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RIM Unveils BlackBerry 10, Its Big Turnaround Hope
Nerval's Lobster writes "Research In Motion has whipped the curtain back from BlackBerry 10. The revamped operating system is widely perceived as RIM's best chance at staying relevant in a smartphone market dominated by Google Android and Apple's iOS. Once a significant player in mobility, RIM watched its earnings and market-share crumble over the past few years. BlackBerry 10 abandons the longtime BlackBerry user interface, centered on grids of icons, in favor of one built on the same QNX technology that powers RIM's PlayBook tablet. The BlackBerry 10 home-screen offers 'live tiles' that dynamically refresh with updated information, and RIM is playing up how users can move between apps and alerts by swiping and flicking the screen. Other features include BlackBerry Balance, which divides the 'personal' and 'corporate' sides of the phone, as well as an updated BlackBerry Messenger. More details in the article."
RIM also announced they are rebranding themselves as BlackBerry. If you like pictures, omfglearntoplay sent in an article that delivers. Gimmicks of the launch include hiring Alicia Keys as their "Global Creative Director."
Not only that, but it means us developers will no longer be getting RIM-jobs ... at least not the kind that pay us.
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I heard that in celebration of actually shipping the product, they're preloading them with a port of Duke Nukem Forever. Is this true?
I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
technically HP, Dell and others sell a lot more computers than Apple. but the Mac business makes more PROFITS than everyone's PC business combined
market share is useless if you lose money on it
same with Android. only samsung is making any money. Moto, HTC and others are losing money or barely breaking even.
If BB10 succeeds, it will result in more RIM jobs.
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Compared to which iPhone? I'm in the market for a new phone. Thinking Android, MS or BB. Not sure yet.
i use my personal iphone for work and i seem to manage fine. i have my work email coming in, i have the gmail app on it. i have corporate VPN.
and no need of some crazy dividing line
Better than I expected, but still falls short. It's not terrible, but there aren't many compelling reasons to pick one up over an iphone or a good andriod device (or even a winphone). Except if you use BES. If you don't use BES, its fucking useless.
Apps? So it runs (repackaged or slightly massaged) andriod apps. So what? That just makes it the OS/2 of smartphones..
Oh - C'mon you mods with no sense of humour. At many Canadian universities, RIM has been doing recruitment seminars for years and getting "rim jobs" is a very long-standing joke at these institutions.
Lighten up!
No WoW factor for these phone and with the price point with contract I think its not that attractive to companies which have already invested or initiated their march towards the apples or the droids.
To be fair, any decent app is going to be available to both iOS and Android, and probably Blackberry eventually.
There's a large amount of garbage in both app stores, certainly there are more trash apps on Android, but there are plenty on both.
What, because it won't have a level application that doesn't work? Who gives a damn. How many apps do you need anyway??
iPhone is overated. This coming from the owner of an iPhone. The only reason I purchased an iPhone is that there was no good carrier support for Android, BB didn't appeal to me and MS didn't know what they were doing yet.
Their stock price says it all.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
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They showed a keyboard version. They just haven't announced launch dates for it yet.
I thought I heard the presenter telling people not to even look at the new Blackberry about which he was speaking.
I have to agree. I was hoping there would be a new BB with some type of innovative full pull-out keyboard (not the old thumbing below-screen style). Now I know I will be sticking to Android OS on LG/Samsung/Motorola. I really prefer BB but just can't get into these full-touch screen devices with all the long technical emails/texts I send.
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This is like debating McDonalds vs Burger King in a story about a taco stand on main street that served 5 customers yesterday at lunch time. I think the three blackberry users still left are going to get annoyed at you guys for going off topic.
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You mean like Amazon?
market share is useless if you lose money on it
You forgot to add "... in the long run". Market share without profits can be very useful if the purpose is to drive other companies out of the market over a relatively short time period. Ask Amazon. However if a company is competing solely on price but cannot drive others out of the industry (think airline industry) then competition will drive most/all of the profits out of the industry. Apple doesn't compete primarily on price whereas Windows PC makers primarily do. If Apple were to dump OS X and sell Windows on their computers instead, their profit margins would evaporate faster than you could say "shareholder lawsuit". Same if they dumped iOS for Android.
RIM knows this and that is why they aren't going to Android. If they do there is nothing to make them stand out from Samsung, HTC and the rest and their profit margins are very likely to disappear.
