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Al Jazeera Gets a US Voice

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that Al Jazeera plans to start an English-language channel available in more than 40 million U.S. homes, with newscasts emanating from both New York and Doha, Qatar. They announced a deal to take over Current TV, the low-rated cable channel that was founded by Al Gore seven years ago. But the challenge will be persuading Americans to watch the award winning network with 71 bureaus around the world — an extremely tough proposition given the crowded television marketplace and the stereotypes about the channel that persist to this day. 'There are still people who will not watch it, who will say that it's a "terrorist network,"' says Philip Seib. 'Al Jazeera has to override that by providing quality news.' With a handful of exceptions, American cable and satellite distributors have mostly refused to carry Al Jazeera English since its inception in 2006. While the television sets of White House officials and lawmakers were tuned to the channel during the Arab Spring in 2011, ordinary Americans who wanted to watch had to find a live stream on the Internet. Al Jazeera's Robert Wheelock said, We offer an alternative. It's a broader coverage of news. It's a broader spectrum into countries that aren't traditionally covered.'"

444 comments

  1. I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    After all, a non American involved in US broadcasting is clearly beyond the pale.

    Why next somebody from Rand McNally will make us wear hats on our feet and reverse the direction the water flows in our toilets.

    1. Re:I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by hoboroadie · · Score: 3, Funny

      I use a diversity of sources, funny how all the big American networks are (un-)weighted on the slant/credibility scale.
      Al Jazeera is very easy to read as the CPU doesn't have to compensate for a lot of bias overhead .

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    2. Re:I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone has bias, and if you havent seen it in your favorite news source its simply because
        * You agree with them, and / or
        * You havent been paying attention

    3. Re:I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by murdocj · · Score: 0

      Sure... of all the new media on the planet, Al Jazeera is the only one that isn't biased.

      I think you are showing your bias.

    4. Re:I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      News for people who can read is different than American Network News. I have a literate bias.

      Sure... of all the new media on the planet, Al Jazeera is the only one that isn't biased.

      Did I say that? I did not mean to infer that AlJazeera is all that much less biased/more credible than our big networks, aside from Fox, of course. I was thinking of Reuters, actually. If you contrast the extremes: e.g. Forbes, Mother Jones; You can collate the facts and fill in the gaps.
      I think you are showing your bias.

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    5. Re:I expect Fox News to report on this heavily. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      After all, a non American involved in US broadcasting is clearly beyond the pale.

      Well, Bridges TV, I believe, was the first one to show you what happens I just hope no one loses his head over this one.

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  2. Source of truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let the conversion begin ...

    1. Re:Source of truth by flyneye · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oddly enough, I'm pretty impressed with Al Jezeeras online coverage of the mideast. That should say a lot since I am sympathetic to the Jews in Israel and a complete cynic about the newsclowns domestically and in Europe.
      I'd rather read that than most of the crap I run into in the world.

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    2. Re:Source of truth by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it heavily depends on which Al Jazeera you watched, the English or the Arabic speaking one. The former is pretty objective and neutral, the latter is trying to establish new records in how biased they can be.
      Heck, just for an example, after the revolutions that swiped the region, Al Jazeera English covered the elections in a pretty neutral way, they only showed regular people voting and stuff. The Arabic one had images of the leader of the Islamist party in Tunisia, voting and showing off with his friends, running all day long. I guess they keep it this way knowing their "target audiences".

      One interesting result of all this, though, is a huge loss of popularity for Al Jazeera in these countries (mainly Tunisia and Egypt). In part because, now that the revolutions ended and a semi-democratic climate is avialable, less biased news sources appeared and Al Jazeera can't claim it's role as the "Sole source of real infos". And also probably because everyone here understood the game Quatar is playing. They financed the winning team and they are reaping the benefits in "Honest opportunities for our benefactors to help us "finance" our economic rebuilding efforts".

    3. Re:Source of truth by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      I thought they were letting their editors chase the truth as they saw it, and since I don't speak Arabic I had no idea that their local reports were any different.
      I really ought to learn a bit of Arabic, Farsi, and Pashto, since so many lies are being spread around about those folks.

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    4. Re:Source of truth by Livius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Arabic language journalism seems to be about where English language journalism was about 300 years ago.

      Hopefully they will catch up, and hopefully stop about 30 or 40 years ago when the English language profession was at its high point, and not follow all the way to the degenerate crap that we have now.

    5. Re:Source of truth by Simploid · · Score: 1

      I can second that. The Arabic one is by far less balanced. At the same time, Al Jazeera is not the only one with this issue. For example I respect BBC English and even though in some cases I have seen them bend the truth, they are a good source. Still looking at some of other languages in BBC news, I can't say the same. As far as I know the news agency is funded by the Qatar ruling family and acts to their benefit.

  3. I, for one, welcome... by bugs2squash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well actually I do, it's great to have an alternative voice and hopefully this will bring more understanding and humanity to the news.

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    1. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be better with even more views available. How about a station that represents the views of Mongolia, Madagascar, or Brazil? I bet a station featuring North Korea would become a cult classic.

    2. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Auroch · · Score: 1

      Well actually I do, it's great to have an alternative voice and hopefully this will bring more understanding and humanity to the news.

      Unfortunately, the simple fact of having an "alternative voice" does nothing to further understanding or humanity. To be directly beneficial, you must have something worthwhile to add with that voice, and it should be clear of bias and misdirection. As I understand it, Al-Jazeera is as biased and controversial as both the left- and right- leaning institutions already in place, and I fail to see how an additional news network adds anything beneficial to the conversation. Simply having another viewpoint isn't fundamentally more (or less) useful simply because it is different.

      Whether or not Al-Jazeera is going to be beneficial remains to be seen - but more is not always better (or worse), and different is not always good (or bad).

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    3. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything that isn't from Corporate America or Murdoch seems refreshingly intelligent and clear. BBC and Al Jazz are exceptional news sources.

    4. Re:I, for one, welcome... by poity · · Score: 1

      Let's be careful to not be over-enthusiastic here. People have a tendency to regard new challengers as the bringers of light against the establishment. But history tells us that true change is rare, and more often than not it is just another group of liars for another group of tyrants.

      I hope we will regard them as critically as we regard any news outlet.

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    5. Re:I, for one, welcome... by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      As I understand it, Al-Jazeera is as biased and controversial as both the left- and right- leaning institutions already in place,

      And how do you understand it?

    6. Re:I, for one, welcome... by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 2

      As I understand it, Al-Jazeera is as biased and controversial as both the left- and right- leaning institutions already in place,

      And how do you understand it?

      Not sure what you're asking for - I already said that I understand it to be biased and controversial. If you'd like specific points of controversy, I'd suggest you do some research - as they say, google is your friend. You can start with their views on homosexuality, the dispute over journalistic independence from Qatar, and the anti-semitic tone that the arabic language version of the network has been known to support.

      As I said in the original post, I'm not saying the views they express are right or wrong, I'm saying that they are not right or wrong based on the fact they are different.

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    7. Re:I, for one, welcome... by boundary · · Score: 1

      "I hope we will regard them as critically as we regard any news outlet." If by "we" you mean the ever-so-discerning 'merican public, then your hopes are stillborn.

    8. Re:I, for one, welcome... by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, Al-Jazeera is as biased and controversial as both the left- and right- leaning institutions already in place,

      And how do you understand it?

      Sorry for the confusion, posted my comments on the computer of a friend. :)

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    9. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The English version has a completely different content and attitude from the Arabic version.

      The Arabic version is worse than Fox news in terms of their opportunistic and malicious attitude in handling news. The English version has the BBC approach.

    10. Re:I, for one, welcome... by poity · · Score: 1

      Check your non-American privilege bro.

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    11. Re:I, for one, welcome... by boundary · · Score: 1

      It's only funny because it's true. Bro.

    12. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Darby · · Score: 1, Informative

      As I understand it, Al-Jazeera is as biased and controversial as both the left- and right- leaning institutions already in place, and I fail to see how an additional news network adds anything beneficial to the conversation.

      In America, there are no left leaning networks, only hard right to lunatic fringe right, so something which is even moderate right would be a adding much to the conversation.
        They have a much better record on bias than the existing American networks, so while it does remain to be seen, it's likely to be a good thing.

    13. Re:I, for one, welcome... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Generalizations and stereotypes are almost never universally true, and generally make you look like an ignorant jerk for implying such.

    14. Re:I, for one, welcome... by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      I already said that I understand it to be biased and controversial. If you'd like specific points of controversy, I'd suggest you do some research - as they say, google is your friend.

      When people make claims such as yours, I expect them to provide support.

    15. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. I've been watching them on YouTube for some time. Is there any reason for this? (Maybe so the stupid people can see too, but really do I care about their opinion?)

    16. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Luck!!!!!! If I heard it right, Time Warner already dropped the channel from there lineup? Not surprising coming from one of the cable monopolies within the U.S...

      God forbid the truth come out, about anything on TV, tho the shits in the media/press through out the country do a good job of suppressing anything that is remotely truthful......

    17. Re:I, for one, welcome... by boundary · · Score: 1

      Now that's just silly.

    18. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what he means is this article:

      http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/06/20116242306746341.html

      I mean, just look how they demonize gays in there!

      Just goes to show how judgement gets past so easily...

    19. Re:I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but your a serious douch. My proof is your previous comment. Thank you for making it easier to avoid your nonsense in the future.
      Oh and also....PLONK

    20. Re:I, for one, welcome... by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Generalizations and stereotypes are the stuff thoughts are made of. But some are better than others.

    21. Re:I, for one, welcome... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Will Al Jazeera broadcast the Arabic version in the US? Will its pro-Qatar views have much influence on US policy?

      I can't check your claims against the Arabic version of Al Jazeera as I can't read Arabic.

    22. Re:I, for one, welcome... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Thank you for making it easier to avoid your nonsense in the future.

      And by posting anonymously, you fail to return the courtesy.

      So, people shouldn't question claims on the internet, and instead they should let unsupported assertions go unquestioned? Oh yeah, that's going to help.

  4. Re: Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course it will. But then, who cares sbout Fags, Jews and Women ?

  5. Their real difficulty... by ZipK · · Score: 1

    ... won't be finding viewers, it will be hanging onto their cable allocations.

    1. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... won't be finding viewers, it will be hanging onto their cable allocations.

      Dish Network subscribers are rebelling almost as fast as their forum moderators can delete the posts demanding that Current be removed from their channel packages.

    2. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like most internet protests probably less than 1% will actually "do" anything and it's most likely the same bury their head in the sand and shout out anything that might challenge their world view crowd of fox news watchers. They *might* cancel their contract for a fee after the Superbowl... until the summer pre-season NFL starts. ;)

    3. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a big suprise, bigoted douchebag rednecks refusing "freedom of speech" if it's not the speech they endorse.

    4. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People actually know Current exists who aren't intentionally trying to watch it? I kind of figured the out-of-the-way channel placement combined with the horrendous production values would scare anyone else away.

    5. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a big suprise, bigoted douchebag rednecks refusing "freedom of speech" if it's not the speech they endorse.

      They're allowed to speak. I'm not required to pay for them to do so if I don't want to subscribe to it. Learn the difference between libre and gratis.

    6. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like most internet protests probably less than 1% will actually "do" anything and it's most likely the same bury their head in the sand and shout out anything that might challenge their world view crowd of fox news watchers. They *might* cancel their contract for a fee after the Superbowl... until the summer pre-season NFL starts. ;)

      Actually, what I'll do is "downgrade" my package to one that doesn't include CurrentTV. It'll cost me a $5 surcharge for the downgrade, and I'll have to drop some other channels that are not available a la carte, but after the first month, I'll be saving money.

      Given that nobody in my house cares about televised sports, the date of the Superbowl doesn't enter into it.

    7. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People actually know Current exists who aren't intentionally trying to watch it? I kind of figured the out-of-the-way channel placement combined with the horrendous production values would scare anyone else away.

      I learned of them when they were broadcasting a twitter feed during the 2008 election. I was occasionally interested in the 20-minute viewer-submitted features they would run, but their agenda-driven political drivel pushed me away.

    8. Re:Their real difficulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, you really must hate DEM LIBRULS.

    9. Re:Their real difficulty... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, or you'd have done it already.

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  6. AU's gov't radio station (ABC, NewsRadio) carry it by ivi · · Score: 1

    Listed along with BBC & NPR, the Australian ABC broadcasts news & current events from Al Jazeera.

    However, what I want is to be able to hear current events & news from CBC, eg:

    + As It Happens
    + The Current
    + Quirks & Quarks (Sci.)
    etc.

    Until the ABC adds such CBC programs to their list, we can & do auto-fetch them as podcasts (eg, using an XP box + Juice 2.2)

  7. Sam Bee Had Some Useful Pointers For Them by Greyfox · · Score: 2
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  8. Re: NO FUCKIN US CARRIER WILL CARRY !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see, they missed you during iraq war.

  9. Link TV by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    On Dish Network, Link TV has shown the Al Jazeera English World News program as part of its Global News Hour for as long as I've had Dish Network. It's very hard to get me to part with money for a non-profit TV station, but I've actually donated money to Link TV before. Not much, but I did.

    Though certainly more liberal, they aren't just Democrats or Republicans, and have aired some great documentaries that none of the big players would have ever touched. And if you think they were all bleeding heart lefties, I have seen speeches where bleeding heart lefties made a good case for supporting Ron Paul.

    Al Jazeera English? Clips from it on some of the good documentaries, but I never just sat down and watched it. So yeah, tough market there.

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  10. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fox News isn't really that independent 25% of its ownership belongs to Saudi family (yes, as in Saudi Arabia). At least AlJazeera provides quailty coverage..

  11. Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia Today is news channel that broadcasts in the US/Europe. It is poorly made Russian propaganda news channel sponsored by Russian government, and probably most Unti-US and Unti-Western news channel in the existence (I don't count middle east news channels in countries like in Iran or Palestine).

    What is funny, arguably Fox News is one of the most respected US news organizations in Russia !!!!! Hatred is mutual !!!

    Al Jazeera is not all that bad, compared to Russia Today. All the youtube clips I have seen were all professionally made new reports.

    1. Re:Fox News in Russia by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Al Jazeera is more like CNN or BBC than Fox or Russia Today. It's an actual news organization rather than a propaganda outlet.

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    2. Re:Fox News in Russia by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How cute that you think CNN and BBC are in the same category as Fox News. How jaded do you have to be before you start making absurd false equivalencies like that?

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    3. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you used subtle mockery to turn his words back upon him! That must mean that you are correct and also really a really clever person. Slow golf clap to your brilliant witticisms.

    4. Re:Fox News in Russia by Dusty101 · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up.

    5. Re:Fox News in Russia by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the BBC is not owned by the british government. For some reasons, some US-Americans have a problem with grasping the difference between "public" and "governmental".

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    6. Re:Fox News in Russia by anubi · · Score: 1

      Russia Today and Al Jazeera are on MHz Networks programming lineup. Some of the more heavily populated US areas are covered on Over-The-Air (OTA).

      Here's a link to their coverage areas

      Alternative views of world news is very welcome to me. The more signal I get, the more I can integrate the noise out. There are ways newscasters "spin" the facts that trying to figure out the truth getting it from only one party is next to futile.

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    7. Re:Fox News in Russia by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

      I never watch CNN so you might be right but judging by their website they are just as biased towards the liberal causes as Fox is towards conservative. I bet you never watch Fox either and, like most liberals, you probably imagine it to be a lot worse than it is.

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    8. Re:Fox News in Russia by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

      For some reasons, some US-Americans have a problem with grasping the difference between "public" and "governmental".
       
      I have to admit that I do. Can you enlighten me as to what is the difference?

      Some quotes from the wikipedia:

      "Under the Royal Charter, the BBC must obtain a licence from the Home Secretary. This licence is accompanied by an agreement which sets the terms and conditions under which BBC is allowed to broadcast."

      "The BBC Trust is [....] the governing body of the Corporation. [...] BBC Trustees are appointed by the British monarch on advice of government ministers."

      "Within the United Kingdom its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee [...] the level of the fee is set annually by the British Government and agreed by Parliament."

      So it is licensed by the government subject to an agreement approved by the government of the terms and conditions under which it is allowed to broadcast, it's governing body is directly appointed by the government and it is funded by public money according to a fee set by the government. Yep, sounds totally independent to me.

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    9. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that Time Warner now owns CNN, not Ted Turner. Maybe if you watched the news, you'd have known.

    10. Re:Fox News in Russia by Maow · · Score: 1

      How cute that you think CNN and BBC are in the same category as Fox News. How jaded do you have to be before you start making absurd false equivalencies like that?

      How stupid he must be to have had, for a long time, the signature "Socialism is slavery".

      That level of stupid is beyond painful.

      Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

    11. Re:Fox News in Russia by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      It is witty BECAUSE he is correct. The BBC is nothing like fox, or cnn. But cnn is nothing like fox either. I find cnn to be less biased on a left/right basis, but they are a bit sensationalistic.

    12. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a complete imbecile.

    13. Re:Fox News in Russia by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching CNN on 9/11 and have never been back. They used file footage of soccer fans celebrating after a Brazilian victory to go with a story about Palestinians supposedly celebrating the twin towers falling. That's not news. That's inciting a riot.

    14. Re:Fox News in Russia by Goody · · Score: 1

      I never watch CNN so you might be right but judging by their website they are just as biased towards the liberal causes as Fox is towards conservative. I bet you never watch Fox either and, like most liberals, you probably imagine it to be a lot worse than it is.

      Or he's seen Fox and Friends and knows it's quite worse than CNN, in both bias and quality.

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    15. Re:Fox News in Russia by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Editorially independant, and not subject to the equivalent of Rupert Murdoch ringing up and pulling a show off the air halfway through (which he did to one of his TV networks a few years ago).
      The BBC are not immune to pressure - they had to apologise after they dared to question the ridiculous government line that Saddam could bomb London within 45 minutes, and more recently when a news report hinted that a powerful member of the government was on some sort of list with suspected pedophiles (the list was on camera). However how they react to the pressure is not dictated directly by the government. They can be yelled at or starved of funds but they can't be immediately directed to do anything.

    16. Re:Fox News in Russia by SteveFoerster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How stupid he must be to have had, for a long time, the signature "Socialism is slavery".

      Not really. If the state owns everything you need to survive, it's hardly a stretch to say that it effectively owns you.

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    17. Re:Fox News in Russia by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's more pathetic, your ignorance of what socialism is or the fact that you remember what my signature used to be. So since you gave your opinion of me, let me give my opinion of you:

      You are a product of a failed government-run education system and idiotic parents who neglected their responsibly to teach you even the basic notions of individual liberty and personal responsibility, and allowed you to live your life guided by primitive emotions and hunter-gatherer instincts and controlled like a dog on a leash by the unscrupulous people who exploit cretins like you for their ends. In short you are not much more than a dumb animal, except without honesty.

      Yes, I can tell that from one post - name calling without any explanation or reason is a dead giveaway, another hint being that you apparently support socialism.

      Other than that I don't know or care to know anything you have to say and I wouldn't remember you if you were painted red and jumping up and down making monkey noises, which would actually be slightly more interesting than what you have to say. But feel free to keep track of my signatures. Some day maybe you'll understand but I wouldn't bet on it.

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    18. Re:Fox News in Russia by Maow · · Score: 2

      How stupid he must be to have had, for a long time, the signature "Socialism is slavery".

      Not really. If the state owns everything you need to survive, it's hardly a stretch to say that it effectively owns you.

      Capitalism is when man exploits man.

      Communism is the opposite.

      Socialism is in between the two.

      Anyway, joking aside, social democracies as seen in i.e. northern Europe and perhaps Canada are hardly bastions of slavery. In fact, slavery was mostly practised by capitalists, as it was the ultimate low cost labour and desired by large scale land owners and maybe industrialists, not by communist collectives.

      And the USA was rather guilty of using it, yet I don't think anyone is looking back to pre-civil war USA and thinking, "socialism!"

      Cheers

    19. Re:Fox News in Russia by Maow · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's more pathetic, your ignorance of what socialism is or the fact that you remember what my signature used to be.

      To address your second point, breathtaking stupidity is memorable, and a guy named after a comic book character isn't that hard to remember. Such gravitas.

      To address your first point, I'll repeat myself from another post:

      Capitalism is when man exploits man.

      Communism is the opposite.

      Socialism is in between the two.

      Anyway, joking aside, social democracies as seen in i.e. northern Europe and perhaps Canada are hardly bastions of slavery. In fact, slavery was mostly practised by capitalists, as it was the ultimate low cost labour and desired by large scale land owners and maybe industrialists, not by communist collectives.

      And the USA was rather guilty of using it, yet I don't think anyone is looking back to pre-civil war USA and thinking, "socialism!"

      As for the rest of your blather, too retarded to respond to, can't be bothered and, to steal a phrase from some wise wag: wrestling in shit with pigs is pointless and the pigs like it.

    20. Re:Fox News in Russia by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Anyway, joking aside, social democracies as seen in i.e. northern Europe and perhaps Canada are hardly bastions of slavery.

      They're also not socialist per se, since, generally, the means of production are still more or less privately owned.

      I don't think of Canada's system as all that different from that in the U.S. Taxes are a bit higher and they have a single payer healthcare system. Are there any other major differences?

      In fact, slavery was mostly practised by capitalists, as it was the ultimate low cost labour and desired by large scale land owners and maybe industrialists, not by communist collectives.

      I have friends who grew up under communism. From their descriptions, I don't think they'd appreciate the distinction.

      And the USA was rather guilty of using it, yet I don't think anyone is looking back to pre-civil war USA and thinking, "socialism!"

      Fair enough, but that's because socialism (and I mean full frontal socialism, not a welfare state) is a subset of slavery, not a synonym for it.

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    21. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually read that sentence? He's not comparing Fox to CNN or BBC, but to Russia Today. Seems rather apropos.

    22. Re:Fox News in Russia by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

      But if their senior executives are directly appointed by the government, why would they need to be directed to do anything. I think it is unlikely that people who were put into their job by the government and can be removed from that job by the government at any time, not to mention the fact that they most likely were in the same year at Oxford/Cambridge and belong to the same country clubs as the government ministers, would exhibit a great deal of independence what it comes to criticizing those same ministers.

