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Explosions at the Boston Marathon
Reports are coming in that the headquarters at the Boston Marathon have been locked down after two explosions were reported near the finish line. According to reports "dozens of people have been seriously injured." CNN has live coverage. Google has a Person Finder up for Boston.
Update: The Boston Police Dept. says 2 people have died and 23 are injured. News conference scheduled for 4:30 ET.
Update: The Boston Police Dept. says 2 people have died and 23 are injured. News conference scheduled for 4:30 ET.
Saw a clip of the two explosions. First one occurs right at the finish line and then the second one within 20 seconds 2 blocks away. It appears clear that this was a coordinated attack.
Looks like bostonglobe.com is down, here's a live CBS feed that's still working http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/explosions-at-boston-marathon-finish-line/
At least the war on the environment is going well
Well, some people go to foreign countries and shoot people from flying drones, others place bombs. Everyone thinks they are the good guys.
I just felt a tremor in the force, like the Bill of Rights being stripped from hundreds of millions of Americans...
Who shall we blame this time? Dem dirty communist hippi anarchs? or ye good olde muslims?
Fortunately, every time some whackaloon goes crazy and kills people some fool makes the mistake of announcing the political message of the attack before it comes out that the dude was just a whackaloon.
That being said -- if this isn't an accident -- there are so many ways to go with this one. First, it's April 15 - which is the TEA party day of action. (got to listen to a "what will you do to defend your country" speech at lunch today). Second, the last mile of the Boston Marathon was dedicated to the victims of Newtown -- so there's that lead in. Third, various politicians et al attend the race -- so there's the assassination angle.
Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
All the while fucking their sisters, eating mayonnaise sandwiches.
Don't hate the mayonnaise. The key to a real quality mayonnaise sandwich is to use lots and lots of pepper.
If we wanted to read about ALL news, we would go to news.google.com or something.
Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this. I'd agree that it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth, disk space, etc. for /. to bother with it. Unless, of course, it turns out eventually that there's an interesting tech component to the story. It's likely that anyone interested in such "public interest" stories has a window open to one or more of the general news sources. So /. shouldn't bother.
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time, everyone will make vicious pronouncements, and they won't forget about it. In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
(But this is just based on history. I could be wrong, so stay tuned. ;-)
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots'_Day
For those that are not from the area.
We have reports of people with missing limbs. happened near the Boston Public Library. Scary shit.
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be just a misguided man who is angry with america, and we should tolerate it.
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>> Gonna be interesting to see who they nail for this.
Same as every other time this happens: Lady Liberty.
Mmmm...
I wonder what other parts of the constitution they will rip up to protect us from explosions?
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Posint anonymously to save what little reputation I have....
What does this have to do with news for nerds?.
Bombs are created by terrorists, terrorism is funded by internet piracy, internet piracy is big news here on /.
Isn't it sad that the first thought I have after, "those poor people, I hope they're OK!", is, " Oh, great, *now* what civil rights is the US government going to shit all over?"
Ban only assault bombs
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time, everyone will make vicious pronouncements, and they won't forget about it. In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
(But this is just based on history. I could be wrong, so stay tuned. ;-)
I dunno, I'm of the inclination that the amount of media attention will be directly proportional to how many rights will be compromised with the resulting legislation. Which works for both the "terrist" excuse (yay more warrant-less ass ramming) and home grown nutters (the public can't buy certain chemicals, no matter how useful they are in ways not related to explosives).
More Twoson than Cupertino
What is this wait and see you're talking about? Let's bomb some country and then ask the questions! It worked last time didn't ti?
No, it's called "not jumping to conclusions"
We ONLY know two facts: there were two explosions and people injured - maybe explosions.
For all we know, some truck with tanks of CO2 for soda machines lost its strap and a couple tanks fell off and exploded when they hit the ground.
I mean really, are you that much of a scare whore that you want to put people into panic?!
And let's say - just say - it's a fucking terrorist attack - douzens of people were hurt. That sucks but ... big fucking deal! It's not like it's 3,000 jumping there deaths!
