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Ask Slashdot: High-Tech Ways To Manage a Home Library?

DeptofDepartments writes "With Kindles and ebooks on everyone's lips (sc. hands) nowadays, this might come as a surprise to some, but besides being a techie, I have also amassed quite a collection of actual books (mostly hardcover and first editions) in my personal library. I have always been reluctant to lend them out and the collection has grown so large now that it has become difficult to keep track of all of them. This is why I am looking for a modern solution to implement some professional-yet-still-home-sized library management. Ideally, this should include some cool features like RFID tags or NFC for keeping track of the books, finding and checking them out quickly, if I decide to lend one." For more on what DeptofDepartments is looking for, read on below. DeptofDepartments continues: "One problem seems to be the short lifetime of RFID tags (only 5-10 years). Given that many books will probably only be read or checked out once or twice in this period at best, the administrative effort seems very large. I have also been largely unsuccessful in finding tags or solutions that go beyond the cheap 5 to 20 item 'starter kits', yet still remain affordable and below the industrial scale.

Also, what would be suitable and affordable readers/writers for the tags in this context?

Finally, as many of the books are old folios or fairly precious first editions, everything must be non-destructive and should be removable without damage to the books if need be.

(Note: Scanning ISBNs with a hand-held barcode scanner is not an option, as many books are old (pre-ISBN) or special editions).

Software-wise, I would like to have a nice and modern-looking, easy-to-use software that can interface with the hardware side as described above. I do not necessarily need multi-user or networking capabilities at this point.

I hope the CSI (Combined Slashdot Intelligence) has some helpful ideas and pointers for me on this!"

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  1. A what? by werdnapk · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:A what? by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's one of these:

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/

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    2. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Man, I'm still not sure how e-books caught on so hard, and why people keep singing the demise of the printed book.

      Personally, I've tried using a few friends' e-readers, and can't stand it. Too rigit, irritatingly slow page flips (although I'm sure this can easily be remedied with a better e-reader), and too delicate. And by delicate, I mean that I wouldn't be able to do NEARLY as much to an e-reader as I can with a paperback.

      Read in the bathtub without worry of losing more than about $12 and the time Amazon takes to ship? Check
      Lob it across the bathroom away from the bathtub when I'm done reading for the time? Check
      Hurl it down the hallway towards a pile of things I'm gathering for whatever outing? Check
      Read it at the beach without the slightest care about sand or moisture? Check
      Leave it in the car in the middle of winter? Sure!
      Leave it anywhere remotely close to a window in the middle of winter? No problem!
        - note: I'm not sure how good e-readers stand up to cold, but up here in Canada it can be -50 out at times, and in the old apartment I'm stuck in for the moment, near the windows it's not all that too terrible much far off from that. I don't trust leaving anything electronic near the windows of this place in winter.
      Smudge marks? None
      Batteries? None

      And I dunno... there's just something relaxing about just handling a nice paperback novel.

    3. Re:A what? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "Read in the bathtub without worry of losing more than about $12 and the time Amazon takes to ship? Check"

      Only if you buy cheap paperbacks. I buy leather bound signed 1st editions. A couple of my books are worth more than a 64gig new ipad.

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    4. Re:A what? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Read in the bathtub without worry of losing more than about $12 and the time Amazon takes to ship? Check"

      Only if you buy cheap paperbacks. I buy leather bound signed 1st editions. A couple of my books are worth more than a 64gig new ipad.

      I buy books to read.

      Cheap paperbacks work just fine for that purpose.

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    5. Re:A what? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can put the ebook reader into a ziploc bag if you really want to read in the tub.

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    6. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read in the bathtub without worry of losing more than about $12 and the time Amazon takes to ship? Check
      Read it at the beach without the slightest care about sand or moisture? Check
      Leave it in the car in the middle of winter? Sure!
      Leave it anywhere remotely close to a window in the middle of winter?

      Pretty much a simple ziplock case (iLok has cheap ones on ebay) takes care of the sand/moisture issues. My kids read their kindles in the bath all the time. Haven't noticed any ill effect from the cold either.
      As for lobbing down the hall, they have cases which have managed to protect them well. The fact that we can check out ebooks anytime from our local library has let them read more books than if we'd had to fit in a trip (though of course we do that too). One kid likes the kindle better, one likes real books better, but the both read a ton on each.

    7. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny, but here is the sad part, Apple has a patent on way a page turning looks like
      https://www.google.ca/search?q=apple+page+turning+animation+patent

    8. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I've accumulated 11000 paperbacks, then I probably have more severe issues to worry about.

      And yes, you can pick and choose which book you want to read at any point, that's all fine and good. However, it's not necessarily a requirement for people. Of my 50 someodd books (the genre I read, that survival type thing, literally does not HAVE 11000 books about it. In fact, you could probably drop that by a full two orders of magnitude and still have every book of the genre written in english), I find that having a shelf of paperbacks is perfectly acceptable.

      And besides, with 11000 books, I'd be willing to bet my next year's wages that you haven't read even 10% of them. There's a point where you have to ask yourself "why in the fuck do I even need this many books available?" I mean, there's "why not, then I choose anything to read", and then there's "I've never physically scrolled more than 25% of the way through the list because it takes too goddamn long to even read the titles".

      It's the same with people bragging that they've accumulated 100,000 mp3's or something. That's *literally* going to be around or over 300 days of music, nonstop, without repeating (depending on song length of course). They will reasonably never actually listen to every one of those songs. There's an extremely good chance that a number of those songs will never be opened and played by Winamp or whatever. And odds are, they're going to be listening to the same 50-100 songs that they really enjoy, and just -not- listen to the rest.

      Call it a hunch, but of your 11000 books, if you've re-read any of them, you're burning time needed to read the others. Let's say you're a crazy fast reader. For an average book, let's say you can demolish it on 2 days average, assuming you have a day job, etc. Or screw that, even one a day.

      Every single goddamn day without fail, you fully read from cover to cover another book.

      You'll still be reading that same collection of books for over the next 30 years. And this is assuming you don't acquire even a single additional book during those 30 years.

      tl;dr: Having a collection of that many books is a completely pointless waste of space, since there's not reasonable way you will EVER read all of them.

    9. Re:A what? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Catalog all your books? nope.
      Buy a book on the fly from almost anywhere? nope.
      Easily share a book and automatically get it back? nope
      Easily look up a new word? nope
      Fact check from anywhere? nope.
      Check a book out for the library without going to the library? nope.
      All the books weight the same? nope.
      Immediately share a clever passage or turn of phrase? nope
      Adjust the font size? nope

      Book get smudge marks. No only do they get smudge marks, they are difficult to impossible to remove.

      Yeah, boo hoo if you don't take precautions you might drop it into the bath tub. Or you could put it in plastic, or into a case, or, you know, stop reading while soaking in your own filth and take a shower. Then sit by the fire with all your books and pick and choose.

      Oh, I drop my Kindle into the tub. Damn that was stupid of me. I guess I;ll just have to read from my computer, or phone until I get 79 dollars.

      Once you drop you paperback into the water, you'r done reading.

      I get it. I thought the same thing, then I get my wife a kindle. Cause there are a shit ton of free romances.
      The I used it and , man unless it's a nice hard cover or signed, I don't even want a hard print book.

      "And I dunno... there's just something relaxing about just handling a nice paperback novel."
      Yes, it's you emotional attachment to the idea of how someone should read a book.
      There are people who enjoy reading, and there are people who read to own books.

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    10. Re:A what? by psithurism · · Score: 2

      Leave it in the car

      My car got broken into over the weekend, everything removable down to my broken $10 sunglasses got stolen, but the thieves just piled my books on passenger seat. Glad I didn't bring my kindle that day.

    11. Re:A what? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      And by delicate, I mean that I wouldn't be able to do NEARLY as much to an e-reader as I can with a paperback.

