Iran Suspends Programmer's Death Sentence

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Iran Suspends Programmer's Death Sentence

Posted by Unknown on Sunday December 2, 2012 @10:03PM from the don't-lose-your-head dept.

jamaicaplain writes "Reuters reports that 'Iran has suspended the death sentence for a computer programmer convicted on charges of running a pornographic website after he "repented for his actions," his lawyer was quoted as saying on Sunday. Saeed Malekpour, an Iranian citizen and Canadian resident, was arrested in 2008 while visiting relatives in Iran, according to Amnesty International. Although Iranian authorities accused him of running a pornography site, Amnesty has said the charges appear to stem from a software program created by Malekpour that was used without his knowledge to post pornographic images.'" It's not clear if he'll ever be released, however.

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Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:09 · Score: 4, Insightful

This is like sentencing a truck designer to death because trucks are used to transport alcohol.
But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power. So these people don't see the logical discontinuity between the person writing software (or designing trucks) and the actual other person using the software (or the truck) to do something illegal under their laws. /anonymous because of troll baiting glib southern US state comment
1. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by somersault · 2012-12-02 22:18 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  
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  which is totally what she said
2. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by girlintraining · 2012-12-02 22:25 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  Technically, it's sexual attractiveness. Charisma is just a generic term for someone that is sexually attractive as well as knowing how to use it to their advantage. And intelligence is a factor for getting into power... just not by itself. Intelligence alone has no proven evolutionary advantage (that is, the chance of passing your genes on to the next generation). I know many people who have intelligence but lack attractive features, and they are amongst the most miserable people I know. It allows them to be aware of exactly how the world works, in every detail, and to also be forced to be constantly aware of how small they are within it. The Total Perspective Vortex isn't just a plot device for intelligent people: for them, they've already sat in the chair.
  
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3. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:31 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  You don't need to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate
  --Mark Pryor, Senator from Arkansas.
  Just putting this out there, the quote is from Bill Maher's Religulous.
4. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by bickerdyke · 2012-12-02 22:35 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Technically, it's sexual attractiveness. Charisma is just a generic term for someone that is sexually attractive as well as knowing how to use it to their advantage.
  I think that's a bit short sighted. I think most people would agree that e.g. the Dalei Lama or Queen Elizabeth II are charismatic leaders, but would not rate them anywhere near "attractive"
  But it's not completly unrelated.
  
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5. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by khallow · 2012-12-02 22:47 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states
  Merely having fundamentalists (who aren't at all equivalent) in your society isn't the same as having a fundamentalist society. Having someone in the neighborhood who occasionally advocates prayer in school or creationism isn't the same as official organs of the state executing people for sponsoring pornography and rigidly holding to blatantly religious law.
6. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 23:00 · Score: 0
  
  Not to mention orientation. GP definition would mean that a little under half of the population would be immune to the charisma of any given politician based on gender.
7. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Chrisq · 2012-12-02 23:08 · Score: 1
  
  Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  Strangely enough probably one place where it does is China's party-appointed leaders
8. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Runaway1956 · 2012-12-02 23:31 · Score: 1
  
  "But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power."
  Perhaps you can name some countries where intelligence is an important factor for gaining and holding power?
  
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9. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:01 · Score: 0
  
  QEII? Charismatic!? That's a pretty low bar you've set on your definition of charismatic!
10. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:19 · Score: 0
  
  Tailbiter. You can look like the hunchback of Notre Dame, but if you're rich & powerful people will come up with ways in which you're sexy like no other, all on their own, no prompting necessary. And as for the "clever people": not quite clever enough for the insight that they actually know nothing at all, apparently.
11. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:38 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, this is one of the good things about the government in China. They have a technocracy, many positions of power are held by engineers.
12. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by L4t3r4lu5 · 2012-12-03 00:41 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  That's because the Western media has reduced "attractive" to anorexic blondes with silicon implants and sunbed-worshipping steroid abusers.
  
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13. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:51 · Score: 0
  
  QE2, a leader?
  I don't think so!
14. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:02 · Score: 0
  
  >Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere.
  Simple experiment, see a small scale struggle for power: a fair amount of PR and favour exchanges is the norm there. Yet, indeed, politicians behave like not too bright children playing mafia bosses. The apparent paradox where higher circles allow more stupidity than smaller ones is solved by the hypothesis that stupid people are not wielding real power. Which also explain why new men in charge do not swiftly undo previous choices by the former administration that do not benefit them nor the electors.
  tldr: you find no stupid sockpuppets where real power is held.
15. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by ewanm89 · 2012-12-03 01:03 · Score: 1
  
  QEII wasn't exactly unattractive in her younger days. Remember she is 86 now. But also her power is heredity anyway.
16. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by jkiller · 2012-12-03 01:57 · Score: 0
  
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  100% Agreed. http://imgur.com/PzbPO
17. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:04 · Score: 0
  
  Actually in that part of the world, it's more of the 'I've got an army of religion-inspired soldiers with guns, and they'll put bullets into you and your family if you don't elect me' style of politics.
18. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by somersault · 2012-12-03 02:22 · Score: 1
  
  Religion is another area where being charismatic makes you more likely to be a leader. Talks given by charismatic people are much more interesting and inspiring. The guy in charge of the guys with guns had better be likeable and commanding, otherwise one of the guys with guns will take over.
  
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  which is totally what she said
19. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Monoman · 2012-12-03 02:23 · Score: 1
  
  So these people don't see the logical discontinuity ...
  I think some of them do see it but choose to abuse their power and spread fear when the opportunity suits them.
  
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20. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:29 · Score: 0
  
  Seriously? Southern states and Iran? My father is county sheriff in a southern state. I'll give him a call later to confirm this; but I'm sure is making nightly porn raids. He is out there kicking down doors and snatching up porn users. Sounds like someone has some has some disagreements with his southern brother. Oh, but I'm sure you are superior in every way to these people. Sir, your arrogance proceeds you.
21. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:30 · Score: 0
  
  and some of the southern US states
  And some anonymous posters...
  Deluded and bigoted much? That's a pretty wide net you cast.
22. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:37 · Score: 1
  
  Agreed, charisma is much more than physical attractiveness, although that is a component. Charisma is also the ability to command a presence, to influence people, to draw others' attention to what you are doing/saying... all in addition to comeliness.
23. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:37 · Score: 1
  
  REALLY? You're telling me the reason I don't want to fuck the Dalei Lama and Queen Elizabeth silly is because of today's stereotypes?
  People will push their agenda for the most stupid shit these days.
24. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by L4t3r4lu5 · 2012-12-03 02:45 · Score: 2
  
  No, I'm telling you that attractiveness is subjective. What you and I find attractive may well differ, despite popular opinion. You may find a timid, shy person attractive, whereas I may find a powerful and confident person attractive; Neither has anything to do with physical appearance, but apparently you can only be "attractive" if you have big boobs or six-pack abs.
  
  If I have any agenda, it's that I want people to form their own opinions and not rely on having them spoon fed to them by advertising gurus and media moguls. I don't care if who you do or don't want to screw; I just want you to decide for yourself, regardless of who is on the cover of Vogue this week.
  
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25. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:54 · Score: 0
  
  People in the 'Southern US' convict people to death for pron??? That's a new one.
26. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Jawnn · 2012-12-03 02:57 · Score: 1
  
  Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  You are confusing politics with "rational behavior" (defined as that which will bring the most benefit to the electorate). Congressmen and senators represent those who paid to get them elected. The voters are a distant second. Still, you have to get the votes in order to advance your patrons' interests, so pandering to superstitious yokels who fear that granting equal rights to homosexuals threatens "the sanctity of marriage" is a given. Nothing solidifies that block like fear. Fortunately, we still have a Constitution that limits the actual power that can be wielded by superstitious yokels and those they represent. Without that, we'd be Iran, only with crosses. Oh, wait... http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/dispatch/everything-will-fall-into-place/
27. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:03 · Score: 0
  
  Seriously? Southern states and Iran? My father is county sheriff in a southern state. I'll give him a call later to confirm this; but I'm sure is making nightly porn raids. He is out there kicking down doors and snatching up porn users. Sounds like someone has some has some disagreements with his southern brother. Oh, but I'm sure you are superior in every way to these people. Sir, your arrogance proceeds you.
  The proceeds of arrogance. If you can buy enough air time, then you might win.
28. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:32 · Score: 0
  
