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Explosions at the Boston Marathon
Reports are coming in that the headquarters at the Boston Marathon have been locked down after two explosions were reported near the finish line. According to reports "dozens of people have been seriously injured." CNN has live coverage. Google has a Person Finder up for Boston.
Update: The Boston Police Dept. says 2 people have died and 23 are injured. News conference scheduled for 4:30 ET.
Update: The Boston Police Dept. says 2 people have died and 23 are injured. News conference scheduled for 4:30 ET.
Saw a clip of the two explosions. First one occurs right at the finish line and then the second one within 20 seconds 2 blocks away. It appears clear that this was a coordinated attack.
It could still just be a gas leak or something. It was a building that blew, after all.
that pretty much says it. Why? Why do this? Your idealism is more important then other people?
Looks like bostonglobe.com is down, here's a live CBS feed that's still working http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/explosions-at-boston-marathon-finish-line/
At least the war on the environment is going well
Kim Jong-Un rejoices of the success of his intercontinental missile attack..
The point is that in todays political climate, we spend SOO much time looking at "assault weapons" (a gun that looks scary in other words) we are trying to disarm america and acts like this just prove that banning guns, will not stop crazy people from being crazy.
Has anyone checked or reported as checking for radiation at the site? Of course, they may not want to report that particular thing if it were true.
Hups, just saw a clip and it look like one of the explosions was set off behind a large widow to use the glass as shrapnel.
Gonna be interesting to see who they nail for this.
I just felt a tremor in the force, like the Bill of Rights being stripped from hundreds of millions of Americans...
Who shall we blame this time? Dem dirty communist hippi anarchs? or ye good olde muslims?
Fortunately, every time some whackaloon goes crazy and kills people some fool makes the mistake of announcing the political message of the attack before it comes out that the dude was just a whackaloon.
That being said -- if this isn't an accident -- there are so many ways to go with this one. First, it's April 15 - which is the TEA party day of action. (got to listen to a "what will you do to defend your country" speech at lunch today). Second, the last mile of the Boston Marathon was dedicated to the victims of Newtown -- so there's that lead in. Third, various politicians et al attend the race -- so there's the assassination angle.
Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
All the while fucking their sisters, eating mayonnaise sandwiches.
Don't hate the mayonnaise. The key to a real quality mayonnaise sandwich is to use lots and lots of pepper.
If we wanted to read about ALL news, we would go to news.google.com or something.
Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this. I'd agree that it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth, disk space, etc. for /. to bother with it. Unless, of course, it turns out eventually that there's an interesting tech component to the story. It's likely that anyone interested in such "public interest" stories has a window open to one or more of the general news sources. So /. shouldn't bother.
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time, everyone will make vicious pronouncements, and they won't forget about it. In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
(But this is just based on history. I could be wrong, so stay tuned. ;-)
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots'_Day
For those that are not from the area.
We have reports of people with missing limbs. happened near the Boston Public Library. Scary shit.
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be just a misguided man who is angry with america, and we should tolerate it.
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Mmmm...
I wonder what other parts of the constitution they will rip up to protect us from explosions?
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Posint anonymously to save what little reputation I have....
What does this have to do with news for nerds?.
Bombs are created by terrorists, terrorism is funded by internet piracy, internet piracy is big news here on /.
Isn't it sad that the first thought I have after, "those poor people, I hope they're OK!", is, " Oh, great, *now* what civil rights is the US government going to shit all over?"
The top poster is suggesting that 'evil-doers' will do evil with or with out guns.
Ban only assault bombs
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time, everyone will make vicious pronouncements, and they won't forget about it. In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
(But this is just based on history. I could be wrong, so stay tuned. ;-)
I dunno, I'm of the inclination that the amount of media attention will be directly proportional to how many rights will be compromised with the resulting legislation. Which works for both the "terrist" excuse (yay more warrant-less ass ramming) and home grown nutters (the public can't buy certain chemicals, no matter how useful they are in ways not related to explosives).
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What is this wait and see you're talking about? Let's bomb some country and then ask the questions! It worked last time didn't ti?
No, it's called "not jumping to conclusions"
We ONLY know two facts: there were two explosions and people injured - maybe explosions.
For all we know, some truck with tanks of CO2 for soda machines lost its strap and a couple tanks fell off and exploded when they hit the ground.
I mean really, are you that much of a scare whore that you want to put people into panic?!
And let's say - just say - it's a fucking terrorist attack - douzens of people were hurt. That sucks but ... big fucking deal! It's not like it's 3,000 jumping there deaths!
Cooler heads Prevail!
Repeat that 10,000 times.
Repeat 100 billion times - the media ALL THE MEDIA - are a bunch of cock sucking whores and will make a flea bite out to be a terrorist attack.
If anyone remembers 9/11, most US media websites could not handle Internet traffic. slashdot was able to scale traffic and keep information flowing in a time
of horror and chaos. this is before the day of social media and citizen journalism.
maybe, if you were in Boston now or had friends or loved ones who might have been near the finish line on Boylston Street at the time of the explosionsyou'd be concerned when you could not reach the local newspaper website. maybe then, you would not ask what this has to do with news for nerds.
>> What does that have to do with this?
the Boston Marathon is known for being one of the toughest marathons out there because of the giant 6-mile uphill at the end. This just made it worse for the runners. Considering the Boston marathon is a national tourist attraction, my guess is that this was aimed at hurting Boston's economy.
Here's a video of the actual explosion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsu-yoIzq8.
Doesn't look good..
The point is that in todays political climate, we spend SOO much time looking at "assault weapons" (a gun that looks scary in other words) we are trying to disarm america and acts like this just prove that banning guns, will not stop crazy people from being crazy.
Don't be so rational. Guns shoot bullets out of cartridges containing explosives, they're like a million little bombs you can carry in your pocket! Ban guns, ban machinery, ban tools, ban explosives, ban books, ban freedom
What does this have to do with news for nerds?
Why nothing at all that's what.
But you have to be a fucking idiot to have read /. and never noticed that it's more than news for nerds. And it's right in the slogan: "news for nerds, stuff that matters".
It could work the opposite way. Remember the '90's Assault weapons ban? Columbine happened while the weapons were banned.... when it was time to renew it, the message was "this didn't prevent Columbine, it's worthless".
Maybe when the warrantless snooping laws are up for review, someone will point out that it didn't prevent the Boston Bombing (or whatever it gets called) and it will expire with just as little fanfare.
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You are not going far enough.
The real issue is banning Assault Knife Bombs...
I was being serious about this until I saw blood all over the ground and M&Ms guy is just chilling like Fonzie.
I can't take it.
Fourth - North Korea has stated that something will happen on April 15th.
Though I don't think its them.
> water board the bastards all day if we have to
Only problem is, you already did that. What's the civilian body count in the "war on terror" now? Including the Afghan and Iraq invasions, and continuing drone attacks all over the Middle East. Half a million? One million? And then you're surprised there are a few people who are looking to retaliate?
Violence only produces one result: more violence.
Agreed. /. was impressive with its news coverage on 9/11.
This is news for everyone.
Because it falls under "stuff that matters".
Don't speak too soon, this could be a right-wing militia group for all we know.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
there were no drones in the 80's and 90's and the same people went from hijacking planes and cruise liners to blowing up sky scrapers in NYC and US Navy destroyers
I usually disagree with the stooges who ask why stuff of legal or societal interest is on slashdot, but why is this on slashdot?
News for nerds, stuff that matters.
Good chance that this is stuff that matters.
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Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
Why stop at gun legislation, I would like a full accounting of all laws that are completely unrelated to an explosion (whether intentional or not), and how those laws could have prevented this.
Hardly flamebait people. All you got to do is look at all the coverage of sandy hook and the politicians love affair with it, and then take a look at bengazi, which is never spoken about at all.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Too soon you say? Actually no, it goes to behavioral analysis. Could more damage have been done to runners and/or others at the start of the race with the density changes? To some would not have not allowing the race to complete be more worthwhile then at the end? More audience related towards the end? Who/what was the target? Who might chose to do it the way it was done and in what ways? Was the event the target or the cover? Tons more questions varied by the answers found along the decision tree as they must find the root of the problem.
Just to follow up:
If it's a terrorist attack, then it's stuff that matters.
If it's an exploding gas line then it's new for nerds.
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The timing is precisely when the world would be watching, and the location is precise as well at the finish line.
Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
[sarcasm] Easily, it would pacify anti-gun activists so that they wouldn't blow up marathon spectators in protest. (In other news, I've heard that anti-explosive activists have just gotten their hands on a thermonuclear warhead.) [/sarcasm]
Ezekiel 23:20
Congratulations, you have been awarded the Wolf Blitzer award for the most reprehensible evidence-free speculation about the causes of a mass killing.
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights.
There, fixed that for ya. A common mistake to think our current Government in any way wants to serve us, defend our rights, and generally do the right thing. You're not the first to make that mistake.
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I have one name for you Richard Jewell.
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Far-right-wing Muslims?
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People getting hurt in bomb explosions in USA are for everyone. Including a-hole nerds. If you are one this is for you.
For what it's worth, bombings are happening every day elsewhere in the world. But in the US, granted, it's an uncommon sight. Quite sad. (That it happened, not that it's uncommon!)
Ezekiel 23:20
>Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
Je me souviens.
Since DHS/TSA has failed to stop more than one individual from getting on a plane with a device intended to cause damage, we can realistically assume they aren't perfect, despite claiming so and trying really, really hard.
Just like your Wordpress site, security is an illusion - at best minimizing the opportunities, never preventing all attacks from succeeding.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Violence only produces one result: more violence.
(at least up until the point when everyone is already dead)
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
Third, various politicians et al attend the race -- so there's the assassination angle.
The other assassination angle: They only barely missed Joey of New Kids on the Block.
I am officially gone from
In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
You seem to be implying that there are things we should be doing that would prevent future such acts. So what should we be doing? I can understand hardening specific point targets like critical infrastructure, and general intelligence gathering. But we are already doing those things. In fact, many people feel that we are already way past the point of diminishing returns. What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
"We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
No, the point is to troll. Not even a decent attempt. Trolling so blatantly, I really just don't understand how anyone gets any pleasure out of it.
Making people think you're serious and getting them upset, that's childish, but at least I can understand the thrill from when I was that childish. But essentially screaming "I AM TROLLING! EVERYONE GET MAD AT ME!!! LOL!!!" seems like it would be as entertaining as cheating at solitaire. Anyone acting upset at the troll is trolling as well. So I guess it would be closer to multiple people somehow cheating at solitaire and then laughing at how easy it is to cheat at solitaire.
Tell me again how MORE GUNS would have prevented this??? Tell me how MORE GUNS would result in fewer homicides each year. Convince me of that and I will join the NRA and fill my house with guns, get a concealed carry permit and join a militia.
>Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
Only if handled better than the Big Dig
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A sign of the new normal for the emerging country of Third World America?
Why is this on a tech news site? I come here for the news that I can't get on CNN, not for the general interest stuff that I can. Please, slashdot, please, return to your tech roots. It's what brought us here in the first place.
Slashdot isn't a tech news site. It's a nerd discussion site, where like minded nerds can talk about things that interest them.
Slashdot hasn't broken news for over a decade.
Mod parent up. I myself almost forgot about the PATRIOT Act, let alone countless others. Obama's love affair with drones had a seven year setup that had nothing to do with him.
Charisma is the measure of someone's ability to lie with a straight face.
Not to mention that if someone intended to fire the "First Shot", Boston is an iconic choice.
If there is a group of people responsible for this, I dislike them.
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
OT prediction:
My OT predictions:
1. Fox News is probably already in the process of finding a way to blame Barack Obama.
2. MSNBC is probably already in the process of finding a way to blame Republicans.
3. No one in power will blame the organization that actually was directly responsible for preventing this and similar attacks, the FBI's anti-terrorism unit.
I am officially gone from
Why? JC42 has correctly stated how these events have historically turned out generally. And no ganjadude, you should never 'tolerate' terrorism or murder. By the way, other countries also get really upset when stuff like this happens, and even more when it's done by those from other countries. I guess it's human nature to emphasize harm done by outsiders.
Really? Can you provide some evidence to support your thesis?
The mob appears to be with me on this one. May have to reconsider my position.
/meant/ is that this is going to set up a bunch of half-baked theories and speculation. I did not intend the above as a list of likely culprits. See the first line of my post which, I thought, qualified the following statement as a list of things "some fool" might say before it turns out to have been a whackaloon. Was that not clear?
More seriously -- what I
holy shit, the gold reserves have been replaced with bitcoins!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
More's the point. How come this article isn't being reported one week after the event? Then followed up soon by a dup?
This already happened. Don't you remember the trillion dollars or whatever it was which was budgeted for "keep america working" or whatever during the whole 7 trillion dollars that were spent on TARP funding and rescuing banks and private industry a few years ago? Haven't you seen those signs all over streets since them explaining that the construction project you were passing was paid for through those funds? This was shortly after the whole "ermagherd, the bridges are falling apart all over murrica!" thing, too.
Since, at the moment, we do not even know what 'this' was in any real detail, hard to say what if anything could have been done.
Exactly. Leave exploitation of tragedies and people involved in them to the president and other politicians (listen to the president's address to the people on youtube this past week? Yeah, you get what I'm saying).
Ban common sense!
Then right after that lets ban the dodo bird.
"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
That being said -- if this isn't an accident -- there are so many ways to go with this one.
Depends on what you think you were being clear on.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
If it was an exploding gas line, police probably wouldn't have already found several more unexploded bombs.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Luckily, we passed those laws a couple decades ago.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Guess it's too soon to make points that, if someone wants to kill other people, they can do it no matter what is legal or illegal?
"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
You mean Bull Schitzer?
The world has changed in the last 12 years, Slashdot is now a little fish in a much bigger pond. In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Gold has been crashing. It didn't start today.
At 5:00am this morning, the financial news headline story was gold crashing. Normally, after a terrorist attack you would see an increase in gold prices.
Probably not connected unless someone who lost a fortune on their gold investments in the past week snapped.
You are welcome on my lawn.
He's a child. I expect no more, and will wait for him to mature, grow a set of ideals, and then offend Holocaust survivors with malice. Then I'll consider him a product of our licentious and misguided times, and forget him again.
Feh.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I was mildly surprised to find the story here on Slashdot. But - I'll bet a few nerds were involved, at least peripherally. Some nerd's brother may have been running . . .
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
nuked into oblivion...Iran wouldn't do that either for similar reasons.
That makes no sense to me. There is almost nothing that Iran could do that would invite a nuclear strike from the U.S. Why? Because the people or Iran, by and large, are not at all culpable in what the crazy government wants to do. They are like a few million hostages being held in a bank; we can't just burn down the bank the hostages are being held in to get rid of handful of crazy people attacking us.
Iran knows they aren't going to get nuked, and furthermore WANTS to be attacked because they want to start a war period, to justify further actions on their part that cannot even in the middle east be justified in a first strike.
I don't think Iran did this mind you; I'm just saying there are very few groups you could at all rule out because of retaliation.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I haven't been in the US for a while, I just read an article on gas leaks some time ago.
Je me souviens.
Well, with a name like "Bean Town", I can believe it!
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/rahmemanue409199.html
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." -Rahm Emanuel
Former aid to President Obama and current mayor of Chicago which is undergoing major budgetary and violent crime crisises as we speak.
Unfortunately the AP is reporting 2 more devices were found and detonated by the bomb squad.. so not a gas leak.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Drones killing civilians is an accident; people thought there was a military target there. Sometimes mistakes happen, and innocent people die, but the intent is to target military forces and largely that is what happens.
Civilians being killed as in Boston - there is no possibility of it being a military target, the target is as explicitly non-military as you can get.
Can you truly not discern any kind of difference?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this.. . . So /. shouldn't bother.
I think something slipped past you. Strictly speaking, Slashdot isn't a news reporting site, it is a news aggregator and discussion site (although that generally works better if the news isn't stale as in weeks or years old). That is the point of the forums with each story, and posting - to discuss the news. Or are your posts completely random? (Topic? I don't need no stinking topic! I want to discuss chocolate sundaes! (That should really be hot grits.))
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time...
Strike two. Oklahoma City is constantly dragged out in discussions and policy debates, especially to denegrate the political right and Christians despite the fact that McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent. On the other hand, the Obama administration has been actively suppressing use of phrases by the government such as "War on Terror" and Jihadi.
By the way - it would be great if you would just spell foreigner as foreigner. That sort of feigned misspelling makes for tedious commentary.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Screw reasoning, this is sick (2 balsts, 1 controlled blast, 2 not activated). Hoping investigators will find those people.
This is also doesn't feel like Jihadists...
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
All the runners should have been carrying their own bombs, that would have stopped it!
That's the very point. Bombs being legal or illegal have nothing to do with whether criminals or terrorists would use them. Same goes for guns. When gun ownership is banned, all it does is outlaw LEGAL possession, meaning law abiding citizens no longer have it. But criminals will continue to have it, regardless of whether the law allows it or not.
