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No Porn From Public WiFi Hotspots In the UK Proposed
whoever57 writes "Prime Minister David Cameron is proposing that porn should not be available through WiFi hotspots in public areas. Exactly how this will be implemented has not been identified, even to the extent of whether the ISP or the hotspot operator should implement the blocking. From the article: '
The Prime Minister said: “We are promoting good, clean, WiFi in local cafes and elsewhere to make sure that people have confidence in public WiFi systems so that they are not going to see things they shouldn’t.”
His intervention comes after a long-running campaign from children’s charities to ensure a blanket ban on unacceptable sites on public WiFi networks.'"
Like People Magazine and fashion sites?
You definitely shouldn't see it!
We, the British government, will protect you from this bane.
What the hell does the UK government have against porn? This is the second time they've tried to ban it.
Because i'll still masturbate in the starbucks bathroom to 2girls1cup and there aint shit you can do about it.
Who exactly is paying/or promoting this? This seems to be a shady manoeuvre to put out free competitions to ISP.
In general, you shouldn't try to solve social problems with technical solutions.
And in this case, it's not even possible unless you also forbid encryped sessions, which would mean people can't access their VPNs. And nobody in his right mind would surf from a public hotspot without a VPN or at least an SSL/TLS encrpyted session.
And as if that's not enough proof for you: a determined person can still use steganography to embed an encrypted stream inside a regular port 80 HTTP session. Therefore you cannot prevent people from accessing porn over public wifi. All you can do is make it more inconvenient for everyone to browse securely.
Conclusion: You can't stop it, so don't even try.
There is really no other way he could claim something as stupid as this otherwise. Just your average clueless control-freak politician. I do not even find the strength to despise him, this has gotten far, far too common.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Cue all the problems that AOL had when they tried to censor the internet for their UK subscribers: Blocking of breast cancer awareness sites, Penistone council websites, and so on.
Of course a complete block would be impossible. What's needed is something like OpenDNS. I use it for my home network, with (in)appropriate categories blocked. This means it's far less likely the kids will stumble across (in a few years' time, read "successfully search for") anything we'd rather they didn't see.
The router acts as a DNS forwarder for OpenDNS's servers, and it blocks outgoing port 53 requests from machines on the LAN. This stops anyone configuring their own DNS server to get around my block.
This is by no means infallible: a proxy, a DNS server not on port 53, an external online IP address lookup - all of these will get around it. My intent is to reduce the likelihood of inappropriate material making it onto the LAN.
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His intervention comes after a long-running campaign from children’s charities to ensure a blanket ban on unacceptable sites on public WiFi networks.
Because when I donate money to a children's charity, that's exactly what I'm hoping the money will be spent on. Think of all the children saved by these campaigns.
FTA; "His intervention comes after a long-running campaign from childrenâ(TM)s charities to ensure a blanket ban on unacceptable sites on public WiFi networks." It would be good to see the full list of sites that are banned because you never know some non porn sites may be slipped in at the behest of political, business, religious or assorted pressure / lobby groups.
But is there anything you can do about the shit?
Careful with names containing L slashdot.org/~AiphaWolf_HK slashdot.org/~AlphaWoif_HK slashdot.org/~AiphaWoif_HK
You will only ever see what you search for on a WiFi system. Forcing ISP's and/or individual establishments that provide free internet access to monitor and block specific traffic is tantamount to authoritarian governance. I see absolutely no difference between this concept and how Egypt or Israel or Iran are manipulating and controlling the information that their citizens have access to. Honestly, please explain the difference? if any?
AOL had that problem with the town of Scunthorpe too. (Profanity filter (look closer if you haven't worked it out yet).)
Define it first you Socialist prick!
Whatever kind of prick David Cameron is, it's not a socialist one, genius.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
That's where the whole notion of sex/porn being "dirty" and "bad" comes from. Churches and mental illness.
Imagine they'd try the same for other basic human things like... for instance.. eating.
- I bet you like the smell of a freshly cooked meal... Perv!
- Of course food sites and cooking shows should be forbidden!
- A glass of milk being shown on national television? Moogate!!! Chaos!!
- You eat by yourself? Ewww, you perv! Don't you know you will go blind?