  But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power...
  Two fundamental mistakes in this analysis:
  1. Assuming that the (majority of the) Iranian society (and not the government) is fundamentalist!
  2. Assuming that they have much of a say as to who governs them (e.g., read about the last Iranian elections).
  And then of course these two wrong judgements lead to a third mistake which is the conclusion on the intelligence not being a factor in getting into power. Also, let's not forget how other societies that supposedly have more democratic elections, also don't have much of a say as to whom gets elected (e.g., the fundamental flaws with the two party system in the US itself, even though it could easily be fixed (see the simple tweak in elections that Tanenbaum explained a few years back in his elections webpage/blog).
  Finally, I don't think the Iranian government is incapable of understanding that the "truck designer" is not guilty. They don't care. It's a scare tactic for shutting people up and it hardly matters to them whether the person is guilty or not (hell, it's even more scary when the person is not guilty). It basically teaches a "lesson" to the progressive majority and at the same time serves as a publicity among the conservative minority.
29. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by kelemvor4 · 2012-12-03 03:33 · Score: 1
  
  Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.
  It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.
  I would have gone for money. Money seems to me to be the single most important factor in getting ahead in politics. That, and a willingness to engage in unscrupulous behavior.
30. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:38 · Score: 0
  
  This is like sentencing a truck designer to death because trucks are used to transport alcohol.
  yeah... or maybe it's like trying to get a jury's decision overturned because the foreman was sued into bankruptcy 20 years ago by a company that the defendant invested in last year
31. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:40 · Score: 0
  
  I will just say the pirate bay, and end there.
32. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by kelemvor4 · 2012-12-03 03:42 · Score: 1
  
  No, I'm telling you that attractiveness is subjective. What you and I find attractive may well differ, despite popular opinion. You may find a timid, shy person attractive, whereas I may find a powerful and confident person attractive; Neither has anything to do with physical appearance, but apparently you can only be "attractive" if you have big boobs or six-pack abs.
  Not everyone likes big boobs and six pack abs. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTx5sqvVJ4#t=29.5s
33. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:50 · Score: 0
  
  The guy was in fact the owner of a network of porn and sex website. One of them was a swingers website, the other (avizoon) was advocating master-slave sexual relationship. The network included at least 5 websites.
  Foreign media , purposefully censored these realities (I do not approve the death sentence but his actions are destructive for the society and families).
34. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by readin · 2012-12-03 04:10 · Score: 1
  
  Charisma is a kind of intelligence. Reading people's faces and body language, figuring out what they're thinking and why, figuring out what you can do or say to address their concerns without getting yourself in trouble with people who have different concerns. The charisma needed for success in politics requires a lot of complex reasoning and insight. Unfortunately, I think it is a kind of intelligence that tends benefit the individual far more than it benefits society.
  
  The kind of intelligence that enables you to persuade someone to buy a crappy car at a high price benefits you, but has no benefit to the car buyer or to society at large.
  
  The kind of intelligence that enables you to build a slightly better car benefits everyone.
  
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35. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 04:24 · Score: 0
  
  >
  But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power. So these people don't see the logical discontinuity between the person writing software (or designing trucks) and the actual other person using the software (or the truck) to do something illegal under their laws. /anonymous because of troll baiting glib southern US state comment
  ... and you probably call the south bigoted too. Pot ? Kettle ?
36. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by fredprado · 2012-12-03 04:24 · Score: 1
  
  Does it need to be on Earth? :(
37. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by fredprado · 2012-12-03 04:28 · Score: 1
  
  Nope. They are just condemned to bankruptcy and a life of poverty for having illegally downloading copyrighted porn. Obviously much better!
38. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Wolfraider · 2012-12-03 05:38 · Score: 1
  
  Not everyone likes big boobs and six pack abs
  That's why I offer all the girls a keg instead
39. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 07:23 · Score: 0
  
  Why is everyone in this comment thread so discriminatory concerning people with blond hair or large breasts?
  People like what they like, some are susceptible to media pressures, some not. Big deal.
40. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Hal_Porter · 2012-12-03 07:26 · Score: 1
  
  /anonymous because of troll baiting glib southern US state comment
  Mocking southern states anonymously on an internet site frequented by young liberals? That calls for this
  http://i.minus.com/iQP2oSgKeX3uU.gif
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPh_Ih5hOBs
  
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41. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by Hal_Porter · 2012-12-03 07:29 · Score: 1
  
  Gawwd bless ya, maam! Gawwd bless ya!
  
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42. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by roc97007 · 2012-12-03 10:27 · Score: 1
  
  This is like sentencing a truck designer to death because trucks are used to transport alcohol.
  But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power. So these people don't see the logical discontinuity between the person writing software (or designing trucks) and the actual other person using the software (or the truck) to do something illegal under their laws. /anonymous because of troll baiting glib southern US state comment
  Um, right. If I had a dime for every time a southern US state executed someone for creating a product used without his knowledge to do something the religious elite thought horrific, I'd have.... nothing, I think.
  Wait, let me count that again.... Nope, still nothing.
  
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43. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by chrismcb · 2012-12-03 10:52 · Score: 2
  
  This is like sentencing a truck designer to death because trucks are used to transport alcohol.
  It would be much more like sentencing a truck designer to death because he designed a truck to explicitly transport alcohol, in a place where it is forbidden by death to transport alcohol.
44. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by girlintraining · 2012-12-03 10:55 · Score: 1
  
  I think most people would agree that e.g. the Dalei Lama or Queen Elizabeth II are charismatic leaders
  Not to say you are wrong that there are exceptions to the rule, but the exceptions you picked are particularly bad at representing your position: The queen was chosen because of blood line; Royal families don't have the same competitive pressures the everyday person has. Likewise for the Dalei Lama, who was, for somewhat different reasons, also not subject to those pressures.
  
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45. Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence by bickerdyke · 2012-12-03 12:08 · Score: 1
  
  I didn't intend to connect charisma with any result in beeing chosen for something or not. I just picked examples of charismatic persons that (by most standards) wouldn't be considered as sexually attractive. Of course I know people where charisma and good looks go together, but I also know people who are only one of both.
  But examples from my personal life would be rather difficult to follow....
  
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Will SCOTUS suspend a Death Sentence? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:14 · Score: 0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_v._Thomas
Islamic porn by girlintraining · 2012-12-02 22:20 · Score: 2, Informative

It's worth noting that in this particular country, porn can consist of people showing a little bit of nose. Women are pulled off the streets all the time for this kind of thing and beaten. Foreign women are well-advised to be aware of local customs prior to travel, as it can result in beatings, arrest, or being forcibly stripped and your clothing replaced with something more "decent" according to their laws.

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1. Re:Islamic porn by TapeCutter · 2012-12-02 22:28 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Umm no, you're describing of our friends in Saudi Arabia, not our enemies in Iran.
  
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2. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:28 · Score: 0
  
  And now you know what we think of Americans with their Nipple-Gate hysteria or getting upset about mixed-gender saunas were everybody is naked.
3. Re:Islamic porn by spongman · 2012-12-02 22:51 · Score: 1
  
  Religious nut-jobs are nut-jobs. News at 11. The difference is that the American nut-jobs don't stone you to death for shit some guy wrote in a book.
4. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 23:01 · Score: 1
  
  Yet.
  Of course, back a few hundred years ago they just burnt you at the stake.
  Witch !!!!
5. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 23:12 · Score: 1
  
  Religious nut-jobs are nut-jobs. News at 11. The difference is that the American nut-jobs don't stone you to death for shit some guy wrote in a book.
  You're right, the US religious nut-jobs shoot you instead. See abortion clinics for just one of many examples.
  The US does love its guns, while the middle-east takes a more traditional approach. The reasoning behind it and the end result is still the same.
6. Re:Islamic porn by Psyborgue · 2012-12-02 23:15 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Actually, Iran does not require the full veil (Niqab). They do, however, require the hair be covered.
7. Re:Islamic porn by Psyborgue · 2012-12-02 23:17 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, that was the British, technically. The US was not independent at that time.
8. Re:Islamic porn by Any+Web+Loco · 2012-12-02 23:17 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  This is complete and utter rubbish. I've been to Iran a number of times, just two weeks ago returning from a two month trip there (with my non-Iranian wife, her second trip to Iran), and I can categorically say that you are utterly wrong. Don't get me wrong - Iran's treatment of women is appalling, but you are way off base here - nothing like what you describe happens. As TapeCutter points out, you're probably thinking about our good friends, who flew planes into the WTC, the Saudis.
9. Re:Islamic porn by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2012-12-02 23:27 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  In the defense of Britain, that was the subset of the British who were such theocratic wackjobs that they sailed across the Atlantic in a glorified tub and set up shop in a ghastly wilderness hellhole just so that they could enjoy the pleasure of being on the enjoyable side of religious persecution...
10. Re:Islamic porn by Dave+Emami · 2012-12-02 23:54 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Umm no, you're describing of our friends in Saudi Arabia, not our enemies in Iran.
  No, he's being quite accurate in the "pulled off the streets" part, as I believe he's referring to Iran's basiji militias, or at least the subset of them who go out on "morality" patrols to make sure that women are "properly" covered, aren't wearing makeup, aren't walking with unrelated men, etc. You're right in that the standards they enforce are a little less strict than those in Saudi Arabia (just a headscarf being required, rather than a full-body chador), but the basiji are much more likely than their Saudi counterparts (the mutaween) to use violence on the spot. It can be something merely humiliating, like shaving the woman's head if her scarf does not completely cover her hair, or a beating, all the way up to things like pulling out her fingernails with pliers (if she has on nail polish) or throwing acid in her face. I'm certainly not going to praise the mutaween or the Saudi religious laws, but at least there you're more likely to wind up in front of a judge and be able to plead your case.
  As far as porn goes, "showing a little bit of nose" isn't porn in Iran, but they definitely do execute people for making porn (either acting in it or being part of the production process).
  Incidentally, the only reason for the headscarves vs. chador type of differences are due to the Iranian leadership having to work at stuffing the secularization genie back into the bottle, whereas in Saudi Arabia it never got out -- Iran had an ongoing women's movement since early in the 20th century. It's not through any lack of desire on the mullah's part to have it that way. Even the strongest dictatorship can only roll things back so fast as long as people remember the freedoms that are being suppressed.
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11. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:56 · Score: 1
  
