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RIM Attracts 15,000 Apps For BlackBerry 10 In 2 Days

CWmike writes "It's starting to look like the BlackBerry store will be well stocked with apps when Research In Motion launches BlackBerry 10 (see YouTube preview) at the end of this month. The company held an event over the weekend where it offered app developers incentives to port their programs to the BlackBerry 10 platform and managed to attract 15,000 app submissions. 'Well there you have it. 37.5 hours in, we hit 15,000 apps for this portathon. Feel like I've run a marathon. Thanks to all the devs!' wrote Alec Saunders, vice president of developer relations at RIM, in a Twitter message. The 'port-a-thon' event was held in two parts: One aimed at Android developers and the other at apps written in other platforms, including Appcelerator, Maramalade, Sencha, jQuery, PhoneGap and Qt. RIM was offering $100 for each app ported and subsequently approved for sale in the BlackBerry 10 app store, up to certain limits. Developers could also win BlackBerry 10 development handsets and a trip to RIM's BlackBerry Jam Europe developer event." It's hard to believe that many current iOS or Android users are leaping toward Blackberry, though. If you're in one of those camps, is that so crazy?

193 comments

  1. The question is... by GerbilSoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many of those 15,000 "apps" are actually useful, and how many are just worthless single-site frontends?

    1. Re:The question is... by 6Yankee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      5,000 single-site frontends and 10,000 fart apps.

    2. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... compared to iOS?

    3. Re:The question is... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How many of those 15,000 "apps" are actually useful, and how many are just worthless single-site frontends?

      And how is this question relevant here vs. every other app store boasting the same 1:1,000 ratio of good to worthless apps?

      Seems a bit premature to bash RIM for doing nothing more than what everyone else does...and that is publish huge nicely rounded marketing numbers for apps, regardless of value-add.

    4. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And how is this question relevant here vs. every other app store boasting the same 1:1,000 ratio of good to worthless apps?

      But, RIM's dead! The interblogs told me so!

      AAAAHHH! Zombie RIM! Run for the hills!

    5. Re:The question is... by jc42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But, RIM's dead! The interblogs told me so!

      Pay no attention to those Apple fanbois, or the fandroids neither. It's only the loyal BB partisans who have The Truth.

      (Hmmm ... We could use an official site to inform us of the current buzzwords for properly insulting the users of various successful commercial products. Anyone know what the BB loyalists are actually disparaged these days?)

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    6. Re:The question is... by GerbilSoft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      iOS has the same problem, as does Windows Phone and Windows 8. (It's actually much worse on Windows 8; pretty much every app there is a worthless website frontend.)

    7. Re:The question is... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      And how is this question relevant here vs. every other app store boasting the same 1:1,000 ratio of good to worthless apps?

      Well for a start, it would mean that Blackberry has 15 good apps, vs 700+ good apps on iOS and Android.

    8. Re:The question is... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      If it's purely a webview encapsulated in an app, then of course it's worthless. But most web apps aren't that. They have more functionality than a web page.

      There are examples of simple webview apps on iOS, but it's a tiny proportion.

    9. Re:The question is... by geminidomino · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seems a bit premature to bash RIM for doing nothing more than what everyone else does

      In the general case, that's true. But when you consider the thrashing they've been taking in recent memory, doing "nothing more" than anyone else does probably won't accomplish a whole lot for them.

    10. Re:The question is... by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, RIM's dead! The interblogs told me so!

      Pay no attention to those Apple fanbois, or the fandroids neither. It's only the loyal BB partisans who have The Truth.

      (Hmmm ... We could use an official site to inform us of the current buzzwords for properly insulting the users of various successful commercial products. Anyone know what the BB loyalists are actually disparaged these days?)

      "BB loyalist" is about as disparaging as you need to be...

    11. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIMjobbers.

    12. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assholes?

    13. Re:The question is... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      I'd be more interested in finding out how many of those are even legit.
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57562905-94/blackberry-app-world-said-to-hawk-pirated-android-apps/

    14. Re:The question is... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      A better question: how many of those 15,000 apps were actually ported by the original developer? Apparently RIM has had a slew of unauthorized individuals grabbing popular Android apps, stripping them of their protection, then using RIM's own tools to convert them to a format compatible with BB10, before finally submitting the apps as their own original work. The fact that they just incentivized that behvaior by paying $100 for every cheap port suggests to me that they likely had a whole lot of that going on.

    15. Re:The question is... by Old97 · · Score: 1

      Quite relevant because what matters is the true count of useful applications - not the filler. By your reckoning (1:1000) that means RIM has 15 useful applications for BB10. Nothing to brag about. I've got 4 times that many very useful iOS apps on the devices I own and I've just scratched the surface. Android using friends of mine have dozens of useful apps on theirs.

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    16. Re:The question is... by Whuffo · · Score: 0, Troll

      And if it's on a BlackBerry, you can't operate the app without several attempts at each button push.

      I've had too much experience with those things; I supported them for a major corporation (ugh) and even had one of my own. After a month or so I was ready to trash it; my wife insisted that it was a nice phone and I should give it to her instead. So I did; a month later she was ready to stomp on it.

      The only thing they ever had going for them was email - and that required a BES (or BIS) server. Now that other phones do email (very well, actually) there's no reason to put up with that RIM nonsense any longer. They've been circling the drain for a while now and their last hurrah isn't a wise investment. Take it from someone who knows; just say no and get some other kind of phone. You'll be glad you did

    17. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if it's on a BlackBerry, you can't operate the app without several attempts at each button push.

      I won't argue the past - haven't personally had these problems - but BB10 carries over *nothing* from legacy BB. Don't make assumptions before trying it.

    18. Re:The question is... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quite relevant because what matters is the true count of useful applications - not the filler. By your reckoning (1:1000) that means RIM has 15 useful applications for BB10. Nothing to brag about. I've got 4 times that many very useful iOS apps on the devices I own and I've just scratched the surface. Android using friends of mine have dozens of useful apps on theirs.

      More specifically it means that they have 15 useful applications *from this portathon*. I suspect the number to be higher - as it's fairly easy to port opengl games and html5 apps, outside of android apps.

      They've already said they'll have over 70k apps at launch - it's not like this one-weekend event is their only effort to get applications on the platform. Unofficial estimates put them over 100k. That'll mean ~100 useful apps (if we stick with 1:1000) -- whhich is, frankly, on par with other platforms.

      They've also previously said that they have 90% of the most popular 600 android and ios apps, and 18 of the top 20 apps .

    19. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the same ratio as on Apple and Google “stores”.

    20. Re:The question is... by outofluck70 · · Score: 0

      Doesn't the Apple store count a book as an "app"?

    21. Re:The question is... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd be more interested in finding out how many of those are even legit.
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57562905-94/blackberry-app-world-said-to-hawk-pirated-android-apps/

      That's not a platform issue, it's an asshattery issue. You can also find tens of thousands of apps that are repackaged iOS/Android apps on iOS/Android - with few or no changes.

      Like any other platform, they can't reasonably go to check each app submission against every known platform and verify the credentials of the developer match up - it's not realistic which is why none of the others do it.

      RIM has made it very easy for any legitimate app developer to file a claim and have an app taken down - and responds to such complaints much more quickly than its rivals based on actual results.

    22. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... for doing nothing more than what everyone else does

      Sounds like someone needs a signal-to-noise refresher.

      Let's pretend the GP was serious. If fart apps comprise a significant amount of apps being generated, then RIM has a major issue. Your defense in comparing to other platforms seems out of place due to the number of apps generated overall (assuming they aren't the same ratio, which I'm sure is not). Put it this way... piss in an olympic sized pool is bad (or not)... piss in the bathtub is worse.