- You had dinner in public? Off to jail with you!
- A milk-drinking toddler saw you having lunch? Die you pedo!
This is the fucked-up world religious terrorism wants to enforce. I, for one, proclaim: NOT. WITH. ME!
Sex is not a sin.
Oppression is.
Why not just encourage people to stare at public porn fiends? I mean, looking at porn in public is gross and weird. This is just one of those things that takes care of itself, though, you know?
Because i'll still masturbate in the starbucks bathroom to 2girls1cup and there aint shit you can do about it.
Yeah! Fight the power!
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
But what people voting for the left are actually getting is socialist totalitarians wanking off to, and paying off, the biggest overpaid bankster, i.e. the worst of all worlds. We need to push all parties, left and right, to be more liberal and less corrupt.
The top trump rallying cry of those with no regard for anyone else's freedom. While I support the prevention of children accessing porn, I have greater support for maintaining cultural freedom for the majority adult population.
Imposing access controls (administered by who?) differentiated between two groups (on what criteria, exactly?) across all public networks (enforced by what means and deterrents?) will have huge costs (economic, cultural and social) that a technically and morally ignorant special interest group are trying to get the rest of us to pay for. (Profit!)
Ooooo-kay, that made me sound like a libertarian wingnut, but I'm seeing a pattern in these incidents now. As society progresses technologically and culturally, someone (eg: Mary Whitehouse) decides that something should be done to curtail the collateral damage of it's excesses. The actions taken are always overly broad and cause lots of collateral damage themselves. Someone else (eg: Mark Kermode) then has to undo the original cause of the damage and clean up the mess. The primary enabler of this cycle is politicians grandstanding for re-election. I'm looking at you, Cameron!
I didn't think Cameron and Clegg were that easily confused.
Why do you like criminals so much mister prime minister?
People who are in front of a pc spanking it don't have time to commit serious crimes that don't involve spanking it...
That is the most ridiculous pro-pornography argument I have ever seen. Do you seriously think that the only (or main) reason people commit crimes is because they've not tossed one off recently?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Then you're a pedo.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Oh it's the old "people might accidentally go to porn sites" excuse. Is this a particularly common occurrence? Has anyone here gone to a site and misspelled the name and ended up at a porn site?
Is it really that much of a surprise that people don't think the ability to watch porn in public is not a fundamental protected right outside the US?
and largely copyright infringing and where its property paid for has negative implication for the balance of payments.
NB. From a non-American perspective - Damn but the US geeks like their guns and porn.
Not that I have noticed. I will not pretend that I deliberately look at what is on other people's screens, but I have not seen anything. So if someone is looking at smut in public, but no one knows, what harm is being done ?
Is Cameron going to announce that people must not read playboy in a public place ? What would be the point, it is not a problem, so why fix it ? Oh: I see, this will appeal to those Torygraph & Daily Fail readers who have not yet come to terms with their own sexuality or have their minds infected with religious memes, so he will garner a few more votes. Others, like me, will soon forget this stupidity. On that basis I doubt that it will become law.
I don't recall WW2 being fought on the principle of access to pornography in public spaces, but maybe I missed something in my history lessons.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
“We are promoting good, clean, WiFi in local cafes and elsewhere to make sure that people have confidence in public WiFi systems so that they are not going to see things they shouldn’t.”
What on earth is good clean wifi? The wording here suggests that he thinks simply allowing porn is going to make it flash up on peoples' screens.
FTFY:
Most Americans only know about Europe what is spoon-fed by their lunatic-friendly media and their corporate-run education systems. Their government loves to tell it's people how backward the rest of the world is because it allows them to advance their own extreme left and extreme right agendas. That's not a new phenomenon: politicians and militarists have been telling Americans how lucky they are not to be in Europe for nearly 200 years (just as billions of Europeans were looking at each other with confused looks on their faces, asking each other "Is he really talking about us?" and then pissing themselves laughing.)
Here's a quote from a famous American "politician":
“Because European countries now resolve differences through negotiation and consensus, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond Europe's borders, in a world where oppression and violence are very real, liberation is still a moral goal, and freedom and security still need defenders.”