  This is complete and utter rubbish. I've been to Iran a number of times, just two weeks ago returning from a two month trip there (with my non-Iranian wife, her second trip to Iran), and I can categorically say that you are utterly wrong. Don't get me wrong - Iran's treatment of women is appalling, but you are way off base here - nothing like what you describe happens. As TapeCutter points out, you're probably thinking about our good friends, who flew planes into the WTC, the Saudis.
  The plural of anecdote, is not data.
12. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:22 · Score: 0
  
  That's one way of looking at it I suppose. Apparently not all whack jobs are religious.
13. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:27 · Score: 0
  
  Let's see Iran where oppression is systemic and torture and murder for perceived religious transgression is law, and then the US where those who shoot at people in abortion clinics is a small subset of unhinged Christians who aren't even following their own teachings. Yeah, it's practically the same thing.
14. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 05:20 · Score: 0
  
  Believing hatemongers' propaganda purely because it caters to your prejudices is not scientific.
15. Re:Islamic porn by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-12-03 07:02 · Score: 2
  
  the basiji are much more likely than their Saudi counterparts (the mutaween) to use violence on the spot. It can be something merely humiliating, like shaving the woman's head if her scarf does not completely cover her hair, or a beating, all the way up to things like pulling out her fingernails with pliers (if she has on nail polish) or throwing acid in her face.
  Can you give any references for that? Preferably from the more recent (as in, 90s-00s) timeframe, not during and immediately after the Islamic Revolution.
  The reason why I ask is that you can see plenty of photos from modern Iran with women wearing scarfs not completely covering their hair, and they don't look harassed. Which seems to imply that what you describe does not happen often.
  
  Incidentally, the only reason for the headscarves vs. chador type of differences are due to the Iranian leadership having to work at stuffing the secularization genie back into the bottle, whereas in Saudi Arabia it never got out -- Iran had an ongoing women's movement since early in the 20th century.
  The difference is actually because they subscribe to different schools of Islamic thought. Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi, which is an extremely fundamentalist and retrograde form of Islam, and has some of the most stringent dress codes. Iran is Shiite, and their dress code is different.
16. Re:Islamic porn by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-12-03 07:04 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  It's even funnier than that. They first sailed to Holland, where religious tolerance was already implemented - and so they weren't persecuted there. But they found it to be such a horrible "den of vices" full of "temptations" for their children, that they decided to move to the Colonies where they could actually enforce their morality without interference.
17. Re:Islamic porn by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-12-03 07:06 · Score: 1
  
  Even that is more theory than practice, at least in large cities - there are plenty of photos online of Iranian girls wearing headscarves that don't fully cover their hair.
18. Re:Islamic porn by Psyborgue · 2012-12-03 09:00 · Score: 1
  
  No doubt. I think Iran is one of the Majority Muslim countries that would likely legitimately go secular if given a chance (then again, there is no guarantee of that). The people have lived under the most brutal sort of religious tyranny for so long. Many voting the new batch of fundamentalists in with this new "Arab Spring" have no clue what it's like. They'll soon learn, unfortunately at the expense of women, gays, and christians.
19. Re:Islamic porn by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 09:09 · Score: 0
  
  I have a friend who lives in Tehran and she was arrested a few months ago for wearing makeup to a party - the morality police heard about it, came and roughed up everyone and she spent a couple days in jail. Fucked up. Hard to give you hard evidence on this, and I know you don't want to take an AC's word for it, but all I can say is 'trust me, this is happening.' If you see a picture of an Iranian woman showing hair, she is either not in Iran or is at home or someplace where she feels safe - in public, on the street, she takes the risk of being beaten then arrested (then maybe beaten again), depending on who/where/when this occurs.
20. Re:Islamic porn by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-12-03 09:54 · Score: 1
  
  I posted this image search link in another post hereabouts. Note how most official pictures, as well those from higher-profile events (e.g. Iranian female sportsmen) do conform to "no hair visible" guideline, but most random pics of girls on the streets etc have some hair prominently visible.
  I don't doubt that Basij do occasionally harass girls who don't strictly conform to the guidelines; it just doesn't seem as pervasive as it is in Saudi Arabia, judging by public photos with so many women subtly flaunting the laws. In KSA, literally the only thing you see are those awful head-to-toe burqas.
hmmm pr0n by lord_rob+the+only+on · 2012-12-02 22:23 · Score: 1

Where are the pictures ? :-)
1. Re:hmmm pr0n by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:51 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Where are the pictures ? :-)
  You should have a sad face emoticon. This is the dude behind goatse.cx. Now do you understand why they gave him the death sentence?
2. Re:hmmm pr0n by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:28 · Score: 0
  
  Goatse was bad, but the fan sites that followed were much worse.
Repented? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:28 · Score: 0

Did they use the Manning treatment to get him to confess^wrepent?
Not a programmer by unixguy98 · 2012-12-02 22:33 · Score: 3, Insightful

He's not a programmer, and he was not involved in any dating site. He had a site called Avizoon (means SLUT in english). Have you heard of a "dating website" with such name? He was involved in child pornography, abusing private images and films stoled from people's computer using several hired men, and now his lawyer claims he's a programmer!
Let's look at what he calims Malekpour has written: A Perl/PHP program called: Movable Type . As far as I know an American company with the name of Six Apart is the developer, and not a stupid porn distributor called Malekpour. See this screenshot from his website.
1. Re:Not a programmer by serviscope_minor · 2012-12-02 23:59 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I see that this post hos been modded "interesting". It might be interesting, and it might be true, but at the moment, it is completely baseless.
  IOW, [citation needed]
  
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2. Re:Not a programmer by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:40 · Score: 0
  
  Why should I believe you, as opposed to AI?
3. Re:Not a programmer by gtall · 2012-12-03 01:43 · Score: 1
  
  Hmmmm....your comment history is a bit short, your slashdot number is a bit high, and you are making quite specific claims about someone.
  Care to let us in on the evidence? Evidence from Iran doesn't count, their authorities being on the darker side of human nature. We'll be looking for evidence vetted by respectable third parties. Now cough up or you are spouting BS.
4. Re:Not a programmer by wmac1 · 2012-12-03 04:01 · Score: 1
  
  Exactly this. He owned a series of websites. One of them has been a swinger website, the other used to put illegally taken (using hidden cameras) sex videos. I have personally seen the website when it was active. It also contained illegal under-aged sex videos.
  It was a disgusting website which possibly ruined many families. Iranian community is sensitive to sex scandals and if a lady is found to have publicly available sexual videos , she may never be able to marry and possible get caught by police and punished (punishment is 60 slashes I guess if she is single).
  This guy does not deserve the name of "programmer". He deserves a better name like "pimp" or something in that class.
5. Re:Not a programmer by unixguy98 · 2012-12-05 03:04 · Score: 1
  
  IOW, [citation needed]
  His pornographic website was seized by Iranian legal authorities in march 2009, but Archive.org , a US-based Internet archiving has snapshots of the original website. I don't like to link directly to the slut website. You can access it by going to Internet Archive Wayback Machine , input the name of his website (A-v-i-z-o-o-n- dot com, remove -) and see archives before 15 Mar 2009. You will clearly see Powered by MT at the bottom of the pages, which is linked to MovableType software website .
  
  So, the claims that he was a programmer and is being punished because of writing a computer program for the website is clearly wrong.
Islamic extremist values by HeadlessNotAHorseman · 2012-12-02 22:34 · Score: 4, Insightful

I once watched a video clip of an Iranian girl getting stoned to death by a crowd of people. At one point during the ordeal her dress started to ride up her legs. One of the attackers was very quick to cover up her legs again.
Extremely horrific violence: Ok.
Semi-nudity: Not ok.

