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Music Industry Sees First Revenue Increase Since 1999

Zaatxe writes with a bit of news about the music industry; sales are slightly up (basically flat). From the article: "The music industry, the first media business to be consumed by the digital revolution, said on Tuesday that its global sales rose last year for the first time since 1999, raising hopes that a long-sought recovery might have begun. The increase, of 0.3 percent, was tiny, and the total revenue, $16.5 billion, was a far cry from the $38 billion that the industry took in at its peak more than a decade ago. Still, even if it is not time for the record companies to party like it's 1999, the figures, reported Tuesday by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, provide significant encouragement. 'At the beginning of the digital revolution it was common to say that digital was killing music,' said Edgar Berger, chief executive of the international arm of Sony Music Entertainment. Now, he added, it could be said 'that digital is saving music.'" Because CDs aren't digital. CD sales are declining, and being replaced by the sale of lossy files. I wonder how much more money they could be making if they'd just sell folks lossless music on the open market (not just iTunes) since at least that's all that keeps me buying a CD or three a year (I own way too many CDs personally, and stopped buying music until discovering Bandcamp and easy lossless downloads rekindled my desire to find new stuff).

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  1. Keep your guard up by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Make no mistake about it, the music industry still DREAMS of going back to the days when they could charge you $15 for a CD that you had to buy just to listen to one lousy song. Turn your back on them, and they WILL try to go back to a similar model.

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    1. Re:Keep your guard up by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Turn your back on them, and they WILL try to go back to a similar model.

      I think you have that backwards, there's been plenty bands who have refused to be part of the online/streaming business or backed out again and the results seem pretty much unanimous. They try going back to a similar model, and the customers turn their backs on them, either they fire up their P2P clients or just play one of the many songs who are easily available that the band doesn't make it a PITA to pay for. If you think that any more than a few die hard fans will go out of their way to buy your music, you have a huge overinflated ego.

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    2. Re:Keep your guard up by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      Isn't the music.industry thriving, and It's just the recorded music industry struggling (like the article says)?

      I'd think large parts of the music industry most definitely do not want to go to the old ways (venues for example benefit greatly when disposable money from music fans doesn't go to CDs).

      wrt to your Sig, I remember neither, but the photos I've seen of the 60s don't paint a pretty picture, and are why I put civil rights and non-judgement as very high political priorities.

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    3. Re:Keep your guard up by bedroll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's missing from the article is a comparison of actual sales numbers. The RIAA members are bringing less revenue in but selling more music. That's because people are paying less and digital suppliers are taking a larger cut than traditional retailers. That's what the whole digital revolution was really about, people reacted not just to free music, but to the greed and abusive pricing models of the industry.

      Another piece that's missing from the article is that independent music sales now make up a far larger portion of the industry. While some of these numbers are likely to be included in a report like this, many of them are not because the independent artists are not members. The overall music industry may well have eclipsed 1999 revenue a few years ago, but we wouldn't know because only the label revenues are counted.

      In short, I think you're right. The industry pines for the days when buying a copy of their works required a physical copy, not just because of bundling though.

    4. Re:Keep your guard up by Hentes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, these numbers are only for recorded music. While CD sales are dropping, ticket sales soar. And as musicians get a bigger cut from live performances, everybody is happy except the middlemen who have been cut out and a thin elite of top musicians who hoped they could retire at the age of 30.

    5. Re:Keep your guard up by Eraesr · · Score: 2

      All I worry about is that the RIAA and their kin will interpret this news as their witch hunt on piracy is finally paying off, and all they need to do now is increase their efforts tenfold with even more invasive and restrictive measures.

    6. Re:Keep your guard up by operagost · · Score: 2

      Make no mistake about it, the music industry still DREAMS of going back to the days when they could charge you $15 for a CD that you had to buy just to listen to one lousy song

      The market drove that change. The recording industry started off selling single songs (and later, two) on cylinders and 78 RPM discs, then 45 RPM vinyl, then cassette singles, then CD singles... then nothing, because the cassingles and CD singles weren't selling anymore. The cassingles were popular for about four years, and the CD singles never were.