It's scary to think that a large fraction of American politicians think and talk pretty much the same way today.
Smut-master in chief from the days before the Internet.
If (for instance) the cafe owner or manager objects to the internet habits of his or her patrons then its up to them to approach and intimate their objection, and withdraw the invitation to the patron to be in that venue. If the screen can't be seen by him, or other patrons then whats the problem? No different to if a customer was making offensive remarks to others, or flinging cutlery on the floor.
I remember trying to research into prehistoric music at college and I couldn't get on any sites that had the word homo in, ie Homo-sapiens, homo-erectus etc. Truly sad. Also in response to the person who suggested it would be helpful to stop children accidentally watching porn, it doesn't really happen, sure it probably happens on rare occasions, but not enough to be worthy of a sensational headline in the Daily Mail, let alone legislation.
In a cybernetic fit of rage she pissed off to another age...
What if you were staying in a hotel? Does the wireless service they offer there count as public wifi?
This is just another case of government ineffectiveness via non-big-issue distractions.
Technically illiterate people shouldn't make policy decisions regarding technology.
vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
define.. unacceptable.
and then. filter it.
do you filter on keyword?
or not, what else?
Spending a little children's charity and tax payer money on developing a "safe-browsing" filter, accessible to all, compatible with the most popular web filter software, would get a fair amount of support. Having a legal requirement for public WiFi that uses a filter to state this fact clearly would be important.
However, attempting to place a blanket, non-optional filter across all public WiFi is ham-fisted, insultingly authoritarian legislation which, alas, has become typical in the nanny state.
I'm happy this is being discussed publicly rather than being implemented unilaterally. Hopefully the same will occur if there is a push to block other controversial sites. If I want a certain form of entertainment (like porn) I can pay a little and get it elsewhere. But there is no good excuse for a public network to block, say, sites of unpopular political movements.
Who decides what is porn?
Block it all !!!!
Violence is horrible, why not first forbidding violence and gruesome images of people being killed or suffering at the hands of aggressors?. Later we may discuss about the merits of forbidding images of pretty nude people engaging in a pleasurable harmless activity like sex.
For the record, I don't support any kind of censoring. The coment above is just sarcasm.
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...go search for "PORN ON A PLANE" by TheAmazingAtheist on YouTube.
For a brief period, the council library computers had a child-safe filter. It meant one couldn't use the word sextant. Then there are also those terms with the word sex: sexual assault, sexually transmitted disease, etc.
Penistone, Scunthorpe and Clitheroe. But Milton Keynes was OK???!?
Red to red, black to black. Switch it on, but stand well back.
As every TCP header has a PR0N flag it's a matter of setting up an iptables rule:
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags PR0N PR0N -j DROP
I can see that he's this generation's Marie Antoinette. "Derp, derp, no pr0n from wifi hotspot, do it because I'm a political bigwig!" "My lord, it's impossible to censor anything without whitelisting..." "Just do it, DERP!" 10 weeks later. "OMG, I can't get anywhere on these hotpots, WTF did you guys do?" "Only what you asked us to." "I didn't ask you to do this! Fix it!" "I shall have the elves get to work on it right away sire, but it may require one of the Crown Jewels..." "Umm...what?" "Nothing" 10 weeks later. "OMG, people can get to pr0n sites!" "Umm, h@x0ors?" "Ah."
I am John Hurt.
Do you ever feel like doing any serious crimes after having tossed one off?
Exactly.
Further more here's what the socialist's are up to.
Won't somebody please think of the children!?
Guys, really get over your "but DNS fiddling will get around this!"/"encryption!/vpn!" every time something like this pops up.
The legislation is an attempt to limit or restrict this type of content in public and not make it absolutely impossible to access by any devious means. In the UK Vodafone (presumably others) do this for mobile dongles by trying to block dodgy content (which is opt-in). Presumably this is a best attempt approach to do similar for public wi-fi. Not make it impossible.
Yes, any attempt to add a limitation (filtering, drm, etc.) is avoidable but that's not the point. You can - if so minded - use a public wi-fi hotspot if/when this become law to get at whatever you want. This stops access for the 99.9% of people who might otherwise not be bothered.