Whenever there are any shootings, the anti-gun lobby is on overdrive. This time, no guns were involved, which is why the question the OP put is a good one. The root cause of this is either crime, which is a social problem, or terrorism, which is an Islamic problem. It has little to do with whether guns can be legally owned, which is why the attacks on the 2nd amendment everytime a gun based crime happens is actually an irrelevant one.
You don't need evidence when the writer can define what "left" and "right" mean.
Banning guns won't prevent mass murder because then people will just use bombs?
Yes, but if all those runners had been armed then, uh ... uh ... uh ...
I don't know, what does the the Superbowl have to do with this either?
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Fortunately, every time some whackaloon goes crazy and kills people some fool makes the mistake of announcing the political message of the attack before it comes out that the dude was just a whackaloon.
Yes, there are many ways to go with this one -- look around and you'll see two of the points I raised already appearing in other threads here. Go to CNN and you can complete the set and add a bunch more.
ganjadude was pointing out the media's position, which is "tolerate killings by terrorist groups because it's America's fault" The desire right now is to turn anything into America bashing so that American civil rights will be restricted.
The mites would fight over our bodies.
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This Google Map location
Seems to match this photo
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-explosion2.jpg
To be fair, there are several 'western' countries where bombing like this make headline news in the US.
Best course -- pray it turns out to have been a big gas leak.
It would be nice to return to the days of blissful ignorance when we believed we had no enemies or if the mounds of money and freedoms we give up for security would actually make us safe.
there were no drones in the 80's and 90's and the same people went from hijacking planes and cruise liners to blowing up sky scrapers in NYC and US Navy destroyers
Stop asking questions peon!
The point is that in todays political climate, we spend SOO much time looking at "assault weapons" (a gun that looks scary in other words) we are trying to disarm america and acts like this just prove that banning guns, will not stop crazy people from being crazy.
Don't be so rational. Guns shoot bullets out of cartridges containing explosives, they're like a million little bombs you can carry in your pocket! Ban guns, ban machinery, ban tools, ban explosives, ban books, ban freedom
Actually, some of us are less worried about how scary guns look as we are in how many rounds they let loose before someone can get to them.
An assault rifle is like a bomb in that it allows one person to wound or kill a lot of people in seconds. In fact, the main difference, functionally speaking, is that rifle spray is more unidirectional.
Still, the NRA only considers guns to be "arms" protected by the 2nd Amendment, so expect the upshot of this is that you will be eventually cuffed and sent to guantanamo if you are found in possession of anything more chemically dangerous than it takes to make a chocolate milkshake. But who needs science if you have enough bullets?
I agree. As someone living in NYC at the time, none of our cell phones worked and television was knocked out for a while (I think it was CBS that was still broadcasting because their antenna was on the Empire State Building.).
A largely text-only site like Slashdot is the best scenario for such situations.
Second Site seems to locale for this photo
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/04/Boston%20Photo.jpg
Yup. The war is on.
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Clearly you need to be carted off to the re-education camp. How dare you go against this administrations agenda! Don't you know you work for the liberal government? Did you think this was a democracy?
What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
Like, you know, stop pissing people off for a change.
Explosives have been legal ever since they were made. They're just heavily regulated. Using explosives in the way they were used today is illegal though. That doesn't stop the tragedy (nothing can), but it does allow a legal framework for prosecution, and in theory, the threat of prosecution will stop some people from blowing other people up.
Guess it's too soon to make points that, if someone wants to kill other people, they can do it no matter what is legal or illegal?
Only an idiot or a legislator would think otherwise. But I repeat myself, to quote Mark Twain.
Realistically - not that being realistic has anything to do with politics or ide(ot)ology - it would be useful to be able to use the law to limit the amount of damage that people can do without making it impossible to function as a creative, productive, and free society. An all-or-nothing approach is worse than useless, regardless of which pole you adhere to. We'll never be 100% safe, regardless.
Not killing so many brown people would probably be a good start.
Don't speak too soon, this could be a right-wing militia group for all we know.
More than likely, given that it's on tax day.
A Saudi National
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
As an outsider, judging by how 9/11 "rallied the American spirit" - no thanks. You all went batshit crazy and still are. I'm afraid to think where more rallying will leave you. Checkpoints on every block? Full body scanners and patdowns at every public event? Personally I still like my odds of dying of a heart attack versus being killed in a terrorist act. Please don't take more civil liberties away. That stuff is contagious and other countries are catching it. Also, condolences to the bereaved and wounded.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
They're now reporting a third incident at the JFK Library, which has erupted into a fire.
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Lay off the weed a bit, "ganjadude," it's making you paranoid but doing your analytical skills no favors. Benghazi was "never spoken about at all," except by just about every media pundit and political campaigner for months (whining on every prime-time TV media show about how there was no media coverage). Do you know anyone in this country who didn't hear endless re-hashes of the Benghazi attacks? So far as the Benghazi incident didn't prompt calls for immediate changes in domestic policy like Sandy Hook did, have you considered that might be because Benghazi isn't in the USA so there's fuck all changes to domestic policy that would be relevant to "preventing the next Benghazi"?
Observations that gun legislation exists in many forms already are not lectures. Which side was the GP arguing for?
Your question is irrelevant to the hypocracy issue. The point is you came here and lectured a troll about how we ought to respond and then proceeded immediatly to spending most of your word count talking guns.
In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
You seem to be implying that there are things we should be doing that would prevent future such acts. So what should we be doing? I can understand hardening specific point targets like critical infrastructure, and general intelligence gathering. But we are already doing those things. In fact, many people feel that we are already way past the point of diminishing returns. What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
"We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Inspired words from the man who sanctioned America's first coups in Democratic countries.
Today I think you have it backwards. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights. If it is a "furriner" it will be all over the media, used as an excuse to take away more rights.
There, fixed that for ya. A common mistake to think our current Government in any way wants to serve us, defend our rights, and generally do the right thing. You're not the first to make that mistake.
This. I'm actually far more afraid of what the government will do in response to stuff like this than actually being a victim of something like this.
Third Site - JFK Library reported by BBC
Someone's Macbook Retina battery forgot its a battery and decided its a bomb. They did find out that Lithium Ion batteries have memory problems.
Sad to see people injured and killed with this, even sadder when we find out this ends up being some disgruntled American suffering from an overload of first world problems, just like the Atlanta Olympic bombing.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Perhaps prompting and arming some stupid schmuck in order to entrap him for terrorism
Or perhaps something worse, like this: "[Operation] Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers — often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed by close physical surveillance; they were freely permitted to bulk transfer the guns to, among others, Mexican drug gangs and other violent criminals — with no agents on hand to swoop in, make arrests, and grab the firearms. The inevitable result of this was that the guns have been used (and will continue to be used) in many crimes, including the murder of Brian Terry, a U.S. border patrol agent. In sum, the Fast & Furious idea of “trace” is that, after violent crimes occur in Mexico, we can trace any guns the Mexican police are lucky enough to seize back to the sales to U.S. straw purchasers who should never have been allowed to transfer them (or even buy them) in the first place. That is not law enforcement; that is abetting a criminal rampage." -- K. Pavlich
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
directly responsible
I don't think this means what you think it means.....
Seems a lot of the Newtown victim's families were seated at the VIP section near the finish lines, which is where the bombs were planted.
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Most likely one of those extremist Republican groups that we've heard so much about. I wouldn't be colored shocked in the least bit.
Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
Because you can have guns to keep the government in line or overthrow it if you don't like the way they respond to terror attacks. It's your right.
TMYK
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Really? Can you provide some evidence to support your thesis?
unabomber etc. right wing wackos(nazis) tend to go beat up homeless(they think they're working for the state). though, I think you could define the politcal wacko scale more as a circle, if they're far enough to the left or to the right they're actually at the same spot far away from sane people on the other side of the circle. but I would be surprised if this was done by muslims.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I think instead they'll find out the bombs were propane, gasoline, kerosene, or some other common thing to buy, and we'll all have to start on rations for the "explosive materials" just like we're only allowed X number of sudafed tablets per year because of meth heads. People will have to file for special exemptions to get more fuel. Now that spring is here, people may not even think about kerosene or heating oil exemptions until after the bill is passed.
They apparently found multiple unexploded bombs. This was confirmed to be a bombing.
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Thanks for the advice, I dont really smoke that much anymore
we heard the media talking about it yes, and the media has been covering for the administration on the issue. notice how no one there has been brought in to be spoken to? in fact the admin has gone out of its way to keep them from speaking. meanwhile we get lie after lie concerning sandy hook, for example today ABC FINALLY admitted that no assault rifle was used in the attack (which is not stopping the government from pushing assault rifle bans)
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You mean giving away overpriced stuff.
"Drones killing civilians is an accident; people thought there was a military target there. Sometimes mistakes happen, and innocent people die, but the intent is to target military forces and largely that is what happens."
According to whom, the government that won't officially acknowledge the program exists?
Seem you are the one who failed with your inane speculation.
A Saudi National has been detained. Mostly because he seems to have blown himself up.
Just a bit of advice...if the idiots are agreeing with you, it's time to reassess your position.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
I thought this was 'news for nerds', not 'failed Republican talking points'?
As an outsider, it's pretty easy to hear about an incident where X,000 poeple died, and just look at it as a statistic. Try looking at the pictures of the people who actually died on 9/11, they're on google images, and they're pretty gruesome. I wasn't there, but if I was I would be pretty damn pissed too. When somebody you don't even know declares open war on you, and underhandedly and violently attacks you, you do things you normally wouldn't do. While taking civil liberties away is a bad idea, calling people who react to it batshit crazy about it is a pretty callous, asshole thing to do. In other words, go fuck your sheltered complacent self.
It's likely some moderators will come down on me, but I don't really care to be honest.
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What could we possibly do to prevent such attacks? Treat every such event like a presidential visit? Bomb-sniffing dogs everywhere? Police swarming the area? All buildings on the route thoroughly searched? Every spectator searched?
We live in a free country; stuff like this is the price we pay. What is the alternative? A police state?
Terrorists can't destroy a country, they can only scare a country into destroying itself.
Dilute! Dilute! OK!
Here are a couple hotlines just announced by Boston Chief of Police in response to today's apparent terrorist attacks in Boston: For help locating people: 1-617-635-4500 For witness tips: 1-800-494-TIPS
Even nerds living in their basements should have at least SOME notion of what is happening outside.
Privacy is terrorism.
well, I guess I am surprised.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
It's stuff that matters to me and I'm in Romania. it's important because it is likely to affect much more than a few Bostonians (Bostonese?).
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Not in World War II.
Some wish to assert all violence is bad. That's not true. Some - most - violence is bad. But sometimes it is good. It's an example of the complexity of the world. Like chemotherapy drugs. Under normal circumstances, they are a poison. But in certain circumstances, they can be used to lifesaving effect.
Historically every marathon finisher gets a medal. Marathoners know that every such a medal is well deserved. Time is not that important. Finishing is winning.
Running a marathon has got many risks. It requires training, discipline, thinking.
It is sad that the second great US marathon had to be canceled.
Also the "founder" of North Korea's birthday, and apparently a day where it's not unexpected for them to do something extra-crazy.
However, that said the Boston Marathon seems like an odd target for external terrorism, unless it's the beginning of something worse. I wasn't even aware it was happening until the bombing.
A common mistake to think our current Government in any way wants to serve us, defend our rights
Yes -- in a humorous bout of wishful thinking, our Declaration of Independence says that the very reason "Governments are instituted" is to "secure" our rights.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Images of a big fireball and a lot of blood on the pavement: http://deadspin.com/explosions-reported-at-the-boston-marathon-473008941
No, no I did not. I stated first and foremost my concern was for the people of Boston. The
Yes, yes you so did that. Anyone can go back and check what you have actually said.
second point was to address how stupid it is to argue against any gun legislation at all.
Stupid me.. I get it now... as long as you start by saying how concerned you are *then* it becomes acceptable to talk about guns. You don't even have to wait a months time before you feed an obvious troll.
"It's 11, not 7"
Must be those senior moments that started about age 12.
The priority of those stories should have been reversed.
They probably were... in Iraq...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
The AP (Associated Press) is reporting that the Boston Police have turned off the cell phone system and infrastructure to prevent the use of cell phone signals from triggering another bomb. Something else to consider when the only means of communication you have left are cell phones and no land lines.
That's a completely absurd statement. Any attempt of the sort you describe would backfire appallingly, and the world would live with the bloody consequences for generations.
that the entire world does not revolve around your small penis and need to compensate for it.
Luckily, we passed those laws a couple decades ago.
Not to mention all of the laws on the books that have made the crimes you commit with guns illegal for centuries...
meanwhile we get lie after lie concerning sandy hook, for example today ABC FINALLY admitted that no assault rifle was used in the attack (which is not stopping the government from pushing assault rifle bans)
Only if you don't consider the bushmaster / AR15 an assault rifle, which technically it may not be but to the common person it is. You're splitting hairs.
Hmmm... I'm not so sure about this "like minded" business. Slashdot has just as much variety of opinion on topics as anywhere else. Perhaps user of /. are more informed, but definitely not "like minded". You could argue with me, but then you'd just make my point about the not like minded deal. Of course, if you agree with me instead then you concede my point.
Seriously though, you're basically right, and anyone who doesn't get that this story is "stuff that matters" is missing an understanding of what "stuff that matters" means.
My present is the activity I am currently engaged in with the purpose of turning the future into a better past.
lol Benghazi never spoken about at all????? You miss all the news stories and Congressional testimony? Or, did your favorite radio/cable news blow hard tell you that?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
But supposedly a selective aggregator. Presumably everything on every news site matters to somebody.
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I haven't seen a word of anyone blaming Republicans. What I have seen is Conservatives all over the internet trolling forums from here to IMDB about Obama's incompetence and conspiracy theories.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
It is sad that the bombings are happening around the world with such frequency. Human lives are still human lives, no matter they be U.S. citizens, Iraqis, Russians, or Koreans. Why should it be sad in some places and not so much in others?
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
it is actually a relevant comment. You can hurt people with lots and lots of things, but instead of concentrating on the people that do this kind of stuff, crazy or religious nuts there is a huge distraction on "things" like guns. The focus needs to be on people.
I thought his real name was Shark Divebomber?
You're making the flawed argument that common sense had existed before going extinct...
+1 Disagree
And funded with bitcoins, of course.
4. Aaron Sorkin is already writing this into an episode for season 3 of 'The Newsroom'.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
Man I love chocolate sundaes. What do you think, nuts or no nuts?
+1 Disagree
Every Liberty-loving Real American Republican knows the right answer: require every able-bodied adult to carry bombs at all times. No whacko would think about bombing a crowd, if he knew everyone else would bomb him right back on the spot. A polite society is a bomb-throwing society!
In fact it could very well be someone like yourself trying to set up the Tea Party... with any luck you posted from a traceable IP because it's very likely whoever did this would be online monitoring posts about it, as you are.
Paranoid much?
This continues to be a very complex investigation and there is a lot of contradictory information out there, but we have some new information this morning (one month ago) from a couple of federal officials and state officials. They say now that there were actually four handguns inside the school, not just two as we were initially told. Four handguns and apparently only handguns that were taken into the school. We knew that Adam Lanza, the man said to be the gunman here, also had an ‘assault-style’ AR-15 -style rifle that he had had taken to the school, it was in the car he drove there, his mother’s car, but we have been told by several officials that he had left that in the car.
This is from NBC who corrected it way back in january (not MSNBC however they still claim that he used the AR) http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/
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I suspect that this event will lead to legislation to increase surveillance powers for the intelligence gathering agencies. Any red tape that still exists which allows agencies to tap communications of suspects will be removed. Whether this event was perpetrated by foreigners or americans is irrelevant. For example, if it is a homegrown attack by some disturbed person, then the agencies will claim it could have been prevented if they were allowed to eavesdrop on all communication of former mental patients, and felons without warrant. Then we've got a law that states ISPs and telcos have to allow access to any agent who can show that the account holder is a former felon - which will end up meaning that anyone with the same name as a former felon is fair game for eavesdropping. If the attack was done by foreign elements, then we'll see calls for warrantless eavesdropping for anyone who has recently entered the country, or recently convicted felons (since nobody ever stands up for felons). Either way, we're all boned.
I welcome our new 99% overlords.
Bravo. Usually reporters and even slashdotters have too much of a sense of decency to start fingerpointing at the opposing party before getting any real details, but not you.
Way to keep those standards high.
Nah. You have to go back to moment dirty American infidels touched pristine Saudi Arabian Holy Land. That was Osama's gripe from the start.
It it turns out that the bomber was in any way associated with the race, it will be classified as "workplace violence" so as not to offend anyone of another nationality.
Depending on who turns out to be responsible for this, it may matter a great deal in Syria.
But it's only brown people, right?
Race baiting never gets old, does it?
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Any posts which use the words "Americuh" or "furriner" (or variants thereof) are flamebait.
