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RIM Unveils BlackBerry 10, Its Big Turnaround Hope
Nerval's Lobster writes "Research In Motion has whipped the curtain back from BlackBerry 10. The revamped operating system is widely perceived as RIM's best chance at staying relevant in a smartphone market dominated by Google Android and Apple's iOS. Once a significant player in mobility, RIM watched its earnings and market-share crumble over the past few years. BlackBerry 10 abandons the longtime BlackBerry user interface, centered on grids of icons, in favor of one built on the same QNX technology that powers RIM's PlayBook tablet. The BlackBerry 10 home-screen offers 'live tiles' that dynamically refresh with updated information, and RIM is playing up how users can move between apps and alerts by swiping and flicking the screen. Other features include BlackBerry Balance, which divides the 'personal' and 'corporate' sides of the phone, as well as an updated BlackBerry Messenger. More details in the article."
RIM also announced they are rebranding themselves as BlackBerry. If you like pictures, omfglearntoplay sent in an article that delivers. Gimmicks of the launch include hiring Alicia Keys as their "Global Creative Director."
Baaah, the end to all "RIM-shot" jokes..
Maybe they'll sell a few before ending up bought up by another phone manufacturer..
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
And they still haven't gotten that memo from Apple yet. They have this big unveiling and what? The device is not ready for sale yet. Especially if you are in the USA, you have to wait until LATE MARCH!? Hahahahaha. Playbook is not ready for update yet either, not until at least the end of February.
Still no Netflix, "in negotiation" with Instagram (which is what they said about Netflix when the Failbook was launched TWO years ago).
I'm sure there's some mild laughter in Cupertino today.
I heard that in celebration of actually shipping the product, they're preloading them with a port of Duke Nukem Forever. Is this true?
I don't think it's really fair to put iOS in the same category as Android when you're talking about "dominating the market," given that the latter boasted a nearly 70% market share in Q4 2012. When the top OS has more than three times the market penetration as the nearest competitor, it's pretty clear that there's only one "dominator."
Apple gets the trophy on physical unit sales because of their sole-source model, but they're not even in the same ballpark when you're talking about OS popularity.
If BB10 succeeds, it will result in more RIM jobs.
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Please let this be a turnaround moment for RIM (now BlackBerry). The Canadian Pension Plan needs all the help it can get.
i use my personal iphone for work and i seem to manage fine. i have my work email coming in, i have the gmail app on it. i have corporate VPN.
and no need of some crazy dividing line
My significant other is a big Blackberry fan and has been for years. The ability for her to type messages is the main attraction for her since she does most of her email on it. By having an interface without the keys, I think the company is overthinking it. Don't try to be like an iphone, be your own brand and excel at it. Likely this is the swan song for Blackberry.
Does it run Linux? ;-)
Better than I expected, but still falls short. It's not terrible, but there aren't many compelling reasons to pick one up over an iphone or a good andriod device (or even a winphone). Except if you use BES. If you don't use BES, its fucking useless.
Apps? So it runs (repackaged or slightly massaged) andriod apps. So what? That just makes it the OS/2 of smartphones..
If this looks like it should have come out 5 years ago, thank the US patent office and in particular, NTP holdings. Patent trolling killed RIM, plain and simple. The 600 million dollar hit to their bottom line put such a huge hole in their R&D budget that they literally couldn't compete, despite having a good platform and good ideas. A company like Samsung or Google or Apple that have huge profit centers in unrelated businesses can easily shrug off a loss like that, for RIM it put them YEARS behind in their ability to innovate, and there is no recovering from that.
Blackberry might have been able to resume their place of leadership in the business market if they hadn't waited so long to try to come back that most corporations favor a bring-your-own-device model now.
They're about 2 years too late.
No WoW factor for these phone and with the price point with contract I think its not that attractive to companies which have already invested or initiated their march towards the apples or the droids.
Their stock price says it all.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
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I thought I heard the presenter telling people not to even look at the new Blackberry about which he was speaking.
Why doesn't RIM, stop spending money on pushing an OS And make high quality android phones. Save money and keep developing the next OS when Android and iOS start to wavier.