      Read in the bathtub without worry of losing more than about $12 and the time Amazon takes to ship? Check
      Read it at the beach without the slightest care about sand or moisture? Check

      My Kindle is better at these tasks than a book - I just put it in a zip-lock baggy and I'm good to go. I've dropped it in the hot tub more than once without a problem. Drop your book in the tub and you're probably not going to be reading it until it dries out. The beaches here tend to be breezy, so I prefer reading the zip-lock enclosed kindle over a paper book or magazine since the pages don't flutter with the wind.

      Lob it across the bathroom away from the bathtub when I'm done reading for the time? Check
      Hurl it down the hallway towards a pile of things I'm gathering for whatever outing? Check

      I agree that a kindle probably wouldn't stand up to this behavior, but when I'd done reading in the tub (whether an eBook, paperback, or magazine, I set it on the floor next to the tub, I don't really lob anything across the room.

      Likewise when I'm gathering things for an outing, I generally put them in my backpack, I don't hurl them down the hall. But hey, everyone has their style.

      Leave it in the car in the middle of winter? Sure!
      Leave it anywhere remotely close to a window in the middle of winter? No problem!

      The coldest my Kindle has been is around 10 degrees left in my car overnight. I haven't used it below around 50 degrees - if I'm in a place much colder than that, I'm generally not going to be reading. I've also left it in the car during 90 degree days and it was fine. I don't know how well it stands up to extreme temperatures, but fortunately, we don't have those temperatures here. Would -50 temperatures kill a Kindle?

      The biggest advantage of an eReader to me is that I generally read more than 1 book at a time. I might be reading a science fiction anthology, a fictional novel, and a non-fiction book, and I switch between them. With an eReader, I only need to carry a single small device with me instead of 3 bulky books.

    12. Re:A what? by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      Good luck carrying 1000+ ebooks around in your pocket, like I do on my S2 (or reading them in the dark at night so you don't keep the other half awake). Along with a multitude of movies, music, comics, audio-books, news-feeds AND internet browsing, etc, etc! Oh, it's also a phone too I think...

    13. Re:A what? by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      ** WHOOOOOSH *** - the sound made by passing ideas which are completely missed.

    14. Re:A what? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I use my iPhone in the bathtub all the time (check email, play Words with Friends, etc).

    15. Re:A what? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the bookshop doesn't/can't delete the book from you bookshelf.

      Nor do they profile you based on what you read.

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    16. Re:A what? by Dan541 · · Score: 2

      Great, how much can you do with eleven thousand paperbacks. Because that's how many I have in my e-reader.

      Build a fort in the living room!

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    17. Re:A what? by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

      The poster is referring to a Holmes-Ginsbook device.

    18. Re:A what? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Good luck carrying 1000+ ebooks around in your pocket, like I do on my S2 (or reading them in the dark at night so you don't keep the other half awake). Along with a multitude of movies, music, comics, audio-books, news-feeds AND internet browsing, etc, etc! Oh, it's also a phone too I think...

      The thing is, you can only read one book at a time. I know you can have several different books on the go, but almost no one literally reads a page in one book, then half a page in the next, a couple of lines in a third, then back to the first for another page.

      I'm talking about reading for pleasure, of course. Obviously if you're doing serious research then it's a different story, as it is for reference/text books.

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    19. Re:A what? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The biggest advantage of an eReader to me is that I generally read more than 1 book at a time. I might be reading a science fiction anthology, a fictional novel, and a non-fiction book, and I switch between them. With an eReader, I only need to carry a single small device with me instead of 3 bulky books.

      I can see this is a good argument if you travel a lot, and certainly I take an eReader on holiday, but personally I do 99% of my reading at home in my library, not in coffee shops, art galleries, student bars or whatever. It's an age thing.

      Horses for courses, as always.

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    20. Re:A what? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      The biggest advantage of an eReader to me is that I generally read more than 1 book at a time. I might be reading a science fiction anthology, a fictional novel, and a non-fiction book, and I switch between them. With an eReader, I only need to carry a single small device with me instead of 3 bulky books.

      I can see this is a good argument if you travel a lot, and certainly I take an eReader on holiday, but personally I do 99% of my reading at home in my library, not in coffee shops, art galleries, student bars or whatever. It's an age thing.

      Horses for courses, as always.

      I don't think it's an age thing, my 70 year old dad loves reading on a Kindle because he can crank the font up to a size he can read. He doesn't, however, enjoy the online shopping, so I buy books for him.

      I do most of my reading during my commute, so the Kindle is ideal for that. If I did all of my reading at home, I'd probably read plain paper books since they tend to be a fraction of the cost of eBooks when you buy them used. But if not for that cost differential I'd probably stick with the Kindle, I find it to be quite usable.

    21. Re:A what? by tilante · · Score: 2

      Apparently you don't actually like books that much, given that you say there's only a ridiculously slim chance that there's a book you want that you don't already have and have with you, that you only read one book at a time (and apparently none of those are large hardbacks), you haven't been to a library in decades, and you think that sorting books on a shelf is the same thing as cataloging them (and, for that matter, "sort the fucking books on the shelf" implies that you own few enough books that they'll all fit on a single shelf). Also, your comments seem to indicate that you never need to use books as references for anything.

      For those of us who actually like books, though, trust me when I say that many of these things actually are large advantages.

      To give a few examples of some reasons that I'd love to have more of my library as ebooks:

      I play and GM RPGs. There's a huge number of books involved, which are often big, heavy hardbacks. I run and play some games online, and it's nice to be able to respond when I have a few spare minutes in the day. Just carrying the core books for the two main games I play would literally mean carrying fourteen pounds of books. If you added in the supplemental books that players are using things from, you'd easily double that.

      I'm also a writer. As such, it's very nice to have a dictionary and thesaurus with me that don't require a working Internet connection (since sometimes I'm working at bus stops, restaurants, or wherever else I have a few spare minutes to write). Not to mention carrying around my previous stories so I can fact-check myself to ensure consistency (and being able to search for phrases helps greatly there). Granted, I could keep those on the same device I'm doing the writing on, but it's nice to be able to have it open on a second screen.

      Lastly, like many heavy readers, I don't read just one book at a time. I usually have half a dozen or more that I'm reading at once. For example, right now I have three books on magic and divination in Ancient Greece that I'm reading as research for part of a story I'm writing; a book on swordfighting, for a martial arts class I'm taking; a romantic comedy novel, a dramatic medieval fantasy novel, and near-future dramatic SF novel (picking which one I choose to read based on what I feel like reading at the time). And that's completely leaving aside the books mentioned above that I'm using as references for things.

      Oh, and good for you that you've never suffered from impaired eyesight. Some of us do and have, and very few books are actually available in large print editions. Usually I don't have any problems with my eyes, but when I do, it's been very nice to be able to change the font size up for a few days until they're back to normal.

      On the other hand, though, physical books do still have their own advantages - when you're dealing with something where illustrations are important, especially. Many of the martial arts books I've been reading have a lot of illustrations, and they're usually laid out on the assumption that you're viewing facing pages together. Some are in nonstandard formats (e.g., bound on the short side) in order to allow sequences to be laid out in certain ways. If you're looking for something visual in a book, it's much, much faster to be able to riffle through it to search (or if you know approximately where in a book something is, it can be faster to find).

      In a perfect world, I'd like to have all my books in both formats, so I can enjoy the advantages of each - but unfortunately, most publishers don't want to do that... or at least, not without charging you for the book twice.

    22. Re:A what? by tilante · · Score: 1

      But you don't actually own the book with paper books either - you own a particular copy. If that copy is lost, stolen, destroyed in a fire, ruined in a flood, etc., then the fact that you still hypothetically own it does you no good.

      With my ebooks, though, I have a backup copy on my computer at home, another copy on the external hard drive that I back up to, and another in the copy of my personal files that's on my laptop. Not to mention that I can re-download most of them at any time, as long as the places I bought them from stay in business.