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1. Re:Islamic extremist values by gaspyy · 2012-12-02 22:44 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  You know what's funny? I notice the same attitude in US (I'm from Europe).
  The American public is OK with movies showing all and any kind of violence - from "simple" headshots to horrific torture and mutilation. But when the same movie is showing some skin, they have to mention how disgusted they are. I just don't get it.
2. Re:Islamic extremist values by Trepidity · 2012-12-02 22:46 · Score: 1
  
  Were you searching for "stoning porn uncovered leg" on YouTube or something?
  
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3. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 23:06 · Score: 0
  
  It's because the US was founded by religious extremists.
  Think of them as the Taliban of their day.
  They have rewritten history to make it appear that their forefathers were fleeing "religious persecution".....but it was persecution in the same way that the modern day Taliban are "persecuted". I suppose the Europeans thought it a good opportunity to get rid of the crazies through the 17th century.
  I mean, you had a bunch of nut jobs who even the Calvinists in the UK thought were too extreme ! That show's you how insane they actually were.
  That streak of religious insanity persists to this day in their persecution complex.
  At least they don't wear big buckles on their shoes anymore :)
4. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-02 23:21 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  If you actually lived in the US you might notice that 90% of Americans could give a shit less. There is a small, vocal, minority that will raise a stink over a stray tittay, but that's about it. Also, a graphic headshot will almost always earn a movie an R rating. Then again, there are also times where a an exposed breast will not earn an R rating (e.g. Titanic).
5. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-02 23:22 · Score: 1
  
  So there was no persecution in Europe? No violence between Catholics and the various sects of protestants?
6. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 23:35 · Score: 0
  
  In fact, in Europe we have these kind of prudes as well. Women can't even discreetly breastfeed in public without people making a big fuss about it.
7. Re:Islamic extremist values by jabuzz · 2012-12-03 00:01 · Score: 1
  
  Yes there was, but the people leaving the Great Britain at least to setup the colonies where not Roman Catholics; the only group that is actually persecuted at the time and even to this day.
8. Re:Islamic extremist values by Hentes · 2012-12-03 00:03 · Score: 1
  
  You don't get the difference between showing fake violence and actually torturing someone to death?
9. Re:Islamic extremist values by ciderbrew · 2012-12-03 00:04 · Score: 1
  
  Finding breastfeed offensive is ludicrous.
10. Re:Islamic extremist values by L4t3r4lu5 · 2012-12-03 00:13 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Extremely horrific violence: Ok. Semi-nudity: Not ok.
  Please, explain why I can buy the "Saw" series of movies in the local supermarket next to Spongebob boxed sets, but in order to see a boob I would have to go to an 'adult shop'.
  
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11. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:34 · Score: 0
  
  If you replaced the word "Europe" with "the UK", your comment would be 100% accurate. Public breastfeeding is no problem at all here in Scandinavia, and in many other civilised countries.
12. Re:Islamic extremist values by renoX · 2012-12-03 00:42 · Score: 1
  
  Uh? Where do you live in Europe?
  In France, I've never heard issues about public breastfeeding.
13. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-03 00:44 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, but you ignore them. The only reason why our religious lunatics are given any attention is because we have a two party system and the republican party needs to pander to them in order to win an election. If the Republican party thought they could gain more votes from the center by throwing the jesus freaks under the bus it would happen in a second... and it just might. The inverse could easily happen in any number of European states if the right thought they could gain more from the far right than they would lose from the center.
14. Re:Islamic extremist values by arth1 · 2012-12-03 00:44 · Score: 1
  
  Finding breastfeed offensive is ludicrous.
  Actually, it's scary. That someone even think of sexual connotations tells me that they're perverts and creepy as hell. And it's really them we should lock up in a hospital, not hide the breastfeeding mothers or other people exposing bodyparts from people of their ilk.
  If their parents, teachers and clergy had let them see nudity and have sex (with themselves or other kids), perhaps they had grown up with less frightening views on nudity and sex.
15. Re:Islamic extremist values by Doctor_Jest · 2012-12-03 00:46 · Score: 1
  
  The difference is, mentioning how disgusted someone is of something is freedom of speech. They don't arrest you for it, and they sure as shit don't stone you for it. It isn't banned... And the government doesn't have laws against it... (sure some laws used to exist... but they used to exist in Europe too.)
  Being okay with fake violence is not some "sick obsession"... I never understood why that is always mentioned as if it's barbaric and backwards. The funny part is, there are plenty of violent movies with nudity too...
  
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16. Re:Islamic extremist values by Stickerboy · 2012-12-03 00:51 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  This is +4 Insightful? I could buy plenty of movies with boobs showing at the supermarket. "R" rating includes pretty much everything except prolonged full frontal nudity and/or hardcore sex. In some cases, enough people get off that here in the United States wenominate it for an Oscar.
  Heck, if boobage is all you're looking for, just turn on some cable TV. Don't act like you have to travel to the naughty side of town for that.
  
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17. Re:Islamic extremist values by chaos_technique · 2012-12-03 01:04 · Score: 1
  
  And which Europe is this, pray tell?
  
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18. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:07 · Score: 0
  
  Because coercive power is naturally aligned to benefit the enforcer (government). In the US, the aggregate of coercive power has simply found it more profitable to demonize sexual matters.
19. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:07 · Score: 0
  
  Seeing a naked female breast and having sexual thoughts about the matter makes you a pervert now? The bar has gotten very low.
20. Re:Islamic extremist values by hattig · 2012-12-03 01:24 · Score: 1
  
  Being offended at a female breast being used for what it exists to do pretty much makes the "offendee" a pervert, because they're the one associating breastfeeding with sex, and then getting offended at it because of that. It's a perverse association that damages those who would breastfeed but don't because of these perverts who feel they can complain instead of NOT LOOKING.
21. Re:Islamic extremist values by hattig · 2012-12-03 01:26 · Score: 1
  
  There are very few issues with public breastfeeding in the UK, at least if an attempt is made to be discrete.
  Anyone complaining about it would be looked down upon by other people in the vicinity. Anyone getting offended by breastfeeding is a pervert - they can't control where their eyes are looking and thus they complain instead of sorting out their own sexual issues.
22. Re:Islamic extremist values by TFAFalcon · 2012-12-03 01:52 · Score: 1
  
  Sure there was. But those that left for America were the guys the rest of the zealots fount to be too extreme.
  Kind of like if the Taliban shunned a group of clerics for taking the Koran too literally, and those guys moved to Mars to worship in peace.
23. Re:Islamic extremist values by arth1 · 2012-12-03 02:01 · Score: 1
  
  Seeing a naked female breast and having sexual thoughts about the matter makes you a pervert now? The bar has gotten very low.
  Seeing lips makes you have sexual thoughts? Do you hide your face behind a veil? Or want women to, so you don't get impure thoughts while they're stuffing their face?
  Yes, if you do have sexual thoughts about seeing a breast being used for feeding a child, you are a pervert. There's no way around that.
  IANAP, but my guess is that some people struggle with repressed sexuality, forcing it to find inappropriate outlets. The steam build-up will not be denied, but will find a way out.
24. Re:Islamic extremist values by misexistentialist · 2012-12-03 02:16 · Score: 1
  
  So you object that they didn't also sexually humiliate her? More efficient executions, like Nazi gas showers or Chinese execution vans, are horrifying in a different way.
25. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:32 · Score: 0
  
  Would that be the same country that goes on spring break?
26. Re:Islamic extremist values by misexistentialist · 2012-12-03 02:36 · Score: 1
  
  It's a matter of environmental sensitization. In daily life breasts are concealed and men are strongly discouraged to glance at the concealed ones. So a revealed breast is a strong stimulus, even if the context is not erotic. Kind of like how an ankle used to be hot when women wore long dresses. Though, still, feeling lust for you breast-feeding wife is a weird thing to call a "perversion".
27. Re:Islamic extremist values by HeadlessNotAHorseman · 2012-12-03 02:44 · Score: 1
  
  Well, I have a few objections to them violently slaughtering her. The point I was trying to make is how messed up those particular people's views are - they were enthusiastic about killing a girl for what amounted to a minor offense, yet they were against the essentially harmless display of some skin.
  
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28. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:49 · Score: 0
  
  Oh ok. So when I have to take a whiz I'll just whip it out in public and let fly and if you get offended then you must be a pervert. After all, I'm not using it for the sexual purpose, I'm doing what nature has dictated so it's perfectly fine right?
29. Re:Islamic extremist values by L4t3r4lu5 · 2012-12-03 02:53 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, you're quite right. I'll rephrase my post:
  
  Extremely horrific violence: Ok. Semi-nudity: Not ok.
  Please, explain why I can buy the "Saw" series of movies, where the point is to simulate intense psychological torture and often physical mutilation prior to execution in spectacularly visceral fashion, in the local supermarket next to Spongebob boxed sets, but in order to see a a simulated act of completely natural physical affection between two consenting adults I would have to go to an 'adult shop'.
  
