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New Pope Selected
Freshly Exhumed sends this quote from CBC:
"Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina has been selected as Pope of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics. He will be known as Pope Francis. He is the first Pope from the Americas. The 76-year-old was the runner-up to Benedict XVI during the last conclave. He is well-known for his humility and espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception. He has no Vatican experience."
"Goes back to work"
espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception
So nothing important is going to change then? Or am i misreading that?
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What is his favorite distro? views on FOSS?
First time ive heard that the old pope gave up being the pope for lent. Wonder what the new guy has up his sleeve!
Don't blame me, I voted for Father Guido Sarducci. Screw the rest of the conclave.
Best keep that straw and chimney handy.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Devotees of Ireland's 12th century Saint Malachy believe that he predicted back then that the new Pope will be the very last one:
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/St-Malachy-predicted-Pope-Benedicts-successor-will-be-last-pope-190715001.html
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
I'm Argentine and proud that the first non-european pope is from Argentina!!! congratulations Bergolio!!
Soy argentino y es un orgullo que el primer papa no europeo sea argentino!!! felicidades Bergolio!!
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I honestly expected them to get somebody from Rome named Peter on purpose. The cardinals really don't get marketing.
I'm curious to hear YOUR definition of humility. Really, I'd like to know.
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Please explain how they are not compatible?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Now will he renounce the current Catholic stance on condoms, so that perhaps we can save, oh, hundres of thousands or even millions of lives?
Will he: Disawow the insane and puerile dogma of original sin?
(Etc.)
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This guy has said that allowing gay couples to adopt children is a form of discrimination against the children.
So a lot's going to change in Vatican City
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The tradition was started when a Pope named Mecurious (Mercury) was elected. He thought that a Christian Pope with a pagan name wasn't kosher (so to speak), so he took the name "John" (I think it was John).
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Being humble, but also believing that your views on how other people should live their lives are so righteous that others shouldn't even be able to decide for themselves, are mutually exclusive.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Well, I was amazed how fast his article in Wikipedia got updated. It didn't take more than a minute. Also, many big news websites in my country are down. That never happened before, as far as I know.
Page views?
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Better luck next time Richard Stallman.
espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception
Guess he'll continue the long, proud tradition of covering for child molesters too.
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Presuming to know what's good for homosexuals, inadvertently pregnant women and people who want to have sex without getting pregnant and then forcing those views upon them through a large, well organized, well resourced church is not exhibiting humility. An approach imbued with humility would go alone the lines of - I think these things are true, but I might be wrong, so I'll exercise caution and be mindful of contrary opinions. Depending on context, 'pride', 'egotism' or 'arrogance' would serve as opposites to 'humility'. This chap appears to exhibit at least two of the three. I've never met him though, so I'm not sure about the first one.
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"Bergoglio often rode the bus to work, cooked his own meals and regularly visited the slums that ring Argentina's capital. He considers social outreach, rather than doctrinal battles, to be the essential business of the church.
He accused fellow church leaders of hypocrisy and forgetting that Jesus Christ bathed lepers and ate with prostitutes."
http://news.yahoo.com/francis-first-pope-americas-193844474.html
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
Have gnu, will travel.
Because it has a substantial impact on the world.
I find it interesting he was initially trained as a chemist. "Bergoglio taught literature, psychology, philosophy and theology before taking over as Buenos Aires archbishop in 1998."
http://news.yahoo.com/francis-first-pope-americas-193844474.html
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
The same people who hated Benedict XVI and John Paul II will hate Pope Francis. How dare he believe in 2000 years worth of teachings about the sanctity of life and marriage being between a man and a woman when it's all so unfashionable?
Why did liberal atheist's care so much what the Pope thinks. No one is holding a gun to your head to force you to be a Catholic. Why do so many liberals feel threatened by any source of power outside of government?
Just because something is 2000 years old doesn't make it right. Should we bring back old testament style animal sacrifices as well?
I have no problem with catholics being anti-gay and excluding gays from their church - if god is not the compassionate and forgiving god that they are always talking about it, well, it's their god and they can believe what they want.
But where I do have a problem is when the members of the church try to deprive the rights of homosexuals outside of church.
Does Slashdot really need to carry this story? It has nothing to do with science, tech, gaming, or anything relevant.
It has everything to do with homophobic, misogynistic, pedophilic, and racist organization which puts on airs of setting out to do good but in reality protects child diddlers and extorting money from gullible followers while ignoring the bible which it purports to follow, nothing to do with science or tech. Why again is this on slashdot?
