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Do Recreational Drugs Help Programmers?

jfruh writes "Among the winners of last night's election: marijuana users. Voters in both Washington and Colorado approved referenda that legalized marijuana for recreational use, though the drug remains illegal under federal law. There's been a long-standing debate among programmers as to whether recreational drugs, including pot and hallucinagens like LSD, can actually help programmers code. Don't forget, there was a substantial overlap between the wave of computer professionals who came of age in the '60s and that era's counterculture." (There's even a good book on that topic.)

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  1. Caffine by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Absolutely.

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    1. Re:Caffine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps you need another cup; it's "caffeine".

    2. Re:Caffine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only if you use it rarely. If you use it regularly, your body will get used to it and usage will only get you to the same level as those who don't use it. And not using it will drop you below their level. But I think you can recover within a week or two if you stop using it.

    3. Re:Caffine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is why caffeine usage should be on a sawtooth shaped cycle. You keep ramping up usage as you get tolerance, then you need to take a week off. If things work out well, you can synchronize that schedule with other slow points in your work and hobby schedules too.

    4. Re:Caffine by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Caffeine does zip after about a week of (ab)using it. After that you just need it to be normal.

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    5. Re:Caffine by kelemvor4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I quit caffeine recently. Bad headaches for the first two days, but by day 3 I was fine. However, if I drink a cup of coffee now I'll get a headache again later that afternoon.

    6. Re:Caffine by jest3r · · Score: 2

      Same experience here. 2-3 days of mild withdrawal symptoms whenever I temporarily quit caffeine! Of course I never really quit because I end up drinking it again at some point.

    7. Re:Caffine by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends on the drug and on the programmer.

    8. Re:Caffine by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Informative

      was anybody talking to you, faggot? if you value your health, you better shut the fuck up too.

      Whatever it is that you are taking, you should probably back off of it a bit.

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    9. Re:Caffine by Chrutil · · Score: 5, Funny

      was anybody talking to you, faggot? if you value your health, you better shut the fuck up too.

      Dude, decaf.

    10. Re:Caffine by mevets · · Score: 2

      That is the best reason kick it. I bet the headaches stop after youâ(TM)ve detoxâ(TM)d.

  2. maybe by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will program something while not being high and see if it makes a difference, later though. So far I am still collecting data points.

    1. Re:maybe by andrew2325 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The down side is the majority of the hippies that did a lot of drugs died young. From my own experience, its a bad idea to try to accomplish anything high. Coming from a guy who has done drugs, you'd be much better suited for your position sober. I would not employ you if I knew you were on drugs either. Get your lives together.

    2. Re:maybe by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think the idea is you code while high. I think the idea is that getting high last night affects the way your brain works today. Either because of simple stress relief or something more complicated. LSD in particular is known to have serious and long lasting effects on brain function, and not all of them negative. For example, a single dose of LSD can increase the chances of an alcoholic staying sober by a significant margin, significant enough that if it weren't for the stigma associated with it it would probably be part of standard rehab.

    3. Re:maybe by TheLink · · Score: 3, Informative
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    4. Re:maybe by durrr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a video of the drugged spiders
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1n15JxrBJ8

    5. Re:maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's as far as you got? I wrote an entire content management system while stoned.

      It worked pretty well, only problem was that I could never remember how it worked for some reason.

    6. Re:maybe by SolitaryMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I've heard somebody say (my experience confirms it too): "People on drugs think they are creative and productive. Everyone else thinks they are on drugs." The same can be said about alcohol.

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    7. Re:maybe by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      too broad a statement, sounds like establishment FUD. what kind of drugs? you have proof anyone died young from MJ use? LSD use?

    8. Re:maybe by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      As I've heard somebody say (my experience confirms it too): "People on drugs think they are creative and productive. Everyone else thinks they are on drugs." The same can be said about alcohol.

      I'll drink to that....err....wait...

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    9. Re:maybe by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Further proof that the metric system is hazardous to your health.

    10. Re:maybe by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's some evidence that humans shouldn't use marijuana if they are young and their brains are still developing:

      I would be very surprised if there wasn't evidence, since it seems self-evident that any psychoactive drug is going to affect a developing brain in some way or another. Which is one of many reasons drug laws are stupid: It's easier for a kid to buy pot than for an adult. This is ass-backwards.

    11. Re:maybe by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although I was raised around drugs and I smoke pot on a regular basis I know for me that is not a good idea to get stoned at work, for two reasons.

      1) I'm trying to get a job done, but I am impaired so I can't do my job well.

      2) I'm trying to enjoy this high, but I am concentrating on getting my damn job done so I can't enjoy the high.

      So for me it is a waste of time and a waste of weed to get high at work.

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    12. Re:maybe by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's as far as you got? I wrote an entire content management system while stoned.

      It worked pretty well, only problem was that I could never remember how it worked for some reason.

      Oh, you're the bozo who coded Lotus Notes? At least there was a reason for it.

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    13. Re:maybe by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Don't believe the hype, and stop spreading misinformation.
      > If you want to join the party come informed.

      Um... you are falling into the same trap. Not all drugs are the same, they don't affect the same systems within the body/brain, they don't metabolize the same ways, they are not the same.

      Alcohol hangovers are pretty complex and are due to various issues from dehydration to the effects of various metabolites of alcohol and what they do in your system (or what alcohols even, its long been noted that some distilled liquors have a tendancy to create worst hangovers... as they have concentrated levels of all manner of chemical)

      Pot has virtually no hangover. LSD will tire you out and could be said to have a hangover, of sorts.

      Now as for coding.... I don't really recomend being high while coding anything serious. Maybe a little alcohol, a little pot or something, wont hinder you too much but.... I smoke a good amount of pot and have a very high tolerance.... I still can't get much done after 3 or so bong rips.