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30. Re:Islamic extremist values by arth1 · 2012-12-03 03:07 · Score: 1
  
  Though, still, feeling lust for you breast-feeding wife is a weird thing to call a "perversion".
  Feeling lust for your wife, pretty much no matter what she's doing, is not a perversion.
  Feeling lust for your wife because she's breast feeding is.
  Then again there are people who get turned on by their spouses urinating or defecating too, because it involves certain body parts. I'm happy to say I'm not that repressed, but can see body parts in a non-sexual context without thinking about sex.
31. Re:Islamic extremist values by Nyder · 2012-12-03 03:19 · Score: 1
  
  You know what's funny? I notice the same attitude in US (I'm from Europe).
  The American public is OK with movies showing all and any kind of violence - from "simple" headshots to horrific torture and mutilation. But when the same movie is showing some skin, they have to mention how disgusted they are. I just don't get it.
  Not sure what decade you live in, but in the current timeline, USA shows a lot of movies with naked people getting killed. Sex & violence is how it's done these days. Maybe in the 50's we were squeamish with seeing naked people, but as of 2012, I can assure you that is no longer the case. We enjoy our sex and our violence and if it's together, bonus!
  
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32. Re:Islamic extremist values by MozeeToby · 2012-12-03 03:32 · Score: 1
  
  This is not inconsistent! Parents know that their children aren't going to go out maiming and murdering people (even is that child is an obvious sociopath, the parents will "know" that they couldn't possibly do that). Parents also know that given the slightest opportunity, the vast majority of teenage boys (and far more of the girls than our society is willing to admit) will have as absolutely much sex as possible. There's nothing inconsistent with reducing exposure to the one that you are actually worried about while not caring the in the slightest about exposure to the other that you are not worried about.
33. Re:Islamic extremist values by ciderbrew · 2012-12-03 03:38 · Score: 1
  
  Hygiene factors may alter a direct comparison. If a woman was swinging her tits, lactating hentai gush style in a restaurant and not feeding the child with them. I think you could complain or jack off to it.
34. Re:Islamic extremist values by readin · 2012-12-03 03:59 · Score: 1
  
  A graphic headshot is never a really a graphic headshot in an American movie. Instead it is special effects being used to simulated a headshot. However when clothes are removed in a movie, it is almost always the case that clothes were really removed during the filming of the movie. I suspect that what matters is not so much how the image appears, but knowledge of how the image was created that bothers American viewers. Women without clothes are depicted in paintings and sculptures very frequently in American art museums and even in American streets that children are known to frequent. But the "headshots" you describe as common in movies are almost never shown for real even on the TV nightly news.
  
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35. Re:Islamic extremist values by readin · 2012-12-03 04:04 · Score: 1
  
  When my kids were young and were outside of America one time they went to see "Transformers". The theatre showed a trailer for "Saw" before the Transformers movie started. The kids were pretty upset by it. I can't imagine what the theatre owner was thinking showing that trailer right before a movie based on a set of children's toys.
  
  Like you, I don't get why a movie like "Saw" isn't more highly restricted like the other movies you mention.
  
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36. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 04:13 · Score: 0
  
  Hey did you know you can't get a cell phone without a contract in the US, and therefore the US is terrible and Europe is just amazing!
  I mean it's also not true but Europeans love repeating this sort of shit to explain why Europe is so amazing. I don't know where they get it.
37. Re:Islamic extremist values by arth1 · 2012-12-03 04:32 · Score: 1
  
  Oh ok. So when I have to take a whiz I'll just whip it out in public and let fly and if you get offended then you must be a pervert. After all, I'm not using it for the sexual purpose, I'm doing what nature has dictated so it's perfectly fine right?
  Pissing in public is perfectly acceptable in more developed countries. Only in horribly repressed societies would this be considered a sex crime.
  I don't think people from certain countries even realize how ridiculous their antiquated taboos of religious origin appear to others. Putting a swimsuit on a 2 year old? Sitting in a sauna with clothes on? Thinking breastfeeding or urination are sexual acts?
38. Re:Islamic extremist values by Hatta · 2012-12-03 05:00 · Score: 1
  
  If you actually lived in the US you might notice that 90% of Americans could give a shit less.
  Those 90% stay quiet and let the small vocal minority have their way. That's not actually any better than having a fundamentalist majority. The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  
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39. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 05:54 · Score: 0
  
  Watching violent porn from America, I guess.
40. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 06:08 · Score: 0
  
  Then again, there are also times where a an exposed breast will not earn an R rating (e.g. Titanic).
  Hell "Barbarella" is basically a 90 minute excuse to show boobs, and it was ratted "PG". The U.S. wasn't always as up tight as we are now, it's parents suing people rather than doing actual parenting that keeps dragging us down this road.
41. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 06:08 · Score: 0
  
  Why in gods name would you take your kids to see Transformers movie to begin with?!? It's a major action movie... not exactly kid-friendly.
  Would you have taken your kid to see 'The Watchmen' because it's based on a comic book?
  Some movies are made for adults, targetting specifically adults who GREW UP WITH the toys/comics. Things created today based off of toys from an adult's childhood aren't necessarily targetting kids nowadays who grew up with ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EVERYTHING.
42. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 06:22 · Score: 0
  
  I don't think it works quite that way. A good theory, and I'm sure it applies to a lot of situations, but only to an extent. After all, Dr. Manhattan in The Watchmen was naked for most of the movie, and that was CG'd in... but it still made a whole ton of people go crazy about how obscene it was, despite it being absolutely non-sexual in any way, shape or form when it was on screen.
  No, it's just in North America (sadly Canada as well) where sex, or even anything remotely associated with it (showing skin, hell... kissing sometimes) is for some bizarre reason very taboo to do in public, or be seen by... well... anyone. However, horrendous acts of violence? Oh hell, that's fine. We've got it printed on t-shirts (hell, it's being advertised ON SLASHDOT for a t-shirt that says 'I'm fine' but appears to have a massive bloody wound), it's in basically any movie fitting the 'action' genre, and even most cartoons not targetting the 6-and-under portray violence in some sort (usually good vs. bad type teams of people. In our generation, we had Transformers, GI Joe, Thundercats, etc).
  I chalk it up to the first people coming to America were ridiculously puritanical and saw sex as extraordinarilty taboo and that it's "proper" to never show any outward form of attention in public. So therefore, since back in the day violence was all over the place, that became mainstream while sexuality was kept behind closed doors.
  So blame our ancestors for starting the ball rolling, and most of society as a whole today for being too goddamn stupid to see this, and perpetuating the same thoughts and actively keeping the ball rolling.
43. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 06:29 · Score: 0
  
  I think I have an addendum to your analysis. Some people may see breastfeeding as sexual purely BECAUSE it's never seen. Same with women topless in general. A woman can be topless ans it be 100% nonsexual, in the EXACT same way a guy can go topless. Is it 1000 degrees out in the shade? Are you sweating buckets in your shirt? If you're a guy, just take it off and feel the slight breeze better, cool down. A woman? Oh heeeeeeells no, you get to sweat in both a bra AND a shirt, and well... I just hope you enjoy sweating under all that, because that's the only option you get.
  There's a lot of double-standard going on, and a lot of people (ie: most of society that we tend to make fun of on slashdot for being the dumb-as-shit most of society) see breasts as taboo and never seen, because THEY NEVER SEE IT OUTSIDE THEIR BEDROOM!
  If they'd just legalize letting women walk around topless, and it becomes actually COMMON for them to do so on hot summer days, over time it'd become a lot less sexually energized because that's just what happens. That's just... normal people being fucking normal, because it's fucking hot out.
  Ugh... that whole issue is just retarded as hell.
  But I digress. The only reason breasts in public are sexual is because they're not allowed in public... thus taboo. Violence isn't allowed in public either, but it's on basically every TV screen, movie poster, book and magazine, whereas the breast isn't.
  How to fix? Make topless women normal. Good luck with that though, since unfortunately the handful of us with common sense are 100% unable to change the stupid-ass thoughts of the rest of the population.
44. Re:Islamic extremist values by readin · 2012-12-03 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  I didn't say that _I_ took them to see it. But the trailer was still inappropriate. (Actually, I remembered incorrectly. I recall now that the trailer was actually for Hostel.)
  
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45. Re:Islamic extremist values by readin · 2012-12-03 08:39 · Score: 1
  
  First, I don't remember anyone going crazy about The Watchmen. Apparently it wasn't a big enough deal for me to hear about. Second, it doesn't really contradict what I'm saying. For situations where the real thing is filmed, the rules are stricter. But even when what's going on is fake there are still rules. When there is a lot of fake violence in movies it still gets an R rating. Real violence would likely get an NC-17.
  