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    7. Re:Keep your guard up by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kids use whatever is the easiest thing out there. When Napster ruled, it was by far the easiest way to get a digital copy of a song. Now, if you want to get a song on your iDevice etc., it's a whole lot easier to wander into the iTunes store to buy it than the navigate the mess of illegal downloading. It's not so much a generational gap as a market response. Distributors are finally selling what people were willing to buy all along: a song for $1, if it's available immediately and is easy to get onto players. The full album length market has been gone for over ten years, but for a while there labels kept dreaming it would come back anyway, and priced accordingly. Now they're pricing to where people find it easier to buy than steal, so they buy. It was always about convenience.

    8. Re:Keep your guard up by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is the past. What they dream of is:

      1: Paying for the media, which is DRM-locked to a device upon first use in a player.

      2: Paying for each listen to tracks.

      3: Paying for being transferred to another device.

      4: Paying each year for an unlock key for the media for the locked device.

      5: Paying extra for "DLC"-like ability to listen to the top songs on an album.

      6: GPS device that charges if the player is playing in a public area.

      7: Additional fees for playing music in more than one location in a house.

      8: Additional fees for stereo, 5.1, higher quality, ability to use equalization, ability to use monitors or better speakers, or playing in a vehicle.

      9: Additional fees if more than one person is in the area where the device is playing.

      10: Fees to copy the tracks to and from a device.

      I'm sure there are a lot more, but with DRM and devices having hardware copy-protection stacks, this all could be a reality very quickly.

    9. Re:Keep your guard up by tqk · · Score: 2

      +2 Internets for knowing how to use "inculcated", or knowing it even exists.

      Behind Blue Eyes.

      Even better!

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    10. Re:Keep your guard up by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure Ticketmaster isn't exactly crying on the way to the bank. They are the other monopoly that needs to be crushed.

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    11. Re:Keep your guard up by Githaron · · Score: 2

      Not if they want customers.

    12. Re:Keep your guard up by JeanCroix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worried about it? That's been their interpretation since day one. If sales are up, then "their witch hunt on piracy is finally paying off, and all they need to do now is increase their efforts tenfold with even more invasive and restrictive measures." But if sales are down, then their witch hunt on piracy isn't paying off yet, and all they need to do now is increase their efforts tenfold with even more invasive and restrictive measures.

    13. Re:Keep your guard up by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

      Way too complicated. They could just take a cut from ISPs or Google or general taxation, an extension of the blank media tax that already exists, then they wouldn't have to actually bother with that tiresome business of actually making content.

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    14. Re:Keep your guard up by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And as musicians get a bigger cut from live performances, everybody is happy except the middlemen who have been cut out and a thin elite of top musicians who hoped they could retire at the age of 30.

      Maybe not so much... Many artists are being saddled with what are called "360" deals, meaning that the labels get their cut of performances, merchandise sold at performances, publishing, and other media usage of the material. The labels will put in money promoting and fronting money for the tours and selling the new IP they've retained in the deal. But, at the end of the day, it's all accounted using the same shady practices that the 'AA's have always used, so now the artist isn't even guaranteed to make money from performance or publishing either - he or she is living advance to advance in indentured servitude trying to pay off what his or her label has supposedly fronted for his or her "success".

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    15. Re:Keep your guard up by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      I bought tickets to four concerts last month. One went through TicketFly. The others were all sold by the venues, as directly as they could manage. All of them had "service charges" that were pretty large, considering all of them involved merely picking up the ticket at the will-call booth--no other way to get them. Ticketmaster is slowly being pushed into irrelevancy, but its replacements aren't that much better.

    16. Re:Keep your guard up by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Personally, I yearn for the days when every song an album used to be awesome. I'm not really sure what happened, but I have over 200 CDs mostly from the late 1960s and 1970s, and every single song on the CD is at least something I wouldn't want to hit the skip button on.

      Oh, there were plenty of stinkers back then, but the ones that survived are the good ones. I know I bought plenty of albums in the late '60s I'd wished I hadn't, because the song I'd heard on the radio was the only one that didn't suck. I got to the point I'd only buy an album if I'd heard the whole album.

      They say "90% of everything is crap," but actually 90% of everything NEW is crap; the crap dies in time but the good stuff lives on.

  2. Media distortion by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just you wait! Five years will pass and the RIAA will claim this event was the result of the six strikes ISP rule. Given enough time, a little historical revisionism is all it takes to cascade the "truth" to your favor.

