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Eric Schmidt: Google Glass Critics 'Afraid of Change,' Society Will Adapt

curtwoodward writes "Eric Schmidt came to Harvard this week to discuss his new book, but many students really wanted to know more about the implications for privacy and social interaction once Google Glass starts hitting the market. Schmidt cautioned against jumping to the worst conclusions, saying that society always tends to adapt to new technologies — and he's hoping for etiquette rather than government regulation. Of course, that's what you would say if you used to run a company that has been fined and paid settlements to regulators for the way it scoops up data and tracks users. But Schmidt also doesn't have much patience for critics: 'Criticisms are inevitably from people who are afraid of change, or who have not figured out that there will be an adaptation of society.'"

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  1. Segway by kk49 · · Score: 4, Interesting

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    1. Re:Segway by niftydude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. Society picks up the changes it wants, and discards the ones it doesn't, and keeps on rolling.

      Just because the Schmidt spent millions of dollars developing a product doesn't mean it will be a success - only time will tell that. The Segway didn't crack the market, and google glass might not.

      Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind something like a ruggedized google glass for snow boarding, long distance running, or other sporting activities where you want to track things like speed, heart rate etc, but I can't see myself wearing something like that on a daily basis just to walk around town.

      But maybe there is a segment of society that needs to know the location of the nearest burger joint stat, and doesn't have the attention span to remember how to get there without walking into walls unless the directions are drip fed to them every 5 seconds. There are certainly many other multi-billion dollar industries out there from which I have never bought a single product.

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    2. Re:Segway by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook is a better example.

      How many people post things to facebook every minute that they later regret? Now with google glasses such postings are basically going to be automatic.

      Crap I don't like the fact that Amazon has my shopping history from 1997 on there. I don't need to see what books I bought back then and that information isn't even public.

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    3. Re:Segway by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think his comment was aimed more at those who simply don't want to be recorded 24x7. Although this is becoming the norm in some of the larger metro areas across it's not all that common in the U.S for example.

      I actually find I'm not all that comfortable with it either and I'm no criminal. It just has a bit of a creepy vibe that's hard to ignore.

      It's also hard to ignore Google primary business profit motive. Couple that with these, and the likely place that these sorts of clips, photos, and video's will end up, and it just turns me off to the idea.

      My personal opinion, but it is what it is.

    4. Re:Segway by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that the people who buy it will have more of say than people who don't. There's many reasons why one might not buy one other than finding the whole thing to be repulsive. Not to mention that the people using them are selling out the rest of us.

      FB was a similar problem and is pretty damning in terms of nipping this in the bud before it gets out of control. With image databases and face recognition technology, those of us that haven't handed over our data don't have any means of opting out of the system, we're included because some other wankers don't value their privacy or ours sufficiently to respect that we didn't ask to be labeled.

      So yes, it might fail, but there's no way of guaranteeing that it will fail and or that the rights of people that don't want it will be respected. And Schmidt himself can go to hell.

    5. Re:Segway by Silas+is+back · · Score: 2

      Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind something like a ruggedized google glass for snow boarding [...]

      That already exists, the Zeal Z3. One third the price of google glass, speedometer, temperature, altimeter and more inside the goggles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9u1mUlK8qg

      I have never seen somebody wearing these while snowboarding, nor would I want one, but there you go.

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  2. Big words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... coming from a man who only has to be a part of this "society" when it suits him. He's not subject to the surveillance culture since he can hang out in his private office or home.

    Oh, by the way, people who are afraid of drones being used by the public are just afraid of change. You should totally try to adapt.

    Captcha: Infringe

    1. Re:Big words... by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Let's not forget that he (Google's Eric Schmidt) is a vindictive bastard, too. When CNET journalists dug out some publically available information on him personally, (read for yourself) he attacked their livelihood by banning them from talking with the whole of Google for a year.

      Frankly, he's a bit of a loose cannon, if I was a Google executive, I'd think about ways to muzzle him.

