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Bitcoin Currency Surpasses 20 National Currencies In Total Value

Velcroman1 writes "More than $1 billion worth of bitcoins now circulate on the web – an amount that exceeds the value of the entire currency stock of small countries like Liberia, Bhutan, and 18 other countries. Bitcoin is in high demand right now — each bitcoin currently sells for more than $90 U.S. — which bitcoin insiders say is because of world events that have shaken confidence in government-issued currencies. 'Because of what's going on in Cyprus and Europe, people are trying to pull their money out of banks there,' said Tony Gallippi, the CEO BitPay.com, which enables businesses to easily accept bitcoins as payment. 'So they buy gold, they put it under the mattress, or they buy bitcoin,' Gallippi said."

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  1. SELL!!! by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 4, Funny

    time to cash in

    1. Re:SELL!!! by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much, or at least potentially. Figuring out when to profit on irrational fear is a good key for success ^_^

    2. Re:SELL!!! by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

      1:11 PM - We own the planet!
      3:45 PM - Oh, crashed again...

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    3. Re:SELL!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been investing myself for about 25 years and I thought exactly the same thing when I saw this. There is clearly a bubble in the value of BitCoin right now and there is really nothing backing that value. In the past when the US dollar was "young" it was backed by gold. That ended long ago, but the value of the dollar on it's own had been long established before that change. Other currencies have similar histories. That's the the case here. Not only would I sell if I had anything in BitCoin now and move into either US dollars (being a US investor) or metals (silver, gold, platinum being the primary three), but if I had a few grand to gamble with I'd actually short BitCoin at these rates and make some cash as the value starts to slide - be that a short term correction or more likely a collapse of BitCoin altogether.

    4. Re:SELL!!! by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Funny

      yo dawg, I heard you like bitcoin, so I put some currency in your currency so you can spend while you spend.

    5. Re:SELL!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I bought a load of bitcoins last April when they were 5 GBP... with a view to buying stuff off SilkRoad.

      Which I did... but I still had about half of them left. I just held onto them to watch the price (what the hell I thought.. let's see what happens).

      A few days ago I worked out that selling them would get me the equivalent of a month's wage. I could carry on watching and hoping it doesn't crash... or sell them and get a month's wage ON TOP of the drugs I bought (and enjoyed).

      Fuck it.. I cashed out.

    6. Re:SELL!!! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not a bad idea by any stretch, if you already have them. Personally, I still have no faith in the bitcoin. Though to be honest, when I first started looking at bitcoins last october, they were $11 each, and I thought they were overvalued then. Now (as I write this) they are $86.71 a peice. Given that yesterday afternoon they were $89 something each, the price does seem a bit volatile, however it has made many similar fluctuations along the way up, so that doesn't mean it has peaked. If I had bought say a thousand worth and then sold them today, that is upwards of $8,000 of income.

      Where it will head from here is anybody's guess. I don't believe I am any good at currency speculation by any stretch, but I haven't seen any indication that they have topped out. Still, I wouldn't buy any myself, nor would I suggest anybody else do that either.

      I actually mined some bitcoins to pay for VPN and seedbox services (I make more than enough money in bitcoins per month to pay for these) using GPU power I already have (one 5750 and one 7850) at a combined 600MH/s, which at the current exchange rate yields about $100 USD per month. Thinking of using my spare bitcoins to buy an entry level asic, which will yield ten times that amount at about one tenth of the energy consumption.

      If the bitcoin does end up collapsing, I haven't really lost anything other than idle GPU time. Where I live (Arizona) electricity is cheap, and based on my current metrics (which I am able to monitor in 5 second intervals btw) I have probably thus far spent $5 on mining bitcoins over the four month span that I first started mining them. A general rule of thumb in investing is that you should never invest so much that if you lost it all, you wouldn't be able to afford to keep your house. I don't think I'll miss $5. Best of all, unless I convert it into real dollars, it'll never be taxed. Meanwhile, as time passes there are more and more goods/services that I can buy with bitcoins.

      If everybody does exactly what I'm doing, the value of bitcoins will only increase because more people will have a stake in them.

      And before any eco activists complain about my carbon footprint: My area is nuclear powered. Nuclear has an almost non-existent carbon footprint and is dirt cheap. (I'm not one to concern myself with carbon in any case - call me an anti-social insensitive clod or whatever incorrect label you want, but I just don't see the point worrying about it - see my recent comment history for an explanation.) You can thank the government if your area isn't nuclear powered.

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    7. Re:SELL!!! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sounds a bit like Wall Street.

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    8. Re:SELL!!! by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are incorrect on your tax idea there buddy. That is income and you should be reporting it. You might get away with not reporting a small amount, but if it is ever worth anything you will have the IRS after you.