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  3. digital killing music by yincrash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Only happened because the music industry absolutely refused to sell DRM-free music for a decade. No one wanted to buy music that could go obsolete when the store went away.

    1. Re:digital killing music by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Music industry =/= Recording industry

      In fact, the music industry has been doing just fine on the whole, and was largely unaffected by piracy. The recording industry (aka the RIAA and goons) have been suffering, rightfully so

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    2. Re:digital killing music by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd add a third variable into it, as a devil's advocate:

      Music industry -- doing well.
      Recording industry -- meh.
      Artists -- dead.

      Because the recording industry is not fairing well, they have only focused on markets which give them revenue, which tends to be teens/tweens. This is why we are only seeing pop acts like the Justin Beibers promoted compared to Kurt Cobains or acts that might define/push a genre outwards. Add to this radio, where most "rock" stations are living in a time warp ending around 1995, and it is impossible for an artist to "make it big" these days with a band.

    3. Re:digital killing music by medcalf · · Score: 2

      And yet, between YouTube, iTMS, Amazon, a local indie station, and satellite radio, I am finding and hearing more great music than any time since the early 80s. And far more of the money I'm spending on music is going to the artists than did then. So in short, I think you're wrong.

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  4. Liberated by Bandcamp by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    I own way too many CDs personally, and stopped buying music until discovering Bandcamp and easy lossless downloads rekindled my desire to find new stuff

    Yes, I've commented on bandcamp many times on Slashdot and have been using it for years now. Actually when this article came up I was listening to an album released on 06 February 2013 by a relatively unknown artist half a continent away. They're asking $7 for a 6 track album which I find to be a little pricey but the music is good. I think I'll listen to it a few more times before I decide if I want to buy it. That's something you'll never find the RIAA doing and although I'd found bands that did it on their sites and a few independent labels do it but Bandcamp centralizes it. I've seen independent labels just dump their whole catalog on Bandcamp so it must do something for sales (Boston's Top Shelf Records just did it and I've been enamored with Slingshot Dakota who I had never heard of before).

    I think Bandcamp is close to how an ideal music market should operate. Their selection algorithms and rating listings needs serious work but everyone can play and you select your quality when you download.

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    1. Re:Liberated by Bandcamp by Piata · · Score: 2

      This a thousand times.

      I love Bandcamp and Top Shelf Records. Bandcamp is the first music platform that actually suits my needs and gives me all kinds of music to listen to with no strings attached. If I find myself listening to an album a lot, I purchase it just for the sake of convenience. Being able to download the album in any format I choose is also handy because I can download a FLAC version to play on my computer and a more compressed MP3 version to play on my phone.

      I've actually been so happy with Top Shelf Records' offerings that I recently orderd a vinyl record from them. In the confirmation email for the purchase, they included a Bandcamp download code for the album. I cannot say enough good things about this company. This is the way a record company should treat customers; with respect rather than lawsuits.

    2. Re:Liberated by Bandcamp by orchardville · · Score: 2

      Record labels are terrified of what Bandcamp represents, which is the end of them being useful intermediaries between artists and their audience. In fact labels are starting to refuse to sign artists who have released their music on Bandcamp. This coming from several artists I've recorded in the past year who are actively seeking record label support purely for the image of being grouped with a curated selection of artists. And also to be reviewed on Pitchfork, which still only takes submissions from labels.

  5. CD's ARE digital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last time I checked, CD's are digital. Did that change? Are CD's now analog?

    1. Re:CD's ARE digital by Engeekneer · · Score: 2

      I have to agree with the GP. Calling CD's non-digital is stupid in any sense. It is a) factually incorrect, b) uses the wrong term for the wrong thing, c) confuses anybody who knows anything about the issue. If you want a name for decoupled from a physical medium, why not go for virtual music sales (which sadly would be ironically accurate too).

      Or why not call it downloadable/streamable music or online music sales or whatever else? Even if nitpickers may argue that online music sales basically contains CDs ordered from e.g. Amazon, it's much clearer and more correct.