      As for LSD, I wouldn't discount it. The experience is very intense but also very cerebral. I still wouldn't expect to get much done coding on it, however, for higher level brainstorming and gaining perspective, I definitely think it has some value..... once in a while.... (you can't do it every day anyway.... tolerance builds very fast... most suggest no less than a week in between uses, or else it will just stop "working", and since there is no withdrawl or dependance its not like its an addictive substance... in fact, after an acid trip, the vast majority of people have NO desire to do it again right away... its a rather emotionally draining experience)

      Though back when i was younger and did it more than once in a blue moon, I stuck to friday and saturday evenings so I had a whole day to recover and reflect on anything difficult that I ran into.

      Once you have done it a few times, and get your "sea legs", its definitely less intimidating and easier to handle different situations. I have tripped in various situations with lots of people around and never had a real issue, and the worst thing that happened was, while going from one party to another at a convention, I got stuck in a hallway listening to RMS debate a local book shop owner on copyright (Didn't even realize who it was at first, just thought he was some FSF hardliner until someone called him "Richard") .... and no, nobody should take this as an endorsement of tripping in public for newbs, I was quite experienced before I ever did anything like that.

      Sadly though, I haven't seen LSD for years. Supply dried up at least 5 years ago.

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    14. Re:maybe by tsm_sf · · Score: 2

      I worked on cleaning up a project after the main developer imploded. He had serious pot and cocaine habits, but what was interesting was that you could tell which he was on when he wrote various sections.

      Basically, his coke fueled code generally worked and was relentlessly documented, but he'd brute-force problems that could have been solved by an hour of reflection. His pot programming was creative and filled with half-completed ideas and zero documentation.

      Kind of a sad story, the guy went from a guitar-playing family man with a long list of happy clients to a divorced druggie constantly padding out his hours and ripping off clients. Visiting his sleazy apartment to go over some code and getting just shamelessly hit on by his 15 yo daughter is probably one of my most excruciating memories.

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    15. Re:maybe by NatasRevol · · Score: 3

      higher tolerance due to growing up in England.*

      *Completely made up.

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    16. Re:maybe by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It sounds like that is based on very limited personal experience.

      I have been smoking cannabis for more than 35 years and it is nothing but an enhancement to me (well... unless used excessively all day or something). To long time users, it's more like having a cup of coffee than an intoxicant. While it is and we have to be a bit discrete, we don't even think of it as an "illegal drug" when we use it either alone or in social settings, but then, this is Canada where we don't believe American propaganda.

      Hippies didn't necessarily die young because of drugs (at least not marijuana and not likely LSD either). There are other common factors and lifestyle choices that come into play. I have friends in their 70's who still smoke cannabis several times a day, by the way.

      Most all of the harm from cannabis comes from the drug laws, and extrajudicial mechanisms that serve only to ostracize people who defy those laws. For example it is absolutely disingenuous to test urine for cannabis and use the presence of non pharmacologically active metabolites that may persist for weeks or months, to discriminate against people for employment or any other purpose. Hair follicle testing is even more sinister. They are always testing for past use. Even blood tests, while more accurate, immediate and having the possibility to be quantitative, can detect it for up to 4 days.

      Funny how the harm is directly related to society. In places where it's legal/ignored and tolerated, there is far less harm than in an authority driven place like America where the public is so brainwashed that they actively participate in the injustice. You've really got to see cannabis use without the stigmata, to understand this. It doesn't affect your family either, when it's tolerated. In fact it can be a "god send" (not my words) when chosen over alcohol abuse. When people aren't punished by society for it, they keep their jobs and/or businesses, they own homes, have families, raise bright kids who go on to higher education just like "normal" people etc.

      The answer to the main question in the article "Do Recreational Drugs Help Programmers?" can only be that it depends on the individual, the drugs in question and the circumstances. It is my opinion that someone who doesn't use drugs would almost certainly be affected adversely if they suddenly got intoxicated or over stimulated and tried to code. Drugs don't affect all individuals the same, either. I know some people who just CAN'T use cannabis for example.

    17. Re:maybe by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Now go find a study not done in America that concurs with you on Marijuana usage and problems.

      Let me save you the time, you won't.

      Outside of the US, the rest of the world has already done the studies and concluded pot is one of the safest drugs on the planet. You don't even actually get an increase in lung cancer rate from smoking it! (Other lung issues DO rise however, don't assume I'm saying its risk-less)

      Again, all you have to do is leave the US and the level of truth goes up drastically.

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    18. Re:maybe by ubermiester · · Score: 2

      As I've heard somebody say (my experience confirms it too): "People on drugs think they are creative and productive. Everyone else thinks they are on drugs." The same can be said about alcohol.

      It depends on how you define "productive". If you mean churning out line after line of procedural algorithms, you are unlikely to accomplish much while under the influence. But if you're talking about creative problem solving that involves "thinking outside the box", there's a lot to be said for "altered states".

      More often than not, breakthroughs in understanding tend to come from a reevaluating of previous assumptions. So for example, if you've been banging away at a problem for a week and cant seem to see a way out, cannabis can provide a bit of "distance" from the problem while not completely removing you from that space.

      That said, I would never recommend - and in fact would strongly discourage - people from using during the bulk of their work. It is far too disruptive to normal cognitive function to allow for proper concentration and it is especially bad for learning. You just dont retain anything properly. It's a tool in the toolbox like any other.

    19. Re:maybe by moonflower1 · · Score: 2

      How about the Netherlands? That should make for a nice location for such a study with pot being legal over there. Btw over 1000 participants.

      Persistent cannabis use was associated with neuropsychological decline broadly across domains of functioning, even after controlling for years of education. Informants also reported noticing more cognitive problems for persistent cannabis users. Impairment was concentrated among adolescent-onset cannabis users, with more persistent use associated with greater decline. Further, cessation of cannabis use did not fully restore neuropsychological functioning among adolescent-onset cannabis users. Findings are suggestive of a neurotoxic effect of cannabis on the adolescent brain and highlight the importance of prevention and policy efforts targeting adolescents.