The funny thing is, Apple actually implemented multitouch app switching way back in iOS 4.3, but they haven't enabled it on the iPhone—presumably because smartphone screens are a bit small for their 3+ finger gestures.
You can use Activator (available on Cydia) to enable it, though you'll have to wait for the new jailbreak coming out in a few days. Speaking of jailbreaking, if you like BB10's app previews you could give Auxo or other app switcher replacements/enhancements a try as well.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I think they will have a fighting chance as long as the Android compatibility works well. I'm skeptical of this because Android apps don't even work that consistently across different Android handsets. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. If the apps work, and they have quality hardware (good battery, good signal, good specs, doesn't break) at a competitive price, then I could see a lot of people going for a BlackBerry again.
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For people who don't get the reference, a "rimjob" is a "slang" term for anilingus or mouth-to-ass. The asshole has a lot of nerve endings and is an erogenous zone. It feels fantastic. If you're worried about it being gross, just clean your (partner's) asshole out (stick a soapy finger up there!) or use some dental dam.
There is BB10 BES.
Their stock price says it all.
No it really doesn't. Their stock price is not based off of any fundamentals, merely opinion and short term speculation. Their competitive position has not changed and it remains unclear if consumers will buy their latest products in sufficient volume.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
So did SCO when they announced their lawsuit against IBM. Their stock price jumped and then steadily dropped as people realized they were doomed. Stock prices do not in the short term reflect objective facts about a company, merely opinion. If their stock continues to grow for the next 3 years then and only then will you have a valid argument.
I am interested to see the Balance feature both from a user experience and technical perspective. Currently both the major platforms Droid and IOS simply do not really offer the features Enterprise security needs even when paired with an MDM solution; of if they do they do so in a way that will not be acceptable to end users in a BYOD environment.
We have been promised Droid VMs for two years now and seen nadda. The idea being you'd have a personal phone environment and a business phone environment. One managed one not.
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Looks like they are trying to compete directly with Apple and Samsung. Looks like around $650 in Canada ($150 with 3 year shackles.. which is about $500 credit towards a phone). If businesses go back to them, yeah it could work at that price (it's not as though they are paying more than an iPhone they are already supplying their sales guys with), but a bit cheaper would have given an extra push.
$359 Nexus 4 vs $650 Q10 for me as a consumer.. the Nexus wins out for sure. Then I can buy the next Nexus as soon as it comes out and hop to the next cheapest carrier at that time.
I didn't read anything about it being locked, but I assume it's carrier locked (that's the norm in Canada). That's BS for travelling. Maybe big corps don't mind paying roaming fees, but I tend to grab a cheap sim card any time I cross the boarder and save myself hundreds in roaming and data fees.
Admittedly I'm not the target market, but at this point I'd think it'd be best for BB to appeal to as broad a market as possible. If they could profit at $350/phone then they should saturate the market, rather than pricing high now, then dropping the price like the Playbook. Nothing makes your product look more unappealing than staging it as a premium product then dropping the price because it doesn't live up to the premium status.
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I haven't played with a BB10, but this is exactly how Palm WebOS behaves and it is, indeed, fantastic. Fat lot of good it did them when few developers would write apps for the platform.
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The camera on a smartphone has evolved to having near quality of a professional camera. That said it is NOT a professional camera. When I take a picture with my phone I want it to capture the moment decently and for the size of a dime they go far beyond what anyone realistically needs. If I wanted amazing quality photos I would use a camera with proper optical zoom, etc. Basing a smart phone on 1 feature of which should not be primary is hardly advisable. That would be like not buying the perfect car because the horn sound isn't a perfect pitch. Sure you use it and some days more than others, but it is not core functionality and should be weighted as such.
You're correct that most decent apps will be available, but there will always be exceptions. There will always be some #!$( developers who refuse to program for more than one platform. I'm still discussed by some of the apps that haven't come over from iPhone to Android. I guess the iPhone developers don't want to double their market.
They might just do that with the "Balance" feature if they already have a BES in the corporation. If you didn;t know, it allows 2 user environments on the device, home and work. The work is controlled by the corp (apps and data), all work data is encrypted and you can't copy it to the home user. i think it creates more security for a corp that Andriod or iOS could even wish for.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
You're right, competition and fresh perspectives are what we need.
Even if BB10 isn't a huge success, you can bet the Android and iOS teams will pore over it for clever ideas that could be adapted to their own platforms.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I had a blackberry before my Galaxy S2.