    2. Re:CD's ARE digital by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      CDs are physically analog too. There's pits and this spiral groove, a mechanical spinning thing, a reading assembly...there's a whole layer of analog technology at the bottom there. There is a layer at the top that converts all of this mess into a series of bits, with considerable uncertainty and potential data loss. Every seen a scratch cause a read hiccup? How about the laser not positioning accurately and reading the wrong things? All that stuff happens, and it's all analog. The illusion that even data CDs are digital is done not via direct digital reading, it's done by inserting markers into the stream of pits that let the read mechanism realize when it's gone off the rails, so it can reposition.

    3. Re:CD's ARE digital by multimediavt · · Score: 2

      ... confuses anybody who knows anything about the issue..

      I would argue that is the one group that it doesn't confuse. They are already similar with the subject matter. Why would they be confused? It is the layman that would be confused when he starts learning the correct terminology because he has been used to using the words the wrong way.

      [rant]

      Then, clearly, you are a layperson. I have produced albums. I record digitally and (at the time) produced CDs that contain digital recordings. The misuse of terminology in the article and by the "business sense" (oxymoron) of the word digital is confusing. I understand that it ties back to the legal definition in copyright law, but that definition is intentionally vague and confusing anyway so it covers a broader field of possible litigation for the RIAA and MPAA.

      Compact Discs (CDs) are physical media containing digital recordings, but so is a hard drive, a USB stick and technically a paper strip with holes poked in it to represent the 1s and 0s! The misuse of the word digital by the MAFIAA to suit their attacks on end users is not justification for us as technically competent persons to accept. It's wrong. Since laws are based on little technicalities like this it is important to get these technicalities correct-in every sense they are applied. It makes me vibrate when techies accept ridiculously stupid crap like this or-worse yet-defend it.

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  6. "We want to be last to market" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actual quote from executives there. Then they prosecuted, lobbied, internationally legislated any and all innovation out of existence. And they wonder why they have such trouble generating revenues from new markets.

    I think these numbers are still better than they deserve. Burn in hell, executives.

  7. Lossless Files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder how much more money they could be making if they'd just sell folks lossless music on the open market

    Most people don't understand what this even means, let alone actually care. All they know is availability and cost, along with how many songs they can fit on their iDevice.

    1. Re:Lossless Files by Rufus+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

      More to the point, I listen to my music in my car piped over the interwebs through my phone through my bluetooth through my car's stereo to 105.1 on the dial. I don't really give a rat's ass about "lossy," I care about whether the tune rocks, or whether my kids want to hear a particular song off teh server (subsonic, ftw). I suppose if I were sitting in a dark room wearing huge 70s style headphones while masturbating with my monster cables, AND I were a dog so I could hear the difference, I suppose that "lossy" would make a difference...

  8. CD's Not digital by Danathar · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Because CDs aren't digital."

    Uh..yes, they are.

    1. Re:CD's Not digital by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Because CDs aren't digital."

      Uh..yes, they are.

      At the quantum level isn't everything?

  9. Napster by stevegee58 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny how the initial release of Napster coincides with the start of the music industry's doldrums (1999).

    1. Re:Napster by pr0t0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's maybe more interesting is that there are now so many methods to purchase music online now, that people born at or shortly before Napster have never really known a world in which it wasn't easy to get digital music through legal means, free or otherwise. Back in 1999, the RIAA wouldn't let go of the old models of selling music or explore new ones. Although I don't know Fanning's real motivations, I believe one of the reasons for Napster was to address the need for digital music in a marketplace absent of options.

      There will always be a segment that wants their music for free, but I think that number is ever-shrinking. In 1999, people were starving for downloadable music. Now it's commonplace so obviously digital sales increase and piracy declines. It's what the users of this site have been saying for more than a decade.

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  10. Quality? by GWRedDragon · · Score: 2

    Anyone else think this may be due to a poorer quality of music signed with the labels? I know everyone always thinks things were better 'back in the day', but that doesn't make it not true.

  11. Music never needed to be saved. by fermat1313 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "At the beginning of the digital revolution it was common to say that digital was killing music," said Edgar Berger, chief executive of the international arm of Sony Music Entertainment. "Now, he added, it could be said 'that digital is saving music."

    "At the beginning of the digital revolution it was common to say that digital was killing the music industry," said Edgar Berger, chief executive of the international arm of Sony Music Entertainment. "Now, he added, it could be said 'that digital is saving the music industry."