    23. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like: how many of these are stolen applications from Android and repackaged by a criminal to use BB's Android layer?

    24. Re:The question is... by ekgringo · · Score: 1

      When the PlayBook came out, their app store consisted of about 15,000 temperature conversion apps, none of which were free.

    25. Re:The question is... by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

      we BB fans do not have to disparage anything. we're wayyy too happy :)

      and i want more weather apps! NEVER enough weather apps!

    26. Re:The question is... by mr_walrus · · Score: 2

      have you missed the part where most android apps will work on BB10 and Playbook?
      simply only need to repackage/sign an existing android installer package into a BB package.
      anyone can do it. i've done it.

    27. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you LinkedIn and your shitty, shitty app and website whicha re teh same.

    28. Re:The question is... by dogsbreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "BB loyalist" is about as disparaging as you need to be...

      this is a blanket?
      jah
      and we are pigs?
      jah
      then this is funny, jah?
      jah! that is a good one!

      Cheap jokes aside, IMHO this is lots of room for BB to move back into being a player.

      First, they still have a very large user base and second, the other players all have significant weak areas that BB could target.

      BB has always been about business communications and productivity, areas that Apple has never been any good at. Email on iPhones is a joke at best. Even if you jailbreak and install "mail enhancer pro" (jah, that is a good one too!), the mail tool is missing core functionality.

      Multitasking on iPhones is pathetic and a total pain to move data between apps. BB 10, if it is still based on QNX, should have the built in capability to change how parallel applications and parallel processing paths function on mobile devices. Raise the bar as they say.

      The iPad is interesting and a decent lightweight tool for browsing web but again absolutely not a power tool. More like a kids workbench.

      The two vendors who have traditionally been powers in the business space, Microsoft and BB, seem to recognize this and are making plays in an area that Apple just does not understand or fails to address well.

      I don't quite know what to make of Android in this area as it should be able to fill the void as well but does not seem to have a leader in the business arena.

      BYOD is popular amongst the working population but corporately there is a desire to retain control over corp. communications and security, at least in the Fortune 500. Time is ripe for BB to get back into business.

      Anyways, competition is good and from that point of view I am hoping BB succeeds.

      Best not to be too religious about platforms, companies, hardware etc. They are just tools and who wants to be mired in a world dominated by iOS and Android when other excellent systems exist?

    29. Re:The question is... by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

      that is, free android apps or your own android apps. no piracy involved.

    30. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I talked with a guy at blackberry. They definitely can't be fart apps, and all must pass a quality approval.

    31. Re:The question is... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      OK, so how long will it take to QA 15000 aps?

      A cynic might think that having many aps "approved" quickly, and hence marketed as in the store, might put some pressure on the QA staff to pass things after just a quick glance....

    32. Re:The question is... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Anyone know what the BB loyalists are actually disparaged these days?

      RIMjobbers.

      Jokes aside, there was a rim.jobs website a while ago, for applying for employment at RIM.

    33. Re:The question is... by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Paying $100 dollars for an app and then using app numbers to point to at the success of the platform is hardly a useful metric of adoption. All it means is that a lack of apps won't be the specific reason for their failure.

    34. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't the Apple store count a book as an "app"?

      No Apple do not count books as "apps". A simple search can turn up this info.

    35. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS has the same problem, as does Windows Phone and Windows 8. (It's actually much worse on Windows 8; pretty much every app there is a worthless website frontend.)

      Apple rejects any app that is just a front-end to a site. Each app must add some sort of value or it is rejected from the App Store. It's not the same as the Google Play store where anything can be uploaded with no functionality requirement.

    36. Re:The question is... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      I bailed on RIM almost 4 years ago.
      Went to Android. I will not be switching back but....
      If I was still using a BB I would be very happy right now.
      The keyboard looks very nice. The time shifting photo thing is awesome.
      There are some real nice ideas in there. Would love to see that keyboard on my Galaxy Nexus.

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    37. Re:The question is... by grantpalin · · Score: 1

      RIM are paying $100 per _approved_ app, not per submission. And the repackaging and resubmission thing is not unique to the BB platform.

    38. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation Needed]

      If Facebook used a front-end webview for all of it's platforms for a long time because they couldn't or didn't want to spend the resources to develop for ~4-5 major platforms, what are the chances of a mom-and-pop or some site that's not even remotely as profitable?

    39. Re:The question is... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I'm not suggesting it's a problem that is unique to them, merely that they're incentivizing this problem in ways that don't exist on most other platforms. Also, as that article points out, they have been approving these apps.

    40. Re:The question is... by madprof · · Score: 1

      This is too sensible. Please leave Slashdot. The sense is killing me.

    41. Re:The question is... by xSacha · · Score: 2

      It took from 2 days to 2 weeks for most of the apps to past QA.
      I have apps from the port-a-thon that still haven't gone through QA yet though.

      Their QA is very strict. Also, for the portathon you can't have apps that are too similar, apps that perform a single or simple function or apps that don't meet their quality checks. They don't even accept emulators.

    42. Re:The question is... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      I want competition, I just want it to be somebody other than RIM. Palm should have done better and HP should have handled them better. WebOS was actually interesting and the hardware was pretty nice if slightly underspecced.

      I honestly would like to know how you can take seriously as a mobile device vendor a company that thinks it's a good idea to route all mobile data traffic through their servers? The outages Blackberries have had are impossible on any of the other platforms, they're just not that tightly tied to the mothership. My Android and iOS devices depend on nothing more to get to the internet then any other device on the network. I haven't used WinMo since 6 but I know it hasn't changed because Microsoft isn't that fucking stupid.

      The structure of the Blackberry system made sense when they first came out as PIMs on slow mobile data networks, but in the world of 3G and WiFi it's an obsolete point of failure which has failed many times. Sure, keep it around for devices that are too old to update for the times, but the fact that devices trying to compete as real full-featured smartphones still use it is absolute insanity.

      With that history, they'd have to wow me to a mindboggling level to recover. So far I have yet to see anything even remotely special. Had the Playbook's software not been so gimped initially it may have been a real option in the tablet world, but they managed to bungle that too.

      Other than the all-touch models, Blackberries remain excellent mobile e-mail and PIM devices (again other than the idiotic network mandate) but they are terrible smartphones. The touch models are just disappointing all over.

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    43. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multitasking on iPhones is pathetic and a total pain to move data between apps. BB 10, if it is still based on QNX, should have the built in capability to change how parallel applications and parallel processing paths function on mobile devices. Raise the bar as they say.

      Yes because BSD can't multitask. The iPhone's implementation is purely a design choice. Having QNX below it wouldn't have changed anything. Multitasking on BB10 (I've used it somewhat extensively) is a design choice that RIM has made. I have mixed feeling about both approaches.

    44. Re:The question is... by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      Multitasking on iPhones is pathetic and a total pain to move data between apps. BB 10, if it is still based on QNX, should have the built in capability to change how parallel applications and parallel processing paths function on mobile devices. Raise the bar as they say.

      Yes because BSD can't multitask. The iPhone's implementation is purely a design choice. Having QNX below it wouldn't have changed anything. Multitasking on BB10 (I've used it somewhat extensively) is a design choice that RIM has made. I have mixed feeling about both approaches.

      Good call! I knew I was spouting gibberish when I blamed iOS for bad multitasking at the user interface layer. The devil made me do it.

      I guess my hope is that an OS like QNX will inspire or foster an attitude which supports useful multitasking at the user level. Naive, I know.

      Cheers

    45. Re:The question is... by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      Sigh.

      sorry for being such an insensitive clod

    46. Re:The question is... by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      You know, I didn't say I like BB or RIM. I said there is plenty of room for competition and that Apple as a market leader in NA has significant weaknesses, and I said I like competition from another player. I'm not religious for or against Apple, RIM, MSoft, Google, Mozilla or whatever.