Just because it's never going to be 100% doesn't mean there's no benefit in applying simple mechanisms that will work for most people most of the time.
I'm not sure the Lib-Dems would claim to be socialists either.
I don't think there's a mainstream socialist party left in the UK -- although I still cling to the hope that Labour will swing back to the left one day.
Maybe instead of blocking the whole of Sussex we should be educating children to be sensible online and deal with the real world that is full of borderline pornographic images on TV and in advertising anyway.
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"I can see that he's this generation's Marie Antoinette..."
Let them eat ____
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To an American, the UK is socialist end of story. I mean, we have stuff like universal medical care and welfare and stuff.
I've been wWatching p0rn si8nce my 13 yewars old and Im perfwectly fine!
OPlease don5t minnd my spwelling mistakes, my otyher hand is busy...
From my point of view (and it is only that!) I don't see what is so wrong with banning it from public wifi spots. Two things occur to me:
Firstly, it means less issues with people who don't know better browsing for it in Starbucks for example.
Secondly, if you want it, go home and download or if you are really stuck, just buy a personal hotspot thingy from your provider.
Lastly (ok that makes 3) it probably reduces your susceptibility to lawsuits (Oh my little johnny say a nipple and is now traumatised, show me the money) as the providers have made a reasonable effort to keep it clean.
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The biggest problem is how do you actually define "Porn"?? (and no punting with "i know it when i see it")
as long as "reasonable efforts" are good enough (don't try to get every bit just the most obvious 95%)
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If one ban is good then more bans is clearly better!
Next will be "questionable" sites like erowid.org.
For all that mention "people watching porn in starbucks", isn't this a starbucks issue, if they believe its such a problem and want to block it, shouldn't they implement the block? Its their wifi after all.
Define it first you Socialist prick!
David Cameron... a socialist? BWAHAHAHAHA! what planet do you live on?? that prick is slightly right of Atilla the Hun!
we have stuff like universal medical care
Not if fucking Webcameron had his way we wouldn't. He's already managed to privatise the NHS, which is something even Maggie wouldn't have dared try.
Yes, but until they decide to start using their own language rather than piggy back on ours I think it's fair to remind them what words actually mean.
You Brits also have pensioners, instead of the "Let your mum die" plan advocated by one of the two major political parties in the US.
I am officially gone from
I'm not sure the Lib-Dems would claim to be socialists either.
I don't think there's a mainstream socialist party left in the UK -- although I still cling to the hope that Labour will swing back to the left one day.
the only main stream left of centre party in the 'UK' only serves the Scottish Electorate bud, it's the Scottish National Party who hold to the principles of free healthcare, free education, free care for the elderly, free prescriptions..yadda yadda yadda. The other parts of the UK, as you say are pretty well stuffed with the major jumps to the right labour has taken. i am pretty sure that Kier Hardy would not just be spinning but shouting "WTF?" in his grave at what is called the Labour party these days.
eennaarbrak in England you don't have much of a national health care system left at all, it's privatisation is pretty much done with ALL things now out to tender now.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong in blocking the whole of Sussex.
Shit, here in flyover country many people would call that communism. Don't worry they will pray for you though.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Possibly National Socialist.
Exactly how this will be implemented has not been identified, even to the extent of whether the ISP or the hotspot operator should implement the blocking.
Just ask China.
I'm sure if the UK Police get their snoopers charter, any politician who disagrees with them, will find their porn surfing history handed to Mr Murdochs papers and I'm damn sure every single one of them has visited a porn site of their own free will.
No such thing as "The UK Police" you have the various regional police in England and Wales, you have the recently unified Scottish police service now known as Police Scotland and you have the PSNI(Police Service Northern Ireland. England and Wales are under a single legal system, Scotland and NI have separate and distinct legal systems.
There has never and will never be a unified "UK" Police service
Shouldn't it be up to the people providing the public wifi to decide what should be allowable on thier networks that they are paying for and allowing in thier establishments? If you don't like the idea that porn would be allowed to be surfed in a certian establishment don't go there.