    FTFY

    This is where they just don't get it. Music has never been in danger. Nothing in the industry has or will stop people from making and performing great music. They aren't concerned with saving music, just their cut of music.

  12. Re:"Because CDs aren't digital." by boarder8925 · · Score: 2

    For once, that's not incompetence on the part of Slashdot's editors. I think it's actual sarcasm.

  13. You could power an entire wind farm by RevWaldo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...with the turbulence created from "CDs aren't digital" whooshing over the ACs heads.

    .

  14. Overall music sales are up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Revenue from albums? Actual sales are way up and have been for years:

    Here's the 2012 report:
    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120105005547/en/Nielsen-Company-Billboard%E2%80%99s-2011-Music-Industry-Report

    Overall sales
    2012, 2011, Gain
    1,661 , 1,611 , 3.10%

    Even album sales are up in that report.

    Here's their Canadian one from 2009 (couldn't find the US one)
    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100204007048/en/Nielsen-Company-Billboard%E2%80%99s-2009-Canadian-Industry-Report

    Same thing, total tracks sales are way up, album equivalent are also up. (See the 'overall album sales' +2%).

    The price hasn't gone up, so the only way revenue has gone up, is if Apple and Walmart and the rest have paid out more of their income for the music.

  15. Geekthink by danaris · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wonder how much more money they could be making if they'd just sell folks lossless music on the open market

    Most people don't understand what this even means, let alone actually care. All they know is availability and cost, along with how many songs they can fit on their iDevice.

    Exactly.

    I hear this repeated in every thread on a geek site about music revenues, but it's so plainly silly. They're leaving hardly any money on the table by not selling lossless music on the open market, because only a vanishingly small minority of consumers have a clue what lossless music even is, let alone care enough to pay extra for it.

    So many geeks really, really need to either get out into the real world, or at least watch some non-geeky TV shows (or, heck, even the non-geeky people in the geeky shows; Penny in Big Bang Theory is a decent example...), to see how the vast majority of America's (and the West's in general) population thinks. It has very little to do with studying all the technical aspects of something and deciding carefully which choice has the greatest benefit for the least cost.

    Until they do this, they will continue to be frustrated and baffled by the things that succeed and fail in markets, and what's even offered. (Once you understand how people think, you may still be frustrated, but at least you'll be less baffled! :-D )

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  16. "(not just iTunes)" ??? by fa2k · · Score: 2

    What's this "(not just iTunes)" in the summary, do they sell lossless DRM-free music on iTunes? If so, that's amazing! We can't really whine about the music industry then, any geek on slashdot should be able to hack together some VM or Wine to run iTunes, possibly easier than ripping a CD.

    1. Re:"(not just iTunes)" ??? by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Well they're 256kbps DRM-free these days, so that's pretty close. Not many can tell the difference - most that can are lying.

  17. Music INDUSTRY has been fine by whisper_jeff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wrote this about a year ago. Copy/pasting because it's still relevant.

    So, claims are regularly made suggesting that the music industry is failing, usually followed by claims that tougher laws are needed to protect the hard working people in the music industry.
    Â
    Small problem - it's not true.
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    The music industry is not in as bad a situation as claims would suggest.ÂHere are some interesting statistics:
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    Music publishing revenues are on an upward trend.
    Worldwide Music Publishing Revenues (2006 - 2011)Â
    http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=69
    $8.0 billion (2006)
    $8.3 billion (2007)
    $8.6 billion (2008)
    $8.9 billion (2009)
    $9.1 billion (2010)
    $9.4 billion (2011)
    Â
    Live music (concert) revenues are on a upward trend.
    Worldwide Live Music / Concert Revenues (2006 - 2011)Â
    http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=70
    $16.6 billion (2006)
    $18.1 billion (2007)
    $19.4 billion (2008)
    $20.8 billion (2009)
    $22.2 billion (2010)
    $23.5 billion (2011)
    Â
    The entire industry's revenues (*)Âare on an upward trend.
    Worldwide Music Industry Revenues (2006 - 2011)Â
    http://grabstats.com/statmain.asp?StatID=67
    2006 ($60.7 billion)
    2007 ($61.5 billion)
    2008 ($62.6 billion)
    2009 ($65.0 billion)
    2010 ($66.4 billion)
    2011 ($67.6 billion)
    Â
    * The "entire industry" isÂdefined as "Revenues are for record labels, music publishers, recording artists, performing artists, composers, concert venues and merchandise, companies; includes revenues from sales of physical recordings, digital music services (online and mobile), music publishing and live music."
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    What is most interesting about these numbers is it supports what I have felt for a long time - the major players in the music industry have realized that CD sales are nice but that's not how to get rich - the big money (almost 2.5 times the money...) is in concerts. That is why acts like 'N Sync and Britney and Beiber and U2 and Lady Gaga and damn near everyone are regularly on tour. They've realized that people are spending more and more on actually going to the concert to experience the music. They realized that to be financially successful means touring a lot. CD sales makes one wealthy but a concert tour makes one rich.
    Â
    These numbers show that the music industry isn't failing. It isn't even shrinking. The _industry_ is growing, across the board. Yes, there are individual companies that might be suffering and there are individual bands that are suffering and there are probably specific geographic regions that are suffering but the industry, as a whole, is thriving - it is growing.
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    One thing I do agree with the music industry, however, is that the internet is a big reason for this - we just disagree on the direction their profits are headed...

