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Saudi Arabia Implements Electronic Tracking System For Women
dsinc writes "Denied the right to travel without consent from their male guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements. Since last week, Saudi women's male guardians began receiving text messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody leave the country, even if they are travelling together. 'The authorities are using technology to monitor women,' said columnist Badriya al-Bishr, who criticised the 'state of slavery under which women are held' in the ultra-conservative kingdom. Women are not allowed to leave the kingdom without permission from their male guardian, who must give his consent by signing what is known as the 'yellow sheet' at the airport or border."
"heh, let's just tell all of their women to come to the West where they will be appreciated." said a John Forbes from Chicago Illinois while he was filling up his SUV with 60 gallons of premium gas.
When South Africa did this (to black people, rather than women), under Apartheid, the civilised world rightly condemned it, and imposed trade sanctions.
Where are the trade embargoes on Saudi Arabia? They're in contravention of the UN declaration of Human Rights.
We need to get our fracking industry going full bore, convert all semi's to use it, and get to where we import 0% oil from anywhere. Let China and Russia keep the straights of Hormuz clear. Let the Saudies fall back into the decrepit 3rd world pit it deserves to be.
There's a number of cheaper solutions. /. should be discarded by the "automatic moderator overlord".
- put them in chains at home
- put them in jail
- chain them to their male guardian
- kill them all
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Any non hilarious or non ironic comment to this article in
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Those are electronic devices with some embedded communication device.
Do you need more fun that that?
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
The firm that created this should be shamed (or hacked) out of existence.
The "service" has been in operation since 2010 and it applies to all "dependents" which includes children, contracted laborers, etc. See: http://riyadhbureau.com/blog/2012/11/saudi-women-tracking. As offensive as the Saudi gov't policies are, getting half the story isn't going to help matters.
I'm guessing about half the population doesn't like this idea. But that half can't vote so who cares about them.
... and aren't your women even more important to you? /troll
I had to check the date to see if it was April 1. Nope...
Have you seen what has been going on in Indonesia lately?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
... if you let the insane Muslims invade them.
Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter. In their own country. France is not alone here. It's spreading across Europe.
These are generally not people who assimilate into their new culture melting-pot style. These are people who take over by having a drastically superior birth rate.
I'll give the Muslims credit for one thing - they're smart in that realistic sense, same way the Chinese are. They won't fuck over their own nations with psychotic immigration policies just to prove how "inclusive" they are. We do. Perhaps they deserve to survive in a way that we don't.
No culture that doesn't preserve itself has ever survived, big surprise there. No, valuing and preserving your own culture is NOT wrong in any way and feeling guilty about that is just the kind of plain insanity that's so common these days. It's only wrong if you try to stop someone else from doing the same.
Muslim countries didn't sign UN declaration of Human Rights because they perceived it as not compatible with Islam. Although these countries got own version of Human Rights declaration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam
Diversity means accepting a little more than just being served by mustachioed waiters with amusing accents in quaint ethnic restaurants.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
what is also concerning is that Europe seems to be under threat from immigration from countries with ultra conservative values such as Pakistan.because fertility rates in Europe are far too low, below replacement level, there is a real danger of as well Europeans headed towards extinction, unless Europeans start having more children and stop allowing in this immigration invasion that is destroying Europe, by rapidly reproducing muslims.
So you think this is genetically transported? *This* is racism.
it could actually start a ...
pussy riot!
(what? WHAT?? someone had to say it!)
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Have you seen what has been going on in Indonesia lately?
No. What exactly happens?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Yes, we have.
Ezekiel 23:20
...is the anus of the world.
Too bad you need the shit they export in huge quantities, eh?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
For a conservative country, they're very keen to break new ground in high tech surveillance and invasion of privacy. I mean, it's all so... modern, you know? Is this horse dead yet?
Nobody votes for the king.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
It's easy to miss... When Israel engages in ethnic cleansing, the West calls it "self defense".
Firstly, genetics isn't the only form of hereditary. Cultural values are transmitted from parents to children - including attitudes to women. Secondly, the GP was talking about Muslims, which is a religious group, not a racial group.
So, yeah, you're stupid on two counts.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
All the UN has to do is say "To use our planets orbit, or services reliant on satellites or anything airborne , you need to agree to these human rights." There goes their GPS tracking. If they launch a satellite, wait for it to reach orbit and then let it "malfunction".
If these people can leave the stone age, they should be confined to the ground until they smarten the hell up.
Is now an official policy statement for western industrialized nations too.
Like every sharia law complaint country, Saudi Arabia is not 'ultra-conservative.' It is ultra-repressive and tyrannical.
Mod Me Up. You'll make a grown man cry.
Too bad you need the shit they export in huge quantities, eh?