Holy shit, the US has universal medical care and welfare and stuff? Fuck me running, I think I must have had a blackout again. On the upside this is the best news for the US since... like slavery was abolished! No more insane medical bills, everyone gets the choice of adequate public heathcare and paying more for a fancy room and a three course meal. This is truly a day to rejoice and be merry! Oh, and you now have welfare available to all your citizens? Holy fuckerooney! That is truly amazing and exceptionally joyous news!
The dick in me says to vote +1 if you would like this to be the case, and -1 if you think that the US health system is perfectly fine and you don't need no commie state funded healthcare or welfare system.
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the prime minister can tend to more urgent issues like porn at Starbucks. Got it.
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
The principle here might appear sound at first. A child has a wireless device, connects to unfiltered net. However, why not simple make it criminal to sell/give children wireless enabled devices? Or at least ones without filtering installed.
I didn't think Cameron and Clegg were that easily confused.
I know there's a joke in there somewhere..... :-)
I am a physicist, and was really amazed the first time ( not the second time ) I did a search for
"gravitational black hole theory".... silly me.
Just keep them off my lawn!
Have gnu, will travel.
They already have phase 1 of this in place, when you use 3G/mobile data. There is an automatic block on adult sites but this doesn't necessarily mean porn - half the internet is filtered out and it gets very annoying very quickly. Sites with no obvious "adult" nature are inaccessible until you agree to opt-in by allowing the cellphone company to bill a token sum to your credit card to prove you are over 18. Then all your problems go away.
And that is what they really want i.e. to be able to identify the user. Without that I would be just another anonymous prepaid. I'm sure the same will be along eventually for public wi-fi.
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our idiot leader wants to censor the internet with magic and kittens
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Naughty bit.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
... that prick is slightly right of Atilla the Hun!
Which is still on the left side of the American political spectrum. I assume the poster must have been from the US.
Whatever kind of prick David Cameron is, it's not a socialist one, genius.
Going just by the context of this article, it sounds like the government is trying to take control of the public wifi service industry. Which is either pure socialism or economic fascism, depending on how it's implemented.
But Cameron is the guy who's a war hawk and servant to the central bankers, right? That would exclude pure socialism from the choices above.
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OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
The inaccurate "socialist prick" bit distracts from the other half of what you said.
It is notoriously difficult to define pornography or obscenity. "The explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexual gratification" is clear enough, except that it's sometimes hard to be objective about the "purpose" of a given work.
There's a big grey area of work which some people would like to suppress on the grounds that it's pornography, but its creators would argue was art.
There's are also works which the creators intended as pornography, but which they claim is art anyway, in an effort to avoid suppression.
The grey area presents a problem of classification when making laws.
But, there's a huge amount of stuff that doesn't fall into the grey area. Work where the creator, the distributor, the consumer and the authorities are all happy to agree that the material is pornography. I don't see any problem with moves that make it easier to keep that stuff away from children. Of course, they'll find it eventually, but hopefully late enough that they'll have learned a bit of context.
Dude, seriously?
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Usually, this sort of thing is called "regulation". Pretty common really. Most countries have laws.
No porn from public WiFi hotspots, thats great when you think about coffee shops, etc., where you want to protect kids from potentially seeing this stuff.
However aren't there already public indecency laws that can be applied to people watching it in public? Why is there a need for a new law? Who is going to pay for the filtering software? Is this just some attempt to implement a filter "for the children!" that will eventually be applied to anything else, such as "We don't want kids to read about X Y or Z, that would be bad taste!"
It seems that once governments get these filters in place under the idea that they will protect children, they start using them to enforce other laws and/or censor anything that might not align with their 'good morals.'
UK government implements ISP porn ban... Oh, we can block The Pirate Bay now without too much overhead because these systems are already in place!
Usually, this sort of thing is called "regulation". Pretty common really. Most countries have laws.
You're right - I got the gist wrong from the summary. They're definitely talking about controlling businesses, not running it themselves. That's economic fascism when it implements a preference ("so that they are not going to see things they shouldn't"). If it prevents crime, that's an exercise of police power. 'Regulation' can cover both and many other feedback mechanisms, so it's non-specific in this regard.
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Wow...so no grammar sites (homophones), no dairy sites (homogenized milk is common)...of all the braindead filters.
