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Saudi Arabia Implements Electronic Tracking System For Women
dsinc writes "Denied the right to travel without consent from their male guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements. Since last week, Saudi women's male guardians began receiving text messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody leave the country, even if they are travelling together. 'The authorities are using technology to monitor women,' said columnist Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the 'state of slavery under which women are held' in the ultra-conservative kingdom. Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the 'yellow sheet' at the airport or border."
When South Africa did this (to black people, rather than women), under Apartheid, the civilised world rightly condemned it, and imposed trade sanctions.
Where are the trade embargoes on Saudi Arabia? They're in contravention of the UN declaration of Human Rights.
We need to get our fracking industry going full bore, convert all semi's to use it, and get to where we import 0% oil from anywhere. Let China and Russia keep the straights of Hormuz clear. Let the Saudies fall back into the decrepit 3rd world pit it deserves to be.
Those are electronic devices with some embedded communication device.
Do you need more fun that that?
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
The "service" has been in operation since 2010 and it applies to all "dependents" which includes children, contracted laborers, etc. See: http://riyadhbureau.com/blog/2012/11/saudi-women-tracking. As offensive as the Saudi gov't policies are, getting half the story isn't going to help matters.
I'm guessing about half the population doesn't like this idea. But that half can't vote so who cares about them.
Have you seen what has been going on in Indonesia lately?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
... if you let the insane Muslims invade them.
Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter. In their own country. France is not alone here. It's spreading across Europe.
These are generally not people who assimilate into their new culture melting-pot style. These are people who take over by having a drastically superior birth rate.
I'll give the Muslims credit for one thing - they're smart in that realistic sense, same way the Chinese are. They won't fuck over their own nations with psychotic immigration policies just to prove how "inclusive" they are. We do. Perhaps they deserve to survive in a way that we don't.
No culture that doesn't preserve itself has ever survived, big surprise there. No, valuing and preserving your own culture is NOT wrong in any way and feeling guilty about that is just the kind of plain insanity that's so common these days. It's only wrong if you try to stop someone else from doing the same.
Muslim countries didn't sign UN declaration of Human Rights because they perceived it as not compatible with Islam. Although these countries got own version of Human Rights declaration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam
- kill them all
This is the best of all of those solutions. Think about it .. it doesn't take any resources at all to implement, and in a generation or so Saudi Arabia will have totally cured itself of all those pesky upstart women!
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it could actually start a ...
pussy riot!
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Firstly, genetics isn't the only form of hereditary. Cultural values are transmitted from parents to children - including attitudes to women. Secondly, the GP was talking about Muslims, which is a religious group, not a racial group.
So, yeah, you're stupid on two counts.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
Too bad you need the shit they export in huge quantities, eh?
Well played, but I'd like to point out that my family does not own a car - we go around mostly by bike or walking (I commute to work by bicycle every workday, even in winter). For the rare occasions that we need to go further than 20 Km, we use public transport. So, while we do use hydrocarbons indirectly (various polymers and other chemicals), we're trying to minimize it by not having a car and recycling plastics.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Unfortunately things such as this reflect the will of much of the population there...
I doubt that. Out of the entire population, only 20% are Saudi citizens (the rest are migrant workers with no say in anything). Out of that 20%, less than half are women. So this means, that this new system is being supported by less than 10% of the population.
In fact the saudi arabian government has expiremented with loosening the laws on women but have been met with death threats and back lash from the population from trying such things.
Death threats? Obama gets death threats and back lash from the far-right every day. That doesn't mean he lets them set the agenda.
Face it. Saudi Arabia is a highly hierarchical structure. The minority in power do not want to let go any of its power. That's why we're getting laws like that one.
I'm no feminist, but this is unjust and stupid
It's also hilarious how the USA are all over supposed human rights in Russia and Belarus where people live with dignity, and overlook insane places like the Saudi Arabia is.
It's not racism, just an observation that parents usually teach children values similar to their own.
It may surprise people but.... Saudi has ALWAYS had this system of tracking women.
As a child, when I left the country to visit my grandparents, accompanied by my mother, we had to be legally escorted to the airport and signed out by my dad, on re-entry we were re-checked into my dad's care.
We were westerners living under the same rules as the locals. This was as far back as early 80s... the system has been in play forever. This is merely a modernisation of the system. I'm not saying I agree with the practice but, this is hardly headline news as its simply an upgrade to rules and methods for applying those rules that have been in play for a long long time.
Why is it only now, when computers get involved that people are having issues with the basic concept? It was widely unknown it appears when the system was paperbased.