      As far as routing mobile traffic through servers, this happens in many places and many circumstances but usually transparent to the user (one obvious example: firewalls). The trick is to have a good reason for doing it and to build a reliable and available infrastructure with the required performance capability.

    47. Re:The question is... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      and i want more weather apps! NEVER enough weather apps!

      Yeah, yeah; you talk about the weather, but what have you ever done about it?

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    48. Re:The question is... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      You didn't say you liked BB/RIM, but you were responding to someone dissing their product as if it didn't deserve to be considered lesser.

      I provided a huge reason why they are objectively inferior, the mandatory use of RIM's network for mobile data access. This isn't a religious issue, it's them doing something positively idiotic which I believe should make anyone who values reliability in a mobile device stay far away.

      This "feature" provides two things, push messaging and a sort of VPN-ish link back to a "trusted" network (in that you're forced to trust RIM's network if you use a Blackberry). The first seems to be handled quite well by all the other mobile device platforms without running any other traffic through, and the second can be done on every other platform with a normal VPN service of any kind. Neither require running all traffic through at all times though. The user/administrator can choose to do that if they want, but if their VPN is unavailable they're not stuck with a useless device.

      Everyone deserves a fair chance to start, but when a company has a history of doing bad things it's not wrong to dislike them and have low expectations for their future products.

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    49. Re:The question is... by OldScotch · · Score: 1

      To be fair, RIM's line before this was "quality, not quantity" and apparently consumers want quantity.

    50. Re:The question is... by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      So you don't like RIM to the point that it makes you angry. I get it. Thanks for providing detail.

      Just don't assume you know what I think or believe based on me tagging a response onto a cheap joke. Sheesh.

      All I said was that the mobile leaders have areas of weakness that can be exploited and that RIM (and MicroSquash) are positioning themselves to take advantage. Also, I hope that RIM makes significant improvements to user functionality that intensifies competition and causes others work harder. Better for all if they do IMO.

      I am also glad to see Mozilla and others working to get into the market. Diversity is good.

      Nothing there says I like or dislike RIMs methods, services or infrastructure.

  2. Thankfully... by 222 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Thankfully, quick / rushed ports have never been buggy or otherwise lacking in quality. As someone that manages a Blackberry only shop, I can't wait until we finish migrating away from BES.

    1. Re:Thankfully... by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The idea is that BB10 supports those frameworks already. Some ports are as simple as setting up the tools and clicking a button. Hopefully the more complex ones are given the time they need.

    2. Re:Thankfully... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Be careful soon the RIM fanbois will be out saying bad things about you for admitting this. It can't possibly be that there is something wrong with BES, no it has to be every person to ever admin it was incompetent and untrained.

    3. Re:Thankfully... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2

      Be careful soon the RIM fanbois will be out saying bad things about you for admitting this. It can't possibly be that there is something wrong with BES, no it has to be every person to ever admin it was incompetent and untrained.

      RIM fanbois?...thinks for awhile....you mean employees?

    4. Re:Thankfully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful soon the RIM fanbois will be out saying bad things about you for admitting this. It can't possibly be that there is something wrong with BES, no it has to be every person to ever admin it was incompetent and untrained.

      Well i have a BB curve and an HTC the BB curve beats the hell outta the HTC . I will be interested to see how the new BB10 shapes up if it is anything like a good as the curve it is a sure winner unlike the iPhone thingmejig imean what is that POS get real

    5. Re:Thankfully... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's my thinking. If all you have to do is a quick rejig and recompile because the APIs are so close to the Android ones, then it's a near-zero effort situation. I don't know much about the new platform, but I thought I had read that it would support Android apps out of the box, so it may literally may be just pushing a button.

      Not that there's a damned wrong with that. If Android compatibility or portability is good enough, then you already have thousands of apps ready to go and you don't need to put massive amounts of effort into convincing developers to support your platform (like Redmond is doing).

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    6. Re:Thankfully... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Here I will call them out for you:

      BES sucks, getting rid of it was a huge win for the entire sysadmin team. We no longer had to repush servicebooks or restart the BES just so one user could start to get emails again. Doing that last one was painful because then the other BES users, who did not read the email about the pending restart, would call in to inform us that they were not getting mail during the restart. We no longer have to send back devices that for no known reason will never allow themselves to be setup for BES or any of those other headaches.

      That should get them going pretty good.

    7. Re:Thankfully... by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      Our BES server was retired last year. First it was turned into a temporary camera server, until we decided a Win7 desktop with a good video card could handle it better. Then it was turned into some weird printer app server for a while, until we decided that a desktop could handle that better too. We thought about virtualizing it, just in case someone ever wanted to get a Blackberry again, then we realized how dumb that was and decommissioned it for good.

      A shame, it was one of the least temperamental servers we had.

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    8. Re:Thankfully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Thankfully, quick / rushed ports have never been buggy or otherwise lacking in quality

      Buggy? no 100$ for you, try resubmitting after polishing it up.

    9. Re:Thankfully... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Android apps don't even work consistently between different phones and different versions of Android. I have no expectation that you could just hit recompile and have your app work flawlessly (or as well as it did on Android devices) on BlackBerry devices. It just isn't going to happen.

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    10. Re:Thankfully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ability to port Android apps depends on a few things:

      1) Version. I don't think any Android app above 2.3 can be ported
      2) Device dependency - anything that depends on a proprietary device or driver won't work, either
      3) Anything that's developed for a specific "skin" probably won't work, either.

      In many cases, a developer can just upload an .APK file to RIM and they'll spit out a .BAR that will likely work.

    11. Re:Thankfully... by trampel · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's my thinking. If all you have to do is a quick rejig and recompile because the APIs are so close to the Android ones, then it's a near-zero effort situation. I don't know much about the new platform, but I thought I had read that it would support Android apps out of the box, so it may literally may be just pushing a button.

      Not that there's a damned wrong with that. If Android compatibility or portability is good enough, then you already have thousands of apps ready to go and you don't need to put massive amounts of effort into convincing developers to support your platform (like Redmond is doing).

      BB10 contains the Android Player, which essentially runs repackaged Android APK files (I'm don't know if the reason for the different package format is technical or not). This is different from the native APIs, but the user experience is quite seamless. I "ported" one of my apps to the Playbook, and it was not even a recompile - it is a package converter.

    12. Re:Thankfully... by afidel · · Score: 1

      There's a pretty significant subset of the Android API that's not supported, but if you're app doesn't use any of those then it should be as simple as clicking compile. Frankly I'm surprised they got so many taker, Amazon has an app store that literally only requires a re-upload of the file you sent to the Google Play Store and yet it has a tiny fraction of the apps, I figured a recompile would be too much work (and for the majority of apps it probably will be in the long run).

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    13. Re:Thankfully... by jakobX · · Score: 1

      It works. A colleague of mine ported our android banking application to playbook in an hour and it worked. Making it work on all billion versions of android is another story :).

    14. Re:Thankfully... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      4 hours later.....nothing. Also, our organization was also thrilled to do away with the BES, which was constantly broken or in need of a reboot (constantly = weekly at a minimum).

    15. Re:Thankfully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er, on what basis do you state that "It just isn't going to happen"?

      it did, and quite a while ago, flawlessly.

      you wouldn't happen to be an apple user would you? i just get the feeling that you're probably the kind of turd that claims to be a geek on the basis that you can install itunes.

    16. Re:Thankfully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get your facts straight -- amazon can require more reworking than that.

    17. Re:Thankfully... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Well damn, last time I said something like this I had folks claiming those errors were only encountered by folks not knowing what they were doing.