Well played, but I'd like to point out that my family does not own a car - we go around mostly by bike or walking (I commute to work by bicycle every workday, even in winter). For the rare occasions that we need to go further than 20 Km, we use public transport. So, while we do use hydrocarbons indirectly (various polymers and other chemicals), we're trying to minimize it by not having a car and recycling plastics.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
That's great, but what do you think the ashfelt and tarmac that you cycle on is made of? Pixie dust?
Unfortunately things such as this reflect the will of much of the population there...
I doubt that. Out of the entire population, only 20% are Saudi citizens (the rest are migrant workers with no say in anything). Out of that 20%, less than half are women. So this means, that this new system is being supported by less than 10% of the population.
In fact the saudi arabian government has expiremented with loosening the laws on women but have been met with death threats and back lash from the population from trying such things.
Death threats? Obama gets death threats and back lash from the far-right every day. That doesn't mean he lets them set the agenda.
Face it. Saudi Arabia is a highly hierarchical structure. The minority in power do not want to let go any of its power. That's why we're getting laws like that one.
I'm no feminist, but this is unjust and stupid
It's also hilarious how the USA are all over supposed human rights in Russia and Belarus where people live with dignity, and overlook insane places like the Saudi Arabia is.
There's been no change to the opression, just the method.
Still - maybe 'Anonymous' can do something useful for a change?
This happens: http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/un-condemns-indonesias-increasing-violence-against-shiites/556039
It's not racism, just an observation that parents usually teach children values similar to their own.
Firstly, genetics isn't the only form of hereditary. Cultural values are transmitted from parents to children - including attitudes to women. Secondly, the GP was talking about Muslims, which is a religious group, not a racial group.
So, yeah, you're stupid on two counts.
The GP clearly does not think religion is genetically transmitted. he was accusing the GPP of thinking that religion is genetically transmitted.
So you are the stupid one.
No one has a right to their *own* opinion. They have a right to the TRUTH.
It may surprise people but.... Saudi has ALWAYS had this system of tracking women.
As a child, when I left the country to visit my grandparents, accompanied by my mother, we had to be legally escorted to the airport and signed out by my dad, on re-entry we were re-checked into my dad's care.
We were westerners living under the same rules as the locals. This was as far back as early 80s... the system has been in play forever. This is merely a modernisation of the system. I'm not saying I agree with the practice but, this is hardly headline news as its simply an upgrade to rules and methods for applying those rules that have been in play for a long long time.
Why is it only now, when computers get involved that people are having issues with the basic concept? It was widely unknown it appears when the system was paperbased.
Expat Brat.
The GP clearly does not think religion is genetically transmitted. he was accusing the GPP of thinking that religion is genetically transmitted.
Which is pretty stupid, since the GP said nothing about genetics.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
If I had to guess, I'd say ash and felt?
Too bad you need the shit they export in huge quantities, eh?
Well played, but I'd like to point out that my family does not own a car - we go around mostly by bike or walking (I commute to work by bicycle every workday, even in winter). etc
Congrats.
Other than that, words play, nothing implied at the personal level.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
When Israel engages in ethnic cleansing
If Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing, why are they sending food and medical supplies into Gaza?
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/21/matt-gurney-while-hamas-fires-rockets-israel-delivers-food-and-medicine/
Australia is going down a similar path unfortunately. Though there have been more SE Asian migrants over the past 20 years or so, we are now seeing a shift & a large increase in middle-eastern & African muslim ethnic groups coming into the country, which is noticeably affecting poorer communities & our labour market.
Going back to EU, let's not forget that this is still very much a continent of widely disparate cultures, beliefs & nations, a melting pot of explosive ingredients just waiting to go off. Getting them to agree on anything as big as this will be much harder than a unified country like the US or Aus, say, which is running under one set of leadership & laws (I come from EU originally, for ref).
We don't need it, we've chosen to use it. We have other options. TPTB have chosen this path for us.
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what is also concerning is that Europe seems to be under threat from immigration from countries with ultra conservative values such as Pakistan.because fertility rates in Europe are far too low, below replacement level, there is a real danger of as well Europeans headed towards extinction, unless Europeans start having more children and stop allowing in this immigration invasion that is destroying Europe, by rapidly reproducing muslims.
Europeans having more children would not stop this immigration because so many people in Europe, particularly politicians and generally "bosses", think the more people the better. They want a constant supply of new people being fed in at the bottom to do shit-shovelling jobs for peanuts. And then more again, when the previous lot better themselves and they in turn join the ranks of those demanding new shit shovellers.
The situation is like running faster and faster along a tight-rope trying not to fall off, but that cannot last. One day soon we will hit the wall. These people also argue efficiencies of scale, but we have passed that point long ago. I would say the optimum population for the UK would be 20 million at the most. People already spend a great deal of their effort and resources simply struggling against the pressure of numbers. Time spent in trafic jams and queues are obvious examples. Also some things can never be scaled up - land area and natural resources.