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      Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
    23. Re:Fox News in Russia by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

      Oh, so I gave you too much credit in my last post. You don't actually support socialism, you just have no idea what socialism is. Please tell me which of the following Merriam-Webster definitions of socialism apply to the economic system they have in Sweden:

      so-cial-ism
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      1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
      2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
      b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

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    24. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Jazeera is millions of times better than CBSMSNBCABCHuffpo&NYT. The quality is better, more importantly they don't bend and mash words to create a dialog that fits with their narrow viewpoints. CBSMSNBCABCHuffpo&NYT is what happens when someone is too stupid to argue a point objectify without resorting to lies you can't remember from the last one you picked out of your nose.

    25. Re:Fox News in Russia by Maow · · Score: 1

      Anyway, joking aside, social democracies as seen in i.e. northern Europe and perhaps Canada are hardly bastions of slavery.

      They're also not socialist per se, since, generally, the means of production are still more or less privately owned.

      I don't think of Canada's system as all that different from that in the U.S. Taxes are a bit higher and they have a single payer healthcare system. Are there any other major differences?

      Not huge differences, however socialized health care is a defining difference and it is as close as unanimous that one could possibly hope for that we do not want the US-style system. When some US politician points at our system as some kind of death-panel inspired dystopia ("we want drugs that'll cure ya, not kill ya", GW Bush in a presidential debate, etc. ad nauseam) then it is unanimous that we'll take our dose of socialism with pride.

      Also attitudes on gun control are drastically different. I suppose the underlying difference is that we're more willing to give up some personal freedom (by and large) for the greater good.

      In fact, slavery was mostly practised by capitalists, as it was the ultimate low cost labour and desired by large scale land owners and maybe industrialists, not by communist collectives.

      I have friends who grew up under communism. From their descriptions, I don't think they'd appreciate the distinction.

      True, but while social democracies aren't (perhaps) true socialism (is there not a difference between socialism & communism?), then US isn't true capitalism, because there's socialized fire fighting, military, policing, etc.

      Anyway, point being - very few are saying communism is what we need in the west, but a bit of socialism is a good thing. And, it ain't slavery, something rabid capitalists seem to have taken a liking to saying in spite of slavery generally being a capitalistic practice and a gross perversion of property rights.

      From Wikipedia, "Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work.[1]". So, communism really wasn't slavery, though neither was there liberty to be had. "Forced to work" is not solely a property of communism, after all.

      And the USA was rather guilty of using it, yet I don't think anyone is looking back to pre-civil war USA and thinking, "socialism!"

      Fair enough, but that's because socialism (and I mean full frontal socialism, not a welfare state) is a subset of slavery, not a synonym for it.

      I suppose that argument could be made, but it still strikes me as a stretch. Let's agree that it's far more nuanced than the bumper sticker slogan claims.

      Thanks for the reasoned debate.

    26. Re:Fox News in Russia by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Your comment doesn't relate to how it actually operates, especially the "removed from that job by the government at any time". If you think the BBC is always in the pocket of the government of the day you haven't being paying very much attention.
      As for the second bit, the UK may be smaller than Alaska but it's not so small that everyone knows everyone else. I'm not from the UK, but this sort of stuff about the BBC is general knowledge easily gathered just by paying attention to the news media in general (eg. the reaction to the Saddam is 45 minutes from gassing London thing, where the government went after the BBC looking for blood and didn't get any). It's a bit ridiculous to have someone who knows even less attempting to lecture me based upon very rough assumptions and ignorance.

    27. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... If the state owns everything you need to survive ...

      That is called communism. A word US-ians normally use at the drop of hat but this time it is appropriate. Socialism is a social and political mechanism for sharing wealth. It does not imply enslavement like communism or feudalism does.

    28. Re:Fox News in Russia by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      I also grew up under communism. And there isn't that much of a difference between it and capitalism. In both systems those with connections at the top got wealth and power, while the workers got to listen to their leaders about how great the future is going to be. Well except that under communism the workers were paid better and more likely to be able to find work.

    29. Re:Fox News in Russia by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      I suppose if you're in a country that moved from communism to a different kind of top down system where government is powerful enough to control everything and bestow favors on friends of policy makers, then yeah, things would still suck. But that sort of cronyism isn't laissez faire capitalism and it certainly hasn't been every society's postcommunist experience.

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    30. Re:Fox News in Russia by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1
    31. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. If the state owns everything you need to survive, it's hardly a stretch to say that it effectively owns you.

      Dumfuckery defending dumfuckery. Stop conflating communism with socialism, dumbfuck. It's as asinine as saying that capitalism == fascism, when that's not the case.

    32. Re:Fox News in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So by that logic, capitalism == slavery as well. You get the exact same result when private entities own everything, and they are never beholden to the public to provide, only to profit at people's expense.

    33. Re:Fox News in Russia by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      No, the government actually controls very little. What happened is that there was a period of 'wild' privatization of the economy, which resulted in a situation similar to Russia (just without the strong government) - a small number of rich people controlling large portions of the economy. Unfortunately they were also mostly incompetent at running the companies they 'acquired', managing to wreck them by putting them into crippling debt in a bid to buy up the rest of the country. So in a way we were the example of what can happen in laissez faire capitalism.

    34. Re:Fox News in Russia by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Which country?

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    35. Re:Fox News in Russia by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      Slovenia

    36. Re:Fox News in Russia by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, because I was guessing you would say one of the 'Stans or something like that. English language media make it sound like Slovenians are much better off today than under Tito, even that Slovenia has its act together relatively speaking, which is why it was the first of the former Yugoslavian countries to accede to the EU. Would you say they're wildly off base?

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    37. Re:Fox News in Russia by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      You have to remember that Yugoslavia (which Slovenia used to be a part of) didn't use the Soviet style of communism. Companies were fairly self-managed (although managers were often appointed for political reasons or for their connections). While the economy was less efficient then it is now, people were able to get jobs, keep them if they were competent and get paid for doing them. And while there was corruption, it was relatively low level. People would steal some money, but companies would survive.
      After the switch things went well for a while. Some companies went bust of course (textile industry and similar), since they could simply not compete with the price if imports. But in general the economy was growing and everyone was excited since we were now free and going to be rich if we worked well.
      But then over the years more and more companies were bought by their management (often using loans they authorized themselves). Those managers then drained the resources of the companies they bought, and used the money (together with bank loans) to buy more companies and so on. Alone that wasn't too bad. But the problems started when their companies found themselves short on cash - they had given everything they had to their owners - combined with the global banking crisis. So companies started going bankrupt, dragging other companies with them. Their workers were not just out of a job, but they were often owed months of pay by their former employers. At the same time the laws about economic crimes are extremely loosely enforced, so most of the money collected by the managers simply disappeared - their assets bought by 'mysterious' offshore corporations. And even when a person is prosecuted, the case often takes so long that statute of limitations runs out, so they go free to enjoy their spoils.

      At the same time we have a Tea-party-ish government, which is doing everything it can to privatize as many government services as it can (education, healthcare), using the economic crisis to suppress the opposition.

      So I have to say that yes, communism was better for most people. While it was harder to get on top, the bottom was much more comfortable.

  12. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should look up their web page and read their coverage before you make such stupid ignorant statements

  13. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Mitreya · · Score: 1

    Owned by an Arab Sheik, IÃ(TM)m sure it will be faire and balanced towards womanÃ(TM)s rights in the Arab World, Jewish issues, and of course homosexuals.

    Bah, hahahahahahaa
    It will not be any worse than all other major news networks. And the bias will be well known, which is a little better than the status quo

    I'll take that over directly sanctioned pieces such as CNNi

    CNNi produces those programs in an arrangement it describes as "in association with" the government of a country, and offers regimes the ability to pay for specific programs about their country. ... The disclosure for such arrangements is often barely visible.

  14. Crazy weather by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Seems that the Western Winter will come after the Arab Spring

    1. Re:Crazy weather by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      To continue your metaphor, most Western countries have had policies that act like snowmaking machines for some time now, so you're probably right.

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  15. Unfair to USA for Arab to cover news about Arabs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't have Arabs covering news about Arabs. Only Americans, Europeans and Jews (like maybe Wolf Blitzer previously of the Jerusalem Post) can cover the Arab world, right?

  16. Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who's actually watched Al Jazeera English, I'd just recommend that people watch it before they judge it, rather than just assuming it's the "Al Qaeda network". It's not.

    1. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just what they want you to think.

    2. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've not watched the network, but judging by the stories they choose to highlight on their Facebook newsfeed and the status texts accompanying these posts, they may as well be the Al Qaeda network.

    3. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you highlight some of those "may as well be the Al Qaeda network" newsfeeds and texts?

    4. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 2

      As someone who's actually watched Al Jazeera English, I'd just recommend that people watch it before they judge it, rather than just assuming it's the "Al Qaeda network". It's not.

      It would be wrong to simply evaluate the merits of Al Jazeera based on the opinions of others. It is equally wrong to assume that because you (or any individual) likes what they have heard, that it has merit. Multiple data points and opinions have value, and proving merit is much more difficult that disproving it.

      It takes a lot of time and evidence to prove credibility, and very little evidence to disprove it. Has Al Jazeera spent the time proving credibility? Or have they lost credibility through sloppy (or misleading reporting)? I honestly can't say. But people want to see that their opinions and judgments are widespread and common, and will generally support whichever broadcaster agrees with their views - not the most credible or honest network.

      Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks. Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

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    5. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Jaz English is modeled after the BBC so that's no surprise. It's no secret that Al Jaz Arabic is much more radical.

    6. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by surfdaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've watched it a few times and came away impressed. My initial impression that it would be "Arab Propaganda" was changed to a belief that it is in some ways more open-minded than US journalism. It doesn't hurt to listen to multiple perspectives. They appear to be working very hard to do legitimate news in a very serious way.

    7. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks. Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

      Clearly spoken by someone who hasn't watched Al Jazeera (or, I suppose, American new networks). I generally find that Al Jazeera provides broader news coverage, and has better in depth features on less-covered topics, than American news networks. It also has less "talk shows".

    8. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AL Jazeera is very very biased. They skipped Baharain protests during the arab spring. They refused to telecast the video clips of rebels crossing into syria which bolsters the position of the present dictator. Even within the middle east they are not professional. So should I watch it to judge it?

      They even have a column linking Kashmir conflict to Palestine. They are hell bent on showing India as an out to get all Muslims oppressive state (which is far far from the truth).

      Now everyone has their bias. However these guys can't keep it out of their own territory, forget the rest of the world. I stopped watching these jokers after the Baharain protest blackout and the Syrian news blockage. I don't watch channels which promote state or quasi-dictatorial policies with wild abandon. That includes the BBC. I read news a lot more and use google news to find out what the pro-x voice is and what the other side(s).

      So yes there is a good reason why Al Jazeera is as dangerous as Al Qaeda network.

    9. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are certainly much better than Fox "News" probably most news networks are way better than them. I wonder how Fox "News" is even legal in the U.S.A. considering that it's forbidden to direct propaganda by foreigners against U.S. citizens. Fox "news" is owned by foreigners australians and saudis but I'm guessing they are trying to dumb down the american people and make them self-destruct through ignorance.

    10. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's somewhat similar to a lot of other international news networks (see: BBC international, CNN international which is MUCH less crappy than normal CNN, etc) but just with more of a middle east focus. The main "bias" is that they actually consider the opinions and lives of the people actually living in those countries and not just the western paradigms of what those lives must be like. This will, of course, look like somewhat of an "Islamist" or "Jihadist" bias to most westerners, but from the bits I've seen it's mostly just a different perspective that actually looks beyond what the Pentagon and Downing Street (or whatever it would be in the UK) say about what is going on in the region.

      Al Jazeera Arabic I have no way of saying anything about since I do not speak a single word of Arabic. It could very well be the same way, or it could suffer from a lot of the biases that our own domestic media sources (major networks, NYT, WaPo, cable, etc. The NYT is probably a quite bit better than the others I listed [infotainment television and, of course, the distilled essence of Inside-the-Beltway that is WaPo], but it still has some of the same problems) tend to suffer from, just from the opposite side.

    11. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Dusty101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Al Jazeera is already available as one of the free OTA digital channels in many places in Europe - this should not be seen as a big deal.

      It's my understanding that many of its journalists have been trained in the West, and/or with Western news organizations such as the BBC. The BBC produced a fly-on-the-wall documentary about Al Jazeera a few years ago, & the staff definitely came across as modern, professional journalists to a fault. In one instance, the real-time translator stayed at his post even while his family were in an area of heavy fighting and he was unable to determine if they had been injured.

      Having watched it myself, as a white, non-Muslim Westerner with no connections or affiliations at all to the Middle East, I have generally found their news coverage to be more content-rich and less opinion-piece-filled than many of the major US news networks. if nothing else, their service is mercifully free of the obnoxious Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck "talking head" types that are unfortunately so common on the US networks.

    12. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0

      AJ-english != AJ arabic.

      that, right there, is a big concern to many of us. we have heard that the arabic verison is NOT AT ALL like the english version. the arabic one caters entirely to the middle east mindset and many of us are afraid that the water runs too deep.

      now, if they want to be taken seriously, the 2 stations have to be reporting the SAME info, verifyably.

      until then, there will be mistrust.

      so, they have to decide. are they going to be a Fox news or a real news station?

      it would be nice to be a real news station, but I actually don't think its possible for a middle east/arabic based corporation (entirely controlled and owned) to be even a little unbiased. but if they want to be taken seriously, they know what they have to do. I just don't think they'll ever be willing to do it.

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    13. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 0

      They are certainly much better than Fox "News" probably most news networks are way better than them. I wonder how Fox "News" is even legal in the U.S.A. considering that it's forbidden to direct propaganda by foreigners against U.S. citizens. Fox "news" is owned by foreigners australians and saudis but I'm guessing they are trying to dumb down the american people and make them self-destruct through ignorance.

      Fox was unable to start up a Canadian subsidiary because their current practices don't allow that sort of journalism to be called "news". Of course, snopes disagrees, but - as the original post says - you shouldn't judge what you havn't experienced.

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    14. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you speak arabic and have examples of their "radical nature"?

    15. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The English version has a completely different staff, content, and attitude from the Arabic version.

      The Arabic version is worse than Fox news in terms of their opportunistic and malicious attitude in handling news. The English version has the BBC approach.

      The Arabic version is considered "Al Qaeda network"...

    16. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 1

      Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks. Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

      Clearly spoken by someone who hasn't watched Al Jazeera (or, I suppose, American new networks). I generally find that Al Jazeera provides broader news coverage, and has better in depth features on less-covered topics, than American news networks. It also has less "talk shows".

      Clearly spoken by someone who hasn't watched Al Jazeera in the original language.

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    17. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you speak arabic and have examples of their "radical nature"?

      Yes.

    18. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    19. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Freddybear · · Score: 2
    20. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been reading the Arab press off and on regularly for about 20 years and was reading it almost exclusively 2001-05 for world news. There is no "middle eastern mindset" beyond differences in situation and focus. Most of their arguments are sensible from a US perspective. They disagree with US emotional opinions and often weigh the facts differences. The major thing the bring to the table is they aren't on "our side". They don't take it as a given that US goals are more or less the right ones. What you want from Al Jazeera, what they have to add to the conversation are those differences. Otherwise what would be the point?

    21. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Enlighten us non-Arab speakers then. What have you seen on the Arabic broadcasts that are not on the English broadcasts?

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    22. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      No, Al Quaeda TV is their arab-language broadcast channel. It's not at all unusual for companies to tailor their various products to their audience, and they would be stupid to carry that content over and alienate most people their broadcast is targeting. Organizations objected to the English language network not because of its content, but because it's success would be funding the other side of the organization as well. Most boycotts work that way... it's not that Nesquik will kill you, it's that Nestle's operations in Africa are basically a criminal organization, flagrantly breaking local laws and international guidelines, which is casuing the deaths of about 1.5 million infants per year. The two issues aren't connected, except that your money goes to the organization doing those bad things, hence the boycott.

      Even the Voice of America (VOA), of all networks, got into trouble with their arab-language channel broadcasting blatant pro-Al Quaeda propaganda.

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    23. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After 9/11 and during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, I was watching Al Jazeera quite a bit. It gave more reliable news than the standard US networks. BBC and The Onion were good too. The Onion was probably the best of the three.

    24. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      "Lies! They only seek to strengthen the Muslim Brotherhood and drain our precious fluids! "- Michelle Bachman

    25. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by grcumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks.

      Al Jazeera are vastly better than American news networks. Vastly. First and foremost, they actually report on things that do not directly concern the USA. And when they do report on events in which the US is involved, the consider other perspectives, giving equal weight.

      If you want news from Africa, Central or South America, from the Asia-Pacific region - or hell, anywhere East of Iran - Al Jazeera is your best possible source. They have a great network of solid, professional journalists. They also recruit widely from outside the Beltway when bringing in outside analysis. Rather than balance, they tend to rely on expertise. The tone of their interview/discussion shows is respectful but quite pointed. Their interviewers generally avoid 'gotcha' questions, instead trying to legitimately present the ramifications of current events.

      As an example, if you want to understand the current tension between Islamism and progressivism in Egypt, there is no other source that even comes close. People who claim they are apologists for Islamic fundamentalism are just... wrong. Yes, they give time to the Muslim Brotherhood, because they're the largest faction in the fucking government right now. You simply cannot claim to understand the news if you ignore them.

      To use a less charged example, Al Jazeera's coverage of China's expansion into sub-Saharan Africa is simply world class. They don't weight their analysis with geopolitical or ideological bias, but neither do they pull any punches when demonstrating the economic, social and political tensions that have arisen as a result. Most refreshingly, their reporting is based on good old investigative journalism. They report from the factories, warehouses and marketplaces where the effects are most vivid. To my limited knowledge, no other news service has even come close.

      Al Jazeera does have a blind spot. There is virtually no mention of any bad news originating from Qatar, whose royal family sponsors them. They give more time to Libya, Egypt and Syria than to Bahrain and Iran (which is a short missile ride across the water). There is virtually no mention whatsoever of the US presence in Qatar or Bahrain, and no criticism whatsoever. But the unspoken diktat from the Crown Prince seems to be 'here's a short list of things you cannot talk about, but you are free to do what you like in every other respect.' It's not a perfect situation by a long stretch, but it's better than the global blind spot that US networks have to anything that doesn't impact their interests.

      Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

      Viewed from the outside world, the US television media establishment is a sad, sad joke. I travel a lot in the Asia-Pacific region, and though I keep trying, I cannot watch CNN for more than a couple of minutes at a time. The other news channels don't even get a look in. It's the BBC World Service, Al Jazeera, or nothing, I'm sorry to say.

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    26. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are the examples?

    27. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Its pretty similar to the BBC, and Im almost certain Ive seen it on US cable at my office before.

    28. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      From :
      However, it is not true such regulations (which apply only to Canadian broadcasters using Canadian airwaves) have kept the Fox News Channel from gaining entry into Canada, or that they were invoked to boot Fox News out of that country after the channel was established there. The CRTC approved an application to bring the Fox News Channel to Canadian digital television line-ups back in November 2004, and that channel is now carried by dozens of different digital providers throughout Canada.

      From :
      Fox News Channel is currently offered by Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV. An exception is Vidéotron, Canada's third-largest cable company, which has not added Fox News Channel to its lineup.

      Not just "disagrees", but has direct citations indicating that your post is repeating a straight up lie-- the same thing you accuse Fox of.

      Hypocrisy much? Why would you even post something that is straight up false, and then post the source that explains how its false?

    29. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a rather verbose way to say "I only trust Fox and The Blaze."

    30. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linking to memricrap? Israeli intelligence psyops and propaganda network? Wtf.

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    31. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by rve · · Score: 1

      As someone who's actually watched Al Jazeera English, I'd just recommend that people watch it before they judge it, rather than just assuming it's the "Al Qaeda network". It's not.

      I've watched Al Jazeera English occasionally. It mostly reminds me of BBC World, even down to the UK accents. Sure, it seems biased, but no more so than CNN or BBC World. The bias is just from a different pov than western viewers expect. An Arabic channel isn't an Al Qaida network by default any more than an English channel has to be the Tea Party channel. It seems rather liberal by Arabic standards.

    32. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes a lot of time and evidence to prove credibility, and very little evidence to disprove it. Has Al Jazeera spent the time proving credibility? Or have they lost credibility through sloppy (or misleading reporting)? I honestly can't say. But people want to see that their opinions and judgments are widespread and common, and will generally support whichever broadcaster agrees with their views - not the most credible or honest network. Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks. Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

      So what you're saying is, people should watch it before they judge it?

    33. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by rve · · Score: 1

      now, if they want to be taken seriously, the 2 stations have to be reporting the SAME info, verifyably.

      Why? What would be the point of having different language versions if the stories aren't localized too? Should CNN Turk just report a Turkish translation of a story about a US senator's gaffe or a football game in Detroit? Your suggestion doesn't make sense.

    34. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They don't take it as a given that US goals are more or less the right ones.

      This. A thousand times this. US media very often seems to just assume that anything done in the short term interests of America is morally, ethically and strategically right. That is why so many Americans can't seem to understand why no-one likes them (as a country). The only explanation ever given is that they must "hate freedom" or other such nonsense.

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    35. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Organizations objected to the English language network not because of its content, but because it's success would be funding the other side of the organization as well

      The converse is also true. The success of the English language network means that Al Jazeera will change.

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    36. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      American media is a lot different today than it was after 2001.

      Americans have a lot of international power.
      Americans have a democracy so public opinion really does matter.
      America is the country that invented the mass advertising industry.
      -- So propaganda as a major American tool of power has been important.

      There are a lot of Americans who believe these simplistic explanations. These simplistic explanations people exist in other countries too, but they don't matter as much since their governments don't have the massive military of the USA. I think though that George W Bush broke the camel's back on this one. He forced the media to lie so often and so blatantly they lost credibility. The result is a decade later we have a media which has become a high point.

      Though I do think it is going back to sleep under Obama, having a FOX/CNN/MSNBC be the main source of TV news is very different than ABC/CBS/NBC in terms of how easily any politician is going to be able to command their media. We'll see if the system more diverse holds up the next time a president tries to lie about something important. So far on Iran it seems to be working well.

    37. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by ffflala · · Score: 1

      Al Jazeera are vastly better than American news networks . . . . I cannot watch CNN for more than a couple of minutes at a time. The other news channels don't even get a look in. It's the BBC World Service, Al Jazeera, or nothing, I'm sorry to say.

      Very much agreed. I believe what explains the difference in quality is the source of funding. BBC & AJ do not have to rely on ad revenue. For profit American news networks do, and the most profitable ad revenue entertainment model appears to pretty consistently be race to the bottom, broad stroke, fast food, familiar coverage in bite sized morsels. When profit is removed from the equation, American news source quality improves: PBS and ProPublica are examples of high quality news coverage.