    18. Re:Thankfully... by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      The BES server is the server that I reboot anytime of the day because users just don't seem to notice it being down for 5 minutes. I mean hell, MS Outlook only checks for emails every couple of minutes anyway yeah?

      And as far as devices that won't add themselves, 99% of the time I've found that to be a telephone carrier problem. Either tower network issues or somebody bought the wrong data plan. Usually the wrong data plan.

      I've had 250 users on our one BES server in prime time BB usage, and while I never loved it... I never loved hearing my support guys giving guesses at Android mail setup instructions since the Androids out there all seem to have slightly different setup options. At least BB and more often than not iPhones are fairly consistent.

    19. Re:Thankfully... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      Well damn, last time I said something like this I had folks claiming those errors were only encountered by folks not knowing what they were doing.

      In our case, that would have included RIM. They were constantly in our servers trying to make adjustments, or claiming that the new version would resolve all those glitches. Finally the new version did resolve all those issues, because it wasn't BES anymore. It was replaced (I think with activesync).

  3. The Summoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the name of all that is unholy, I summon the King Troll by uttering his vile name three times:

    APK! APK! APK!!!!!!

  4. so why would i buy a blackberry? by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    instead of an iphone or one of the Galaxy phones?

    do they do anything that iOS or Android does not?

    1. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Funny

      it has... Canadian Technology!

    2. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      To me, the only thing that differentiates the BlackBerry devices is the presence of the BES server so you can access your company Exchange. And I think the phone to phone messaging is supposed to be more secure.

      But, as a consumer, BlackBerry has always had its strengths in the corporate environment -- which is why people started buying the other makes of smart phones when they became available. Because, for the most part, people have no need to connect to a corporate Exchange on their personal phone.

      And, really, having seen the hassles my wife has had with the Playbook I bought her a year ago ... they don't have anything which interests me ... given that the OS should be based on QNX, it should be fast and stable, and my wife tells me her Playbook is anything but.

      And now they're still trying to come out with stuff which is relevant, which they may or may not succeed at.

      I know one person who has had a BB device of some form or another for years, and he swears by them. But then I'm hard pressed to think of anybody else outside of people who get them from work who give a damn. My limited experience with them left me underwhelmed.

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    3. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Watch the video. It has a couple of interesting features. Nothing that would sell me until they prove they deserve a second chance

      The Keyboard and personnal/business modes are the interesting features to a guy like me. I just gotta hang on to that iPhone 3 a little longer before I choose my next phone.

    4. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Android, iOS and WinPhone now can talk directly to Exchange and any other email server that uses ActiveSync. They can also be controlled that way, so BES is not really that valuable anymore.

    5. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me blackberry really dropped the ball with postponing the launch of BB10. I had been a dedicated blackberry user, my last 3 phones being blackberry. When it was time for me to upgrade after having the torch for 2 years, there was nothing worth upgrading to. I inevitably switched to a samsung galaxy s3 android. There are some things i miss about my BB, but as of now i would never go back.

    6. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why, do you want to donate it to a museum?

    7. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      it has... Canadian Technology!

      So....it asks you nicely before it crashes? Or just apologizes afterwards?

    8. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that's not the issue. BES can control individuals or groups of phones to only run certain programs or access certain features. that's what's missing from those alternatives + Exchange

    9. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, I agree ... historically, that's been the primary reason for BlackBerry stuff. If you can access Exchange from other devices readily, what does RIM bring to the table?

      At which point, they're just another manufacturer with nothing to differentiate themselves or make their platform a better choice.

      If they don't have something nobody else does, I don't know what is going to bring customers they've already lost back.

      I'd love to see a list of reasons why someone should go with a BlackBerry, because I'm at a loss to come up with a single one myself. That's not to say they don't exist, but they need to be sure to explain to people why it's worth looking at their products.

      There was a time I'd have said "a phone running QNX, wow, that must be awesome". Now I just wonder how badly they've mangled QNX.

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    10. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No it cross checks you into the boards while serenading you with Alanis Morissette songs, before pouring maple syrup on your concussed head, ya hoser.

    11. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by asmkm22 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Email, mostly. It's much easier to type out an email message (or text, for that matter) on a physical keyboard than on a touchscreen. For me, that's a really big deal.

      There's also an argument to be made about the Blackberry feeling more "industrial" or "professional" than iPhones or Androids. I don't particularly care about being able to play games or watch Netflix on my phone because I use my phone for business and for placing calls. I imagine I'm in the minority on that one though, because it seems like many people today view their phone as some all-in-one gaming machine that happens to make phone calls as well.

      Personally, I can't wait to be able to ditch my Android and get back to a half-screen-half-keyboard Blackberry, provided the phone is responsive and the battery life is decent.

    12. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      If the user interface really feels like the one in the N9 (look pretty much like it), should be pretty nice to use. And if have the apps you need and/or can run native android ones, i would say that is a better option. At least until Sailfish comes out.

    13. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      instead of an iphone or one of the Galaxy phones?

      do they do anything that iOS or Android does not?

      They are really great in the sense that have amazing nostalgia factors built into them. Youd swear from the first time you use it that you have a device from 12 or 15 years ago. It does a wonderful job of giving you that old and dated feel of something that cant keep up with modern stuff. Ah the memories it brings back.

    14. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is a-boat programming in 2 official languages, and run on Canadian bacon and Maple Syrup, eh?

    15. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, as a consumer, BlackBerry has always had its strengths in the corporate environment -- which is why people started buying the other makes of smart phones when they became available. Because, for the most part, people have no need to connect to a corporate Exchange on their personal phone.

      And then, RIM attempted to make a solid business tool into something teen girls would fawn over.

      There's a reason the company is dying (fluff articles about apps be damned); and they deserve to die.

      I only wish that there was something that could take their place. No, fanboys, neither Android nor iPhone have anything to say to what Blackberry provided to the enterprise(tm).

    16. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BES can control individuals or groups of phones to only run certain programs or access certain features. that's what's missing from those alternatives + Exchange

      From a user's perspective, that makes Blackberry worse, not better. IT might think it's great, but unless IT is buying the phone and paying for the plan, users are in charge of the purchasing decision and they'll pick Android and Apple phones.

    17. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by c · · Score: 3, Funny

      it has... Canadian Technology!

      There's an excellent "Cold Or Not" app...

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    18. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by alen · · Score: 1

      you can do this with add on products for ios and android. and you can do it to some extent on iOS as well with some little known apple tools to manage iphones in the enterprise

      but why would anyone want to? the itunes app store already weeds out malware. this whole management thing sounds like power hungry IT nazis wanting some sense of control.

      i can understand in situations like HIPAA or some other special cases, but most organizations BES is overkill

    19. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      You can ask the same question in all three directions- why choose an iPhone or Android phone over BlackBerry?

      Traditionally the answer to that question has been "because BlackBerry sucks". But I'm open to the possibility that that might change. If BB10 has sorted out the user interface, found a way of stocking the app store, and improved the reliability (perhaps built in some fallback modes that prevent the device from bricking up every time the RIM servers go down), then I see no reason not to consider it along with the rest of the line-up next time I make a purchase. I'm not a fanboy- I like my Android phone, but I'd have no qualms ditching the platform if something better comes along.

      Although a few more things I like about my Android are the easiness to root it, the easiness to sideload apps, and of course the open-source nature. I have no idea how the BB10 phones will perform on the first two points, and obviously it doesn't pass the third.

    20. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Funny

      If he doesn't donate it soon, Harrison Ford will just do it for him.

    21. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      instead of an iphone or one of the Galaxy phones?

      do they do anything that iOS or Android does not?

      Well, you cannot get your meeting schedules synced to your BMW without a Blackberry.