      From http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract

  3. tht depends by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is the pot free as in beer or free as in speech

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  4. Woot by davidwr · · Score: 3, Informative

    First cup of coffee gets first post!

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  5. Spice by a-zarkon! · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion

    1. Re:Spice by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

      I frequently relax at my computer with Sappho-related things.

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  6. Why is this not an "Ask Slashdot" question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is this not an "Ask Slashdot" question?

  7. If overlap is now causality... by Moraelin · · Score: 2

    then Cthulhu t-shirts and mugs and solstice carols are good for programming.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for legalizing drugs. And I don't like it one bit that my tax money goes into making victims of some harmless pot smokers.

    But [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc]cum hoc ergo propter hoc[/url] is a fallacy for a reason.

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  8. Too distracting by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Funny

    *the cat seems to be know something...*
    "Dude, did you see where I put that lighter?"
    *Must get test routines done for code review tomorrow....*
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  9. inpaired thinking = bad coding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would expect code produced under the influence to have more bugs, less comments and generally be an unmaintainable mess.

    1. Re:inpaired thinking = bad coding by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would expect code produced under the influence to have more bugs, less comments and generally be an unmaintainable mess.

      Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    2. Re:inpaired thinking = bad coding by yiegie · · Score: 2

      And your expectations are correct.

      I've used cannabis for recreational purposes, and while being high does give you interesting ideas, actually converting them to a piece of logic (i.e. a program) seems to be impossible. Nothing I've ever programmed while under the influence of marihuana has outlived a review while being sober.

      And that's not the worst part.

      While I was smart enough to only do this in my own time, I used to have a colleague with a somewhat... broader... view on the subject. Maintaining his code always felt like reading through a piece of Stream-of-consciousness literature.

      It has enforced my own beliefs that recreational drug use does NOT deliver better code; quite the opposite.

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  10. Impossible to Say by OG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who do will of course say that it does and will provide anecdotal evidence (although I'm sure most of them have not actually performed any controlled tests to verify that claim). Most studies would indicate that drugs would not aid in many of the mental processes involved in programming, but that won't change anyone's mind, and I definitive statement can't be made until studies are done to specifically test this assertion.

    1. Re:Impossible to Say by jest3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Studies are being done. They seem to indicate that cannabis does have a positive influence on the subject's creative performance.

    2. Re:Impossible to Say by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Those who do will of course say that it does and will provide anecdotal evidence (although I'm sure most of them have not actually performed any controlled tests to verify that claim). Most studies would indicate that drugs would not aid in many of the mental processes involved in programming, but that won't change anyone's mind, and I definitive statement can't be made until studies are done to specifically test this assertion.

      Agreed, I'm comfortable enough with the understood process of "Addict rationalization" that 100% of the anecdotal evidence can be thrown out at face value. Until some start-up in Colorado offers to out-source brilliant programming to an army of potheads (with positive results) I am going to stick with the studies that are already out there.

  11. I guess we'll see by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Voters in both Washington and Colorado approved referenda that legalized marijuana for recreational use

    Valve Corporation is an American video game development and digital distribution company based in Bellevue, Washington, United States.

    If HL2:EP3 finally comes out, I guess we'll know what to thank.

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  12. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You forget how stunningly crap the spec and use cases you've been provided are?

  13. Don't bother with the article by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case you were tempted to RTFA, don't. You have to click through two ad-laden pages, and there really isn't any more information than in the summary.

  14. free as in speech - if you do your part by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Do a DNA sequence and publish the results under an "open" license.

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  15. You're asking the wrong question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could it help programmers? Possibly, if you work in a high-stress environment.

    Would it improve the code? Would you want to be the guy who has to maintain code written by another developer who was high?

    Does coding while drunk result in good code? For a mentally-intensive task, why would any mind-altering substance be generally beneficial?

    1. Re:You're asking the wrong question. by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have seen code produced by a drunk person before, it is ridiculous,
      You might think you can, but you cannot code drunk.

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  16. Real experience here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    THC... sometimes for certain people. It helps me focus, and some of the best code I've done has been while stoned.

    LSD on the other hand... I can't even read the text on the screen and find it difficult just to play music on my computer. I think that after the fact it leaves one with a more holistic and empathic perspective on life, but it sure as hell can't help you at the time of being high - similarly with pretty much any other psychedelic drug (I have the term hallucinogen, because they don't really make you hallucinate, strictly speaking).

    1. Re:Real experience here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I played the best game of Q*bert in my life while on THC. Coding, not so much. It *destroyed* my ability to think about the assembly code I was working on.

      LSD is an awesome experience, but I could barely take a phone call. Coding would be out of the question. If the high didn't last so long, I might be open to taking it in order to allow me to think outside the box for awhile.

  17. Not exactly by JeremyMorgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But I would argue that the type of person who would try recreational drugs is also the type of person that might get into programming. Curious, risk taking and someone who doesn't want to be told what to do or fit into a mold? Yeah sounds about right.

  18. Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by concealment · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Drugs do things to your brain that make you realize certain things.

    The fallacy is assuming that the only path to these realizations come through drugs.

    (It's worth mentioning that drugs have numerous downsides as well.)

    If you learn to meditate, or for those with aversion to religion to "think hard," you'll get everything you could from drugs.

    This isn't an anti-drug argument; that's for someone else's thread. It's an argument against assuming drugs can give you something that can't get another way.

    If the potential is within the mind, clearly it's the important element, not the drugs.

    1. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by newyorkdude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I take it that by drugs, you mean mind-altering drugs. Other than that, it is obvious that drugs help. Consider caffeine. Duh. And there are a thousand others that help and are not significantly mind-altering. Let's not mix up the classes.

    2. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2

      It's worth mentioning that drugs have numerous downsides as well.

      So does the Eastern mystical woo you're selling.