The only way to prevent all possible violence against all possible targets is by definition a police state.
Dont want that? Accept the possibility that someone could ruin your life at any possible time, and that as a free society we deal with crimes after they happen, not before.
So you're taking the bet then?
Just to follow up:
If it's a terrorist attack, then it's stuff that matters.
If it's an exploding gas line then it's new for nerds.
Why?
Because if we ignore it the terrorists lose and we can't have that?
Because the damage and death toll is vanishingly small compared to the deaths caused by unpublicized crime during the same five minute period in the rest of the country?
What about "terrorism" makes this worth following?
"I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
You have such useful insights. Don't ever change.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
But the actual assault weapon ban we had until recently really was a "scary looking gun ban" - it was a ban on all the harmless toys that gun geeks like to dress up their guns with, that didn't affect the actual danger of the weapons. It was a "fuck you" to a specific subculture of America by another subculture. Any future gun control laws at the national level will likely be the same, because they'll be motivated the same way.
If you're concerned with rational stuff like "how many rounds they let loose before someone can get to them", consider that reloading is pretty quick in any case, and all but one mass shooting in the past 25 years has been done in a place where guns were outlawed, so it's not like the shooter was going to be in much danger while reloading. Crazy suicidal people are the real danger that we need to deal with here.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
That's why I said that it might not.
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This. I'm actually far more afraid of what the government will do in response to stuff like this than actually being a victim of something like this.
That's only because you haven't been a victim of it. I'm pretty sure if you were one of the people with their limbs blown off you'd be singing a different tune. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just trying to keep this in perspective.
Unlike the non-violence that produced Peace for Our Time right before WWI.
Humans produce violence. The only question is who is going to be left standing.
As of 6:30 Eastern, I still haven't seen anything more definitive than an "anonymous official" that there were additional devices. There was an unrelated electrical fire at the JFK Library, and Boston PD blew up something suspicious, but neither of those is equivalent to an additional bomb.
Boston has a huge internet/tech/biotech community.
Please help metamoderate.
sense of decency
Here, are you serious? People skip right over the deaths to complain about their possible future loss of rights.
I guess that's easy to complain about in a basement away from risk.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
That was supposed to be the stimulus plan "shovel-ready projects." Whatever happened to that?
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Just a FYI for all you wanting to blame the Tea Party and other "right-wing extremist groups" Suspect in custody, Saudi National: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_suspect_guard_y2m8cJO29uC2PDGIjYBalO
You're too kind. In the last 12 years, Slashdot went from a major internet forum to a has-been, a shadow of its former self, with most users fleeing for greener pastures.
President Lawnchair just gave his news conference and used the usual weasel words that were signature of every administration of recent memory. He will do whatever his corporate overlords tell him to do.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
Well, maybe you're onto something. Gun legislation would force somebody to switch from using a powerful, highly lethal, high capacity firearm to some kind of hare-brained improved explosive -- as was used here.
The result is that only two people are killed and a couple of dozen injured, instead of the carnage that would have been inflicted if the persons responsible had pulled out an AR-15 with a couple of 30 round clips taped together "jungle style". If we're lucky, a lot of the people responsible for this sort of thing will save us the trouble of hunting them down by blowing themselves up.
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Fox will blame liberals.
MS-NBC will actually hold the line, waiting for actual information to come to light. If, however, as the date suggests, it is the work of Tax Warriors, they, unlike every other news outlet on TV/Cable, WILL talk about the enormous right-wing loony terrorist networks that have been shooting people and planting bombs for years. And the fact that, less than three years ago, the FBI was told to dismantle the domestic right-wing terrorist task group because of enormous pressure from right-wing congressmen and women who felt that their constituents were being persecuted. And that Obama hadn't the balls to fight them. Again.
In my attempt to take the day off from coding my latest ULTIMATE Android app, I noticed the BULL SH*T on television.
Now, not being the totally cynical human being I am, keep in mind I got this scenario in my head because of all the history books I read about governments. Not only from reading, but in my case I have found people to be treacherous in general. So I might have a paranoid bias.
No matter, because even if I am paranoid, the times we live in make people like me VERY valuable. People like me, don't miss a THING that goes on now days.
But, let me guess what is going to happen after the BULL SH*T dust settles:
1) Our government will announce they have NO IDEA how this happened, and that they will "GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS". Meanwhile, like all of the NO IDEA events in the past decade they will parade families on TV in between IDOL spots declaring how unsafe the streets are in BOSTON and how could the government let them kill my baby. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Government SAVE ME!!!!! ...meanwhile:
RESULT: TSA will get the go ahead to put troops on the streets in the future as more events that the government claims they have NO IDEA about happen or some other BULL SH*T.
2) A couple of weeks later, it will be discovered that this a domestic terrorist because as we all know who are tracking the world events, the crap is starting to finally hit the fan in the derivatives markets, and the banks are desperate for cash from all of their criminal activities.
No doubt they will get some patsy to parade on TV like the BATMAN guy or something else....anything really and announce that well, yet another piece of that, dirty, outdated piece of paper the constitution ... needs to go!!!
Of course, it is to keep everyone safe!!
So, after looting Europe, surprise here they come for America. So to start things off, we need a couple of bombs to go off.
Oh, and as more bombs go off, they will claim: "Oh we the BANKS have bad news. It looks like these domestic terrorists have created a PANIC in the markets and your accounts will have to be frozen".
Darn, those terrorists:
RESULT: Some sort of financial liquidity event for the crony bankers, and the government who protects them. Meanwhile you will be lucky if you get your money out of the bank or you are WIPED OUT.
I could be wrong of course...but I doubt it.
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
First, it's April 15 - which is the TEA party day of action. (got to listen to a "what will you do to defend your country" speech at lunch today).
You mean the Tea Party that had the most peaceful protests in the history of this country? The ones who were assaulted by union thugs, called racists by the media and were called every foul name under the sun by the losers in the Democratic party, including Anderson Cooper calling them "teabaggers" on national TV?
I'm sick of pathetic scum bags like you trying to write the narrative on the tea party. They've done absolutely nothing to you and in fact have worked their asses off to specifically preserve your constitutional rights. So fuck you and your ignorant left wing bullshit. You're going to get exactly the type of government you deserver and go fuck yourself when it happens because my wallet will be closed to your sorry ass and mommy and daddy will be broke and unable to help you.
Go occupy wall street and rape some more people in tents, defecate on some cop cars and attempt to blow up some bridges. Asshole.
dontcha know, every bombing has taken place in a bomb-free zone? Make bombs illegal, and only criminals will have bombs. The only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.
I will, if only to see how this plays out. If you're going to accuse someone, you better have some evidence.
I am John Hurt.
From Boston.com.
"Too bad both of you were not in Boston today."
Does that make your comment worse than theirs --considering what happened in Boston today.
Copley Square in Boston is a "hop skip and a jump" from MIT.
In all seriousness:
Just a bit of advice...if the idiots are agreeing with you, it's time to reassess your position.
I'm pretty sure you're not agreeing with me. Just saying.
by greener pastures you mean kuro5hin, digg and rebbit right? LOL
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Iran wants to start a war? That's news to fucking everyone who pays attention.
If you had in fact been paying attention you might have read one of the many speeches the leader of Iran has given proclaiming they are going to wipe Israel out. Should we not listen and just "pay attention" to people like yourself who tell us to ignore what they say they want to do?
Or perhaps you were alluding to the fact that Iran has not really ever ended a war, as the feed arms to Iraq, Syra, the PLA, etc.
Get a grip.
I have a grip. You need a clue.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If the Dakar rally, World Cup, or World Series of Poker were bombed, we'd hear about that too. Bombings of sporting events make news no matter in the world they are...this is not a US story, this is a world event.
Look at how many different nationalities are represented in a top level marathon - the Olympics are the only more diversified sport event I can think ok.
"As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
Change ok to of in my last sentence. Damn autocorrect....
"As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
I will, if only to see how this plays out. If you're going to accuse someone, you better have some evidence.
It's a bet. This is not the same as an accusation, it's a guess based on evidence (tax day, patriot day, "boston tea party").
And you would be wrong.
Wisc. Sikh attack by a far right winger white supremicists.
Aurora movie attack. Just a nut job. Raised right wing, but leaned left, or neutral.
Discovery Communications. A left winger.
Fort hood massacre. A Right Winger Muslim
US Holecaust museum. A NAZI, which is right wing
Arkansas shooting. AQ which is considered right wing.
Assaination of George Tiller: Right winger
David Feldheim's home. Environmental group. Left Wing if true.
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Wanted to kill dems and liberals. I think that we can call that right winger.
You can go through it all, but what you see is that the majority of them are right-wingers, not left wingers.
The only left winger attacking would be environmental groups (kind of weird in itself).
BUT, most ppl miss the fact that AQ and their type are truly right wingers.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Certainly, if laws "currently on the books" were enforced (both "to the letter" and "in the spirit of"), we would have a better chance of preventing attacks such as this.
In all seriousness:
Actually, some of us are less worried about how scary guns look as we are in how many rounds they let loose before someone can get to them.
That has little to do with what constitutes an "assault rifle". According to liberal politicians, an "assault weapon" (by which they really mean an "assault rifle") also has several 'important' features to make it what it is. One really big one is a bayonet mount. No hunting rifle has a bayonet mount, but they're fairly common on assault rifles. This of course is a highly dangerous feature that no civilian should have on a gun he owns, because bayonets have been used so often for bloody rampages in schools and malls and daycare centers around the country.
Another important feature is an adjustable stock. Unlike hunting rifles which are made of a single piece of wood (usually expensive walnut), "assault rifles" frequently have stocks which can be adjusted for the user's arm length. Apparently this somehow turns a harmless semi-auto rifle (like an AR-15 circa 1965) into an instrument of mass destruction, though I still haven't figured out how, but apparently some politicians know better than me.
One final feature is a barrel shroud. Hunting rifles don't have these, so if you touch the barrel after shooting them, you'll burn your hands. But on many "assault rifles", they have a thin piece of vented metal suspended over the barrel, so that you can grab it without hurting yourself. Perhaps this feature was used to devastating effect in many mass shootings?
If we can just ban these features, we'll have guns which are perfectly safe for civilians to wield.
What happened? Obama "bargained" with the right wing in congress, and half the stimulus went to tax breaks - useless when the problem is unemployment, as no demand = no need to make as much - and the rest of the stimulus was nowhere near enough to jumpstart the economy. So, as Krugman and the other gets-it-right economists predicted, it helped, but fizzled almost immediately.
When money is cheap to borrow, and you need to get people working, you spend, and spend big. And not on contractors in Iraq who pretty much stole the money and walked away (and that was on the credit card to future generations - we never raised taxes to pay for that war). You spend it on poor people who will actually spend their money on the street and generate sufficient electromotive force that will jumpstart the motor of the economy. Instead, the money that is being accumulated is going to the top five percent or so of the population - and it is staying there. So here we are. Dead in the water - plenty of money to borrow at zero interest, and no incentive to spend it on putting people to work. Plenty of incentive to hoard it overseas.
Fix it? Start state banks, like North Dakota's, who will actually lend money to people rather than putting it into derivatives. Make that free-to-get money go to people who need it. Build roads. Replant forests. Build a real seawall for New Orleans. Rebuild Louisiana's wetlands. Build solar power farms in the desert, and build a new transmission grid to move the power to where it is needed. So much to do, but no incentive to give it to workers to do anything when financial instruments make so much more money than lending money to entrepreneurs to open factories.
Probably just out of bandwidth. Verizon says their 4G service in the area is overloaded but texting is working. Boston.com was redirecting to their own blog for a while, but now they're back up on their main site.
Ok... Pure speculation, but what I would do if I was designing an anti-terrorist plan.
Imagine you have immediate access to all cell phone activity in the country. There are reported reasons to believe that this is true...
ASAP prepaid cellphone lockout in the area, and possibly nationwide or just rich target areas.
Almost immediately thereafter cellphone number of the triggers and what phone called them. (This can be done by simply looking at calls that weren't answered at the right time and right location),
Tracking of location of calling phone, to within a cell tower.
Time tracking of triggered phones and calling phone, within a relatively short period of time. Proximity (time/location) to any other preferably pre-paid phones, this will give an indication to additional devices.
Transmit to authorities continual location of calling phone.
Full time tracking of triggered phones. To give location of origin of bomb making, number of devices, time of plot, testing of devices.
Take down of bomb making site.
Additional features I am sure.
All within hours, max. I am sure that this would have been scripted for almost immediate action. Who knows what the constitutional implications are.
Except they'd be more likely to attack a government building. Not people celebrating Patriot's day.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I'll take the bet you ignorant, self righteous, pathetic welfare state piece of shit.
McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views_and_religious_beliefs
McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military,[84] but voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections.[85] McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[86] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[87] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[88] In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[86] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[89][90] In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic.[91] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[92]
AND... the analysis here is , by and large, logical and rational. Compare that to the wildly inaccurate, scoop-driven 24 hour news cycle. In a pinch, I'd rather hear from people who think for a living.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
And, after those generations, we'd rid the world of the threat. They'd go the way of the Nazi or the Imperial Japanese.
I read about it on google news, caught the facts from several sources, then came to /. to see what my idiot nerdy colleagues thought about the news. Anyone coming to slashdot for breaking news are the same folk who use /. poll results for any useful stats...
"As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
They're not legal everywhere -- in many areas, people can't even set off "safe" fireworks on the 4th of July anymore due to the cost of sending the fire department out to handle calls or minor fires, let alone anything more exciting.
Now mostly at Usenet:comp.misc & SoylentNews.org (it's made of people!)
Except they'd be more likely to attack a government building. Not people celebrating Patriot's day.
I was a few miles away from the OKC bombing when it happened. Guess where his target was? That's right, the day-care center.
I'll take the bet you ignorant, self righteous, pathetic welfare state piece of shit.
Geez, now why might we get the idea that right wingers are violent?
In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
Which is why it is so resilient and scales well.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Look, I'm opposed to almost all the legislation that has been proposed or passed since Sandy Hook. I realize that assault rifle is just a name.
But you are dead wrong on this.
Just because you have an article from January that got the facts wrong does not make it correct. Even the freaking coroner said he used the AR-15. The long gun recovered from the trunk was a shotgun.
Certainly, if laws "currently on the books" were enforced (both "to the letter" and "in the spirit of"), we would have a better chance of preventing attacks such as this.
Ahh yes, well we can all dream of the day when each person has their own government owned drone to follow them around that can instantly issue a ticket for all infractions of the law. What a utopian world that would be!
Maybe if we had a more reasonable penal code, absolute enforcement of the laws would be a good thing, but when you can break dozens of laws in your every day life without even being aware, that's a sign that there are too many laws, giving police too much power to decide when to enforce them. No one can even tell you how many laws there are, let alone recite them all. There are thousands of criminal laws just at the federal level, spread over tens of thousands of pages. Add in the government rules that can also make you a a law breaker, there are hundreds of thousands.
And you think we'd be better off if every law was enforced "to the letter"?
it would be headline news for nerds if a terrorist blew up a computer
That's only because you haven't been a victim of it. I'm pretty sure if you were one of the people with their limbs blown off you'd be singing a different tune. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just trying to keep this in perspective.
This is assuming that every "victim" (however you define it) is willing to trade security for their civil rights? I doubt it would make much of a difference on how I feel about keeping civil rights if I or one of my children were injured or killed in an incident like this. Demanding police actually do their job and stop this BS that can be called "security theater" and instead actually gathering information and finding the "bad guys" who are doing these silly things is more what I would be demanding.
In other words, I would want to have officers on patrol and to have the American government stop doing stupid things that cause other cultures to be angry with America. It doesn't need an increase in anybody's budget either, and I'll even admit that you can't be 100% successful in catching all of the idiots in this world. Furthermore, if there is a foreign government involved with this kind of activity, bomb the hell out of that government and teach them to never do this kind of shit again or it will be returned with interest. Make sure that heads of state are prime targets together with their legislative buildings as well, not to mention military headquarters too.
If this is some domestic nut job, there is absolutely nothing more that really could have been done other than tracking the idiot down who did this and making sure he lands in prison.
I'd agree that it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth, disk space, etc. for /. to bother with it. Unless, of course, it turns out eventually that there's an interesting tech component to the story.
Bombs are technology.
$10 says this was militant tea baggers. They all post so much crazy shit about killing people on facebook and eventually one of them snaps and acts on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act) profit?
I don't see a word of violence there. But then again, fucktards like yourself scream "racist" anytime anyone disagrees with your president. You don't give a fuck about the facts. You'll twist shit around. You'll lie and cheat to get your own way. You just want to be a hateful fuck who spreads schism. I hope it comes back to bite you in the ass in the worst of ways.
Methinks thou dost protest too much
Not enough fireball black smoke radiant energy, the bomb had that homemade white smoke - black powder look, not that I'd know. Yeah, teabagger malcontent, bubba meets earl terrorists, would be a good guesses.
