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DOOM 3 BFG Edition On Github, Timed For Oculus Rift

Posted by timothy on from the move-that-gigantic-cranium dept.

New submitter alexanderb writes "While DOOM 3 BFG Edition might not have blown most gamers' minds, it sure blew some hackers' minds by supporting the Oculus Rift head-mounted display. Now, id Software have put up the source code of the BFG Edition under the GPL in good time for the tentative Oculus Rift release date, 12/12/12."

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  1. Re:No amount of 3D will make Doom 3 a good game by BumpyCarrot · · Score: 2

    Actually, you still need to buy the content. So whilst I agree that Doom 3 is not the most fantastic game, I question your understanding of the topic at hand.

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  2. Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just get a black sheet of construction paper and tape it to your forehead over your eyes. For the big spender purchase a sleeping mask. Both are far cheaper than the Oculus Rift and will give you the same DOOM3 experience.

    1. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The primary feature of the BFG edition is that they added some light sources (aka sorted out the gamma) into the game, and the flashlight gun mod is in by default.

    2. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apparently you didn't give the BFG edition a try.
      Bethesda/ID actually listened to all the whiny players like you and made every level a bit brighter. You don't need the flashlight anymore... and if you need it you can have it along with another weapon.
      The game is much less atmospheric, but more accessible.

    3. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      And you need someone to hide inside your basement walls and randomly jump out at you.

    4. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Just get a black sheet of construction paper and tape it to your forehead over your eyes. For the big spender purchase a sleeping mask. Both are far cheaper than the Oculus Rift and will give you the same DOOM3 experience.

      Not sure about the sleeping mask, but the construction paper method at least is compatible with glasses. It's the only one reason why I never participated in the kickstarter - they had a notice that said it was not glasses compatible in its current form, but the retail version will be.

    5. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
      I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.

    6. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      There is no need to be "glasses compatible". Any vision problems that require glasses can be corrected in software.

      Or...a simple set of contacts will do the trick too!!

      That also has the side benefit of being able to go out in public, especially around women..and not look overly geeky/nerdish with thick glasses on.....

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    7. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
      I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.

      They released the source code, the link is in the OP, so get programming whiney person.

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    8. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by robsku · · Score: 1

      What is wrong with this fanboi? Being a gamer he should be satisfied of being able to play most games on Windows, and unlikely is doing anything else that needed a program with no linux version or equivalent he should be happy.

      Such need to troll&flame someone for saying his choice of OS can't run something is a sign itself. Spouting FUD (lies and twisting/exaggerating issues) about how that other OS sucks bags of dicks just makes it so much more worrying.
      A sign of strong feeling of inferiority is what I'm talking about. I could barely understand such behavior if flame war was first initiated by earlier poster, but on a reply to perfectly neutral (on OS comparisons - the previous post didn't even hint to comparisons) is really a sign of some deeper mental issues.

      If you feel that strongly inferior just because someone else is using something you think is "cooler for being minority" then perhaps consider switching to Linux and installing Windows in a VirtualBox or equivalent and you can play all the games you want and not feel threatened by "the cool minority" :o It's a wrong reason to switch to another OS though, but in this case it may be the easiest way to ease your mental issues.

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    9. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by robsku · · Score: 1

      Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
      I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.

      They released the source code, the link is in the OP, so get programming whiney person.

      Because that's what one enjoys doing to get a game to run?

      There was no whining in GP's post, it was just stating an obvious issue. There's a difference - troll and flame replies to GP is an example of diff between GP and them.
      Since it's not issue to Windows users and/or non-gamers, etc. I don't understand the need to flame poster like he was insulting the whiners.

      Should you have chosen a polite way and written a message with the useful part of your troll post it could've been something like this:

      To shed some light into darkness with Linux & DooM 3 BFG Edition you might be happy to learn that Id did release the source code, as they have taken a habit to... It may quickly feel like not much help unless you're into porting (or as DooM 3 was written to compile also on Linux from the beginning it's likely to just compile cleanly from sources), but there's likely more than one person who have taken this on their TO-DO list from the moment they learned that Linux binary wasn't available so it's only a matter of time (and not likely that long time) before the engine binaries are provided in various package formats for Linux distributions - and after being released in websites and 3rd party repositories the distributions will be soon providing it on their official repos.
      I hope that helps while waiting a release for your OS of choice, have a good day :)

      But no, there's you're impolite troll of yours which probably didn't contain the actually useful part of information because you wanted to be helpful (it doesn't go hand in hand with feeling the need to flame) and another message truly unsettling with the amount of immature FUD that I can only conclude to be a manifestation of deep inferiority complex (possibly sub conscious),

      Why do people feel the need to act like this? The other flame post I can understand is because of mental issues, so it's really rather sad, but your post seems like sane person but bad behavior.