      Also, ebooks have an enormous practical advantage for book lovers - namely, that keeping an ebook "in print" costs a publisher essentially nothing. I've had quite a few physical books over the years that I've had to go to considerable trouble and expense to replace when something happened to them, because they'd been out of print for decades. Indeed, about half the ebooks I've been buying lately are books that I'd either 'owned' before or had read before, but I hadn't been able to either replace them or get my own copy because physical copies were too expensive ($100, $200, or more for a paperback fiction book). Now, many of them are being re-released as ebooks, either by publishing companies or directly by the authors, and I'm finally able to get them at a reasonable price.

    23. Re:A what? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Good luck carrying 1000+ ebooks around in your pocket, like I do on my S2 (or reading them in the dark at night so you don't keep the other half awake). Along with a multitude of movies, music, comics, audio-books, news-feeds AND internet browsing, etc, etc! Oh, it's also a phone too I think...

      The thing is, you can only read one book at a time. I know you can have several different books on the go, but almost no one literally reads a page in one book, then half a page in the next, a couple of lines in a third, then back to the first for another page.

      I'm talking about reading for pleasure, of course. Obviously if you're doing serious research then it's a different story, as it is for reference/text books.

      Indeed, but I believe the GP's point was that he/she can bring many, many more books along everywhere they go, so they are never stuck for something to read. Do you bring your paper novel along to read while standing in line at the post office or grocery store? For vacations how many books do you have to bring along, and how much room / weight do they take up in your luggage?

      Don't get me wrong, I love the feel of a paper book as much as the next guy, and prefer that for around-the-home reading where I can quickly grab a new book when I'm done the old one. But, with my husband and I both being fairly avid readers on our down time, I tried ebook readers for our vacations as soon as they came down to a price range and functionality that I liked and we loved them. More room/weight for souvenirs! I also find that having a book on the go on my phone (I read in parallel, 2 or 3 books at a time depending on where I am) lets me amuse myself during tedious waiting times (e.g., dentist office) without having to remember to pack a book along, or find space for it in my pockets. And let's face it, the magazines in the dentist's office are abysmal, there's only so much Good Housekeeping one can stand...or slashdot, for that matter :)

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    24. Re:A what? by whitroth · · Score: 1

      What barrel did yuo come out from under? Most of the folks I know, like me, have *large* libraries of real books (>> 3000 books), many, many paperbacks, and YOU'LL GET MY BOOKS AWAY FROM ME WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS.

      And most of us reread, too... I know, you don't even reread a comic book.

                      mark

    25. Re:A what? by steveg · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. Large numbers of books, or songs *can* be nice, but only if they're realistically large. Thousands of songs, maybe even tens of thousands of songs. But not hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of books, sure, a thousand or two maybe. But not tens of thousands.

      I think having books (and music, and movies, etc.) has value for the items themselves, not as something to brag about.

      If you're starting a lending library, that might be different.

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      Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.
    26. Re:A what? by steveg · · Score: 1

      I buy books to read too.

      I have have many shelves of cheap paperbacks. I have a slightly smaller number of shelves of regular hardbacks. I have several shelves of leatherbound books. I have about 500 books on my Pocketbook 360.

      They all work fine. The e-reader is mainly when I travel, but it's usually with me when I'm out and about and have a few minutes to read. I like the e-reader, but I like physical books too. And I can lend a physical book. Easily.

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    27. Re:A what? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against quality printings - the top 2 shelves of every bookshelf in my library is stacked with mostly antique first editions (I have a first-English-edition of Bambi with the cover art printed slightly off-center that's my personal favorite - according to all my research, it doesn't exist!).

      My issue is with uppity hipsters who get all snobbish when someone mentions that everything they buy isn't some uber-pricey collectors edition.

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    28. Re:A what? by steveg · · Score: 1

      I generally am reading about three books at a time, but it's location based. I have dead tree at home, dead tree in the car (for when I'm going into a place I intend to sit and read, like a coffee house) and a e-reader in a pocket for the quick opportunity. Sometimes the e-reader takes precedence over the others, depends on the specifics of what books are involved.

      I seldom shift the e-reader from one book to another until I'm finished with the one I have cued up.

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    29. Re:A what? by steveg · · Score: 1

      The bookshop can't delete books from my ebook reader either. Or know what's on it. They might know what I bought (from them) but that's as far as it goes.

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    30. Re:A what? by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      I both agree & disagree with you. As I spend 2hrs on the train each day, I find myself often reading just a few pages of one book, then a few of another, or completely different ebooks at night, etc. What irks me is that this illusion of choice creates a type of reading ADD, so you either never quite finish a book, or lose the flow of the story. A book really had to be compelling for me to read it to the exclusion of all others these days...last time that happened was probably with a paperback, which had to sit on my bedside table, so was the only book I read until I finished it. So, you're correct, indirectly - having 1000s of ebooks at your fingertips is probably NOT conducive to quality reading in a lot of ways *sigh*.

  2. I have 12 books... so do I need... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ... to get a Cray super computer to track it high tech style?

  3. Our Good Friend Dewey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Organize your books using Dewey, make or buy slip covers, and while you are physically labelling them enter information in a card catalogue database.

    If you're going to keep books as a labour of love you can make time to catalogue them.

    1. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed. When I was in college, Princeton University's library (the largest open stack library in the world, at least at that time) was managed via Dewey, card catalogs, and manual check out. Certainly a home library can be handled using the same technology.

    2. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you don't need to damage old books in order to use modern tracking methods. Print a paper bookmark with a bar code and the title/author in text and slip it in the book. If it falls out, put it back in.

      If you don't mind sticking something to an inside cover permanently, like many people do with "Ex Libris" bookplates, print your own - something sufficiently artistic with a discrete little bar code to read. Doesn't have to be Dewey or ISBN or a title hash, just has to be unique within your database.

      And if you don't want to mix your tech world with your library (I keep a rather large one, and I'm that way) just use something simple like a late model MS Access (which works just fine if you're not stupid with it). Bar code readers are cheap, and are just keyboard intercept nowadays, so there's really no system integration involved. It's what we've done with ours, a modest F&SF/tech/philosophy/medieval library of a few thousand books.

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    3. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Has anyone set up a bibliography template for MS Access?

      I was looking for one, but it's impossible to search for "bibliography" on Google.

    4. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you know the Dewey Decimal System is a licensed service? Libraries have to pay to use it. Not saying not to use it here-- just maybe want to keep it on the down low...

    5. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by bcrowell · · Score: 1

      Did you know the Dewey Decimal System is a licensed service? Libraries have to pay to use it. Not saying not to use it here-- just maybe want to keep it on the down low...

      The Library of Congress system, unlike Dewey Decimal, is free for anyone to use.

    6. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcco/

      http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcc.html

      Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, it appears that you have to subscribe to their online service or purchase the printed manuals to get "the complete text of the classification schedules". Some sort of a summary is available free on their website (above) but not the whole thing.

      Perhaps using it is free (is it really?) but getting the needed data in the first place is not.

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    7. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      Dewey isn't exactly easy. Try it sometime, pick some random subjects (e.g. English-French dictionary for French speakers learning English) and try and catalog it. It'll have about one correct number, but that number will be different to a French-English dictionary for English speakers learning English. By different I mean, unless you know about Dewey you might think that the two are quite unrelated apart from the general category (languages).

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    8. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Dewey??! Good heavens, no. Use the Library of Congress system ... it's much finer-grained.

      [I learned the LoC system in college... after that, going back to a Dewey-cataloged library was like being blind. Yeah, Dewey is a lot easier, but it lacks fine distinctions. LoC's system can locate a single book, not just a subcategory.]

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    9. Re:Our Good Friend Dewey by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1
      An ex-librarian here - I'd treat it as a special collection and avoid both Dewy and Library of Congress - neither of them tend to be that great for small, narrow collections. I would avoid shelf numbers all together - just do it as: fiction (alphabetical by author), art (alpha by artist) etc. And for non fiction, divide into as many subject areas as you need and then do it by author/editor or year.