      I wish I could include NPR as well, but their most informative news coverage by far is their rebroadcast of BBC World Service. The rest of their programming ratio seems to be 1/16th headline news summaries to 15/16th A Prairie Home Companion.

    38. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I travel a lot in the Asia-Pacific region, and though I keep trying, I cannot watch CNN for more than a couple of minutes at a time. The other news channels don't even get a look in. It's the BBC World Service, Al Jazeera, or nothing, I'm sorry to say.

      SBS is also pretty good (and unlike the ABC, they don't block heaps of their content or their smartphone apps outside Australia).

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    39. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it rather amusing that I keep hearing this talking point from Fox News being spewed by people. I doubt any of you actually speak the language, or know what the language is even called for that matter.

      But that's not the point. The point is they're broadcasting the English version here in the US. I see people saying they don't want to pay them because of what they say in other countries. Well that's fine, but why do you keep paying for Fox News after their corporation got busted pulling all kinds of sleazy shit in England? Not that you'd know anything going on with the illegal wiretapping, voicemail hacking, police bribery, etc. was in any way related to Fox, which is part of Murdoch's empire.

        My point is simply that most people who are mad about this are simply puking back some racist bullshit they got from someone else and don't bother applying the same moral principle to any other news channel they watch.

    40. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should he do the homework for you, and then get slandered and attacked?
      Better to investigate by oneself I would think instead of waiting to be spoonfed.

    41. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Addressing the main topic, I should add that I also have been using Al-Jazeera's Android app for some time now, along with those from the BBC, Dagens Nyheter (Swedish only) and Deutsche Welle.

      I don't usually bother with US news outlets much any more, unless I follow a link to a story on one of their websites, or it's a local thing I hear about from relatives there.

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    42. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Because he's implying he's already done the work and is asking us to accept his conclusion based on that.

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    43. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arab native speaker here.
      AJ Arabic is a lot different from AJE. They cater for a different audience and provide somehow a different content. AJ Arabic has changed a lot through recent years especially during the Arab spring. They moved from reporting about the news in the Arab world to supporting different sides on the conflict. AJA compete directly with ALARABIYA ( Saudi owned and mouth piece of the palace). AJA tends to support the islamic elected govs in Egypt/Lybia and Tunisia. Qatar has also played a major role in the Arab spring through AJA, money and even military equipment.
      AJA arabic has also matured in term of the content it provides, they have guests from Israel, US, Iran...etc. But it still more to compare with Fox news than AJE.

    44. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of Michelle Bachman's fluids are precious.

    45. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by muddysteel · · Score: 1

      Tough to blame the "media" when good old economics + gov't misdirection play a large part of slanted reporting: When you lose the mainstream funding mechanism for solid investigative reporting (newspapers), and the public relies on the Internet style of reporting (skim what's in the news), well, you creating a nice opportunity to paint whatever you want..

      Reading bytes of sound bytes @ whenever you boot up the newsreader.

    46. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you even post something that is straight up false, and then post the source that explains how its false?

      Troll-baiting?

    47. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

      I own documentary called "The Control Room" ... never noticed if it was BBC made, but fly on the wall describes it - I too came away impressed with their sense of journalistic integrity.

      I was probably one of the dozen folks in the US who watched Current TV from time to time - they've had some good journalism as well - I'm sad to see it go, but I will certainly give this new Al Jazeera channel a chance.

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    48. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably your 5 o clock news style stuff, or cultural pieces, maybe a middle eastern equivalent to Regis and Kelly. Maybe something as simple as a local mosque having a bake sale and talking to the AlJazeera affiliate in the area. Same as any other regional news net on the planet.

    49. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Green Helmet Guy have his own "reality" show yet? :D

    50. Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English? by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      Completely agree - I find Al Jazeera English to be one of the most reliable news sources, certainly better than Fox News or MSNBC or CNN (Ironically, CNN International is actually pretty good).I got Al Jazeera English loaded up on my Roku and have the app on my Android phone.

      I did have some trouble understanding the blurb - maybe I should have RTFA, but if Americans have issues accepting Al Jazeera English, what makes them think that launching an Al Jazeera America will do any good? Oh, the people have funny accents? I don't see Americans having any issues with BBC.

      I honestly do not see the point in starting an American-aimed network. Just try to push Al Jazeera English some more. It's a great news network.

  17. Progress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't like the idea of a having cable channel dedicated to the destruction of the United States Of America.

    Fortunately, now Al Jazeera will now take it over.

    Maybe they should buy MSNBC, next. Two for the price of one. Literally.

    1. Re:Progress? by colinrichardday · · Score: 0

      I really don't like the idea of a having cable channel dedicated to the destruction of the United States Of America.

      Fortunately, now Al Jazeera will now take it over.

      Al Jazeera is buying Fox? Allah be praised!

    2. Re:Progress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you rambling on about?

    3. Re:Progress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't like the idea of a having cable channel dedicated to the destruction of the United States Of America.

      Fortunately, now Al Jazeera will now take it over.

      Al Jazeera is buying Fox? Allah be praised!

      Amen Brother or Sister. ;)

  18. CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by ivi · · Score: 5, Informative

    CBC's "As It Happens" & "The Current" news & current events programs are well worth a listen, eg, via podcasts.

    Warm - asking difficult questions sensitively (eg, about tragic stories), & providing time both for the whole answer -and- transitions between adjacent stories... sometimes playing fitting music between them.

    Smart - asking excellent & concise questions, giving time for interviewees' answers... but also asking excellent follow-up questions, so their probing questions -get- answered.

    Ever since the days of the (late) radio journo Barbara Fromm, these & other Canadian programs have kept the hard-hitting interview tradition alive & well. We love em!

    1. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they cover a lot of important stuff that gets short shrift down here.

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    2. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by Maow · · Score: 1

      CBC's "As It Happens" & "The Current" news & current events programs are well worth a listen, eg, via podcasts.

      Warm - asking difficult questions sensitively (eg, about tragic stories), & providing time both for the whole answer -and- transitions between adjacent stories... sometimes playing fitting music between them.

      Smart - asking excellent & concise questions, giving time for interviewees' answers... but also asking excellent follow-up questions, so their probing questions -get- answered.

      Ever since the days of the (late) radio journo Barbara Fromm, these & other Canadian programs have kept the hard-hitting interview tradition alive & well. We love em!

      Love(d) AiH though haven't been listening in past couple years; still have to "second" your recommendation.

      Although - it's Barbara Frum - mother of David Frum, who was author of the "Axis of Evil" line whilst one of GW Bush's speech writers.

      More details here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Frum):

      In 1971, she joined CBC Radio as one of the first hosts of As It Happens, a newsmagazine program which used the telephone to conduct live interviews with newsmakers and other witnesses to news events, as well as quirky human-interest stories. Frum's skills as a tough, incisive and well-informed interviewer[4] quickly made the program one of CBC Radio's most popular and enduring programs (it still airs today, in virtually the same format)

    3. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by hajus · · Score: 1

      I liked the CBC's Lang and O'Leary. A financial daily show that often explained the finances around the world. I haven't found something comparable that talks about finances as globally on US TV. I get sick of the Washington focused news channels in the US.

    4. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do hope people realize that Al-Jazeera -like most middle eastern news sources- massively "cleans up" it's English language statements versus the arabic ones. To some extent this is justified. It is not all that uncommon for a middle eastern major to say that he'll painfully execute all cab drivers in the city if they don't learn to park better. That doesn't mean the guy has any plans to actually do that, and maybe it's acceptable to change the wording, even though doing so is bordering on a crime in American journalism.

      The problem is they do it for everything - or just carefully don't translate key parts (a good example whould be leaving Fatah ("let's conquer !") in arabic when covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict).

      Ah who am I kidding ? Nobody will notice this ?

    5. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      warm, smart women interviewers

      Interviewers that specialise in interviewing women? Do they have cold, dumb man interviewers too?

      Or did you mean "female interviewers"?

      It's OK, you can say "female". It's not sexist.

    6. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I believe that CBC gets it's free press tradition from the BBC as does the ABC and SBS stations here in Oz. I can't think of a US media organization that has that built in zeal for political independence, although I think the NYT and WP (pre-murdoch) do come close..

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    7. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is they do it for everything - or just carefully don't translate key parts (a good example whould be leaving Fatah ("let's conquer !") in arabic when covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict).

      There is a difference between a translation and a transliteration. For example in those same stories they say "Israel" as opposed to transliterating it as "With God".

      Figures of speech often don't translate very well, so in most cases when doing a news report you either skip over it or substitute what the euphemism means. With AJ, if you pay attention they add "quotes" around words and phrases when they do this in their text-based English addition.

      And if you think the US and other English based services don't do the exact same thing when translating into other languages, you're sorely mistaken.

    8. Re:CBC's AIH has warm, smart women interviewers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. Re:Unfair to USA for Arab to cover news about Arab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not their coverage of arab world they are worrying about it's their coverage of the conflict between the State of Israel (without any declared borders) and the since the UN vote State of Palestine.

  20. This would have been news ... by Auroch · · Score: 1

    After all, a non American involved in US broadcasting is clearly beyond the pale.

    The only people this will upset are the talking-heads journalists and folks who are too old (or too uninformed) to realize that the internet "does" TV.

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    1. Re:This would have been news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In other words the viewers of Fox News. Fox News is more closely aligned with terrorism in the form of activities spreading fear to terrorize the public in hopes of making political changes. The definition of terrorism is Fox News.

    2. Re:This would have been news ... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      After all, a non American involved in US broadcasting is clearly beyond the pale.

      The only people this will upset are the talking-heads journalists and folks who are too old (or too uninformed) to realize that the internet "does" TV.

      Not coincidentally, these are likely to be the only groups to care at all. Precisely for the same reason you mention.

    3. Re:This would have been news ... by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Not only this, but having lived many years abroad, AlJazeera is without doubt one of the top two or three news organizations in the world. Their reporters and reporting is a breath of fresh air in a world dominated by local news being broadcast as world news (think Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CCTV, and most news services around the world). While they do have an opinion and an attitude, it is worn on the outside without shame. It is very hard to get realistic news about the US inside the US, maybe now we will be able to.

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  21. Searched for "Gay" on their website by grimJester · · Score: 5, Informative

    Found stories like

    Are US evangelicals exporting anti-gay views?
    "A new report reveals conservative American Christian groups behind efforts to criminalise homosexuality in Africa." and

    What is Obama risking by backing gay unions?
    "We ask if the US president should go a step further by offering constitutional protection for gay and lesbian couples."

    Al Jazeera is far from conservative.

    1. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Jiro · · Score: 1

      It's also got an opinion column titled "Israel's Gaza Bantustan" linked on the front page. Of course conservatives in the US are favorable towards Israel, so that's not "conservative" either.

      It's definitely showing a hefty pro-third-world, pro-Muslim, and anti-Israel spin. Notice that even though your first example seems to be in favor of homosexuality, it also serves the purpose of deflecting blame for anti-gay activity away from Muslims.

    2. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's hard to have a pro-Israel spin if you are trying to be objective. How would you put a positive spin to constant war crimes, settlements, price tagging (i.e. kristallnacht type of terrorism), apartheid, checkpoints, destruction of EU financed projects, sieges and starvation of 1.8 million people? How do you put a positive spin to a cruel and unhuman occupation of a people?

      I don't know with what biased eyes you are looking, but I doubt anyone reporting on a cruel occupation has it easy to put a positive spin on it.

      Try googling there are a lot of interesting reports on the perception of Israel and they seem to update them pretty regulary: site:aljazeera.net israel

    3. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Though current networks have distinct pro-America, pro-Christianity, and pro-Israel spins, so I'm not really sure having a different perspective is a bad thing.

    4. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by guises · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article on homosexuality laws says nothing about Muslims. There has been a strong push recently in Uganda to make homosexuality punishable by death, and this has been spearheaded by Christian groups and linked to Christian groups in the US, most prominently the Fellowship Foundation ("The Family"):

      http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/11/25/author-links-sponsors-of-anti-homosexuality-bill-to-the-family/

      Though it's worth noting that this link has been repudiated.

      Yes, it's true that there are many Muslim groups who are also anti-gay, as well as groups from other religions (Mormons). This article does nothing to hide that fact, merely by not discussing it. That was not the topic at hand.

    5. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and this is exactly why no one should watch that crap. If you watch that station, then you agree with religious extremists to the level of the Westboro Baptist Church.

    6. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      They've got opinion pieces from a variety of points of view, mostly un-bigoted, cosmopolitan thought. Clearly the kind of Pinko menace that Al Gore would support.

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    7. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by lee1 · · Score: 1, Informative

      "this has been spearheaded by Christian groups and linked to Christian groups in the US" And applauded by the Pope: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pope-benedict-blesses-top-lawmaker-pushing-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill/politics/2012/12/13/56277

    8. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)#The_Fellowship_and_Uganda
      Its not what you make it out to be. Basically, one guy who is behind the bill mentioned that conversations with this group 4 years ago influenced him to make this bill. Thats not at all the same as "spearheaded by christian groups"; its "has a tenuous link to a single christian group".

      Im not suprised its "been repudiated", since its all based off of a single comment that one guy made, and is being blown up into some conspiracy by evangelical leaders.

    9. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by guises · · Score: 2

      It's a Ugandan bill, the christian groups spearheading it are obviously Ugandan. The link to US branch of The Fellowship is tenuous, claimed by David Bahati (sponsor of the bill and Fellowship member in Uganda), denied by Bob Hunter (who was, I guess, representing the American branch of the Fellowship. I can't find any information on him.).

      It's not based on a single comment, but it does seem to be coming from a single reporter, Jeff Sharlet, who apparently broke the story (or made it up, if that's your thinking). Here's a little more on it:

      http://wthrockmorton.com/2010/06/14/david-bahati-lou-engle-expressed-support-for-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-guest-post-by-jeff-sharlet/

    10. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I'm not surprised it's been repudiated either, Africa is big business to US evangelicals and that sort of a scandal could harm profits.

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    11. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't believe this was modded insightful. Maybe you should actually come to live and work in Israel instead of relying on Google and networks such as Al Jazeera (funded by people who call for the destruction of Israel and Jews among other peoples) before you judge us in Israel. It's even more disgusting you use Kristallnacht to talk about how things are here in relation to what I assume you mean is the Palestinians. Comparing us to Nazis is about the sickest thing you can do.

      I will quickly add that we receive the broadcasts from Al Jezeera in Israel and have for a long time, and it's a mix of attempts at unbiased coverage with often and unsurprisingly very slanted and censored journalism (but just a different kind than CNN or others).

      I don't know where you are getting your facts about Israel though. I and many of us would be happy to take you around our country. I think South Africans in particular, especially Israeli ones would be particularly offended by your comment there as well as they really lived in an apartheid country.

      I also assure you people are not starving first of all and that the Falfel is not bad in some places in some parts of the West Bank. If you think Wikipedia is a great source, then I raise you this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa (note Palestinians are 8th overweight in the world!).

      Regarding checkpoints, last time I checked, America also had checkpoints at its borders and even within the US. Have you ever driven North from San Diego on the 5 for example or in parts of Arizona, Texas, etc. ? I'm not saying America is great with this or even Israel, but checkpoints are sometimes a reality. Things can be done better, surely, but you try living in a place where your husbands, wives, children, and friends are constantly under the threat of real terrorism, and not just the theater you sometimes see in the US. Did you know Israelis, yes, Israeli citizens cannot even go to certain towns and cities, both in the so-called territories and some places even inside of undisputed parts of Israel? What other country has problems like these and keeps its own citizens out? The reason is if I go to Gaza, I will die. I can't say the opposite is true and at worst if someone comes without permission they might be arrested and sent back unless they are trying to blow something up.

      I personally have worked checkpoints during my reserve duty and I can tell you that I have found bomb materials in bags of children, women with detonator components, and men holding sick children trying to sneak in weapons. We have found things many times in ambulances, which is against every law of decency. Maybe you don't realize, but we need to keep our people safe and doing this is sometimes uncomfortable for everyone. We protect everyone, and this includes Arab Israelis, many of whom are Muslim, as well as other religious and ethnic groups such as Druze. And guess what, many of them serve at checkpoints and are among the most vigilant and suspicious people you will find. Every nation deserves the right to protect itself and checkpoints are an international norm at border crossings. And you know what else is a miracle? At the borders and within some of these places thousands of people pass every day without issues. Believe me when I say that no Israelis want to work checkpoints, especially not when you are 19, have to sit in some terrible place no matter the weather, and risk being blown up, shot, kidnapped, or stabbed every day.

      I could try to explain to you forever about who owns what, archaeology, history, and regional politics, but I am not sure based on your comments that you would listen. I can tell you from my perspective as someone who has served in the army here and been going to places like Gaza and Ramalah all my life what has happened. Imagine living in a place where literally your people's history is all around you and has been usurped by multiple cultures and conquerors from the Greeks and Romans to the Turks and Arabians. When I walk arou

    12. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      Why not compare Israel and the Nazis? There are many similarities between their actions - feeling of superiority, ethnic cleansing, 'Lebensraum'. The Nazis were more efficient at achieving their goals, but the goals seem to be the same as those of the Israeli government.

      While commenting on the quality of the food, you forgot to mention the Gaza strip, the largest concentration camp in the world.

      On the subject of checkpoints, I would like to know how many Canadian checkpoints there are inside the US. The problem with the checkpoints is not that they exist, but where they exist - outside the borders of Israel.

      And why should ancient history be given such weight in the region? Nearly every place on the Planet has been occupied by many different cultures and nations throughout history. Even the land where Israel now exists was occupied before the Jews settled there (after exterminating the previous inhabitants). Should every nation in the world move back to the land they occupied in 1AD? 1000BC? 1000 AD? Why should one culture be allowed to demand land they lost thousands of years ago, just because they were lucky enough not to be forced to abandon their culture when they lost their land?

      Palestine and Israel are both states born out of terrorism. So why should they be treated any differently? Just because one uses tanks while the other one uses home-made rockets does not make much of a difference. They should both be forced to come to an agreement regarding their borders.

    13. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do you put a positive spin on suicide bombings, incessant rocket attacks on civilians, constant propaganda devoted to demonization and calling for murder of Jews?

      It's hard to have a pro-Israel spin if you are trying to be objective. How would you put a positive spin to constant war crimes,

      Whenever there is constant war, there will be war crimes. Compared to other countries, Israel spends millions and millions researching precise weapons to minimize civilian casualties. Show me an army with a better record fighting an urban enemy using its own population as human shields.

      settlements,

      I am not fond of settlements, but Israel did win the land in a defensive war, so there is no reason Israelis shouldn't be allowed to live on it.

      price tagging (i.e. kristallnacht type of terrorism),

      No excuse for that -- but that is not government policy by any means.

      apartheid

      Bullshit. There is no segregation for Israeli Arabs. If you're referring to Palestinians and the wall, you may then as well call the US border with Mexico apartheid (although Mexicans are for the most part not trying to get into the US to murder as many Americans as possible).

      checkpoints

      Essential to enforcing security. As terrorism waned in the West Bank, many checkpoints have been dismantled. Also no checkpoints or settlements or anything else in Gaza -- still tons of rockets.

      destruction of EU financed projects

      When a building is used to launch rockets or as a bomb-making facility, it doesn't matter who financed it. It needs to be destroyed.

      sieges

      Only began after the rocket attacks from Gaza--how would you prevent importation of weapons materials?

      and starvation of 1.8 million people?

      2279 calories per day per person (Citation) is nowhere close to starvation or even malnutrition. Look up what hunger really means.

      How do you put a positive spin to a cruel and unhuman occupation of a people?

      I don't know with what biased eyes you are looking, but I doubt anyone reporting on a cruel occupation has it easy to put a positive spin on it.

      Try googling there are a lot of interesting reports on the perception of Israel and they seem to update them pretty regulary: site:aljazeera.net israel

      Unfortunately, I know the biased eyes with which you are looking only too well.

    14. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we Israelis wanted to be like the Nazis, we wouldn't put up with what we do. Sorry, like I said, no one wants to be guarding checkpoints, searching bags when they enter almost any building, etc. It's not a nice feeling for us, not to mention incredibly dangerous.

      As one of our commanders said when CNN and other news entertainment media accused of us of massacring people in Jenin, "If we wanted a massacre, it would have been over in two hours." Btw, there was no massacre but that was only admitted briefly on the air for a minute, after about a week of constant insinuations or overt lies.

      Our history by your own admission is ancient. We did not suddenly stop being a people, culture, etc. Indeed, there's evidence of that all around you. Many of us did not leave, and although a lot of us were killed as a result, we have always been in Israel and we always will be because it's our home. Don't try to give us some chunk of ice or somewhere in Africa as if you are doing us a favor out of some guilt or compromise. Our home is our home. By your logic, since we are the newest, it should be our land since this is modern times.

      Our state was not born out of terrorism. It always was a nation, but for a long time a conquered one. We were oppressed by the British and others and they were definitely no angels. In fact a lot of our current problems are of course of their lack of understanding of this region and their bribes to their arab allies. They literally put guns in the hands of our enemies and kept them out of ours. And this did indeed result in many massacres and people forced off their land on our side. There were some sensible British people thankfully who tried to help and we forever respect and love them. As such, many of our streets are named after them. In Gaza, many streets are named after terrorists.

      Please tell me where checkpoints exist outside of Israel. Show them to me on a map, because as far as I am aware, we have none in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Egypt. Speaking of which, you should really examine how these countries treat these so-called Palestinians. The Palestinians (btw this was a derogatory term originally for Israeli Jew since the Romans, funny they usurped it for propaganda) are treated the best in Israel. They like to complain because like most Muslim dominated cultures (see how they treat Christians, hint, not well) demand the destruction of non-Muslims, the Jews, and especially Israel. It fits their agenda. If they had Israel, they would then just kill each other like they do now, which is apparently also often the fault of Israel according to their media.

      Anyway, who should we come to an agreement with when they constantly talk about destroying us? Any of the Palestinians who have sense and work with us are literally strung up and killed. Hamas is intentionally recognized as a terrorist organization, not that I care what the world thinks anyway. Hamas's charter calls for our destruction, as does Fatah. The leader of Fatah is an anti-semite and Holocaust denier.