It did everything I needed just fine, I moved on to get the larger screen and a better web browser, not because of any shortage of apps.
As far as demanding uncompressed images from a cell phone camera, that's laughable. The camera quality, while improving is so bad that there really is little benefit to RAW. If you want RAW, get a real camera.
yep, but i'd prefer it be the Torch version so you can still get a bigger screen but alas its not.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Our BES server needed a kick twice in 4 years. We did feel the RIM outages, but the BES server was rock solid. Me thinks you were doing something wrong.
So you've used it then?
I agree, a slide-out keyboard would've been really nice. Even tweaking the size / form factor of the keyboard models would've been nice. It's hard to believe the keyboard one is a new device, especially next to the Z10. I don't want BB to start having dozens of models again though.
"The BlackBerry Runtime for Android Apps supports Android 2.3.3 applications" and this should speed-up the number of available apps for BB. Android 2.3.3 features that aren't supported are listed here.
No, but it runs GNU Hurd! :-) :-)
Well, almost: I wish QNX was licensed under GPL, then it could be renamed into GNU Hurd
Who is using their camera on the phone to do such high quality photos? The lens on phone cameras alone make uncompressed images worthless.
Runs QNX, and uses the QT libraries. Not linux, not open, but at least not as far away as other mobile OSs. In fact could be close enough to simplify porting apps to or from it from other OSs.
The world doesn't wait for or revolve around the USA. If the UK carriers can launch tomorrow and Canadian carriers can launch in just a few days then there is no one to blame but the US carriers themselves.
Now you can have b-jobs.
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Making an app available on Android generally doesn't double the revenue they were making on iOS. There have been a number of iPhone apps that have ported to Android and found that their support costs go up but they don't make nearly as much revenue. There are certainly exceptions but they tend to be big apps that can get a lots of views of ads, like Angry Birds.
Porting from iOS to Android is far from trivial. Plus Android users will post bad reviews for apps that look too much like iOS. So you have to redo half of the graphics and some of the UX unless it's a game. At that point, it takes nearly as much work to do the Android "port" as the original version.
I don't have the time to keep up with 2 platforms in depth and, personally, I just don't like Java or the tools. It'd take something far more compelling that lots of eyeballs (without lots of dollars) to make the effort for Android.
The whole point of capitalism is that you have multiple companies competing to serve the customer. And you want less of that? A nice monopoly maybe?
In any case, I suggest you have a good look at the underlying OS, and at the developer tools (Ripple for example, is the W3C's recommended tool for testing web apps, not just BB10 web apps). There is a lot going on under the hood that makes BB10 useful.
From the tests done (and in my experience) the Z10 has the most standards-compliant HTML 5 mobile browser, and also one of the fastest. It also has full multi-tasking and multi-threading within apps. It's built on QT, which makes apps much more portable (QT is coming to Android and WinPhone in Q3). Heck, RIM even ported DOSBox, I assume to make a point about Apple's control-freakery.
It's not just a think layer of interface logic, its a mature OS that's quite possibly already in your car, with great development tools and none of the crappy iOS restrictions on emulators/simulators.... It's not perfect by any means, but it's pretty good.
Resolution doesn't make up for the small lenses in any small camera. Ask any photographer. More Glass = Better Picture. It gives you better aperture and more light. No chips can make up for the lack of light in uber small lenses, point&shoots included. Therefore no smartphone will ever have the quality of a pro camera. Resolution sure, but those pixels will be garbage.
you were doing it wrong. BES isn't about mail/calendar as much as about policies, including custom policies for apps.
a dick head
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
if its a good app that works then there should be no support. whats your name? (so i can avoid any apps you write as its seems you need to do a lot of support) :o)
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
same with Android. only samsung is making any money.
Will this fucking lie ever die, or does it have to be KILLED WITH FIRE?
Source: LG Electronics 4th Quarter 2012 report
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They can but that also locks down your personal experience later. Do you really want to relinquish control of your personal device? At least with Balance you can do whatever you want and load whichever spyware fart app you want and the business will still be able to protect their data.