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Actually I hate the new pope because I love the bible and believe every word of it. You see the same part of the bible that says homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus) also says:
Leviticus 21:20-23 "or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles...because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary"
Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
This new pope wears glasses and is clean shaven, therefore according to the word of god he is just as much an abomination as any gay and he is desecrating the sanctuary of the lord. Stone him to death plz.
I'm thinking it might just start with not thinking that you are the single official conduit for the transmission of Gods word to earth.
Why rounds of voting? Surely all these men are close enough to god to know his will and reach consensus on the first try.
Nullius in verba
And the current President of the United States use to be a community Organizer and teach Constitutional law. These days his administration uses drones to bomb communities and seems to look the other way when Constitutional rights are stripped from US citizens.
I guess people can change, or they play a great act.
In the new Pope's world, being truly humble would be following the examples of Christ without the power of being a Cardinal. Perhaps it may be better to say the Pop was less egotistical then other Cardinals. Mother Teresa was humble, Pope Francis I is a powerful man who's done good deeds.
Life is a great ride, the vehicle doesn't matter
He might make statements that are held to be authoritative by 1.2billion people?
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As in: Bigots, it's time to do your thing. This is your cue.
Sociologically, they operate in similar ways as well. I say this as both a Star * fan and a religious fellow (though not a Catholic). In both groups, identity is tied to adherence ("Are you a Buddhist too?" is not far from "Are you a Trekkie too?"), consumption patterns reflect attachment (one has X-Wing models, the other crucifixes), intense debates occur over canon (the Gnostic gospels and the SW prequels have much in common, except one has better acting), and both groups hold in high regard those who have specialized knowledge about the object of their interest.
"As a humble human, it is not my place to pass judgement on others' behaviors"
"Thou shalt not murder" is passing judgement on other people's behavior. You're not against that ... are you? Or is your selective argument not as broad as you'd like it to be.
My point is, everyone judges people on their behavior, we're just arguing on where to draw the line ;)
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Theologians can persuade themselves of anything. Anyone who can worship a trinity and insists that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything -- just give him time to rationalize it.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Catholics have just as much right to vote for candidates and policies that they believe to be in the best interest of the country as anyone else.
Everyone else who advocates for a particular political position is voting based on their beliefs, whether they are derived from religion, philosophy or just plain self interest, are they not?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Your bigotry is showing. I'm not Christian and even I know the Christian answer to this, which is that the old covenant of Leviticus was replaced by a new covenant from Jesus. What is especially ironic is that the Catholic Church does not have anything against homosexuals per se, so long as they are celibate. Which, by the way, is why there are so many homosexual priests, since priests must also be celibate.
-- Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong. - Dire Straits
Here in Germany the Catholic and Protestant Churches run many hospitals, kindergartens and other welfare services which are funded not by the churches but entirely by the public, yet they impose rules on their employees based on their respective faith, ie. people have lost their jobs for getting a divorce, remarrying, outing themselves as homosexuals etc. The churches make a shitload of money through this system, and because they can publicly claim that they run soandso many percent of welfare services they get to influence public policy and politics. This all works so well because as religious organisations the churches get preferred treatment with regard to taxation, exemption from labour regulations and union rates etc. so they can undercut the private-sector competition. And since they are so good at it there are areas where the churches have a quasi-monopoly in welfare services, leaving workers dependent on them. And as long as the Conservatives are in office this will not change, since the churches offer them, well, let us call it PR support in exchange for keeping their special status intact.
So many people in social industries essentially are forced to live by religious rules without actually being a member of those religions just to be able to get a job. And we all get to pay for it.
Rudolf Hess edited Mein Kampf. He was the very first grammar nazi.
Unless you bitched about the articles on which actors were coming back in the new Star Wars, or the random bloviations of some rich guy or pundit at SXSW... you really don't have much of a leg to stand on. Roman Catholics represent about a sixth of the worlds population, and one of the largest (if not the largest) organized religions in the world. The selection of a new Pope is indeed something that matters.
They didn't they got two colossal teacher's unions to devote efforts to moving them between schools so they could continue to molest children. If you examine the incidence of child sexual abuse between the Catholic Church in the United States and the public schools in the United States at the time the sexual abuse in the Catholic Church was at its highest the incidents were higher on a per child basis in the public schools involving teachers than in the Catholic Church.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
they still think that I shouldn't have a blood transfusion after I crash my motorcycle and lose a couple pints
Not consuming blood is in the Bible (Acts 15:29), and theoretically, it applies to all Christians. In practice, there's nothing wrong with having an expander transfusion to keep your blood volume up until your bone marrow has spit out more red blood cells. In fact, it's safer that way because there's no need for an antigen type match and no chance of catching an STD or other blood-borne infection.