      I had rockets shot at me for days after our last cease fire with Hamas. We don't intentionally target civilians. We don't blow up school buses and fire into the roads indiscriminately. We don't murder olympic athletes. We have perhaps the most humane army in the world that participates in active combat. We get in trouble for shooting someone with a rubber bullet who is throwing fire bombs and worse at us. Our soldiers aren't even allowed to defend themselves without a trial to explain their actions if they discharge a weapon without lots of prior authorization even if it is in self-defense.

      This is our reality. Your reality is the couch and trolling with your hate and ignorance.

      If you think things are the same on both sides regarding hostility, bad tactics, terrorism, etc., you seriously need to wakeup and have your head examined. Let me break it down for you quickly, though it is only scratching the surface:

      1. If your civilians go to their areas, they have been and usually are lynched.

    15. Re:Searched for "Gay" on their website by dhermann · · Score: 1

      This is a far more interesting discussion than the original topic. Please continue.

  22. Queue the ignorant comments... by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yup here they come. Except for issues that have directly to do with the Qatari government and its interests (for example Arab Spring in Qatar), Al Jazeera english is quite fair and balanced. And they go a lot of places other news organizations are unable or unwilling to go. This may be unpleasant to Americans (the inside story of the civil war in Syria, for example), or even uncomfortable when the results of western action are exposed.

    In any case, give it a look see yourself. Go to their web site and watch right there online. Or do this:

    rtmpdump -v -r rtmp://aljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net/aljazeeraflashlive-live/aljazeera_eng_med | mplayer -

    1. Re:Queue the ignorant comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been following this network for month through youtube, didn't know this trick. Thank you very much!

    2. Re:Queue the ignorant comments... by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      I find that if a segment of their reporting is suspect, it all is. But as far as I've read their articles are generally good.

    3. Re:Queue the ignorant comments... by caseih · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by that? Any news organization is going to have spectacular and not-so-spectacular segments and stories. If you're going to suspect an entire organization based on a report you might not agree with, do you discount *all* of the world's news organizations? Reporters aren't perfect.

      Sometimes institutional bias does cause a mess (remember the BBC fiasco a few years ago). But if you read a variety of viewpoints, maybe there's something to be learned. I dunno. I tend to use BBC, CBC, and Al Jazeera for news generally.

      Seems like lately almost all news sites seem to have an anti-Israeli bias, but I will admit that some of Israel's actions and policies have made it hard for even the most unbiased reporter to not sound critical. And criticism I don't mind, provided it is fair.

    4. Re:Queue the ignorant comments... by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In common with most 'world news' channels that claim to be unbiased, Al Jazeera is actually pretty good, provided you change channels when they report (or omit) events close to home. The same applies to another channel that Americans are likely to dismiss on name alone, Russia Today - they actually provide a solid and unbiased English language news channel when reporting on things that (to them) are both foreign and outside their sphere of influence.

      My advice is, if you want a really independent view of the world, watch BBC World, Al Jazeera and Russia Today, and trust them whenever 2 or 3 out of 3 agree.

      (disclaimer - I've briefly appeared on all three as founder of the Pirate Party UK, but not received payment from any of them. I did accept awful tea and coffee from the BBC and Russia Today â" the Russians hired satellite link facilities from the BBC so it was the same studio with the same BBC drinks â" while Al Jazeera bought me a tea from Starbucks. From an interviewee's point of view, Al Jazeera asked the toughest questions, the BBC seemed to have the lowest budget but were the only ones who offered to cover my travel expenses, and Russia Today were he only ones who expected me to want to pre-approve their questions).

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    5. Re:Queue the ignorant comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia Today - they actually provide a solid and unbiased English language news channel when reporting on things that (to them) are both foreign and outside their sphere of influence.

      Seriously, you put Russia Today on the same line with BBC World and Al Jazeera? I think I would trust CCTV before I would trust Russia Today. Russia Today is ALL opinion talk, at least, every time I have tuned in to it. They don't even bother to bring in experts for the opinion pieces, they tend to Skype to some college kid who has no experience in anything, and think that they have all the answers to the worlds problems, and ask them to comment on news stories.

      I am honestly shocked that providers even offer Russia Today. I don't know anyone who actually watches it (other than you), or even knows that it exists. That is probably for the best. I think I would find a person more level headed if they watched MSNBC or Fox News than a person who watched RT.

  23. Composition fallacy and ad hominem by SuperBanana · · Score: 1, Troll
    Just because Fox News was/is used for political propaganda and furthering one person's conservative agenda doesn't mean every news outlet is, even ones owned by people who live in conservative societies.

    Furthermore, your comment is also a composition fallacy (or a hasty generalization fallacy, I'm not sure which), like declaring feminists man-haters, or men's rights advocates to be misogynists. Just because SOME are, does not mean ALL are. Just because he's an Sheik doesn't mean he holds certain viewpoints, nor does it mean that he's using his news service to further those beliefs. In fact, many powerful Arabs are using their power to further democracy in their culture and countries.

    Just a few examples I found, using site:aljazeera.com in google, all of which seemed pretty straightforward, factual reporting (granted, I read them quickly, but nothing leapt out at me, and none of the topics seemed verboten):

    Coverage of anti-gay-conversion-therapy law in California being struck down, which seems pretty balanced in terms of coverage, quoting people on both sides and devoting roughly the same page space (which is a damn sight better than my local city newspaper; they routinely bias a story and then throw 1-2 lines in about the other viewpoint, as a sort of token gesture. I live in a very progressive, liberal city/state): http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/12/2012122223728233995.html

    Coverage of the gay pride parade in India, with a dozen photos, including of someone identified as being transgender: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2012/11/20121126205837449408.html

    Coverage of Church of England lifting ban on gay ministers: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/2013156028132292.html

    Women in the Arab world:

    Editorial by Arab woman: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201142412303319807.html

    "Although there may be resistance to this process of emancipation, Tahrir Square and Qasaba are now part of the psyche and formative culture of Arab women. Indeed, they are finally given a voice to their long-silenced yearnings for liberation from authoritarianism - both political and patriarchal."

  24. Competition is a good thing. by some+old+guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure Nickelodeon and The Comedy Channel are already feeling the heat.

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    1. Re:Competition is a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since CC is pretty much the only US channel with a serious news show...

    2. Re:Competition is a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Al Jazera does have quite a bit of comedy, I watched a couple of their episodes before (in Arabic).

    3. Re:Competition is a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, rather, a couple of comedy shows/programming on the channel online, hehe. Sorry, it's late and I can't really think straight right now. Not sure if their English channel has/will have the same or similar programming. Maybe I'll watch it a few times and see.

  25. Fox "News" Now Has Competition by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    I believe with Al Jazera, and Fox "News"; we get White Noise! XD

    1. Re:Fox "News" Now Has Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Jazera is better then Fox "News."

      They actually cover world news and not just stick a bunch of pretty airheads and old rich white guys on 24/7 to fear-monger and spew murdock's propaganda. Watching it during the "arab spring" reminded me a lot of what CNN was in the early 90s when they were an actual news channel.

    2. Re:Fox "News" Now Has Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All news is warped and has a political slant - CNN, Fox, AJ, NYT, LAT, WashPost, OmahaWH, AJC, HoustonChron.... all of them. Hopefully, we are adult enough to read, watch, listen to multiple source and use all that "critical thinking" that we were supposed to learn to weed out all the opinion and get to the **FACTS** like news should report.

      Heck, my local news is always looking for some local angle on any news story. They reported how family members flew through our airport on the way to Conn. after that terrible massive shooting. Seriously. Seriously? I was reading newspaper in Japan and Buenos Aires that day - each also looked for a way to connect the same story back to their local people. They succeeded - a few Japanese nationals had kids in the school and a few former Argentineans (in the USA 15+ yrs) had kids there.

      All so-called news has a bias.

    3. Re:Fox "News" Now Has Competition by Sique · · Score: 2

      It is still news, even if it is biased. Each retelling of a story is an interpretation, and even the selection of a newsworthy story shows bias. Get over it. It's still news even though your strongly opiniated neighbor tells it. For some reasons, a lot of people still believe that news, told by the wrong person, somehow aren't true. It's still news.

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    4. Re:Fox "News" Now Has Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge difference between slanted, and propaganda. Fox News is planted firmly in the propaganda side.

    5. Re:Fox "News" Now Has Competition by CaptainLard · · Score: 1
      Indeed, with this deal, Fox News will no longer be the only Arab news channel widely broadcast in the US...

      In 2010, Alwaleed's stake in News Corp. was about 7% worth $3Bn; and News Corp. had a $70 million (9%) investment in Al Waleed's Rotana Group, the Arab world's largest entertainment company.

      - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal

  26. Rupert Murdoch is Australian by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Subject: I expect Fox News to report on this heavily.

    After all, a non American involved in US broadcasting is clearly beyond the pale.

    That was sarcasm, right? K. Rupert Murdoch, head of Fox News Channel's parent company Fox Group (formerly News Corporation), isn't even as American as Barack Obama.

    1. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you miss the last line?

      Here, let me repeat it:

      "Why next somebody from Rand McNally will make us wear hats on our feet and reverse the direction the water flows in our toilets."

      Now if you're not familiar with the context of the quote, I might understand, but you didn't even quote it.

    2. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Sique · · Score: 2

      So, Honolulu is in Kenya now? It's good to know.

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    3. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by colinrichardday · · Score: 5, Informative

      Article. IV.

      Section. 1.

      Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

      The State of Hawaii says that President Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.

    4. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only factual, but legal.
      I'd have modded you informative, but I already posted. Kudos.

    5. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0, Troll

      WTF does a woman's age have to do with anything at all? A mother is a mother. I don't give a flying fuck if the mother was only 13 when she gave birth, or she was 113. Both cases are very unusual, but neither case makes the least bit of difference to the child's nationality or much of anything else. The ONLY thing mother's age affects, is the likely impact on her own health, and the health of her child.

      "Barry" had an American mother, and a Kenyan father. He can claim either, both, or neither of those nationalities, as he chooses. Got that? AS HE CHOOSES.

      People who feel the need to split hairs should just sit at home, and pull their own hairs to split. Anal retentiveness has no value in the world at large.

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    6. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Maow · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's debatable seeing as neither was born here and Barry's mother was too young when she had him for him to be considered a citizen when he was born in Kenya.

      Doesn't matter if she was 11 years old and he was born on Mars.

      She was American; he is American.

      You, on the other hand, are a traitor to your country and ought to be deported to a state like North Korea where propaganda is true when repeated often enough.

    7. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State ... and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

      Arizona would like to argue your point with you.
      They have been sued for legally passing a law and attempting to enforce it. But I guess you will ignore cases that don't match your viewpoint while trotting out that statement when it does match your viewpoint.

    8. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is what always made me LMAO at these chuckleheads, they can't say what they really want which is "He's a nigger!" so they try to find another reason to get rid of him, even if that reason MAKES NO SENSE. The law could NOT be clearer on the fact, as long as the mother is an American who has not renounced her citizenship then the baby is an American PERIOD. If the father is of another country the baby can be of dual nationality but that does NOT change or remove his American citizenship in the process.

      I mean its so fucking simple and fucking obvious why things are set up this way, otherwise pregnant women would be afraid to get on a boat or a plane because 'ZOMFG the kid wasn't born on American soil!". Now if you wanna argue that the laws need to be fixed, so that so called "anchor babies" don't count? I'd agree with you, no other country lets you just sneak a pregnant woman across their border and suddenly gives the kid of an illegal invader full citizenship and benefits, that would be stupid, but giving the child of an American citizenship isn't stupid, its common fucking sense, especially in a world where you can go across the planet in less than a week.

      As for TFA? They couldn't lie to us any worse than our corporate owned MSM so I'm all for it, as we saw with Wikileaks all that matters to the MSM is US corporate and government interests. I didn't see a single news service say a fucking word about the revelation that Blackwater was selling kids as fuck toys to get better deals in both Kosovo and Afghanistan, all we heard was "Assange is a rapist pervert that should be shot for daring to post the truth!" so honestly they really can't tell us any more bullshit than we are already being fed. To quote the late Bill Hicks "Go back to sleep America, everything is fine, here is more stupid mind numbing television. Your leaders are in control and all is well, go back to sleeep"

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    9. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I agree with the first part, the criteria for natural born US citizen are

      A) be born in the US,
      OR
      B) BOTH parents are US citizens.

      Now, I don't personally know first hand if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, nor do I care; Hawaii says he was, and that's what legally matters. IF he was born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen, and his father was not, THEN he would not have been a natural born citizen, which is a requirement to being US President. Again, I don't take a position 1 way or the other, just that the state of Hawaii has certified that he was born in Hawaii, making the above situation moot.

      The question was also raised by people who were ignorant of the rules that John McCain was not born on US land, but on a ship at sea. The question was, does a US ship at sea count as US territory. Really, it was irrelevant since both of his parents were US citizens, so he was a natural born US citizen even if he was born in Antarctica.

    10. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You haven't been paying attention. Rupert Murdoch became a naturalized US citizen in 1985, so that citizenship restrictions on US media ownership would cease being a problem.

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    11. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Maow · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is what always made me LMAO at these chuckleheads, they can't say what they really want which is "He's a nigger!" so they try to find another reason to get rid of him, even if that reason MAKES NO SENSE. The law could NOT be clearer on the fact, as long as the mother is an American who has not renounced her citizenship then the baby is an American PERIOD.

      Couldn't agree more, hairy.

      no other country lets you just sneak a pregnant woman across their border and suddenly gives the kid of an illegal invader full citizenship and benefits, that would be stupid

      Actually, there are some other countries (Canada is another "advanced economy", for example):

      Antigua and Barbuda[9]
      Argentina Argentina[9]
      Barbados Barbados[9]
      Belize[9]
      Bolivia[9]
      Brazil Brazil[9]
      Cambodia[12]
      Canada Canada[9][13]
      Chile[14] (children of transient foreigners or of foreign diplomats on assignment in Chile only upon request)
      Colombia[9]
      Costa Rica[9][15] (Children born to non-Costa Rican citizens obtain citizenship if registered as a Costa Rican by the will of either parent during minority or by his own will up to the age of twenty-five)
      Dominica[9]
      Ecuador[9]
      El Salvador[9]
      Fiji[16]
      Grenada[9]
      Guatemala[9]
      Guyana[9]
      Honduras[9]
      Jamaica[9]
      Lesotho[17]
      Mexico[9]
      Nicaragua[9]
      Pakistan[9][18]
      Panama[9]
      Paraguay Paraguay[9]
      Peru[9]
      Saint Kitts and Nevis[9]
      Saint Lucia[9]
      Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[9]
      Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago[9]
      Tuvalu[19]
      United StatesUnited States[9]
      Uruguay[9]
      Venezuela[9]

      There are also some that have modifed jus soli (which it seems a good idea to do in the days of virtually immediate international travel).

    12. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by tepples · · Score: 1

      Are there things other than the office of President that aren't available to naturalized citizens?

    13. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by LordLimecat · · Score: 0

      He can claim either, both, or neither of those nationalities, as he chooses. Got that? AS HE CHOOSES.

      This isnt terribly relevant, but I dont believe thats quite how citizenship works in all situations, and the mother's age does matter.
      Read up here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute.2C_by_parentage

      Its a stupid argument, but best to have facts straight.

    14. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Not really true; if she was 11 when he was born he would NOT be a US citizen:

      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
        * the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
        * at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday

    15. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Entirely different points of law.

      The 'full faith and credit' clause explicitly requires each state to honor the assorted official paperwork of the other states.

      Arizona's legal trouble had nothing to do with other states failing to give it full faith and credit; but with the feds arguing that Article 6, clause 2:

      "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

      made Arizona's de-facto attempt at doing their own immigration enforcement(generally recognized as an enumerated federal power) null because of the supremacy of federal law already governing that matter.

      (The 'you look sorta mexican to me, show me your papers' aspect of it also had people concerned about the implications for the due process and equal protections clauses of the 14th amendment; but I don't think that that ended up being the deciding factor.)

      Incidentally, the big 'full faith and credit' case, that has never had its day in court, for whatever reason, is probably the one that would erupt if a homosexual couple duly married according to the procedures of a state where such is legal were to demand that a state where it isn't(or is overtly banned at the constitutional level) give full faith and credit to the actions of the state that married them. That one would get a bit touchy...

    16. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I understand what the "law" has said, at different times in our history. I completely reject the idea that the child of a female citizen of the United States of America might be denied citizenship based on the mother's age when she gives birth. Either she is an American, or she is not.

      The very idea that the mother's or the baby's citizenship is dependent on age hearkens back to the day when women were nothing more than chattel, belonging to men. Such laws are still in existence in much of the Moslem world. The idea of women as chattel has fired off some massive demonstrations in India, in recent days.

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    17. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Maow · · Score: 1

      Not really true; if she was 11 when he was born he would NOT be a US citizen:

      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if

        * the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and

        * at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday

      Thanks for the info.

      I've just been butt-bitten by my usage of reductio ad absurdum — serves me right. Though my point still stands.

      One thought though: if she were too young, and her child were born in a country that does not honour jus soli (citizenship by birth), where would that make the child a citizen of? Utterly stateless? Would it be a mere formality to obtain US (in this case) citizenship for the child? Has this ever been known to happen and what was the result?

    18. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The states are not unrestricted with respect to the kinds of laws they can pass - see 14th etc.

    19. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      Not really true; if she was 11 when he was born he would NOT be a US citizen:

      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if * the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and * at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday

      You forgot to include the previous sentence from the Wikipedia article:

      Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[6][emphasis added]
      If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth
      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[8]

      And so, if the person was born within the U.S. and the citizen parent resided in the U.S. for just one year, regardless of how old they were, the child would be a citizen.

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    20. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, it gets even better. McCain actually wasn't born in America, he was born in Panama.

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    21. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I should have included that, but didnt seem relevant in the context. Apologies if it was misleading.

    22. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I said here, (from wikipedia)

      If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
          * the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
          * at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday

      This applies to out-of-us-territory births, of course. It has nothing to do with "women as chattel", it has to do with whether we grant citizenship to folks born outside of our country when their parents may have insubstantial ties to this country.

    23. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Vice President of course. That has the same prerequisites as President.

    24. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Murdoch became a US citizen to enable him to buy into US media companies.

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    25. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, the big 'full faith and credit' case, that has never had its day in court, for whatever reason, is probably the one that would erupt if a homosexual couple duly married according to the procedures of a state where such is legal were to demand that a state where it isn't(or is overtly banned at the constitutional level) give full faith and credit to the actions of the state that married them. That one would get a bit touchy...

      That would be awesome. Could even lead to a schism between the states! If theres one thing I'd like to see in my life time (next to contact with extraterrestrials) it would be the breakup of the united states of america. I know, its a lot to ask.

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    26. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      McCain's parents were both Americans, so *where* he was born does not matter. Obama could have been born in North Korea and he'd have been 100% an American citizen if both his parents were American citizens. The problem is that Obama's dad was not an American, which meant that where he was born became much more important under the law.

      Of course, Hawaii says he was born there, and I see no reason to believe that they're covering for him, so the point is moot. His parentage was not an automatic natural-born citizenship, but his mother and where he was born together ensured that he does have that status.

    27. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by phantomfive · · Score: 0

      The problem is that Obama's dad was not an American, which meant that where he was born became much more important under the law.

      His mom was American. So it doesn't matter.

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    28. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      I should have included that, but didnt seem relevant in the context. Apologies if it was misleading.

      And upon re-reading my comment, I was wrong. A person born in the U.S. is covered under this:

      Statute, by birth within U.S.

      As of 2011, United States Federal law (8 U.S.C. 1401) defines who is a United States citizen from birth. The following are among those listed there as persons who shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

      "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" or

      "a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe" (see Indian Citizenship Act of 1924).

      "a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States"

      "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person"

      Note that this is the law as of 2011. Presumably Barack Obama's citizenship would be covered under the law in effect in 1961. However, since the Fourteenth Amendment would govern this (since Hawaii was admitted as the 50th state on August 21, 1959), the rules would most likely be as follows:

      Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1:
      All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

      The long standing and widely accepted interpretation of this clause strongly implies that regardless of the citizenship status of Obama's parents, he would be regarded a "natural born citizen."

      My apologies for using the wrong statute altogether.

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    29. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Impressively articulate, but wrong.

      - There is no criteria for 'natural born US citizen', and I'm not aware of anything related to requirements for both parents.

      - John McCain was born in Panama.

    30. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, years ago I moved abroad and went through the process of becoming a 'dual-national'. At the time, I had read that you couldn't be elected President if you were a citizen of more than one country (for obvious reasons). As I wasn't planning on running for the office, I wasn't too concerned. :-)

      Now from what I can gather, it seems that his father was Kenyan, which would suggest that he had British followed by Kenyan citizenship, which raises the question - did he renunciate his other citizenship and when?

    31. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, it should be 'renounce' not 'renunciate' - got it confused with renunciation.

    32. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donated a mod point for you.

    33. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      This is what always made me LMAO at these chuckleheads, they can't say what they really want which is "He's a nigger!" so they try to find another reason to get rid of him,. . .

      Is that so? So I guess that means you would also be implying that John McCain is simply "passing" for white?

      McCain's citizenship called into question - Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'
      Why Senator John McCain Cannot be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship
      McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

      I didn't see a single news service say a fucking word about the revelation that Blackwater was selling kids as fuck toys to get better deals in both Kosovo and Afghanistan

      The allegation is actually against DynCrop, and you're kidding, right? The media is full of that allegation, but what you don't see is this:

      This spring, the State Department inspector general began investigating whether DynCorp ignored signs of drug abuse among expatriate employees in Afghanistan. A related review into the dancing incident is "substantially completed" and "at this point, no criminal activity has been discovered," said Douglas Welty, State Department inspector general spokesman. -- Amid Reviews, DynCorp Bolsters Ethics Practices

      (If I recall correctly, the Dallas Morning News had quoted a State Deptment IG spokesman that made a stronger statement, unfortunately that story appears to be not online anymore.)

      To quote the late Bill Hicks . . .

      Must you?

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    34. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by romiz · · Score: 1

      The Canadian rules can be stupid too. If you're Canadian because you're born from Canadian parents outside of Canada, you need to be careful. Your children will only be Canadians if they are born in Canada.

    35. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      The Canadian rules can be stupid too. If you're Canadian because you're born from Canadian parents outside of Canada, you need to be careful. Your children will only be Canadians if they are born in Canada.

      Straight copy of the UK rules.

      I have to remind my French born, UK citizen, kids of this from time to time.

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    36. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Lyttek · · Score: 0

      The law could NOT be clearer on the fact, as long as the mother is an American who has not renounced her citizenship then the baby is an American PERIOD. If the father is of another country the baby can be of dual nationality but that does NOT change or remove his American citizenship in the process.