It's about time someone recognized that stenvar, slashdot user number 2789879, is the aggregation of all American thought. Thanks for noticing.
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Yeah, it was fought to prevent the spread of authoritarian governments.
That's why I'm gay.
BWAHAHAHAHA! what planet do you live on??
America you dip!
Sorry I can't get a proper hick accent here.
After online work on my Pacific surfliner trip
I decide to relax surfing some porn sites.....
On Amtrakconnect is a NO,NO,NO.........
It feels like Saudi Arabia......
Never mind defining porn, define "public". The wireless networks in cafes and shops are not for just anyone; it's for patrons of the business. One could parse that to not mean "public" for several definitions.
I am an American and regardless of policy I have never once perceived the U.K. as socialist. I was raised being told that the U.K. was our powerful ally and friend in the fight against Nazis and Communists. Our country is pretty fucking big and diverse and I don't speak for all regions and people here but I would venture to say that my classmates also did not perceive the U.K. as being socialist. I wonder which Americans you've been talking to. I'd like to give them a piece of my mind but it would probably fall on deaf ears as my countrymen have proved over and over again that once they've made up their mind about something it can't be changed.
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I have to wonder why it's really necessary to even consider mandating filtering on public WiFi connections. The vast majority of them are in public places, and I have *never ever* seen anyone browsing porn in a public space. The amount of people who would browse porn when random strangers can see what you're doing has to be pretty damn small. It seems like a lot of political hot air to try and solve a problem that doesn't exist.
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No looking at pictures of the statue David in internet cafes? What about post modern cubist Rubenesque nudes?
No reading of illustrated medical texts?
No planning a vacation at a naturist reserve? Or even the Riviera?
Not watching The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo movie? The Swedish one of course...The USA one has that idiot pervasive unnecessarily loud sound track that completely drowns out the quieter dialog. STUPID!
& keep those old issues of National Geographic under brown paper! :-)
I remember trying to research into prehistoric music at college and I couldn't get on any sites that had the word homo in, ie Homo-sapiens, homo-erectus etc. Truly sad.
Yeah, homo-erectus would trigger gay AND porn filters.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I've been wWatching p0rn si8nce my 13 yewars old and Im perfwectly fine!
OPlease don5t minnd my spwelling mistakes, my otyher hand is busy...
You noticed this isn't Fapdot.org, right?
"so that they are not going to see things they shouldn’t."
Maybe they shouldn't see the comments of the opposition party or random ads. Who knows what else little wanna be dictators like Cameron will consider 'things that you shouldn't see"?
Where I live, if I try to get to thepiratebay.com it comes up with a page explaining it's blocked by court order. I get straight in on open hotspot on a bus though.
Headline by Yoda written it is.
"You can justify anything by putting it in quotes, adding a famous name and making it a sig" - Albert Einstein
You'll be pleased to hear I didn't have any trouble researching Cro-Magnon sites.
In a cybernetic fit of rage she pissed off to another age...
Then the Wicked Witch came along and started dismantling anything socialist. As a result, Britain is now a great country to be a very wealthy banker in, just like it was before about 1914.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
... compulsory hosts file.
But since its a public utility, I support their administration of it however they see fit. Hopefully communities have input and not just special interests over there in the UK...
The socialist's what? His gerbils?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Which is for joining two clauses into a sentence, not for starting one [1].
However, whether it's fascism or communism depends on what the intention is; to give wifi to everyone would be sosherlussum, to tell people what they can fi with their wi would be fascism.
[1] Unless it's a question.
True. And if such a thing came into being, even informally or unofficially, this wouldn't be their headquarters at all. No no no.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
LOL.. you do realise that Scottish and English Freemasonry are also separate and distinct?. Both have their own Grand Grand Lodge.
:) |o|
Scottish Lodges have a humorously and healthy laugh at English lodges as ALL the regalia is the same everywhere as is the ritual. whereas in Scotland each lodge has it's own regalia design and version of the ritual. In Scotland the 4th(Mark) Degree is done in the blue Lodge, in England it's a separate appendant lodge organisation. In Scotland there is no Oath to The Queen/King.. in England there most certainly is.