      As for the cataloguing, I would recommend "Library Thing". It's $25.00 for life - you get an expert level for very little effort. As for the rest of it - I'm inclined to be a little bit alarmed that you are thinking of tagging and lending out what sounds like a valuable (and fragile) collection. I think you'd be better off concentrating on preseving the value by investing in things like acid free non-stick covers and good shelving. If you must lend, then go low-tech (an exercise book with columns like "title" "person who has it" and so on. Or what about cards - I used to love cards). Any type of tagging seriously crashes the value of your books. Apart from that, tagging is what you do when you have large numbers of strangers (i.e. students) who want to carry off your collection. If you are lending to friends then you shouldn't really need that.

  4. Just guessing by Anrego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have no experience in this area, so this is purely how I would approach the problem from a blank slate.

    I would go with good ol` fashion "bunch o` lines" bar codes. Easy to make yourself, should be easy to attach to a book (or not, maybe just have it loose between the cover and first page), lots of cheap readers and most just emulate a keyboard so easy to interface with.

    From there I'd probably throw together a little home brew. What you are asking for does not really sound complicated, the software side sounds like a weekend project for just the basic requirements. Even if you just do it as a basic web app. Be sure to add a title based search for if the barcode gets lost, so the bar code just becomes a convinience and not a requirement to use,

    1. Re:Just guessing by westlake · · Score: 2

      Easy to make yourself, should be easy to attach to a book (or not, maybe just have it loose between the cover and first page

      First editions, remember. Collectible editions.

      Deface or damage a book and its resale value will plummet to the garage sale price.

    2. Re:Just guessing by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Kinda the point of:

      (or not, maybe just have it loose between the cover and first page)

      If we are talking ancient relics that will turn to dust if the pages are so much as parted (or some kind of slip cover installed), then I dunno.. maybe specific shelf space with the barcode and label under it or something..

    3. Re:Just guessing by Niteshade · · Score: 1

      It's OK if any change is easily reversible, meaning: if you can erase your shit. I'd not stick a bar code on a 1st ed. Moby Dick, but you could certainly write, in neat _pencil_ on the title page, a code number or call number. Even rare books need to be catalogued in some fashion, and this is how the pros do it. The Newberry Library here in Chicago does that, and nobody takes better care of their books than them. Most special collections libraries at major universities do too.

      Short of that: get some acid-free paper, and write your code number on that instead, or even a barcode (as long as this label is not in regular contact with the book).

    4. Re:Just guessing by plover · · Score: 2

      What's the point of a tag to a library? One use is to enable quick and efficient checkout. Either a barcode or an RFID chip solves that, but is speed of checkout an actual problem for a home librarian? Another point is to prevent theft, which an RFID tag that can be read from a distance helps solve by placing readers at the exits. Again, not a realistic problem for a home library. So checkout activities really shouldn't factor into consideration for the technology.

      Probably the most realistic application for the home librarian is to manage the inventory. That might make more sense for a home library, especially one that fills a large room or spans multiple rooms. The activity of taking inventory then involves reading each label. That would require either the barcode to be visible from the spine, or an RFID tag. Affixing the barcode to the spine is hard to do without damaging the book, and not every item in the catalog even has a spine or is stored on a shelf. RFID works much better for those. RFID is also better if you are trying to locate a specific item that isn't on its proper shelf. Set a reader to beep only if tag 12345 is read, then wave the reader across the shelves. That's much faster than scanning barcodes.

      I think his best solution is still to use RFID tags. They're available on sticker rolls (for about $0.35 cents each), but there's nothing saying you have to peel off the backing. You could just place the tag between the pages, which wouldn't damage the book at all. Major chain bookstores have done this with EAS tags for decades. You could also stuff it between the binding and the spine, perhaps holding it in place with a loop of thread. An RFID tag is invisible unless you're actually on the page where the tag is kept, so the value of an old book isn't tarnished by a gaudy barcode.

      Here's an interesting paper on the topic of using RFID in libraries: http://www.bic.org.uk/files/pdfs/090109%20library%20guide%20final%20rev.pdf

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      John
  5. Keep it simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Put them in alphabetical order. Use a ledger to record lending.

    You're welcome.

    1. Re:Keep it simple. by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Grouped by author, ordered chronologically by date of author's first major work.

      Only way to go.

      A friend of mine independently came to use a similar system, but he does it by author's birth (a bit easier) and does a bit of grouping by category (philosophy, literature, etc.)

      Either system works great. Stats to fall apart near WWII, as in most people's libraries the dates get denser the nearer you approach now.

      It's awesome having an ordering system that acts as a teaching tool. Better for idle browsing than simple alphabetical ordering, too, since works of similar style will tend to be near one another.

    2. Re:Keep it simple. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alphabetical author, then alphabetical title. Lending? no way in hell any of my precious is leaving my library...

      Or of you want to make a large collection book owner cry.... By color then size.

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    3. Re:Keep it simple. by brian1078 · · Score: 1

      By color ...

      Oh you think you're being funny, but I have a co-worker/friend that has done just that.

    4. Re:Keep it simple. by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      By color then size.

      Sure. Why not?
      Group the books by Color then Size or vice versa.
      Then catalog all the books in a database and when you look up a book it shows a pic of it.
      Tall, Thick Brown. Go there and get it.
      I actually think it is fucking genius. Looks cool and it can actually work.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    5. Re:Keep it simple. by ThinkingGuy · · Score: 1

      About 10% of my books are in Japanese. Where do they fall in the order?

    6. Re:Keep it simple. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Grouped by author, ordered chronologically by date of author's first major work.

      Only way to go.

      It's the "only way to go" if you tend to have only books by single authors, and most of those authors have been dead for centuries.

      What about?

      1. collections by more than one author (books of poems, collections of short stories, etc.)
        collections of essays (very common among academics)
        reference books (even if they have a primary author, it's usually not very relevant)
        sets of books written by different authors
        etc., etc., etc.

      If I followed this system, probably 10% of my library couldn't even be catalogued, and at least half of it would be catalogued in a way that would NEVER be helpful (and impossible to remember).

      I can only imagine this system would be useful for a collection of old "classic" works, or perhaps in a collection that was focused on one field or genre where chronology may be helpful. For anyone who owns a reasonable amount of reference works, non-fiction works (not pop non-fiction), academic works, etc., this system may not be practical.

    7. Re:Keep it simple. by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      The "only way to go" thing was hyperbole, yeah.

      As I wrote, it falls apart somewhat as you move in to more recent decades, which is when multi-author series, multi-author collections of short work, and most multi-author non-fiction volumes (that anyone's likely to have) will occur.

      If that's the bulk of your library, the sure, a chronological ordering will suck.

      For ~1940 and earlier, when even most non-fiction that's still read by anyone will be single-author, it's great. Classic works of science, mathematics, and the humanities all fit well in the system.

      I do keep some things outside the chronology, like recent non-fic and the bulk of my mostly-shitty guilty-pleasure science fiction. My wife keeps her fantasy stuff separate. The more recent decades on the main shelves would be a cluttered mess with all our genre fic tossed in, and anyway we both browse that stuff differently from the rest.

      If you're in to engineering reference books, collections of academic papers, 1920s textbooks, romance novels, spy thrillers, RPG manuals, or whatever then sure, consider using a different system :-)

    8. Re:Keep it simple. by steveg · · Score: 1

      My leatherbound books are actually grouped by size -- my bookshelves are not infinitely capacious, and the shelves themselves are spaced variably in order to fit everything on there. That group of books is variable enough in size (some very tall, some very short) that it makes sense to group similar sizes together.

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  6. Kodak moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would reccomend taking a polaroid of the person you are loaning the book to and then leaving the picture on the shelf in the place reserved for the book. Other viable database options include a chalkboard log of the Dewey Decimel numbers or scanning each book to a tape drive for safe keeping.