They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
"When somebody you don't even know declares open war on you, and underhandedly and violently attacks you, you do things you normally wouldn't do."
That's when they shut you up and send you to a mental hospital. The powers that be are at hand here. What is worse, is that all these so-called "disasters" could be prevented but the person(s) responsible for it fail to act or do the best they can to minimize it. It's a chess game of politics in which "might makes right" prevails and therefore, people are allowed to fail.
(Btw, you made a great statement with which I agree)
The bad element of Occupy protests involve juvenile delinquency, not stuff that often leads to domestic terrorism. The bad element of Tea Party protests sees themselves as the last stand before the collapse of civilization by some sort of muslim atheist communist takeover. The second group is far more likely too fall into the terrorist mindset.
Either way judging a group by its craziest member doesn't tell you much about the group. For me the only way their political allegiance becomes significant is if the perpetrator was actually accepted by the movements mainstream.
I stole this Sig
used as an excuse to take away more rights
i think this is given
no need to speculate or make bets
only ignorant fools are yet to wake up and realize that this is all part of a carefully organized plot
i don't claim to know the entirety of such plot or how and when it will play out, but i wouldn't be surprised if collapse of the united states dollar and economy is part of it, possibly to give rise to a global currency based on special drawing rights from the international monetary fund... then those who control the federal reserve will have unlimited global power and wealth. dunno how the whole world war 3 conspiracy fits in though... if the whole world is irradiated and 90% of the population dies off, for those in power it would probably be like having a chess board with no pieces left; surely they need slaves and resources to manipulate, even if for no particular reason other than to keep them fat and entertained.
watch what obama does carefully... there is no doubt that he will implement new executive orders to "protect americans" from future "domestic terrorists" (read the united states government will forcefully confiscate any "unauthorized" resource, be it information, materials, chemicals, guns, ammunition, etc).
I was on my way to pay those taxes...
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
$10 says this was militant tea baggers. They all post so much crazy shit about killing people on facebook and eventually one of them snaps and acts on it.
Don‘t you mean £10? It’s hard to believe any American would be so clueless about the Tea Party.
If you are looking for bomb makers among political activists in the United States, here is a hint or two on where to look.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
He was attacking a federal building. Please continue to talk. I'm interested in seeing if you can spew forth more idiocy.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Which is why we need to do away with those laws that ban murder, stealing, rape and piracy (the kind you do with a boat) - cause they are CLEARLY worthless as "outlaws" keep committing those crimes, and all they are good for is preventing "law abiding citizens" from returning in kind.
Murder, theft, rape, and other crimes commonly thought of as felonies by ordinary citizens (forget what a legislature says on the topic, I'm talking the big ones that are common in almost any society at any time period), it isn't that laws ban these activities.... they just promise that if you commit them that you will be prosecuted and that your liberties will be taken away on either a temporary or permanent basis for having engaged in those acts.
Being declared an "outlaw" used to mean that you were literally outside of the law and unfit for making any claim upon the law for protection. In ancient times you could literally kill, rape, steal from, or do whatever you pleased to an outlaw because they quite literally were outside of the law. That was their punishment for choosing not to conform to society's laws and ignoring the courts in the first place. Sadly, it is the outlaws that have rights now and it is ordinary citizens trying to obey the law that has their rights stripped from them.
Wakka Wakka!
I don't have actual hard numbers, but I'm figuring on it taking at least 2-3 seconds to eject a magazine and slot another one in. If the weapon is capable of firing 10 rounds/second, that ought to slow down the total number of deliverable bullets/second. Plus, even with the best of practice, Joe Whacko is going to be distracted by changing magazines to the detriment of tracking - or shooting at - anything else going on. Which is why I think probably most people are concerned more about the legal magazine size than almost anything else.
Scary-looking weapons may make good press for legislators who want to hold them up and look like they're doing something, but that just means that the next nut that comes along with something that didn't look scary enough will set the pot boiling all over again. It's ultimately not how the gun looks that's at fault, it's how much real damage it can do in the hands of the incompetent.
If a 20-round magazine is illegal locally but easily obtainable in a day trip to another county or state, it really doesn't matter where it's illegal. For Whacko's purposes, it's practically on the table already. That's where Federal controls come in, by making it equally difficult to obtain everywhere. It cannot be made impossible to keep Joe's greasy little mitts off those high-capacity magazines, but if you make it hard enough, it ups the odds that someone will catch on before it's too late. Especially since most of these guys are already showing malfunctions to begin with.
He was attacking a federal building. Please continue to talk. I'm interested in seeing if you can spew forth more idiocy.
The day care center of a federal building. He intentionally killed a disproportionately large number of children.
Even if I am wrong about the AR not being used (and I still am iffy on it even after reading the medias take on it) Obama is being dishonest about gun violence
http://americanlivewire.com/sandy-hook-fully-automatic-weapon/
“Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon — by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.”
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
He intentionally killed them, did he? Do you know this because you looked in his mind? Please tell us of your wonderful mind reading powers.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
If you didn't do anything wrong, why then were you running?
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
I would want to have officers on patrol and to have the American government stop doing stupid things that cause other cultures to be angry with America.
You lost me there. These people aren't "angry with America" they are angry with the world. America could disappear tomorrow and they would just find another country to bomb. This is a religious quest for them. Anything and anyone different from them has to die.
Here come the bleeding hearts to tell me I need to pass a background test before I buy 100 lbs of ball bearings and 500 lbs of fertilizer. I need them for hunting, and for maximum-retaliation-style self defense.
I don't have actual hard numbers, but I'm figuring on it taking at least 2-3 seconds to eject a magazine and slot another one in. If the weapon is capable of firing 10 rounds/second, that ought to slow down the total number of deliverable bullets/second.
Machine guns are already illegal almost everywhere. All these "assault weapons" are semi-auto, much like a cowboy revolver - one trigger pull, one bullet. Full auto would actually be better IMO, because it's usually quite inaccurate and the shooter would just run out of ammo faster, and put most of his fire into the ceiling.
a 20-round magazine is illegal locally but easily obtainable in a day trip to another county or state,
The last time large-cap magazines were banned, existing magazines were grandfathered in and the manufacturers had plenty of notice to produce them before new production was outlawed. Vast warehouses were filled with high-cap mags, and the law ran out before the legal stock did. The law allowed seller to charge more for "pre-ban" magazines, and that was pretty much the only effect. Now that you can 3D-print your own, a law would have even less effect.
Any law should show a dramatic gain in social good for the reduction in freedom any new law entails. These stupid gun laws passed by people who don't understand the technology will reduce our rights, but have just as much effect on the technology as the DMCA-like laws written by people who don't understand the internet do on copying DVDs or whatever.
And anyhow we had a mass stabbing in a school (community college of some sort in California just this month. It's not the weapon: it's the nutjob.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
No disagreement there. Someone who doesn't understand the underlying mechanics of firearms has no business regulating said firearms.
There's so much confusion now. I'm turning the coverage off. The guy from Boston PD said the library explosion was related, and another guy said no, and the news is talking about a guy in custody, but the BPD says no and now we're hearing that the guy in custody was someone some civilians near the explosion thought was suspiciously muslim.
I think I'll just put a pin in this and revisit tomorrow. for all I know it's Quebec separatists or a rogue Mormon motorcycle gang.
You are welcome on my lawn.
How many general people know /. compared to CNN and other general news web sites? I am sure if everyone knew /., then /. would have problems. Reddit had problems earlier today. I am pretty sure it was related to this event. :(
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Fun fact, McVeigh called those children "Collateral Damage".
What has the Obama administration called children killed in drone strikes?..........Collateral Damage.
The problem is that technology has advanced to the point where creating those jobs is too expensive, and they employ highly skilled people who have no trouble finding a job anyway.
You no longer need 500 ditch diggers for your canal, it's a few engineers and skilled equipment operators.
A similar thing is happening to labor as happened to capital, it is all concentrating on the top few percent because of the force multipliers of technology and automation.
There are a some possibilities, but they are all politically unpalatable:
- Universal Basic Income (start low and increase until enough people drop out and live on it to make unemployment hit your desired %)
- Legally mandated (and enforced) maximum working hours (Start at 40 and drop until unemployment hits your desired %)
- Massive Bullshit Makework projects
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
I have a friend living in Ecuador and the biggest surprise he found is that he can't get baking soda at the grocery store. Apparently there's some way to make some explosive where one of the steps involves baking soda as a reagent. So, a bombing happened one time, and apparently (unless I've been very obscurely punked) they banned baking soda in response.
America will not be safe while baking soda can threaten our children! You bitter clingers with your buttermilk pancakes and your Irish soda bread are just holding on to obsolete notions!
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It doesn't matter what you think of President or our collapsing system - the people are to blame for the BS that is in the "news". Bomb proof public trash cans?? they exist but we won't pay for them... that would raise taxes. We'd like them and somebody can get points for saying we need them but we won't pay for it and if we do we'll throw out whomever is responsible for spending our money. Even this is just a side issue:
If people weren't such drama queens there would be no point in performing such acts. Stuff happens and a lot more in other places in the world; oh, there is a much larger world beyond North America. 2 people died, some were hurt. nothing important to see, move on. More likely somebody you know will be hurt in their car tomorrow... but you all are not giving it a second worth of thought.
A Monsanto exec kills more people every day.
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You mis-understand. I don't live in your country. And I have zero intent to do so. Your economy isn't exactly the greatest now, and you're about to lose my business dollars and my tourism dollars. I'm responsible for approximately $200'000 annual dollars into your country. And I'm taking them away from you. You don't know how to read -- which is a different problem in your country. I'm currently purchasing your product. And this will be the last year that I do.
And like I said, not the middle east. There are certainly worse places to live. And there are many way better places. How can you possibly tolerate this? How many times in the last year has your news network spent days covering a single violent event? It's time to leave. Clearly you can't solve the problem.
And you may want to not be anonymous when you make an argument. They carries no weight if you won't admin to stating them.
You think there are states in the US where explosives can never be used, even for demolition or mining purposes? Does that actually sound reasonable to you?
So, these (& similar) Android app give audio on the event:
1. "Scanner Radio" app offers a list
- sorted by number of listeners -
of available online scanners, ie,
around USA & the world.
When I chose Boston police, fire, etc.
from that list (of course, it held top-place),
there were over 50,000 others listening-in.
Normally, numbers of listeners - across
the list - are under 500.
(If your area lacks an online-connected
scanning receiver & your have such a
receiver & some bandwidth to share,
why not consider adding your area's
emergency services audio to the list?)
2a. "TuneIn [Pro]" app is (yet another)
Internet Radio app; [Boston Univ Radio's]
WBUR stayed on the story -continuously-
from shortly after the event became known.
2b. Using the same app, one can get cur-
rent weather and detailed forecasts, also
on a continuous basis, from USA Weather
broadcasters (commercial-free, these are
available 24x7 - to those near the area of the
event - on 10 VHF channels near 162 MHz);
Boston's gov't weather station was available
via TuneIn (Search "By location" for Boston
for a list of all broadcasters - AM / FM / Wx,
including some located in nearby states).
3. "EchoLink" app - for Radio Amateurs -
let licensed Hams listen to & (in normal times)
even transmit on repeaters - most on 2m VHF
(around 146 MHz) & 70cm UHF (near 440 MHz)
- that would become active, especially when an
event (flood, earthquake, etc.) takes out normal
POTS or cellular phone & 2-way radio comms.
(If you're a Radio Ham, you can add your own
station (eg, home, office or vehicle radio) or
your club's repeater to the list. Whenever you
sign-in, you're on one of the lists, so friends
can contact you, on the fly. Also, EchoLink is
like an old-time phone-echange switchboard,
ie, able to connect repeaters, etc. together, eg,
to support relief operations after a larger dis-
aster or - during peaceful times - just a yacht-
or bike-race, etc.)
These apps work on Android phones & tab's
2.2 thru 4.1.2, in my experience. Of course,
YMMV.
I don't know what app's may be available for
iPhone, etc.
Well after September the 11th, I thought the same as the GP - slow down, take stock and work out who was actually responsible, rather than go "batshit insane". And then I thought "how would I feel if it were somebody I knew". Then after my cousin was killed in Bali I realised my thoughts hasn't changed.
Then again I grew up in Ireland in the 80s, so I've always known that retribution trends to be a bad idea. The London bombings didn't change my views either.
The problem is that until 9/11, Americans were lucky not to have experienced terrorism to the extent, unfortunately it also meant that your politician's reactions *were* "batshit inane" when it came to dealing with it. I'm not trying to belittle what happened - it certainly was horrific.
As for open warfare - don't fool yourself, it was nothing of the sort. The reason that large scale attacks haven't happened on yours (or my) soil for years is because the terrorists who have the stomach to go out and kill themselves aren't very good at repeat performances. Look at today - yes it was a shock, but as if now, two people are dead and 30 odd critically wounded.
we heard the media talking about it yes, and the media has been covering for the administration on the issue. notice how no one there has been brought in to be spoken to?
It's almost like Libya was another country that we don't have any way of policing!
It's not quite Iran 1979, but I'd consider it still to be 'hostile territory.'
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Just to follow up:
If it's a terrorist attack, then it's stuff that matters.
If it's an exploding gas line then it's new for nerds.
When the truth comes out, small article on page 9, next to K. Kardashian's ass.
The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
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haha yeah gotta love that movie
"directly in the buttocks"
Somebody has a problem with that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti
Multiple bombings involved. I once looked at a house which had replaced the one in which one of the jurors lived - it was damaged by an anarchist bomb in 1927 and had to be torn down.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
go fuck your sheltered complacent self.
says he from the nanny state
Let us assume that the act is due to a jihadi. The solution is clear, strike at the *ideology* of jihadis. At the moment the US is fighting a war on jihadi terrorism but completely ignoring (or, under the Obama Administration, suppressing) the *facts* about Islamic ideology that grows these jihadis. Just wait for the media to start using the words "extremist" which is a complete lie - jihad is a mainstream and central tenet of Islam. Until the US is honest about the problem it is facing it will never win. At the moment the Us is on a course to becoming progressively Islamicised under the guidance of Leftist "political correctness". Until the US tells the truth about Islamic teachings it cannot win the important war - the *ideological* one. Once the US properly understands the teachings of Islam as Muslims believe them (not as Western apologists do) then the Free World has a chance of surviving the coming Caliphate.
Yeah, somehow the bots are more intelligible than most of their actual human comments.
Really makes you lose faith in humanity, doesn't it?
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
they aren't even a real country anyway
So far as the Benghazi incident didn't prompt calls for immediate changes in domestic policy like Sandy Hook did, have you considered that might be because Benghazi isn't in the USA so there's fuck all changes to domestic policy that would be relevant to "preventing the next Benghazi"?
Of course, when it comes to foreign policy, it's possible that if the US military stopped trying to covertly smuggle arms through 'peaceful' embassies to Al-Qaeda-affilliated terrorist factions in Syria in direct contravention of the international antiterrorism treaties they themselves set up, then the other side might stop treating those 'diplomatic' bases as the illegal military bases they actually are.
But strangely the Republicans don't seem concerned about that Benghazi scandal.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
especially the poor... there should be hand grenade stamps handed out with food stamps
1. Fox News is probably already in the process of finding a way to blame Barack Obama.
Assuming this was a jihadi attack then the Obama Administration is to blame. It has purged all association between Islamic jihad and terrorism from the Department of Defence, FBI, CIA etc. No wonder, The Administration is *thoroughly* penetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood (as even the Egyptians attest to: http://www.investigativeproject.org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates)
It turns out that Fox appears to be telling the truth about the threat of jihad in the US. The Left and Leftist media have done a very very good job of keeping you in the Matrix so that you don't see what is going on. Hence, this attack is a surprise, as was the attack in Benghazi (which has been covered up by Obama - notice that not one of the 30+ survivors have been permitted to speak - because it would ruin the pro-Islamicist agenda of the Obama Administration).
Wake up global citizens. Islam is making war on you, *every day*. Their motivation for this is the Qur'an, hadiths and sira. Nothing the US or Israel has done or will do will change this. Islam is determined to make you submit to their political system. This is a fight to the death between the 21st Century and the medieval Islamicists. Appeasement won't work.
no, you're a horrible person for listening to vengaboys
The problem is the US is lying to itself. It kills what it thinks are "extremists" when in fact it should be going after the *mainstream* Islamic ideology that calls for jihad. The Free World is losing the fight because most people are in denial about the true (evil!) nature of the political system called Islam.
This. I'm actually far more afraid of what the government will do in response to stuff like this than actually being a victim of something like this.
That's only because you haven't been a victim of it. I'm pretty sure if you were one of the people with their limbs blown off you'd be singing a different tune. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just trying to keep this in perspective.
Betting pools are now open.
Which TLA in 2 months will suddenly get sweeping new powers here in the U.S. as a result of this?
DHS
TSA
FBI
And as a side bet, what will the decibel level be of the thunderous applause generated by the American public in response to these new far reaching powers granted for their safety and protection?