    3. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by RCC42 · · Score: 2

      I agree with you in sentiment but wanted to point out that there is nothing inherently religious about meditation. A lot of religions have meditation as a component but a lot of religions also have specific clothing, chairs, tables, buildings and other trappings, but textiles and architecture aren't religious by nature either.

    4. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      If low-dose LSD helps you stay off alcoholism, for example, which is entirely possible

      It's better than that, a single hit of LSD can seriously increase your chances of staying on the wagon for months. The fact that it isn't part of the treatment for alcoholism says more about our irrational war on drugs than it does about anything else.

    5. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by tylikcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've done a lot of meditation (I am a chan Buddhist, live in a zen center*, and spend an awful lot of time sitting on a pillow, staring at the wall in addition to my other primary occupation of neurobiology and martial arts). I've done a smaller amount of recreational drugs (and not recently, but I'm not particularly against them).

      I think the comparison between meditative states and those acchieved through drugs is overblown. Oh, there are some overlaps - both my own experience and the literature calls out the use of psilocybin in particular as creating lasting deeply significant insights, and there are certain plenty of examples of drug experiences that in some way mimic enlightenment experiences - but I think there's actually a lot more difference. That they're so often compared might be in part a legacy of the sixties.

      Drugs are just a tool. They produce various effects, and can be used more or less (less explicitly including negative values here) usefully. As a society we've created some fairly arbitrary distinctions between drugs. I personally generally tend towards the "less is more" aesthetic... but I'm hardly an absolutist, and I think there's a lot of room for individual variation.

      * Yes, I'm using the same word in two languages - the order I belong to is of Chinese origin, and I speak Chinese, and I live in a zen hall affiliated with a lineage of Japanese extraction.

    6. Re:Logical fallacy in assuming drugs help by LongearedBat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Meditiation is an excercise in two things... relaxation and focus (in that order). No "woo" required.

      It's a pity that so many people believe that meditation is synomymous with "woo", though I understand why that is... because the techniques are usually described together with other "interesting ideas" (yeah, "woo" is actually an appropriate word here).

      However, proper studies (do your own googling) do show that meditation is good for mental health and, in my experience, is good for training oneself to become calmer and more able to focus. (Like how excercise makes you fit, even when you're not excercising.) Very useful when making decisions and letting the mind think more freely.

      If you want a good technique for meditation then I suggest using traditional Buddhist techniques (though you're welcome to ignore Buddhist beliefs). They're the hardest to master but the most effective. Many other types of "meditation" amount to daydreaming - pleasant, possibly relaxing, but not training focus.

      And believe me, when you can really focus on a problem in your mind, the ideas begin to flow. No need for drugs to think imaginatively. But with the added bonus that clear, structured and critical thinking are maintained.

  19. No, but stoners THINK it does by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Had a stoner friend back in school who thought weed made him do everything better. In reality it made him do everything WORSE, but he was too stoned to realize it. Creative people think weed helps them, but it doesn't. That's just some horseshit they've convinced themselves of, as an excuse to smoke more weed.

    It's like the old idea among Wall St. types that cocaine allowed them to work harder and longer. Yeah, it does...and also work a lot dumber. Read a quote once from an old-school SNL writer from the late-70's-early 80's who said "Cocaine gives you diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain." Pretty much sums it up for most drugs.

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    1. Re:No, but stoners THINK it does by Triv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your friend was doing it wrong. The intoxicant helps draw connections between things you wouldn't've necessarily thought to connect beforehand, gives you ideas, sends you off in an unexpected direction.

      The work that derives from that initial idea, the actual making stuff of it, should be done sober.

  20. short term gain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You end up with a short term gain and long term problems. Anyone who tells you different has not reached the other end yet.

    For example aderall lets you concentrate to a very effective degree. Until you start need to up the dose to get the same effect. Then you give up and are a wreck for it.

    Cocaine makes you spazzy.

    Codine sorts of things makes you relaxed and happy until you are full blown addicted to it.

    Caffeine makes you a 'bit spazzy' but long term you keep having to up the dose to get the same effect. Then trying to quit = massive I am going to throw up my lungs headaches.

    Weed makes you mellow. But eventually you get paranoid.

    So yes you can 'hack' your body. But remember sometimes what you do can NOT be undone.

    Don't forget, there was a substantial overlap between the wave of computer professionals who came of age in the '60s and that era's counterculture
    And there was a non significant number that did not touch it. You are trying to justify a position with spurious thinking. This is usually the words of someone who is doing something they know is stupid yet want to justify it in some way. Just man up and say 'I am doing something stupid'.

  21. Re:What? by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In this case, probably non-conventional logic; computers don't operate the way human brains do, it takes a twisted head to program well. Especially if you're attempting to optimize a system using low level programming languages.

    Of course, I've said before: Drug tests are mostly to attempt to filter out incompetent low level employees, trending a bit upwards when they're operating dangerous equipment. By the time you're a serious professional, I figure the general attitude is that they don't want to know, but secretly expect you to be able to handle your recreational drug use. IE the difference between a lawyer and a burger flipper is the Lawyer is expected to know how to handle his cocaine habit. IE as long as his performance doesn't degrade unacceptably, he's good.

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  22. Re:supremacy clause by boneglorious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sure, this isn't 'the end of it, but these kinds of events are symbolic of the direction the country is moving. A few states trying it out here and there, pretty soon Iowa will be doing it and then it will be all over.

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  23. Maybe, maybe not by davidwr · · Score: 2

    I don't know those states' referendum laws, but in some states, the legislature cannot, on its own, override a referendum.

    The feds can make the voters WISH they'd voted another way by hitting them in the pocketbook, but it may take a full run of the referendum process to roll back these new laws.

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  24. Eh it all comes down to moderation by areusche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As with anything, moderation is key. As I remember from my college days there are a few times where I got so out of it I was couched locked and did not want to do anything.