      But with 10, I think RIM is losing one important selling point - the physical keyboard. Touch screens are orders of magnitude more error prone, and capacitive screens are even unusable in some conditions. (The Galaxy Note II has a stylus, but who wants to lug THAT thing around?)
      It becomes just one of many.

    22. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      Hey, take off, eh?

    23. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the advantages of true push email vs Active Sync is battery life. You don't have to keep polling the server. That's a big plus for RIM (I say as a former BB user and now huge fandroid who carries a spare battery)

    24. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android, iOS and WinPhone now can talk directly to Exchange and any other email server that uses ActiveSync. They can also be controlled that way, so BES is not really that valuable anymore.

      Exchange Active Synch does not synch Notes on any device, including oddly enough Windows 8 phones. Blackberry does synch Notes into MemoPad.

    25. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Informative

      instead of an iphone or one of the Galaxy phones?

      do they do anything that iOS or Android does not?

      Well, you cannot get your meeting schedules synced to your BMW without a Blackberry.

      But with 10, I think RIM is losing one important selling point - the physical keyboard. -snip-.

      No, RIM is releasing models with both all-touch and physical keyboards.

    26. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only questions I care about:

      - Does it have a real actual true physical keyboard?
      - Can I easily replace the OS / boot-loader?
      - Does the factory OS have root and shell access, a proper terminal, a proper file manager, a media player with streaming support, a decent text editor, a good browser, a good e-mail client, and a usable video/image/sound editor?
      - Do all those programs support add-ons, scripting and modding?
      - Is it open or locked-down? (As in: Can I install my own software?)
      - Am I treated like an idiot by the OS? (Like iOS, Android and WP all do.)
      - Are the specs (CPU, RAM, memory, bus speeds, proper display) alright?
      - Does it offer all the necessary ports in standard formats?
      - Do I still get full guarantee, even after replacing the OS / boot-loader?
      And finally:
      - Can I afford it and is it worth the money?

    27. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      While I don't know of any half screen half keyboard Androids, there are always a couple of android phones with physical keyboards, and there is a iPhone case that has a physical keyboard built into it. So, a keyboard isn't really something unique to BB.

      That pretty well leaves you with Image. That isn't something that can really be argued one way or the other, although you seem to try.

    28. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your BMW is old. My BMW's Connected Drive has worked completely fine without. If you're going to hang onto a car-and brag about it, don't tout its obsolete tech.

    29. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

      easy to root implies easy to hijack with malware... not sure i like that possibility.
      sideloading is no problem on bb10/playbook.

    30. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get an android with a keyboard. If you don't care about all of the extra smart phone stuff, why did you switch to begin with?

    31. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want a keyboard with android, get one that has a keyboard.

    32. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No, RIM is releasing models with both all-touch and physical keyboards.

      That's good to know - they didn't with the Torch, and I am pretty sure that cost them.

    33. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Your BMW is old.

      Production date December 2012.

      My BMW's Connected Drive has worked completely fine without.

      You get the full range of Contacts, Messages, Calendar, Tasks, Notepad and Reminders in the iDrive Office without a Blackberry phone?

    34. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by guspasho · · Score: 1

      And a poutine finder.

    35. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      BES can control individuals or groups of phones to only run certain programs or access certain features. that's what's missing from those alternatives + Exchange

      In other words, it's all about "Enterprise features", or, to give it it's real name "CIO wants to use Windows/BB, etc.".

      The world has moved on to BYOD, why would I want someone else to be able to control what programs I can run on my personal device? The answer to this dilemma is virtual machines running on the phone, with the VM able to access the work email/calendar, etc. and limited in what else it can access and subject to control from the enterprise IT department, while the non-VM activity on the phone is under my control.

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    36. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secure platform.
      Assuming they bring the permission system over, even finer grain controls over what information is seen by the app.
      Better touch interface.
      New camera application that can time-travel people's faces. =P

      Asides from that? There's not much else. Then again, there's not much difference between any other major platform.

    37. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an uneducated response. Android has mods like CM that have all the necessary protections in place (and IIRC, off by default now) for a properly secure root environment.

      Technically speaking, all consumer desktop OSes have an "easy to root" function. It's called the Administrator account.

    38. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At last, someone who understands the true purpose of the Global Poutine System (GPS)!

    39. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, QNX has been hardened. There is a team at RIM devoted to stack smashing the shit out of that OS. Each vulnerability that is found, is fixed. That's why the DoJ gives this device a thumbs up and why FIPS certifies it. Other than that, QNX remains relatively pure. The Kernel itself is segregated from the services that make the phone run.

    40. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by xSacha · · Score: 1

      - Yes there are models with a keyboard.
      - No, you cannot change the OS or bootloader. This is very locked down.
      - No, it doesn't have root access and no one has been able to get at it since v2.0. It doesn't come with terminal but you can install one. It comes with everything else.
      - No, they don't support add-ons, scripting or modding.
      - You can install your own software.
      - If you say Android treats you like an idiot, then I suppose this does too. You have full filesystem (other than root-only files) access all the way back to /, it's a unix system, you have samba access, you have uncompromised bluetooth transfer.
      - They will come with Snapdragon S4 processor, same as Windows Phone 8 devices. 1280x720 display is standard but the first device will be 1280x768. Keyboard model is 720x720.
      - It will have micro HDMI, micro USB, a micro SD card slot and a micro SIM slot for 4G. Same as the Dev Alpha devices.
      - It is not possible to replace OS/ bootloader and I doubt anyone will ever be able to.
      - It's probably going to be quite expensive. Worth the money depends on the person.

    41. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by schnell · · Score: 1

      The world has moved on to BYOD, why would I want someone else to be able to control what programs I can run on my personal device?

      I'm guessing you work at a company or office dominated by "white collar" workers. In the larger business world, the preponderance of headcount is of "blue collar" and "grey collar" workers, and companies are giving those workers smart devices in rapidly proliferating numbers. Whether it's because they want their workers to be able to respond to e-mail, run Point of Sale apps on their devices, run job clock in/clock out & GPS tracker apps, dispatch and routing apps... in many cases your local garbage truck driver is now carrying a company-provided smartphone (or may soon).

      For these types of workers - who are generally paid hourly wages and not salaries - keeping devices managed with work apps only and not Angry Birds, random web access, etc. is a big deal. And that's where Mobile Device Management tools like BES (or Good, MobileIron, whatever) are a HUGE deal.

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    42. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      Why would I buy an iPhone just to be able to get a case that acts like a keyboard, when I could just buy a Blackberry?

    43. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      I think the other reason was that the BB messaging stuff was secure so the cops couldn't intercept the messages you send to your mates when you were planning to go out and riot (the London riots were apparently inflamed massively because of BBM. It also has some nifty group features in it apparently. (I've not used it).

      This is also why it was a hit with corporates - you email about the meeting you go to would be unavailable to people snooping on the wireless comms. (I make no comment about the value of the contents of these emails).

    44. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, RIM is releasing models with both all-touch and physical keyboards.

      That's good to know - they didn't with the Torch, and I am pretty sure that cost them.

      Not true.

      Torch 9810: touch screen with slider keyboard
      Torch 9850/9860: full touch only.

    45. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Here here. One feature is unbeatable on other phones... and that is hotkey dialing on the BB. OMFG I love it. I have 15 or so hotkeys, and I merely hold them down and boom, I'm dialing my contacts that I call every day. It's so less annoying than any other smartphone.

      A PC is better for watching videos and playing games than an iPhone or BB. An iPhone is better than a BB at surfing the web for 30 seconds while taking a dump (although one of my sites has much much better sized text with a BB after you double tap twice or whatever that trick is). But for calling common contacts on a smartphone, Nothing and I mean Nothing is better than a BB. And nothing can type faster and as accurately in my experience, so creating emails and txt messages are not annoying as crap. Even with txt recognition turned off, my iPhone just annoys me too much when I try to type fast on it.