    9. Re:SELL!!! by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

      What citation do you want?
      Do you not think that income is taxable?

      If I pay you to roof my house in Euros that does not mean you don't have to pay taxes.

    10. Re:SELL!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can you imagine $1m for a Bitcoin? I could hold your family at gunpoint for one coin, and at worst get a few months in prison. Or just pay some meth head a couple hundred bucks to do it.
      Meanwhile, you can't prove I stole anything of real value from you - just a file from your computer. You can't insure it like a piece of property, you can't "cancel" it like you could a check, and nobody gives a crap where the BTC ends up because it doesn't count as real currency.
      So while it's fun to imagine, the moment BTC becomes worth more than harvesting someone's credit cards via botnet, they're coming for your virtual wallet and nobody will care, not the banks, not the government, and not the retailers, because they all operate on regulated currencies and the protections they afford.

    11. Re:SELL!!! by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly like Wall Street. It's a speculative market and at the end of the day all speculative markets are just high stakes casinos.

      Still, it will help Bitcoin itself. The currently booming Bitcoin world combined with Bitpay offering merchants a payment option with only 0.99% interest, no other fees, no credit or volume requirements, and no charge backs probably means a lot more merchants jumping to accept it.

    12. Re:SELL!!! by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Informative

      This has already been covered:

      Bitcoin Virtual Cash Get Money-Laundering Rule

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    13. Re:SELL!!! by shaitand · · Score: 3, Informative

      A lot of this does seem like it could be a bubble but it also seems likely Bitcoin will crack $100 and that is a nice place to establish a new market bottom with the Bit cent then becoming equiv to a dollar. Bitcoin's appropriate value certainly isn't nothing. It was quite stable in the $8-12 range before the reward for mining halved. At the same time the difficulty (and therefore cost) of mining has skyrocketed as ASIC miners have come online. So we are looking at a price point between $30-40 dollars as a bottom just on the merits of supply reduction vs demand that existed before this climb.

      The good thing for Bitcoin itself is that Bitpay is offering merchants who take Bitcoin a much much less expensive payment option 0.99% with no other fees, credit requirements, or charge backs and they can have payments instantly convert to fiat to work like a credit card or can keep it in Bitcoin. They are signing thousands of merchants a month. So even if this is a speculation bubble, it is stimulating actual growth in the Bitcoin economy and therefore increased demand.

      The increased demand combined with decreased supply would mean that the price should be somewhere beyond that $30-40 and the longer this run goes the higher that number is. Plus, this isn't a pure buying run. Every few days there is a dip of $10-20 dollars that indicates small market corrections throughout the rise.

      Just my take on the whole thing. YMMV :)

    14. Re:SELL!!! by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except Wall Street is at least nominally speculating based on equity, whereas Bitcoins have less inherent value than a bag of tulip bulbs.

    15. Re:SELL!!! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well let me know when the IRS starts auditing wow players, many of whom have a lot more money worth of wow gold than I have in my bank account, never mind bitcoins.

      Effectively bitcoin is the same thing as wow gold at the moment.

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    16. Re:SELL!!! by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bitcoins have less inherent value than a bag of tulip bulbs.

      Try sending payments across the globe in 10 minutes using tulip bulbs.

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    17. Re:SELL!!! by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No that's the problem with gambling. And if you won it would bolster your confidence and you'd bet it all again. Speculative markets are nothing but high stakes gambling.

    18. Re:SELL!!! by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      Try paying for anything in Bitcoins without electricity.

      As opposed to Wall Street stock exchange computers, which run on hellfire and are cooled by the blood of the innocent.

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  2. Is it really circulating? by dclozier · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or like has been stated before it's mostly being hoarded. (like when collecting anything, mostly of value to the collector and other collectors but not anyone else)

    1. Re:Is it really circulating? by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      claiming it is being widely used for every day living. I have yet to see anything to back up either extreme.

      Let me know when I can pay my rent in bitcoins, pay my fuel bill in bitcoins, or buy groceries in bitcoins.

      For now it is a geek-only way to exchange goods and services.

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  3. How to take a short position in Bitcoin? by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, how do you "short sell" Bitcoin? I'd like to make a few bucks from this ridiculous bubble when it pops.

    1. Re:How to take a short position in Bitcoin? by wed128 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Borrow some bitcoin, sell it now, wait for the inevitable, buy it back when the bubble pops, return to owner.

    2. Re:How to take a short position in Bitcoin? by tempestdata · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes of course. China is the one that is going to want its trillions in dollar denominated us debt holdings to be worth peanuts.