Cooler heads Prevail!
Repeat that 10,000 times.
Repeat 100 billion times - the media ALL THE MEDIA - are a bunch of cock sucking whores and will make a flea bite out to be a terrorist attack.
If anyone remembers 9/11, most US media websites could not handle Internet traffic. slashdot was able to scale traffic and keep information flowing in a time
of horror and chaos. this is before the day of social media and citizen journalism.
maybe, if you were in Boston now or had friends or loved ones who might have been near the finish line on Boylston Street at the time of the explosionsyou'd be concerned when you could not reach the local newspaper website. maybe then, you would not ask what this has to do with news for nerds.
>> What does that have to do with this?
Here's a video of the actual explosion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsu-yoIzq8.
Doesn't look good..
What does this have to do with news for nerds?
Why nothing at all that's what.
But you have to be a fucking idiot to have read /. and never noticed that it's more than news for nerds. And it's right in the slogan: "news for nerds, stuff that matters".
Fourth - North Korea has stated that something will happen on April 15th.
Though I don't think its them.
> water board the bastards all day if we have to
Only problem is, you already did that. What's the civilian body count in the "war on terror" now? Including the Afghan and Iraq invasions, and continuing drone attacks all over the Middle East. Half a million? One million? And then you're surprised there are a few people who are looking to retaliate?
Violence only produces one result: more violence.
Don't speak too soon, this could be a right-wing militia group for all we know.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
there were no drones in the 80's and 90's and the same people went from hijacking planes and cruise liners to blowing up sky scrapers in NYC and US Navy destroyers
I usually disagree with the stooges who ask why stuff of legal or societal interest is on slashdot, but why is this on slashdot?
News for nerds, stuff that matters.
Good chance that this is stuff that matters.
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Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
Why stop at gun legislation, I would like a full accounting of all laws that are completely unrelated to an explosion (whether intentional or not), and how those laws could have prevented this.
Hardly flamebait people. All you got to do is look at all the coverage of sandy hook and the politicians love affair with it, and then take a look at bengazi, which is never spoken about at all.
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Just to follow up:
If it's a terrorist attack, then it's stuff that matters.
If it's an exploding gas line then it's new for nerds.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The timing is precisely when the world would be watching, and the location is precise as well at the finish line.
Congratulations, you have been awarded the Wolf Blitzer award for the most reprehensible evidence-free speculation about the causes of a mass killing.
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights.
There, fixed that for ya. A common mistake to think our current Government in any way wants to serve us, defend our rights, and generally do the right thing. You're not the first to make that mistake.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Not a baby nuke, that wouldn't have left so many people alive in the area, but a dirty bomb, maybe. It's going to happen one day and people need to be ready.
Would North Korea do such a thing? Who knows if they would or not. Who can tell what a madman is going to do. But, someone will and they should add a radiation protocol to the response of these events.
Even North Korea isn't that crazy. It was probably domestic terrorists. North Korea would immediately be nuked into oblivion and they don't want that. Iran wouldn't do that either for similar reasons.
People getting hurt in bomb explosions in USA are for everyone. Including a-hole nerds. If you are one this is for you.
For what it's worth, bombings are happening every day elsewhere in the world. But in the US, granted, it's an uncommon sight. Quite sad. (That it happened, not that it's uncommon!)
Ezekiel 23:20
>Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
Je me souviens.
Third, various politicians et al attend the race -- so there's the assassination angle.
The other assassination angle: They only barely missed Joey of New Kids on the Block.
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In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
You seem to be implying that there are things we should be doing that would prevent future such acts. So what should we be doing? I can understand hardening specific point targets like critical infrastructure, and general intelligence gathering. But we are already doing those things. In fact, many people feel that we are already way past the point of diminishing returns. What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
"We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22160978
>Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
Only if handled better than the Big Dig
More Twoson than Cupertino
"You're a fucking cunt. These were innocent people, at a wedding".
see how it works now ? sit down fatty and learn something
Not to mention that if someone intended to fire the "First Shot", Boston is an iconic choice.