  18. "Digital" never threatened music by Andrio · · Score: 2

    It just threatened the Corporate Mafia that controlled every aspect of music and its distribution.

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  19. The Big Labels Still Do Want to Charge You That by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make no mistake about it, the music industry still DREAMS of going back to the days when they could charge you $15 for a CD that you had to buy just to listen to one lousy song. Turn your back on them, and they WILL try to go back to a similar model.

    The people who once wanted to charge you $15 for a CD still want to charge you $15 for a CD. If you actually read the article, it's not the "big five" or any of the RIAA members that they're talking about movin' on up. Instead it's distributors like Apple’s iTunes Music Service, Amazon MP3, Spotify, Rhapsody and Muve Music. Google will join them eventually. But you're not going to see UMG, Warner, Sony/BMG, etc because they're still fighting these models. It's just turning into a really slow and long and painful turnover process as the money changes hands. Singer songwriters and performers are learning they don't need big labels as their music will pretty much advertise itself on social media and YouTube. That means the only big guys feeding off them are the distributors listed in the article. Time will tell if the distributors will hang around or continue to undercut each other (since it doesn't appear to be contractual and exclusive like label contracts). But one thing is for sure: more money is making it into the hands of a more diverse group of musicians. And the industry is more diverse and healthier because of that.

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    1. Re:The Big Labels Still Do Want to Charge You That by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Singer songwriters and performers are learning they don't need big labels as their music will pretty much advertise itself on social media and YouTube.

      Actually, just the ones who are any good; now, only talentless hacks need the RIAA labels.

      The labels have always (at least in my not short lifetime) been stupidly greedy. I learned by the time I was 14 never to buy an album based on one song I heard on the radio. It was "best of", "greatest hits" and "live" unless I heard the album. My crazy friend Tom turned me on to Hendrix, and I doubt I'll forget the day I heard Zepplin's first album. I walked into a record store as they were playing it on the day it was released, and "WOW! That's a good song." Then Communication Breakdown played, and "HOLY SHIT that song ROCKS!" Amazingly, every single song kicked ass. I didn't have to hear the second album to buy it.

      The same was true of a lot of bands; I'd hear a great album at a friend's house and buy their whole catalog (which back then was never more than 3 or 4 albums).

      Most folks back then didn't even bother with albums, and bought the 45 instead, even though the album only cost 4x as much and had >10x the songs.

      The "not listening to albums" bit me in the ass sometimes; I bought "Tommy" on the basis that I'd never heard a bad song by The Who, listened to a little of each song and thought I'd been ripped off, until KSHE played the whole thing one day I was home sick.

      There are people now who like songs from Floyd's "The Wall" who have never heard the whole album. They don't know what they're missing.

  20. Re:Lossless for the general public by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    No one gives two fucks about lossless audio except us nerds and anyone that makes music.

    So sell a lossless copy and make more money from nerds. Profit.