      {snip} To quote the late Bill Hicks "Go back to sleep America, everything is fine, here is more stupid mind numbing television. Your leaders are in control and all is well, go back to sleep"

      If you're going to harp about people being asleep, at least try to comprehend the argument that people are trying to make. NO ONE is saying he's not a citizen of the United States. Ok, repeat that: he is an American citizen. That is NOT the argument people make. He is a citizen. Can we move on to the actual argument people are making? Here's what people are saying: that while he may be a citizen, that under the Constitution he is NOT a "natural-born citizen". Are you grasping this yet? To put it another way, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All Natural-Born Citizens are Citizens, but not all Citizens are Natural-Born Citizens.

    37. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can we move on to the actual argument people are making? Here's what people are saying: that while he may be a citizen, that under the Constitution he is NOT a "natural-born citizen".

      The Constitution does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen". The common interpretation is that it means you were a citizen at the time you were born. Since you are considered a citizen at birth if your mother is a citizen, regardless of where in the world you are born, the parent is technically correct. (The best kind of correct)
      If your argument was true, then McCain would not have been able to run as he was born in Panama.

      The point is that this was NEVER even a debate, nobody cared or bothered to make a big deal out of it as long as the candidates had white skin. But suddenly there's a Nigger in the Whitehouse getting his chicken grease all over the china and we certainly can't have that going on.

    38. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Honolulu is in Kenya now? It's good to know.

      Well, my new Apple iPhone(TM) map app does show that.

    39. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Hatta · · Score: 1

      This is what always made me LMAO at these chuckleheads, they can't say what they really want which is "He's a nigger!" so they try to find another reason to get rid of him, even if that reason MAKES NO SENSE.

      Which is even more ridiculous, since Obama has committed numerous impeachable acts, they're just ones the far right agrees with. From warrantless wiretaps, to violating the war power act, to outright assassinations of US citizens with no due process, Obama could be out of office tomorrow if Congress ever decided they want to enforce the law.

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    40. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Personally I'd support it, as long as they also brought Dubya up to the Hague to be tried for war crimes. But this is why you can't change a corrupted system by working within that system, because both sides are completely corrupt!

      And I bet my last dollar you won't see the right going after a Dem for having his fly unzipped like they did with old Bill after they got a couple of their reps caught doing pages and rent boys, I'm sure they got the message loud and clear. basically if Nixon were elected today and pulled Watergate you'd see both sides rushing to defend him and Woodward and Bernstein would be out of a job, if they were lucky, if not they'd be in jail. Welcome to Amerika comrade, be sure not to question our dear leaders.

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    41. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by superwiz · · Score: 1

      If you want to argue the Communist propaganda, just as an advise, don't try to argue racism. Anyone making an accusation of racism is nowadays considered to have no legitimate point to make. In fact, most people will stop listening the moment you make that accusation. It just doesn't carry water anymore.

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    42. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Don't forget restricting religious practices. Although, to be fair, the 1st Amendment only forbids Congress from restricting exercise of religion. It makes no such prohibition on the executive.

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    43. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by superwiz · · Score: 1

      But everything about Romney was born in America. Including his religion.

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    44. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by superwiz · · Score: 1

      McCain wasn't born on a ship at sea. He was born on a US military base in Panama. Today US considers US military bases sovereign territory akin to embassies. It is ambiguous whether such consideration was given to US bases at the time of McCain's birth.

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    45. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, Honolulu is in Kenya now? It's good to know.

      Yeah, that is what Apple Maps tells me ;)

    46. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by dwye · · Score: 1

      One thought though: if she were too young, and her child were born in a country that does not honour jus soli (citizenship by birth), where would that make the child a citizen of? Utterly stateless? Would it be a mere formality to obtain US (in this case) citizenship for the child? Has this ever been known to happen and what was the result?

      The child would probably be state-less, until naturalized somewhere. The Wikipedia article on jus soli has a section on modifications (i.e., restrictions) to it, and one of the reported criticisms is that it leads to statelessness.

    47. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by dwye · · Score: 1

      Oh, it gets even better. McCain actually wasn't born in America, he was born in Panama.

      In the Canal Zone, which was treated as a US base (i.e., US territory for almost all purposes, just like an embassy is). Not in any state, but then, neither are Puerto Ricans, Samoans (American Samoa, at least), or Hawaiians born before 1960, and it doesn't affect their citizenship status.

    48. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Crosshair84 · · Score: 1

      I sometimes think the government does what it can to let those sorts of movements grow in order to keep people distracted from the much more boring, but much more harmful things the government is really doing.

      That and I would bet quite a few of those people would be absolutely fine if it was George Bush doing it. I and others have said it repeatedly that Obama is just repeating all the policies of George Bush. The rhetoric is a little different, but the policies are effectively the same, more bailouts, more war, more of the same failed low interest rate economic policy. So in some ways, they need some way to denounce Obama, yet do it without denouncing the policies that they would support if it was Bush/Romney doing them.

      Seems like nothing is going to change until the dollar tanks and 40 years of exported inflation come back to the US.

    49. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      She was a citizen at her birth, and was a citizen at the time of his birth. There is an unconstitutional clause in law that requires a mother be over 18 to confer citizenship, but it's never been tested in court because it's never been applied (when registering my children's birth abroad, I was never asked the age of the parents at birth).

    50. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They were sued because the law is racist, and supremacy means that states can't pass laws that interfere with federal laws. And yes, I know the law explicitly states it isn't racist, but it's like every sentence that starts with "I don't mean to be XXX, but..." where they are exactly what XXX is, even though they explicitly state they are aren't. I don't mean to be an ass, but you are a fucking retard if you can't understand that. I don't mean to be rude, but your mother has sex with horses, for cash, and sells the videos, her largest customer being your uncle.

    51. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Full Faith and Credit was outlawed by the Conservatives in the US because the Conservatives hate the Constitution. And gays. Can't have a scrap of that worthless piece of paper forcing Kansas to recognize marriages performed in WA or CT or CA or wherever. Conservatives hate the constitution more than anyone else, they just lie about it in an attempt to take the higher ground and lie about the other guys being the Constitution haters.

    52. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I note that almost all are in the Western Hemisphere.

    53. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so now Mr Barack "57-states of the US" Obama is a Republican? That's even more far fetched than Honolulu being in Kenya

    54. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Panama is in America.

    55. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're still missing the point. People were saying that he would still be American even if he was born in Kenya. But this is not true in all cases, such as if his mother was 11 when he was born.

    56. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      I think you're still missing the point. People were saying that he would still be American even if he was born in Kenya. But this is not true in all cases, such as if his mother was 11 when he was born.

      I made that point in a previous post. I was correcting an error from another post where I called someone else out for omitting important information when I used the wrong statute altogether. Now that we're all on the same page, carry on.

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    57. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Which religious practices has Obama restricted?

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    58. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, ok, I was wrong about the ship at sea. He was in fact born in Panama. However, I was correct about the first point.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

      and I guess I didn't remember the entirety of citizenship laws. If both parents are married and US citizens, the child is a citizen. If only 1 is a parent, some extra criteria are considered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute.2C_by_parentage

    59. Re:Rupert Murdoch is Australian by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      So pointing out that words like "muzzie" and "towelhead" are being used as placeholders for nigger "doesn't hold water anymore", is that right? Pretending something doesn't exist doesn't make it go away ya know, and living in the deep south I can tell you there is a LOT of hatred on BOTH sides, with blacks calling Romney "that dumb cracker" and whites calling Obama "muzzie" or "towelhead" because most know that they can't say nigger in polite company anymore.

      I would be the first to agree that the race card is played too often, especially blacks who want to blame everything that has ever gonna wrong in their life to YT but on the flipside it doesn't do any good to outright ignore racism when it is frankly fairly obvious. Hell the ultra right has been using code words to appeal to the more racist ring wing elements for years, phrases like "forced busing" and "welfare queens" being just 2 off the top of my head. Trying to pretend that doesn't exist simply lets it fester and get more blatant like with the "muzzie" crap.

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  27. irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't even pay for TV. no thanks, keep your fecal matter in your own mouth.

  28. Good. by detritus. · · Score: 2

    My local PBS station carries Mhz Worldview which carries Russia Today, Al Jazeera, France 25 and NHK World broadcasts. I welcome this move.

    Hopefully we won't bomb their headquarters again like we did in Iraq. I can honestly say I get better, factual news from international sources about my own country than what CNN/MSNBC/Fox/ABC/CBS provides. It's pretty easy to see where the blackouts are when all the US networks won't cover one story but the international networks do.

    Yet people are still pissed off because AJZ played Osama Bin Laden videos? I for one wanted to hear what he had to say. I think Americans deserve to hear all perspectives.

    1. Re:Good. by kenh · · Score: 1

      "Yet people are still pissed off because AJZ played Osama Bin Laden videos?"

      No, they are pissed because they supressed some of the tapes, edited or delayed the release of others.

      From the linked-to article:

      The network even canned an interview with Bin Laden conducted in October 2001, the month after the September 11 terror attacks in the US, because it did not consider it to be in al-Jazeera's style.

      I bet many would have liked to have seen that interview one month after the September 11 terror attacks...

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    2. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The network even canned an interview with Bin Laden conducted in October 2001, the month after the September 11 terror attacks in the US, because it did not consider it to be in al-Jazeera's style.

      I bet many would have liked to have seen that interview one month after the September 11 terror attacks...

      True... but if you remember the general hysteria in the US in October 2001, running it would have probably got all the journalists and editors involved surprise first class tickets on a midnight flight, taking them to a lengthy and fully comp'ed stay in a Cuban vacation resort.

    3. Re:Good. by kenh · · Score: 1

      Every major US news organization ran every OBL video they could get their hands on, as did MOST foreign news outlets. None of them were whisked off to Git'mo.

      Witholding OBL videos from the public/intelligence agencies would have been more likely to earn them an all-expense paid vacation, that puts AJZ on the side of the terrorists, not the US Gov't/Coalition forces.

      Remember, the interview was done AFTER the attacks, with the full knowledge of the attacks - if they were afraid of being seen as supporting OBL, they would have never scheduled the interview in the ifrst place.

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  29. Web url for watching by caseih · · Score: 2

    Here's the web url for watching if you don't want to use mplayer or vlc:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

    1. Re:Web url for watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the URL. As an observation of a technical nature let me say the live streaming video flawlessly and smoothly played over a low-speed, high-speed Internet connection. When I have attempted to watch "canned" news broadcasts from the major Canadian news networks there is always pauses due to buffering and no live news broadcasts are accessible unless you pay a monthly subscription fee if at all possible. Oddly, despite claims to the contrary by some /. posters there was not a single anti-Western news segment during the approximately 30 minutes I watched the Al Jazerra website. Put that in your pipe Bill O'Reilly.

  30. "terrorist" of course meaning "i can't handle the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "terrorist" of course meaning "i can't handle the truth".

    Really.

    Even if it were completely biased, you'd at THE VERY LEAST know what people are saying.

    But, apparently, the wrong sort of speech isn't free, it's terrorism.

  31. Mixed feelings. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've watched some of it and I have subscribed to their news via RSS for years. It is boring propaganda the same as what comes out of NPR and FOX. It has been bankrolled secretly by the CIA as a kind of "voice of america". Though this connection was made public last year the "quality" has remained the same. If you want real news you are better off with local news and podcasts in America. Small outlets that do not have to be politically correct...

  32. Political Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US has the problem of high ideals with news and justice, and of course, you get Fox News and whatnot. Other places in the world have no illusion that news from a particular company has a political bias.. but then how do you get to objective news from there? I have no doubt that for those in the Arab world, the bias of Al-J is clear.. I dont think its a huge deal, just know it when you turn it on. Personally? I dont have much interest in the Arab world so I won't be watching.. I support it being available though... haha - I even support Fox and Russia Today! though they are almost self-parody somedays...

  33. Saving the Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So the Supreme Environmentalist sold his TV channel for $100 million in oil money. The planet thanks you Commander Gore!

    1. Re:Saving the Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Gore's hypocrisy in all this will be ignored by some. For all of his bluster and televangelism demonising others (sometimes falsely) for accepting money from "Big Oil" interests, when offered a paycheck from an organisation funded by people in the "Big Oil" business, he happily accepts it.

    2. Re:Saving the Planet by BlueStrat · · Score: 0, Troll

      So the Supreme Environmentalist sold his TV channel for $100 million in oil money. The planet thanks you Commander Gore!

      They had an offer from Glenn Beck's network "The Blaze" to purchase Reason TV, and were swiftly rejected for ideological reasons, but the sale to Al Jaz was happily approved because they are "sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view".

      http://now.msn.com/glenn-beck-tried-to-buy-current-tv-but-was-rejected

      Who knew Current TV had so many suitors? Before Al-Jazeera snapped up Al Gore's little-watched cable network, Glenn Beck tried to buy it, but, as Beck himself tweeted, "we were rejected by progressive owners." The conservative media personality's TheBlaze approached Current last year but was told that "the legacy of who the network goes to is important to us and we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view," according to a source familiar with the negotiations. Current's new pan-Arab owner may not align with everyone's point of view, either: Time Warner Cable yanked Current from its lineup within hours of the sale, right in the middle of Eliot Spitzer's nightly show. [Source]

      So, I guess exploiting middle-east oil money and radical Islamic terrorism are more "aligned" with Al Gores' and Reason TVs' views.

      "By their actions, ye shall know them."

      Strat

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    3. Re:Saving the Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Al Jazeera, its audience, and progressives all support terrorism!" --BlueStrat's fuckwit implication of the day.

      Back to The Blaze with you, please.

    4. Re:Saving the Planet by BlueStrat · · Score: 0

      "Al Jazeera, its audience, and progressives all support terrorism!" --BlueStrat's fuckwit implication of the day.

      Back to The Blaze with you, please.

      I never said nor implied that. Nice strawman you've made there, why do you beat it so?

      Well, this IS Slashdot...I probably shouldn't ask a "fuckwit" (to use his own ad hominem appellation) AC questions about "beating" *anything*. :-/

      I let their own words and actions speak for them in the quote and link cited. I suggest that if you're unhappy about what they said and/or did because you somehow think what they said and/or did implies they support terrorism, you should take it up with them.

      I understand also that "shooting the messenger" is the standard response for partisan political hacks that want to distract people from an "inconvenient" fact, question, or occurrence.

      Strat

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    5. Re:Saving the Planet by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      So, I guess exploiting middle-east oil money and radical Islamic terrorism are more "aligned" with Al Gores' and Reason TVs' views.

      "By their actions, ye shall know them."

      Strat

      Since when does Al Jazeera have anything to do with Islamism or terrorism? Is it because they both have "Al" in their name? (Oh god- so does Al Gore!).

      Although it is valid enough to question whether they have bias in their reporting (hardly a new thing; see Fox News), their editorial style is usually on the liberal, rather than conservative, side. There's no reason why Al Gore wouldn't see them as an ideological match for his own channel.

    6. Re:Saving the Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does Al Jazeera have anything to do with Islamism or terrorism?

      Ah, someone who is unaware (or hopes others are) of the tone, bias, and content of Al Jazeera's Arabic-language division, I see.

    7. Re:Saving the Planet by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      "Al Jazeera, its audience, and progressives all support terrorism!" --BlueStrat's fuckwit implication of the day.

      I never said nor implied that. Nice strawman you've made there, why do you beat it so?

      Nope, you said

      So, I guess exploiting middle-east oil money and radical Islamic terrorism are more "aligned" with Al Gores' and Reason TVs' views.

      "By their actions, ye shall know them."

      No similarity whatsoever.

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    8. Re:Saving the Planet by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      We must read things quite a bit differently, because what I come away with from that is that a media entity aligned with conservative interests reacted capriciously and childishly when things didn't go their way.

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    9. Re:Saving the Planet by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      We must read things quite a bit differently, because what I come away with from that is that a media entity aligned with conservative interests reacted capriciously and childishly when things didn't go their way.

      If The Blaze is so capricious and childish, then why is it that Reason TV is going broke because it has no audience while The Blaze TV is growing and expanding at a rapid rate?

      And what exactly was it in their "reaction" that you found capricious and childish? That they reported they were turned down on purely ideological grounds, but apparently that "ideology" doesn't preclude an environmentalist icon choosing to take millions in oil money over other options not tied to Mideast oil interests?

      Is it the reporting of "inconvenient" facts like that you find capricious and childish?

      Don't all those mental, ethical, and moral gymnastics required to validate and defend your views make you tired and cranky all the time? You poor thing! You must be a wreck by now!

      Strat

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  34. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about aljazeera america. I've been following aljazeera-english for a long time now and some days ago I saw a precious documentary about a jewish woman, survivor of the shoa searching for a youth love.
    So please, don't try to justify your racism using antisemitism please...

  35. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you look at their English edition and track the history of reporting on different countries you'll notice that articles about the US are far more likely to have the comment system enabled, while articles about Middle East countries, Russia, or China almost always have the comments disabled. When you see that most of the comments are anti-US and anti-Jewish, you will wonder whether it's an underhanded way of maintaining a veneer of neutrality while still guiding opinion.

  36. Al Jazeera is a lap dog by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its owner is the state of Qatar, hosts to the U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and Combined Air Operations Center. There is nothing "radical" about them. All "news" must receive clearance, Clarence...

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    1. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Citation needed.

      What you've just said is a total crock of shit.

    2. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Why is a guy named Clarence approving the geopolitical views of Al Jazeera?

    3. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Nemyst · · Score: 0

      Looking at state news channels (CBC, BBC PBS to an extent, etc.) compared to private news channels (FOX, NBC, CNN, etc.), I think being state-owned is actually preferable...

    4. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      To continue the list, when I checked out Voice of America it was a lot better than I expected, and RT's not bad either, at least when reporting on things other than Russia.

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    5. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RT is fucking trash. For example, they openly promote 9/11 conspiracy nonsense. Which makes their broadcasters either: a) ignorant cunts, or b) panderers to ignorant cunts.

    6. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roger, Roger.
      What's our vector, Victor?

    7. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike all current US TV stations, which are lapdogs of the US industry (just like the two parties that form the government)... ;)

      Not saying them being lapdogs of the Qatar government is good. Hell no. They wouldn't ever show Arab spring news about Qatar!

      I'm just saying, that that is not a reason not to watch it, since the same is true for ALL us channels.

      IMO, if I want to see Qatar Arab spring news, I go to the BBC, and when I want to see US occupy movement news, I go to Al Jazeera. You just have to pick the one that is on your side. (And make no mistake: The US government doesn't care about the Arab spring. It only cares that its *own* dictator is in control. See: Egypt. They bitch because it's not *their* evil dictator. When it was -- Gaddafi was officially a friend of the US -- they didn't even blink.)

    8. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From: http://www.centcom.mil/press-releases/centcom-exercises-new-forward-headquarters-in-qatar

      As part of a long-planned training evolution, United States Central Command is deploying about 750 people from its Tampa headquarters to its new forward headquarters at Al Udeid Air Base, Doha, Qatar.

      From: http://www.heritageofqatar.org/sites-to-visit-in-qatar/

      Qatar has a close relationship with the United States military and is “U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center.”

      From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/qatar.htm

      An extremely advantageous (for the U .S.) Defense Cooperation Agreement governs the U.S. military presence in Qatar, which as of 2008 hosted approximately 9,000 U.S. forces, some 100 U.S. and Coalition aircraft, as well as the CENTCOM Forward Headquarters, the Combined Air Operations Center, SOCCENT Forward Headquarters, and other important DOD facilities. Qatar had no objection to stationing B-1 bombers and Patriot missile batteries here, and regularly sent military personnel to the U.S. for training.

    9. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Xest · · Score: 1

      America has a base in Cuba, but I don't see Cuba exactly being a US lapdog.

      If the only tenuous link that can be provided is that America has a base in Qatar and America/Qatar have military cooperation then I think that's a pretty weak link in suggesting Al Jazeera is somehow beholden to the US.

      Especially as the GGP's post about Al Jazeera's stories all having to be approved by the Qatari government is an out and out light.

      All sounds more like a bunch of typical "OMG FOREIGN SOUNDING NAME!" xenophobia than any actual solid valid criticism with some actual evidence behind it.

    10. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They surely could have found a shirley right?

    11. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      moreover the way things have gone for america lately it's a liability for USA if they have a base in Qatar.. Qatar can ask them to leave, but USA thinks the base is necessary so it's a bargaining chip - just not necessarily in the direction one would first expect.

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    12. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      Does that mean Fox News is the saudi royal family's lapdog? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal

    13. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, yes. As opposed to the "news" through the lenses of the reporters "embedded" with the US military, I suppose. Physician, heal thyself.

    14. Re:Al Jazeera is a lap dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the citation to the actual thing he claimed, you fucking putz?

      He said that Al Jazeera requires US State clearance to broadcast.

      Make with the fucking evidence, or fuck off back to your mother's stank cunt.

  37. sloppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Jazeera is probably no better (or worse) than any of the american news networks. Unfortunately, that's not a particularly strong supporting argument ...

    You assert a couple sentences prior that you can't judge, then do anyway.

  38. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of Al Jazeera, I discovered that there are Israelis - Jewish Israelis - who are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and who actually want a two state solution.

    We mostly hear the right wing-pro settlement-us against the World-Right Wing Nuts here on US based news outlets.

    Of course, as far as Fox is concerned,Israel first - even if it contradicts US interests. Fox is actually a traitor network when you think about it: damn the US if something hurts Israel.

  39. They're a good news source by msobkow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read Al Jazeera's English website regularly. They provide good news, good video clips, and seem right up there with the BBC or CBC for the quality of their reporting.

    But unlike the BBC and CBC, a lot of their news is about Asia and Africa, areas which aren't even *mentioned* on "mainstream" channels unless there is a major disaster or a few dozen people killed.

    Oddly enough, they manage to cover the world with only one front page to their website, the same screen real-estate that the other channels have.

    In comparison, the BBC and CBC are "local" news channels. And the US news feeds are just a freakin' joke -- they don't cover anything that can't be directly related to US white house policy. Navel-gazing waste of time -- no wonder most Americans are so ignorant about world politics and economic issues.

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    1. Re:They're a good news source by isorox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I read Al Jazeera's English website regularly. They provide good news, good video clips, and seem right up there with the BBC or CBC for the quality of their reporting.

      But unlike the BBC and CBC, a lot of their news is about Asia and Africa, areas which aren't even *mentioned* on "mainstream" channels unless there is a major disaster or a few dozen people killed.