    The typical drug war debate aside, I personally wouldn't toke up every time I had to program. I know how it affects me and sometimes being sober for work is a good thing. Just keep it simple and enjoy it as a treat when your work is done. Just like one would treat alcohol.

    The body compensates to anything one throws at it to make up for the temporary gains. It's a zero sum gain sadly. Just enjoy it as a treat or treatment if you really need it for a disease/disability.

  25. Dealing with Management by micron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Recreational drugs serve more as a device to cope with Management than they do for any other aspects of developing code.

  26. No. by Kinthelt · · Score: 2
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  27. Obligatory xkcd by TennCasey · · Score: 4, Funny
  28. Re:What? by jest3r · · Score: 2, Informative

    Creative programming and creative problem solving.

    Musicians and artists for example do benefit from recreational marijuana use. Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was quoted in Rolling Stone magazine as saying that marijuana helped him write Pet Sounds. Shakespeare, Carl Sagan, Paul McCartney .. the list goes on and on .. have all said that the use of cannabis had a profound positive experience on their creative process.

    So it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that cannabis could also provide a mental "boost" to a programmers mindset as well. In terms of problem solving or inspiring creativity.

  29. Every stoner thinks they are geniuses when stoned. by MEC2 · · Score: 2

    Every stoner thinks they are geniuses when stoned. Even geniuses. I famously recall Carl Sagan commenting on his and his wife's drug use and how he felt his writing process was more elucidated while high on marijuana.

    Of course, every stoner thinks they are Carl Sagan when high. "Man, l can like totally see it now, it's like, there are like billions and billions... served at this McDonalds..."

  30. Re:LSD and Unix by NettiWelho · · Score: 2, Informative

    I didnt know Berkley was in Switzerland.

  31. Re:This Is Disgusting And Sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People like you are the reason why you have many co-workers who smoke pot every day but don't tell you about it.

  32. Re:LSD and Unix by acariquara · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about crack cocaine and Windows ME?

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  33. Hellz Yeah. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was on the Windows 8 UI development team, we all were taking Meth and PCP daily. And look at the wonderful and innovative design we came up with!

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  34. Re:It sure does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whenever I've coded even the day after getting high, if I look back on it a week or so later without having done any marijuana, I am amazed at the number of sloppy bugs. Marijuana and coding don't mix. Even off hours.

  35. No by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is your code:

    int factorial (int n)
    {
        int r = 1;
        for (int i = 1; i < n; ++i)
            r *= i;
        return (r);
    }

    This is your code on drugs:

    f(int n){int i=n,r;l:r=(i!=n?r*i:unix);if (--i)goto l;return (r);}

    Any questions?

    1. Re:No by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Funny

      So drugs help you use fewer lines & less whitespace? Awesome!

      And so you prove my point by failing to notice the bug. Lay off the drugs, man!

    2. Re:No by ddd0004 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I always thought that minified javascript was run through a minification program to do that, but it was actually being handwritten by Cheech & Chong.

  36. There is a case for rigorlesness by Peter+(Professor)+Fo · · Score: 2

    There is a trade-off between getting each step right first time by absolute concentration eg. coding, and wasting time exploring the solution-space at the speed of an ant. A lot of programming involves juggling eggs and a mind trained not to drop stitches is required. On the other-hand you can't cross a ditch with lots of tiny steps no mater how small you make them - you need to jump. SOME way of letting 'what the heck' out of the bottle can be a very useful mind tool for minds that are trained to analyse and check everything. Chemical means is one, requirement not to be a 'total nerd' in public another. You could try serious habit-forming methods but cider is more fun -- is there something wrong with that?

  37. Re:What? by judoguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Asking a dope smoker if they're smarter, more creative, etc. for doing it is as dumb as asking a concussed person if they're OK. It's is known to be a bad idea. They've injured the organ that makes the diagnostic call.

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  38. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Drug tests are a dumb american war on drugs phenomenon. Nobody in Canada or the rest of the world takes them.

    If you can't filter out incompetent employees without a cup of urine, you fail at HR 101.

  39. Recreation vs Programming by progician · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For my part, I obviously don't use illegal drugs at work and I'm doing fine. But I can see that most of the programmers, including me, using energy drinks, or shit load of coffee. It seems obvious to me that caffeine is a great drug for programming as much for most of other jobs and activities.

    Sometimes at home however, I like to smoke a spliff, read some code on the Github which eventually results in coding my own projects after a while. I have never used any stronger stuff for programming, because it doesn't make much sense for me. While you can get some inspiration, programming is a very focused activity with little room for being dreamy, thus I would say that anything that is stronger than a lightly made joint would be counter-productive for coding.

    I suggest, recreational drugs should belong to our recreational time. Many geeks I know has a huge problem with separating from the computer, at least a little recreational time should detach us from the matrix.

  40. Amphetamines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Adderall/dex/meth/speed is used for recreational and also prescribed for the very purpose of helping cognitive performance. The answer to the question depends on many factors, and it simply doesn't make any sense at all to lump all "recreational drugs" in the same box.

    They're not all the same at all.

  41. Re:What? by bfandreas · · Score: 2

    Uuuuh. I wouldn't field Brian Wilson to support that argument.

    Write something clever while doped. Read that when sobered up. At that point your only excuse will be that you obviously were off your rocker :P
    That being said, I truly do believe that it helps relaxing while not at work. It will only help you directly at work when your job is to devour tons of pizza.

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  42. Re:This Is Disgusting And Sick by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree that you shouldn't mod GP down because of disagreeing...I do believe GP should be modded down. He uses inflammatory and trolling language.

    "This Is Disgusting And Sick"? Filthy, vile, and destructive? Timothy is irresponsible and should be fired?

    This is exactly the kind of language that stops thoughtful discussion, and should be discouraged accordingly by the mods.