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    10. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by robsku · · Score: 1

      Since they did not make a linux version of the BFG edition I could not play it.
      I bought every Id game that had linux support in the past. They probably have no idea about that though since you had to buy the MS version and download the engine to play on linux.

      They do that because they know that there is a "not insignificant" (=not big money but customers anyway) number of gamers who want, appreciate and are more likely to buy it instead of something you need to run under Wine (even if reported to work fine) game if it's authors support Linux right away - and because they believe that Linux is a good platform for developing and playing games and doesn't need that much extra work if the game is written cross-platform from the start in comparison to work needed to code it Windows only (not to mention that later need to port originally platform specific code will need much extra work).

      Actually they have been writing games in cross-platform way starting at least from DooM (it wasn't 1st ran on x86 DOS) so even long before they released DooM sources and took the habit of releasing sources in GPL they were writing games to be easily ported.

      Anyhow, I was a bit surprised to learn that it's not available as Linux binary - considering all I stated in my babbling above ;)

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    11. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you think that wearing contact lenses instead of glasses stops you looking or acting like a geek/nerd, you are sadly mistaken.

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    12. Re:Way cheaper head mounted DOOM3 by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If you think that wearing contact lenses instead of glasses stops you looking or acting like a geek/nerd, you are sadly mistaken.

      It does help.

      I look much better without thick glasses...I just wear those around the house, but when out and about, contacts.....

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  3. Re:No amount of 3D will make Doom 3 a good game by partyguerrilla · · Score: 2

    I question your understanding of the word 'free', making you purchase another game and giving it away is not what you're looking for.

  4. Original Content by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

    Can it (yet) be used with the original Doom 3 content?

  5. Re:Cheap Discount UGG Boots handbags sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wonder how google handles this type of spam. I wonder if google recognizes that this is a geek site and that any fashion advice here should be counted as negative?

  6. No depth fail? by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

    Is it just because it's still covered by US6384822? Or was there some other reason for why Carmack's Reverse wasn't included in this release?

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    1. Re:No depth fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Still covered by the patent. The fix is in there as "Carmack's Revenge" - its about 4 lines of code longer than the original.

  7. Re:Mods to fix the stuff that got fixed? by Shazgamat · · Score: 1

    This seems as good a place to ask as any:Is there a way to make this game play more like the original? I understand that the shadows and dynamic lighting have been ripped out, the whole thing is brighter and that "duct tape mod" is forced on you. All the hype over the last few months has made me want to play the original game again, complete with the "Oh, hell I can't see shit, what am I shooting at? I hope this works. I need new trousers. Again." vibe, not a dumbed down, shiny "remaster". Comparisons I've seen say that the old game struggles to hit 30fps on current gen hardware, whereas this code base can easily hit 100+ fps on an average rig. Is there a mod (yet) that gives us the best of both worlds?

    The shadows and dynamic lightning are the same as they were; only difference there is that the flashlight doesn't cast shadows anymore (IMHO it never looked good anyway due to the angle).

  8. The next setp in gaming by Krneki · · Score: 2

    The VR headset is the next step in hardcore PC gaming since the technology seems to be finally here.

    Oh boy, can't wait for the consumer version of the Oculus rift (the current resolution is a no go for me).

    And again the porn users will help us push the virtual reality technology in every home. All hail the power of the boobs!

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  9. Why the hate? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why so much hate for this game? I found it terrifying. It's not the best game I ever played, but I certainly enjoyed myself. The part where if you looked in a mirror you saw your future in hell was an amazing piece of art. When you actually get to hell, it was pretty hellish imo... The shifting claustrophobia was well done... I can understand not liking it, but there are a lot worse games out there. (the latest version of Quake for example)

    1. Re:Why the hate? by Zephyn · · Score: 1

      The bulk of the criticism wasn't so much over the look and feel of the game as it was the repetitiveness of the gameplay. Further into the game there are a lot of long gaps between plot points where you're dealing with nothing but long hallways full of monster closets. It had the combined effect of killing the suspension of disbelief and making the game tedious instead of scary. There's only so many times anyone can go through whoosh/ROAR/KA-BLAM/thud before it gets old.