Whenever I think of RIM and Blackbery the first thing I think of is how happy I am we no longer have to administer a BES server. I am completely overjoyed that we have managed to rid ourselves of Blackberry's. BES was certainly an interesting piece of technology, but the level of complexity it added to get a calendar and email on my phone was enormous. It seems like yearly it would break in a new and mysterious way - kind of interesting in 1999, really annoying in 2013.
In fact, to celebrate BB10 being released, I think I'm going to dig up an old CD of the Blackberry Enterprise Tools or maybe an old Blackberry Curve and go burn them in the fire pit. (And yes, we have a fire pit at work.)
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Yet another platform that duplicates a large amount of the effort invested in existing platforms, and differentiates itself only with a thin layer of user interface logic and chrome.
Name me one Android or BB camera equivalent (native or 3rd party) to 645 Pro or PureShot for iOS. Not one.
What these two apps do is provide raw, uncompressed TIFF images. No JPEG compression (unless you actually want it), and even then you can get the highest quality JPEG. My pics now are only limited to my skill.
What about Filmic Pro? Can I get anything like that on Android or BB?
market share is useless if you lose money on it
You forgot to add "... in the long run". Market share without profits can be very useful if the purpose is to drive other companies out of the market over a relatively short time period. Ask Amazon. However if a company is competing solely on price but cannot drive others out of the industry (think airline industry) then competition will drive most/all of the profits out of the industry. Apple doesn't compete primarily on price whereas Windows PC makers primarily do. If Apple were to dump OS X and sell Windows on their computers instead, their profit margins would evaporate faster than you could say "shareholder lawsuit". Same if they dumped iOS for Android.
RIM knows this and that is why they aren't going to Android. If they do there is nothing to make them stand out from Samsung, HTC and the rest and their profit margins are very likely to disappear.
There is BB10 BES.
Their stock price says it all.
No it really doesn't. Their stock price is not based off of any fundamentals, merely opinion and short term speculation. Their competitive position has not changed and it remains unclear if consumers will buy their latest products in sufficient volume.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
So did SCO when they announced their lawsuit against IBM. Their stock price jumped and then steadily dropped as people realized they were doomed. Stock prices do not in the short term reflect objective facts about a company, merely opinion. If their stock continues to grow for the next 3 years then and only then will you have a valid argument.
I am interested to see the Balance feature both from a user experience and technical perspective. Currently both the major platforms Droid and IOS simply do not really offer the features Enterprise security needs even when paired with an MDM solution; of if they do they do so in a way that will not be acceptable to end users in a BYOD environment.
We have been promised Droid VMs for two years now and seen nadda. The idea being you'd have a personal phone environment and a business phone environment. One managed one not.
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So I assume when Apple releases its newest product you will dig out a toilet seat iBook and throw it into the fire? If not then what's your point?
Looks like they are trying to compete directly with Apple and Samsung. Looks like around $650 in Canada ($150 with 3 year shackles.. which is about $500 credit towards a phone). If businesses go back to them, yeah it could work at that price (it's not as though they are paying more than an iPhone they are already supplying their sales guys with), but a bit cheaper would have given an extra push.
$359 Nexus 4 vs $650 Q10 for me as a consumer.. the Nexus wins out for sure. Then I can buy the next Nexus as soon as it comes out and hop to the next cheapest carrier at that time.
I didn't read anything about it being locked, but I assume it's carrier locked (that's the norm in Canada). That's BS for travelling. Maybe big corps don't mind paying roaming fees, but I tend to grab a cheap sim card any time I cross the boarder and save myself hundreds in roaming and data fees.
Admittedly I'm not the target market, but at this point I'd think it'd be best for BB to appeal to as broad a market as possible. If they could profit at $350/phone then they should saturate the market, rather than pricing high now, then dropping the price like the Playbook. Nothing makes your product look more unappealing than staging it as a premium product then dropping the price because it doesn't live up to the premium status.
