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Microsoft Surface Pro Arrives Feb. 9

Posted by Soulskill on from the because-everybody's-clamoring-for-more-expensive-tablets dept.

adeelarshad82 writes "According to Microsoft, the Surface Windows 8 Pro will be available for purchase on Feb. 9 in the U.S. and Canada. As anticipated, the Surface Pro will be slightly thicker than the Surface with Windows RT, and will weigh about two pounds. The tablet is powered with an Intel Core i5 processor and 4GB of memory. It also includes an 802.11 a/b/g/n dual band Wi-Fi, a stylus for pressure-sensitive input, dual 720p HD webcams, a full-sized USB 3.0 port, microSDXC slot, and mini DisplayPort. Since the Surface Pro runs Windows 8 Pro, it will work with your corporate infrastructure, as well as any older apps that you used on Windows XP to 7. In terms of pricing, the 64GB version will cost $899 while the 128GB will set you back by $999."

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  1. Let the bashing begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll start: this thing is too expensive for what it is.

    1. Re:Let the bashing begin! by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but this has a kickstand. A kickstand! Aren't those all the rage with the kids these days?

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    2. Re:Let the bashing begin! by webmistressrachel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why would any professor worth his salt "Recommend" his students be locked into a device for consumption rather than one that more freely enables co-operation and creativity? Because that's not education is for, that's why.

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    3. Re:Let the bashing begin! by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would any professor worth his salt "Recommend" his students be locked into a device for consumption

      in other words, an iPad.

      rather than one that more freely enables co-operation and creativity?

      Or, in other words, a Surface Pro.

    4. Re:Let the bashing begin! by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The Surface Pro isn't good at anything."

      Or so you've read and like to repeat on the internet.

    5. Re:Let the bashing begin! by ahabswhale · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, you think I'm just spewing what everyone else is saying? That's true but only because it is true. Here's why...

      It's design sucks. A device can only be really good at one thing. This is not a new principle to design but pretty much the fucking foundation of industrial design.

      Want more?

      It's too heavy, expensive and crappy on battery power to be a good tablet, and it doesn't have a real keyboard or adequate screen size to make it a good laptop. Basically, they've built a "laplet" (or "tabtop", if you prefer). Unfortunately for Microsoft, nobody has ever asked for a laplet. This thing will fail even bigger than the Surface RT.

      Like I said, it sucks. Even Microsoft is starting to realize it so they've already decided to drop the price by $100.

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    6. Re:Let the bashing begin! by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Surface Pro isn't good at anything.

      Surface Pro is the best tablet that can run x86 applications. Show me another machine that is as thin, light, and powerful with a stylus. You can't.

      I'll also save you the trouble of reading two replies to your posts....

      It's too heavy, expensive and crappy on battery power to be a good tablet

      You might say a tablet is defined by being thin and light and having all day battery life, but that's different from what I want in a tablet. I want a stylus for writing. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. I want ports for USB drives, portable harddrives, video out. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. I want an SD card slot for expansion and swapping cards. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. Hell even Google's Nexus tablets don't have this. So in my book, Surface Pro is the only real tablet out there. It all depends on the user's needs. The Surface pro is a little thicker and heavier than iPad (.5 lbs and .5") but the tradeoff is more power with an i5 and compatibility with millions of applications and devices. So great for you if your iPad or Android tablet is thinner and lighter and lasts all day. I don't care because they are as useless as rocks for my needs, and I'll gladly pay $899 for a tablet that does what I want.

      and it doesn't have a real keyboard or adequate screen size to make it a good laptop.

      What about this isn't a "real" keyboard? Or the infinite variety of bluetooth keyboards or wired USB keyboards that can be plugged in? I also fail to see how 10.6" is not an adequate screen size but 11.6" on the Macbook Air somehow is. That extra 1" is the threshold? I might similarly say the Macbook Air has inadequate resolution (1366×768 vs 1920x1080 on Surface Pro). Or that Macbook Air is too heavy (2.38lbs vs 2.01lbs). Or too thick (0.68" vs 0.5"). Or too expensive ($999 vs $899).

    7. Re:Let the bashing begin! by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd say the main reason it "sucks" is OS. It's still a horrifying chimera of desktop and tablet, and does neither thing well. Hardware itself actually looks good enough for what I would use it for, if a bit pricy. But I'm not into tablets anyway.

      That said if I were, that actually looks good. Solid build, essentially a laptop inside the screen with attachable keyboard. I can see this replacing an ultrabook for those who want to replace one with a tablet, but need x86.