That happening on the XXI century, having such a clear violation of human rights (I could quote you on those, but if I recall correctly is the most translated text ever, so RTF UDHR http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml ), is, to say the least, shameful!
Not having official complaints from every other nation proves the state of uncarefulness for your neighbours our societies reached.
Beware! It will happen to you next! (And you have been warned for several years now BTW)
insert mandatory quote here: ... Then they came for me,
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and there was no one left to speak for me." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
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Bullshit. If Israel were as evil as the Arab propagandists claim, there wouldn't have been any palestinians left by 1950.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
bio diesel industry is wrong, the benefits you get are obscured by:
- food scarcity
- goverment bonuses to big farmer and big evil (insert monsanto/whatever here)
- patent trolls
- CO positive, because mass farming is OIL intensive industry
- lowest return on the barrel ever
- ecological destruction of habitats
etc etc etc... just go read about it!
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Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter. In their own country.
You're quite right, and is the list of them as they stand right now.
Om, nomnomnom...
Women there are treated like children. But we can't get too high and mighty here. Women only got the right to vote in the US in 1920.
On the other hand, as far as I can tell, never in non-Muslim cultures have women been forced to cover themselves from head to toe, with only their eyes visible. Or not allowed to leave the house without a male custodian. That's a unique curiosity only found in portions of the Muslim world.
FUCK YOU.
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Evil will always win because good is dumb?
Good-bye
...taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Well, here is what the NYT has to say http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html , not that they are the most reliable of sources.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
as long as you treat half of your society like cattle, you are never going to have a happy, prosperous, or just culture.
Yes, I know: "honor," "dignity." Well why don't you let your women take care of that for themselves on their own.
The Chinese, the Indians, the Americans, the Europeans, they will advance. And you will fester. Because of your poor choices.
Regards,
the rest of the world
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The fact of the matter is that Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have high rates of population GROWTH, as do Israeli Arabs, which by itself puts paid to the ridiculous claim that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing. The fact that Israel admits over 100,000 Palestinians from Gaza, Judea, and Samaria for medical care (provided at no charge if the PA does not pay for it) every year is also inconsistent with the claim of ethnic cleansing. Jordan has killed far more Palestinians that Israel ever has.
They're just one step from taking them to the vet and "chipping" them.
I suspect they may already have gotten to that.
I've often wondered, after all the US' TLAs have done (South & Central America (United Fruit/Chiquita Banana), Cuba (Bay of Pigs), S. E. Asia (VietNam), The Cold War, ...), why hasn't sufficient provocation been found yet for the US military to roll over Saudi Arabia? Grenada and Panama ranked, so why not SA? They couldn't hope to stop the US. You'd think it would be a drop dead simple (practically bloodless coup even) solution to "The Troubles" in the Middle East. Forget Iran; blow away the House of Saud, and doesn't that area become a lot more friendly for everyone, including Iran and Israel? Doesn't Saudi Arabia have a lot of oil, after all? It'd even pee off Pakistan and Indonesia, woohoo!
Does Prince Bandar have pics of JFK raping kittens and puppies or something?!?
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
most of the palestos have been kicked out.
This turns out not to be the case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
My feeling is that in the UN, each country should get a number of votes based on the proportion of free people in the population that has real say in said country's government (based on some standard set of checks, but mostly based on whether they can vote in honest elections). In a government like China, that would mean they would only get a tiny fraction of a vote, based on the small minority of high ranking government officials who get to choose how China actually operates. The same would be true in countries like Iran that hold mostly fraudulent elections.
Well established verifiable democracies would have a lot more influence in the UN than dictatorships.
The best part is that countries like China can't realistically complain about not having a voice proportional to their people when they can't truly say they represent those people. If they want a democratic say in how the planet is run, then they have to offer that same right to the people in their country.
Any upstanding Arab has right to keep tabs on the chattel. It has always been thus. All we propose is use of these electronic thingamajiggies and intarweb made by you infidels to automizate the process. Whycome you have problem?
That's great, but what do you think the ashfelt and tarmac that you cycle on is made of?
I guess the meaning of the word "minimize" is lost on you.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Where can I get one of these for my wife?
Wikipedia says otherwise:
The Universal Declaration was adopted by the General Assembly on 10 December 1948 by a vote of 48 in favour, 0 against, with eight abstentions: the USSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR, People's Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, People's Republic of Poland, Union of South Africa, Czechoslovakia and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Among the 48 nations that voted in favour: Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Syria and Turkey.
> Just ask France. France has entire districts run by Muslims that even the police are afraid to enter.
Bullshit, the reason why the police is afraid to enter is that they are run by gangs (selling drugs usually).
The religion has nothing to do with it.