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He was injured in the blast, but is not currently a suspect and law enforcement officers say he is not in custody.
With respect to Syria (or pick any random mideast country for that matter), why would it matter who was involved. See for instance 9/11, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
Apparently, he was doing something suspicious. Specifically, he was running away from the explosions.
Don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure running away from explosions is the NORMAL reaction, not a "suspicious activity".
Which is a roundabout way of saying "you're probably right, he looked too Muslim"....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
*The Chinese
*The Russians
*The Muslims
*The non-Whites
*The anti-capitalists
Who else ??
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
the probabilities are way off
I don't really care what the nutter wants or what their ideals are
1) find those who planted the bombs and what their ideals are 2) shoot them 3) bomb those who hold similar ideals
is that you mr wolfowitz?
...if there were any drones flying overhead at the time of the explosions?
Guess it's too soon to make points that, if someone wants to kill other people, they can do it no matter what is legal or illegal?
Let's investigate that logic.
Since what works between individuals ought to work between states, then it's obvious that any country that wants to attack another country with nuclear weapons will do it whether or not they are legal or illegal, so let's abandon all international nuclear proliferation frameworks and hand out plutonium pellets in the UN lobby like candy.
Oops. Perhaps, after all, there is a difference between wanting to commit a crime and having the ready means available to do it efficiently?
Let's try that logic from the other side.
If someone wants to kill, they will do it with or without a gun, using a knife or a baseball bat.
Therefore, it's obvious that guns are exactly as efficient killing weapons as baseball bats.
Therefore therefore, anyone being attacked by a thug with a gun only needs to display a baseball bat and the thug will run.
Therefore therefore therefore, nobody ever needs to buy any more guns. All gun stores can convert to sporting goods stores, and people will be exactly as safe as before. The firearms industry and large chunks of military defense contractors, can close down overnight, saving the US citizen and taxpayer millions of dollars.
Q.E.D.
Hope that helps! You can send me the cheque for solving the sequester crisis later.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
Not sure why I should care what Mark Twain thinks on freedom. The only thing you quote him as saying that I agree with is we will never be 100% safe. Some people are more willing to give up freedom in order to gain the illusion of safety. I am not.
"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
I've had no trouble refuting your arguments. You're certainly right about a cute little nickname. But a consistent alias that represents you globally across time means that you can't abandon your arguments later. Anonymous means you can. Anonymous means you don't stand beside your arguments.
I'm not lying about the $200'000. I own a business, and spend over $40'000 annually on U.S. suppliers. I also organize a car club of 150 members, planning trips for the group. Each trip typically has members spending $1'000 per person including gas and food. Easy math dude.
In December, I cancelled the trips to the U.S., directing them elsewhere instead -- to peaceful places without any terrorism in their entire history.
In January, I contracted new suppliers for my business, to replace the U.S. ones. By the end of June, I'll have transitioned 80% of my business. By the end of the calendar year, 100%.
Welcome to consequences. Your country has serious problems, and you aren't solving any of them. Not housing, not education, not science, not deficit, not violence, and not death in your streets. You don't deserve my support, and you won't be getting my money.
What have you done to improve the situation in your country? I'm saying that it's reached the point where it's your responsibility. Either fix it or leave. It's simply no longer acceptable. You've literally got children being torn apart in the streets. Whatever you've done hasn't worked.
I imagine that I'm not the last one to pull out of supporting your failing economy. You can decide how many people, or dollars, it'll take before you decide that people like me matter. But judging by what I've seen you do recently, I presume you'll just let your country go down the drain until there's nothing left. You already don't have any money left. I wonder what's next.
The obvious solution is to have all marathon runners carry AR -15s - with 50 round magazines. That out of the way - my condolences and support for the deceased and wounded and to quote Jack Burton - "son of a bitch must pay!!!!!"
And then there will be another threat. The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
Face it: Violence will not bring peace.
Wow, you're seriously going to sit here and defend McVeigh as having unintentionally killed people? And you ask why people think you're nuts?
Tell me again how MORE GUNS would have prevented this??? Tell me how MORE GUNS would result in fewer homicides each year.
They do not result in fewer homicides, but they do not result in more, either. If you need proof for that assertion, go look up violent crime statistics for Australia for 90s and 00s, and compare them before and after their gun ban (which involved a large-scale buyback program, so it actually significantly reduced the number of guns that citizens held) that happened in 1996-97.
There's no need to join the NRA and fill your house with guns unless you are specifically interested in them, or feel the need to carry. But it would be highly appreciated if you didn't vote in politicians and support regulation (such as the assault weapons ban) restricting the ability of other law-abiding citizens to have and use guns, when said regulation has a proven track record of yielding no positive side effects whatsoever.
Violence only produces one result: more violence
Only if you don't finish the job.
Correct. It is political Islam that motivates them far far more than the actions of the West. It is best to stop listening to the narrative of the political Left and left-leaning mainstream media that blames the West, US and Israel. The fact is that jihadis are motivated by the *mainstream* doctrines of Islam (calling it "extremism" shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what Islam actually commands - but then the media and politicians are usually even more ignorant than many in the public).
No, violence is a means to and end. The problem is when violence becomes and end unto itself.
Why to Arabs attack us? They've told us repeatedly, because they view our interventions in the region as an assault on their culture and right to self rule. So they attack us in retaliation. The leaders at home don't blame their bad foreign policy, but say that they are attacking because "they hate us for our freedom" and so they attack the Arabs back, which only makes it all the easier for the Arabs to recruit new members to attack again. Our "leaders" are trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline onto it.
Now you of course you may ask, If they know we're going to strike back, why do they attack us if they want us to leave them alone? Because they know that the American government won't leave them alone no matter how many times they say please, so they attack knowing that we will try to go after them. Their violence is simply a means to an end, that end is to bankrupt the American Military-Industrial complex so the US government is forced to leave because they are defeated economically. They know that we have to spend $1000 in the middle east to counter every dollar they spend. They know that every bullet we fire, every bomb we drop, every solider we send, brings them one step closer to victory. Sure some of them say they want the world to all be ruled by Islam, but they're practical people and realize that they're not gonna launch an invasion of the mainland US.
The correct thing to do is give them what they want, leave them along and let people buy the oil at whatever price it is selling for. The number of people they can send over to us is little more than a lethal nuisance and can be easily dealt with here. With us gone, the many Arab factions will lose a common enemy and within a decade they will go back to fighting each other like they have done for hundreds of years and not give us a second thought.
No, it's because you are *far* more likely to be a victim of government oppression than you are of a terrorist attack.
See: NSA warrantless wiretapping, the TSA, stingray phone communication interception with a warrant obtained on deceitful premise, increasingly violent LEOs, a myriad of ways you can be in violation of laws you aren't even allowed to know exist...
And, after those generations, we'd rid the world of the threat. They'd go the way of the Nazi or the Imperial Japanese.
Do you mean these Nazis?
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
I didn't defend him, I mocked you for trying to throw your prejudices on any convenient target. I'll bet you're the kind of person who blames the other political party for all the problems in government, as well.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I was pretty resigned to the fact that nothing could be done before it happened. There are too many attack vectors and too many potential actors. The attacker gets to choose his time and place. If he is part of an organized network, you have some hope of infilitration and intelligence foiling some plots, sure.
Lone nutbags or spontaneous groups? Good luck. Seriously, they will just keep picking low hanging fruit and using whatever means they have available.
What could have stopped the "Killdozer"? (which was admittedly not terribly lethal to people, more property damage).
Nutbags using bombs or guns do so because its what they can use. To think they can't choose differently is to seriously underestimate their motivations. Do you really think anything can be done about explosives?
I had no doubt that some bombing like this would happen, and another school will get shot up too, and one bombed. Its going to happen. That knowledge however is not really actionable information, its impossible to predict the next event.
Why should I think we need to change regulations over something that I had already accepted would happen? I may not have known it would happen within 8 miles of my house. I didn't know it would be on patriots day at the marathon, but I knew somebody, someday would bomb a crowd of people. Don't get me wrong, its not comfortable to know how close to home it was, but no good comes of making changes based on every tragedy just to feel better.
You know thats exactly how we ended up with the patriot act. I laugh when I hear 9/11 was an "inside job" or "they allowed it to happen". The real truth is so much more subtle and worst. It was sitting in a drawer just waiting for the next tragedy so it could be brought out. Its not a matter of if, sometimes its only a matter of when, and it is only ever going to be.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Okay then, who do your predjudices tell you he was trying to kill? Clearly your predjudices lead you to assume I adhere to a political party (wrong, btw). My home city was bombed by right wing militants, so I think I have a bit more perspective than you when it comes to armed right wing nut jobs that talk about starting revolutions.
Copley Square in Boston is a "hop skip and a jump" from MIT.
Hmmm ... A quick check shows that it's actually on the order of a kilosmoot, if you take the obvious route of going south on Mass Ave, hanging a left on Comm Ave, and a right at Dahtmouth. That's quite a lot of hops, skips and jumps, at least for a normal-size human.
Someone oughta try it, though, and report the actual number of hop+skip+jump units it takes them to make the trip. Or maybe organize a team of people of different sizes, and report the mean of their counts.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
You're going to get exactly the type of government you deserver and go fuck yourself when it happens because my wallet will be closed to your sorry ass
If he gets the government he thinks he wants, your wallet - along with everyone else's - will be open to the Glorious State, which will provide us with bread lines and busy work.
Luckily, we passed those laws a couple decades ago.
No, we didn't, and part of the problem is that people think we did.
terrorism was originally state originated (e.g. Reign of Terror in France), but in the revolutionary scheme of things, the idea behind terrorism is to create a feeling in the population that the government is unable to control things, and that they should rise up and overthrow the government (particularly if you're a nihilist), or throw the government out (e.g. the Irgun driving the British out of Palestine in the 40s). The IRA bombings in England are another example: an attempt to make the English population rise up and demand that their government stop their activities in Ireland.
Roadside IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan are not terrorism: they're simply guerilla warfare.
Diplomacy generally does not work to prevent classic terrorism, because diplomacy works with the government, and the terrorist is trying to tear down the government by creating a crisis of confidence in the population, to replace it with a better one.
There are also psychopaths who like the commotion and excitement from the bombing. Not unlike the arsonist.
We didn't all go batshit crazy. I'm as annoyed with the security theater as anyone else. OTOH, since we live in an NYC suburb, my wife and I personally knew two people who were killed and one who was injured by falling debris, and two couples who had to move out of their homes until the poisonous cloud settled down. Our son had multiple schoolmates who lost a parent.
You seem to be implying that there are things we should be doing that would prevent future such acts. So what should we be doing?
Hm. How about stopping the destruction of the American middle class? How about having the police actually acting like they are there to serve the public rather than to be the servants of the political elite? How about not pushing so many tens of thousands into grinding poverty every month?
I dunno. How about just not acting like assholes so there are fewer people motivated to act like assholes to us?
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I read your post history expecting to find some angry guy, but actually I found you are quite calm and collected, even when people are writing rude comments to you. That made me happy, good job.
Instead I found that your biggest weakness is that you make a lot of arguments from ignorance, and seem to actually believe them. For example, I found you can't figure out how minimum wage would reduce employment, therefore you come to the conclusion that it doesn't. Well, that's wrong, you just don't understand it.
So stop making arguments from ignorance and you'll be wiser.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Clearly the Slashdot community in general does not agree, as stories like this always end up attracting far more comments than the rest of the day's stories (including yours - if you think it is a waste of bandwidth, why are you even reading the story and ensuing discussion let alone posting comments in it?).
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This comment is +5 insightful? Whelp, it was a nice ride, /. I'm off to reddit.
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As an American who is sufficiently aware of just how vile and gruesome said records are, I concur that a lot of us went crazy and still are. It escalates conflict, it sets a bad example that other countries imitate, and it wastes a lot of energy and resources.
Be there for the people who are hurting and scared as a result of these attacks, instead of spending a lot of time on fear and loathing of the culprits. You'll feel better and come out of it less of a monster. You know, "United we stand."
Hard to say definitively without knowing much details about who was behind it, but if it is some nut job as these things often are, then better mental health care would be a good step in the right direction.
1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
Machine guns are already illegal almost everywhere.
I'm pretty sure you have to pass a strict background check and pay a $200 fee, but I know it's possible. Same with silencers/suppressors. Otherwise, this man would be in jail by now.
> I had to sit through weeks . . .
Really? All that? Compare that to the Watergate scandal reporting which went on for years.
Watergate was just a burglary, nobody was murdered.
The Bengazi cover-up scandal has been swept under the rug by the 90% liberal democrat pop-media.
From the article you linked:
Editor's note: Connecticut State Police have confirmed that Adam Lanza did, in fact, use a Bushmaster .223 high capacity rifle and two hand guns. As far as we can tell, NBC has not issued a retraction
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Because the damage and death toll is vanishingly small compared to the deaths caused by unpublicized crime during the same five minute period in the rest of the country?
Actually, it is more like a few hours' worth of typical nationwide crime.
Of course most criminals don't want the publicity, but the Boston Marathon is a world-famous event.
The media are giving the perpetrators the publicity they desire, because all they care about is page clicks, ratings and copies sold.
Standy by for copy-cat bombings now.
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time, everyone will make vicious pronouncements, and they won't forget about it. In either case, little if anything will be done that's relevant to preventing future such acts.
This bombing is similar to the foiled MLK day bombing in Seattle that turned out to be some crazy neo-Nazi. And by "foiled" I mean someone basically stumbled on the bomb before it went off in the middle of a very crowded parade.
As a former resident of Boston, that city will always have a special place in my heart. Attacking the marathon is just the lowest of lows. I hope they catch whomever did this and lock them up for good in the rapiest prison they can find and don't turn it into some empty-headed left versus right shouting match on cable news.
Actually, I wrote my thesis on life experience.
My point about the minimum wage is that it only loosely correlates to employment, as employers will pay the absolute minimum they can per employee, regardless of the benefit they see from the employee. It might hurt some businesses at the margins, and increase prices a bit, but could seriously put a dent in our poverty problem.
As for McVeigh.. Maybe his target was just feds, but I really do think he targeted the day care for maximum effect, though I can't prove it. I have grown up around right wingers (many in my family), and I've seen a disturbingly casual attitude from them regarding killing people that don't agree with them, including attitudes toward killing children (though they think fetuses are sacred, for some reason). I'm really not trying to bait when I say that I think this was a right wing nut job(s), I have seen enough of them in my lifetime that I would not be at all surprised if one of them went and did the kind of thing that they joke about all time.. If you saw my FB feed, you would just see my extended family doing nothing but posting jokes about killing liberals and/or brown people all day. Somewhere out there is someone who takes this shit seriously, and I think it's more likely than not that this bombing in Boston was done by just such a person. So I'm just calling my guess.
My point about the minimum wage is that it only loosely correlates to employment, as employers will pay the absolute minimum they can per employee, regardless of the benefit they see from the employee. It might hurt some businesses at the margins, and increase prices a bit, but could seriously put a dent in our poverty problem.
You should really buy an economics book.
The rest of your post.....isn't that the same as saying video games caused someone to kill? BTW it entertains me that you think having your town bombed would give you more perspective on the topic, when it could as easily narrow your perspective.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
in fact have worked their asses off to specifically preserve your constitutional rights.
Let's see -- what has the Tea party accomplished -- blocked Obamacare? nope. Stopped taxes from going up? nope. Stopped the Patriot act? nope.
Oh, I know, they knocked off a bunch of marginal republicans, isolated the party from hispanics and more than 50% of the white population and then blew up.
Damn am I glad there was a tea party.
My point about the minimum wage is that it only loosely correlates to employment, as employers will pay the absolute minimum they can per employee, regardless of the benefit they see from the employee. It might hurt some businesses at the margins, and increase prices a bit, but could seriously put a dent in our poverty problem.
You should really buy an economics book. The rest of your post.....isn't that the same as saying video games caused someone to kill? BTW it entertains me that you think having your town bombed would give you more perspective on the topic, when it could as easily narrow your perspective.
I'm just saying that if several million right wingers say it in jest, a few of them aren't going to get the joke, and think it's for real. I've been all over, and I've seen many kinds of people, but the only kind that scare me more than right wingers are meth addicts (there tends to be some overlap there, which leads to a very scary combination). Liberals might say some dumb shit from time to time, but they don't often go around proposing to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them the way right wingers tend to. As for the economics thing.. If you're really worried about the minimum wage, you're looking in the wrong place in terms of employment costs. Obamacare is going to roughly double the cost of hiring a minimum wage employee, compared to the 20% pay increase from a wage hike. If we went the sensible route and had a tax-based health care system like every other country in the first world employers wouldn't have to shoulder that burden. A basic income might be a better system than a minimum wage from an economics perspective, but that has exactly zero chance of ever happening in the US.
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Liberals might say some dumb shit from time to time, but they don't often go around proposing to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them the way right wingers tend to.