    2. Re:Why the hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know about terrifying but I did enjoy the game. I played it when Doom 3 first came out and found it fun. It wasn't terrifying, but I was in an almost constant state of suspense. I'm playing it now, and it's almost as suspenseful.

      I'm one of those rare people that thinks the flashlight only working with no gun was brilliant. It added a different element to the game. The BFG edition has it out with any weapon, but it times out (I understand the idea, but it's equally stupid because no flashlight has ever worked that way). So you have to keep putting it away for a second to charge it up. It would make sense to me to let you have the flashlight up only with one handed guns (just the pistol basically). Before hell broke loose the lights worked, so they didn't need special flashlight mounts, makes sense to me.

      The gameplay is enjoyable, a bit repetitive but they offer just enough new enemies to make it interesting. The monsters come at you, which is very welcome change from games where the AI just hides behind walls and jumps out at really predictable intervals. The levels are scripted, but they're scripted well.

      The plot is lame, but it's supposed to be.

    3. Re:Why the hate? by asmkm22 · · Score: 2

      What Doom 3 has that those other games don't, is FPS action. The Doom games have never been designed purely for scaring the players. Their just FPS's that happen to take place in creepy environments. Sort of like the Dead Space series really. They can have their scary moments, but the core gameplay is still that of an FPS rather than survival horror.

    4. Re:Why the hate? by ne0n · · Score: 1

      Amish. Same thing.

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    5. Re:Why the hate? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Why so much hate for this game?

      If it had been a new series I doubt anyone would have cared half as much. (Do you think they'll still be making Rage jokes in 10 years?) But Doom as a series was about fast gameplay, running and gunning, falling back to cleared areas (and sometimes meeting a toothy surprise), getting the hordes to fight amongst themselves. But apparently somewhere along the way they decided to make System Shock 3: SHODAN Goes to Hell instead. Some innovation was needed to the old series, but retooling it into a bad copy of another series isn't innovation, it's slapping an IP onto the wrong game.

    6. Re:Why the hate? by GreggBz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yea, I don't get it either. I remember first playing the Demo. The graphics and lighting blew my mind. The game got glowing reviews when it was released. Then about a month later Half Life 2 came out and everyone jumped on the Doom 3 must suck bandwagon.

      Half Life 2 was fantastic and all, but I felt like I had to invest a lot into it. Games don't have to be movies. Sometimes I just want to blast demons.

      It really marked the beginning of the end of the dumb shooter. Now everything's a hybrid RPG or some kind of exersize in simulated combat.

    7. Re:Why the hate? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It wasn't DOOM. DOOM is an arcade FPS, not a survival horror game. DOOM is Robotron 2084 in a first person perspective. Serious Sam 2 or Painkiller did DOOM better than DOOM 3 did.

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    8. Re:Why the hate? by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 1

      Doom and Doom II never tried to "scare the user". They tried to "be awesome". Evil, broken, melting, fireball belching, rocket spewing, half-machine half-demon hybrids, crushing ceilings, innumerable vats of toxic waste, erratic lights, and tons of bad guys. Everywhere. And when all of them were finally vanquished, and you got to finally climb the steps and pick up your key, the walls dropped, and there was a whole other wave ready with fireballs flying. Cue Beethoven's E1M1.mid

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    9. Re:Why the hate? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. It wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. I am not a fan of the hell levels though. The game was a bit linear too. There are mod(ification)s and maps that are good!

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    10. Re:Why the hate? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Precisely this. The only Doom in Doom 3 (besides the name) was the setting and the hellspawn. When id reused the name they brought with it certain expectations that they failed to meet.

      That and the damned lighting. At least with Doom and Doom II you could cheat yourself up some light-amplification goggles so you could see things, but it seemed with 3 you had to install mods for this sort of thing.

      Oh, and I would have killed for a proper automap like in Doom (or preferably Descent, since it was proper 3D).