    1. Re:Kodak moment by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Wow, a polaroid? Really? Just let the out dated technology die.

    2. Re:Kodak moment by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      woosh

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  7. Delicious Library by gti_guy · · Score: 2

    Try Delicious Library. http://www.delicious-monster.com/

    1. Re:Delicious Library by schlesinm · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is my suggestion as well. It's actually Delicious Library 2 by now. You can search by name, ISBN number, scanning the barcode, etc. You can also store books, CDs, DVDs, games, physical devices, etc.

    2. Re:Delicious Library by fastrack20 · · Score: 1

      Even though this only works on Macs it is still the best software for the job.

    3. Re:Delicious Library by Aaden42 · · Score: 2

      It's Mac only, but it really is VERY good. I've been searching for something for non-Mac (three-platform opensource ideal, Windows-only acceptable), and nothing comes close in terms of having a grandma-intuitive interface, reliable barcode scanning, and good metadata lookup. Delicious Library is the gold standard for home library management as far as I'm concerned.

    4. Re:Delicious Library by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Even though this only works on Macs it is still the best software for the job.

      Only if the guy has a Mac.

      Otherwise, it's as useless as tits on a boar.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    5. Re:Delicious Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is /.

      Cross-platform open source is implied by pretty much any software recommendation.

    6. Re:Delicious Library by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      I second this opinion. Works so so so well, and is quite full featured. I also use it to inventory my Lego collection (wrote a plugin to query the Peeron database instead of Amazon).

  8. QR Codes and ISBNS by DownWithTheMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simplest solution - use the ISBNs - plenty of bar code scanning apps exist to scan these in... For books without the ISBNs - create your own QR codes to catalog/scan them all...

    1. Re:QR Codes and ISBNS by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      For books without the ISBNs - create your own QR codes to catalog/scan them all...

      From the GP

  9. Books by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Informative

    legacy.audacious-software.com/products/books/

    I've used this for years. Hold the book up to the camera to ID it. Easiest way to do this is via ISBN -- you can always create your own barcodes for the books that don't have them, and affix these somehow (I affix inside with acid-free glue, this may be sacrilegious to some). Otherwise, you can use an image recognition module. Contains complete check in/out functionality and is open source.

    I've been thinking that there should be some way to add a plugin for Calibre that can do all of this too, but Books already does everything I want.

    1. Re:Books by geekoid · · Score: 1

      sigh.
      Just take a picture of the book cover, note it's title and copyright date, give it an id in the database.
      The just do an image match.
      No need to doctor the books.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Books by Coffeesloth · · Score: 1

      Nice... Now I only have to spend an additional 1 to 2 thousand to buy the computer to run it on... :-)

  10. Delicious Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://delicious-monster.com

  11. KISS by alphax45 · · Score: 1

    Do what I do: Buy some Ikea bookshelves and put them in alphabetical order by author.

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    K Man
  12. Adhesive is destructive by reimero · · Score: 2

    If you're dealing with rare or valuable books, I'd forego RFID. The adhesive on security tape and RFID tags is somewhat acidic and ultimately destructive. You have to balance the desire for security with the desire not to harm the books. But any adhesive is somewhat destructive, by its very nature.

    RFID equipment is also less than cheap. I think in small numbers, you're looking at about $0.60 per tag, and the equipment itself is a few hundred dollars for encoding and sensitizing/desensitizing.

    I work in a library, and these are discussions we have regarding rare and collectible books.

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    1. Re:Adhesive is destructive by reimero · · Score: 1

      I should probably follow up with additional information. Modern library systems are very complex, very sophisticated and very expensive. Frankly, I would recommend following a logical sorting pattern and relying on a good old-fashioned barcode solution (if you're gonna put stickers on your books anyway.) But modern libraries face numerous similar challenges, and we have to deal with a degree of "good enough." We generally follow call number order and shelf lists, and have people trained to maintain the order of books in the stacks. Even with a relatively small personal collection, it's a significant undertaking.

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    2. Re:Adhesive is destructive by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Most rare and collectible books are also never lent out except between libraries and museums. The destructive non-librarian humans tend to damage such books as they don't know how to properly take care of it.

      I would say for those rare books, use a cover (if it isn't there already) and put stuff ON that cover. RFID's are just a fancy bar-code, useful only if you don't have or don't want an optical readout.

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  13. BTDT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have about 6000 books. Some of them are quite old (passing the century mark). Many of them (about 1400 that I know of) lack bar codes or ISBNs.

    I've been down this road before.

    After a few fancy tries, I got lazy and loaded an android app called Book Catalog on an old phone. It does everything I need, though I wish it had a way of syncing databases across multiple devices. I manually enter those I can't scan. I don't bother with bar codes. I identify by name, author, date, and location (shelf, room). I keep the books in order on the shelves. I pay attention when re-shelving them. A little bit of self discipline goes a LONG way.

    In all honesty I haven't got everything catalogged yet, but I'm in the...checking...2788 range. I enter anything new I pick up (both so I don't get further behind and to avoid duplication) and scan/enter a few books at a time whenever I'm in an OCD mood.

  14. RFIDs? What? by bmo · · Score: 1

    Barcodes are cheap and easy to print out on Avery labels. Barcode readers are cheap and easy to use. Hell, there was a time when a company *gave away* barcode readers. You may remember Cuecat. I still have mine.

    And now that you're turning up your nose at barcodes, consider that large libraries have been using barcodes for decades now. They are proven technology.

    As for organization, you can look to the Library of Congress for that. The Library of Congress indexing system is a proven system for small and large libraries. Indeed, the LOC number is typically printed next to the ISBN on the copyright page.

    Software? For a home sized library, a flat file database should be enough.

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    BMO

  15. Old-school + Tech-cool by srussia · · Score: 1

    Physically arrange them on an aesthetic (binding style, size) basis. If you truly know your books, you can find them Gestalt-wise.

    Index them as e-books (download from PG or PB). Helps with content-wise referencing, e-lending.

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  16. Shelves - Android by UranusHertz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I use Shelves for Android to keep track of all my Books, DVD, Games, what not.

    It has functions for loaning out materials and uses the barcode scanner software you install on your phone or tablet device.

    Shelves at Google Play

    1. Re:Shelves - Android by BlueScreenOfTOM · · Score: 1

      I'd like to take a moment to plug a competing Android app, mostly 'cuz I wrote it :-)

      It's called My Media Catalog, and it is also capable of cataloging all kinds of media. The interface isn't quite as pretty as some competitors, but I took a lot of time incorporating multiple barcode lookup databases into the service, so my users tend to find barcode/ISBN scanning to be much more accurate. I also try to be very available to customers to answer questions and feature requests; there are many users that mention this in the feedback. Definitely worth a shot, especially if you have lots of rare books/media, or stuff from other countries.

      My Media Catalog at Google Play

  17. Gift books by raydobbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps Bill Adama had it right - give books to people, never lend them. Then you can't get upset if they never make it back to you.

    1. Re:Gift books by chaynlynk · · Score: 1

      I prefer this method. The book isn't helping anyone by sitting on a shelf.

    2. Re:Gift books by geekoid · · Score: 1

      But how else will I compensate for my penis size?

      I mean [INSERT VAGUE MEANING EXCUSE HERE].

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  18. The software approach by spinster · · Score: 1

    I once used Readerware [http://www.readerware.com/index.php] to catalog all of my books. At the time, I had around 400. I found, however, that I was too lazy to keep track of the ones I lent to people. These days, I only lend the ones I don't mind never seeing again.

    You can also use Google Books [http://books.google.com/googlebooks/mylibrary/] to keep track of your home library. Again, I have been too ADD to finish the entire catalog. I only keep track of the science books on there...

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  19. Polaroid Should Die? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, a polaroid? Really? Just let the out dated technology die.