Liberals who do that are called goths
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Liberals might say some dumb shit from time to time, but they don't often go around proposing to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them the way right wingers tend to.
Liberals who do that are called goths
No, they're called anarchists.. I've met a few of them, too. Jackasses like the ones in Seattle during the G8 (or 6, or whatever, can't remember what the number was) or in the ALF. They're out there, but they're not nearly as common as the right wingers. What freaks me out isn't that there are *some* right wingers that do this, it's that *most* right wingers are cavalier in their attitude about killing.
I think you'd need to do a survey or something to see if most are cavalier like you say, more likely you just have a weird social circle.
A lot of people do threaten to use guns and kill, but it's an expression of powerlessness more than anything. They notice people get worried when they mention guns, so they mention them more.
Some city folk get in the same situation by threatening to sue every time something goes wrong
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Only on America - some nut-job bitching that the government trying to do something to make a difference after a load of children are murdered!
Well done. Give yourself a slap on the back and feel proud that you're defending your rights. "but its in the constitution and Ill use that to win every argumement with the red lefties". Yes it is. However the only reason the constitution doesnt have at the very top "the right not to be murdered" is that the people who wrote it didnt think anyone would be so fucking stupid that they need it written down explicitly.
Let us assume that the act is due to a jihadi. The solution is clear, strike at the *ideology* of jihadis. At the moment the US is fighting a war on jihadi terrorism but completely ignoring (or, under the Obama Administration, suppressing) the *facts* about Islamic ideology that grows these jihadis. Just wait for the media to start using the words "extremist" which is a complete lie - jihad is a mainstream and central tenet of Islam. Until the US is honest about the problem it is facing it will never win. At the moment the Us is on a course to becoming progressively Islamicised under the guidance of Leftist "political correctness". Until the US tells the truth about Islamic teachings it cannot win the important war - the *ideological* one. Once the US properly understands the teachings of Islam as Muslims believe them (not as Western apologists do) then the Free World has a chance of surviving the coming Caliphate.
You are completely correct. It is inevitable that the Muslims in the West will rise and try to end free society. Hell they even say that they will do it! In future we will face a battle like Spain did, eliminate the Muslims or die.
Granted there may be a sampling bias, but the social media age has made things much worse. my family, who were mostly apolitical when I was growing up, have mostly become conspiracy theorists since Obama took office. If you saw how mainstream this kind of shit is in places like Oklahoma, you might be concerned about it too.
Don't worry, son. You live in a Democracy. In Democracy, herd mentality protects you from anything egregious that a runaway government which listens not to its constituents or the Constitution might do.
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No. You're quite wrong.
In a police state, you are only preventing repeated acts of violence against the populace by the same individual or non-government organization.
You still have the one-off acts of terror, such as suicide bombers.
You still have governmental abuses and 'lack of oversight', such as drone bombings of children or plutocratic rape of the system and individuals. (And you will have a lot more of these.)
You will still have organized crime - and, in fact, a lot more of it, because it's demand goes up and it can only operate with the covert 'blessing' of the system.
You will also have things like a lot more unreported crime (fear of reporting the wrong person, or simple government involvement in your life - see people reporting burglaries in the UK and getting fines, sued and jail time for things like building code violations or 'hostile work environment').
The only people who benefit from a police state (also known as a totalitarian regime) are the people who are in power. Just ask anyone who's lived in a small town/county before (where there are fewer than 2k people within 30 miles of you, small). If you're not in power and with the cops, you're on the outside, regardless.
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You realize that if we were to effectively fight jihadist terrorism, Dearborn, MI, as well as various other locations in the US, would have to be depopulated with most of the inhabitants shot, deported, or jailed, right?
(There is Sharia by majority rule in Dearborn.)
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it will never happen, short of a no-punches-pulled Balkanized civil war.
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1) Fox News had a talking head expert short moments after the bombing occurred (an hour or two?) who said almost immediately that it's likely/probably a home grown terrorism attack, likely white supremacists.
2) Done.
3) Probably.
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No it isn't and you're deluded assertions don't alter that. There doesn't have to be a 'fight to the death' but you, and those like you, who ARE the problem would certainly bring one about if you got the chance.
Let's pretend I believe your rant for a moment. What is still missing from your post is ANY kind of suggestion for what you would want to DO. What is your proposed ACTION?
The only option I see from your post is total annihilation of Islam, and that means of all Muslims since brain-reprogramming does not work very well (definitely not on a large scale - and just threatening people will make them HIDE their beliefs, that's not brain re-programming).
Is THIS what you propose? So let's assume I'm a cold-hearted robot and not a human. Problem is, it would STILL not work: The more people you kill, the more opposition (and more and more violent opposition) you will get in your own ranks. Your own people won't let you kill millions of other people.
So it comes down to this: Your rant is just that, a rant. You have no solution whatsoever. What you propose is an eternity of mutual hate and hot air.
People skip right over the deaths to complain about their possible future loss of rights.
Yes, yes we do and I find your comment quite distasteful.
The thing is there are something like 100,000 deaths per day in the world from various causes, some tragic, some not. In abstract, one ca feel empathy for lives cut short and loved ones lost it is beyond rediculous to feel that I could spare a thought for them. I'd never get anything---including sleep---done.
So why these people? Why should I feel specially about people who I never met but whose death happens to be in the news?
I do not have enough in me to feel any more than sad in bastract for the death of people I have not met.
And here's the part where I find your post distasteful.
Do you feel for the poor bastards who were locked up and tortured in gitmo for 10 years and then released with no charges? Or at least a sense of righteous outrage?
That's what we got last time something like this happened. But you're focussing on the bostonians to the exclusion of those people.
So yes, it's right for people to look forward and worry about the future loss of rights becuase that has historically and will affect more people and likely cause more deaths too.
And this is why I like slashdot and its comments. People here feel less need to conform to odd ideas of how society feels people ought to react which has the largest emphasis on not being rational.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
There is a lot that can be done without expelling anyone. If the war against Islam is to be won (and it needs to be, it is clear it is a fight to the death) then the US needs to win the *ideological* battle. At the moment many citizens of the Free World (and supposedly well-informed people on Slashdot) either don't know or are in denial about the facts of the nature and aims of Islam. This bombing is only the start. The US cannot placate Islam with appeasement. The US will have to learn the lessons the Israelis did - you are hated because the Qur'an commands that all non-Moslems be hated and subjugated. Therefore, you will only survive if you are in a position of strength. At the moment the US is gradually being islamicized. It is a slow process so many US citizens not only don't notice, they foolishly and mistakenly see counter-jihadists as some kind of bigots - when it is only their own ignorance that prevents them from seeing the truth that the counter-jihadists are trying to point out.
Remember Americans and Europeans, the Middle East was once Jewish and Christian with no Muslims. If Isl
Slashdot is the ONLY place I've seen on the net so far where the majority of comments (at least the up-voted ones anyway) are talking about the potential for further restrictions of rights, drone strikes being the precipitation for the attacks, and general political shit slinging (despite the fact it could very well be just the result of a single dickhead who's got his own issues with whatever). Everyone else, from reddit to just general talking, is concerned about the actual attack and people's experiences more than anything else.
Yes the potential ramifications of what might happen as a result of this attack are important - but I have to ask why Slashdot commenters are the only ones so obsessed with talking about them RIGHT NOW. Are we so absolutely cynical about the world that this is all we can discuss? As if some people can't just be naturally evil and want to do this for their own gain regardless of what the US Government might be responsible for?
Apparently being anti-Steam is grounds for insults, even if there's basis. I shall learn to keep my mouth shut.
Hell they even say that they will do it!
Yes, they say it daily. The Muslims around the world certainly understand what is going on - they gloat about the coming Caliphate and what they will do to Free People.
The abuse that Israel is under is coming to all non-Muslim countries until they submit to Sharia. Note that even after a country becomes Muslim the violence doesn't stop, it actually gets worse as different Islamic sects are then free to slaughter each other without restraint (eg. see Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or Syria etc). As long as Israel stands it will be the shield of the rest of the world (that's what the symbol of their national flag is, ""Magen David", the Shield of David). All free nations need to stand together against the coming Caliphate (an Islamic political entity that will subvert the culture of and then subjugate nations one-by-one).
Democrats and Left-wingers, I urge you to start looking at the *facts* of what is going on, rather than following your *emotions* about what you think may be going on. The conservatives may have realised the nature and aims of political Islam earlier than you, but if you keep an open mind those same conservatives will try to give you the facts as they understand them. Islam's declared aim is to remove the Human Rights and liberties of all Free People and subjugate them under Sharia. If you think conservatives are the enemy then you are not seeing or thinking clearly. Islam is the enemy of all Free People.
See the facts of the number of killings going on *daily* by Islam (mostly Muslim on Muslim violence). The violence is caused by commandments in the Qur'an, not what the US or Israel has done (as the Left and Islamicists lie to you ad infinitum - to throw you off the true scent of their totalitarian aims until it is too late):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
sense of decency
Here, are you serious? People skip right over the deaths to complain about their possible future loss of rights.
I guess that's easy to complain about in a basement away from risk.
I travel all over the world, hardly a week goes by without being on a flight somewhere and staying in a hotel somewhere. From Islamabad to Gaza, from Boston to Mumbai.
I was in Joburg last week, a colleague survived an attempted carjacking leaving the office when I was there. He had a gun held to his head and the trigger was pulled. Fortunately the gun jammed and he got away.
Later the police found 3 casings and the bullet -- it had been struck, but didn't go off. One lucky guy.
I'm hardly hiding away in my basement, however I'm far more concerned about the erosion of rights than on any improvement "safety" that comes from events like this. Shit happens. If I had been in Boston this week, I'd be more likely to be run over than blown up.
The world has changed in the last 12 years, Slashdot is now a little fish in a much bigger pond. In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
Having live video coverage of a load of emergency services vehicles parked on the streets hours after a terrorist event is entirely useless in providing information.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
False. Stop projecting. Also, you are *wrong*. You are spouting your *opinion*. Here are the *facts*: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Notice how there are *multiple* Islamicist attacks around the World every day? doesn't your enormous ignorance concern you? don't do you feel even a tinge of guilt for trying to demonize those who know a fsck load more than you and are armed with facts rather than your wimpy and *false* opinions? It is apologists like you that are the problem. Your weak agenda has allowed the human-rights violating cancer of political Islam into tolerant societies. You are part of the problem yet you are too ignorant to understand it, yet. Fortunately the Islamicists state they are very very willing to provide many more examples for you on a daily basis until you finally wake to the *facts* of the situation - that political Islam is an evil totalitarian ideology that must be opposed by all moral Free People (which currently does not appear to include you - hopefully that will change as you learn more).
It's good to see that someone's worked everything out so quickly. You really are a fucking Renaissance guy, able to move from coding apps to change the ringtone on your phone to global political analysis in your break times. Well done!
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Actually, I do have a multi-pronged approach consisting of many items. Unfortunately I still think it is necessary for some kinetic action to be taken against those who would never listen (eg. Al Qaeda). Now it turns out that I actually believe that many Muslims are in fact moral and very law abiding. It just turns out that the set of morals and laws that they obey are barbaric 7th Century edicts that doctrine prohibits from evolving or even discussing. The ideological battle to be waged is *far far* more important than the kinetic battle, but both are necessary for victory. At the moment the US is losing, badly, because it has deluded itself into believing political Islam is the same as various personal faiths - yet it most clearly is not.
For the specifics of my suggestions I hope you will consider my post I put here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3651105&cid=43459335
Please note that I neither call for deportation nor extermination nor oppression of Muslims (a courtesy that Islamists are unwilling to extend to Kosovar Serbs, Iraqi Assyrians, Kurds scattered around the place, Armenians, Egyptian Copts, Indonesian Christians or Southern Sudanese). Let readers judge whether I am trying to be reasonable or not, while still opposing the evil totalitarianism of Islam and promoting the defense of Englightenment Liberties for all.
If you are interested in various aspects of Islamic Law (eg, how the OIC are using the UN to promote evil Sharia worldwide) or how jihad is not in any way an "extremist" Muslim doctrine (as the political left, leftist media, and Islamic apologists continually lie to you about) in the sense that it is, in fact, a *core and mainstream* Islamic doctrine. When an Islamicist says they "condemn terrorism" it never means they condemn jihad. They are condemning "illegal warfare", which in Sharia means those who oppose jihad. This is an example of the Islamic doctrine of lying called "tawriya". Citations for your enlightenment and pleasure:
http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1095-knowing-four-arabic-words-may-save-our-civilization-from-islamic-takeover.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0 "Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc "Stephen Coughlin, Part 5: The Role of the OIC in Enforcing Islamic Law "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t98WRrOPj2s "Stephen Coughlin, Part 3: Abrogation & the 'Milestones' Process"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y " Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner"
So, fellow Slashdotters, please let me cue you in. When the inevitable TV appearances have Muslims condemning terrorism there will be some genuine condolences (those that are good human beings, but bad Muslims) but more than a few will be practicing "tawriya" - saying something with the knowledge that you will interpret it in one way, while they view it as the complete opposite due to the different interpretation under (evil !!!) Sharia.
Do you ever actually read what you write? If not, than you have no clue how silly it makes you sound---in spite of your being quite articulate, actually. A shame.
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
Pretty much like most people on slashdot form what I've seen.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Tell me again how gun legislation would have prevented this???
Because you can have guns to keep the government in line or overthrow it if you don't like the way they respond to terror attacks. It's your right.
TMYK
At what point did the word "democracy" become a dirty one in the US?
Relying on armed strength is fascism, not democracy.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Jihad means many things. Most of those things have nothing to do with physical violence or death.
People like you really miss the Red Scare don't you?
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Most news sites don't have a decent comment system. At least on slashdot you get some intelligent postings, as well as some good jokes and a whole heap of paranoid right wing crap for entertainment.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Just because we're like minded, doesn't mean we agree.
On the whole we're interested in things like computers, robotics, science and technology in general, scifi etc. We're not (on the whole) interested in sports, soaps, or reality tv.
Please mod parent up. Very insightful, appropriate and scary example.
So the whole correlation between these attacks happening in places where revolutions have gone down, the abject poverty, the fact that bombs and other attacks mean that very few people can do lots of damage?
No, it's islam. Like I said, you probably spent weeks in depression when the cold war ended..
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
It was in a way a triumph for Slashdot, but also the start of the downfall.
Ever since 9/11 coverage Slashdot irreversibly changed. It gained a different demographic and turned distinctly more political. That in my opinion is when the tech content became more and more rare, with Your Rights Online section becoming most common types of stories posted.
Pity.
Whatever you class it as, it is still capable of firing 30 shots very quickly. Does it really matter that it's not a fully automatic assault rifle except to gun nerds?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Read point 5 of the supporting facts in the search warrant http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/628278-search-warrant-dated-december-14-2012-redacted.html
Xavier Rabourdin for president 2012
The only way to reduce fatal violence is to minimise the number of really fucked-off people.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Just wait for the media to start using the words "extremist" which is a complete lie - jihad is a mainstream and central tenet of Islam.
There are an awful lot of people who aren't "real" Muslims then, aren't there? Surely all these bloodthirsty fanatics could have organised themselves into a proper army by now?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
So, how many duster coats and fedoras do you have in your closet?
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
On the other hand, the Obama administration has been actively suppressing [csmonitor.com] use of phrases by the government such as "War on Terror"
But that's a good thing.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
What additional action could we have taken that would have prevented this?
Like, you know, stop pissing people off for a change.
The only way to do that is to STFU and stay home forever. Not very likely.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
Posint anonymously to save what little reputation I have....
What does this have to do with news for nerds?.
Bombs are created by terrorists, terrorism is funded by internet piracy, internet piracy is big news here on /.
Um, what? Terrorism is funded by giving away free stuff?
You'll be surprised with how much money you'll have left if you copy everything for free. They're just gonna spend it on hookers and blow.
And in this case, it's just blow.
Although it's a different kind of blow you can get from a hooker.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
Stop or I'll shoot anyway.
And anyhow we had a mass stabbing in a school (community college of some sort in California just this month. It's not the weapon: it's the nutjob.
There was one in Texas recently. 14 people were injured but no one was killed. That's the difference between a nutter with a blade and a nutter with even one 30 round magazine in a rifle, never mind a bunch of them.
I don't want to be stabbed, but I'd rather take my chances being stabbed than shot half a dozen times from a rifle. Plus, me and 1 or 2 other people have a much better chance of subduing someone with a knife than a gun.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Yes, and in the 80s and 90s the US had absolutely no involvement in the Middle East, so they were just imagining all their grievances? Grow up.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
To non-Americans, your internal paranoid security theatre is your own problem, as it just means that at some point we'll all just stop visiting the US by choice. Lucky for us there's not a world US/N government, eh?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Just in time: U.S. Offshore Wind Farm Receives $2 Billion From Japanese Banks.
The Japanese have stepped in to provide relief from your crippling economic sanctions.