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    11. Re:Why the hate? by robsku · · Score: 1

      Unlike many games of that era aiming to similar set of "features", DooM managed to achieve pure awesomeness in what it was \o/ In fact I still love firing up 3rd party (I've seen the originals enough times for life ;) ) level packs (WAD's) on the original games ({{Ultimate ,Final,}DooM,DooM ][}) - and I've been thinking of downloading DETH (Doom Editor for Total Headcases) or ZDETH (ZDooM port) level editor and my other favorite DooM tools and whip out some ultra-detailed (requiring at least BooM engine because of detail/size limits of Id's original engine, ZDooM if I choose to implement 3D (vertically overlapping sectors), scripting, level HUB, moving walls/sectors, or other more advanced features) new level(s) of my own - it's been a long time, over 10 years, since I last ran a BSP builder on my freshly saved work with DETH, but I really like how it's done - weirdly I guess for remaining DooM level designers even the limits and trying to implement awesomeness within and around them is actually more fascinating than the freedom of true 3D, dynamic lightning and other luxuries you just don't get with DooM :) I've heard that it's said to be similar to what drives C-64 and other retro hardware programmers to keep hacking...

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    12. Re:Why the hate? by robsku · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly, even though I admit never having played it myself. Seeing it in action was enough to lose big part of my interest to try it, and largely it was really not about it being bad in anyway (I have no opinion) as separate game, but the failed expectations for using a name and not living up to it.
      They should have named it Quake - or simply something new - as after Q1&Q2 it was clear that the name had no specific theme tied to it (though in *some* aspects I've felt that Q2 actually achieved being closer to DooM than DooM 3 did (if you just forget the hell theme, think about DooM E1M* tech style levels and compare design wise)).

      Oh, and the automap - I understand it's not easy to create proper automap for real 3D 1st person shooter (descent had good map, but it's a very different animal - don't know if it would work with regular 1st p shooters), but really, at least some sort of automap, even if viewpoint limited to how DooM (or Duke3D - it had overlapping sectors, although only when one could not be seen from the other, and it managed good), although it would get messy with levels that have lots of vertically overlapping areas), but it really would be a killer feature from past if implemented properly.

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  10. Doom jokes by phorm · · Score: 1

    Well, in the meantime Duke3d was released, and well... it went from a funny topic to being kinda sad.

    Doom3 wasn't terrible. It just wasn't great, and people were hoping for more from it (still not as disappointing as DN3D, IMHO).

    1. Re:Doom jokes by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Duke Nukem Forever now polity hand over your geek card.

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    2. Re:Doom jokes by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      Does id really even make fun games anymore? It seems that everything they've released in the last decade has only been an expensive tech demo.

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    3. Re:Doom jokes by phorm · · Score: 1

      DNF, yeah.
      I'm just trying to forget it overall.

    4. Re:Doom jokes by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they just lost it on the network code.

      Seems they've not released a decent multiplayer game (where gamers spend all their time) since Q2.

      Everybody comments on the graphics, but what's holding them back is not graphics, and not even gameplay.

      It's weak networking and server infrastructure.

    5. Re:Doom jokes by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Quake III considered a pretty successful online game? I remember playing it at more than a couple of LAN parties, which is what kids used to do back then.

      It's network code is pretty nice too, based on sending a diff between last acknowledged packet and current state with an elegant set of macros to expose the logic, more robust and efficient than what is used by most MMOs.

      I would call Quake's networking system technically brilliant and the client-server architecture is far stronger than you would expect, just the gameplay tends to suck pretty hard in the recent games.

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    6. Re:Doom jokes by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      It was fairly successful But dwarfed by CS.
      Networking was also pretty horrible form a gamer POV.
      real issues getting into servers (I note you said LAN parties), and terrible lag issues when you did, even on a decent connection you would often have a freeze then unfreeze with a "you've been fragged" message.

      Q2 used to manage fine, nearly always smooth even with a 110ms ping. But even that needed gamespy or such to find a sever to play on (and at least also had decent singleplayer).

    7. Re:Doom jokes by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      I would add they tried with ET:QW, but despite being a pretty great game, in terms of multiplayer playability didn't come close to the likes of Unreal Tournament - and I'm sure most of that was down to network issues - although I never played it long enough to say that for sure,

    8. Re:Doom jokes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Seems they've not released a decent multiplayer game (where gamers spend all their time) since Q2.

      Not all gamers: I have absolutely no interest in multiplayer/online games. My idea of a fun evening is not being sworn at by 13 year old boys.

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    9. Re:Doom jokes by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I liked Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. I'd still play it if it hadn't been overrun by bot players.

  11. Re:Release date? by hughJ · · Score: 1

    January release is for dev kit orders from the website.