    Whatever your opinion is of recreational drugs, this animosity toward people minding their own business in the privacy of their own home is reminiscent of those who think violent video games caused the Columbine massacre and other real-world violence. It is a simple fact that humans generally consumes large amounts of chemicals that alter the way our mind and body work, and our society generally manages to do just fine. And just like some people will be violent psychopaths who just happen to be gamers, some people will self destruct who just happen to use recreational drugs.

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  43. Re:What? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cite your claim that Shakespeare ascribed a "profound positive effect" to cannabis on his creative process, please. (And from a publication of a university press, not a pot advocacy website or similar).

  44. Re:What? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Creative programming and creative problem solving. Brian Wilson. Shakespeare, Carl Sagan, Paul McCartney...

    Correlation is not causation. Maybe they were just creative people. Period.

    Millions of non-creative pot smokers nationwide will back up this hypothesis.

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  45. Depends on Strain of Pot by Psyborgue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people don't know Pot comes in a very wide variety of effects (and side effects). Some might make a person drowsy while another might make a person more alert. One might have a side effect of affecting short term memory. Another strain might not, but cause something else. Some strains might very well be useful for coding. There are lots of Sativa dominant strains that are very similar to amphetamines / caffiene, in that they have a stimulant effect and in many people tend to stimulate creativity. It's really impossible to say definitively marijuana does this or that with so many varieties around. Many American recreational users are just concerned with raw THC content when this matters very little (it's the balance of different Cannabinoids that makes the difference). The government's lack of attention to this issue in their propaganda does little to help. Medical users, on the other hand, have known these things for decades. You have one strain for the day, and one for the night time. If you're going to try pot, my recommendation is to do your research. Start off with an Indica dominant strain unlikely to cause paranoia (the most unpleasant side effect), and graduate up to something that is a little more cerebral and leaves you less drowsy. My personal recommendation is Hindu Kush. It's a very calming, typical Indica smoke but at the same time is totally like other Indicas in that it won't leave you drowsy

  46. Re:What? by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Creative programming and creative problem solving.

    Majority of coding work is not creative. Take an interactive form with 20 fields in WPF, for example - with data binding, with triggers, with validators.

    I'm not even sure what coding is creative these days. Perhaps yet another scheduler for Linux? That certainly would be very creative. But even a driver for Linux is 99% slogging through the datasheets and through the sample code. For that you need clear mind, and not this.

    By the time the tasks are allocated to coders the problems are already cut into bite-sized chunks - forms, interfaces, graphics, styles, database schema, etc. Real problem solving usually starts at a higher level, during system design. What does the customer really want here? What hardware and software should we select, and why? What are the risks? How much it will cost? How could the impossible task X be done at all? What is the plan B? Who is going to do this and that? But you'd better not be drugged out of your mind when you answer those questions.

  47. Tricky question by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a fun topic to debate but the question is pretty fuzzy. "Recreational drugs" vary so widely in their effects that you can't really say anything about all of them at once. "Help" is also a subjective term that would need to be further defined to have any meaningful discussion.

    I'll also put out there that anyone who hasn't done much of them is unqualified to answer.

    Personally, and speaking very generally, ie. the way this question would typically be taken, I would say that they do not help. More specifically:

    - Depressants such as pot and alcohol can help you think more creatively but tend to erode motivation and coding accuracy/efficiency.
    - Hallucinogens (LSD, DMT, MDA, 2CB, shrooms etc) in normal doses also help creativity but will usually make interacting with the computer difficult or impossible. At very low doses (see LSD microdosing) there can be potential for augmenting sharpness of mind and attention.
    - Most energetic stimulants (cocaine, meth, crystal, crack) make you too wired to sit still and focus on a task like programming. Way too little attention span.
    - Speed is an exception to the above. With lower doses it can help keep you focused and awake almost indefinitely without being foggy. This the one drug I would say has the ability to help, even if it doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't already with willpower and enough Jolt.
    - MDMA (ecstasy) I consider a class on its own. Coming up with and talking about programming ideas could work very well but sitting in front of a computer doing a task that needs a clear head would definitely be problematic due to the mashy fogginess. Besides, why code when you could be hugging someone or dancing?
    - I couldn't tell you about heroin but from what I've seen in movies it doesn't look like something you can code on at all!

    FWIW I've been coding for about 30 years. Hope this helps :)

  48. GRAPHICS DESIGNERS yes (for pot), not programmers by ClassicASP · · Score: 2

    I won't deny that smoking pot has had its influence in the artistic creative-arts world. But programming involves thinking-things-through, and being logical, and not being lazy. Pot does not help this at all. Maybe caffeine and amphetamine based drugs though. That'll perk you up and get you focussed on getting things done, which is required for programming.

  49. Re:What? by poly_pusher · · Score: 2

    Ya know, I'm not opposed to that idea. It is possible. I'm not a programmer, I'm an artist and on that account I can say that you really aren't necessarily supposed to be creative at work. It's a very frustrating scenario but true for most artists. You get to be creative outside of work.

    On that basis, whatever you want to do outside of work should be your business as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on the hours and effort you put in for work. When I was in college I used to really enjoy going out to the bar then coming home and writing while my buzz wore off. Looking back through some of that writing there is some very good work. The better work is very honest, secure and fluid. In many cases it was rather creative. However, there are also some pieces that make absolutely no sense at all.

    We are discouraged as a society from drinking on the job "and in my opinion this is the same as doing drugs on the job, alcohol is a drug," for many important reasons. In my experience the biggest problem with drug use of any kind in relation to performing a task is inconsistency. Too much is a problem, too little wont do anything. For that reason, be sober for at least the hours you spend at your paying job. If you feel drug use improves your creativity, do that at home on your own personal projects and make sure it doesn't take over your life damaging both your personal projects and your employment.

    It really comes down to moderation and respecting the expectations of your peers when you are in a situation that could also affect their job performance.

    Also encouraging any sort of drug use for creative purposes is very dangerous. Every one is wired differently. Some people are predisposed to abuse, others are not.