      Oddly enough, they manage to cover the world with only one front page to their website, the same screen real-estate that the other channels have.

      In comparison, the BBC and CBC are "local" news channels. And the US news feeds are just a freakin' joke -- they don't cover anything that can't be directly related to US white house policy. Navel-gazing waste of time -- no wonder most Americans are so ignorant about world politics and economic issues.

      The BBC gives a tailored page depending on where you're connecting from.

      In the U.S. You get the U.S. front page. That's what americans want. I'm currently sat in Singapore, the stories on the front page are
      MAIN
      * Venezuela
      * India
      * Sudan

      VIDEO
      * Spain
      * USA
      * Czech Republic
      * UK

      Special report
      * arab uprisings
      * eurozone

      Now if I go through a U.S. proxy it's similar, drops the Sudan piece for some non-news on yet-another-shooting in Colorado. The in depth reports are different though.

      * Venezuela
      * India
      * Colorado

      VIDEO
      * Venezuela
      * Bolivia
      * Denmark

      SPECIAL REPORTS
      * China
      * US Election
      * US Sex Slaves

      It's only very recently that BBC World has become more widely viewable in the u.s.,

    2. Re:They're a good news source by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      The BBC gives a tailored page depending on where you're connecting from.

      In the U.S. You get the U.S. front page. That's what americans want.

      I'm American, and I don't want that. But they let me switch to the international front page, so it's all good.

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    3. Re:They're a good news source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Special report on the Eurozone is news? I've been following the "crisis" for literally years now. It stopped being news when the Germans decided they weren't interested in saving it on less than beneficial terms. The rest of the world has moved on.

  40. Al Jazeerah is BBC by mrops · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was formed when BBC closed it Arabic division. Those folks went and started Al Jazeerah.

    It is criticized as too west in the Arab world.

    JFYI.

    1. Re:Al Jazeerah is BBC by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      It is criticized as too west in the Arab world.

      Quite, and partly because Al Jazeera has shifted a bit over the years and become more mainstream. More careful about offending western powers. Al Jazeera actually bought Al Gore's channel because everyone (almost) refused to take them so with their own channel they hope to get around that. There will be a lot of opposition to this. Because people are concerned about fairness and balance(note that I manage to keep a straight face.).
      This one came in a few days back: Incursion.
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-jewish-leaders-express-concern-about-impending-al-jazeera-incursion-into-millions-of-american-homes.premium-1.491978

    2. Re:Al Jazeerah is BBC by Kagato · · Score: 1

      Except a lot of the Brit editors left after a couple years claiming they were getting pressure from management to present certain talking points/POV.

    3. Re:Al Jazeerah is BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too western in the Arab world, and too Arabic in the western world. Sounds about right to me.

  41. The big question about Al Jazeera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did they get all those OBL videos, but never could tell us the trail the video came from, so we could get OBL?

  42. It is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans deserve to see their version of facts and decide for themselves which spin tickles their fancy best.

  43. Time-Warner Cable by kenh · · Score: 0

    Time-Warner Cable has dropped Current/Al Jazeera's network post-haste.

    I suspect other providers (cable companies and satellite companies) will soon follow, for the same reasons they choose not to carry Al Jazeera before they bought Current - whatever those reasons were...

    It has been reported that Current couldn't garner more than 22,000 viewers during prime time... The sale of current gives these providers a chance to dump this complete waste of spectrum Current/Al Jazeera. (That was 22,000 viewers out of a potential 40 Million - that is one half of one-tenth of one percent of their potential viewers.)

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  44. Oh the Irony by AntiBasic · · Score: 1

    The first is that the Goracle accepts $100,000,000 of dirty oil money. The second is they closed the deal before the end of the year to avoid higher taxes. I thought democrats wanted higher taxes on the wealthy?

    Again, nothing wrong with a muslim, foreign nation's state owned media apparatus broadcasting into other nations. Could you imagine the outcry if the CBN bought the BBC?

    1. Re:Oh the Irony by whistlingtony · · Score: 4, Insightful
      " they closed the deal before the end of the year to avoid higher taxes. I thought democrats wanted higher taxes on the wealthy?"

      The deal closed after the new year. Gore will pay higher taxes. You're either wrong, or lying.

      " [] a muslim, foreign nation's state owned media apparatus broadcasting into other nations"

      What's wrong with muslims? We can talk about who's controlling the strings, and if that's good or not, but you busted out Muslim as a bad thing all by itself.

      You should perhaps consider that you're an uninformed racist, at best.

    2. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any issues with Fox "News" being partially owned by the Saudiarabian princes, and the rest owned by some Australian schmuck?

    3. Re:Oh the Irony by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Could you imagine the outcry if the CBN bought the BBC?

      Current TV was America's BBC?

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    4. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You're either wrong, or lying"
      Gore tried to push the deal through before the new year to avoid paying higher taxes. He didn't succeed. But he's still an incredible hypocrite.

    5. Re:Oh the Irony by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Gore tried to push the deal through before the new year to avoid paying higher taxes. He didn't succeed. But he's still an incredible hypocrite.

      Do you really expect them to turn down the $Millions that they'd be able to keep by closing the deal a week earlier? Gore claimed to be a Democrat -- not an altruist, a martyr or a fool. You don't usually get to be rich by turning down easy (and legal) money.

      In this case, the deal wasn't closed before the deadline, so the higher tax rate is being paid. This is a far cry from creating foreign accounts or entities (mostly just paper tigers) to run the deal so as to avoid local taxes altogether.

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    6. Re:Oh the Irony by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Gore tried to push the deal through before the new year to avoid paying higher taxes. He didn't succeed. But he's still an incredible hypocrite.

      Hypocrisy would be going for the break himself while arguing that someone else who did the same thing was just trying to evade taxes.

      There's nothing hypocritical about operating intelligently in the current medium. Unfortunately, that still doesn't prevent you from absorbing it.

      --
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    7. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either that or one of the four people that actually watched Current

    8. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should perhaps consider that you're an uninformed racist, at best

      Why would he do that? The only person mentioning race is you.

      The first is that the Goracle accepts $100,000,000 of dirty oil money. The second is they closed the deal before the end of the year to avoid higher taxes. I thought democrats wanted higher taxes on the wealthy?

      Again, nothing wrong with a muslim, foreign nation's state owned media apparatus broadcasting into other nations. Could you imagine the outcry if the CBN bought the BBC?

    9. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The name calling from the left after their world-view is contradicted is getting really, really old.

    10. Re:Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when was Muslim a race?

  45. Re:frosty piss by hoboroadie · · Score: 0

    This is why its a good thing that it should require less than a Google search to find Al Jazeera.
    Some folks just need the extra help.

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  46. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Owned by an Arab Sheik, IÃ(TM)m sure it will be faire and balanced towards womanÃ(TM)s rights in the Arab World, Jewish issues, and of course homosexuals.

    The moderators are just as ignorant and prejudiced as yourself. You could have taken the time to just go to their Web site and watched their live streaming news or read some of their articles.

    Most Americans would probably consider Al Jazeera's news to be "progressive", "leftist", "socialist", or some other usual term that over-generalizes. Too bad most Americans won't even bother trying to find out. Most Americans prefer to be ignorant and live with their own prejudices (just like much of the Muslim world). Also, for all you ignorant Americans out there: Al Jazeera has always had a problem with being banned/blocked in many Muslim countries as well. I assure you that it isn't just Americans who are ignorant and intolerant.

    In general I find there reporting far, far more objective than American news stations, and their news coverage is far more scholarly and less sensationalistic than CNN or Fox News. I assure you that Hollywood celebrities (or middle eastern celebrities) don't make it to the front page (on their Web site) too often.

  47. Big Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big Media will refuse to carry them because they'll have no say so in how or what they report on. As it stands today, every majoelr news source is owned by a larger parent company. The news you and I receive via their networks are tweaked to reflect their own spin on whatever they are reporting. Is why Fox is pro-republican and CNN is pro-democrat.

    The biggest nightmare the government can possibly have is news they cannot control, manipulate or sanitize prior to broadcast.

  48. Let Me Understand This by mlookaba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me understand this... Al Gore, Eco Warrior, founds Current TV, a left leaning political news cable channel. It is (last year) put up for sale. An offer from a conservative group is rebuffed, with the Current spokesperson saying, "the legacy of who the network goes to is important to us and we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view.” Instead, they sell it, for $500 million (of which Al Gore gets $100 million), to the Government of Qatar, one of the top producers of fossil fuel in the world, a country were women have no voice, and homosexuality is illegal and punishable by death. As icing on the cake, apparently Mr. Gore tried to push for the sale to be complete before the new year, so he could take advantage of expiring tax laws. "we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view.”

    1. Re:Let Me Understand This by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      to the Government of Qatar, one of the top producers of fossil fuel in the world, a country were women have no voice, and homosexuality is illegal and punishable by death.

      The Government of Qatar may make America's Christian Dominionists jealous, but don't try to use guilt-by-association to smear Al Jazeera.

      Al Jazeera is a moderate organization that focuses on news and not opinion.

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    2. Re:Let Me Understand This by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      Women do have a voice. Qatar's first election was purposely held on International Women's Day to highlight that. I can't find it at the moment, but there is a recent article about women outnumber men in Education City getting their degrees.

    3. Re:Let Me Understand This by westlake · · Score: 5, Informative

      a country were women have no voice and homosexuality is illegal and punishable by death

      Where are these "facts" coming from?

      Among other things, the country is known for being the first country among Arab States of the Persian Gulf to allow women the right to vote.

      Women in Qatar vote and may run for public office. Qatar enfranchised women at the same time as men in connection with the 1999 elections for a Central Municipal Council. These elections --- the first ever in Qatar --- were deliberately held on 8 March 1999, International Women's Day.

      Qatar sent women athletes to the 2012 Summer Olympics that began on 27 July in London.

      Sodomy between consenting adults in Qatar is illegal, and subject to a sentence of up to five years in prison. Sexual orientation and gender identity are not covered in any civil rights laws and there is no recognition of same-sex marriages, civil unions or domestic partnerships.

      Human Rights in Qatar

    4. Re:Let Me Understand This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, women have had the right to vote and hold office in Qatar since 1999. Sodomy is punishable by up to 5 five years in prison (pretty strict homophobic, but liberal for the region) not death. Perhaps you should spend a few minutes in quick research before blowing off your mouth.
      Oh...I forgot...that wouldn't exactly fit in with your attempt to demonize Al Gore.

    5. Re:Let Me Understand This by VocationalZero · · Score: 1

      It's just a politician's hypocrisy as usual. Whenever a politician accuses you of something you can be 99% sure it is what they themselves are guilty of.

      Ftfy

      I stopped caring about being popular a long time ago.

      Then why the angsty statement about not caring?

    6. Re:Let Me Understand This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me understand this... Al Gore, Eco Warrior, founds Current TV, a left leaning political news cable channel. It is (last year) put up for sale.
      An offer from a conservative group is rebuffed, with the Current spokesperson saying, "the legacy of who the network goes to is important to us and we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view.”
      Instead, they sell it, for $500 million (of which Al Gore gets $100 million), to the Government of Qatar, one of the top producers of fossil fuel in the world,
      a country were women have no voice, and homosexuality is illegal and punishable by death. As icing on the cake, apparently Mr. Gore tried to push for the sale to be complete before the new year, so he could take advantage of expiring tax laws.
      "we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view.”

      Ha ha ha this coming from the US of A that discriminates homosexuals, tries to block civil unions and gay marriages. A country that offeres no legal protection should you be issued one of thoses dreaded NSA letters. A country that silences any voice of dissent, witness what happened to the Occupy movement. A country that spits on real capitalism and incentivates in any way possibile crony capitalism. A country that has helped Bank of America, a criminal organization that should be disbanded and its leader, CEO sent directly into federal prison for all life.

      Be happy that Al Jazeera is a real news organization like the BBC. American rednecks could stand to learn the real state of their country.

    7. Re:Let Me Understand This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were not previously aware of the money system dictating us humans to compell us to do what we don't want to do?
      Those who don't dance to the money system are punished and become irrelevant automagically.

    8. Re:Let Me Understand This by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You seem to be confusing Qatar with Saudi Arabia.

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    9. Re:Let Me Understand This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another person who has never been to Qatar.

    10. Re:Let Me Understand This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that "conservative group" was called Glenn Beck, I don't blame Al Gore one bit for shunning the offer

      We have enough pro-Israel news stations as it is

    11. Re:Let Me Understand This by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Where are these "facts" coming from?

      They come from the they're-all-ayrabs-terrorists school of U.S. foreign studies. It's a very easy topic to major in. All you need is to know is when someone looks suspiciously dark without being comfortably Afro-American, and has a funny accent. Exactly the kind of facts that Al Jazeera will hide from its viewers!

      That's not to say that Qatar is a shining light of liberal attitudes, but you cannot paint all countries in the Middle East (that's the bit beyond Europe, where it's warmer, no, that's Korea, back a bit, too far.. that's Africa, there you go!) with the same brush.

  49. This is London! by vm146j2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those of you not familiar with the history, Al Jazeera was founded by the staff of the BBC's Arabic language channel when they went into retrenchment (shut down the channel they did). The Qatari's foot the bill, but the overarching philosophy and quality are Auntie Beeb's. They only got a bad rap from the Bush administration for reporting honestly during the Iraq invasion, but basically they are the straightest shooters in the Arabic world, and one of the best sources of world news period now that the U.S. desks have given up on maintaining foreign bureaus.

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    1. Re:This is London! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Jazeera had a bad rep with the American public years ago, because most of them first heard of the network when they aired several of Bin Laden's propaganda tapes smuggled to the network via a chain of couriers. So they became the "mouthpiece of Al Qaida". But Bin Laden is dead, so that particular connection doesn't hold much weight anymore.

      I agree that their English website has quality reporting, as good as the best from the US for instance.

    2. Re:This is London! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      basically they are the straightest shooters in the Arabic world,

      While I have a very favorable opinion of the network, that particular bar is quite low - I think Al Arabiya is a close second (generally good reporting but biased in favor of the saudi regime in the same way Al Jazeera is biased in favor of the qatari regime) and everybody else local to the mid-east is barely more than state propaganda arms.

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    3. Re:This is London! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. They got the bad wrap from showing al-Qaeda beheading American servicemen (women?).

  50. Wish Them Well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think it will be good to get another International news channel into the mainstream, if that is indeed what is happening.

    Sadly, many of the problems in the mid-east, are wholly tied up in long-standing religious differences. What I fear is going to be the problem with representing the narrative, is to give people interested in a decades or centuries long conflict that is truly going no where. Let's face it. The only topics of discussion that come out of the mid-east are conflicts, human rights violations, shifts in oil production, and the furthur corruption of regional behaviors by western influences.

    This is a massive uphill battle for Al Jazeera, and I'm not holding my breathe that the American public is going to keep an open mind, even if it would give them a better global perspective.

    As an FYI, I'm an American, and do tune in to Al Jazeera as well as the BBC and several Pacific news sources. I'll admit this will probably come of biased, but I know of Americans who would consider me a traitor just for watching news from around the world.

    Not holding my breathe...

    1. Re:Wish Them Well! by isorox · · Score: 1

      I think it will be good to get another International news channel into the mainstream, if that is indeed what is happening.

      A few weeks ago BBC World became available on Time Warner (or at least is to be avaialble)

      http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/12/14/bbc-world-news-and-bbc-america-expand-distribution-with-time-warner-cable/161863/

  51. Al Jazeera and Pacifica Radio by billstewart · · Score: 1

    I often listen to Pacifica Radio (KPFA, WBAI, etc.), the leftist radio news network, and they've been working with Al Jazeera for a year or so. It's an interesting source of alternative coverage.

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  52. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, like all the comments allowed in american media outlets...a suspicious way of guiding opinion of the masses by the masses.

  53. On Free Speech TV, as well.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    The Al Jazeera world news hour is carried by Free Speech TV, on many cable systems and on satellite via DirecTV

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  54. Egyptian uprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watched Al Jazeera almost non-stop during the Egyptian uprising. The difference between their coverage of this globally historic event and the US media's put the US media to shame. Of course they have better access to the region, never mind better language skills - but that's exactly the point. What's not to like about having people *who are there*, and *who understand the region and the language* cover and explain what is going on there? And they have great reporters working internationally as well. What do US media outlets do? They send their anchor overseas once in a while when something hot happens and call it international reporting. Ridiculous.

    The US discounts the rest of the world at its peril. Time to open our eyes and get a little better perspective than the warmed over pablum sponsored by high fructose corn syrup we're so accustomed to.

  55. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's probably hard to find Palestinians who sympathize with Israelis since they that'll get them killed by their own people.

  56. I'll give it a look by davmoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll watch the channel, assuming Concast (and no, I didn't accidentally misspell it) will carry it. Al Jazeera can't possibly be any more biased than Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

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    1. Re:I'll give it a look by bussdriver · · Score: 2

      I read and watched it for years and started as soon as they had stuff online in english. They seemed like it was made up of BBC people and then I read that many people there were former BBC people; which explained why the news was so much better than the American "news." I still prefer the BBC but for some stuff they are quite good. When the USA propaganda machine started on them it seemed unfounded given what I already knew about them (at least the english part of it.) The BBC didn't say anything bad about them (positive even) and given how bad the US media is I figured it was just propaganda.

      FYI: I'm anti-theist with zero connections to the region or their cultures.

    2. Re:I'll give it a look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you did mis-spell it. it's Comcrap. I thought everyone knew this by now. Terrible service, and even worse support. Damn script reading monkeys. Don't even bother trying to go in to a local "Service Center". They're even more worthless. These bozo's tried everything in their power to blame my equipment. I finally switched to WOW, and oddly enough all that same equipment works just fine. Oh and did I mention service and support has been nothing, but superb now? Scheduled maintenance windows during off hours (what a concept) instead of Comcast doing theirs in the middle of the day with no notification. /rant mode off

  57. Al Gore by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The funniest part of this whole deal is that Al Gore pushed the sale to get completed prior to the new year to avoid Obamas tax increases. Not that I wouldn't do the same... but it's more of Al Gores "Do as I say, not as I do" nonsense. I wonder if he was the sole passenger on a private jet that took him to sign the deal.

    1. Re:Al Gore by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that I wouldn't do the same... but it's more of Al Gores "Do as I say, not as I do" nonsense.

      That's same BS as saying the Occupy guys were hypocrites for using apple products - as if they should cripple themselves into ineffectiveness by not using any and all tools available to them. Following the law and simultaneously wanting to change the law for everybody including yourself is not a case of "do as I say, not as I do."

      I wonder if he was the sole passenger on a private jet that took him to sign the deal.

      The jet plane which uses fuel that is priced above market to cover the carbon-offsets he thinks out to be made mandatory? How exactly is that hypocritical?

      If you want to critize the guy, at least be intellectually honest about it - you only make the guy look better if the worst thing you can say about him is a misrepresentation of the truth. What's next? Accusing him of claiming to have invented the internet?

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    2. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So we've been told a hundred times in this discussion.

      No one has actually provided any solid evidence of that of course, but anything for Republicans to bash Al Gore with but oh well.

      Get over it, he beat Bush despite Bush still getting the presidency and proved your country wrong in siding with Bush through the double presidency trainwreck that was the Bush years. You were stupid, you fucked up and fucked the rest of the world with it, Gore was right, you were wrong. Leave him be, stop being so bitter that he can walk round smug knowing that the corruption that led to Bush's presidency and the screwing over of him came back to bite your country massively.

    3. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your OWS analogy is what is intellectually dishonest here. Mr. Gore and his compatriots have been using CurrentTV as a way to spread their philosophical meanderings on the benefits of higher taxes on the wealthy for at least the last two years. The article from the NYT clearly states that there was pressure to get the deal done before January 1st so as to avoid the tax hikes that were to take effect. They literally engineered the deal so as to avoid the higher taxes that they've been lobbying for. If you wanted to make a parallel to OWS, you would have to say that they were protesting towards the end goal of banning the use of Apple products, while using them themselves. Nobody has ever made that analogy. Let's change the scenario a little bit: A senator proposes legislation that bans homosexuality due to his religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. That same senator is caught soliciting a gay prostitute in a bathroom stall. Let me guess: you're going to cry hypocrisy in that scenario (as you should).

      And to your question as to how flying around in a private jet with "expensive" fuel is hypocritical? Oh, I don't know, he could fly coach and reduce his personal carbon footprint by several orders of magnitude.

    4. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I wouldn't do the same... but it's more of Al Gores "Do as I say, not as I do" nonsense.

      That's same BS as saying the Occupy guys were hypocrites for using apple products - as if they should cripple themselves into ineffectiveness by not using any and all tools available to them. Following the law and simultaneously wanting to change the law for everybody including yourself is not a case of "do as I say, not as I do."

      I wonder if he was the sole passenger on a private jet that took him to sign the deal.

      The jet plane which uses fuel that is priced above market to cover the carbon-offsets he thinks out to be made mandatory? How exactly is that hypocritical?

      If you want to critize the guy, at least be intellectually honest about it - you only make the guy look better if the worst thing you can say about him is a misrepresentation of the truth. What's next? Accusing him of claiming to have invented the internet?

      What a wonderful apologist you are for the hypocrites on the left! Really a phenomenal piece of twisted logic in your post.

    5. Re:Al Gore by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      The jet plane which uses fuel that is priced above market to cover the carbon-offsets he thinks out to be made mandatory? How exactly is that hypocritical?

      The clearest conscience money can buy.

    6. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funniest part of this whole deal is that Al Gore pushed the sale to get completed prior to the new year to avoid Obamas tax increases. Not that I wouldn't do the same... but it's more of Al Gores "Do as I say, not as I do" nonsense. I wonder if he was the sole passenger on a private jet that took him to sign the deal.

      I'm struggling to make any sense of this statement.

      First, the deal closed after the first of the year, so the new tax rates apply. I don't know who you're getting your news from, but I'll bet it isn't a legitimate news organization.

      Second, do you think that Democrats enjoy putting themselves at a disadvantage relative to all the rest of the tax paying populous? Are you one of those people who rail at Warren Buffet, saying, "If you think you don't pay enough in taxes, why not just give all your money away?"

      It is not hypocritical to believe that the government should raise taxes on the wealthy, while at the same time, reaping the benefits of the current low tax rate. Any one person's contribution is a drop in the bucket. Gore invests his money in progressive causes, so for all you know, he could be taking the excess profit from the low tax rate, and using it to lobby for a higher tax rate.