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What's the alternative though? Let everybody use android phones which can load whichever spyware infested apps they want? Not a great way to run your business. Or they could run iPhone/IOS and you'd be at Apple's mercy as far as which of apps are loaded onto your device. Also not great for your business. I've never used BES, but it's nice for businesses to at least have an option to control what does and doesn't happen on their phones. For personal phones, Android is great, but it's nice to see blackberry continue on with a serious option for businesses. There's still a need for that.
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They might just do that with the "Balance" feature if they already have a BES in the corporation. If you didn;t know, it allows 2 user environments on the device, home and work. The work is controlled by the corp (apps and data), all work data is encrypted and you can't copy it to the home user. i think it creates more security for a corp that Andriod or iOS could even wish for.
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Both Android and Apple devices can be locked down for a corporate environment. Stop spreading lies about that which you know nothing about.
Our BES server needed a kick twice in 4 years. We did feel the RIM outages, but the BES server was rock solid. Me thinks you were doing something wrong.
I have the PlayBook and the Torch. The phone is half baked: physical keyboard has ridges around it making it difficult to use, lack of apps, unresponsive touch screen and buggy software that requires occasional reboots.
The PlayBook, which uses QNX like their new phones, is incredible. I've had it for over a year and with heavy daily use it froze on me once. By comparison, my iPod Touch has frozen 2 times in the same period of time. The OS is very responsive, the commands are very intuitive natural to use, the touch screen is as good as the iPod and the predictive text is very good.
I watched the presentation this morning and was glad to see they are heading in the direction they took with the PlayBook. Quality hardware and software that's matched to it the way Apple does it. These new phones are vastly superior to anything RIM has offered before. I'm glad they didn't drop the ball on this one.
Rounded corners, rectangular design, rows of icons; pretty risky in these days of patent wars*
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The whole point of capitalism is that you have multiple companies competing to serve the customer. And you want less of that? A nice monopoly maybe?
In any case, I suggest you have a good look at the underlying OS, and at the developer tools (Ripple for example, is the W3C's recommended tool for testing web apps, not just BB10 web apps). There is a lot going on under the hood that makes BB10 useful.
From the tests done (and in my experience) the Z10 has the most standards-compliant HTML 5 mobile browser, and also one of the fastest. It also has full multi-tasking and multi-threading within apps. It's built on QT, which makes apps much more portable (QT is coming to Android and WinPhone in Q3). Heck, RIM even ported DOSBox, I assume to make a point about Apple's control-freakery.
It's not just a think layer of interface logic, its a mature OS that's quite possibly already in your car, with great development tools and none of the crappy iOS restrictions on emulators/simulators.... It's not perfect by any means, but it's pretty good.
you were doing it wrong. BES isn't about mail/calendar as much as about policies, including custom policies for apps.
No drop down notifications, you only get the LED to watch when the message comes. No push email except in exchange accounts (blame google for lack of activesync in in free gmail accounts). Sub par camera. Don't know if the alarm will work with the phone off (bb phones are the only smartphone that does this currently)
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It's a falsehood rather than a lie if the person saying it isn't informed enough to know that they're not telling the truth.
They can but that also locks down your personal experience later. Do you really want to relinquish control of your personal device? At least with Balance you can do whatever you want and load whichever spyware fart app you want and the business will still be able to protect their data.
Check out http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/has-google-become-institution-bound.html for the skinny on the N4.
Or they could run iPhone/IOS and you'd be at Apple's mercy as far as which of apps are loaded onto your device.
Enterprise apps do not go through Apple at all, they can do anything a company wants.
I've never used BES, but it's nice for businesses to at least have an option to control what does and doesn't happen on their phones.
iOS also offers a huge range of options for corporations to affect what happens on devices with custom profiles.
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I very much want BB to succeed and provide some more competition/innovation into the marketplace. But, I just can't shake the feeling that this is equivalent to what the Palm Pre was, a nice capable device with a good OS that got a lot of attention but should have been released earlier.
By counting every cheapass phone running Android but not iPads?