If there is a group of people responsible for this, I dislike them.
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
OT prediction:
My OT predictions:
1. Fox News is probably already in the process of finding a way to blame Barack Obama.
2. MSNBC is probably already in the process of finding a way to blame Republicans.
3. No one in power will blame the organization that actually was directly responsible for preventing this and similar attacks, the FBI's anti-terrorism unit.
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Since, at the moment, we do not even know what 'this' was in any real detail, hard to say what if anything could have been done.
If it was an exploding gas line, police probably wouldn't have already found several more unexploded bombs.
You are welcome on my lawn.
are you seriously comparing targeting civilians to military drone attacks?
They can be the same. It's the entire crux of the argument against drone strikes, in fact, and is the reason why folks in other countries (our "allies," no less) are so up in arms about it.
Guess it's too soon to make points that, if someone wants to kill other people, they can do it no matter what is legal or illegal?
"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
The world has changed in the last 12 years, Slashdot is now a little fish in a much bigger pond. In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." -Rahm Emanuel
Former aid to President Obama and current mayor of Chicago which is undergoing major budgetary and violent crime crisises as we speak.
Drones killing civilians is an accident; people thought there was a military target there. Sometimes mistakes happen, and innocent people die, but the intent is to target military forces and largely that is what happens.
Civilians being killed as in Boston - there is no possibility of it being a military target, the target is as explicitly non-military as you can get.
Can you truly not discern any kind of difference?
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Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this.. . . So /. shouldn't bother.
I think something slipped past you. Strictly speaking, Slashdot isn't a news reporting site, it is a news aggregator and discussion site (although that generally works better if the news isn't stale as in weeks or years old). That is the point of the forums with each story, and posting - to discuss the news. Or are your posts completely random? (Topic? I don't need no stinking topic! I want to discuss chocolate sundaes! (That should really be hot grits.))
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time...
Strike two. Oklahoma City is constantly dragged out in discussions and policy debates, especially to denegrate the political right and Christians despite the fact that McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent. On the other hand, the Obama administration has been actively suppressing use of phrases by the government such as "War on Terror" and Jihadi.
By the way - it would be great if you would just spell foreigner as foreigner. That sort of feigned misspelling makes for tedious commentary.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
All the runners should have been carrying their own bombs, that would have stopped it!
What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
Like, you know, stop pissing people off for a change.
Explosives have been legal ever since they were made. They're just heavily regulated. Using explosives in the way they were used today is illegal though. That doesn't stop the tragedy (nothing can), but it does allow a legal framework for prosecution, and in theory, the threat of prosecution will stop some people from blowing other people up.
Guess it's too soon to make points that, if someone wants to kill other people, they can do it no matter what is legal or illegal?
Only an idiot or a legislator would think otherwise. But I repeat myself, to quote Mark Twain.
Realistically - not that being realistic has anything to do with politics or ide(ot)ology - it would be useful to be able to use the law to limit the amount of damage that people can do without making it impossible to function as a creative, productive, and free society. An all-or-nothing approach is worse than useless, regardless of which pole you adhere to. We'll never be 100% safe, regardless.
Lay off the weed a bit, "ganjadude," it's making you paranoid but doing your analytical skills no favors. Benghazi was "never spoken about at all," except by just about every media pundit and political campaigner for months (whining on every prime-time TV media show about how there was no media coverage). Do you know anyone in this country who didn't hear endless re-hashes of the Benghazi attacks? So far as the Benghazi incident didn't prompt calls for immediate changes in domestic policy like Sandy Hook did, have you considered that might be because Benghazi isn't in the USA so there's fuck all changes to domestic policy that would be relevant to "preventing the next Benghazi"?
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights.
There, fixed that for ya. A common mistake to think our current Government in any way wants to serve us, defend our rights, and generally do the right thing. You're not the first to make that mistake.
This. I'm actually far more afraid of what the government will do in response to stuff like this than actually being a victim of something like this.