      Seriously, I just bought a new Infiniti vehicle, and calling someone on that interface (which is the best car interface I ran into in my car shopping) is not nearly as good as HOLDING DOWN ONE HOTKEY on my BB!!! And trying to get to a contact on my iPhone just pisses me off like no tomorrow... seriously, how many menus and clicks? And the voice commands for calling ppl on the iPhone is just a joke to me. Half the time it starts playing my podcasts instead of calling someone, and it has almost never called the right person if it does actually call someone. If I had to call using my iPhone I'd get in a wreck in my car every day.

      So yeah, a BB will continue to be my main phone... and if it has some cool apps great, some decent surfing great. My main beef is it better be FAST and the camera better be fast. This new camera deal they are showing is great. Does the iPhone do that, because I need to start using that feature today if so. I'm betting it doesn't b/c my iPhone loving coworker hasn't answered my email about that option. :) Time to google.

    46. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to see a list of reasons why someone should go with a BlackBerry, because I'm at a loss to come up with a single one myself.

      They do phone keyboards well. I know a number of people (not me, who's happy with emulation) who think that's important.

    47. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by AnonyMouseCowWard · · Score: 1

      I have a Blackberry for work, and while I'm underwhelmed by the software, the presence of a physical keyboard is amazing. As an e-mailing/texting device, it's so much better than a touchscreen, coming from someone who has a personal iPhone and a Nexus 7 (the latter has amazing error correction on the keyboard and Swype is a pleasure to use, but I still prefer the physical keys for speed).

      As soon as RIM loses its physical keyboard, they will lose their appeal to me, unfortunately, regardless of improvements in software.

    48. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by dacaldar · · Score: 1
      From Thunderbuck on Crackberry:

      Benefits of BB10 over iOS:

      • True multitasking
      • Easier navigation between running programs
      • Easier management of running programs
      • Expandable memory
      • Time-shifting camera (per FACE)
      • Constant ability to monitor incoming messages
      • SERIOUSLY cool keyboard That keyboard goes somewhat beyond "predictive". First off, the keys are much wider than those on iOS, particularly in portrait mode. Much easier to type on, even without the new features. Second, the prediction scheme is apparently more adaptive, and pays more attention to the way you write as an individual. Third, the ability to "flick" words into the output is frankly brilliant, and I can confirm it's a game-changer. It's an honest productivity-booster.

      from dgarrido: “Rumored screen sharing will also be a difference.”

      from jagrlover: “Removable battery, HDMI out, Better HTML5 compliance (& a) Higher ringmark score.”

      From Nshuti Olivier: "Blackberry 10 is by far better than any iphone or Android phone currently on the market. That is from screen resolution, connectivity, camera, keyboard, OS, Security, Hardware, and the list goes on ... BB10 is currently the only phone to feature 2GB of RAM along with fastest Browser on the planet, in facts faster than some of our desktop computers."

    49. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't. The fact that you use the term "acts like a keyboard" shows that you don't really care about functionality, and that the keyboard is just an excuse. There is nothing "acting" like a keyboard. It "IS" a keyboard. Since your real requirement is for the device you buy to have a label that says "Blackberry", the best choice for you would be to buy a blackberry and not damage your self image.

    50. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      You completely missed the point of my response...

    51. Re:so why would i buy a blackberry? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If that's what it takes to keep your self image intact, sure I missed your point.

  5. Port existing apps? Of course they would by ckhorne · · Score: 1

    If you're a developer / company with an existing BB app, and you see that your product is about to be EOL'd because there's an new OS coming out, then it be prudent to port your app to the new version. Presumably at least some existing apps make money on RIM devices. I have no idea what's involved in the port - whether it's a refactoring of codebase or complete re-write, but 15,000 apps that want to keep pulling money in the door sounds relatively low compared to the total number in iOS or driod stores...

    1. Re:Port existing apps? Of course they would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most iOS apps don't make enough money to break even.

      Source Article
      InfoGraphic

    2. Re:Port existing apps? Of course they would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A complete rewrite with a different language. Old BB is Java, BB10 is Qt + QML (that is, C++). Oh, and a re-design due to a new UI paradigm, of course. So basically the same as porting an application to any new platform.

    3. Re:Port existing apps? Of course they would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A complete rewrite with a different language. Old BB is Java, BB10 is Qt + QML (that is, C++). Oh, and a re-design due to a new UI paradigm, of course. So basically the same as porting an application to any new platform.

      Unless, of course, they wrote for android, opengl w/ c/c++, or html5 - in which a simple port is minimal.

    4. Re:Port existing apps? Of course they would by xSacha · · Score: 1

      Porting a smartphone app from any other platform to BB10 is minimal tweaks.
      Pretty much: old BBOS uses the same programming language as a dumbphone (Java SE).
      Porting a dumbphone (or BBOS) Java app to BB10 is hellishly hard! It's entirely different!

  6. App bounty by EdZ · · Score: 1

    So essentially, BlackBerry have paid $1.5 million in order to have a few thousand apps (of indeterminate utility) in their store for launch.

    1. Re:App bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is dirt cheap considering hourly rates for even starting developers. I would expect that Microsoft, for example, has poured tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars for boosting the WP app store.

    2. Re:App bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for restating what the summary already said.

    3. Re:App bounty by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which, if you think about it, probably is a wise investment.

      If on day one there's 15 apps, nobody is going to buy one because it's dead on arrival and the money you spent developing it would be a waste. If there's 15,000 apps, it's possible to conclude it's not a completely useless platform.

      Releasing it without apps would be suicide, because there's nothing interesting about a smart phone you can't get software for. By now, anybody who has had a smart phone has a list of a handful of apps which are deal breakers.

      Now, the question remains as to if enough people will care enough to buy these. I'm not sure anything RIM does at this point is going to make me say "oooh, I need a BlackBerry" ... but they do need to get a significant amount of people to do that.

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    4. Re:App bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is far more useful of a summary than the original summary.

      Just to kick the hornets nest a bit harder, how much did Microsoft pay for their App Store launch? (Depending on how you define it) A bit more than $1.5m? Took them 3+ months to hit 15k.

    5. Re:App bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would expect that Microsoft, for example, has poured tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars for boosting the WP app store.

      No joke. I've gotten a dozen calls over the last several weeks because Microsoft was holding a WP conference for developers in a nearby city. I'm nowhere near the demographic that's going to develop for any phone, let alone with Microsoft technology -- please quit calling me!

  7. RIM basically bought the apps by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

    FTFA:
    "RIM was offering US$100 for each app ported and subsequently approved for sale in the BlackBerry 10 app store"

    This isn't any indication that people are leaving their favorite fondle-slab for RIM's.

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    1. Re:RIM basically bought the apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTFA:
      "RIM was offering US$100 for each app ported and subsequently approved for sale in the BlackBerry 10 app store"

      This isn't any indication that people are leaving their favorite fondle-slab for RIM's.

      I'd rather have a fondle-slab than a RIM job

    2. Re:RIM basically bought the apps by carlvlad · · Score: 1

      I know this may not be a sure thing, but looking at the bright side, I don't think RIM would just easily pay $100 for any fart apps and generic clones. I really hope the app environment is polished enough for RIM to disrupt the market hold of iOS and Android. And I say the same to Windows Phone 8, Symbian, MeeGo, and upcoming trends of browser based OS too. There are no such thing as too many competition for consumers.

  8. Poor reviewers... by rzr · · Score: 2

    I am wondering how long will it takes to review all of those apps .... is there a alt community store for FLOSS ? because, mine is a meego's basic (but helpful) text editor and it is pending since sunday ... and I am ready to share sources ... -- http://rzr.online.fr/q/qnx

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  9. You get what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everybody complains about new platforms not having enough apps (even if it's in the dozens of thousands already) so companies react by trying to attract lots of apps (no matter how bad they are).