I used to have a Blackberry Curve. I now have an iPhone 4S. I like my iPhone, but it has some definite drawbacks over my old BB Curve. The Curve's battery would last for a week or more, my iPhone I'm lucky if the battery lasts 2 days between charges. The Curve seemed to be able to get e-mails without incurring roaming charges, when I traveled I could inexpensively text, phone and email. With my iPhone I get big bills, since if Wifi isn't available I have to turn on data roaming to download email. I also found the email and the keyboard much more productive on the BB. If BB still has these advantages, I'll probably go back to BB. If now the battery sucks and it runs up roaming, then I'll probably go to the next Apple phone.
but the outcome is just postponed. at best.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
"more glass" means a wider front lens with the ability to capture more light.
I have an 85mm F1.4 lens originally designed for 35mm. The front element is 72mm across. No matter how good the lens is on a phone (and some are *very* good) it won't be able to gather as much light as this lens.
The BB unveiling was streamed live on CNBC and I watched it. Some observations...
1) The CEO - Thorsten Heins - has absolutely zero charisma. I understand that English probably isn't his first language but he didn't look very comfortable during the presentation. Yeah, we're there to see the phone but getting someone with some presentation skills would have helped.
2) All that aside, they have done a very nice job on the phone. True multitasking. Personal and Business sandboxes. Full encryption. Nice screen. BBM now has a video client similar to Skype.
3) BBM video - was it just me or was the audio not working for the guy in London? The video looked fine but I don't recall hearing him say anything.
4) Apps - I'm tired of hearing about "apps" all time time. Look - no matter what phone you get you're going to have access to more apps than you can shake a stick at. Everyone (Apple, Android, Microsoft, Blackberry) has a collection of about 50 apps that most people want or need. The rest of it is a combination of copies of those 50, niche products, and utter shit. Everyone has Angry Birds, Skype, WhatsApp, Evernote, Dropbox, etc. Just get the phone you like and don't worry about the apps.
5) Good move releasing a phone with and without a physical keyboard. Having had a BB in the past I have to admit that having a physical keyboard is a nice feature. If you don't type on it that much you probably don't need it.
6) I think they said it was going to cost $149. That undercuts Apple and Samsung by $50.
7) No mention of memory, storage, processor, camera specs, etc. I think that was a mistake. That kind of stuff is important to a lot of people (well, me anyway). It would be nice to know if it has an SD card. How does it stack up against the iPhone or Galaxy 3? If they want people to switch they have to show why the BB is a better phone.
Overall it looks like a great phone and I hope they do well with it.
Kinda hard to get sales momentum going from today's rollout and upcoming Superbowl commercial when the phone wont be available to purchase for another month and a half.
You don't have to use BES with BB 10 devices. They support ActiveSync 100% out of the box from what I've read on a few sites. So that it will behave fairly identically to iPhones and Androids in that respect.
The Google Nexus 4 phone has had broken wifi and bluetooth since Android 4.2.1 was pushed out mid-November last year.
See this Google code forum bug report: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40065
and these blog posts http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/has-google-become-institution-bound.html and this
http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/time-frame-of-nexus-4-wifi-bug-issues.html
for more info. It's enough to me make me reconsider a BlackBerry.
Wifi and bluetooth, anyhow. Ever since Android 4.2.1 was pushed out mid-November.
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Actually sorta thinking about maybe possibly becoming open to the potential concept of perhaps thinking about considering a Blackberry.
Full disclosure: I'm a BB user.
When a product gets this much hype, the expectations outpace the market. We need to really sit back for a bit and see how it all shakes out.
My personal attitude is: hopeful - hopeful that it 'takes'. I would not, as yet, put myself into the category of optimistic.
It's going to be very interesting to see what BB does to carve out market share. My first impression would be to convert the existing customer base. Every BB user wants a better experience. The OS 6 browser sucks. There is not enough memory/capacity so that, after a while, old emails and calendar items randomly disappear. This is behaviour that should have a warming before it happens. Will BB10 be better at the business side of things? From what I've seen so far, I am very interested in its use for sales: combining ALL messaging with one contact. This will make it far easier for the user to know what was said and to whom (yes, I know that this was available in a rudimentary way in OS 6.
Swirling Alicia Keys into the mix is a good strategy. That said, where's the corresponding endorsement from a major CEO? You need to balance business with 'fun'.