Perhaps prompting and arming some stupid schmuck in order to entrap him for terrorism
Or perhaps something worse, like this: "[Operation] Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers — often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed by close physical surveillance; they were freely permitted to bulk transfer the guns to, among others, Mexican drug gangs and other violent criminals — with no agents on hand to swoop in, make arrests, and grab the firearms. The inevitable result of this was that the guns have been used (and will continue to be used) in many crimes, including the murder of Brian Terry, a U.S. border patrol agent. In sum, the Fast & Furious idea of “trace” is that, after violent crimes occur in Mexico, we can trace any guns the Mexican police are lucky enough to seize back to the sales to U.S. straw purchasers who should never have been allowed to transfer them (or even buy them) in the first place. That is not law enforcement; that is abetting a criminal rampage." -- K. Pavlich
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
They apparently found multiple unexploded bombs. This was confirmed to be a bombing.
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Thanks for the advice, I dont really smoke that much anymore
we heard the media talking about it yes, and the media has been covering for the administration on the issue. notice how no one there has been brought in to be spoken to? in fact the admin has gone out of its way to keep them from speaking. meanwhile we get lie after lie concerning sandy hook, for example today ABC FINALLY admitted that no assault rifle was used in the attack (which is not stopping the government from pushing assault rifle bans)
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"Drones killing civilians is an accident; people thought there was a military target there. Sometimes mistakes happen, and innocent people die, but the intent is to target military forces and largely that is what happens."
According to whom, the government that won't officially acknowledge the program exists?
Here are a couple hotlines just announced by Boston Chief of Police in response to today's apparent terrorist attacks in Boston: For help locating people: 1-617-635-4500 For witness tips: 1-800-494-TIPS
It's stuff that matters to me and I'm in Romania. it's important because it is likely to affect much more than a few Bostonians (Bostonese?).
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
This is all a plot by the guvmint to take away are guns!! Stoopid obummer!
It doesn't have to be a plot. A convenient attack by enemy forces will have the same result (liberty being targeted).
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Not in World War II.
Some wish to assert all violence is bad. That's not true. Some - most - violence is bad. But sometimes it is good. It's an example of the complexity of the world. Like chemotherapy drugs. Under normal circumstances, they are a poison. But in certain circumstances, they can be used to lifesaving effect.
This is also doesn't feel like Jihadists...
Indeed. Jihadists would have put the second device in the rubble of the first, made the delay closer to 5 minutes than 20 seconds, and would have made it much larger. This is clearly by someone too concerned with his own safety to do it "right". Thank heavens.
You're describing the u.s funded ira
The AP (Associated Press) is reporting that the Boston Police have turned off the cell phone system and infrastructure to prevent the use of cell phone signals from triggering another bomb. Something else to consider when the only means of communication you have left are cell phones and no land lines.
Iran wants to start a war? That's news to fucking everyone who pays attention. Get a grip.
Running a marathon has got many risks. It requires training, discipline, thinking.
And Kevlar...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Man I love chocolate sundaes. What do you think, nuts or no nuts?
+1 Disagree
This continues to be a very complex investigation and there is a lot of contradictory information out there, but we have some new information this morning (one month ago) from a couple of federal officials and state officials. They say now that there were actually four handguns inside the school, not just two as we were initially told. Four handguns and apparently only handguns that were taken into the school. We knew that Adam Lanza, the man said to be the gunman here, also had an ‘assault-style’ AR-15 -style rifle that he had had taken to the school, it was in the car he drove there, his mother’s car, but we have been told by several officials that he had left that in the car.
This is from NBC who corrected it way back in january (not MSNBC however they still claim that he used the AR) http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/
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I didn't say "directly responsible for causing", I said "directly responsible for preventing". The FBI anti-terrorism unit is there specifically to prevent bombings. They have agents that can and have directly infiltrated and stopped bomb plots (e.g. this one). That's their job description, and that this happens means they screwed up.
Speculation based purely on the public information known right now:
- April 15 is Tax Day, which may be a motivating factor for the date.