    Now everybody complains that the apps are crap. So what do you want: quality or quantity? Can't pick both.

    I would rather go for a smallish app environment with decent apps than the load of crap there is in Android right now.

  10. Do they still require a business plan? by shirikodama · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After going through hoop after hoop to try to release an app to their store including notarized this, and documented that... for a FREE FRIGGING APP, I gave up when they told me that I needed to submit a business plan to them. I couldn't believe it.

    1. Re:Do they still require a business plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was that, 3 years ago, maybe 5?

      It's simple now, a couple of forms and a few clicks to get set up as a vendor.

      Signing keys are free and automated - couple of clicks.

    2. Re:Do they still require a business plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let logic get in the way of a frustrated developer who doesn't care whether his facts are true or not.

    3. Re:Do they still require a business plan? by xSacha · · Score: 1

      I signed up last year and all I needed to do was enter my details on an online form.
      This is Blackberry 10 we're talking about, not old BBOS.

    4. Re:Do they still require a business plan? by taylortbb · · Score: 1

      I've been doing BB development for a few years and they've never required business plans, don't know what happened there. Registering for App World requires a scan of government photo ID, most people use their driver's license or passport. It's human reviewed so it takes a couple days but it's pretty painless. All the notarized form requirements are gone. The signing keys are free now and just require an email. The entire process has actually become quite painless, and BB10 is actually a nice platform to develop for. All BBOS development has left me wanting to smash my phone, but BB10 development I'll do for fun.

  11. HP?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what HP should have done with webOS...

    1. Re:HP?? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      And Nokia with Maemo/Meego, and Canonical with Ubuntu mobile, and so on. In the other hand, HP could join the effort having common api calls with Plasma Active, Sailfish and Ubuntu mobile. In fact, WebOS could too, and run basically the same apps in all those platforms (probably will require recompilation for/from BB). And a common ecosystem could provide a lot of apps for all the involved parties.

  12. Yah, sure by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because 100 dollars is a fortune! I mean, it would get you a whole hour of my time! I will EAT TONIGHT!

    The smart developer doesn't restrict himself to one platform, especially in a market that already has seen major shifts.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Yah, sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a hundred bucks IS a fortune for some app developers... consider the typical 30% markup and a low sell it now price of 99c, and that's 144 sales worth before the store even goes live. granted, given the enterprise-heavy following of blackberry, the typical 99c diversion or game isn't going to sell very well.....

  13. This should be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Angry Birds is one og those apps. The presence of an Angry Birds port on a platform is pretty much the barometer of whether that platform is worth a damn or not. BlackBerry was done in the past few years by a complete failure to effectively respond to the paradigm shift of the original iPhone. Compounding their problems, all their competitors are sporting MS Exchange capability, and some form of mobile device management without a high cost, dedicated 3rd party server. BB10 will need to kick ass to make a dent in the market...

    1. Re:This should be interesting... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Depends. The Maemo-powered Nokia N900 was the first device to receive Angry Birds and yet Nokia treated the device as its red-headed step child and ran the Maemo platform into the ground.

    2. Re:This should be interesting... by jakobX · · Score: 1

      Angry Birds is available on playbook so i guess its going to be available on Bb10 as well. Only angry birds star wars is missing.

    3. Re:This should be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angry Birds is available...

      *BARF*

    4. Re:This should be interesting... by xSacha · · Score: 1

      Angry Birds was ported to Blackberry 10 last year. In fact most of the popular iOS/Android games were ported last year. They are already there.

  14. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They may be able to brag about attracting all of these apps, but the blackberry 10 as a device itself still sucks, and everyone will still be buying iPhones and Androids.

    1. Re:Yeah but... by saihung · · Score: 1

      And you know this because you're an industry insider who's gotten a demo unit to play with? Oh wait, no you're not, you've never touched a BB10 device either and you're just talking out of your butt.

    2. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't gotten a BB10 device either, you dope.

    3. Re:Yeah but... by taylortbb · · Score: 1

      Maybe not, but I have a BB10 phone already. It's a pretty decent device, re-written from the ground up, natively supports ActiveSync, etc. Don't judge it based on old BlackBerrys.

  15. Yeah, right. by Animats · · Score: 1

    Most of those "apps" are probably some kind of web content that was run through a packaging system to turn it into an "app".

    1. Re:Yeah, right. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      if they perform a useful function who cares if it's a web engine app?

      better that than a half baked re invention of the wheel atrocity of an interface (looking at you, facebook for android)

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  16. Maramalade? by djlemma · · Score: 3, Informative

    Guess a typo in TFA got carried over into TFS. I was trying to search out all these SDK's and google got confused..

    So for those interested, it's spelled exactly like the stuff you put on toast. Info here..

  17. Blackberry popular in Africa by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 2

    RIM is popular in Africa:
    http://www.economist.com/news/business/21567977-its-devices-are-still-popular-there-africa-wont-save-rim-blackberry-babes

    And for your amusement, check out this genius sketch from Ronnie Corbett, "My Blackberry is not Worlking" [Credit: BBC - thanks Beeb!]:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI

    1. Re:Blackberry popular in Africa by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      No pics? What is that about?

  18. I'm getting one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had Android devices for a couple years now and frankly I miss the Blackberry's focus on email and messaging. I'm pretty excited to get a new Blackberry, and if it has some basic apps that I like, such as Songza and a mindless game, then I am going to be happy. The work/personal split personality aspects of the device is very intriguing. I really hope this device takes off so I won't be the only one with a BB10 device. :)
    (capcha: prized) --coincidence?!

  19. BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

    In all honest, Blackberry even as it stands now has better integration, infrastructure, and toe-holds in the enterprise market for mobile than Microsoft will ever get with respect to mobile. So, yeah - they'll do well and they'll steal market share that Microsoft might otherwise have gotten - and really needs. Look for BB to outsell MS in the mobile space once again with BB10.

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    1. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not after that java based piece of crap they called BES. That piece of garbage is out of most of my server rooms and it will stay that way.

    2. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      In all honest, Blackberry even as it stands now has better integration, infrastructure, and toe-holds in the enterprise market for mobile than Microsoft will ever get with respect to mobile.

      First, I'm not remotely a Windows fan. I like my iPhone and I could be happy with an Android, but I have zero interest in Windows Portable Tiny or whatever the official name is this month. That said, you really think BB could have better enterprise - read: "Exchange" - integration than Microsoft could (if they decided they wanted to pursue it)? It would be pretty easy for MS to market themselves as the "real" messaging provider, not the knockoff who just piggybacks off their stuff. Or more simply, "why play with toys like BES when you can integrate directly with your Exchange server?"

      BES and its ecosystem survives because MS had no reason to kill or out-compete it before. They have one now.

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    3. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QNX-in mind
      BB integration to MS like levels (in the enterprise)
      Runs Java (and android as proven)--much of the web basically.
      Support quality will be enterprise level
      Device needs to bulletproof

      If RIM can do the above, it will be a huge comeback.

    4. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by pswPhD · · Score: 1

      It's hard to believe that many current iOS or Android users are leaping toward Blackberry, though. If you're in one of those camps, is that so crazy?

      I was a leader at a youth camp last year, and we had a phone charging service. For the kids there, I would estimate 40% iphone, 40% blackberry and 20% android. granted the very small sample size etc. normal caveats on relying on random slashdot comments, but some do buy blackberry.

      Although I can't talk- I am the one person on the planet with a Palm Pixi

    5. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Lucky_Norseman · · Score: 1

      BB10 supports ActiveSync. So BES will no longer be needed for email integration with Exchange.

