deus Ex Vulcan Fix-It when everyone was totally screwed and needed one man without iron in his blood and mind melds and all that. Now with however many of them left from a dead race, it's veering towards Star Wars and the last Jedi.
However bad the Canon got after 40-50 years, you just can't do that and pretend it's still Star Trek as normal.
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Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by Anubis+IV · 2012-10-23 14:02 · Score: 1

I seem to recall that she was killed and that a lieutenant junior grade in her command was the one who had to take the ship back in time in an act of self-sacrifice to prevent all-out war with the Klingons in the future. Pfft. Everyone knows that.
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What's CloudFlare? by Osgeld · 2012-10-23 14:55 · Score: 1

"This website uses CloudFlare in order to help keep it online when the server is down by serving cached copies of pages when they are unavailable. Unfortunately, a cached copy of the page you requested is not available, but you may be able to reach other cached pages on the site."
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Do they count? by musth · 2012-10-23 15:00 · Score: 1

Do Sisko and Janeway really count?
1. Re:Do they count? by kdemetter · 2012-10-23 16:37 · Score: 1
  
  It's fiction. Whether they count only matters in our imagination.
  
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Oh....No....! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 15:27 · Score: 0

Website.....appears.....to......be....down, Spock.
KHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Janeway by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 16:08 · Score: 0

She was not willing (mostly) to put her crew's happiness over the rule of law - which was a conscious decision to make sure they would survive in the Delta quadrant. There was never a guarantee they would reach home, whether they shaved off 50 years or not. They were in non-federation territory with no backup whatsoever and needed to rely on not pissing people off and making allies (I know it's an alien sentiment for certain people), which would be harder if not impossible if you ignore other local civilizations' rules. This point was made several times throughout the series, sad so many seem to have missed it and would have instead preferred a guns-blazing Cowboy Janeway.
1. Re:Janeway by BlackSnake112 · 2012-10-24 01:44 · Score: 1
  
  If I remember right she did change in the final episodes. A future version of Janeway anyway. The future version came back in time switched places with current Janeway and went to the borg. Future Janeway had something in her that when scanned messed up the borg. I do not remember all the details. BUt that was the most rule breaking I remember Janeway doing.
Grammar. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-23 16:22 · Score: 0

This article title neatly illustrates the value of commas!
For your convenience by wonkey_monkey · 2012-10-23 20:05 · Score: 1

In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion... In my opinion...
There. Take those and scatter them into the posts in this thread to stop yourself imploding.

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1. Re:For your convenience by davewoods · 2012-10-26 02:57 · Score: 1
  
  I wrote a big rant, but I decided not to post it. I feel better, thanks for your post!
A momentus event indeed by DrXym · 2012-10-23 20:17 · Score: 2

5 actors, doubtless paid large sums of money, appear together on stage for the second time in the space of 4 months. It's of earth shattering importance.
1. Re:A momentus event indeed by ChunderDownunder · 2012-10-23 22:52 · Score: 1
  
  Hehe. After the Apple product announcement, it really has been a slow news day!
2. Re:A momentus event indeed by moeinvt · 2012-10-24 00:40 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, come on. With all the bad and otherwise depressing news stories around these days, we need a sci-fi break every now and again.
  Sure, the story wasn't a big deal, but the comments were interesting.
3. Re:A momentus event indeed by geekoid · 2012-10-24 02:15 · Score: 1
  
  This isn't Sci-Fi. It's actors getting paid to stand on stage.
  
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Light-years of expectation? by wonkey_monkey · 2012-10-23 20:21 · Score: 1

not only lived up to the expectations of fans, but exceeded them by a good light-year.
Since when has expectation been measured in units of distance? Clearly the author meant "space-percent."