- The American Revolution started in Boston, which may be a motivating factor for the location.
- The targeted event and means of attack guarantees a pretty random assortment of victims. It's not after political leaders, police, military, business, or any other particular organization. By contrast, Sept 11, OK City, Ft Hood, etc were all targeting very specific kinds of people and groups.
- No one has claimed responsibility, so it's probably an individual rather than an organization.
- Based on the above: It's probably a lone nut with anarchistic tendencies, thinking that he's starting some kind of revolution but is in fact just a lone nutcase.
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Nah. You have to go back to moment dirty American infidels touched pristine Saudi Arabian Holy Land. That was Osama's gripe from the start.
The only way to prevent all possible violence against all possible targets is by definition a police state.
Dont want that? Accept the possibility that someone could ruin your life at any possible time, and that as a free society we deal with crimes after they happen, not before.
sense of decency
Here, are you serious? People skip right over the deaths to complain about their possible future loss of rights.
I guess that's easy to complain about in a basement away from risk.
First, it's April 15 - which is the TEA party day of action. (got to listen to a "what will you do to defend your country" speech at lunch today).
You mean the Tea Party that had the most peaceful protests in the history of this country? The ones who were assaulted by union thugs, called racists by the media and were called every foul name under the sun by the losers in the Democratic party, including Anderson Cooper calling them "teabaggers" on national TV?
I'm sick of pathetic scum bags like you trying to write the narrative on the tea party. They've done absolutely nothing to you and in fact have worked their asses off to specifically preserve your constitutional rights. So fuck you and your ignorant left wing bullshit. You're going to get exactly the type of government you deserver and go fuck yourself when it happens because my wallet will be closed to your sorry ass and mommy and daddy will be broke and unable to help you.
Go occupy wall street and rape some more people in tents, defecate on some cop cars and attempt to blow up some bridges. Asshole.
From Boston.com.
If the Dakar rally, World Cup, or World Series of Poker were bombed, we'd hear about that too. Bombings of sporting events make news no matter in the world they are...this is not a US story, this is a world event.
Look at how many different nationalities are represented in a top level marathon - the Olympics are the only more diversified sport event I can think ok.
"As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
What happened? Obama "bargained" with the right wing in congress, and half the stimulus went to tax breaks - useless when the problem is unemployment, as no demand = no need to make as much - and the rest of the stimulus was nowhere near enough to jumpstart the economy. So, as Krugman and the other gets-it-right economists predicted, it helped, but fizzled almost immediately.
When money is cheap to borrow, and you need to get people working, you spend, and spend big. And not on contractors in Iraq who pretty much stole the money and walked away (and that was on the credit card to future generations - we never raised taxes to pay for that war). You spend it on poor people who will actually spend their money on the street and generate sufficient electromotive force that will jumpstart the motor of the economy. Instead, the money that is being accumulated is going to the top five percent or so of the population - and it is staying there. So here we are. Dead in the water - plenty of money to borrow at zero interest, and no incentive to spend it on putting people to work. Plenty of incentive to hoard it overseas.
Fix it? Start state banks, like North Dakota's, who will actually lend money to people rather than putting it into derivatives. Make that free-to-get money go to people who need it. Build roads. Replant forests. Build a real seawall for New Orleans. Rebuild Louisiana's wetlands. Build solar power farms in the desert, and build a new transmission grid to move the power to where it is needed. So much to do, but no incentive to give it to workers to do anything when financial instruments make so much more money than lending money to entrepreneurs to open factories.
McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views_and_religious_beliefs
McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military,[84] but voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections.[85] McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[86] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[87] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[88] In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[86] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[89][90] In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic.[91] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[92]
AND... the analysis here is , by and large, logical and rational. Compare that to the wildly inaccurate, scoop-driven 24 hour news cycle. In a pinch, I'd rather hear from people who think for a living.
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They're not legal everywhere -- in many areas, people can't even set off "safe" fireworks on the 4th of July anymore due to the cost of sending the fire department out to handle calls or minor fires, let alone anything more exciting.