    [SARCASM]Yea, it's way better to use a phone or digital camera to take a picture, process it through Instagram or some other app, print it on your printer...[/SARCASM]

    Where as with a Polaroid you point click and it spits out an Instagrammy paper print. Done.

    Just because the technology is old doesn't mean that it is bad

    Just because the technology is new doesn't mean that it is good.

    Really!

    1. Re:Polaroid Should Die? by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Polaroid licensed Instagram for their cameras?

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    2. Re:Polaroid Should Die? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Why a physical copy? Just put it in the database.

      Physical copies. sheesh.

      also:
      Just because the technology is old doesn't mean that it is good

      Just because the technology is new doesn't mean that it is bad.

      I can make fortune cookie level statements too!

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:Polaroid Should Die? by Githaron · · Score: 1

      If you are using the picture as a placeholder, why would you need to wait for it to develop?

  20. Librarything.com by ScottyKUtah · · Score: 3, Informative
    I have over 750 books in my library, and I use Librarything.com. $10 per year, or $25 for life.

    Best way to add books is to type in the ISBN, then the website searches online databases, to include Amazon.

    You can also add tags to your books, like fiction, non-fiction, read, not read, etc.

    Every book I read this year gets a "2012" tag, so I'll always know how many books I read in a given year.

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    He who laughs last is at 300 baud.
    1. Re:Librarything.com by SilverJets · · Score: 1

      Another vote for librarything.com

      I find the web accessibility part the best. That way when I'm in a bookstore I can check and see if:
      1) I already have the book in my library
      2) What books I need to complete a series by a particular author

  21. Dewey by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

    Just stick with the Dewey decimal system. It's worked since 1876.

    1. Re:Dewey by Niteshade · · Score: 1

      It's also a pain in the ass, and was designed for 1876.

  22. Tax Deduction Solution by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    1) Donate all items to library
    2) Get a library card

    They will keep track of everything for you, and you can deduct the value of the items on your taxes

  23. librarians tend to use Library Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.librarything.com/

  24. lend them, or get over it by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    If you're reluctant to lend them, don't. If you do lend, them, accept that you might not get them back. Technology is not the solution to this problem.

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  25. We get it. Lots of books. You must be smart. by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    Yeah, geeks tend to measure their intelligence by how many books they own.

    "if I decide to lend one"

    I take that to mean you aren't already loaning them. I suspect you'll find you won't be loaning many, because who's going to look at your collection when they could look at the library, or since you'll have things potentially interesting to geeks, they'll be looking to buy their own so they can increase their apparent intelligence. Mostly, though, you're the only one who cares about your collection of books. Don't try to one-up your geeky friends in this very personal thing. They won't like it.

    So, keep it simple. A pad of paper, in case you loan any. Because you won't be loaning many.

  26. Best Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a lot of books, I also have ebooks, pdf files of all types. My solution is calibre - E-book management. Create a check-out column and just type in a persons name when you loan it out. To input a book, type the ISBN and it searches the interest for the information and a book cover picture.
    Check it out!

  27. book covers and bar codes by martyb · · Score: 2

    I would go with good ol` fashion "bunch o` lines" bar codes. Easy to make yourself, should be easy to attach to a book (or not, maybe just have it loose between the cover and first page), lots of cheap readers and most just emulate a keyboard so easy to interface with. From there I'd probably throw together a little home brew. What you are asking for does not really sound complicated, the software side sounds like a weekend project for just the basic requirements. Even if you just do it as a basic web app. Be sure to add a title based search for if the barcode gets lost, so the bar code just becomes a convenience and not a requirement to use,

    Good suggestions!

    For those books which lack a bar code on the jacket, make a book cover and apply the bar code to THAT. (Was a rite of passage every school year as a child that we'd make book covers for all our books. By ten-years-old, I was doing all my books unassisted. We just used paper grocery bags, but you could certainly use some kind of low-acid paper if you'd prefer.)

    As for constructing a bar code, there's free bar-code software out there (I've used pbmupc). The basic format is a 1-digit type, a 5-digit manufacturer code, a 5-digit product code, and a check digit. Create a manufacturer code that's reserved for your non-UPC'd books (31337 would be cool, but I think it might already be taken), and then just use a sequence number to identify the individual books.

    Lastly, have fun! It's certainly a more interesting project than writing a "hello world" program!

    1. Re:book covers and bar codes by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Hey now. I once wrote a 1200 line c program just to display "hello, worlf!"

      yes, "worlf".

      If someone could look at that code and figure out what it does in 5 minutes, I would consider them a guru.

      --
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    2. Re:book covers and bar codes by martyb · · Score: 1

      Hey now. I once wrote a 1200 line c program just to display "hello, worlf!

      "yes, "worlf".

      LOL! (Wipes coffee from screen)

      Nice try at Klingon, but I think you misspelled the commander's name?!

      If someone could look at that code and figure out what it does in 5 minutes, I would consider them a guru.

      Sounds like fun! Can you provide a link so we can see? I'm struggling to imagine how in the world it could take 1200 lines! Long ago, I stumbled upon a huge hello world program that used "standard" code for arg parsing internationalization, localization, etc. but I don't recall it being anywhere near THAT large!

      Thanks again for the laugh!

  28. Try Collectorz.com? by Xveers · · Score: 3, Informative

    The software I use is done by a Dutch company called Collectorz (Yes, it sounds VERY reputable). It's one of the few bits of software I've genuinely felt worth purchasing for the value. It does pretty much everything you are looking at, cleanly and effectively. It allows you to export databases in a variety of formats, and has a matching app for android and apple products.

    It does the classic things like search Amazon for books, either by ISBN or author/title, but it can also hit the Library of Congress as well as several other major national libaries (I know it does the UK as well as Canada). Multiple hits on a single ISBN/title let you select which you import in, and there's a wide selection of data tags you can use, as well as several user defined fields

    One thing you may find useful is that the book assigns, in addition to everything else, a unique ID number to each book, which can be used in lieu of a barcode or more cumbersome ID method.

    1. Re:Try Collectorz.com? by Xadam · · Score: 1

      I'll second Book Collector. Connect, mobile apps, and the ability to export html and text make the database very portable.

  29. Sort by topic by byrtolet · · Score: 1

    Sort the books by topic. If you have a lot of books on the same topic sort by subtopic.

  30. Koha by cycler · · Score: 2

    Koha http://www.koha.org/ is an open-source library catalog.
    It has circulation and database. Use barcodes or RFIDs on the books (the tip of extra cover is good).

    Many real libraries use Koha for their library database and circulation.

    YMMV

    /C

  31. How many will you lend out? by houghi · · Score: 2

    How many do you think you are going to lend out? To how many people? Be realistic. Making a card per person and write in the book they lend and when might be easier.

    On a card you just write the name of the person. Then when lending out a book, write down the name of the book, the author and the date. Then when they bring it back, fill that out.

    I would go for a per-person approach and not a per book approach as libraries do it, because you will most likely have less people then books.

    Having it on paper and not electronically will make it easier to use for the next 50 to 100 years. No real reason to update. Instead of cards, a paper notebook would do the trick as well.

    You can even use it for other members in the family to keep record who read what and when. Nice to look at in many years time.

    I would not go with anything electronic. Just make sure that you know what kind of notebook you want, need and how many columns you need. An extra is that other people will be able to use it when you are no longer alive. That way they can get the books back (if they want to) without any knowledge of the way databases work at that time.

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  32. Re:RFIDs? What? by gauauu · · Score: 1

    these days, most people already have a barcode reader in their pocket

    Except many of those are pretty crappy for standard 2d barcodes. My phone (and others I've played with) do great for QR codes and a few other "newer" types of barcodes, but are painfully slow and difficult to get to scan older barcodes.

    Our library has a phone-based checkout system, where I can use their app on my phone to scan book barcodes for "quick" checkout. But it turns out that the minute of fiddling with the distance/lighting/angle to scan the barcode just isn't worth it. I've had the same trouble with an inventory-tracking app I've been working on for the workplace. Phone cameras are just pretty poor at scanning/parsing most 2d barcode stickers.