  Second, I don't think it is just an American thing. Even in Europe in the middle ages you weren't allowed to walk around without your clothes on, but executions were done in public before audiences. It's a human thing. You might argue that Europe in abandoning concerns about what people wear or don't wear in public, or how people satisfy their hormonal desires on the screen, has "grown" or become more "mature", but I would argue that Europe has abandoned the wisdom of centuries of experience.
  
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46. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-03 09:11 · Score: 1
  
  A minority will always be vocal because they feel they have to be in order to compensate for their lack of numbers. At the same time a majority underestimates the damage a minority can do. You're right that it's the fault of the 90% ultimately, but it's easy to understand how it can happen... In order to effectively counter these groups you need to monitor them and counter their every move. If they complain, you send letters of support. If they boycott, you pledge to buy more, and so on. It's very easy to get complacent and forget the damage they can do if the influence is gradual and you don't see sudden changes in front of your eyes. Without seeing the damage, how do you convince people there is a danger?
47. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-03 09:25 · Score: 1
  
  I don't really see your point. Whether it's real or fake, it's the same to the viewer.
48. Re:Islamic extremist values by Psyborgue · 2012-12-03 09:48 · Score: 1
  
  The UK is plenty conservative (in this respect far worse than the US). In Italy you can get prosecuted for insulting the pope. Poland too. Much of Eastern Europe, Italy, and even Spain and Portugal can be frighteningly homophobic depending on where you are, even when compared to the most rural areas in the States. There are many places in Europe I would not take my partner, while there are very few in the states I would feel unsafe in, even in the deep south. Do keep in mind that passing a few hate-speech laws does nothing to change people's minds underneath. It just lets you feel superior to the dirty, crazy, Americans when in reality all you're really doing is hiding the problem. You can take your smug superiority and shove it.
49. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 10:15 · Score: 0
  
  Yup, the US is a very messed up place. In fact the US is so messed up, that it is pretty well in line with the rest of the level of the world. The US is messed up on this particular aspect, but is much saner than Europe on many other aspects. Frankly, the US would almost certainly be a better place if it had less of these extreme legal mess-ups, but everywhere else merely has different ones. At least we've got freedom of speech in our constitution. Yuck.
50. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 11:50 · Score: 0
  
  Actually breast feeding is very natural and extremely hot. They say milk does a body good. It's pretty much science.
51. Re:Islamic extremist values by readin · 2012-12-03 12:54 · Score: 1
  
  Speaking from experience I don't believe it is the same to the viewer. When I was a kid watched many movies in which involved killings. I watched war movies, westerns, Get Smart, etc.. Then one day when I was about 11 a reporter was killed in Central America at a military checkpoint. The morning news show decided to show it. The reporter got out of the car, walked over to the guards. They ordered him to lie face down with his hands on his head. Then they shot him. His body shook. I remember the details because it had a big impact on me. I hardly remember the countless killings that were fake, but I remember the one real one.
  
  I also have different reactions to clothes coming off when I know it really happened vs when I know it was faked.
  
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52. Re:Islamic extremist values by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 16:43 · Score: 0
  
  ...could give a shit less.
  It's couldn't give a shit less. I usually couldn't care less about shitty grammar, but recently, for some reason, there seems to be an epidemic of people using could instead of couldn't. Please be informed and DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
53. Re:Islamic extremist values by spongman · 2012-12-03 17:19 · Score: 1
  
  pandering to outdated moralities in the name of political correctness is ludicrous.
  not only is it ludicrous it is a direct affront to the freedom of expression and, as such, should be outlawed.
Facts, not movies by unixguy98 · 2012-12-02 22:40 · Score: 3, Insightful

I once watched a video clip of an American helicopter killing a crowd of people, because one of them had a camera in his hand. And it was not a clip from a movie, just like what you've watched. It was a clip from recordings of the Apache helicopter, that was later named Collateeral Murder by Julian Assange.
So, let's talk about facts, not movies.
1. Re:Facts, not movies by HeadlessNotAHorseman · 2012-12-02 23:01 · Score: 2
  
  It was footage from a mobile phone. Not a staged movie. The girl died when they slammed a cinderblock onto her head.
  
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2. Re:Facts, not movies by Any+Web+Loco · 2012-12-02 23:19 · Score: 1
  
  Not sure why this is labelled as flamebait when the parent's not - they make the same point.
3. Re:Facts, not movies by AbRASiON · 2012-12-03 00:23 · Score: 1
  
  To be fair, if you enhance the video you'll see the camera he's using a dSLR with all the settings set to 'auto' so many would say justice was served that day!
4. Re:Facts, not movies by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:37 · Score: 0
  
  Ok, let's talk about facts. The video you are talking about was indeed recorded from an Apache helicopter, but you left out a few details. There were folks shooting at the helicopter from the ground, and while they discovered that it was only a camera later on our military thought it was a weapon when they opened fire on them. Most of the civilians had been evacuated from that area, so the only ones there should have been the ones fighting against us. I don't know about you, but if I'm being shot at, and you're in the battlefield holding something that looks like you might be using it to shoot at me I'm going to open fire on you too. If a journalist wants to get up and personal with the war, then they kind of sign up for what can happen when you make that choice. So, yes, with all of that taken into context, you're factually correct, but leaving out those details paints quite a different picture that is not representitive of what really happened.
5. Re:Facts, not movies by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 17:05 · Score: 0
  
  I once watched a video clip of an American helicopter killing a crowd of people, because one of them had a camera in his hand. It was a clip from recordings of the Apache helicopter, that was later named Collateeral Murder by Julian Assange. So, let's talk about facts, not movies.
  As a matter of fact, another person in the group had an AK-47 in his hand and a third had a grenade launcher. Julian Assange and Wikileaks were made aware of this information and did not correct their story. This makes them liars. They were lying to have called it murder in the first place, when by their own reporting it was at worst an accidental killing.
6. Re:Facts, not movies by ameen.ross · 2012-12-03 23:01 · Score: 1
  
  What you and the other guy are describing sounds like the murder of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%E2%80%99a_Khalil_Aswad by Yazidis, a religious minority in Iraq, for converting to Islam.
  
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7. Re:Facts, not movies by HeadlessNotAHorseman · 2012-12-03 23:26 · Score: 1
  
  That's the one!
  
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8. Re:Facts, not movies by ameen.ross · 2012-12-04 00:10 · Score: 1
  
  Uh, there's my point, she wasn't Iranian, and she was stoned because she converted to Islam from Yazidism...
  
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9. Re:Facts, not movies by scared+masked+man · 2012-12-04 13:24 · Score: 0
  
  If that's the same video as the one I'm thinking of (it might not be, I thought the block looked like a concrete paver), the man with the block was rather hesitant, but then killed her before it had gone on for long, as though he didn't really like what he was doing and wanted to kill her quickly. If even the people doing that sort of thing aren't really committed or think things have gone too far, that suggests the moderates might well have a better chance next time there's upheaval there.
Developer? Are you serious?! by unixguy98 · 2012-12-02 22:45 · Score: 1, Insightful

He used MovableTypes to run a child pornograhy website. So, if he's a programmer, every user of Yahoo.com can be called a programmer, because of using a computer program!
1. Re:Developer? Are you serious?! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:57 · Score: 0
  
  None of the linked articles mentioned anything about this. They only mentioned that he wrote photo uploading software that someone else used to upload porn, and that Iran somehow found out about it. Maybe the software was called "UploadKidPictarsToPedoSites Pro" or something?
Not hard by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:47 · Score: 1

Just google "Iranian girl sentenced" and you'll have plenty of facts. No need to make things up about Iran, they do plenty of things that make you go "Say what?" already.
That doesn't make any sense by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-02 22:59 · Score: 0

Regardless of your political views, I think huge majority of people could agree that if they watched some of Obama's speeches from 2008 elections, he was extremely charismatic speaker. That's completely out of proportion to how sexually attractive that 47-years old career politician was. Actually, most people would probably agree that he appeared a lot more charismatic in 2008 than in 2012 though there is very little apparent reason why either his intelligence or his sexual attractiveness would have decreased that significantly. Similarly, I know a lot of people who I consider both attractive and intelligent but would never call charismatic.
Charisma is your force of personality, which does certainly have a positive effect on your sexual attractiveness but doesn't depend on it.
1. Re:That doesn't make any sense by Runaway1956 · 2012-12-02 23:35 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  The military has something called "command presence", which I'm certain could be related to charisma. Like leadership, some people are just born with it, some people learn it, while most people never get close enough to it to even begin to understand it.
  
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2. Re:That doesn't make any sense by khallow · 2012-12-03 00:04 · Score: 1
  
  That's completely out of proportion to how sexually attractive that 47-years old career politician was
  I have to disagree. Speechwise, he didn't have that much going for him except he wasn't Dubya and had an eager audience. The real effectiveness was in the images and slogans.
  