Expat Brat.
The GP clearly does not think religion is genetically transmitted. he was accusing the GPP of thinking that religion is genetically transmitted.
Which is pretty stupid, since the GP said nothing about genetics.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
If I had to guess, I'd say ash and felt?
When Israel engages in ethnic cleansing
If Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing, why are they sending food and medical supplies into Gaza?
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/21/matt-gurney-while-hamas-fires-rockets-israel-delivers-food-and-medicine/
"... let's just tell all of their women to come to the West where they will be appreciated."
How, pray tell, can they do that without permission from their (slave?) masters?
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
We don't need it, we've chosen to use it. We have other options. TPTB have chosen this path for us.
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Bullshit. If Israel were as evil as the Arab propagandists claim, there wouldn't have been any palestinians left by 1950.
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bio diesel industry is wrong, the benefits you get are obscured by:
- food scarcity
- goverment bonuses to big farmer and big evil (insert monsanto/whatever here)
- patent trolls
- CO positive, because mass farming is OIL intensive industry
- lowest return on the barrel ever
- ecological destruction of habitats
etc etc etc... just go read about it!
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Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter. In their own country.
You're quite right, and is the list of them as they stand right now.
Om, nomnomnom...
Women there are treated like children. But we can't get too high and mighty here. Women only got the right to vote in the US in 1920.
On the other hand, as far as I can tell, never in non-Muslim cultures have women been forced to cover themselves from head to toe, with only their eyes visible. Or not allowed to leave the house without a male custodian. That's a unique curiosity only found in portions of the Muslim world.
Evil will always win because good is dumb?
Good-bye
I know right, they had to bring in IBM to help them caculate more effecient methods.
Good-bye
...taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You are very courageous behind that keyboard, young master.
Next time tell this to a Saudi man in a face.
as long as you treat half of your society like cattle, you are never going to have a happy, prosperous, or just culture.
Yes, I know: "honor," "dignity." Well why don't you let your women take care of that for themselves on their own.
The Chinese, the Indians, the Americans, the Europeans, they will advance. And you will fester. Because of your poor choices.
Regards,
the rest of the world
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The fact of the matter is that Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have high rates of population GROWTH, as do Israeli Arabs, which by itself puts paid to the ridiculous claim that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing. The fact that Israel admits over 100,000 Palestinians from Gaza, Judea, and Samaria for medical care (provided at no charge if the PA does not pay for it) every year is also inconsistent with the claim of ethnic cleansing. Jordan has killed far more Palestinians that Israel ever has.
They're just one step from taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I suspect they may already have gotten to that.
I've often wondered, after all the US' TLAs have done (South & Central America (United Fruit/Chiquita Banana), Cuba (Bay of Pigs), S. E. Asia (VietNam), The Cold War, ...), why hasn't sufficient provocation been found yet for the US military to roll over Saudi Arabia? Grenada and Panama ranked, so why not SA? They couldn't hope to stop the US. You'd think it would be a drop dead simple (practically bloodless coup even) solution to "The Troubles" in the Middle East. Forget Iran; blow away the House of Saud, and doesn't that area become a lot more friendly for everyone, including Iran and Israel? Doesn't Saudi Arabia have a lot of oil, after all? It'd even pee off Pakistan and Indonesia, woohoo!
Does Prince Bandar have pics of JFK raping kittens and puppies or something?!?
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
> Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter.
Bullshit, the reason why the police is afraid to enter is that they are run by gangs (selling drugs usually).
The religion has nothing to do with it.
Balls, the police weren't afraid to enter - Sarko destroyed the "police de proximité", giving all the cash to his blue eyed boys in the "Brigade Anit Criminalité" who spent all their time running around like the cowboys they were, ending up shaking down the drug dealers for cash.
10 years of right wing authoritarian blather and reductions in police man power are what let the situation get to where it is now.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
ALL dependants are covered: women, Children (both boys and girls) *and* all workers whose work visa you have given.
If they are on your ID card (women and children don't get separate ID cards) or their Passport (as their "kafeel" caretaker, or visa giver, as it were), you need the Saudi man's permission to leave, and they will now be informed of it.
I think this system was made for the "worker" part of the category in mind; they want to know where their slaves^H^H^H^H^H^H are going, and if they are escaping. Poor labourers are practically indentured slaves, kept in live via the sword of heavy debt; I have know people try to escape by leaving everything behind with just the clothes on their backs. This is to prevent that.
Make of it as you will.
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I would if I weren't so creeped out by this Saudi gent being in a face.
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We call it asphalt here.
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