Balls, the police weren't afraid to enter - Sarko destroyed the "police de proximité", giving all the cash to his blue eyed boys in the "Brigade Anit Criminalité" who spent all their time running around like the cowboys they were, ending up shaking down the drug dealers for cash.
10 years of right wing authoritarian blather and reductions in police man power are what let the situation get to where it is now.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Pixie ash to be specific.
I find it hilarious tat Amnesty and other similar non-sense organizations claim to be the voice of the obressed but at the same time turn their backs on the real issues like this. Instead, they concentrate on issues such as educated European women not getting the same compensation, domestic abuse of women in Europe (ignoring domestic abuse of men) or the rights of lesbians in the most tolerate countries in the world.
Is this really the Amnesty today?
http://www.amnesty.org/en/ai_search?keywords=saudi+arabia&op=Search
Gives me:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/womens-rights
Support women in Saudi Arabia
In Saudi Arabia, women cannot travel, undertake paid work or higher education, or marry without a male guardian’s permission. From June 2011, scores of Saudi Arabian women supported a campaign against the ban on female drivers by getting behind the wheel. Some were arrested and made to sign pledges not to repeat the offence and at least one woman tried and sentenced to 10 lashes.
Why do you think Amnesty is ignoring this?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
ALL dependants are covered: women, Children (both boys and girls) *and* all workers whose work visa you have given.
If they are on your ID card (women and children don't get separate ID cards) or their Passport (as their "kafeel" caretaker, or visa giver, as it were), you need the Saudi man's permission to leave, and they will now be informed of it.
I think this system was made for the "worker" part of the category in mind; they want to know where their slaves^H^H^H^H^H^H are going, and if they are escaping. Poor labourers are practically indentured slaves, kept in live via the sword of heavy debt; I have know people try to escape by leaving everything behind with just the clothes on their backs. This is to prevent that.
Make of it as you will.
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You jest, but ash from coal-fired power stations is often used for making roads.
We call it asphalt here.
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Toga Party.
May the Maths Be with you!
Nobody gives a shit anymore, sadly. Hell it takes something as bad as Syria to even get those sanctions and embargoes these days.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Actually, the "Palestinian problem" didn't happen when Israel was formed. When it was formed, the Arabs living there were free to join in the society. Then, the Arab countries surrounding Israel told the Arabs living there "We're going to invade and drive these Jews into the sea. Flee to our countries. You'll be safe and can return to your lands when the Jews are gone." Many of the Arabs fled, the surrounding countries invaded but were pushed back. Suddenly, those that fled found they weren't welcomed back. (Would you welcome someone back who sided with a country who was trying to exterminate you?) Meanwhile, the countries they fled to (Jordan, Syria, etc) decided they didn't want these people integrating into their society and kept them in refugee camps. Bonus: It made them easy pawns to play to both keep their own population in line (See what that monster Israel did? Now don't look at the horrid things we're doing.) and to gain sympathy on the world stage (Look at these suffering Palestinians in our lands who we don't help. Isn't Israel evil?).
Is Israel 100% innocent? No. They've taken some actions that I disagree with (e.g. not dealing harshly with the settlers who do nothing but hurt Israel's cause). But they also didn't start this conflict and they can't end it alone. If Israel puts down their arms first, they'll be wiped out. If the Palestinians put down their arms, Israel would do the same and there would be peace.
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no, the interesting question is why fundamentalist Christians never apply the term to anything.
they are run by gangs (selling drugs usually).
Hey, you've just pretty accurately described the Ummah. Remember, religion is the opium of the people.
Ezekiel 23:20
The WTO made divestment illegal in 1999.
The "Massachusetts Burma Procurement Law" is one of the early cases.
WTO rules prohibit the use of environmental, human rights or labor practices to be considered as criteria in awarding public contracts.
Yep. We've entered into treaties that allow private corporations to challenge and overturn democratically enacted laws using secret courts.
I participated in the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle.
You geeks know about WIPO right?
The anti-environmentalists are the biggest environmental absolutists of them all: They think anything short of returning to a caveman lifestyle isn't enviro-friendly enough. That's what they think environmentalists want.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I thought we were pro-property rights?
"No good deed goes unpunished"
And India is 4th most dangerous place in the world for women.
It is only a little better than war-ravaged Afghanistan and Congo.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
Casteism
India is an uncivilized nation for your girl child.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
1. Every 22 minutes a rape.
2. The conviction rate is below 25%.
3. Police refuse to register victim's complaint.
4. Insane politicians are saying gang-rape is consensual sex.
5. Rapist family members visit victim's house to show off their caste=hegemony.
http://ncrb.gov.in/CD-CII2011/cii-2011/Chapters.htm
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=Ne061012Dalit.asp
http://www.firstpost.com/india/a-rape-every-22-mins-what-makes-us-so-complacent-489080.html
Casteism