    7. Re:Al Gore by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      That's same BS as saying the Occupy guys were hypocrites for using apple products - as if they should cripple themselves into ineffectiveness by not using any and all tools available to them. Following the law and simultaneously wanting to change the law for everybody including yourself is not a case of "do as I say, not as I do."

      They are hypocrites. Should I cripple myself by allowing them to tax the business I work for knowing full well that would lead to a reduction in pay? If they're not willing to sacrifice their mobile Facebook, but want others to sacrifice literally billions in revenue, fuck them.

      The jet plane which uses fuel that is priced above market to cover the carbon-offsets he thinks out to be made mandatory? How exactly is that hypocritical?

      If you want to critize the guy, at least be intellectually honest about it - you only make the guy look better if the worst thing you can say about him is a misrepresentation of the truth. What's next? Accusing him of claiming to have invented the internet?

      Carbon credits/offsets are the biggest load of bullshit of the past decade. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that just because gas costs more that makes it less dangerous to the environment. Most carbon offset companies have been show to be ineffective at best and often scams at worst. If he wanted to be green, he wouldn't go... or at least fly coach. The fact that he doesn't shows that his convenience outweighs the need for carbon reduction. Something most of the rest of us agree on.

    8. Re:Al Gore by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      I don't like Al Gore, but I'm not under any delusions about "The right" either. It's all the same political organization with the same goal: Retain Power

    9. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The jet plane which uses fuel that is priced above market to cover the carbon-offsets he thinks out to be made mandatory? How exactly is that hypocritical?"

      Because the money is simply going from one pocket to another.

    10. Re:Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funniest part of this whole deal is that Al Gore pushed the sale to get completed prior to the new year to avoid Obamas tax increases. Not that I wouldn't do the same... but it's more of Al Gores "Do as I say, not as I do" nonsense. I wonder if he was the sole passenger on a private jet that took him to sign the deal.

      It is perfectly understandable and logical for a person to campaign for tax reform and fairness in the tax code while at the same time limiting their taxable income under current regulations. What don't you understand about this? Are you suggesting that a person who is pro-tax reform should voluntarily pay more than they owe in order to not be considered hypocritical? I suppose if you're pro-choice you should rush out and get an abortion too just to prove it.

    11. Re:Al Gore by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Let's change the scenario a little bit: A senator proposes legislation that bans homosexuality due to his religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. That same senator is caught soliciting a gay prostitute in a bathroom stall. Let me guess: you're going to cry hypocrisy in that scenario (as you should).

      No, not only would I not cry hypocrisy, I should not. If the man was elected on the promise of banning homosexuality then it is his duty to try to keep his promise to his constiutents - that's how representative democracy works. The guy's probably got a lot of inner demons to deal with, but at least he keeps his promises.

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  58. Re:Looking forward in a Faux News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tried over a dozen times to post on my favorite Iranian comedy site. I'm starting to think maybe their editors are the sole authorised commentators. Most people seek the sites that confirm their own viewpoint. Some stuff is hard to read , but I struggle through in hopes I can disabuse myself from any presumptions and erroneous perceptions.

  59. Try This Test by edibobb · · Score: 1

    It's just what we need -- another "fair and balanced" network.

    Take an article from Al Jazeera that potentially makes the U.S. or a Muslim country look bad. Go to the Arabic version of Al Jazeera and translate the same article to English. You will then have two dissimilar articles from two not-so-compatible viewpoints.

    1. Re:Try This Test by Animats · · Score: 1

      Take an article from Al Jazeera that potentially makes the U.S. or a Muslim country look bad. Go to the Arabic version of Al Jazeera and translate the same article to English. You will then have two dissimilar articles from two not-so-compatible viewpoints.

      The English and Arabic branches of Al Jazeera have different staffs. Which is somewhat strange.

    2. Re:Try This Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove your point yourself.

  60. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just pointing out a Troll here folks.

    People. Don't be willfully ignorant. Check out Al Jazeera for yourself and decide:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
    http://www.aljazeera.com/

    I will tell you first off a little bit about myself to point out any biases that I may have: I am a white Canadian man who is in his 40's who hates Muslim zealots and Jewish zealots. Yes I can't stand Christian religious fundamentalists either. I'm also a highly analytical person. I hate political correctness, and I hate yellow journalism. I'm finding a lot of ignorant and prejudiced comments here, so I'll start off with this Troll who proclaims to be knowledgable about Al jazeera, and who seems to imply that it is NOT so much a news company but rather a propaganda organ for religious extremists. Think moderators: before you up-moderate Trolls!

    Parent said:

    If you look at their English edition and track the history of reporting on different countries you'll notice that articles about the US are far more likely to have the comment system enabled, while articles about Middle East countries, Russia, or China almost always have the comments disabled.

    OK I admit I don't track the history of comments. Lets be serious though; nobody except for somebody with an agenda would track comment history. Even if the parent's comment is true, it is still a Troll because it implies malfeasance without any proof but the authors own speculations. Also realize that people often see patterns where there are none (this is a psychological phenomena of the mind). Also notice that this person gives no statistics and doesn't back up his claim in any way. Most people who would do this kind of research, even on an amature basis would at least post their details on a public Website: and there are lots of free services to do this.

    For that matter, who cares? Not having comments enabled has NOTHING to do with journalistic standards. This is a red herring argument.

    Also: think of the logic here. Al Jazeera English WANTS to have a Western audience. This is because it is a business that is owned by a businessman. It doesn't make business sense for them to post Islamic religious propaganda because they know that they will be very carefully scrutinized by the Right Wing in the West and especially the Christian Fundamentalists in their largest potential market: the United States.

    Also, look at Al Jazeera's journalists. They have quite a few award winning journalists that have (and had) worked for prominent Western news agencies like the BBC, CBC, etc. These professionals are not going to ruin their careers and reputations by working for a propaganda organ of the Muslim Brotherhood or some other political or religious organization. Of course, and for some perspective, politics will always play a role in journalism, for example Al-Jazeera English journalists protest after being ordered to re-edit UN report to focus on Qatar emir's comments on Syria. But at least there is transparency here. And lets not lie to ourselves or be hypocrites: Western news agencies, especially the for-profit ones like CNN and Fox News have their own biases and are subject to the editorial control of their commercial sponsors.

    When you see that most of the comments are anti-US and anti-Jewish, you will wonder whether it's an underhanded way of maintaining a veneer of neutrality while still guiding opinion.

    You mean like on Slashdot, and on many Canadian and European news sites?

    And YES I know what you mean by "anti-Jewish": anybody who criticizes Isreal or Zionism is an anti-semite according to Christion Fundamentalists. Using "hate crime" language to try and stifle speech and to censor news is wrong. I've seen Al Jazeera report bad things about Isreal, and I've seen Al Jazeera report bad th

  61. Why Al Jazeera is valuable by jbolden · · Score: 2

    The thing that Al Jazeera brings to the table is not unbiased journalism but journalism with totally different biases than US journalism.

    Al Jazeera doesn't care much about the Washington consensus.
    Al Jazeera is much more plugged into the UN
    Al Jazeera is not beholden to US corporate interests
    Al Jazeera is not likely to go through the same emotional cycles as Americans when important events happen

    I'm thrilled by the idea of Al Jazeera taking its place next to BBC America.

  62. In US? Really?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should be worried if this is true:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/10/al-jazeera-us-integrity-wikileaks
    http://rense.com/general36/camm.htm

    or maybe not:
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/09/19/what_wikileaks_tells_us_about_al_jazeera

  63. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    You took a long time to spout specious pap. Please, next time, be more concise and proofread.

    Al Jazeera is a steaming mess internally, and is very sympathetic to Islamic regimes. You tip your hand when you claim an equivalency between Israeli and Hamas tactics.

    Thank you for some quality troll work, but I am sure that you can do better.

    All the best,

    Your betters.

  64. not going to work by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    Al Jazeera breaks about 100 FCC laws before noon so good luck with that.

    1. Re:not going to work by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I hold an FCC license, have nearly ten years experience in the industry, and am somewhat familiar with the regs.

      Which ones do they break?

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  65. Cable will Drop Current TV by PPH · · Score: 1

    Its not like it has a big market share.

    If Al Jazeera wants to capture US attention, they should buy ESPN and alternate between their news and ball games. Odds are most American sports fans won't have the initiative to get up and change the channel.

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    1. Re:Cable will Drop Current TV by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Its not like it has a big market share.

      If Al Jazeera wants to capture US attention, they should buy ESPN and alternate between their news and ball games. Odds are most American sports fans won't have the initiative to get up and change the channel.

      AJ Sports is a separate channel.

      (Called "Bein" here in France. Bastards got the monopoly on the CAN).

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  66. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like on Slashdot, and on many Canadian and European news sites?

    If Slashdot reported news about every country equally, and maintained an unbiased manner in which it presents every country BUT disabled commenting on news articles about US while enabling commenting about China, for instance, and there were a large proportion of anti-China posters in the comments, would you not have some doubt of its intentions?

  67. Al Gore Looses Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al got a nice pay check from the deal, but the bigger prize he lost just like the 2000 election.

    His 'Climate Crises' Telethons were a bust in big dollar losses.

    He is the Mayan Temple Calendar God Who Could Not Command A Toilet Nor His Own Bowels.

    Quite an appalling spectacle of buffoonery he has become.

    Well, so much for his beloved 'Anthropocene Man' Era of less than 5 years.

    Al Gore ... Kiss my ass.

  68. A notorious example of bias by lee1 · · Score: 1

    After the US liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban the world saw the televised celebration in the streets, as people were allowed to listen to music again and girls were allowed to go to school. Except that part of the world watching Al Jazeera, which censored all of it.

    1. Re:A notorious example of bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that the USA brought the Taliban (crazy Pakistani mercenaries from those "terrorist training camps", *never* to be confused with the Mujaheddin) into Afghanistan, and gave them weapons *in the first place*? ("To fight the communist invaders.")
      And that the people there only chose the Taliban because their current US-controlled dictator was *even more evil*? (Imagine how desperate you would have to be, to be willing to pick the Westboro Baptist Church, just to get rid of an Iran-controlled dictator! Yeah...)

      And now that the US government found out that the Taliban won't listen to them anymore, they went back, and put *the same damn evil US-controlled dictatorship in place again*!!

      NOW you know what Afghanistan was *actually* all about. Especially with all those incredibly valuable resources being found there. And it being the central hub between Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, China and Pakistan. Yeah... Sudden Clarity Clarence!

  69. OTA? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Over the air? I wonder if they will do it OTA in USA like Europe.

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  70. Re:frosty piss by WaywardGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Al Jazeera still has actual journalists on the ground in countries making the news, like Egypt, Syria, and Lybia. It's sad, but the New York Times, which still has more live reporting than any other major US newspaper, can't compete with the real life reporting Al Jazeera can do. They just don't have the money to make that possible. Because of it's fantastic presence in the Middle East, I'm happy about Al Jazeera gaining a channel to reach Americans.

    However, people reading Al Jazeera should know the background of this source, just like readers of Fox News should know about Rupert Murdoch (which they don't - but that's another post). Al Jazeera is owned and run by the Emir of Qatar. This guy has done some things that impress me, though a lot of it's scary. He overthrew his father as Emir, claiming his father was corrupt and was misusing the government's assets for himself. He was probably right. He did a lot of things to modernize Qatar, and did a very impressive job. He's positioned tiny Qatar as an intellectual leader in the Middle East, much due to Al Jazeera, Qatar now plays a central roll in the Arab Spring and evolution of the Middle East. For Americans to miss out on this influential news source makes us weaker.

    Then there's the side of Al Jazeera that pisses me off. When that pretty blond western journalist was brutally raped in Cairo during the Egyptian uprising against Mubarak, Al Jazeera deleted all posts that mentioned it. The Emir has a political agenda, and anything that goes against that agenda is banned from Al Jazeera. That agenda includes making the Middle East the "good guys" while allowing the rest of the world to appear to be the "bad guys". That's why westerners can be raped with no reporting, but if a westerner insults Islam, Al Jazeera is happy to fan the flames of anger - anger that resulted in the death of our ambassador to Libya.

    So, by all means, allow Americans to learn what Al Jazeera has to say. There is no better news source to represent the Middle East. At the same time, let's all feel free to be seriously pissed off at Al Jazeera, because they deserve it. How much like Fox News is this?

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  71. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think people who track Fox News for signs of manipulation have an agenda in anything but truth and fairness. I would think the same of someone keeping track of any other site.

  72. [Citation Needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know of no such censorship. Perhaps Al Jazeera's coverage of the war in Afghanistan would have been better if the US hadn't bombed their office there.

  73. Unfair to Israel for Arabs to cover news on Arabs? by leftie · · Score: 1

    Just because most news about the Arab world IS news about Israel doesn't mean all those Arabs involved should get to have anyone ask a what their opinion might be, right?

  74. What to read for real news by Animats · · Score: 2

    Watching Al Jazeera as TV is somewhat wasteful of time, but it's worth reading their site. Today's important item: trouble is brewing in the Balkans again.

    Other viewpoints to watch:

    • Russia Today. It's the official line, but it's worth seeing what that line is. (Russia Today, which is more of a tabloid, is less biased than Pravda.) Important item from Pravda: Russia is building a new generation of bigger ICBMs, in case the US builds missile defenses.
    • Xinhua the semi-official paper of the China. Important item today: "Yuan to strengthen mildly in 2013: analysts". The US has been lobbying for a weaker yuan. Not going to happen.
    • South China Morning Post, Hong Kong's top newspaper. If something important appears in People's Daily, they'll have some good commentary on it. Important item today: multiple stories on trying to figure out what Xi Jinping is going to do now that he's taken over.

    It's hard to find any coverage of those subjects in US dailies.

    1. Re:What to read for real news by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

      The US has been lobbying for a weaker yuan.

      No, they haven't.

  75. Al Jazeera English by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    I was very impressed with their news coverage and their specials. I managed to catch a lot of their shows.

    In fact it reminded me of CNN of old, Now CNN broadcasts lots of YouTube videos and uses that as news.

  76. Re:frosty piss by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was not anger that resulted in the ambassador's murder in Libya. It was an organized terrorist attack, timed to occur on 9/11. Where are you getting your news from, Mr. Well-Informed?

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  77. No friggen USA political ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh horrors no USA political entity last year ran ads on Al Jazeera, the shame. Nice no fake in your face info crap ads for 90 seconds every three minutes. I hope they can keep that up.

  78. Re:frosty piss by isorox · · Score: 2

    When that pretty blond western journalist was brutally raped in Cairo during the Egyptian uprising against Mubarak, Al Jazeera deleted all posts that mentioned it.

    I assume you're on about Natasha Smith, who's recently published a piece on sexual harassment in Egypt, and the wider area. Other outlets cover the problem more generally BBC, Guardian

    I'll have to take your word about Al Jazeera's censorship, but it's interesting that there's surprisingly little coverage of this case. The BBC doesn't have any mention of a british citizen being attacked in this way. it's cropped up in reputable sources (the independent and CNN), as well as the sensationalist tripe that is the daily mail. The coverage that Lara Logan got 15 months earlier was much more extensive coverage world wide, but it appears Al Jazeera didn't cover it. They later ran a story on sexual violence in Tahir Square in general, mentioning both women, linking to abc news for the Logan assault.

    A lot of the blame can be put at the backwards society that prevails in the middle east and south asia, men are brought up to think of women as objects to be possessed and conquered, and they're asking for it if they're not hiding under a blanket, or dare to go out on their own. Sadly this society is infiltrating the more enlightened parts of the world, like Europe and the U.S.

    We can only hope that main stream muslims will eventually grow out of these views, like christians eventually stopped genocide in south america and burning "witches"

  79. Article 4 Section 1 and gay marriage by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    The big 'full faith and credit' case, that has never had its day in court, for whatever reason, is probably the one that would erupt if a homosexual couple duly married according to the procedures of a state where such is legal were to demand that a state where it isn't(or is overtly banned at the constitutional level) give full faith and credit to the actions of the state that married them. That one would get a bit touchy...

    I figured that clause obviously would have spread gay marriage throughout the US from the states where it's legal.

    There are some gay marriage cases on their way to the Supreme Court right now, but they hinge on other Constitutional issues.

    "Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof." may be a loophole that DOMA abuses.

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  80. FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Theyve had one in north america for years, anyone with an FTA setup can already watch it.

  81. False equivalence. by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    False equivalence is the favorite propaganda tool of Fox news and similar organisations.' Sure all sources are biased, but not all sources are equally credible or equally biased. The difference between Fox and AJ is that Fox is first and foremost a political organisation and AJ is a news organisation. AJ aspires to be a credible representative of the free press specializing in it's own region, and they do a pretty good job of it. Fox wants to persuade you to vote against your own self interest and will knowingly lie to it's audience to achieve that, they also do a pretty good job but they're not doing the same job as AJ, BBC and other members of the "forth estate".

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    1. Re:False equivalence. by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 2

      AJ, BBC and other members of the "forth estate"

      That explains the lack of type checking.

    2. Re:False equivalence. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      So if Fox news reports in a way that reinforces its conservative leanings, and Al Jazeera reports in a way that backs up their own leanings, Fox is more biased than AJ?

      Fox wants to persuade you to vote against your own self interest and will knowingly lie to it's audience to achieve that

      Baloney, like the large majority of people with strong political leanings, they believe that their own particular leanings are in the best interest of society. To say otherwise seems to me to imply that ALL conservatives have it out for "everyone else", which is hogwash.

    3. Re:False equivalence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the people that work at AJ may mostly aspire to be "credible representatives of the free press". I think the reason they're generally more honest than various national broadcasters is because as a global broadcaster they have to keep a far larger group of people with very different cultural outlooks happy. So their output will have to be closer to the truth. If you compare for example the BBC's news for broadcast in the UK with their World Service broadcasts you can see even in the same organisation different qualities of output as far as being unbias goes.
      I will say that I personally find AJ to be the best quality source for international news on TV in the UK, but they do tend to adhere to pro-west bias nowadays. I don't say that that's a problem as such, just that they do it. And it could turn into a problem if it undermines their credibility on a large scale in the areas they seek to serve.

    4. Re:False equivalence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi. I'm a guy who has lots of opinions and biases. I'm also a person who tries to be honest and objective and who tries to understand reality. Unlike most people I always try to question my judgement and analysis. I also try to see biases in other people (whether they support my views or have opposite opinions. Keep in mind that I have absolutely nothing to prove to anybody: an employer, a friend, or a pseudo-anonymous poster whose post is buried deep within a thread. The main reason I am here (and like to watch a variety of news stations from around the world) is to exercise my mind. That being said, I will comment on YOUR own biases.

      You said:

      So if Fox news reports in a way that reinforces its conservative leanings, and Al Jazeera reports in a way that backs up their own leanings, Fox is more biased than AJ?

      First off , as the gp stated, there is a false equivalency: one can compare apples and oranges, but they will still be too highly distinct entities with different characteristics. Fox News for example is more conserned with giving a highly biased right wing perspective. Let's be honest: giving credibility to things like the Birther Movement and referring to people who are against corporate corruption "socialists" is not only biased, it is dishonest and it is yellow journalism. Fox news also has had companies that pay them to report (as news) on what great products their companies produce. Again this is not honest. Al Jazeera does not do this.

      On the other hand Al Jazeer doesn't use propaganda as a form of journalism. Unlike Fox News its reports are unbiased (or at least they make the effort to be unbiased), and they give people of opposing opinions equal airtime. Al Jazeera's journalists also do not interrupt or talk over people if they happen to disagree with their point of view. The same cannot be said for Fox News. I do suspect that the only reason you are arguing against gp is because you have your own biases; and that is (as I suspect) that you are a Conservative. This disqualifies you from being objective. Although a cynical person may just call me prejudiced, I have actually read numerous psychological studies that show that Conservitives tend to be dishonest, overly simplistic in their analysis of the world (i.e. their brains are victims of black-and-white thinking), they are more prone to authoritarianism: whether it be supporting Right Wing dictatorships, corporate hierarchy and cronyism, police states with strong "law-and order" governments, violence to defend or promote their beliefs or power base, intolerant of other peoples opinions, etc and so on. I could spend two hours looking up the academic references and posting them for a proper citation, or you could just use Google and learn for yourself. I'd prefer not to spend too much time here giving evidence because the last few times I did this I was down-moderated. So if people aren't willing to listen, then there is no real point in speaking. I am somewhat hopeful howerver, or else I wouldn't be here. Pandora saved the only fate for me.

      You said:

      Baloney, like the large majority of people with strong political leanings, they believe that their own particular leanings are in the best interest of society.

      Actually, from somebody who is both well versed in the social sciences and very observant in actual dealings with people, I will tell you that MOST people are completely ignorant of politics and instead of spending the time to do research and critically examine what they hear and say, they will simply vote for the party that spends the most amount of money on advertising. With the last two elections things were a bit different, because a lot of the "advertising" was non-traditional: i.e. it came from people like ME who use the Internet to try and educate people.

      It's a lie to say people won't vote against their own interests (either that or it is willful ignorance). A classic example is that people tend to vote Conservative (in America that would

    5. Re:False equivalence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False equivalence is the favorite propaganda tool of Fox news and similar organisations.' Sure all sources are biased, but not all sources are equally credible or equally biased. The difference between Fox and AJ is that Fox is first and foremost a political organisation and AJ is a news organisation...

      By definition, AJ is first and foremost a political organisation. It is state-owned. This has affected reporting. Most recently the difference in its coverage of the Bahraini uprising versus the Syria uprising has led to at least one resignation.

      If you really did not like false equivalencies, you would have compared AJ to the BBC which is also state-owned.

    6. Re:False equivalence. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Well said, too bad you are an AC.
      Conservativism, by definition, is a preference for the current way of doing things, and a resistance to change. Here in the US, especially over the last century, things have changed so quickly that nobody really remembers how we used to do things. The right can throw out whatever they want and the conservative base will latch on to it. The GOP has become very skilled at creating arguments that seem very sturdy, but fall apart under scrutiny. They vilify the scrutiny while their supporters refuse to listen and those who value a polite, progressive society are unable or unwilling to shout them down. We are confident that our obvious correctness will stand up to them, but alas, all too often it does not.

    7. Re:False equivalence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservativism, by definition, is a preference for the current way of doing things, and a resistance to change.

      That is a pretty basic definition helpful to 'the other side' to try and closet their opponents into a little definable box. It is also incorrect in general (though I daresay it fits some 'right' conservatives as well as some 'left' conservatives who really like some of the changes made by 'progressive' government programs and would fight to keep them.)