    8. Re:Let the bashing begin! by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not expensive. It's just plain useless.

      Windows RT was a dismal failure, and Windows 8 will be equally disastrous. It fails on the touch front and on the mouse and keyboard front. Having tried it extensively, allow me to name the ways:

      Touch:
      1) The Metro home screen is the only touch-friendly aspect of it. However, it is filled with useless Microsoft apps that can't function without an internet connection and are tied to largely inferior Microsoft internet services.
      2) It has the usual miserable Windows software keyboard and handwriting recognition, with fairly limited support.
      3) Outside of Metro, the remainder is the usual touch-unfriendly Windows interface meant for a mouse and keyboard, where fat fingers will simply fail. This is what gets me the most. If the thing is a touchscreen, then it should be configured out of the box to be touch-friendly. Instead, it is configured as un-touch-friendly as possible. And worse, while you can say switch Explorer to use large icons on a grid instead of the list or details view, many screens simply don't have a touch-friendly interface.
      4) The edge swiping is annoying and easy to do accidentally, The left edge "screen list" is useful, but only to bring up Metro apps.
      5) Having to go to Metro just to access the swipe that will bring up a button to get to the list of programs is painfully clunky. The bottom swipe should be active on the desktop screen, and it should be the list of applications, not an extra button.
      6) The right swipe should have been able to access the entire control panel, but instead, it's largely useless.

      On the mouse and keyboard front:

      1) The Metro UI and swiping is as horrible as expected. Some things have Metro and old Windows equivalents, but most do not. It's incredibly annoying to switch between mouse and keyboard, and touch, and that's pretty much what's necessary to use Metro.
      2) And I don't think I need to mention that you can't even get to your software list without going through Metro, which is already a three step affair even by touch.
      3) It doesn't come with the cover, which is another $150.

      Oh, and did I mention that you have to "activate" Windows before you can use some of its functionality? It's hardware made by Microsoft but there's somehow still a chance copy of Windows on it can be a bootleg. Activation is automatic with an internet connection, fortunately, but it's ridiculous that it's even necessary.

      I expect Windows 8 to be slightly better than RT, in that it can run traditional apps. And there are third-party programs to minimize the damage Metro causes for those who want to do useful work with it. But that's about as good as it'll get. It's still a touch disaster, and a fairly useless "entertainment" device (RT comes with Office, but no games preinstalled).

      Microsoft needs to shape up if they want to even have a shot at the tablet market. They possess a split personality disorder both on the UI front and on the developer front that they very much need to ditch. If they can't seem to figure out what kind of machine it is (or develop a separate "personality" for each purpose), nobody else will be able to. And people will avoid it.

      For starters, they're going to have to revamp the entire look-and-feel of their tablet Windows to be touch-centric. It'll be easy to go from touch back to mouse and keyboard, because the mouse is just a very, very fine finger. But they need to commit to it, instead of leaving half of the screens in the old Windows UI and the other (useless) half touch-friendly.

      And they'll have to include the keyboard out of the box. The software keyboard is a stinking manure pile. Nobody's going to buy a Surface/Pro without an external keyboard. Nobody's going to touch Windows RT/8 without a real keyboard.

      Portable work devices are rarely perpetually-connected, while entertainment devices are usually connected. Including Office with RT to make it a useful work device was genius, but not including any games was equally boneheaded stupid.

      Only if they can fix the split personality disorder in the rumored Windows 8.1, could it be a useable OS. Otherwise, it'll just be another disaster.

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    9. Re:Let the bashing begin! by thoth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The thing you are overlooking is your needs aren't a significant part of the market. A stylus and all that other stuff? If those were major selling points then Microsoft would have been successful with tablets say... 15 years ago.

      Your repetitious "90% of today's tablets don't" blah blah. Sounds like a prediction that Surface will battle and claw it's way to... 10% market share?

    10. Re:Let the bashing begin! by hairyfish · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Surface has a place. 90% of the corporate world use x86 apps, good luck running those on any other tablet. I've worked a few places that tried to do the iPad or Galaxy Tab thing and it never works because productivity requires a keyboard, a mouse, and corporate apps (which just happen to mostly be x86). We currently pay $1500 for a corporate laptop and another $500 for an iPad for a lot of our users. Even at $1100 (incl some accessories this is a win for us). I'm sure we're not the only company in the world in this situation.

    11. Re:Let the bashing begin! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      Surface Pro is the best tablet that can run x86 applications. Show me another machine that is as thin, light, and powerful with a stylus. You can't.