I've been in the market for a pedometer for awhile now. I really like the Fitbit and Jawbone offerings, but the Fitbit Android app doesn't support Bluetooth synching (half the reason for the app), and the Jawbone doesn't support Android or PC at all. Both have Android support listed as "Coming soon", but they've had it listed too long to be comforting. I guess Fitbit just announced a tentative date, but they're only going to support the S3 at first. I've got a Razr M, which has the hardware to do the communication. At the rate things are going, I'll be surprised if support is released in the next 6 months. I'd gladly pay $100 for the device(s). I just want it to work with my phone.
i'm glad screens are getting bigger, more chance of bigger physical keys. 3 BB models would be great, no kb, full kb and slide kb.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Err, no
less glass = better picture.
that's why a prime lens (fixed focal distance) gives much better images than a zoom lens.
more glass = more tiny imperfections that amplify in the light's path.
of course, the convenience of zooms usually outweighs any gains in image quality (usually. not always.)
There is still a big gulf between the quality of smartphone cameras and professional cameras, but it doesn't always matter. Instagram and Facebook are both pretty lo-fi anyway. Once you view the images at 1920x1080 or try to print then A4 size you quickly notice the limitations though. For that a compact Micro 4/3 camera is ideal.
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Or they could run iPhone/IOS and you'd be at Apple's mercy as far as which of apps are loaded onto your device.
Enterprise apps do not go through Apple at all, they can do anything a company wants.
I've never used BES, but it's nice for businesses to at least have an option to control what does and doesn't happen on their phones.
iOS also offers a huge range of options for corporations to affect what happens on devices with custom profiles.
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The win8 phones that I've seen are terrible. They are buggy, have weird behaviour, and a ghost town of an app store. My assumption is that BB10 devices will at least share the latter of those problems and I'm tempted to recommend android, but it might be worth it to wait and see.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I used to have a Blackberry Curve. I now have an iPhone 4S. I like my iPhone, but it has some definite drawbacks over my old BB Curve. The Curve's battery would last for a week or more, my iPhone I'm lucky if the battery lasts 2 days between charges. The Curve seemed to be able to get e-mails without incurring roaming charges, when I traveled I could inexpensively text, phone and email. With my iPhone I get big bills, since if Wifi isn't available I have to turn on data roaming to download email. I also found the email and the keyboard much more productive on the BB. If BB still has these advantages, I'll probably go back to BB. If now the battery sucks and it runs up roaming, then I'll probably go to the next Apple phone.
iOS users will complain if you leave your ported android app looking like an android app.
"more glass" means a wider front lens with the ability to capture more light.
I have an 85mm F1.4 lens originally designed for 35mm. The front element is 72mm across. No matter how good the lens is on a phone (and some are *very* good) it won't be able to gather as much light as this lens.
The BB unveiling was streamed live on CNBC and I watched it. Some observations...
1) The CEO - Thorsten Heins - has absolutely zero charisma. I understand that English probably isn't his first language but he didn't look very comfortable during the presentation. Yeah, we're there to see the phone but getting someone with some presentation skills would have helped.
2) All that aside, they have done a very nice job on the phone. True multitasking. Personal and Business sandboxes. Full encryption. Nice screen. BBM now has a video client similar to Skype.
3) BBM video - was it just me or was the audio not working for the guy in London? The video looked fine but I don't recall hearing him say anything.
4) Apps - I'm tired of hearing about "apps" all time time. Look - no matter what phone you get you're going to have access to more apps than you can shake a stick at. Everyone (Apple, Android, Microsoft, Blackberry) has a collection of about 50 apps that most people want or need. The rest of it is a combination of copies of those 50, niche products, and utter shit. Everyone has Angry Birds, Skype, WhatsApp, Evernote, Dropbox, etc. Just get the phone you like and don't worry about the apps.
5) Good move releasing a phone with and without a physical keyboard. Having had a BB in the past I have to admit that having a physical keyboard is a nice feature. If you don't type on it that much you probably don't need it.
6) I think they said it was going to cost $149. That undercuts Apple and Samsung by $50.
7) No mention of memory, storage, processor, camera specs, etc. I think that was a mistake. That kind of stuff is important to a lot of people (well, me anyway). It would be nice to know if it has an SD card. How does it stack up against the iPhone or Galaxy 3? If they want people to switch they have to show why the BB is a better phone.
Overall it looks like a great phone and I hope they do well with it.
Right, so either way it's a lot more work than most people realize to "just port" an app between platforms. Except maybe Android -> BB10 or it's primarily a web app or using a common game engine.
Except: that's not killing it. Your quote talks about LG's operating profit, and their smartphone sales, but not drawing a direct link between the two. That's like taking Sony's overall profit numbers and saying the Playstation 3 has been a money winner for them.
Need a few more dots between those points....