      I have found Steven Den Beste's analysis here to be illuminating, and very helpful in analyzing the various positions and leanings of folks. Orthogonal, multi-axis, scatter-spaced positions, rather than a simple line, or a 'box' like the one you present.

      They vilify the scrutiny while their supporters refuse to listen and those who value a polite, progressive society are unable or unwilling to shout them down. We are confident that our obvious correctness will stand up to them, but alas, all too often it does not.

      I stand amazed at your clear openminded thinking and lack of any appreciable bias

  82. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    And you're sure AJ is doing that, right?
    I wasn't because I occasionally read AJ, so I checked out a few articles just now, some about ME countries, some about the US. NONE of them allow comments, they ALL have the same "feedback" button. That's what gets me about this kind of bullshit, why does it stick so firmly in people's heads when most of it is trivially easy to disprove.

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  83. In the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the UK, it has been available for years. I tend to watch it along with RT, BBC and (read) the Guardian to get a more well-rounded view of what's going on in the world.

  84. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal (who was also a funder of the "ground zero mosque") of the Saudi Royal family (who are also friends of the Bush family) owned 2% of News Corp (2nd highest stock holder after Murdoch) FOX's parent company. Can you cite the 25% ownership source of your information?

  85. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, I saw a story on PBS about allied groups of Palestinian and Israeli students who were trying to spread a message of peace and co-existence.

  86. Al Jazeera = MI6 propaganda front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Jazeera was created from the MI6 propaganda front, the so-called BBC World Service (same concept as the CIA run Voice of America). The BBC used staff from its Arab division to form Al Jazeera.

    Today, Al Jazeera runs continuous propaganda strikes against any nation currently deemed to be an enemy of Israel or the USA. Its psy-op work in Syria is particularly disgusting. The terrorism carried out by terrorists trained by the West in Turkey and Jordan is always attributed to actions by the government of Syria by Al Jazeera. Fortunately, the same terrorists love to promote themselves through videos that frequently appear across the internet, and these videos constantly disprove the lies broadcast by Al Jazeera.

    One amazing example of this occurred after Al Jazeera showed viewers video provided by the terrorists of a mosque exploding, and stated their journalists had watched the regime strike the facility with missiles from regime aircraft. A day or so later, the terrorists uploaded video showing them wiring the mosque with explosives, and then detonating those explosive.

    Al Jazeera is now based in Qatar, to give simple minded idiots the impression that it is a genuine voice of Arabs. Of course, Qatar in the headquarters of British and American military power in the gulf, and allows army psy-op units easier day-to-day control of the black propaganda output. Wikileaks is part of the same program, so it is no wonder the fake 'Arab Spring', Al Jazeera and Wikileaks are so closely connected.

    PS Syria would have been destroyed by now, as Libya was destroyed, and converted into another theocratic racist criminal hellhole like Israel or Saudi Arabia, if not for the actions of the Russians. This is no accident or unintended circumstance. In reality, a much bigger game is being played out. The American populace, and American politicians below the rank of Cheney or Clinton, are far too thick to perceive even elements of the real agenda. Ordinary Americans, and most American politicians think this is just a Muslim-bashing game designed to help their zionist 'master race' allies in Israel.

    In reality, the world is being destabilised in every way possible, in order to create fertile ground for global conflict. Those forces seeking another World War do NOT know exactly which straw will break the camel's back, but they DO know that so long as they are able to keep loading on the straw unhindered, sooner or later one of those straws will prove to be terminal.

  87. Have it on our local radio station now! by Audrey23 · · Score: 1

    We've had it on our local community radio station (KYRS) for a number of weeks now, can't complain really, they aren't perfect by any means but at least it's not like the other local eight stations of Clear Channel or National Corporate (Public) Radio...

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  88. Wise words, ALWAYS follow the money by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every broadcaster has an agenda, every reporter has someone paying his/her bills. Many people consider news to be unbiased... an impossibility to begin with, if it agrees with their bias. "Look, they are saying what I want to hear, how unbiased of them". Bias is something that happens only to other people apparently.

    Take womens rights, it is a fact that NOT everyone has the same view on this subject so ANY newssource that reports in anything but the most absolute neutral tones, has a bias. Simply put, if a newsource reports the weather with anything else then figures like using comments as "it will be a nice day", they are biased. Nice for who? By whose standards?

    Take snowfall, 1 centimeter falls in Holland, DISASTER! 1 meter falls in Sweden, business as usual. But when in Sweden the snowfall is a disaster, the impact is a WHOLE lot worse then that in Holland where the trains were delayed a whole ten minutes and almost two cars had a fender bender.

    Take the rape case of the Indian student, roughly at the same time, Belgian news had that rape has gone up, less then 4% of rape cases result in a conviction and there are as many as 11 rapes a day in Brussels alone. One story is international news, the other is not. Why? One to close to home perhaps? To many uncomfortable questions would need to be answered so lets just tut-tut the Indians and leave it at that. And who made that decision? Male news-readers (Belgium TV news is very old fashioned in many ways, including it being actually rather good BUT not without bias).

    ALWAYS know the bias of your newssource and if you want to stay informed, WATCH the newssources that make your blood boil. NOT because they tell you the truth but by combining newsources you get a more honest exposure to the various opinions in the world. You may not agree with anything Al Jazeera has to say (it is pro-strict islam supported as said above by a dictator) but it does give you insight into a whole group of people think. Same with the BBC or Fox or for that matter the Financial Times and the Guardian. One will report a story the other will barely touch and it is the WHY of the difference where the facts about power in the world are hidden (sorry for that sentence, hope you got my gist). In between the reports, you can see how the world really is.

    Take the rape news events, rape is therefor clearly bad but not so bad we actually want to stop it, just want to say it is bad when far from home but back home, well boys will be boys. 4% conviction rate in any other crime would see the people responsible fired VERY quickly. No calls for resignation have been made. In fact, reaction seems to be "oh well". In the western news, India is made out to be a place totally unsafe for women... but these attackers will either hand or serve live. In Holland, rapist have been getting away with community service, a father convicted of raping his underage daughter got community service because else he might loose his job, true case.

    Which country takes protection of women more serious? One were rapist hang or one where they have to pick litter for a month?

    Know your bias.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Wise words, ALWAYS follow the money by WaywardGeek · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Read Al Jazeera, not because you think it's a good unbiased news source, but because you're better informed if you read all points of view. Honestly, that's why I also read Fox News. Be aware of your news source's bias. I think a lot of today's political polarization is due to the dawn of the Internet and cable news, where we can get any point of view we like 24/7. It used to be that the big 3 felt some responsibility to reporting news in a way that did not cause harm, but all that's out the window. Now individuals are responsible for what news they read and listen to, and for picking their favorite flavor of bias. Unfortunately, most people alive today never learned the skill of piecing together a sloppy mosaic of what possibly might be close to reality from multiple news sources. Instead, they just open their brain and let their favorite news source pour thoughts directly into their heads, as if they were at church learning about God. In our new reality, we need a new kind of citizen, one who knows how to check sources and combine information into a bigger picture.

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  89. Bozo news network by nofud · · Score: 2

    Al Jazeera isn't what it used to be, but honestly a Bozo the Clown News Network would probably improve the quality of US cable news. - Marc Lynch

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  90. Re:frosty piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  91. Are they any good? by dorpus · · Score: 1

    I'm all for alternative perspectives, but I've read many Al Jazeera articles that got the facts wrong, were full of grammatical errors, and just didn't seem very educated. A lot of their articles just seem to be Western news that is a few days old, with more sensationalist spins added.

    1. Re:Are they any good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but Slashdot used to be different though.

      Ohwait, Al Jazeera... Ok.

  92. WRONG! PBS!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong! These stations have been aired on PBS stations for the past 4+ years here in Ohio at least. Just check your PBS station for the Al Jazeera news and you too can listen to the same pig flatulence just like a musk!

  93. So, what race is "Muslim" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abd'ullah, a popular name in Arabic, means "slave of God". From "abd", a black African and "Ullah", God. Who you callin' racist?

  94. Re:frosty piss by WaywardGeek · · Score: 2

    Excellent post. Mine had already run long, so I didn't mention any of what you just said, but I'm glad you did. Al Jazeera may not be directly responsible for our Lybian ambassador's death, like you say, but they certainly are responsible for fanning flames of anger that result in terrorism and anti-western violence. They have more control over what people think and believe in the Middle East than any other authority. With that power should come some responsibility, and while the Emir is practically a saint compared to most of the other rulers in the area, he's still a Middle East king, and he's warping Al Jazeera as a news source just like Richard Murdoch does to Fox News. People should know when their news source is massively biased.

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  95. Against It Totally by SumterLiving · · Score: 0

    I'm against Al Jaz buying a US News Station. The Tea Party will have another organization to blames and flame the fires of patriotism, great wars and killings. I can just see my local tea party members sitting around in a circle on their gun cleaning rugs in a mountain retreat. "Bubba imageen does red commie liberals preverting my kids rights to have a full prayer revival meaten every morning. That Al Jazzy guy is a toublemicker and needs to be SSS'd. I wish I didn't have to inform you guys and gal, the Tea Party crazies are fully arming in my neck of the woods. Whipped into a frenzy about FEMA and UN Concentration Camps, they're out to "take care of" all non true blooded, non God fearing, non Gun toting liberal, socialist commie bastards they can find. Pour "Al Jazeera gasoline on this will only make them more crazy.

  96. Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watched Al Jazeera yesterday on DirecTV 348 when there was a story the domestic networks were not covering. But far more distressing than that is the fact I have stopped watching network news because it is a blatant arm of the President's political party. Facts are dead on national broadcast TV. I get my new on the internet which is a bit messier and more labor intensive but when I see something on Huffpo I know the commentary is overtly wrong and biased, but the factoids they occasionally base their stories on are what I seek out.

    The world needs a real actual fact based news website. Perhaps the only way to get that is to have three bylines on every story. Each person being from a vastly different political persuasion.

    JJ

  97. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a few articles

    come back when you've checked a few hundred. You'll see the pattern.

  98. "countries that aren't traditionally covered'" by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    That will be most of them then?

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  99. Al Gore Unholy Alliance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unholy Alliance Comes Out of the Shadows and Into Your Living Room
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/robert-spencer/leftistjihadist-alliance-made-official-al-jazeera-buys-current-tv/

  100. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow... the moderators up-moderate Flamebate as Insightfull (two times!):

    Evidence:

    You took a long time to spout specious pap.

    Logical fallacies like appeals to emotion, and insulting comments are NOT Insightful.

    Please, next time, be more concise and proofread.

    Telling somebody to be "concise" (i.e. to leave out information, examples, references, etc) is NOT Insightful.

    To tell a person to "proof read" is just Flamebait. It took me over 2 hours of careful thought and analyses to write out my post. I proof read that post numerous times. Telling somebody to "proof read" a carefully worded reply is NOT Insightful.

    Al Jazeera is a steaming mess internally

    Insulting an award winning, internationally respected news organization it NOT Insightful. Having NO evidence or citations and ZERO facts to prove his claim is NOT worth TWO "Insightful" comment points. Marking Flaimbait as Insightful merely demonstrates the Right Wing biases of the poster's followers. It doesn't change anything except to make educated people like myself more militant against Conservatives.

    ... and is very sympathetic to Islamic regimes.

    More Trolling. The poster doesn't even say what he means by "sympathetic to Islamic regimes.", although it implies that Al Jazeera supports Sharia law and religious extremism. In this case the poster is an outright liar, because Al Jazeera is one of the few organizations to show the corruption of Islamic states (unlike many Western news operations, who tend to focus more on American politics, in the case of CNN and Fox News at least). So giving a poster 2 Insightful points for telling a lie is wrong and shameful.

    You tip your hand when you claim an equivalency between Israeli and Hamas tactics.

    I explained already in another post that this comment was dishonest, for which the posters followers moderated my very lengthy and thoughtful response as "-1". Once again: shameful. Believe me: in REAL life I make sure Conservatives are a lot more humble when they deal with me. I will tell you: you Conservatives can lie, steal, cheat and kill, but there will always be people like me who will pee in your coffee. I don't really care about Karma: if you people try to hurt honest people like me, then I assure you I will fight back. I'm not just going to sit back and let you people carry on. I have zero tolerance when it comes to dealing with Conservatives and evil people in general.

    Thank you for some quality troll work

    The poster tells a lie and uses an insult and he gets 2 Insightful points.

    All the best,

    Your betters.

    Once again the poster insults me and he gets two Insightful points. People like him support the slow genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel and then these Conservatives express moral outrage when the Palestinians engage in terrorist acts against their oppressors. Shameful.

    I know the Right Wing will always have more money, more Karma, more friends.... It doesn't matter, because I may have neither, but at least I know I have self respect and integrity.

  101. Re:Looking forward in a Fox News sort of way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you lie or maybe you are just really ignorant.

    Hamas doesn't illegally and forcefully acquire Israeli land to build settlements in Jewish neighborhoods.

    Actually, Palestinians do. The line between who is Hamas/not Hamas is hard to say now, so I'll give some examples that may have also been Fatah.

    1. When Gaza was given to them, they literally destroyed everything we built there as well as many historical sites.
    2. Hebron. One of the oldest and most Israeli cities besides Jerusalem. Now we can't even go there without risking our lives.

    Hamas does not steal olive trees from Jewish farmers,

    Completely false. You obviously have never had to do guard duty in the IDF. This is exactly what they are doing all the time. Ask anyone who has worked guard duty anywhere in these areas, or even inside Israel. Moreover, they are often doing these acts to themselves and claiming Israelis did it for propaganda, but maybe you think everything you see on TV is true.

    Obviously there are some nut-jobs that do it on our side too, I'm not denying it, but it's rare, and we think it's disgusting. Often as a result, our government replants things or gives compensation as we consider this terrorism directed against them and we don't tolerate it. The few times it is our government, it is because people are breaking the law and squatting. The same thing is done to Jews and anyone else who does this.

    Hamas does not use American build jet fighters to bomb Israelis.

    We have had our own fighter jets too in the past. Here are the facts behind funding and weaponry:

    1. We pay much more back in the form of training, technology (including upgrades/improvements), intelligence, port and base access, and forced purchases from US firms than we receive. In the end other than access to the tech in the first-place, it's become a pain in our ass to the point where some of the biggest spending is to phase out anything American because frankly a lot of it today is crap for what we need given our theatre of war. For instance, we built the Tavor and use it as our new standard issue instead of the m16 and m4.

    2. This funding is very unpopular here and it is a way of America to keep a leash on us. It's not that we need the help, we don't, but we do need the threat of a powerful ally given how badly we are surrounded. And still America has never really directly helped us.

    3. This funding has been very detrimental in the past and was forced upon us by the treaty with Egypt as a condition. We've had some bad incidents as a result such as the propaganda of the Patriot missile batteries during the gulf war. We worked on much better solutions but the US forced us to buy from them and use this tech. As a result, we had people hurt and killed then when arguably our home-grown solutions would have been better. Finally with some of our new solutions we are at least solving this exact problem.

    4. The funding is a tiny tiny part of our GDP and doesn't matter, especially again given what comes back the other way to the US.

    Hamas does not make Israelis wait for hours at military check points in order to go to school, work, buy groceries or visit friends or relatives.

    This is probably the worst lie you wrote here. Where are they going were this is the case? Hamas has control of an entire section of territory. There aren't any Israeli bases there at all or checkpoints inside. I have news, they have their own stores, schools, work, and places where relatives live.

    The only reason they need to wait for hours at checkpoints is to come to us. Some of them come to us because we give them jobs and better education because we care about knowledge more than death, but the same is not true for them. But mostly it's forbidden for them to even come to us for almost anything now because their own people will kill them.

    Regarding relatives, yes, they might have to travel because mo

  102. Re:frosty piss by dwye · · Score: 1

    Where are you getting your news from, Mr. Well-Informed?

    As a guess, Al Jazeera, perhaps?

  103. France is jus soli too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Temporary until they are 18 the kids get double (or even triple) nationality, then at 18 they msut make a choice : be french or be of the parents's nationality. SO you can be born from a canadian and a russian but born on french soil, you get russian, cvanadian french nationality and at 18 chose to be french.

  104. Re:frosty piss by Kagato · · Score: 1

    AJ English is more European than anything else. They've had a lot of ex-BBC, ITV and CBC folks there. Despite what is portrayed in the media they've never shown a beheading in either English/Non-English network, nor sign off with "death to America". But it's not all sunshine and lollipops either. Several editors have left over the years claiming pressure to present certain talking points and POVs that are contrary to the facts on the ground. More or less that there is no editorial independence. This is very much akin to the criticism FOX News received when they started pushing the national news brand down to the local stations.

  105. Al Jazeera English News on FTA satellite in NA by HaywireMechanic · · Score: 1

    Al Jazeera English Language news is available 24/7 in North America via their non-encrypted free channel on the Ku band satellite, Galaxy 19 at 97w. Transponder H-12152, FEC 3/4, SR 20000

    I watch Al Jazeera quite often. Their view of the good ol' USA is educational and enlightening, to say the least.

    There are many other Free To Air channels on 97w Ku, but most are not English language.

    All you need is an FTA satellite receiver, a 76cm or larger Ku band dish with Linear LNBF, and a bit of technical knowledge (which is readily available online) to set it up. No, your old DishNetwork or Directv receiver will not work for this, but some of their larger Ku band dishes will work with an inexpensive FTA receiver from eBay.

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  106. Re:frosty piss by dasunt · · Score: 1

    It was not anger that resulted in the ambassador's murder in Libya. It was an organized terrorist attack, timed to occur on 9/11.

    Why are you assuming that anger and terrorism are exclusive?

    I'm guessing that angry people are more likely to become terrorists and support terrorism than happy people.

  107. An inconvenient truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that "ignoring the rest of the world and hoping their problems will go away" isn't fairly universal for most countries, but hearing the truth from an outsider may not be something for which the US is ready. I was personally been surprised at how well researched and reported Al Jazeera news was after the reputation and labeling it has received from the commercial media in the US and my own country. Surely increasing the number news sources is a better thing.

  108. Liberals can't think for themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiot brainwashed liberals! You notice how they always attack any conservative news (with no real evidence)? You notice how they defend that death cult called islam? Oh... and they always accuse Israel (that only has 1/600th the land the muslim Arabs have) of doing exactly what the freakin muslims are doing to others and themselves and defend terrorists (like arafat) that kill innocent people and glorify suicide bombers. And if you disagree with them, you're called a racist. Mohammed, even though a pedophile and mass murderer, is ok with them though.

    Al Jazeera is just as much a piece of garbage as the BBC and the New York Nazi Times. You liberal pinheads will excuse anything from obama and what you learned in school. And the "proof" they have as to why they hate God? Oh ya... because a single religion called Christianity is wrong. Morons.

  109. how about the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Mr. Jew Hater, did you know that the so called "Palestinians" get free food, free water, free electricity, and free education? Ya... the Jews don't get any of that.

    War crimes? What war crimes? How about suicide bombers and murderers... ya know, people who blow up innocent people in weddings and put swastikas on synagogs. Ya know... the folks who do the nazi salute and have names like "fatah" that means "conquest". Ya know, the ones with a written constitution that aims to push the Jews into the ocean and exterminate them calling openly for genocide?

    But WHOA if they try to defend themselves!!! It must be "apartheid"!! You arrogant sack of subhuman garbage, how about the genocide against the blacks and other muslims in Africa? Occupation? Staring?

    How about when the so called "Palastinians" got all those green houses that could have fed ALL of them.... forever... with enough food left over to profit in sales? But instead, they looted and destroyed it because it came from Jews. Let me refresh your tiny memory:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/looters-strip-gaza-greenhouses/

    The 1948 Israeli War of Independence was between the neighboring Arab countries and the newly formed state of Israel. The Arab countries did not send troops to help the people that are today known as "Palestinians" but rather they sent troops to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the "Palestinian Arabs" fled to avoid the fighting. Remember, in 1948 they were not referred to as "Palestinians". This name was was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The term "Palestinian People" as a description of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB. This term was formally used by newspapers around the world after 1967. (You know... the same Soviet Union that killed Jews and created the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" anti-Semitic propaganda.)

    United Nations Resolution 181 recommended a partition of the territory from the British Mandate for Palestine into two states - one for Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. But the rejection of partition by the Arabs left in place as the legally operative Mandate for Palestine, the 1924 Anglo-American Convention, and Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. All of the Arab countries objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against its creation. This was Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Despite their superior numbers, the Arab countries lost the war and the Palestinian state never materialized because of this loss. In the war that was waged, the territory allotted to be the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was divided between Israel and Jordan. The "Palestinian Arabs" were rejected by every single Arab country, with the exception of the small percentage that ended up in refugee camps in Jordan where they remain to this day.

    But it's easier to blame the Jews like hitler did, isn't it, you Jew hater?

  110. Idiots redux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what voice does the U.S. get in Saudi Arabia?
    I thought as much.

  111. MUST SEE: documentary 'Control Room' [2004] by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmPUx7OH1T8

    Al-Jazeera's Control Room [2004] takes us into Iraq from the perspective of Al-Jazeera, and it is the most riveting coverage of the early days of Iraq. Far more to nurture the soul here than American media's Fourth of July fireworks style coverage.

    "The night they showed the P.O.W.'s and the dead [US] soldiers--Al-Jazeera showed them. It was powerful, because America doesn't show those kind of images. Most of the time America doesn't show those images. They showed the American soldiers on the tile floor. It was revolting. It made me sick to my stomach. What hit me was that the night before... there had been a bombing in Basra, and Al-Jazeera had shown images of the people, and they were equally, if not more, horrifying images. I had never seen it. I thought to myself, 'wow, that's gross. That's bad.' Then I went away and was eating dinner or something... it didn't affect me as much... And people in the Al-Jazeera office must have felt the way I was feeling that night... and it upset me on a profound level that I wasn't as bothered as much the night before. [pause] It makes me hate war. [pause] but it doesn't make me believe that we're in a world that can live without war, yet.
    ~Lt. (later Captain, now civillian) Josh Rushing, then-CENTCOM officer, in 'Control Room'

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  112. who watches tv these days? by drkoemans · · Score: 1

    get a fat pipe and watch online and don't let the media conglomerates tell you what is going to be on tonight. last I checked al jazeera had a website. that said, I'm glad we're getting a broader spectrum of voices on our air/cable waves.

  113. Modded troll? You've got to be joking. by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Enjoy getting metamodded, moderator.