      Sure I can. Thinner, lighter, Core i5, and it has a stylus.

    12. Re:Let the bashing begin! by caywen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A device can only be really good at one thing. This is not a new principle to design but pretty much the fucking foundation of industrial design.

      You seem so sure of yourself, evident by the unnecessary profanity. And yet many highly successful products both past and present betray your assertion.

      MP3 + Video player => iPod Touch and its ilk
      MP3 + Video player + Browser + Apps + Phone => smartphones
      Passenger car + SUV => Crossover SUV cars
      Game Console + Media Center => PS3, Xbox 360, soon PS4 and Xbox 4
      PC + LCD monitor hybrids => All in one PC's, iMac
      Compact Camera + Interchangeable lens => Micro 4/3 (e.g. Sony NEX)
      Printer + Scanner + Fax => Printer / Scanner / Fax (duh)
      Radio + CD Player => Boombox, FM Walkman
      Power Screwdriver + Power Drill => Combo Power Screwdriver / Drill
      Hammer + Crowbar => Pretty much any hammer you find today

      and the list goes on and on and on. Pretty much every one of these carries with it compromises that can be lambasted by anyone inclined to do so. In all successful cases, the benefits match or exceed the compromise. Some of these examples are more enduring than others, but the bottom line is that compromised hybrid designs are a fine way to go about product design.

  2. Looking forward to this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mostly because work is buying me one.

  3. Success story! by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

    After the stunning success of the original Surface tablet, Microsoft releases its successor, codenamed "Rodents of Unusual Size".

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  4. Re:And? by BLToday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Except the HP TX2500 series were some of the crappiest laptops I've ever used. We bought 8 of them for the office and within 18 months half of them died. They were hot, the screens were dim, and the stylus was never accurate. Plus, it came with Windows Vista.

  5. Not at those prices by tuppe666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It doesn't come with a hardware keyboard or Office (unlike the Surface RT)

    At the prices quoted it does the Surface Pro does not come with a keyboard at all :) those are sold separately.

  6. Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because your bank isn't using it, that means no corp will. Is that your point?

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  7. Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure by ahabswhale · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is why I will never write code at a bank. The dullest environment ever.

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  8. Compare to ... by Rougement · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An iPad at $400 cheaper and a MacBook Air for only $100 more. I'm not sure, at this price point, what MS are trying to accomplish. It just reeks of a hurried "oh hell, we must release something to counter Apple' Well, here's your something.

    1. Re:Compare to ... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      MB air is $100 more and doesn't even have a pen or touch?
      I'd rather have the Surface Pro.

    2. Re:Compare to ... by Cinder6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Apple user here.

      Here's what the Surface Pro has over an iPad: Run desktop apps; ability to modify the OS as you see fit
      Here's what the Surface Pro has over a Macbook Air: Touchscreen

      Different tools for different people and different uses. I don't personally want a Surface (Pro or RT), and it certainly has some (pretty big) disadvantages, but that doesn't mean I can't understand what Microsoft is trying to accomplish. I think there's merit to their "Windows anywhere" goal, though it still needs some polishing.

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    3. Re:Compare to ... by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Informative

      How clueless can you be? Macbook air has no ethernet port, and surface pro does have a USB 3.0 port. As it runs Windows 8 Pro it supports more hardware than the Macbook air including any optical drive, barcode reader, or digital camera you want to plug into it.

    4. Re:Compare to ... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      An iPad at $400 cheaper

      An iPad doesn't run corporate win32 and win64 apps natively. An iPad doesn't integrate with Active Directory for seamless access to network resources. An iPad only has a finger, not a stylus interface. iPad has no USB port.

      and a MacBook Air for only $100 more

      The Macbook Air has no touch interface and doesn't convert to a tablet / slate for easy use on an airplane in economy with the seat in front of you in full recline.

  9. Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure by mattack2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, that means your bank did stupid, browser-specific sites rather than using web standards.

  10. Functionally the same by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be a third less because it uses a shitty ARM CPU, has half the RAM, one eighth the amount of storage space, no touchscreen, no pen input, no memory card slot, lower resolution and weighs more than the Surface Pro.

    No its a third...as in you can but three of them for the same price as Surface. Pro. It comes with 100GB of cloud storage...and has a memory card slot. runs a lightweight OS [and can run Ubuntu too :). Other than touch-screen something I want...if I can get android compatibility, but that has been announced on the next chrome book there is embarrassingly little in it.

    ...but your right it is not exactly the specifications, but functionally very similar, and has advantages cost being the most glaring.