In trinity, it is one person, therefore monotheistic. That one person is just represented by multiple entities. They are not in conflict. In Java, I can do the following and create one entity with 3 references. There is still just a singleton:
Object god = SingletonClass.getInstance();
Object jesus = god;
Object holySpirit = god;
If the old covenant was replaced by Jesus, why does the Catholic Church care if they are celibate or not?
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Billions of McDonald's burgers have been sold. What does that tell you?
Come back with something substantive and maybe we'll talk like adults.
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In real life, assume you've been given the reigns of a company that issues new shares every quarter, produces nothing but annual letters, and pays your every expenses and allows you to live in luxury, with no Board of Directors to oversee your actions. Would you really tell your shareholders "y'know, that Board of Directors doesn't exist and we're selling you pipe dreams?"
If you have ever had the pleasure of debating with a Jesuit, you'll know what I'm talking about. I'm not being sarcastic or ironic in the least. If the Church is the Federation, the Jesuits are the Vulcans. Jesuit scholars have made many contributions to our collective store of knowlege, especially in math, astronomy, and philosophy.. These are the guys that invented propaganda, and are trained in logic, analysis, and debate in support of their faith. Speaking of their faith, it is the most rarefied, intellectualized faith on the planet. I'm looking forward to a vigorous debate between secularism and theism over the next several decades, and it's good to know that the opposition is putting their best foot forward.
Yes, you are condemning others. Yes, I am condemning you for that. I operate from a moral framework with more than a single axis of "condemnation=bad, anticondemnation=good," rather considering the whole network of impacts from who and/or what is being condemned (btw, I am a Christian).
I would not support you in repealing all government granted benefits of marriage, because that would be "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" --- I think there are great societal benefits to government-recognized marriage, but none that specifically require a male+female couple. Likewise, I do not think it would have been a good idea to fix Jim Crow era discriminatory voting laws by revoking everyone's right to vote.
Being humble, but also believing that your views on how other people should live their lives are so righteous that others shouldn't even be able to decide for themselves, are mutually exclusive.
So, nobody who supports, say, laws against murder can ever possibly be humble?
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
From the Catholic Encyclopaedia, A wordy, if not insightful resource for understanding many Catholic Positions. Shows us that to the Catholic teaching, ALL sexual conduct outside of marriage is immoral. The church also teaches that those who are homosexual should be encouraged to live chaste lives.
http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df86ho.htm
The Church, obedient to the Lord who founded her and gave to her the sacramental life, celebrates the divine plan of the loving and live-giving union of men and women in the sacrament of marriage. It is only in the marital relationship that the use of the sexual faculty can be morally good. A person engaging in homosexual behaviour therefore acts immorally.
It is, in effect, none other than the teaching of Paul the Apostle to the Galatians when he says that the Spirit produces in the lives of the faithful "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, trustfulness, gentleness and self-control" (5:22) and further (5:24), "You cannot belong to Christ unless you crucify all self-indulgent passions and desires."
....The characteristic concern and good will exhibited by many clergy and religious in their pastoral care for homosexual persons is admirable, and, we hope, will not diminish. Such devoted ministers should have the confidence that they are faithfully following the will of the Lord by encouraging the homosexual person to lead a chaste life and by affirming that person's God-given dignity and worth....
...From this multi-faceted approach there are numerous advantages to be gained, not the least of which is the realization that a homosexual person, as every human being, deeply needs to be nourished at many different levels simultaneously
...The human person, made in the image and likeness of God, can hardly be adequately described by a reductionist reference to his or her sexual orientation. Every one living on the face of the earth has personal problems and difficulties, but challenges to growth, strengths, talents and gifts as well. Today, the Church provides a badly needed context for the care of the human person when she refuses to consider the person as a "heterosexual" or a "homosexual" and insists that every person has a fundamental Identity: the creature of God, and by grace, his child and heir to eternal life
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I would totally be for ending marriage benifits and returning it to a religious institution. But it will never happen.
Also, you have to consider the problem of shared resources. You cant get rid of civil unions totally because it would create massive issues from child custody and finances all the way down to spousal immunity. So you could in theory call all marriages civil unions and save the word marriage for non civil ceremonies.
But it won't change anything.
As for raising children, there is no scientific evidence of children raised by gay couple being better or worse off. I suppose it is possible that some situation could arise, but I am willing to bet a very large amount of money that anything that arose would fall into the normal deviation of child rearing. I am certainly not going to go on your gut instinct.
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Really Slashdot? I get the whole Libertarian "take away marriage benefits from everyone" argument, but did you have to mod up the guy that just reduced gay relationships to the "selfish desires of people in a relationship that is destined to be sterile"?
I know this place has been going downhill for a while, but I didn't think we'd stooped THAT low. How about we make our arguments without implying that LGBT people should just suck it up, stop being "selfish" and be heteronormative for the sake of the children?