  21. Napster SAVED the music industry by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The diversity of available music is greater now than ever, as the industry has been evolving, albeit painfully for the older labels. Artists can make a living through hard work, not necessarily through CD sales alone. Hell, some bands make more money from merchandise than from music (I'm talking to you, KISS). This has been true since at least the 1990's when my band the Dharma Bums made a killing on t-shirts and realized that's where the money was.

    Never once has the industry blamed CLEAR CHANNEL for fucking up music distribution. Yet through their domination of local radio, nationally, Clear Channel calls the shots, picks the hits, and generally limits the availability of interesting music by focusing on the "stars" it decides to popularize. This is far more insidious than dropping $100 off at the radio station so the DJ will play your new 45.

    After Napster came out, the industry stopped selling CD singles and raised the price of CD's to $18 retail. This had a stronger dampening effect than free music downloads, as many of the people who were exposed to new music through downloads would eventually by cd's to support their new favorite musicians. Plus, one cannot claim that 1 episode of free downloading = 1 lost sale, as many downloaders would never purchase music to begin with (financial constraints, stick-it-to-the-man, live concerts not available for sale, etc). Yes, scientific studies showed that music sales went UP in college towns where Napster was popular.

    I'm encouraged by new arrivals like BandCamp, SoundCloud, Gobbler, and other new musical tools for the web -- but discouraged by the shitty pay musicians earn from streaming dis-services like Spotify. As a hobbyist musician with many friends in the industry, I recognize that it's hard to make a living doing what you like doing, but for many of them, they have no choice -- music drives creatives to create. And that is what we should support -- the human spirit, not some fucking RIAA executive making $80k/year by prosecuting grampas and teenagers.

    Let us not forget that the RIAA and MPAA have forced taxes on all Americans for blank media -- cassettes and CD-R's -- because they assume we're "pirates" who are stealing from them. Nevermind the fact that blank optical media is used for storing computer data that may not have any relevance whatsoever to their claim. Nevermind the fact that I'm more inclined to make cd's of my own songs than to dupe the latest Rihanna (will NEVER happen, boys, cuz I think she sucks #TaintedLove). The RIAA and MPAA have been nursing the public's teat for a long time -- it's time for them to grow the fuck up.

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    Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
  22. Why I stopped buying music by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my younger days, I purchased vinyl 45 RPM singles for hit songs, and LP records for albums. For the car, most people used 8-track cartridges. They sucked, because the tape slides against itself internally, causing "wow and flutter". They also wore out as the lubrication was consumed. I was unusual because I'd record them to cassette tapes. Soon the 8-track got a bad reputation, and people switched to recording their own cassettes. The industry cried foul - we were "stealing" from them. Rather than selling multiple 8-track cartridges (due to wear), they only sold a single cassette or LP, and users would freely copy them. Oddly enough, sales rose.

    When the CD came out, the industry raised the price about 50%, claiming it cost more to produce than vinyl records. We accepted that "fact", and repurchased most of our music collection.

    A funny thing happened - the CD-R arrived. Suddenly we could make copies of a music CD for $1. People felt screwed. We knew the record companies screwed the bands, and we knew they were overcharging us, but charging 15 times the cost of a CD-R pissed a lot of people off.

    Soon, we had a CD at home, and perfect copies at work, in the car and at the girlfriend's house. Wear it out? No problem - burn another copy. Find a new artist? Burn a copy for a friend. In theory, you'd think this would have caused a massive sales drop, since the earlier formats wore out and the CD did not. Yet, while the industry argued they were losing sales, it turned out to be the period of highest sales in history.

    Then Napster and MP3 players appeared. Suddenly the industry was in a panic. The MPAA began an aggressive attack on downloaders, and sued anyone they could find as a scare tactic. Even though past history showed that sharing was a form of viral marketing, they wanted to kill it - perhaps because they have little control over it.

    To my ears, nothing wrecks a song like Autotune (sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard to me) compressed to MP3. Most new music sounded too processed and too compressed. In a sea of over-processed crap, I'm finding it hard to find music I want to buy. So I don't.

    The music industry doesn't understand the people like me buy music because my music-geek friends would share. Without that discovery vector, I'm simply not exposed to anything I'd buy.