Then we get to the varius orders and such other than the blue lodge such as the royal arch and so on.. In Scotland the degrees are worked differently and fully. Not so much in England when they do Scottish Rite rituals(as opposed to York Rite) whereby the English are, in many cases, conferred degrees instead of actually going through the ritual... this due to the "jacobite flavour" of them.. this was not to Hanoverian tastes way back when and thus it was changed there.
It always makes me laugh my balls off when some tin foil hat merchant comes up with more nonsense about Freemasonry and this is one such occasion..... You see in Scotland we didn't have the big bad problems that the Grand Lodge of England had with the police in Freemasonry and the allegation and actual corruption for which London flying squad became very famous in the 70's and 80's.
Thus in answer to your silliness... there NEVER will be a single UK police force, not EVER and this is mostly due to the guarantees set up in the acxt of the union which guarantees the continuation of the Scottish legal system and with that Scottish police only within Scotland, albeit recently for the likes of the G8 of a few years ago, reinforcements were drafted in from England for that. Those guys who came up left a bad taste and earned a terrible reputation due to the way they treated people and spoke to people which is what actually kicked off the trouble(it was specifically the Manchester police verbally and in a couple of cases physically being abusive to locals and attempting to "kettle" people. In Scotland there is a very and i mean VERY different approach to policing even when i comes to protests etc. As was made abundantly clear when i was helping to blockade Faslane naval base, the home of the UK trident missiles), the police were calm, polite, humorous and it all went off in gentile fashion. I got arrested along with 44 others and we were all treated very respectfully by the police, unlike how that generally goes in England as i know from experience.
Also with the referendum on Scottish independence next year and there only needing to be a 5% swing in the vote to attain an Yes vote then this further reinforces the no chance factor of a UK police force.
to sum up.. you talk pants and know bugger all about Freemasonry and the major...MAJOR differences between the Scottish and English Fraternities..... yeah.. plural.. are they are different organisations.
The headline reads as if the rumor went that they had proposed porn from public wifi hotspots but that the rumor turned out not to be true.
Why just public WiFi? Porn should be banned on all WiFi, do you want those naked pics going through the child's body as dirty encrypted radiation?
(ducks for cover)
Well they try to make it look that way.
If that was true you wouldn't be allowed to reveal it. If you end up dangling from a bridge don't come crying to me.
P.S. You might want to work on your use of conjunctions, apostrophes and capitalization, brother. Oh, and paragraphs.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
isn't it hilarious how NON MASONS like to think they know more about Freemasonry than people to actually ARE masons? it's fucking brilliantly amusing! ,same same. In Scotland there is something quite funky about seeing the little differences in the ritual in each lodge. ;)
the only secrets in Freemasonry are the "means of recognition", which are.. handshakes, passwords, certain stances and certain signs along with certain parts of the ritual.. and that's it.
ALL UGLE blue lodges have the same regalia and all Grand lodge of Scotland Blue lodges... have their own design and there is absolutely NOTHING secret about that. In Scotland we find it hilarious as it's all the same and thus once you have visited one English lodge you have pretty much seem them ALL as it's all the same
It's patently obvious you think you are an expert but let me tell you, you are far from it..... all i can smell is conspiracy theory craptastica. EVERY Grand lodge , such as Scotland and England is a separate and distinct authority. there is no world governing body, to be quite frank i could NEVER see any Grand lodge giving up it's "Sovereignty" as it were to any other body.
Much like in america, each state has it's own Grand Lodge and i guarantee you that there would be no Grand lodge there that would cede it's authority to another states lodge or come under another lodge.... there are exception and oddities such as those lodges set up there under the auspices of the Grand lodge of Scotland or the UGLE. those however i would say with certainty are a minuscule exception.
But hey... you MUST know better than me, i've only been a mason for 22 years and been to lodges all over Scotland,England, Colorado,NJ,NY,Malta,Portugal,Germany and Sweden and I patently know nothing eh?
You make me laugh a lot to be quite frank... there is a vast difference between what you think you know and what actually IS.
P.S. you might want to work on what reality actually is,and facts and truth. Oh and paranoia . Also note for someone with dyslexia i do quite well thanks very much