  33. Goodreads by slapout · · Score: 3, Informative

    "(Note: Scanning ISBNs with a hand-held barcode scanner is not an option, as many books are old (pre-ISBN) or special editions)."

    I recently scanned all my books (~250) into a Goodreads account using an Android app. Only a couple of dozen or so didn't have ISBNs. And for those I just typed in the name and it was able to find the book. I believe there is also an option for adding a book if Goodreads can't find it.

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  34. gcstar did the job for me by anarcat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did the inventory of my 500+ book collection here and while it took a few days, the upkeep is minimal, and gcstar allows me to also keep track of people I lend the book to. The interface is awful, but it does connect to Amazon and so on to get book details, including cover pictures, if you have an ISBN. If you don't, then it's likely that Amazon doesn't carry it and you'll have to enter the details by hand anyways, but that's still fairly easy.

    I do not label the books with stickers, RFID or bar codes of any kind. I simply rely on the book name for reference, and since I have very few duplicate books, this usually works. Duplicates can usually be told apart by printing dates or something similar. The library itself is physically arranged by loosely defined categories - I did *not* bother with Dewey.

    I have written a complete article about this that may be useful to you. You may also want to contribute to that wiki page which compares different software offering.

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    1. Re:gcstar did the job for me by SilverJets · · Score: 1

      Too bad your web search didn't lead you to http://librarything.com/

    2. Re:gcstar did the job for me by anarcat · · Score: 1

      part of my spec was to be able to access the data offline, as I care about my privacy...

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  35. DDS for me by kellybc · · Score: 1

    I use the Dewey Decimal System for my non-fiction books and alpha-by-author's last name (with chronological for series) for fiction. A simple spreadsheet with DDS#, Title, Author, Shelf/Room, Loaned To, and Loaned On does the organization for me. I could print out barcodes and get a scanner if I wanted to get fancy. For my ebooks, I back them up into Non-Fiction or Fiction folders with the non-fiction subfolders being subject (science, history, etc) and the subfolders for fiction being author's name.

  36. I thought by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    we were still using cue cats!

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    1. Re:I thought by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

      I was planning on inventorying my fridge this way, but it didn't work with my PS2 to USB adaptor :(

    2. Re:I thought by Pope · · Score: 1

      I actually bought a CueCat to scan my DVDs and CDs into Delicious Library, and found it faster to just type the damn bar code numbers in by hand.

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  37. Re:Digitize The Collection! by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Much better then just downloading from a torrent~

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  38. Re:RFIDs? What? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Then you have bad luck. The bar code reader I use read every barcode nearly instantaneously.
    And I use mine many times a week.

    I used mine to demo an inventory system back end becasue the actual barcode reader was broken. It was a second to read a 2 d barcode. It does all the adjusting.

    And I don't know what's up with your library, but we can do the barcode checkout in seconds.

    hmm
    No phone you use works right.
    The library system doesn't work right when you use is.
    odd.
    On a completely unrelated note, when everyone around you is always crazy, you are probably the crazy one. I'[m not sure why the popped into my head.

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  39. Re:KISS by geekoid · · Score: 1

    then when you lend one. just put a 3x5 card with the person name on it sticking out in the place where the book would go.

    I mean:
    Use 1000 dollars worth of technology and give yourself another maintenance chore~

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  40. Index cards by nbauman · · Score: 2

    A tested technology.

  41. Re:Digitize The Collection! by angelbar · · Score: 1

    Dont forget to ask it to return de "original" digital book after some time...

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  42. iPhone and MyStuff2 by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

    Got an iPhone? There's a personal inventory app called MyStuff2 ($5.00) that I use for a whole lot of things, and it already comes with "Books" as a category. When you're adding items, it can use the camera for a barcode scanner and look up your titles on Amazon; it then automatically populates fields like title, author, publisher, genre, page count, edition, ISBN, publication date, and cover photo. For books that don't have a barcode, you can manually type the ISBN. Or you can enter all the data manually.

    Once an item is in the database, there are action codes you can select. Item Lent is built in by default, and records the current date. It's up to you to type in the name and info of the borrower. When you view a loaned item, there's a convenient "return item" button to tap.

    You can browse the list of all items in an action state, such as "lent" or "returned".

    The program is very flexible. You can modify the database schema, adding other data you might find useful, like price, vendor, condition, notes, or what have you. You can modify the actions as well. For example, I modified the "lent to" field of the Loan Item activity to be an address book contact field instead of a typed name. So when I look at the loaned item list, I can tap on an item, tap on the contact, then tap dial to call them.

    The app supports importing and exporting data a few different ways (CSV, Excel, PDF, HTML) so you can work with it on a separate machine. It can use all kinds of tools to back up the databases, including Box, Dropbox, iCloud, or you can FTP it to your own systems. And it's always with you, which is great if you're just out and about and happen into a book store.

    I also have other categories of stuff in the database. I keep data about all of our home appliances and electronics in there, with information about warranties, repair history, replacement parts, and maintenance schedules.

    I originally bought it to keep track of our orchid collection, but it's proven very useful for all kinds of home inventory needs. Best $5.00 app I ever bought.

    http://www.maddysoft.com/iphone/mystuff/

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  43. Passive RFID tags by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Passive RFID tags can have a lifespan of 20+ years. Source: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/technology-article.asp?artnum=47
    They're also dirt cheap.

    1. Re:Passive RFID tags by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      OR, don't most books already have an isbn barcode on them? You could duplicate the barcode with your printer to attach to the spines and use the smartphone you (probably) already have to scan them with already available free software. No need to input data for the barcodes since they're already tied to that particular book!

  44. Collectorz by VonSkippy · · Score: 1

    http://www.collectorz.com/book/

    I've used both their Book and Movie apps for several years.

    For the book collection (with just under 8000 in four sections: technical/non-fiction/fiction/collectable) I have a relatively cheap (i.e. $120) cordless bar code scanner.

    I've just moved my Video collection (around 700 dvd's) from their PC Application to their Cloud app (which I have mixed feelings about. Nice to have it on the cloud and shareable, don't have to worry about updates or backing up, but lose a handful of useful features - like loaning and list printing).

  45. Alexandria by Sodki · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one mentioned Alexandria yet: http://alexandria.rubyforge.org/

  46. How my wife did it by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Some 20 years ago I married an Interior Designer. One day I came home from work and she was excited "come look at what I did!". Head into the office and my 2 large bookcases had been reorganized by book size and color :(

    Took me about 3 months to get them back in their proper order, and she never understood why I didn't like her method.

  47. take it from a librarian: your plan is overkill by ffflala · · Score: 2
    I wouldn't bother with Dewey or LOC call numbering, unless your collection approaches 10,000 or more books (about 800 shelf fee), or unless you want to be able to search your collection by subject heading. Just use alphanumeric ordering, either by title or author last name. Whichever you choose, decide ahead of time on the exceptions --whether to ignore titles that begin with articles (A, An, The), if compilations should default to editor or first listed author, etc. Have an exceptional shelving area for oversized books (anything that can't be faced on your normal shelves, see below.)

    This requirement makes things more difficult for you:

    Finally, as many of the books are old folios or fairly precious first editions, everything must be non-destructive and should be removable without damage to the books if need be.

    RFID tags, barcodes, and stickers are nifty and serve useful purposes, but they usually cannot be removed from a surface without causing damage, particularly after the adhesive has cured. So you're talking custom book jackets for every book. Given your reluctance to go with RFID, think optical, such as UPC codes or QR codes... but carefully consider their purpose. It sounds like you basically just want to keep track of lending books out. It doesn't sound like you need subject searching capabilities for your collection, and it doesn't sound like you'll be circulating thousands of titles per year. So what would take less time over the remainder of your life span: manually entering a title and the borrower's name into a calendar (w/ a reminder set to go off after a ~4 weeks) a few times a year, or creating thousands of book jackets, cataloging the data, and syncing it with QR codes... then manually entering the name of the borrower? Or will you create a circulation account, and give your friends cards, as well? (You'll still need to enter their personal info once, anyway.)