Querty: Typing on Gorilla Glass is VERY bad for your fingers (carpal tunnel). They should have launched the Q10 at the same time as the Z10.
My best to BB - I hope it grabs the market share it deserves.
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Most phones have a very small sensor, while digital SLRs have much larger ones. All else being equal, a larger sensor can sense more light with less noise. Yes, you're not going to fit the 40mm sensor of an SLR into a camera where it's usually around 3mm.
If they rebrand themselves as "BlackBerry", I guess that will be the end of RIM jobs. Everyone will have BlackBerry jobs. Just isn't quite as funny.
...I liked it better when it was called Advantix.
It too had smaller cameras, smaller lenses. It had backing by a number of prominent companies.
But in the end, it was overtaken by smaller (digital) cameras because the body was not really small enough that you have it with you all the time.
Convenience will win a large majority of the time. And the most convenient camera by far is in a smartphone today.
Because m4/3 has such a small sensor size it will be sqeezed from below by smartphones being more convenient, and above by higher quality cameras that are either (1) professional bodies with much larger sensors, or (2) compact bodies with larger sensors (like the Sigma DP-1M).
A4 (8x11) is not at all out of reach for a decent print from an iPhone now.
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When shopping for a new lens, you want as much aperture as you can afford
That is not true, it depends on the style of shooting.
For portraits or low light work having a really wide aperture is nice. You get a very narrow DOF, or the ability to shoot in really low light while keeping shutter speeds up.
But the tradeoff is color fringing. I have an 85mm f/1.4, and a 70mm f/2.8 - for any kind of landscape work I will use the 70mm every time. It simply has far less CA, and the ability to shoot macro (something else you'll not find many, or any really wide aperture lenses supporting).
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Apple, Microsoft and BlackBerry are all also-rans at this point. Yes QNX (the actual OS behind the Z10 and Q10) is an excellent OS perfectly capable of emulating an Android phone. But nothing is going to be written that is Blackberry interface-aware, and certainly not optimized for that 720x720 screen no Android phone has.
Apple is losing market share and is incapable of beating Google or Microsoft (or Sony or Samsung) to the next form factor which is wearable-on-your-face "googles" (note it is not "goggles", we'll all call them "googles" by the time Google is done exploiting its advantage). Without Steve Jobs to hype stuff stolen from other companies, and with its supply chain too ungreen to be cool in this century, and idiotic patents angering geeks (like us) into shaving off corners on everything to be the same shape as an iPhone (just to dilute their "intellectual property") and "I hate Apple" groups spreading every scrap of bad news, and investors giving up on them, Apple is just not a player any more. OS/X is no longer viable commercially with Linux eating its AV production niche from the high end *and* the low end (with two totally different application suites, Hollywood uses extremely expensive custom supercomputer-ware, while the geeks they recruit learn on various Linux DAWs and AV distros like Ubuntu Studio). A core market, video editors, is extremely angry about the new Final Cut Pro being incompatible with previous versions. And OS/X never did work as well as plain old BSD for networks and hosting. Apple will be out of desktops by 2015, out of phones by 2020 and out of business by 2025 when the last A-tard trades in his iPad for an Android tablet that is 5x faster, has 10x more battery life and charges off powered gigabit ethernet which everyone will have in their house by then (jacks in every room). There is no point arguing with this opinion as it is truth delivered by a Time Lord to me today.
Microsoft? Who trusts them? Windows laptop users (everyone) and desktop users (gamers, corporations) will try Windows 8 but realize it's very locked up by comparison to Android. If Samsung would release a dual-boot phone that could be booted into Windows 8 *or* Android, a lot more people would try it. But the most likely scenario is that good Windows 8 features just get copied into Android which clunks along as a "just good enough" thing, just as Windows 3.1 and 95 did. Then, just like Windows 98 was better than the Mac it competed against, Android will be suddenly better than Windows 8 at everything you like about Win8. Microsoft is just too late to this party. It brings massive money and awareness of how to turn user feedback into product, but has taken exactly the opposite approach to how it succeeded in desktops and laptops: It ran on every pile of junk you could assemble from a dumpster. Very much as Android does right now.