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1. Re:Light-years of expectation? by davewoods · 2012-10-26 02:59 · Score: 1
  
  Yea, the unit was all off. I think they meant Space Football Fields. Or maybe Space LOCs?
Captain Pike by Taco+Cowboy · 2012-10-23 20:37 · Score: 3, Informative

For the young uns ....
There was another Captain in the Star Trek series - Captain Pike - played by Jeffrey Hunter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Pike_(Star_Trek)

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momentous event by 2fuf · 2012-10-23 20:51 · Score: 1

and the only thing they come up with is a crummy little thumbnail for a pic?!
IYHO... by grahamlord86 · 2012-10-23 21:54 · Score: 1

"...but exceeded them by a good light-year."
Not for everyone. My mate was there, and he (along with a lot of other attendees) found it to be a shameless money making event.
He paid a high price to get in, only to find that EVERYTHING costs money.
Want a photo with a star? You have to pay for that.
Want to shake their hand? Pay.
Want an autograph? Pay.
Want to take photos of the event to share? My mate overheard staff telling a fan to put his camera away or they'd hit him over the head with it.
There's a facebook group ( http://www.facebook.com/groups/379887832087126/?fref=ts ) of disgruntled fans.
Now obviously the sponsors were out to make money, but I think a lot of fans were expecting a convention, where you pay your money and then get an organic grass-roots experience with all the stars Wasn't the case here.
5 Captains plus one by bursch-X · 2012-10-23 23:47 · Score: 1

Actually there was another captain involved: John Barrowman of "Captain Jack Harkness" (Torchwood, Docto Who) fame being the host made my day

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movie captain by geoffaus · 2012-10-24 00:11 · Score: 1

Was Chris Pine invited?

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1. Re:movie captain by geekoid · 2012-10-24 02:16 · Score: 1
  
  *BEEP*
  
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Re:MySQL error by Tarlus · 2012-10-24 03:23 · Score: 1

Apparently their CMS does not generate a cache of static pages to be able to deliver content independently of a working SQL backend.

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Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-10-24 04:31 · Score: 0

Actually, I knew that w/o looking it up..
I have a copy of the script from that episode signed by Eric Stillwell... Of all the signatures I have from Trek, I like that one the most.
Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by yurtinus · 2012-10-24 05:01 · Score: 1

You kid, but I think there are several of us who remember Yesterdays Enterprise pretty well :P

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Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by Anubis+IV · 2012-10-24 05:18 · Score: 1

I might remember it if I saw it. I grew up on TNG, but I haven't rewatched it in years. I've actually been going through all of the series, however, and am just about done with the original series. After that, I only have TNG left since I've been saving it for last.
heresy is mine by KingBenny · 2012-10-24 10:13 · Score: 1

i don't think i missed a lot of episodes of the original series or the next generation but as a kid i couldnt be moved from the screen with a crowbar when battlestar galactica was on, the new series was fine but a bit too moralizing in the end. My absolute favourite stays babylon five , saw it several times front to back all episodes, must have worn my lawyer friends dvd's out there.
so go on, whip me, stake me, i have only half a soul and it's twisted
or just go hardcore and mod it down, i shall rise again
i always do, must be a curse

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Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
Three things. by DarthVain · 2012-10-25 02:58 · Score: 1

Nog.
Sisko's kid whatever his name was (I believe I subconciously erased it from my mind).
Worf's kid...
ugh. Airlock. All of them.
1. Re:Three things. by davewoods · 2012-10-26 02:21 · Score: 1
  
  Without looking it up: Jake.
  With looking it up: Jake.
  
  Booyah, I get so many points. I was not a fan of DS9 when I was a kid, but perhaps my tastes have changed now, I should check it out. I do, however, remember that the kids were definitely annoying.
Re:Arguably the most important Enterprise Captain. by BenEnglishAtHome · 2012-10-26 11:31 · Score: 1

I seem to recall that she was killed and that a lieutenant junior grade in her command was the one who had to take the ship back...

It didn't occur to me that anyone would get this mixed up the way you have. You're right, she wasn't in command of the suicide mission. I never said she was. I said she was the one who made the decision to go back. Slight difference there.