    So keep track of the physical collection this way: face your books. This means align them so that the spines rest at the edge of the shelf (rather than pushing them as far back as they can go.) While it won't fool a careful book thief, most people don't even notice when a shelf is faced. When shelved this way, it's easy to see what books have been dislodged. Keep track of your circulation by just entering borrower name/title into a google calendar as a future appointment, and have it set to email/text you a reminder to get it back.

    1. Re:take it from a librarian: your plan is overkill by Taxman415a · · Score: 1

      This is probably the best comment. Only other thing I would say is that If you really do want a catalog for your books and a checkout system for a sense of organization and security, then adding custom jackets or loops for the books that don't have ISBN/barcodes is a workable solution. It's certainly no worse than RFID tags since those would have to be glued on just the same as a barcode. The jacket, if made out of acid free paper, would also protect the book. Bar or QR codes would certainly be the easiest, fastest, cheapest way to catalog your books. If you don't want to make jackets for all your books that don't have ISBN's people here have mentioned bookmarks with a code on it. Another way is a loop around the front or back cover with the bar or QR code on it. If the loop was made tight enough, it would stay in place better than a bookmark and be much easier to make than a jacket. Just make it wide enough to include all the information you want and be quickly readable by whatever scanner you use. A loop also wouldn't affect the shelf aesthetics like a full jacket would.

      Finally, there are a large number of library software systems that would be suitable for home use, including open source ones. Many have been mentioned in comments, but there are far more out there. You may want to do some searching to find the one most suitable for you. Here are some links to get you started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_computer_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_library_and_information_science_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Library_and_information_science_software

    2. Re:take it from a librarian: your plan is overkill by Taxman415a · · Score: 1

      Oh and I found the last slashdot discussion about library software. A lot of options were discussed. http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/01/05/0415249/ask-slashdot-tech-for-small-library-automation

  48. Locval library is not the best option by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    Even if you donate to the library, they are not obligated to add them to the collection. If a number of your books are pre-ISBN that pretty well guarantees they will not. They need contemporary books people want to read. Unless they are a university or archival library, they are not interested in keeping old stuff. They'll just booksale the stuff they don't want.

    librarything.com is a pretty easy way to get your books cataloged. I use it for my collection of over 2,000 books. Calaloging is not just a matter of finding a Dewy number and sticking it on there. MARC (Machine Readable Catalog) is a very intensive and complex method of tagging everything from size to subjects. The neat thing about librarything is that once you get your books in there, with as minimal effort as possible, you can downlad a comma delimited file of the full record to import into any system you want. Cataloging is intensive and time consuming so you want someone else to do the bulk of the work. Don't underestimate the amount of work involved here.

    If you REALLY want a serious library automation system there are a couple of open source systems out there: Koha.org is one and Evergreen (open-ils.org) is another. These are real and complex systems with OPAC (Online Public Access Catalog), check-in/out, etc. I wouldn't do this unless you were really hard core.

    Google home library software and you will find a ton of stuff.

    P.S. I worked in the library automation field for about 30 years as one of the first "systems librarians."

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  49. Simple by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Marry a librarian, and just leave your books around. A system will develop.

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  50. tellico: a reasonably good book library manager by akunak · · Score: 1

    http://tellico-project.org/

    I own around 3000 books and have used it for several years. It may not do everything you want, but it is probably close.

  51. Buy some GOOD shelving by jampola · · Score: 1

    Proper indexing (0-9, A-Z, by genre) and Libreoffice Calc/Excel will go a long way! At least if you need to import your data into SQL or something, you can easily do it from an spreadsheet.

    Also some proper shelving that isn't too deep will go a long way to ensure all the spines are visible. If this sounds too low tech for you, then go ahead and print out your QR or Barcodes.

  52. Web server with a script and a cron job by Niteshade · · Score: 1
    Come up with some classification system that works for you.
    1. Don't organize by color... my wife did this to me once, and I could never find things again.
    2. Don't use a library-strength scheme like Dewey, LoC or Cutter... you'll kill yourself later. I promise.
    3. It's much easier to split things into bookstore classification: by general subject, then by author, then by title... but if something else makes sense for you, then do that instead. After all: this is your library.
    4. If you want to give ID numbers to each book, don't get too hung up on order: this is just a way to find the book in a database. It only needs to make sense to a computer.

    Make yourself a basic SQLite database, maybe hosted on a PHP server or whatever you dig. I like Sinatra. After that, the interface is just a matter of how much pizzazz you want to add, and if you want it to be public.

    Once you have items tagged with an ID number, saved in your trusty database, you can play with metadata. For something simple, try Dublin Core. If you want to show your collection to the world, try Omeka.

    After that, you're going to need a script with reminders for people that inevitably will want to read your book. Every time a person borrows a book, make the script use cron to email them every week, to remind you to give it back.

  53. Re:Koha by cycler · · Score: 1

    I'll submit myself to some push-ups as punishment for bad research.
    I thought the site looked odd for an open-source project.

    I should have consulted our librarian for the correct link.
    Apologies for this.

    /C

  54. Re:Koha by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    Koha is a good call. Many libraries use it. It might be overpowered for such as small collection, but it does work well with collections of any size, even in multiple languages. However, one point to make is that the original Koha domain got poached by squatters. The original project is now available at a new domain, Koha-Community.org.

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  55. BookCat by PadRacerExtreme · · Score: 1

    I have been using BookCAT by FMProgramvare for years. Supports loan information and checkin/checkout.
    http://www.fnprg.com/bookcat/
    Even a cool add-on called CatWEB to put your collection online:
    http://www.lotsocds.com/

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    1. Re:BookCat by Psyko · · Score: 1

      Bump for bookcat. A few years back I started using it, I was getting into a situation where I had purchased a couple of books I already owned and wanted to start keeping track of them all. Started with a spreadsheet for simple search. Got tired of maintaining it, then transitioned to this.

      Process for physical books is now:
                Buy book
                When it arrives, scan the barcode with an android phone, put the book away.
                Import the isbn into Bookcat, then bookcat downloads the cover/metadata etc for it
                Update location field, any other metrics you want to keep, price paid, condition for used etc.

      Then you've got a nice searchable index. It's made for small libraries so it does have the loan & check in/check out functionality as well, and I think it's like $40?

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  56. Re:Search, and storage by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I can store literally MILLIONS of E-books on a modern portable hard drive if I wish.

    Even the most voracious readers only get through twenty or thirty thousand books in their entire lifetime.

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  57. Organization by tilante · · Score: 1

    I organize mine much like a bookstore:

    Fiction goes alphabetical by author. Within a particular author, arranged by title or series and number in series. Anthologies by name of editor; multi-author series are a separate section, arranged by series title and number in series. Fiction all together is about two bookcases, thanks to a large culling that happened when I had to move after a divorce, so I don't feel a need to separate by genre.

    Non-fiction is organized more loosely, but books on the same subject are together. If a single subject starts to occupy more than one shelf, then it's generally time to start subdividing it more finely (e.g., my dozen-odd dinosaur books are a category, but my computer books are divided into programming, security, operating systems, and other finer divisions, since I have about three shelves of a bookcase of "computer books").

    My RPGs are arranged by title and edition, except for xD&D, which gets its own section arranged by edition and core/non-core/3rd-party supplement status.

  58. readerware for most platforms by multicsfan · · Score: 1

    I like readerware which also has programs to handle cd's and dvd's ad if you ave the isbn to download most of the information from te net.

    http://www.readerware.com/ witch is Available for Windows, Linux, Mac OS X and Android. Not free, but I like it.

    I have an older version that allows me to export to a old palm so I can take a copy with me when I go book shopping.