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
"Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
Agreed. /. was impressive with its news coverage on 9/11.
This is news for everyone.
Especially since the Boston Marathon is an International event. It is International news.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Seem you are the one who failed with your inane speculation.
A Saudi National has been detained. Mostly because he seems to have blown himself up.
Just a bit of advice...if the idiots are agreeing with you, it's time to reassess your position.
An advice that all of us should heed.
Boston police commissioner says no suspect is in custody in marathon explosions
At a press conference Monday night, Boston police commissioner Edward Davis refuted reports that a suspect in Monday's Boston Marathon bombing was at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.
"I want to stress one thing," Davis said. "There is no suspect at Brigham and Women's Hospital. There are people that we are talking to but there is no suspect at Brigham and Women's Hospital as has been widely reported in the press. I would like to fix that right now."
Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
Bostards.
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
At the moment the Us is on a course to becoming progressively Islamicised under the guidance of Leftist "political correctness".
You are insane. Please seek medical help.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
You are completely correct. It is inevitable that the Muslims in the West will rise and try to end free society. Hell they even say that they will do it! In future we will face a battle like Spain did, eliminate the Muslims or die.
You are insane. Please seek medical help.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
You realize that if we were to effectively fight jihadist terrorism, Dearborn, MI, as well as various other locations in the US, would have to be depopulated with most of the inhabitants shot, deported, or jailed, right?
You are insane. Please seek medical help.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
everything I have read or watched about the Tea Party
keep in mind that several media sources seek to mischaracterize political parties, and almost all of them in the US seek to mischaracterize parties beyond the "big two".
shows them to be right wing even by US standards,
True, but probably not in the way you mean
anti-government,
Anti big government. Anarchists are anti-government.
anti-tax,
Some tea party members believe that federal income tax is unconstitutional due to some technicality. All of them believe that over-taxation is a problem.
obsessed with "the Constitution"
True. In theory, every political party in the US is obsessed with the Constitution.
so as to justify repealing all civil rights legislation,
The worst of the mischaracterizations. The Tea Party is not a racist organization. There are probably more racists by both absolute numbers and percentage in the Democratic Party than in the Tea Party (the southern US has many more Democrats who are "good ol' boys"). There have been many blatant lies about Tea Party rallies in the media, referring to them as KKK rallies, media images being photoshopped to remove black Tea Party members to make the rallies look all-white, black political figures lying about racial epithets, etc.
To bring this point back to the Constitution, the 14th amendment, section 5 prescribes the need for civil rights legislation: "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
against firearms restrictions,
2nd amendment. Plenty of R's and D's are against further firearm restrictions too (Although tea party members seem to dislike all current restrictions)
against any non-private healthcare provision and so on
Only non-private healthcare provisions created by the federal government, as the Constitution of the United States doesn't give the fedgov such power. Barring a new amendment, the proper place for government-run health care is at the state-level (assuming the individual state constitutions allow it).
So why these people?
Because these people are in the news, missing limbs, and if you are able to watch a news report about some tragedy where 20 or so people are maimed or killed without feeling anything, it just means that you've succeeded in killing off a part of what makes you human.
I feel outrage against a lot of things. But right now, to try to take advantage of a tragedy for political gain even as people are trying to figure out whether their loved ones are alright, is seriously messed up. If you really want to be a complete jerk and score some political points off the back of this, at least have the decency to wait until the dust settles and the bodies have been accounted for.
1) an armed society is a polite society. simply inarguable. we have nothing to fear frm each other, only from those who live outside the law and would seek to make me a victim
2) most criminals give precisely 0 f**ks about gun laws. disarm every citizen, and everyone is equally ready to be a victim to anyone able to gain any advantage over them, be it through sheer size/strenght, or a gun illegally obtained. its like the naive hope that if we just dismantled our entire military, the rest of world would follow suite, and there would never be any war every again and everyone would just be one big happy family.
3) the NRA has a membership of only ~4million people.
4) meanwhile there are >180 million gun owners in the country, over half the population, 99.999% of which have never committed a crime, and never will
5) meaning the NRA represents only 2.2% of gun owners, possibly as many as double that in terms of folks who would jion and just havent. the rest dont give 2 f**ks about the NRA, even though the NRA claims to speak for them
6) the "militias" represent an even smaller portion of the populace than the NRA (making that an Appeal to the Extreme fallacy). its about as relevant as as painting all leftists as dope smoking free loving hippy communists.
7) guns would not have prevented this. and guns arent necesarily about fewer homicides. most homicides are between criminals anyway (re: #2), and no one really cares if they kill each other off. what people care about is innocent victims, bystanders, or otherwise defenseless persons who become victims to criminals. armed citizens are less likely to fall victim to an attack.
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a woman walking down the street pushing a baby stroller in Georgia, 2 thugs rob her and shoots her baby in the head. no gun law would have prevented that. but if she had been carrying, she could have. its as simple as that.
guns arent always the answer, by any means. there's a concept called the "Continuum of Force". if someone shoves you, you dont pull a gun and shoot them in the head. a person with a gun who goes "cowboy" can be as dangerous as the criminal threat. and sometimes it is easier or safer to just hand over the wallet. but that's not something anyone on the outside of a situation can ever determine for someone else who's in that situation, especially in hindsight. it is the person in the moment who must make that decision, of how serious the threat is. ie whether its reached the point where serious bodily harm and/or death is likely outcome, and therefore use of deadly force is the best chance for survival.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
to be fair, it IS what the muslim faith teaches. Death to infidels - infidels being any non muslim. I am not saying I want a war, but I am sick of playing games where one side has rules to follow and the other doesnt.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Because these people are in the news,
That does not make them more deserving than the other 100,000 people dying every day. There are 100,000 people dying every day out there. Some from old age. Others from tragic accidents. Others from murder others from preventable disease. Others from unpreventable but extremely painful diseases.
missing limbs, and if you are able to watch a news report about some tragedy where 20 or so people are maimed or killed without feeling anything, it just means that you've succeeded in killing off a part of what makes you human.
What should I feel? Should I feel this is a bad thing that should not have happened? I do. Should I feel that it is a tragedy and deeply unfortunate for those involved? I do. I cannot however feel a personal sense of loss since I have no connection to these people, any more than I have a connection to the several hundred people who died while I composed this reply to you.
But right now, to try to take advantage of a tragedy for political gain even as people are trying to figure out whether their loved ones are alright, is seriously messed up.
That's the whole point! People will use this tragedy for political advantage. They have always done so in the past and they will do so now. The ONLY option is to stand up and shout about that very loudly.
If you really want to be a complete jerk and score some political points off the back of this, at least have the decency to wait until the dust settles and the bodies have been accounted for.
Something seems to be missing in your thought process here. I like most people on slashdot am not a politician and have no political points to score. Unlike the people in power who will do exactly what you're accusing me and others of.
But feel free to sit at home and wring your hands and shed a tear for people who you have never met who died, but don't forget to do it at the rate of 1 per second for whoever happens to be dying while you are shedding that tear.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Alright. Just avoid making arguments from ignorance. Your post quality will improve 200%
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
cool that an entire county can offset my sanctions. cooler that it only offsets me and 20'000 like me. even cooler that 90% of wind lose money.
but coolest of all? you don't realize that's a loan, to be paid back eventually. now you're another 2 billion dollars in debt. smooth move.
Yes, because the proper response to tragedy is to do anything, regardless of whether it's correct or incorrect. I'd agree with you on that: Lots of Americans will do something JUST TO BE DOING SOMETHING. Now, let's go with your idea: Since the bombing in Boston, we need to crack down more on foreigners! See, not so obvious now, is it?
Which is why we need to all settle down a bit and figure out what's going on before going crazy on how to respond.
That's the "almost" everywhere. They're mostly outlawed at the local level, but if you live in a rural area there's a good chance you can get one.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
A stab wound from a knife is worse than being shot by a pistol (or some rifles), usually leaving one with lifelong reduced function. Ultimately you don't want to be the victim of any violent crime.
Plus, me and 1 or 2 other people have a much better chance of subduing someone with a knife than a gun.
Or you could be carrying a gun yourself, you know.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
You both have it wrong. If it does end up being an american, it will be all over the media with stories about how they were suffering from PTSD, or autism, or aspergers, or whatever, and how they aren't being treated correctly, and about how our society is (somehow) causing our good god fearing children to become sick. If it's a "furriner," they'll be an agent of evil that hates our freedom and has no cause to do what they did other than being an inherently violent and evil terrorist, and how the new Mosque being built in Boston is disrespectful.
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=308999&cid=20762065
Casteism
Why should it stop them? If he'd had a more powerful weapon, couldn't the tragedy have been worse? Do you think an assault weapons ban isn't strong enough?
But, to the point of the story in Boston, if everyone had explosives then we wouldn't have this problem. The only rational solution is legalize IEDs and other explosive devices so that we can all protect ourselves.
Doubly false. Shows you don't know as much as you think you do - and you need to do a lot more research than merely regurgitate the propaganda of Hamas-inspired CAIR and their Leftist Allies.
False. Jihad means many things. There are not "many" interpretations of jihad. There are two. This shows you don't actually know what you are talking about. "Jihad akhbar" is "greater jihad" that is a personal struggle. "Jihad asghar" is the "lesser jihad". However it is jihad asghar that is called for in most of the 109 or so verses of the Qur'an that call for the slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims. I hope you never repeat this falsehood again - you are supporting jihadis when you do (which is why their propaganda arms like CAIR and Muslim Student Association put the lie out there - to play a "Jedi Mind Trick" on any weak-minded person who will repeat the falsehood without investigating the facts). If you want to learn how you were mistaken please see the excellent YouTube videos by Major Stephen Coughlin. This one analyses the basis for jihad in Islamic Law (using *Islamic sources only*): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0 "Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law"
People like you really miss the Red Scare don't you?
False. Actually I wish Islam was a "religion of peace" rather than the evil totalitarian political movement it is. However, your characterization to slander me with projected falsehood is a typical tactic of the political Left. By trying to demonize an opponent it absolves you from ever listening to them or needing to produce facts to counter their argument (which in most cases, you couldn't do). Please desist from this. It is a bad habit and resorting to it shows you actually have no counter argument to make - which makes you look bad. I suggest instead of closing your mind to counter-evidence you instead follow the citations I give. That might cure you of your current delusions with regard to the nature and aims of political Islam (and you would then stop making excuses for evil).
Furthermore, let us conduct a "thought-experiment". Imagine if the Qur'an verses mentioning jihad really meant "personal struggle" rather than "total war against unbelievers", what would the Islamic World and Middle East then look like? would we still have 270 million killed by Islam? would we have subjugation and discrimination against all remaining non-Muslim populations in the Middle East (eg. Jews, Christians [Assyrians, Copts], Atheists, etc). Would the world have multiple attacks per day by the Muslims who follow the *mainstream* Islamic doctrine that jihad means warfare against unbelievers, check out the facts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Now that you understand you have been repeating propaganda planted for you by evil jihadis and their apologists I hope you will stop parroting it. The following sites will help you distinguish the islamicist lies from reality (and show you *facts* that the mainstream media is too afraid to show):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://gatesofvienna.net/
I know what needs to be done. We must ban all gatherings greater than 3 people. No permits allowed as that will create the target of opportunity. This would need to include sporting events, graduations, movies, fairs, carnivals, swap meets, renaissance faires, street performers of any kind that are good enough to gather a crowd, etc. Once we no longer have the crowd that a bomb could injure, then we will no longer have to fear bombs being planted. It wouldn't be worth it to blow up a bomb to kill one person. Might as well use a knife of bullet at that point.
I just realized we would also need to limit the number of emergency personnel that respond to any emergency. You might injure a couple of people and then when the EMT's show up you blow up the bomb to get the larger target goal. Even firefighters, if too many were in one burning building at once it would make that building a target for terrorists, so we must limit it to only 3 firefighters at a time in the building.
-- ssoorrrryy,, dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh oonn.. -Quote found on actual fortune cookie.
I have already refuted both your false understand of Islam (thanks to the Jedi-mind trick propaganda you swallowed whole) and your secondary tactic of unwarranted and false demonization.
Ok, you've swallowed the whole "poverty", "US intervention", "Israel" false narrative line. Then I have two questions for you: did you know that most jihadis come from *priviliged backgrounds*? They don't fight because of poverty, they fight because Islamic ideology tells them to. The second question is: using your (false) Leftist Narrative, how do you explain the fact that jihad has been going on for 1400 years and doesn't look it will stop by itself? again, could it be because the jihad is waged because of Islamic political ideology? (before the US was funded, or Israel re-founded, or drones were invented, or Mubarak came to power, etc etc).
Please understand that you are merely parroting Leftist Narrative that projects the ideology of the Left. This does not correlate at all with either the facts, nor the motivations that *the jihadis themselves* say are "inspiring" them. So stop repeating falsehoods and learn to be fact based. Then you will see that jihad is caused primarily by Islamic doctrine - and your understanding of the situation is completely backwards (which is what the propagandists wanted you to do).
That organization is coming. It will be called the Caliphate. Many many islamicist supremacists who make comments on places like YouTube repeatedly mention the restoration of the Caliphate and what they will do to you once they have it. If one or two of them mentioned it you could dismiss it as fringe, but *all* of them mention it. They are aware of the situation. It is a shame you are not. Educate yourself about the coming Caliphate!
You are in a prison where you can't even see the walls, dude. By Islamicised I mean that Muslims get special treatment that non-Muslims do not. Examples:
1) Muslims may show images of Mohammed and discuss him; non-Muslims get killed if they do the same thing.
2) Muslims may criticise all other religions; non-Muslims may not criticise Islam (on pain of death), neither can Muslims - but the point is still the same.
3) Muslim blasphemy laws are being applied to non-Muslims (see UN HRC Resolution 16/18)
4) Muslim segregation laws for men and women are already in the Havard gym and other universities in the US
5) In the UK all schools serve halal meat whether you are Muslim or not (strangely, no animal rights activist challenges the torture of halal).
6) Many multi-national food companies how have halal-only products. eg., Cadbury chocolate has paid the Islam mafia protection racket to rate their chocolate as halal (in Australia the money Cadbury gave was then misappropriated for an islamic supremacist cause).
7) In the US there have been 21 cases where Sharia Law principles have faced off against the Constitution. In most cases the Constitution has yielded.
8) global mainstream media is completely cowed in reporting about Islam, due to threats of violence. This is Sharia compliant reporting.
All this is only the start. Islam will not conquer the US by force. What it intends to do is wage 'cultural jihad' and slowly bend US case law into setting Sharia-friendly precedents.
So, rather than demonizing me, could you please instead try and argue with facts? it turns out that I am sane, but you are in denial and self-delusion.
Spreading fear, intolerance and racism toward a group of people is generally counterproductive. Note that we don't know who's responsible for this yet, but I'm guessing the percentage of American muslims that would actually do something like this is extremely low, way less than one percent. You think forcing the entire muslim-american population into conditions of a police state is going to shrink that number? No. There'd be a backlash, something else just like this, and the condition would spiral for the worse.
False. What race is Islam exactly? no one is saying American Muslims have to do anything. What is being said is that Islamic law will not be applied to non-Muslims (despite the imposition of barbaric Sharia on all people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, this being an explicit goal of Islam). So quit with the false strawmen arguments please.
The word 'strawman' is like a meme on slashdot. Not everything is a strawman argument. Now, if you're going deny that Islam is confined to a few distinct races (i.e. skin tones, as we tend to know them), then you're just playing ignorant. The basis for your list is that Islam == Terrorism. It doesn't. It's just that Muslims happen to live in impoverished countries that we keep declaring war against, or threatening to. Impoverished people are more prone to fear and religious zealotry and some of them will strike out. Their wealthy leaders manipulate this to take advantage of them and maintain their own wealth and power. Kim Jung Un is (unsuccessfully) following this same playbook right now. If we return his threats, he'll just use them to his own benefits, to scare his people and keep them loyal. So just as people like you have learned to fear Muslims, they've learned to fear Christians and Americans. The tools their leaders use to gin up this fear and hatred are the words and writings of people like you, Koran-burners, and on and on.
Not to mention you're overly paranoid. If some population of Muslims in the U.S. wants to enact Sharia law in their city or state, they've got a huge obstacle: the U.S. Constitution. We don't even need to implement anti-sharia laws to enforce it, it's already there. We don't need such laws specifically targeting Muslims because they would (1) violate the constitution, (2) needlessly provoke the sort of violence those laws are trying to protect us against.
As for racism (or religionism, if you prefer), recent laws against illegal immigrants have sparked waves of racism against latinos in general. It's the same dynamic. There've already been attacks on mosques and muslims by right-wing maniacs. Muslim kids get bullied all the time by other kids who've listened too much to people like you.
Dude, u mad bro?
another Islamist suicide bomber kills 20 at a Peshawar political rally.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-97057-Peshawar:-Blast-near-ANP-rally-kills-17,-injures-60
while Pakistan condemns the latest US drone killings.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/16/298603/pakistan-condemns-us-drone-attack/
Unless Wikileaks gets the footage, it will never make the TV news though.