BlackBerry? Didn't their CEO spend a couple of *YEARS* talking about *HOCKEY TEAMS* instead of his core business? Can anyone trust a company like that?
No, they can't. End of story.
As good as the new BB10 is or isn't--sure hope RIM realizes that most of the folks that are still with RIM BECAUSE they like the keyboard. The BB crowd seems to be 50 something and proud that they figured out the smartphone when did and seem to have no desire in figuring out a new style--doesn't matter a 3 year old can navigate the iphone/droid/etc in about 5 minutes...
Yeah RIM might have had a chance if they had come out with an Android phone.
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Well, don't you think you're so smart telling me I was doing it wrong. Of course we used custom policies. We pushed all kinds of crap over the years, including in-house apps. Because, ya know, it's a lot of fun to know how many people have been out skiing all day or what the f&b yield was. Even disabled a few devices over the years. I will never, ever miss BES.
Now we've switched to a BYOD policy for about 75% of our employees. On the expense side, we're really saving a lot of money and employees are happy because they just have one phone. (Unless they really want to have two.)
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Try the Sony Android phones.
I have the Xperia Arc, and its picture quality is amazing for a phone, or even a mid range point and shoot camera.
Despite the usual small lens and limited software from the camera application itself, the lens and the sensor are far superior to most phones.
About the only thing I miss is a proper optical zoom on it. If it had that, I would not be using my Canon SX20 IS camera.
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It's snappy, POSIX compliant, C++/qt and HTML apps. I haven't had a blackberry since a Pearl in like 2007. Competition is good.
Here it is the link to the video of BB10 unveiling: http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/blackberry_experience_launch/desktop_dvr/index.html
You can get m4/3 cameras with full size DSLR sensors
The very DEFINITION of m 4/3 is that the sensor is 4/3 of an inch (22.5 mm diagonal).
No more, no less.
Why do you think the lenses are smaller? It's partly because they only have to cast an image onto an area smaller than 35mm film, as traditional SLR's do.
When I say full size I mean 35mm, not 22.5mm... also known as full-frame. Any m4/3 lens will not be able to fill a full-frame sensor. 4/3 is a full 2.0 crop factor from 35mm cameras.
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For what I already have.
>So what? That just makes it the OS/2 of smartphones..
So, you're saying that the new BlackBerry phone will be sold and relatively popular for another 6 years?
That's a very long time in SmartPhone years. Android isn't even that old. Not too shabby, I'd certainly invest in something that will stick around for another 6 years.
Yay. Two completely different contexts/mailboxes/contacts/calendars, all in one phone! Just wait a few seconds to switch between each.
I'm sure that won't be annoying.
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Well, we have had a BES since 2005 and never really had any trouble with it except once when we accidentally ran out of space because we were not backing up the database and the logs got out of control. Had like 250 users max during the most popular years. The only complaint I really have about it is updates can be slightly annoying... I'd rather not stay late to do updates, but that's the problem with any server and working in IT. Then again, it's nothing compared to upgrading from Exchange 2003 to 2010... OMG what a nightmare. One thing I love about BES is I ALWAYS learn more about Exchange when setting up BES stuff than when I'm installing Exchange.
The BB10 looks impressive and I like the solid underlying OS (QNX) which promises a lot of potential for the future. Unfortunately, the whole presentation was lacklustre and I feel that the BB10 might not get much attention because of its "me too" appearance. iOS/Android has so much inertia despite the inherent flaws in both of these OS designs. BB will have to create a new era of goodwill and perception before peole will take them back on or even continue with them.
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I hope this one is a success, the more competition the better. Keeps everyone on their toes.
Android just Linux bullshit, QNX is a real realtime OS, & the favorite OS of nuclear reactors & machines that go beep in hospital.