  50. Re:What? by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
    A stately pleasure-dome decree...

  51. Re:What? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about: Write something whiled doped. Read that when sobered up. Pick out the good bits. Write it into a coherent story, edit, publish. I suspect that is much closer to the way most writers use drugs to increase creativity. Good writing is only 5% creative ideas, but that 5% can destroy an otherwise gifted author's career if it just won't show up to the party. The idea is that the sober brain has a lot of filters that stop 'stupid' thoughts making it up to the conscious level, getting doped relaxes those filters letting a lot of stupid stuff through. But like any piece of filtering software, sometimes there are false positives, and those false positives are more likely to be groundbreakingly creative ideas simply by their nature of being so close to the stupid line.

  52. Re:What? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, all of our HR employees are stoned.

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  53. Re:What? by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Creative programming and creative problem solving. Brian Wilson. Shakespeare, Carl Sagan, Paul McCartney...

    Correlation is not causation. Maybe they were just creative people. Period.

    Millions of non-creative pot smokers nationwide will back up this hypothesis.

    One easy thing to look at is how many of them were heavy drug users *before* achieving fame and success. Get back to me if you find a single one. It just so happens that large amounts of money, free time, and basically a "free pass" from law enforcement leads to, you guessed it, experimenting with drugs. What a shock. Plenty of non-creative hacks do lots of drugs, too, but confirmation bias must be something that gets harder to spot the more you smoke.

  54. Maybe by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An anecdote: My athletic club used to participate in a state program to employ the mentally challenged. The guy who cleaned our locker room was slow. But he was a nice guy and proud to have a job that he could do, and do well. This level of pride motivated him to always do his best and, as a result, we had a fantastically clean locker room. After a while, the program was discontinued and he was replaced by (I suspect) a college student who needed some part time income. The locker room became a slimy mess and the attendant always had a bad attitude about the complaints.

    So, I suppose if you have a job that involves repeated hour after hour of monotonous drudgery, knocking a few points off the old IQ might help. Pot smoking (a popular recreational drug) has been shown to impede the creation of short term memory. That might explain stoners' tolerance for doing repetitive work without complaint. It isn't so bad with long term memory, so learned skills are probably still available. Just don't count on converting much current experience (short term memory) into new learning.

    Personally, if someone gives me a monotonous job, I figure its a candidate for automation. I figure out a way for the computer to do it (automated code generation from requirements documents, for example) and free up time for something challenging.

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  55. Is meditation religious? by concealment · · Score: 2

    I'm speaking more of its origins, but I'd like to clarify:

    I agree with you in sentiment but wanted to point out that there is nothing inherently religious about meditation. A lot of religions have meditation as a component but a lot of religions also have specific clothing, chairs, tables, buildings and other trappings, but textiles and architecture aren't religious by nature either.

    Meditation is a type of thought.

    Thought is not necessarily religious.

    Cassocks are types of clothing; altars are types of furniture.

    Furniture and clothing (textiles) aren't necessarily religious either.

    Is meditation religious by nature?

    Historically at least, it arose from religious principles (Hinduism and others), and has been spread by the expansion of those religions.

    The statement you be wanting to make is "Meditation does not require religion for its practice."

    That's true, I think. Although some people tell me that it may lead to a more religious mindset.

    Then again, so does good quality dope.

  56. Re:This Is Disgusting And Sick by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Warning: Psychedelics can cause fear, nervousness and delusions in those who do not use them.

  57. I can sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pot takes my mind away from programming, when is time to sleep. It also makes me a lot more relaxed, and interested on the silly things my kid wants to do. After a day of blasting my brain with logic and debugging, inhaling some canabinoids through a vaporizer, helps me get my mind away from the stress from work, without the side effects of pharmaceutical headache otc medicine. I don't smoke weed when I am at work, but my best programming and design ideas come in when I am stoned. I write them down, and then review then the next day. I am one of the top contributors, get bonuses every year, and my life couldn't be happier and healthier. Also Washington state rules. Take that Oregon!

    1. Re:I can sleep by Jeng · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do the people you talk about also drink alcohol?

      What you are describing is clinical depression.

      I know with me a lot of the issues you mention went away when I quit drinking and got medication for bi-polar depression.

      I still smoke pot and my psychiatrist is perfectly fine with me smoking pot, but alcohol is a strict no no.

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    2. Re:I can sleep by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I knew it.. Windows terrible design is based off weed!

      No, if it were weed, it would be incomplete.

      The pattern resembles caffeine more than weed.

      There's a famous study that was done about the effects of drugs on the ability of spiders to spin webs.

      Web-spinning resembles coding to a degree, both are engineering tasks, both have to be completed in a timely manner or the author starves.

      What they found was caffeine made the spiders very productive, but rather sloppy. That sounds like Windows to a T.

      Weed on the other hand made the spiders do very detailed, ornate work, but they seemed to have wandering minds, get bored and leave their webs unfinished. I don't know what OS that would correspond to.

      LSD had the effect of the spiders becoming very parsimonious with their effort. Webs constructed by LSD-spiders are typically minimal but very elegant. This makes me believe that Unix was probably dreamed up by some acid-heads.

      The study
      http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm

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    3. Re:I can sleep by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

      Weed on the other hand made the spiders do very detailed, ornate work, but they seemed to have wandering minds, get bored and leave their webs unfinished. I don't know what OS that would correspond to.

      GNU/Hurd I think.

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  58. Re:What? by tftp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Majority of coding work should be preemptive coding for scalability.

    PHB: Listen, Bill, I have a small programming task for you. We need an application that pops a dialog up, asks for a number, and appends that number, as plain text, to a file. Could you put this together before lunch?

    Bill: Hey, boss, this is a major undertaking. Since we want to ensure scalability of this application I need to make it so it accepts a form definition language, parses it, executes scripts in another language, and then spits it into a variable, programmable set of databases which could be plain text files as you want, or ODBC connections, or The Cloud. Of course we want strong crypto on all that, and biometric authentication at every step. My team of ten will probably do it within a year or two.