Definitely good eating, but I've got to go with no nuts. There are too many here already.
Try a hot fudge shake/malt if you haven't.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
The word 'strawman' is like a meme on slashdot. Not everything is a strawman argument.
Yes, but you set a strawman argument, claiming I'm a racist when I made no mention of race. You don't even know what race I am. So stop protecting your bullshit strawman argument - which you are doing because you are intellectually lazy and closed minded - you would rather dismiss my argument out of hand without even looking at the citations I have given and justify this dismissal with your strawman. I suggest instead you use the Scientific Method, hear what I have to say (the links I gave), and then see whether it matches the evidence or not. What you are doing is illogical and un-scientific (dismissing the facts that are counter to the delusion you'd like to believe).
Now, if you're going deny that Islam is confined to a few distinct races (i.e. skin tones, as we tend to know them), then you're just playing ignorant.
This is another strawman you have constructed. You are again wrong. I always take pains to state that Islam is an evil political ideology (the evil of which you would clearly like to excuse). An *ideology* has zero to do with race. Even if it did, rational people would still be able to debate it in a logical manner. Only the weak minded politically correct fools censor free thought.
The basis for your list is that Islam == Terrorism. It doesn't. It's just that Muslims happen to live in impoverished countries that we keep declaring war against, or threatening to.
False. Islam is not equal to terrorism, statistically it just happens to be the motivation for over 90%. Stop projecting your own ignorance onto me. The second part of your statement are falsehoods promoted by the political Left who would like that to be the reason for Islamic terrorism. If you stop listening to the falsehoods and delusions of the Left you would instead have enough of an open mind to accept reality - the jihadis themselves say what their motivation is, and that motivation is Islam, eg. Sura 9:5 and 9:29 (please go an read them so you are less ignorant than you are now, and so you don't repeat the falsehoods of the political Left).
So just as people like you have learned to fear Muslims,
The reason rational people fear Muslims is because they deliberately strike at civilians, any time and any place. Contrary to the leftists propaganda you subscribe to the US does not do the same thing - it simply isn't economic to waste million dollar weapons on random killing. Now often in drone strikes today a jihadi will be in a compound with his family or other human shields. That is not the fault of the US and is in-fact the fault of the jihadi (it is immoral and internationally illegal for combatants to hide behind civilians).
Not to mention you're overly paranoid. If some population of Muslims in the U.S. wants to enact Sharia law in their city or state, they've got a huge obstacle: the U.S. Constitution. We don't even need to implement anti-sharia laws to enforce it, it's already there. We don't need such laws specifically targeting Muslims because they would (1) violate the constitution, (2) needlessly provoke the sort of violence those laws are trying to protect us against.
Dude, you really are quite ignorant of the facts, aren't you? No surprise, the left-leaning media are careful to hide reality for you, lest you stumble on the stated aims of the Islamists (which the immoral Left have common cause with). Here are some court cases where the Constitution has given was to Sharia:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/sharias_encroachment_into_american_courts.html
So please get a clue. I'm not a racist, I'm trying to shake you out of the Matrix you are in (fed lies by the leftist media and academia) and get you clued up on what is really going on.
Oh, by the way, I hope you are not so far in Leftist delusion that you would be pleased at the Boston civilian murders as these guys:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/04/16/muslims-celebrate-with-sweets-praise-to-allah-over-boston-bombing-62151
The Islamists don't hate America and Israel for what they have done or not done, or what they will do or not do. Islam commands Muslims to kill, convert or subjugate all non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear on this and it is not an extremist teaching, all five schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in completely agreement on this. So stop your denial of reality - it is shameful.
Muslim blasphemy laws are being applied to non-Muslims (see UN HRC Resolution 16/18)
Have you read the resolution? Can you point to the language that applies "Muslim blasphemy laws" to non-muslims?
http://geneva.usmission.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Resolution16-18.pdf
I reiterate. Please seek medical attention. You are delusional.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
I don't like Islam or any religion, and I have read your suggestions in the comment you link to. It sounds like you are just as dangerous as the islamists. (Oh people, please read them, see the posters link, before judging MY words).
Yes it is - and I asked for what your proposed ACTION (solution) is. Ranting on /. and Internet forums does not help all that much I would say, nor does any kind of throwing words at each other. A lot of people seem to mistake "being against XYZ" for a solution for problem XYZ.
The following is already in action. All materials associating "islam" and "terrorism" in the same breath have been purged from the US Government. The DoD, CIA and FBI cannot call jihadi terrorism for what it is. The Fort Hood shootings are thus swept under the carpet as "workplace violence" with an unknown cause - despite Major Nidal Hussein's business card describing him as "Soldier of Allah" and the fact as he was murdering he went around screaming "Allahu Akhbar". It is *you* that is living under a delusion as to what is happening and how the Obama Administration and media are suppressing what is going on (no surprise, the Admistration is thoroughly penetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood, the MB say so themselves: http://www.investigativeproject.org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates).
d) To undertake a strong effort to counter religious profiling, which is understood to be the invidious use of religion as a criterion in conducting questionings, searches and other law enforcement investigative procedures;
Do you understand that the intent of 16/18 restrict Free Speech of all UN member countries? what constitutes intolerance? under Sharia "slander" is anything a Muslim doesn't want you to hear - no matter how truthful it is. Therefore any member of the 57 nation OIC can claim intolerance for speaking the (awful) truth about Islam. That is why the US opposed the draft resolutions - it was only incompetent Hiliary Clinton who let this through (no wonder, her chief assistant is the Muslim Brotherhood affiliated Huma Abedin: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/08/12/Huma-Abedin-s-Ties-to-Muslim-Brotherhood-May-Be-Even-Deeper-Than-Rep-Bachmann-Suspected et al.)
Let's also not forget the fact that at its heart 16/18 is against the US First Amendment.
You are delusional.
False. You are in denial. You have zero facts and don't understand the subtleties and intent of documents unless they are written at a childish level for you. Be coddled in your delusion - hopefully the Islamicists won't place a pressure cooker IED next to where you are standing while you defend their immoral and barbaric actions - you idiot.
That's exactly what they want you to think. Remember, if you're a professional you can make it look amateur, but not the other way round. Military grade explosives[1] would have been a total giveaway.
I'm giving them far too much credit, aren't I?
[1] You'll notice it went "poof", rather than "BANG", implying relatively low powered explosives.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
My money's on the NRA. See, guns don't kill people, pressure cookers do!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I call for nothing other than the preservation of Constitutional liberty for all, and the application of native law for all, with no exceptions. I propose no violence on the enemies of freedom that remain non-violent. I propose nothing based on race, only on ideology.
I'm afraid that reasonable and rational people will be wondering what you smoking given that you oppose civilized measures such as strengthening Free Speech laws and the restriction of activist judges that effectively set law bypassing normal democratic processes (that's why the Islamicists try and get precedents set in case law, since it effective changes laws without going through Congress).
It is clear you are reading into my words something you want to see (but not what was written), because you *desperately* want to defend jihadists despite all the facts indicating that Islam is the reason they commit their crimes against humanity.
Like the good little jihad apologist the Left has brainwashed you to be you try and make moral equivalence between someone calling for strengthening Free Speech and jihadis that commit murder in the name of Allah. Only a muppet still stuck in his propaganda Matrix would think that calling for strengthening Free Speech and legislating for native law (only) is "just as dangerous" as those promoting Sharia either by stealth, lying or violence. I guess you have soaked up the brainwashing against "discrimination" but never realise it also means "discernment" - the ability to tell good and evil. Moral relativism and political correctness has made you illogical and emotion-based rather than fact-based.
Prophet. It's the other lot that worship profits.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Have you read the resolution? Can you point to the language that applies "Muslim blasphemy laws" to non-muslims?
You have zero facts and don't understand the subtleties and intent of documents unless they are written at a childish level for you.
So that'd be "no" then.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
It should be called Traitors Day, because that is what they really were.
Heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat.
I'm not saying you're racist, and if I did I apologize. I meant that your N-step plan for cleansing the Muslim ideology from otherwise-pristine American society will lead to racism among people who can't be bothered to differentiate a Muslim from someone with an olive-complexion or dark skin. I'd wager this is most people, and if you look at the effects of anti-immigration policy in the south or south-east you'll see what I'm talking about.
If you're worried about a couple verses in the Koran, the answer is education. If we all followed the Bible as closely as they follow the Koran, we'd be executing people left and right for a hundred seemingly ridiculous reasons. I think there's a reasonable case to be made that, if left to their own devices, Christians today would descend into the same sort of fascism as we see in Saudi Arabia, with women being subjugated, slavery being reinstated (yes, it condones slavery), witches being burned at the stake (as puritans did early in our country), etc. Look what Christians do now to homosexuals based on a couple random verses from the Bible.
Through constant so-called 'leftist' education, we've overcome much of the irrational intolerance practiced in our own ancient religion, and we can do the same with Islam. The answer isn't to attack them, either literally or with provocative legislation, but to integrate the best of our western values-- namely tolerance and integration.
You can find examples of members of most religions cheerleading terrorist acts. Timothy McVey remains a hero in some right-wing militia-type circles. You think the mindset of McVey's celebrators is any different from these Boston-bomber celebrators? It's the same thing, different narrow, uneducated ideology.
I'm not saying you're racist, and if I did I apologize
No problems, and thank you. You have shown yourself to be a reasonable fellow, which is great. In political discussion the word "racist" is often thrown around, usually with the intent of demonization such that the position of one party needs no further examination. It is a tactic used by all sides, but is a favorite of the Left. Fortunately it is clear this was not your intent. But I hope you are now aware that not all accusations of racist have basis in fact - and that it is often used to shut down an opponent, especially when they are telling uncomfortable truths that cannot be challenged on a logical basis.
I meant that your N-step plan for cleansing the Muslim ideology from otherwise-pristine American society will lead to racism among people who can't be bothered to differentiate a Muslim from someone with an olive-complexion or dark skin. I'd wager this is most people, and if you look at the effects of anti-immigration policy in the south or south-east you'll see what I'm talking about.
Please let me be clear here. I have *zero* problem with Muslims practicing their superstition as a personal faith. For sure they are anti-scientific and deluded, but that is their business. What I do have an *extreme* problem with is not Muslims (who are people, and often good), but the *political ideology* called Islam whose core doctrine is to assert political control over all people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. That is a huge difference. Please re-read my statement so you are clear on what I mean.
I agree with you in that great caution has to be used to prevent discrimination against Muslims who are non-violent (technically these are no longer considered Muslims by Islam, they are "apostates" and condemned to death by the growing Wahhabi and Salafi movements). The steps I outlined would make no difference to Muslims practicing personal faith. All they do is prevent *political Islam* from changing Constitutional and case law in the Free World and US. I hope you can now see that I am not calling for the expulsion or harm of any minority. I'm calling for the upholding of Enlightenment Values where they are challenged by Sharia.
If you're worried about a couple verses in the Koran, the answer is education. If we all followed the Bible as closely as they follow the Koran, we'd be executing people left and right for a hundred seemingly ridiculous reasons. I think there's a reasonable case to be made that, if left to their own devices, Christians today would descend into the same sort of fascism as we see in Saudi Arabia, with women being subjugated, slavery being reinstated (yes, it condones slavery), witches being burned at the stake (as puritans did early in our country), etc. Look what Christians do now to homosexuals based on a couple random verses from the Bible.
There is a huge difference between Islam and Christianity in that Christianity has (finally!) evolved past a literalist interpretation in the mainstream. Islam is still literalist. In fact, to question a literalist interpretation renders a Muslim an apostate (and the penalty for apostasy is *death*). Islam cannot be questioned by Muslims or they will be killed. Islam cannot be questioned by non-Muslims or they will be killed (as soon as devout Muslims are able to achieve this). That is why many freedom fighters around the world have already been killed for *truthful* criticism of Islamic barbarism (eg. in Holland and Denmark etc). So, I hope you see that while Christianity was a threat it is no longer much of a threat. Islam is still a threat, to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. That is why I provided you with the link http://www.religionofpeace.com/ so you could see the facts of what is going on today. A huge amount of Muslim on Muslim violence due to their literalist interpretation and the Sharia law that commands Muslims to kill all apostates
The cult of transnationalism feels happiest when locals are at fault
The only "no" is in your utter immorality in defending jihadis and their ilk. Rather than counter the *facts* of multiple jihadi attacks worldwide (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks) you instead try and deflect using the tactics of personal demonization (as witnessed from your first and continued statements), just as written in this book "Bullies: How the Left's Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences Americans" http://www.amazon.com/Bullies-Culture-Intimidation-Silences-Americans/dp/1476709998.
I bet you are so indoctrinated you have no idea what the hate speech in the Qur'an actually says, or about the 270 million souls killed by jihadis over the last 1400 years (and continuing today), or the goal of Islamists to destroy all liberties and human rights the Free World hold dear. Instead in your upside-down world you think you are resisting intolerance but instead you are defending the barbaric intolerance of Islam and opposing those who are arguing for *protecting* the liberties the Free World has (which is under massive threat by Islamists, even if you too ignorant to notice the facts and trends).
The fact is, you can't actually actually contest the *facts*, instead you try and bypass them since actually using the Scientific Method to alter your incorrect worldview to a better approximation using the facts and links I've given would blow the worldview the propagandists have fed you and you now parrot like a good little apologist for evil.
You are smug in your unearned and assumed moral superiority but the reality is because you live a fact-free bubble of ideological nonsense you are aiding and abetting the evil jihadis with your attempted defense of them. Shame on you for supporting the evil totalitarian, theocratic, misogynistic, racist, supremacist political ideology called Islam (which, apart from some nonsense superstitions, is largely indistinguishable from the ideology of National Socialism if you look closely). Supporting such evil is immoral!
You are worse than insane - you are willfully ignorant of the growing threat to human rights and quality in the World (what part of the Qur'an do you think talks about equality? for women? and homosexuals? and non-Muslims? and Jews? and Christians? and Zoroastrians? and atheists?). Stop defending the evil that is political Islam, because it makes *you* evil !
Islam, defined to a few small 'races', as you call them?
Yeah, how about:
* Africans (ie the entire northern 2/3 of Africa at this point)
* Persians (ie Iran and surrounding areas)
* Arabs (from North Africa across the middle east)
* Caucasians (ie those in the Caucus region)
* Rus (ie Serbians and Russians)
* Asians (stretching across the SE Pacific)
* Indians (aka "people who were Indian but are now Pakistani")
The majority are Arab, and yes, most of them have dark skin - meaning, they're not Northern European.
So which 'few, distinct races' are you referring to? That's over (at least) half the world's population, not "a few distinct races". Sounds like you're the one who racially distinguishes.
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Good list.
Unfortunately, it's culturally impossible. It won't be something the West will attempt until it's too late to do so effectively or completely, and by then we'll be in a state of total ideological war - balkanized warfare on a global scale.
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Presumably you consider Birmingham and Warrington to be exceptions. I suspect many Bostanites would agree, since most of the funding came from them.
I'm not saying two wrongs make a right or that the recent casualties are all IRA supporters, but I suspect the irony wasn't lost on many people in the UK.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Thank you very much. It would be ideal if violence could be avoided and the ability of Muslims to practice personal faith be preserved without political Islam warping laws and customs (in the way that the million Muslims in Israel are able to worship without changing laws).
It is unfortunate the political Left that states it wishes to avoid war and violence is in fact making it more likely but denying the rising problem of Islamic supremacy.
Sorry, not going to happen. The Quran/Koran is inherrently political - the same way the Torah is. Unfortunately unlike the Torah, the Koran is also inherrently violent.
Islam aka "Religion of Submission" would have to be something other than Islam before it would happen.
I think Russia has the right idea at this point, ironically.
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I agree with you. However, *if* Muslims were prepared to adapt Islam to be non-political then we would be open to accommodate it, yes? it is anti-scientific superstitious bullshit, but as long as it is personal bullshit I don't care too much.
We both know that without the political aspect Islam would be a husk, and without the threats of death for apostates it would wither and die as people could talk openly about how ridiculous it is. I do think it is worthwhile for reasonable people to state we would tolerate Islam if the ideology changed to be more tolerant itself. We know that won't happen, but at least it shows the "ball is in their court". This is especially relevant for all the confused liberals out there who think Islam if just another personal faith and it is the defenders of liberty who are the ones starting conflict and being unreasonable.
Hardly - they're left-wing. They believe in tight government control of our lives and reduction in personal freedom for the greater good.
Yes, but when random violance against muslims happens, it happens toward people who 'look like' muslims. A sikh (not muslim) temple was attacked by an anti-muslim crusader recently presumably because they looked muslim.
On top of that, racists generally don't form their prejudices based on researching wikipedia, they make presumptions based on skin color. Likely if an anti-muslim guy encountered an indonesian muslim, he wouldn't know that he was supposed to hate them too.