Amazon runs razor-thin profit margins to stop new entrants competing with them. They went for long-term market share as opposed to profit.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
What Chris said... I meant it in more of colloquial / photography sense. i.e. lens diameter, not volume. A 1.4 or 2.8 for a given format will always give you not only more options in terms of aperture and depth of field, but delivers more information to the medium. When your camera is set to auto, as most digitals tend to be, all these decisions are made and sacrifices degrade the image. In terms of lens imperfections, that is true, but you can minimalize this aspect by choosing a good manufacturer. Look at the lenses pros use. That's all I can really say. No one shoots with an Elph. When shopping for a new lens, you want as much aperture as you can afford; zooms included.
Kinda hard to get sales momentum going from today's rollout and upcoming Superbowl commercial when the phone wont be available to purchase for another month and a half.
As they (both sides) should. The Google Maps app's UI for example is a jarring change from many other iOS apps. Call it superfluous eye candy to have rounded ends on a text box instead of plain right angled corners, or smoothly shaded tabs for different functions, but visually the current GMaps, while perfectly functional and I use it a fair bit, just doesn't look right when run in iOS.
A different example: Apple was rightly criticized for basically porting the Mac's text rendering engine and some of the Mac's UI conventions when they first released Safari on Windows. Even if the rendering method was superior to how Windows does it (not saying it was or wasn't), it clashed badly with the underlying OS and all other programs on it, so it didn't look right. Apple got the hint and later versions of Windows Safari (and iTunes) render text the Windows way.
You mean lens flare? That affects every camera lens ever?
You don't have to use BES with BB 10 devices. They support ActiveSync 100% out of the box from what I've read on a few sites. So that it will behave fairly identically to iPhones and Androids in that respect.
The Google Nexus 4 phone has had broken wifi and bluetooth since Android 4.2.1 was pushed out mid-November last year.
See this Google code forum bug report: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40065
and these blog posts http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/has-google-become-institution-bound.html and this
http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/time-frame-of-nexus-4-wifi-bug-issues.html
for more info. It's enough to me make me reconsider a BlackBerry.
What "money"? Android is notoriously difficult to monetize for app developers, and that's not likely to change terribly quickly. Google has virtually zero incentive to do what is needed here. They make their money from search, and search only needs market share, not apps.
Apple has the whole app thing locked up, so instead of going head-to-head where they are weakest, they focus on their strengths, which is variety and price. The primary thing that matters to Google is users, and they are getting them well enough on phones. Google's app offerings and developer support will assuredly improve over time, but it will not catch up to Apple any time soon.
And until that gap is bridged, the money left on the table of the Play Store will be dwarfed by that on the App Store. And in the long run, both MS and BlackBerry have the right things in place to leapfrog Google, in spite of starting so far behind. They just need a "hook" of some sort to gain users. MS's hook is Windows 8, and that's off to a crap start, but may still be successful by the massive inertia of Windows and PC bundling. BlackBerry knows the corporate world and can definitely make a comeback.
But for Google to do what's needed, they'll need to do something that they haven't shown they are able to do, and that is put a proper first class effort into something that doesn't improve ad revenue.
Wifi and bluetooth, anyhow. Ever since Android 4.2.1 was pushed out mid-November.
See http://things-linux.blogspot.com/ for all the gory details.
Actually sorta thinking about maybe possibly becoming open to the potential concept of perhaps thinking about considering a Blackberry.
Full disclosure: I'm a BB user.
When a product gets this much hype, the expectations outpace the market. We need to really sit back for a bit and see how it all shakes out.
My personal attitude is: hopeful - hopeful that it 'takes'. I would not, as yet, put myself into the category of optimistic.
It's going to be very interesting to see what BB does to carve out market share. My first impression would be to convert the existing customer base. Every BB user wants a better experience. The OS 6 browser sucks. There is not enough memory/capacity so that, after a while, old emails and calendar items randomly disappear. This is behaviour that should have a warming before it happens. Will BB10 be better at the business side of things? From what I've seen so far, I am very interested in its use for sales: combining ALL messaging with one contact. This will make it far easier for the user to know what was said and to whom (yes, I know that this was available in a rudimentary way in OS 6.
Swirling Alicia Keys into the mix is a good strategy. That said, where's the corresponding endorsement from a major CEO? You need to balance business with 'fun'.
Querty: Typing on Gorilla Glass is VERY bad for your fingers (carpal tunnel). They should have launched the Q10 at the same time as the Z10.