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I don't have actual hard numbers, but I'm figuring on it taking at least 2-3 seconds to eject a magazine and slot another one in. If the weapon is capable of firing 10 rounds/second, that ought to slow down the total number of deliverable bullets/second.
Machine guns are already illegal almost everywhere. All these "assault weapons" are semi-auto, much like a cowboy revolver - one trigger pull, one bullet. Full auto would actually be better IMO, because it's usually quite inaccurate and the shooter would just run out of ammo faster, and put most of his fire into the ceiling.
a 20-round magazine is illegal locally but easily obtainable in a day trip to another county or state,
The last time large-cap magazines were banned, existing magazines were grandfathered in and the manufacturers had plenty of notice to produce them before new production was outlawed. Vast warehouses were filled with high-cap mags, and the law ran out before the legal stock did. The law allowed seller to charge more for "pre-ban" magazines, and that was pretty much the only effect. Now that you can 3D-print your own, a law would have even less effect.
Any law should show a dramatic gain in social good for the reduction in freedom any new law entails. These stupid gun laws passed by people who don't understand the technology will reduce our rights, but have just as much effect on the technology as the DMCA-like laws written by people who don't understand the internet do on copying DVDs or whatever.
And anyhow we had a mass stabbing in a school (community college of some sort in California just this month. It's not the weapon: it's the nutjob.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The problem is that technology has advanced to the point where creating those jobs is too expensive, and they employ highly skilled people who have no trouble finding a job anyway.
You no longer need 500 ditch diggers for your canal, it's a few engineers and skilled equipment operators.
A similar thing is happening to labor as happened to capital, it is all concentrating on the top few percent because of the force multipliers of technology and automation.
There are a some possibilities, but they are all politically unpalatable:
- Universal Basic Income (start low and increase until enough people drop out and live on it to make unemployment hit your desired %)
- Legally mandated (and enforced) maximum working hours (Start at 40 and drop until unemployment hits your desired %)
- Massive Bullshit Makework projects
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
Let us assume that the act is due to a jihadi. The solution is clear, strike at the *ideology* of jihadis. At the moment the US is fighting a war on jihadi terrorism but completely ignoring (or, under the Obama Administration, suppressing) the *facts* about Islamic ideology that grows these jihadis. Just wait for the media to start using the words "extremist" which is a complete lie - jihad is a mainstream and central tenet of Islam. Until the US is honest about the problem it is facing it will never win. At the moment the Us is on a course to becoming progressively Islamicised under the guidance of Leftist "political correctness". Until the US tells the truth about Islamic teachings it cannot win the important war - the *ideological* one. Once the US properly understands the teachings of Islam as Muslims believe them (not as Western apologists do) then the Free World has a chance of surviving the coming Caliphate.
in fact have worked their asses off to specifically preserve your constitutional rights.
Let's see -- what has the Tea party accomplished -- blocked Obamacare? nope. Stopped taxes from going up? nope. Stopped the Patriot act? nope.
Oh, I know, they knocked off a bunch of marginal republicans, isolated the party from hispanics and more than 50% of the white population and then blew up.
Damn am I glad there was a tea party.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them,... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, ... and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Anybody can quote scripture.
Let us assume that the act is due to a jihadi. The solution is clear, strike at the *ideology* of jihadis. At the moment the US is fighting a war on jihadi terrorism but completely ignoring (or, under the Obama Administration, suppressing) the *facts* about Islamic ideology that grows these jihadis. Just wait for the media to start using the words "extremist" which is a complete lie - jihad is a mainstream and central tenet of Islam. Until the US is honest about the problem it is facing it will never win. At the moment the Us is on a course to becoming progressively Islamicised under the guidance of Leftist "political correctness". Until the US tells the truth about Islamic teachings it cannot win the important war - the *ideological* one. Once the US properly understands the teachings of Islam as Muslims believe them (not as Western apologists do) then the Free World has a chance of surviving the coming Caliphate.