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    3. Re:How to take a short position in Bitcoin? by pitchpipe · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I would advise against taking a short position in Bitcoins. What amazes me when watching a bubble is just how high it will go: it always goes much higher than anyone thinks it will go. Then, when the bubble pops, it goes much lower than anyone thought it could go.

      Bubbles are unpredictable to say the least.

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  4. Re:Buy Now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps Bitcoins can be packaged into securities, given a AAA rating, and sold to retirement funds. Win-win!

  5. Re:That's completely arbitrary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It means that ALL bitcoins are collectively worth more than ALL currency of the 20 countries listed. They're not comparing individual currency units.

  6. They probably surpassed ... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    They probably surpassed North Korea with their first nickel.

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  7. Theoretical 1 billion not actual by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article should say that more than 1 billion dollars in bitcoins theoretically exists on the web. Given the horrific problems that a few bitcoin exchanges have had in the recent past, I think some skepticism is warranted. My prediction is that sometime in the upcoming years some kind of attack nobody foresaw will happen on bitcoins and the attackers will get wealthy and the bitcoin holders will be left holding dust or bitcoins will simply be another bubble that collapses. I don't see a bright future for bitcoins.

  8. You're not kidding by Concern · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have some experience with both cryptography and decentralized systems of this kind. Which doesn't make me an expert. But I know enough to ask questions. I have had grave concerns about the validity of their design since I first read about it on slashdot some years back. It seemed to me the case had not been made that bitcoin was not vulnerable to rapid destruction of value, due to attacks on fundamental flaws in its design.

    The thing that really surprised me was that people decided to try to use it anyway. But I guess our desires often cloud our judgment. As much as I would love a decentralized digital currency, I do not believe it yet exists. I wouldn't invest 90 cents in bitcoin.

    Many currencies can appear to be stable until they're not.

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  9. Re:That's completely arbitrary by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Most things are arbitrary. The value of gold, for instance. Crazy people tend to think there is some innate value, that the price is going to be always be high, but for how many cans of food will you trade it for if the end actually does become nigh? OTOH at leas gold, for some, is a physical object they possess.

    Such things always remind me of the exploration of the Americas, or at the simplified myth. In this story the English brought back potatoes and the spanish brought back gold. The question is who brought back wealth, and who brought back merely riches.

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  10. Re:Bitcoin could reach 1 million per coin in value by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So could tulip bulbs, you better go get some quick.

  11. US debt by andersh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you seen the actual numbers? Who owns the US national debt?

    - China 8%

    US gov't and pension funds 46,1%:

    - The Federal reserve 11,3%
    - Social Security fund 19%
    - US households 6,6%
    - State & local gov't 3,5%
    - State, local pensions funds 2,2%
    - Private pension funds 3,5%

    http://www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-us-debt-2011-7?op=1

    1. Re:US debt by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is why I take the noble stand and refuse to buy cheap shoddy crap made in US households.

  12. So you buy every bubble then? by Concern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enron's stock went up too. You might want to think about the fundamentals of what you're buying.

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  13. Not only that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    But there seems to be this misunderstanding that China can just "call in" the loans. They can't. US securities are sold for fixed periods of time. They pay off on a given date, period. There is no ability to call them due early.

    So all someone can do who wishes to cash out early is to sell them on the open market, and of course if you dump a ton of them the price will crash meaning you'll take a sizable loss on your investment.

    People really need to go and look at how public debt in the US works before they chatter about it. Too many think it is the US going to China The Loan Shark and begging for money on any terms. Quite the opposite, it is China buying US securities (denominated in US dollars, held and tracked in the US exchange) when they are auctioned off.

  14. Re:It can't pop. by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

    If confidence goes, so does the value.

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  15. Re:It can't pop. by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gee elucido; after seeing you post how bitcoins will increase 10x by 2014 in three posts now I can see that you selflessly want us all to partake in this great opportunity. I think I'll go and get some now!

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  16. Re:It will never be that cheap again by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quote me. A year from now it will be approaching $1000 a coin. It will never be $17 a coin again.

    You can keep on saying that, it doesn't make it so.

    Magicking 'money' out of thin air *always* leads to a crash. No exceptions. Just wait and see.

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  17. Re:It will never be that cheap again by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no reason to expect it to ever get that low again. The market is bigger now and there are sites which accept bitcoins which didn't back then.

    Reminds me of what people told me about investing in Enron.

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  18. Re:quit comparing by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Informative

    We all know inflation on the dollar is crazy and trending toward never getting better.

    We don't "all know" that, because it's not true. Inflation is at about 2% and has been basically unchanged since 1984 or so. Any ideas to the contrary are primarily in the minds of those who have a financial interest in convincing people holding dollars to buy some other kind of asset e.g. Glenn Beck and his gold interests.

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