Where does that 1.2 Billion figure come from? My neighbour claims to be Catholic. She doesn't go to church or even believe in the God, she just says she is because her parents were and she was baptised as a baby. How many other people in the world fall under this category? If we classified religious people as" willing to die for their cause" rather than "I think it sounds good to say I am" then I think the number would be closer to 1.2 thousand. And lets face it, if you really believed in a big man in the sky who made everything, and can make you live forever you would happily die for it, because ultimately you actually believe you're not going to die your actually going somewhere better. I call poppycock on this so called "belief" (unless you're a radical muslim, those dudes actually truly do believe that shit).
I wasn't sure if I should even respond to such obvious flamebait, but some of what you say is unfortunately believed by quite a few people (even gay rights supporters) so it is still worth debunking.
If you're saying that Marriage is purely secular, you're not being intellectually honest.
Marriage is a secular institution. First off it is a ceremony that is recognized by almost every culture in history, including athiest societies such as the former USSR. Christmas and barmitzvahs are religious in nature, but marriages certainly are not. A marriage is a legal union that society recognizes as forming a single household from what was once two independent individuals. Marriages are useful for defining laws and traditions that govern how these unions are handled. Things like property rights can turn into difficult matters so it is important to have concrete laws to settle disputes (just look how messy most divorces or some inheritance splits can become).
Most religions throughout history have also added non-secular meaning to the institution of marriage, but that is a separate matter. Would you want the government to stop you from getting married if the Koran said that all marriages not recognized by Allah were null and void? That is the same argument used by anyone who says someone cannot be married because their religion is against it.
I'm against homosexual marriage and especially against homosexual adoption. I don't think it is good for kids to be told that they don't need a mommy and a daddy, that mommy and mommy are fine and we don't need a daddy. I think it is harmful on a level that will not manifest itself for a long time, but will eventually. Kids do need both a Mommy and a Daddy, that is optimal.
I agree that having homosexual parents is probably not a 100% optimal situation. The "optimal" situation is probably something like two upper middle class well educated parents who don't divorce and live in one of the best school districts in the country. But should lower middle class people not be allowed to adopt because it is not optimal to have kids in a household with money problems? Should parents who never went to college not be allowed to adopt because they are less likely to provide the same enriching educational environment as two parents with post-graduate degrees?
All studies I have seen conclusively shown that homosexual parents can raise emotionally mature, intelligent, and well rounded adults. I am pretty sure studies show that they do much better than average even. Any opinion that homosexual parents cannot to an adequate job is either very ignorant or very bigoted.
If the point of homosexual marriage is for "love" then I don't have a problem with it. Get married. However if you want additional "benefits" from government, you're going to have to be much clearer that it is ONLY about these things that you care about, and that it isn't about "love" at all.
Why is it mutually exclusive? This is such an incoherent rambling I am not even sure how to respond. I love my neices and nephews, but if my brother requests a legal document that states I take care of his children if he dies that does not mean I love them less because I asked the government to make it legal. I feel silly even writing something like that, but I think you may actually believe the comments you are making so it is worth pointing out how erroneous these opinions are.
AND if you extend those "rights" to gay people, then you must also allow for other non-traditional marriages like polygamy, polyandry and incestuous marriages as well. If not, then you're just as discriminatory as you claim people like me are.
Society is overwhelming against non-traditional marriages in cases of polygamy and incenteous marriages not because they are just untraditional. It is because of the female oppression that accompanies societies that practice the former, and the medical problems inherent in the latter.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Marriage is a religious institution
No...no it isn't - marriage predates that. Religious organisations have _adopted_ marriage, much as they have adopted many other ceremonies that were nothing to do with the organisation in question; but even so, you can have a nonreligious wedding and many (possibly most?) people do these days. Admittedly (in the UK at least) there are lots of legal restrictions on civil ceremonies that were clearly imposed in an attempt to keep the church relevant, but if you want a totally non-religious wedding you can do just that.
The only reason gay people want marriage, is not for love (they can have that!) , but for "benefits" from the state.
I'm sure _some_ want it for that reason (and hell, why shouldn't they - if a hetrosexual couple is entitled to various state benefits then WTF shouldn't a gay couple be entitiled to the same?), but the idea that that's the general reason why people want to marry is just BS. Marriage isn't love, its a _declaration_ of love, which is completely different and has nothing to do with any state benefits.
http://blog.nexusuk.org
The first few posts contain no references to paedophile priests.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Right now the church needs deep reforms, but they chose a stubbornly conservative Pope. It is time for the church to get out of the Middle Ages and liberalize its stance on abortion and gay marriage and it is way past due to drop the celibacy requirement for clergy