Where as there's nothing great about Android, except the number of Android apps, & BB10 can do Android apps as well as it's own native apps
I have been following twitter feeds during the release... People say... a) Zomg Looks like an iphone b) the apps suck c) the apps suck d) they ripped off apple e) (those under 30 ask "whats a blackberry?") Everyone is stuck in this so called "app world" - BB10 tries to minimize the "clicking around" Your email/social hubs/messages are all deeply intergrated into the os, to me thats a great thing, one less app i have to jump to. Pulling in contacts from all your networks into one screen, one "hub" great. Im not a big game/app player so to me, this seems like a great idea. People are way to hung up with the apps, and the developers are partially to blame for rims failure. Their market was swamped with partially finished/ported garbage and to top it off, they want me to pay $4.99 for a theme? This whole post is a garbled thought, but passing off bb10 as a clone, or that its to late - its just the sheep talking. Putting might mess of thoughts aside, IMHO stick google apps on the damn thing, and that alone will boost their street cred. Just give me my contacts/calendar/email in a presentable way, ill be happy.
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Before discounting the inferiority of smart phone cameras to professional cameras, one needs to consider the user. There are millions of average Joes and Janes documenting their lives with their phones today. Go back 20 years ago and look at what the masses were using: instant cameras or some variant. Those cameras were inferior to professional cameras then as well. But the photos today's Joe/Jane are producing are absolutely amazing compared to the photos they were taking in decades past.
The article mentioned that Blackberry still has 79 MILLION users, so not quite something to sneeze at. The problem is how the media is portraying things in large part, and BBs earlier lethargy in coming out with this product - which should have been out 1-2 years ago at least.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S, an android phone. I hear a lot of people raving about Android but I gotta say in my opinion it sucks. It works just fine but the UI leaves a lot to be desired, and doesn't seem to have been all that well thought out. I have friends with iPhones and I can see the appeal of those - but then I have a iMac desktop (even if it does spend much of its time booted into Windows 7 so I can play games). I know just how good OS/X is on the desktop, and the attention to detail that Apple brings to its products. I can appreciate the apple phone probably works quite well - but you seem to need to buy the next one every year to keep up with things, and I am sure that gets a bit tiring not to mention amazingly expensive.
I would love to handle a BB10 and see what I think of it. I bought a BB playbook when they were on sale and I am very impressed with it as a piece of kit. Its weakness is the crappiest selection of apps possible. I am looking forward to the BB10 OS upgrade for the Playbook and hopefully a better selection of available apps.
Buy the right tool for the job, don't get sucked into Brandnames please. I use an iMac desktop because its good, I run Windows when I want to play games, I use a smartphone because I need a smartphone but I am not tied to any one brandname or OS, I want functionality. If that means Apple then I buy an iPhone but if BB 10 is worth using then I may go that way.
Seriously how can they not see that as a usability issue (I'm right handed so i don't care, but...)
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
you should be in your work mode during the day and only check personal stuff at lunchtime - are you one of those that should be allowed to play with facebook during work hours???
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Oh, yessir. God forbid you spend 5 minutes returning a personal call or email during the precious work hours. The travesties that might be done! The countless man-years of work wasted! OH THE HUMANITY OF ANSWERING A PERSONAL EMAIL!!!!!!
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
I whole-heartedly disagree. If they had released an Android phone, they'd be toast. They would not have magically whipped any customers away from Samsung, HTC, LG etc., all of whom have large and well-developed ranges of Android phones with semi-loyal user-bases. And they would have also found most of their existing corporate users abandoning ship- their unique selling point is their security, and Android is comparatively a data-leaky operating system (no more so than iOS and Win8, but far more so than BB).
Their only hope really is to release some genuinely good phones of their own. Personally (as someone who has never owned a BB) I hope BB10 succeeds for them- a crowded smartphone market is a good smartphone market from a consumer point of view. I live in fear of smartphones becoming like the PC- with Android playing Windows with 90% of the user market, Apple flitting around in second place with single digit market share numbers, and all the rest sharing a couple of percent between them.
Too bad they didn't keep the BBQ moniker.
Original poster was not the problem. That would be the AC who decided to get snippy over a simple question.
Asking a person to back up a claim they are making is browbeating on what planet?
The ass was the AC who started making snippy comments on "not reading" rather than responding to the point. You're being an ass with this selective hall monitor crap and browbeating, gaslighting projection.