  If he weren't decent eye candy (say he looked like McCain instead), the imagery just wouldn't have sold, I think. We like our messiahs pretty.
3. Re:That doesn't make any sense by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:54 · Score: 1
  
  Nail head, meet hammer.
4. Re:That doesn't make any sense by ByOhTek · 2012-12-03 00:56 · Score: 1
  
  I'd say the 'not Dubya' is pretty correct. The 'eye candy' and 'messiahs' part are the usualy conservative trolling though. People generally did want away from anything associated with Bush, including his party. As such, dems could have run the crypt keeper (Hillary?) and still won. Fortunately for the Republicans, she's 2016's candidate.
  
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5. Re:That doesn't make any sense by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:18 · Score: 0
  
  I doubt it. As secretary of state she's pretty much been marginalized as a worker bee. Her opportunity to run for president passed when she was upstaged by Obama. If she did run she'd be admitting second string to him (something I don't think her ego will allow her to do).
6. Re:That doesn't make any sense by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:57 · Score: 0
  
  Most people have leadership abilities to varying extents. To say most people never get close enough to it to even begin to understand it is inaccurate.
7. Re:That doesn't make any sense by readin · 2012-12-03 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  Regardless of your political views, I think huge majority of people could agree that if they watched some of Obama's speeches from 2008 elections, he was extremely charismatic speaker. That's completely out of proportion to how sexually attractive that 47-years old career politician was. Actually, most people would probably agree that he appeared a lot more charismatic in 2008 than in 2012 though there is very little apparent reason why either his intelligence or his sexual attractiveness would have decreased that significantly. Similarly, I know a lot of people who I consider both attractive and intelligent but would never call charismatic.
  Charisma is your force of personality, which does certainly have a positive effect on your sexual attractiveness but doesn't depend on it.
  I never did get the claim that Obama was a charismatic speaker. He spoke haltingly and because he never managed to get around to saying anything of substance I found his speeches extremely boring. I could see the charm in Bill Clinton (though I disagreed with him most of the time), but I don't see any charm in Obama.
  
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8. Re:That doesn't make any sense by khallow · 2012-12-03 11:59 · Score: 1
  
  If she did run she'd be admitting second string to him (something I don't think her ego will allow her to do).
  She would be running for US President. That's a huge consolation prize for an ego no matter how big.
For sure not so hard by unixguy98 · 2012-12-02 23:00 · Score: 1

Just google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and you'll have plenty of what you call "facts"! But, do you accept every conspiracy theory and propaganda you find by googling?
1. Re:For sure not so hard by Tagged_84 · 2012-12-02 23:50 · Score: 1
  
  I did a quick search and wonder how you would explain Atefah Sahaaleh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atefah_Sahaaleh ?
  
  To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're belief status actually is, care to clarify facts not movies?
2. Re:For sure not so hard by Tagged_84 · 2012-12-02 23:51 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  And I did google both, your google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" came up with the first website about it being a hoax. "Iranian girl sentenced" never came up with any hoaxes or myths.
3. Re:For sure not so hard by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:40 · Score: 0
  
  And I did google both, your google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" came up with the first website about it being a hoax. "Iranian girl sentenced" never came up with any hoaxes or myths.
  Read again?
4. Re:For sure not so hard by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:47 · Score: 0
  
  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=117_1269394282&safe_mode=off
  I think it has a bit more credibility than what you've mentioned.
5. Re:For sure not so hard by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-12-03 07:10 · Score: 1
  
  That stoning was indeed a legally prescribed punishment for adultery in Iran for a long time (and was only suspended a couple years ago) is fact, not propaganda.
6. Re:For sure not so hard by ameen.ross · 2012-12-03 22:55 · Score: 1
  
  What you and the other guy are describing sounds like the murder of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%E2%80%99a_Khalil_Aswad by Yazidis, a religious minority in Iraq, for converting to Islam.
  
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7. Re:For sure not so hard by ameen.ross · 2012-12-03 23:00 · Score: 1
  
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Simple lesson by SmallFurryCreature · 2012-12-02 23:17 · Score: 5, Insightful

Don't visit any Muslim country, EVER! For that matter, never ever visit any country where the local laws and your history and lifestyle conflict. Don't drink in an alcohol free country. Not even if it is offered.
Don't smuggle or use Drugs in the US of A not even if some states now allow it. As a foreigner, no local senator is going to burn his fingers on you to get you free from the federal government.
Don't take "teen" porn into a nation that has higher age limits for porn. Don't take manga/anime into such countries either, the laws might not be enforced always but you don't want to be the exception to the rule.
Yes it sucks but a foreign nation doesn't owe you anything. Right now in Saudi Arabia, a young foreign girl is in jail for life NOT because the COURT wants her to be in jail but because under Sharia law, until the parents of the baby she supervised when it died (at no fault of her) forgive her, she remains in jail. The police, medical examiners and court have said she is not to blame but Sharia law rules otherwise and if you go to such a backward place, you agree to be bound by it. So. DON'T.
And it ain't even hard stuff, do you know that on the whole it is not a good idea to "argue" with an American cop. In Holland it is perfectly normal. In the US? NO! And you might get away with it in a tourist trap but in a southern state?
99% of the time, nothing will happen and then it does and you get caned for dropping chewing gum on the sidewalk.
It is one of the things you got to consider really carefully when considering a job in another country, does that country legal system and culture conflict with yours? Both the US and Holland for instance got stoners but Dutch stoners don't risk jail with every joint. You might be going to work in an industry where drug use is considered normal but will that cop searching your car feel the same? Hell, even ordinary smokers better consider the smoking laws in a foreign country.
If you are one of those people who needs a beer at the end of the day, is a Muslim controlled country really worth it? If you want to wash your car on sundays better stay out of bible belt areas.
See this video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh4tqg_top-gear-take-on-the-us-pt-2-close-call-crossing-alabama_auto
Are you gay, a liberal or have a brain? Stay out of the South, you are not welcome. Don't think New York, Philidelpia and LA are all of the US, some parts are as dangerous as the most backwards Muslim nations and worse. Because at least most Muslim nations are ruled by dictators who usually don't want trouble (Arab Spring so far has only made the Arab nations less liberal and less secular) and whose police (Turkey's military used to heavy handedly enforce its secular system as set up by Ata Turk, the democractic system so far is shifting the country to be a pure Muslim state instead) might not like your liberal arse but have strict orders not to allow stuff to happen unless someone in power needs an incident. No such protection exists in the deep South.
For that matter, any southern republican thinking about leaving for Australia because a black man is in the white house and you just hate that socialist Obamacare? Ooops, Australia is far more to the left then any part of the USA. For that matter, all western countries are. A redneck won't be at home anywhere else. Better realize that Philadelphia is redneck heaven before taking a job in Europe. Or you won't last long.
Be wary when travelling, you are entering an other countries legal system and culture and you don't want to be an example to other travellers.

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1. Re:Simple lesson by HungryHobo · 2012-12-02 23:40 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  side note from a friend who almost got shot in the US: in some EU countries it's normal to get out of the car when you're pulled over.
  In the US they'll shoot you.
  Stay in the car, hands where they can see them, don't move a muscle or they'll kill you.
2. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:27 · Score: 0
  
  "you get caned for dropping chewing gum on the sidewalk"
  So its you who does that! If a few harsh prison terms get you and your like to put spent gum in paper and in a bin when you've finish would be worth the time of the police and the courts just to send the right message and instill a little civic responsibility.
3. Re:Simple lesson by Inda · 2012-12-03 01:01 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  In the UK, if you've done nothing wrong, roll the window down 20mm, turn up your radio, smile with the biggest show of teeth possible. The copper will ask you to get out your car if it's raining, snowing, or the wind chill feels under -20c. Procede to walk around the copper's car kicking the tyres like an expert mechanic.
  
  Always ask why you've been pulled over. Expect the answer to be "Just a routine check, sir". Follow that up with "Why can't you find a proper job?", "Haven't you got any real criminals to find?", or "Were you bullied as a child?". Expect 20 questions about coins in your wallet, silver foil in the footwell, and the reason you're talking so much. Spell your name when asked, even if it's a common name such as "Smith". Smoke'em if you've got 'em - Coppers love the smell. If the copper asks if it's OK for them to smoke, tell them no, as you've just given up, and you hate the smell. If they fake recognition by means of the question "Don't I know you?", reply with "I think I know your sister".
  
  If you've done something wrong, get out the car. Keep the copper talking for as long a possible but don't talk about your crime. Try and confuse him (or her) by using long words such as "elaborate" and "concoction". "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer.
  