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    Place nail here >+
  23. these were the things we fucked up by mcrepairman · · Score: 2

    The report celebrates the music industry as the innovator, which not only gets the internet, but is essentially the “engine of the digital ecosystem”. Sadly, this self-boasting image seems to fall apart at the stitches. When IFPI wants to censor search engines, or make ISPs filter the net, it becomes obvious that they still haven’t learned anything from their own last 10 years. Users go to search engines to pose questions, get answers and do a selection according to their own needs. People pay for the internet connection to access people and content which they think is useful for them. I find irresistibly funny that IFPI thinks it knows better what people should be happy with as a search result. It is insulting though that IFPI thinks it knows better what people should be doing online than those, who pay for the access itself. But these fallacies are also warnings, that they couldn’t break those habits that nearly killed them in the last decade.
    Because if they think those people who have the money that crave for, should change, instead of them providing a better service, then they are wrong. This is why facing the past’s bad decision would help a lot. If you cannot look into the mirror and say: these were the things we fucked up: we wanted to dictate the terms of access instead of listening to what our consumers wanted; we thought they were notorious pirates who could only be forced to pay by lawsuits, and we were wrong, because we now see that people are happy to pay even if they cannot be forced to do so. Absent of such self-reflection the industry will keep repeating the same mistakes. But it is not only them, who are losing by these mistakes. Artists and fans, the music and the culture also loses. Maybe it is time to be a tad more honest and self-reflective, dear IFPI. But at least try to keep your own story straight. Make sure you hire an editor who is able to spot when you contradict your own story. It also helps if you don’t contradict published research with references to unpublished data
    Good luck next time.

    "Subscription services are the fastest growth area in digital music, with subscriber numbers up 44 per cent in 2012 and revenues up 59 per cent in the first half of 2012." VS "Illegal free music remains an enormous obstacle to future growth of legitimate music markets." - I wonder what are the growth expectations of the industry if those enormous obstacles were removed? Exponential, they claim elsewhere. How realistic is that?

    "Ifpi estimates that around one-third of internet users globally (32%) still regularly access unlicensed sites" VS "Pirate services are clunky and old-fashioned compared to the legal services available. they’re being usurped by mass consumer migration to smartphones and access to millions of tracks from legitimate subscription services. consumers can also tap into their social network and see what their friends and family are listening to. The pirate option just cannot offer that complete consumer experience." - They forgot to ask themselves: why people are still using those clunky and old-fashioned services even if so many excellent, legal and _free_ options exists. They claim better enforcement and not better legal services would solve the problem, despite the fact that they offer the proof to the contrary in their own report. Strange.

    "The shift to the cloud could be as significant for the consumer as the shift from physical product to digital consumption. It provides a level of convenience around our content that is increasingly difficult for unlicensed services to replicate." VS "On January 12, 2000, MP3.com launched the "My.MP3.com" service which enabled users to securely register their personal CDs and then stream digital copies online from the My.MP3.com service. Since consumers could only listen online to music they already proved they owned the company saw this as a great opportunity for revenue by allowing fans to access their own music online. The record industry did not see it that way and sued MP3.com c

  24. No, they're not selling what I want by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 2

    My price isn't $1/song, it's $0.1/song.

    I'm boycotting ALL music purchase until it reaches $0.1/song.
    And yes, I'm aware that Russian music sellers are at or below that price point, and NO, I won't use 'em, because I've also read that the Russians don't compensate artists except in the merest token sense. The only legitimate US sellers are selling at around $1/song.

    I also DO NOT pirate music. The music industry can either get $0.1 from me or 0. I don't *need* music.

    I wonder how much revenue they could get at lower prices?

    --PM

    1. Re:No, they're not selling what I want by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

      I don't share your opinion, but I respect your convictions and the fact that you choose to *not* buy rather than to steal. internally consistent and well done, sir.

  25. Re:no one paid $20 for a cassette by jrumney · · Score: 2

    CDs in NZ topped out at around $35 for new releases before the supermarket chains started taking the market away from record stores, and online sales started growing. I do think you've got your exchange rates around the wrong way though. The NZ dollar hasn't been valued that high since before the days of CDs, and perhaps even cassettes (which certainly weren't priced at $20 in the pre-CD days - I recall buying them in the late 1980's for $7.99, although the top prices may have been $9.99 or $12.99 (and later rose to $20, when the exchange rate with $US was around 0.6).