    PHB: Bill, are you high?

  59. Re:It sure does by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    you're just not getting it right. code while high for creativity, debug while sober

  60. Re:What? by dubbreak · · Score: 2

    Majority of coding work is not creative. Take an interactive form with 20 fields in WPF, for example - with data binding, with triggers, with validators.

    I assume you aren't a recreational pot smoker. Different people, different strains, different results.. but in my anecdotal experience pot can be useful in routine tasks. For some it lets them focus (like Ritalin or adderall). I've tried coding drunk.. results were horrid. Weed? I can focus for longer periods of time, but also find it increases creativity. For some people it ruins concenrtation. We did an informal experiment with a dance game (similar to DDR). Played it sober, same level multiple times and kept score. Then "got high" and played the same level. Some people did better, some did horribly worse. It seemed to go one way or another (though the sample size was pretty small).

    My point is the effects of pot aren't consistent, so we can't make broad statements about its effects. Maybe with the change in laws we'll see more research into the effects.

    The book mentioned in the summary, "What the doremouse said", is worth a read. It shows the real beginnings of modern personal computers (which was SRI not Xerox Parc.. Parc got their researches from SRI after the gov't funding dried up). Those researchers experimented with plenty of drugs and came up with some really cool things.

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  61. Re:The other side of the coin by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Funny

    No Mountain Dew and you call yourself a programmer?
    I doubt your story based on that! :)

  62. Re:The other side of the coin by bunuel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I almost never drink coffee or tea with caffeine. Not that I'm against them, I just don't like them, I prefer herbal teas. No Mtn Dew or Cola either.

    The problem is when I do need some caffeine (Monday overflow or something) if I drink a small cup of regular coffee, I get all anxious and shaky, my pulse increases and overall I feel bad. So, if I didn't get enough sleep, coffee does not make me feel better.

    This happens to me with weed... I generally have a better experience with it if I'm using it regularly. If I let my tolerance get too low it makes me uncomfortably anxious and paranoid. I've heard other people say this too.

  63. Re:What? by jest3r · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well ... it's a bit of a stretch ... but quoted from Scientific American and BBC news ...

    In the current issue of the South African Journal of Science, Francis Thackeray of the Transvaal Museum in Pretoria and his colleagues document the presence of cocaine and myristic acid (a plant-derived hallucinogen) in clay-pipe fragments retrieved from the beloved bard's Stratford-Upon-Avon home. Their analysis also hints at the presence of marijuana residues.

    Though the pipe cannot be definitively linked to Shakespeare himself, it is certain that it dates to the 17th century. This fact came as a surprise to the scientists; previously, the earliest known record of cocaine in Europe dated to only 200 years ago.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=shakespeare-on-drugs

  64. Re:The other side of the coin by Imagix · · Score: 2

    Until this year, Mountain Dew was caffeine-free in Canada.....

  65. Re:Contradictory ... by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is not contradictory in the least, he goes home, smokes, relaxes, and in that relaxed state he thinks about his job in a relaxed and creative state and he writes down the ideas and brings them to work.

    What about that is contradictory?

    If you do think it is contradictory do you have personal experience with being high?

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  66. Re:Contradictory ... by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can be a top contributor and still be stressed... dur. Most people drink a beer or a glass in the evenings to relax, what people have been saying this ENTIRE TIME is that puffing a spliff to achieve that effect is exactly the same.

  67. Re:What? by hazah · · Score: 2

    Assuming, of course, your premise, that the organ is indeed injured. Study after study failed to produce such injury. Strawman.

  68. Re:What? by Psyborgue · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah. But could the pharma industry make money off cannabinoid based products? Hard to sell a plant at the prices they do with competing drugs when somebody can just grow something better at home. It's not rocket science to make cannabis tinctures, edibles, etc. Dispensaries do it today. Vaporizers also take the dangers of smoking away. Tin foil hats aside, the pharma industry would have a lot to lose were marijuana legal and they do fund anti-drug propaganda (as well as the alcohol and tobacco industries). It's just good business sense. It's not a conspiracy when it's done right out in the open.

  69. Re:What? by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

    Jesus. I feel sorry for people like you. Going through life never knowing what they've missed. It's like living life without ever hearing music even once.

  70. Re:Contradictory ... by sartin · · Score: 2

    What about that is contradictory?

    OP said he was happy. OP said he uses weed to forget work stress. To some that appears contradictory.

  71. Re:Contradictory ... by spazdor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Today I learned that no one who experiences stress of any kind is happy, ever.
    Thank god Slashdot has such good psychology credentials.

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  72. Re:Contradictory ... by Jeng · · Score: 4, Informative

    The weed relieves the stress and makes him happy.

    It really isn't that difficult to understand.

    I have depression issues, I take anti-depressants, it is not contradictory that the end result is that I am not depressed.

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  73. Does not always work by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    Caffeine has little effect on many people (me included). I can drink a cup of strong coffee and go to sleep 30 mins later just fine. I've once accidentally conditioned myself to expect sleep after drinking coffee by drinking a cup each night before bed. So for a few weeks afterwards I was becoming very sleepy after drinking a cup of coffee during day.

    And no, I don't have caffeine dependency - I can live (and often do) without coffee for months just fine.

  74. Re:Contradictory ... by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is the same with me, caffeine and nicotine while programming, pot afterwards. I can use the weed as an incentive to get work done by saying 'can't smoke weed till it is done.' I can't program while stoned though, it makes my mind wander too much and simply means it takes 5 times as long to get the work done. I can however design programs on a conceptual level when stoned, and it leads to more inventive and interesting ideas. This even applies to designing complex algorithms. For me though a stoned brain doesn't lend itself well to slow logical stepwise operation, and therefore the actual typing of code will always be left to caffeine and nicotine.