My best to BB - I hope it grabs the market share it deserves.
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Yes, all the best software incurs no support costs. They just spring forth bug-free and support all the various and sundry configurations from the minds of the gods...
Of course, I'm coming up with a blank trying to name any, there are just so many to choose from! Perhaps you could help me out here and cite a few to help jog my memory. I'll be waiting right here in the line for unicorns and fairy dust.
I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
To be fair, the iPad has had those same multi-finger gestures for quite some time. For some reason, though, the iPhone never got that feature.
iOS users will complain if you leave your ported android app looking like an android app.
And if a port in that direction were to ever happen, I'm sure you'd be correct. Hell, even *Android* users complain when an Android app looks like an Android app!
Apple is a dominant player in the mobile OS and device market. There are many metrics by which to define "dominant", and Apple and their products excel at most of them. The only one where they are reasonably behind Android on is total unit market share, and even on that, their weakest metric, Apple is the #2 player, and a major one at that.
To say the OS isn't popular is to hide your head in the sand while shouting "total unit market share is the only thing that matters" over and over.
Google has a lead in that metric, and they deserve both that and all the spoils that come with it. But let's not be silly fanboys about it, shall we?
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Most phones have a very small sensor, while digital SLRs have much larger ones. All else being equal, a larger sensor can sense more light with less noise. Yes, you're not going to fit the 40mm sensor of an SLR into a camera where it's usually around 3mm.
The lens on *most* camera phones aren't that good. There's only one notable exception, Nokias 808. Which is beyond the quality of (all?) compact cameras, and rivals bridge cameras for still image quality.
The win8 phones that I've seen are terrible. They are buggy, have weird behaviour, and a ghost town of an app store.
You must have seen some Windows Phone 8 devices that are very different from mine.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
...I liked it better when it was called Advantix.
It too had smaller cameras, smaller lenses. It had backing by a number of prominent companies.
But in the end, it was overtaken by smaller (digital) cameras because the body was not really small enough that you have it with you all the time.
Convenience will win a large majority of the time. And the most convenient camera by far is in a smartphone today.
Because m4/3 has such a small sensor size it will be sqeezed from below by smartphones being more convenient, and above by higher quality cameras that are either (1) professional bodies with much larger sensors, or (2) compact bodies with larger sensors (like the Sigma DP-1M).
A4 (8x11) is not at all out of reach for a decent print from an iPhone now.
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When shopping for a new lens, you want as much aperture as you can afford
That is not true, it depends on the style of shooting.
For portraits or low light work having a really wide aperture is nice. You get a very narrow DOF, or the ability to shoot in really low light while keeping shutter speeds up.
But the tradeoff is color fringing. I have an 85mm f/1.4, and a 70mm f/2.8 - for any kind of landscape work I will use the 70mm every time. It simply has far less CA, and the ability to shoot macro (something else you'll not find many, or any really wide aperture lenses supporting).
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Really? Microsoft seemed to be placing quite a bit of effort in keeping them all the same.
LG credited demand for smartphones that run on faster "LTE" networks, which are taking off in South Korea, Japan and the United States. It sold 14.4 million mobile phones during the three months, with smartphone sales accounting for half of the volume. More than 70 percent of its mobile revenue came from smartphone sales.
There you go fanboi. If you were to google you could find all of the information you needed, instead of brow beating someone. http://news.yahoo.com/lg-electronics-post-profit-smartphone-sales-043621356.html
Look at that the darn URL even tells you you're wrong.
But by no means, should you let the facts get in the way of your brand loyalty.
On the contrary, I'm railing against brand hatred. I don't care if you like iOS or iPhones or Apple itself. Only that it's pointless to quip silly things that don't fucking matter, like lens flair. It's not bad on the iPhone 5. The worst you can say about it is that it's purple.
It's not like it just happens out of nowhere. All lenses have it, when you point at a bright light source. "Ooh, this camera has 10% more lens flare" or "that camera's lens flair is purpler!". Using that as an insult against a product is silly, and the very "brand loyalty" bullshit you pretend to be against.
She should give swype/flow (whatever you want to call it) a try, makes typing longer messages much less painful.
So who are you discussing that with? heh heh.
Have you used a pro, or even semi-pro camera lately?
Image quality is more than just megapixels.
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Well, don't you think you're so smart telling me I was doing it wrong. Of course we used custom policies. We pushed all kinds of crap over the years, including in-house apps. Because, ya know, it's a lot of fun to know how many people have been out skiing all day or what the f&b yield was. Even disabled a few devices over the years. I will never, ever miss BES.