You are completely correct. It is inevitable that the Muslims in the West will rise and try to end free society. Hell they even say that they will do it! In future we will face a battle like Spain did, eliminate the Muslims or die.
You realize that if we were to effectively fight jihadist terrorism, Dearborn, MI, as well as various other locations in the US, would have to be depopulated with most of the inhabitants shot, deported, or jailed, right?
(There is Sharia by majority rule in Dearborn.)
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it will never happen, short of a no-punches-pulled Balkanized civil war.
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There is a lot that can be done without expelling anyone. If the war against Islam is to be won (and it needs to be, it is clear it is a fight to the death) then the US needs to win the *ideological* battle. At the moment many citizens of the Free World (and supposedly well-informed people on Slashdot) either don't know or are in denial about the facts of the nature and aims of Islam. This bombing is only the start. The US cannot placate Islam with appeasement. The US will have to learn the lessons the Israelis did - you are hated because the Qur'an commands that all non-Moslems be hated and subjugated. Therefore, you will only survive if you are in a position of strength. At the moment the US is gradually being islamicized. It is a slow process so many US citizens not only don't notice, they foolishly and mistakenly see counter-jihadists as some kind of bigots - when it is only their own ignorance that prevents them from seeing the truth that the counter-jihadists are trying to point out.
Remember Americans and Europeans, the Middle East was once Jewish and Christian with no Muslims. If Isl
Actually, I do have a multi-pronged approach consisting of many items. Unfortunately I still think it is necessary for some kinetic action to be taken against those who would never listen (eg. Al Qaeda). Now it turns out that I actually believe that many Muslims are in fact moral and very law abiding. It just turns out that the set of morals and laws that they obey are barbaric 7th Century edicts that doctrine prohibits from evolving or even discussing. The ideological battle to be waged is *far far* more important than the kinetic battle, but both are necessary for victory. At the moment the US is losing, badly, because it has deluded itself into believing political Islam is the same as various personal faiths - yet it most clearly is not.
For the specifics of my suggestions I hope you will consider my post I put here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3651105&cid=43459335
Please note that I neither call for deportation nor extermination nor oppression of Muslims (a courtesy that Islamists are unwilling to extend to Kosovar Serbs, Iraqi Assyrians, Kurds scattered around the place, Armenians, Egyptian Copts, Indonesian Christians or Southern Sudanese). Let readers judge whether I am trying to be reasonable or not, while still opposing the evil totalitarianism of Islam and promoting the defense of Englightenment Liberties for all.
If you are interested in various aspects of Islamic Law (eg, how the OIC are using the UN to promote evil Sharia worldwide) or how jihad is not in any way an "extremist" Muslim doctrine (as the political left, leftist media, and Islamic apologists continually lie to you about) in the sense that it is, in fact, a *core and mainstream* Islamic doctrine. When an Islamicist says they "condemn terrorism" it never means they condemn jihad. They are condemning "illegal warfare", which in Sharia means those who oppose jihad. This is an example of the Islamic doctrine of lying called "tawriya". Citations for your enlightenment and pleasure:
http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1095-knowing-four-arabic-words-may-save-our-civilization-from-islamic-takeover.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0 "Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc "Stephen Coughlin, Part 5: The Role of the OIC in Enforcing Islamic Law "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t98WRrOPj2s "Stephen Coughlin, Part 3: Abrogation & the 'Milestones' Process"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y " Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner"
So, fellow Slashdotters, please let me cue you in. When the inevitable TV appearances have Muslims condemning terrorism there will be some genuine condolences (those that are good human beings, but bad Muslims) but more than a few will be practicing "tawriya" - saying something with the knowledge that you will interpret it in one way, while they view it as the complete opposite due to the different interpretation under (evil !!!) Sharia.
Jihad means many things. Most of those things have nothing to do with physical violence or death.
People like you really miss the Red Scare don't you?
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
to be fair, it IS what the muslim faith teaches. Death to infidels - infidels being any non muslim. I am not saying I want a war, but I am sick of playing games where one side has rules to follow and the other doesnt.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same