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4. Re:Simple lesson by SecurityGuy · 2012-12-03 01:34 · Score: 1
  
  No, they won't. They'll yell at you in a very unpleasant way and tell you to get the f*ck back in the car. I did this as a teen when I didn't know any better intending just to be cooperative. I was harshly, but merely verbally, educated that if you want to be cooperative, stay in the car and put your hands where they can be seen.
  I've been pulled over dozens of times, all for minor speeding offenses and nearly all in my youth. Rarely have I even had the cop mad at me. Never have I felt like I was in danger.
5. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:41 · Score: 1
  
  Just love how this turned into a "If you're a Republican, you're a racist, a Bible thumper and you're too dumb to know about other cultures and their politics" rant.
  
  And yet SmallFurryCreature will probably wonder why Republicans don't "co-operate" with the current culture of the left. Gee, I wonder why people who are constantly being called racist and ignorant don't really work well with their accusers...
6. Re:Simple lesson by i · 2012-12-03 02:26 · Score: 2
  
  I can imagine that you felt like that.
  But people that routinely points loaded and unsecured guns at people - and you, will sometimes proceed in the automatic "drill" and fire.
  
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7. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:47 · Score: 0
  
  You do realize that Top Gear is an entertainment show and as such, 50% of any 'spontaneous' occurrences are actually staged. They don't actually try to hide it all that well either. You would be a fool to think that things like their encounter with US southerners, burning a caravan to the ground on accident, or nearly dying crossing the Attacama, were anything other than staged.
8. Re:Simple lesson by SecurityGuy · 2012-12-03 02:57 · Score: 1
  
  Quite likely true. I'll amend to say that in none of those situations have they ever drawn a weapon on me.
9. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 03:58 · Score: 0
  
  "Are you gay, a liberal or have a brain? Stay out of the South, you are not welcome"
  Now see that? You had an intelligent post going then you had to starting making wild generalizations that just makes you look like an idiot and undermines the entire post. I live in the Texas and I can tell you there is open variety in political opinions as far as the eye can see. The concept that cops in the south with mirror sunglasses go around harassing liberals is a construct of pop culture and people who are ignorant of what the "South" actually is.
  The behavior you describe is something I have only seen in bad movies. The stereotype is as bad as the view that everyone from Boston eats clam chowder for all 3 meals and acts like a prick.
10. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 05:56 · Score: 0
  
  The officer most likely did not aim a weapon at the person in question. In the U.S. police are trained to be intimidating (similar to how drill sargents are portrayed in movies). They will respond with verbal aggression to even miner deviation from "procedure" in order to keep control of the situation, and often encourage the impression that they intend to shoot you if you don't comply. However they generally do not draw their weapon unless they think they may actually need it, and will aim a drawn weapon towards the ground until they have a target and are considering firing.
  All and all it's a lot easier to come away from an encounter with an american cop thinking they might have shot you than it is to be in danger of actually being shot. No cop wants the media circus and paperwork associated with shooting someone for speeding, but they all want you to be afraid of them.
11. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 06:09 · Score: 0
  
  Quite likely true. I'll amend to say that in none of those situations have they ever drawn a weapon on me.
  Reads Slashdot
  6 digit UID (low nowadays)
  Fancies himeslf to be an important Security Guy
  I'd wager the cop saw you as no threat. The smell of nerd is easily spotted by people with guns.
12. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 07:56 · Score: 0
  
  ...and if the officer asks you about the bags of drugs that spill out of you pant's pockets (as I once saw on the tv show "Cops"), look at him with your most innocent face as you say, "But Officer, these are'nt my pants, sir!"
13. Re:Simple lesson by AbRASiON · 2012-12-03 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  The washing the car on Sunday thing, what's the deal with that? I've never heard of this? (I'm from Australia - we seem to have a lot less religion here)
  What would happen if you wash your car on a Sunday in a bible belt area? Nasty looks? Egged car? Is the expectation you should be at church?
  I do admit, I found it fascinating some stores in the US won't sell liquor on Sundays or Saturdays or after 9:00pm or some such due to church run states, what a disgusting joke.
14. Re:Simple lesson by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 09:46 · Score: 0
  
  Don't drink in an alcohol free country. Not even if it is offered.
  Then they'll just kill you for being disrespectful and declining the drink.
Re:This is typical Muzzy reaction by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 00:09 · Score: 3, Insightful

I'm not condoning anything here, but your comment makes it seem like you didn't even read the headline. The story is that he *won't* get the death sentence, but your comment is that this is "typical". Given your atrocious bigoted comment history when it comes to anything related to Islam, I'm not really surprised by your lack of critical thinking skills, but this seems poor even by your low standards.
Oh... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 01:07 · Score: 2, Funny

I thought they were finally going to judge Drupal developers... better luck next time...
Re:This is typical Muzzy reaction by Chrisq · 2012-12-03 01:29 · Score: 0

I'm not condoning anything here, but your comment makes it seem like you didn't even read the headline. The story is that he *won't* get the death sentence, but your comment is that this is "typical". Given your atrocious bigoted comment history when it comes to anything related to Islam, I'm not really surprised by your lack of critical thinking skills, but this seems poor even by your low standards.
On the contrary I am referring to the fact that Muzzies think it acceptable to kill someone who writes software that is used on a porn site. Unlike you I don't think the fact that he was "let off" the death sentence after "repenting" of writing the program either good or civilised. If he had maintained that he had no control over what the program was used for rather than repenting he would probably be executed.
Sentence Suspended by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:02 · Score: 0

Instead, they will just cut off his right hand and left foot.
does arguing work? by nten · 2012-12-03 02:10 · Score: 1

Does arguing with cops work in the Netherlands? I didn't see any the one time I was there. I got the impression they weren't all that necessary, speeding was enforced by cameras and I suspect pickpocketing and bike theft are just kind of accepted as they would be too hard to prevent. Here in TX the police are nervous at every stop as they might really get shot. Staying in the car and moving slowly, speaking politely though not obsequeously, and just generally not being a jerk, results in a verabal warning more often than not. Anything other than that will result in a ticket for whatever it was you were doing to get noticed. As a side note, if you tell the officer there is a loaded firearm in your car and where it is, they are said to calm down and be more generous. The same with a handgun permit, if you show it (and you must), and explain where you have the firearm or that you do not have one with you, they seem to be more likely to give a warning as well. I suspect this is because a person who is telling them where their weapons are is deemed less likely to kill them.

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1. Re:does arguing work? by phayes · 2012-12-03 05:05 · Score: 1
  
  I'm pretty sure that the half dozen Amsterdam cops that knocked the guy to the ground just in front of my wife while yelling "Politie!, Politie!" were not in a very talkative mood. I didn't even make a point about how the one who almost knocked her over when rushing in to grab the guy could have been a little more considerate. I just gathered my wife and responded that I'd willingly move on like they were telling everyone to, if they's just let us by...
  
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You're full of it - look @ muslim beliefs! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 02:28 · Score: 0

Don't muslims believe in conversion by fire + sword? Don't they also believe that if you don't convert as a male, you die, and as females they're kept around as fuck slaves?? Fuck off and die. Small wonder they and all like them ended up in desert sands. Why??? Nobody sane wanted them around with beliefs like that and especially if they had daughters. Period. So, don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining, fucker. If I had the choice I'd say "alright you bunch of piss colored scum, wanna fight all the time and start trouble? Fight it out with the jews once and for all, but do it yourselves, don't drag the rest of us into your utter lunacy!" Why don't they ever do that, hmmm? It's because they are a race of cowardly scum along with their relatives the jews (yes they are related in antiquity), nothing more. Keep us out of your stupidity. They've been driven to the deserts for their beliefs. That shows you all you need to know.
Re:This is typical Muzzy reaction by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 04:10 · Score: 0

Let's see.
World war I and II (tens of millions killed) were not started or done by Muslims. Wars in Vietnam , Laos and those in south east asia were by US, France etc.
Wars in Africa have mostly been by non-Muslims. 1.2 million people killed in Rwanda were Christian, killed by Christian.
Great Britain killed hundreds of thousands in India, south east Asia and other parts of the world.
Millions killed in Cambodia were not Muslims either.
Indians killed in America and Canada were not killed by Muslims too.
Re:Stay out of Iran, end of story. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 04:12 · Score: 0

You are a moron. It's like European say do not visit US, everyone has guns and you will get killed....
Religion doesn't matter by kawabago · 2012-12-03 06:36 · Score: 1

It doesn't matter what religion extremists claim to be protecting, they are all working for Satan, whether they know it or not.
A choice between this and patent infringement by 3seas · 2012-12-03 06:56 · Score: 1

... which would you chose if it were you?
How about option C - neither.
Compliance through fear by alexo · 2012-12-03 07:06 · Score: 1

Compliance through fear.
Do not even think about stepping over the line because they may decide to make an example out of you.
Hell, they might do it even if you have done nothing wrong.
Happens in the US as well. The scale is different (due to different circumstances) but the principle is the same.
No more bat shit crazy than our by Anonymous Coward · 2012-12-03 07:11 · Score: 0

Religious nuts.