Now we've switched to a BYOD policy for about 75% of our employees. On the expense side, we're really saving a lot of money and employees are happy because they just have one phone. (Unless they really want to have two.)
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Try the Sony Android phones.
I have the Xperia Arc, and its picture quality is amazing for a phone, or even a mid range point and shoot camera.
Despite the usual small lens and limited software from the camera application itself, the lens and the sensor are far superior to most phones.
About the only thing I miss is a proper optical zoom on it. If it had that, I would not be using my Canon SX20 IS camera.
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If you really read the news you should have seen that a version with a keyboard was also announced, It will be released shortly after the all touch version.
Also Blackberry always had a varied range of models available in different price points, one would expect this to continue meaning there should eventually be more models in higher and lower price points. The BB10 OS is based on QNX as has been reported elsewhere. This is a secure OS used in mission critical applications in the automobile industry, consider that the next time your Android or IOS phone gets a virius hack job.
It's snappy, POSIX compliant, C++/qt and HTML apps. I haven't had a blackberry since a Pearl in like 2007. Competition is good.
Here it is the link to the video of BB10 unveiling: http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/blackberry_experience_launch/desktop_dvr/index.html
You can get m4/3 cameras with full size DSLR sensors
The very DEFINITION of m 4/3 is that the sensor is 4/3 of an inch (22.5 mm diagonal).
No more, no less.
Why do you think the lenses are smaller? It's partly because they only have to cast an image onto an area smaller than 35mm film, as traditional SLR's do.
When I say full size I mean 35mm, not 22.5mm... also known as full-frame. Any m4/3 lens will not be able to fill a full-frame sensor. 4/3 is a full 2.0 crop factor from 35mm cameras.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No drop down notifications, you only get the LED to watch when the message comes. No push email except in exchange accounts (blame google for lack of activesync in in free gmail accounts). Sub par camera. Don't know if the alarm will work with the phone off (bb phones are the only smartphone that does this currently)
Actually, Symbian phone from Nokia do this pretty well.
And yes, symbians ARE smartphones (I really like my E72. It have a battery life that no android phone could ever offer me)
Yay. Two completely different contexts/mailboxes/contacts/calendars, all in one phone! Just wait a few seconds to switch between each.
I'm sure that won't be annoying.
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Well I haven't used to BB10, but aside from that if you're in the US then the Nexus 4 is the easy winner. Great and cheap, no contract nonsense. The only downside is that it's rather large, this could potentially be an issue if you're sensitive to that.
Yes, it has POSIX compatibility and uses netbsd's pkgsrc ports collection. Thus subject to compatible licensing and 'linuxisms', it should be possible to re-package software written for other Qt-based platforms (open webOS, Nemo, Plasma Active, Ubuntu Mobile).
I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
I get this on Android. With IOS I have to go back to the home screen to switch between apps. On Android I just bring up the recently used app menu.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
At around half a billion iOS devices, I think it's fair to say Apple is one of the companies that dominates the market. In fact, one of only two, with Google (by OS) or two, with Samsung (by hardware).
Speaking of red herrings, would you be so kind as to point out where it says Apple's market share percentage is dominant over the rest of the market? Because it's not actually there.
Slashdot commenters are so eager to get all fanboy in their hatred for Apple, realities are distorted, and this is no exception. To attempt to argue that Apple isn't a dominant player in the smartphone market is... amusing to say the least!
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On iDevices you can do this with a four finger swipe...
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Android just Linux bullshit, QNX is a real realtime OS, & the favorite OS of nuclear reactors & machines that go beep in hospital.
Where as there's nothing great about Android, except the number of Android apps, & BB10 can do Android apps as well as it's own native apps
I have been following twitter feeds during the release... People say... a) Zomg Looks like an iphone b) the apps suck c) the apps suck d) they ripped off apple e) (those under 30 ask "whats a blackberry?") Everyone is stuck in this so called "app world" - BB10 tries to minimize the "clicking around" Your email/social hubs/messages are all deeply intergrated into the os, to me thats a great thing, one less app i have to jump to. Pulling in contacts from all your networks into one screen, one "hub" great. Im not a big game/app player so to me, this seems like a great idea. People are way to hung up with the apps, and the developers are partially to blame for rims failure. Their market was swamped with partially finished/ported garbage and to top it off, they want me to pay $4.99 for a theme? This whole post is a garbled thought, but passing off bb10 as a clone, or that its to late - its just the sheep talking. Putting might mess of thoughts aside, IMHO stick google apps on the damn thing, and that alone will boost their street cred. Just give me my contacts/calendar/email in a presentable way, ill be happy.