    6. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      BB10 supports ActiveSync. So BES will no longer be needed for email integration with Exchange.

      Making BB yet another Exchange client among many. What does it bring to the table here?

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    7. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Lucky_Norseman · · Score: 1

      BB10 supports ActiveSync. So BES will no longer be needed for email integration with Exchange.

      Making BB yet another Exchange client among many. What does it bring to the table here?

      It means that you can use a BB10 device in a BYOD setting without IT having to install BES. Same as with an Android or iPhone.
      If they want more control over the device, IT can choose to use BlackBerry Fusion which gives them similar control as BES.
      Why are more options a problem?

    8. Re:BB10 more sellable than Win8/WinRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the briefings I've had, this is incorrect. The new BES will connect to Exchange via Active Sync, instead of direct MAPI hooks like the (little-liked) current BES. But you still need the new BES. The handheld itself is promising no direct ActiveSync connectivity.

      But the great news is that the new BES is free (as in beer) and CALs can be ported over from legacy handhelds for free (for a time, anyhow), with concurrent usage even. They've done a pretty good job in reducing the excuses an IT group might have to trialing the new handhelds.

  20. Battery & Better Hardware/Usability can tip sc by houbou · · Score: 1

    Blackberry was the dominant smartphone. While many scoff at the keyboard, this phone was first and foremost meant for business. Whatever else you could say, it worked and depending on how you managed your apps and OS configuration, it had a superior life to any of today's phone. In this world everything is possible and Blackberry could get a boost in sales if their hardware and usability have kicked a notched up to match Android/IOS phones and most of all, have a superior battery life. I would go back in a heartbeat!

  21. Re:Battery & Better Hardware/Usability can tip by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    The only way they'll do that is if they skimp on the screen. A small or low res screen can be used with a smaller backlight. My Android phone will last nearly a week if I don't use it. It'll only go about 4 or so hours with the screen on. It's not like Blackberry have some energy saving magic no one else has access to. Their older phones with keyboards sacrificed screen size for the keyboard, giving them less screen space to illuminate.

  22. Yes, it's worth it by accessbob · · Score: 2

    RIM may not have the largest customer base, but BlackBerry users do actually *buy* apps (unlike Android...)

    And the apps are a joy to develop, at least if you have a real BB10 to test with (I do: I have a Dev Alpha). I get a choice between Eclipse and QT Creator for my C/C++, and a huge range of libraries. The platform is QL, and now Nokia have sold that to Digia, QT is coming to Android and Win8 phone in Q3, so I can port even C++ apps between platforms easily.

    What's not to like?

    1. Re:Yes, it's worth it by jakobX · · Score: 1

      Thats because android has free apps. Why buy a paid app if there are good free alternatives available. I like my playbook but the selection of apps is a bit pathetic. At least we can convert android apps so its all good :).

  23. What languages are used? by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    I figured someone would describe a bit about how to develop for the BB. Of course this being slashot we have instead fanboi rants from all directions. In any case, you can see it here:
    https://developer.blackberry.com/develop/platform_choice/bb10.html

    C/C++
    Java
    C++/QT
    AIR
    HTML5

    are supported.

  24. If the Idiots at RIM ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the idiots at RIM are smarter than expected, BES will have a database with native APIs and a good way to access that from the balckberry so you can securely (as opposed to trusting the RDF or assuming Android is compromised) deploy corporate apps. "It would be nice" if my damn blackberry could pick things out of a few databases at work, and I'd trust it more for a mobile POS system than the POS mobile POS apps on android. I'd be much more inclined to trust the BB for remote admin than I am for the "assume it's compromised" andoid.

  25. Meaningless Statistic... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    At this rate Blackberry will exceed Apple and Google's 700,000 applications in 73 days!

    RIM is back on top!

  26. I own an iPhone; this is relevant to my interests by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

    I've never owned a Blackberry. But I like interesting OSes, and I like marketplace diversity. It's this sort of stuff that makes it interesting to own a device.

    I have an iPhone 4. The only Android device that's tempted me at all so far is one of the recently announced Sonys (waterproof, ANT+, Sony's typically good camera) and that's about it. The current state of the market offers me very little that's meaningful in my day-to-day life, and so phones are kind of boring. Samsung vs. Apple. Android vs. iOS vs. WP8! It's Meh vs. Meh if you ask me.

    I stick with iOS because it's a Mac household, I have other iOS devices, and my friends and family have iPhones. iMessage and Facetime are staples for me. It'll take an awful lot to pry me away from that.

    But that said, if the new Blackberry is interesting enough, I'll give it a serious look. The small players have to work harder to make things interesting, and RIM is now a legitimate 'small' player in this market. It's a bit do-or-die, so I expect some interesting stuff.

  27. Johnny! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    It's voice technology that competes with SIRI would be fantastic!

    "Hey hoser, in aboot 100 metres take a left eh?"

    1. Re:Johnny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, I would pay for!

  28. Average consumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's hard to believe that many current iOS or Android users are leaping toward Blackberry, though.

    This is a very naive comment.

    The author may have a point when it comes to technically aware and OS-loyal Slashdot readers, but the average consumer really isn't interested. A significant number of Android owners barely use the web browser on their phone, much less a significant number of apps. They have absolutely no barrier to platform-hopping if the new BB looks good when they come to renew their contract. iOS users are a bit more loyal, but even they could be swayed by the next shiny.

    1. Re:Average consumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "technically aware"

        you have to be kidding - for some time this website has been a refuge for apple fans.

      they're likely to be aware of what they might call product style, which translates roughly as 'marketing to extremely tasteless and clueless people' for anyone with more than a few brain cells.

      you must be new here.

  29. Stolen Android devices are too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last spring, I and a friend had our unlocked quad-band Android phones stolen while in Spain. We quickly remotely wiped them and disabled the IMEI world-wide ... which means North America and Western Europe.

    A few months later, those phones showed up in Africa thanks to IMEI tracking that telecoms have. Another friend works for AT&T wireless in device engineering. No way to brick the devices when the network operator doesn't cooperate.

    Used devices of all sorts are very popular in places where "new" isn't available, but there is a thriving "used" and "stolen" market.

  30. I'm Looking by rueger · · Score: 1

    The old Nexus S is starting to show its age - and I don't just mean the scuffs and the cracked screen - so I'm shopping.

    Like many folks here, the lack of a real keyboard annoys me. I do tend to draft e-mails that are more than one or two sentences long, and the on-screen keyboard just doesn't cut it. My last phone was a Moto Charm, sort of a low powered android BB clone, and having real clicky keys was SO much better.

    As for apps, the sad fact is that 90% of them are crap. Including many from large corporations. I tend to judge by comparing anything to the Craigslist app - a model of simplicity, speed, and ease of use - better than the real CL site. I can't fathom why every narrow focus app isn't the same, and I'm still amazed that people have time to develop multiple skins for an app that is otherwise half-baked.

    What I'll be looking for in the new BB is a mobile computing tool/phone that is aimed at real live business stuff, not Angry Birds or iTunes. I'll be looking at how well it integrates with Gmail, Calendar, and other G-services, and how easy it is to create documents.

  31. Circular argument by accessbob · · Score: 1

    Yes, but many of the apps are free because there's no point trying to sell them... Unless you are very lucky or have a huge marketing budget, you either make Android apps for market visibility or in the hope that you might make something from the app advertising.

  32. Blackberry Playbook by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

    I bought a Blackberry Playbook that I am really enjoying for the princely sum of $131.00, so this is good news.

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    "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
  33. CSE 20 Extra Credit by Xiaohan+W · · Score: 1

    It is necessary but not sufficient for RIM to attract App developers by offering $100 for each app ported and subsequently approved for sale in the BlackBerry 10 app store.