    December release is for dev kit orders from the kickstarter.

  12. Irrelevant by oGMo · · Score: 1

    Doom3 may have these things, but they don't make it any more scary. It's still bland, boring, and unimaginative. The discussion was about "terrifying," which it isn't, not "is it a FPS" or "does it have certain gameplay elements".

    There are better FPS's. There are better Horror FPS's. Some of these are even actually scary. For instance, Amnesia. Doom 3 is just bad.

    That said, the Doom3 engine may not be bad, and hey, it's GPL'd now, so you can even go fix it if it is. This is entirely orthogonal to Doom3 the game. But now you have a (probably good, mature, stable) 3D engine that can output to the Oculus Rift, and it's Free(tm).

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  13. The first 45 minutes by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    For me it was the first 45 minutes. That's not DOOM at all. Get all the people out of my way and let me start shooting hellspawn. I tried it back in the day and didn't have the patience to get past that part, and after hearing groaning about the flashlight, I just wasn't in the mood to get invested.

    Recently, I bought BFG edition because it seemed like the only way to get Doom 1 & 2 on PS3, but I ended up really getting into Doom 3 after giving it a fair try. I like it a lot once the action gets going. I'm disappointed the flashlight shadows don't seem to draw on the PS3 version though. Hopefully it will get a patch like the PC version.

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  14. Whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some people found Wolf3D terrifying when it came out, because it was one of the first to do 3D so well and it engaged you. Doom 3 was one of the first to use bump mapping and shadows so extensively, and the jump in realism was a big one at the time, so the game probably had the same affect to many people.

  15. Release Date? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    How is it to be released 12/12/12 when the Dev unit isn't shipping till early January 2013? http://www.oculusvr.com/preorder/

    They selling the units before any Devs get one? So they will support only Doom 3 BFG when they come out?

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  16. BFG means.... by Seeteufel · · Score: 1

    What does BFG stand for? British Forces Germany?

    1. Re:BFG means.... by stor · · Score: 2

      Big F$%&ing Gun.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BFG_(weapon)

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    2. Re:BFG means.... by Yosho-sama · · Score: 2

      Holy crap, if you're younger than 20 you just made me feel really old.

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  17. Wow by cyborg666 · · Score: 1

    Didn't think we were going to see any more of Id's sources after the ZeniMax acquisition

  18. Re:Release Date? by EdZ · · Score: 1

    Kickstarter units are being shipped before pre-orders from the website. I'm not sure where the 12/12/12 date came from either: as of this posting, Palmer has yet to announce anything new on the MTBS forums (where the Rift development emerged from), though Dycus (another member of the Oculus team) has said an announcement is coming 'before Wednesday'.

  19. Mods Are Better by tirefire · · Score: 1

    This BFG edition is a JOKE compared to the mods (100% made by volunteer work) I've been playing lately. I've seen volunteer effort replace almost ALL the textures with HD textures (very nicely done, looks like professional quality), add in bloom/HDR, add in parallax occlusion mapping (high-end computers only!), add in new monsters, and probably more I'm forgetting. Just get a $10 or $5 copy of the Doom 3 from 2004 and get some of these FREE mods, and the game will look so good you'll think it was made in 2010 or 2011 and it's TOTALLY worth playing it again with them installed. And if you're a pussyshit who plays with the room lights turned on and you don't understand the word "atmosphere", then YES, you can get a mod to tape a flashlight to your gun. A short list of the best mods (Note: these mods can be a son of a bitch to install, especially if you want more than one. I'd advise you just get the mod from the bottom-most URL if you want a painless experience):

    Perfected Doom 3 (adds HDR bloom and other effects)

    Wulfen (High-Def) Texture Pack (lots of HD textures and parallax maps for them)

    HD Mod (e-z to install compilation of many other high-def mods)

  20. Re:No amount of 3D will make Doom 3 a good game by robsku · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone feel that getting a game they don't enjoy for free is a reason to play it anyway?

    The only reason would be that they don't feel the same way as you about it. Personally I wouldn't know. I consider DooM series to be DooM/Ultimate DooM, DooM ][ and Final DooM (latter was actually just DooM 2 engine + two 32 level WAD's that Id outsourced to TeamTNT, but I consider it Id Software game anyway) and I see DooM 3 as entirely separate game which might be good but doesn't get me more interested to try it than any other general 3D shooter. But that's just me.

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