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Before discounting the inferiority of smart phone cameras to professional cameras, one needs to consider the user. There are millions of average Joes and Janes documenting their lives with their phones today. Go back 20 years ago and look at what the masses were using: instant cameras or some variant. Those cameras were inferior to professional cameras then as well. But the photos today's Joe/Jane are producing are absolutely amazing compared to the photos they were taking in decades past.
Seriously how can they not see that as a usability issue (I'm right handed so i don't care, but...)
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Ahh this must be why all the pro photographers have tiny lenses on their SLRs. Owait..
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
you should be in your work mode during the day and only check personal stuff at lunchtime - are you one of those that should be allowed to play with facebook during work hours???
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
true but it won't be as big a problem as you think if its well written and tested.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
What do you mean "as big a problem as I think"? All I said is that it's bigger than zero, which is how much you said it should be!
That it's more expensive, broadly speaking, to support Android than it is to support iOS, is widely known. Which is just salt on the wound that is the fact that, in spite of being greater in number, Android users spend significantly less on apps than iOS users.
That's not to say that Android isn't a good platform, or that it's not good to develop for or fun to develop for, or anything like that. It's simply that, from a strictly financial point of view, it's much more difficult to make money on Android than it is on iOS. That does speak to the quality of the ecosystem however, and possibly the quality of the user base (though I suspect that that is highly influenced by the design of the ecosystem).
I really do wish Google would get on the ball on this. Android is an enjoyable system with plenty of hardware options. But it primarily falls short when it comes to the app ecosystem. I do see the quality of the apps improving. Google just needs to do more to facilitate the process.
I refuse to develop for more than one platform. I do the platform that I own. Send me an Android or BB phone and maybe I'll develop for you too. But given your tone, I doubt it.
Oh, yessir. God forbid you spend 5 minutes returning a personal call or email during the precious work hours. The travesties that might be done! The countless man-years of work wasted! OH THE HUMANITY OF ANSWERING A PERSONAL EMAIL!!!!!!
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Not my job to prove your points for you. It's the job of the person making the assertion to back it up.
Who you talkin bout, Willis? There was no browbeating, only beating back asshollery in response to a simple question of overall profits vs smartphone profits.
Wonderful! Now why didn't you say that the first time instead of being an asshole?
1. I am not the original poster. 2. You were browbeating, being just as much an ass yourself. 3. I didn't say it to start with because see #1
I whole-heartedly disagree. If they had released an Android phone, they'd be toast. They would not have magically whipped any customers away from Samsung, HTC, LG etc., all of whom have large and well-developed ranges of Android phones with semi-loyal user-bases. And they would have also found most of their existing corporate users abandoning ship- their unique selling point is their security, and Android is comparatively a data-leaky operating system (no more so than iOS and Win8, but far more so than BB).
Their only hope really is to release some genuinely good phones of their own. Personally (as someone who has never owned a BB) I hope BB10 succeeds for them- a crowded smartphone market is a good smartphone market from a consumer point of view. I live in fear of smartphones becoming like the PC- with Android playing Windows with 90% of the user market, Apple flitting around in second place with single digit market share numbers, and all the rest sharing a couple of percent between them.
Too bad they didn't keep the BBQ moniker.
Original poster was not the problem. That would be the AC who decided to get snippy over a simple question.
Asking a person to back up a claim they are making is browbeating on what planet?
The ass was the AC who started making snippy comments on "not reading" rather than responding to the point. You're being an ass with this selective hall monitor crap and browbeating, gaslighting projection.
I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
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Most of BB work is from graduates at University of Waterloo and from International sites. Their tablet software design takes into account ergonomics, takes into account the way people want fewer motions to get to the app they want, and the users want robustness. The BB has it.
Re University of Waterloo. This University is known as the best English speaking software engineering university in the Country. In the French sector, the University of Sherbrooke at Montreal and Sherbrooke is the counterpart.
Our courses in IT require theory as well as practical design. Students touch hardware as well as software, and do internships as part of their requirement to graduate.
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i know that symbian does it, but nokia declared symbian dead with the pureview phone, so i am not counting a "dead" platform (bb will still release os7 phones)
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