    2. Re:Big words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      schmidty really is a wanker.

    3. Re:Big words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      and you'd be going up against a guy that directly controls your own livelihood, a man who as you describe is a vindictive bastard and the billionaire head of an advertising giant tentacled throughout pretty much everything on the web.

      He'll get muzzled by the only people that can, if/when glass fails and/or when google has a bad quarter and the investors come calling looking for a publicly visible head on a spike.

    4. Re:Big words... by game+kid · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:Big words... by ickleberry · · Score: 2

      I dunno lads. I've been thinking he was a bit of a gobshite for years with his "nothing to hide" and "mere humans shouldn't be allowed to drive cars" nonsense but it's worser he's getting now

  3. Google Glass is the new Segway by DontScotty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Radical Change Product= Radical Change Product

    Where can it be used legally? = Where can it be used legally?

    How comfortable are people going to be when they see you have one and they don't? = How comfortable are people going to be when they see you have one and they don't?

    Kinda Spend y - people who can't afford it will be all sour grapes. :-)

    1. Re:Google Glass is the new Segway by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I like the idea of running up to people and shouting "safe surfing off", "open ten tabs with pictures of goatse and tub girl", "glass, send e-mail to boss, include link to lemon party.com. send now.",

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    2. Re:Google Glass is the new Segway by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's lemonparty.ORG!

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    3. Re:Google Glass is the new Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know they said the same things about bluetooth headsets. People will think you are crazy!

      Actually, we said, "You're going to look like a douche."

      And that's what happened. Anyone wandering around talking to nobody looks like a douche. We called it exactly.

    4. Re:Google Glass is the new Segway by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know they said the same things about bluetooth headsets. People will think you are crazy!

      People DO think you're crazy when you wear one. And an asshole.

  4. Afraid of change by Camembert · · Score: 2

    Considering the initial mockery of for example the iPad here on Slashdot, I would say that this condition afflicts this group as much as others.

    1. Re:Afraid of change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or the way people used to get annoyed by others using their cell phones in movie theaters. Now we've adapted, and know those old complaints were just fear of change.

    2. Re:Afraid of change by Camembert · · Score: 2

      True, here on slashdot some still do. While the rest of the world has been massively adopting and enjoying iPads and similar Android devices. Who's afraid of change there?

    3. Re:Afraid of change by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sometimes the geeks are so narrowly obsessed they miss the big picture.

      The same geeks laughed at the PC like we do the IPAD when it came out because it was not as cool as the mainframe when doing word processing. Look whom won?

      I bashed the IPAD too as I wanted a hip macbook and heard the rumors of a low cost netbook and found iOS a neutered cell phone OS. Boo! I was wrong and misunderstood that some people just didn't give a shit about a full featured OS. I missed the point as I was a geek who was narrow.

      Same is true with some Linux folks I see touting how XP users in hospitals who are sticking with their old software due to costs recommend Linux. I hate to tell you guys this but without apps who gives a fuck!? You mean GNU is going to donate the $10,000 required for certification? How sweet etc.

      The geeks are afraid of change which is Windows. And the doctors are the ones who rightfully do not want to change as their software only runs on XP and why fix what is not broken?

    4. Re:Afraid of change by tftp · · Score: 2

      I remember when "walkmen/boomboxes will destroy society since people will use them during movies and in public restrooms"

      Boomboxes did help to destroy society, in a small way, but not because of movies and restrooms. Boomboxes allowed young people to take a part of their home (the entertainment) with them wherever they are - in a car, in an abandoned house, in a forest. A gang has music now. Today the same gang has mobile communication and mobile computing, making gang members more mobile and less attached to their homes. Only 50 years ago a home was the center of living, where everything happened. Today a home is just a place to stop by occasionally to sleep or to see parents. All this is enabled not just by boomboxes, but by technology in general. It empowers people with good intentions and people with bad intentions, and the society changes.

    5. Re:Afraid of change by node+3 · · Score: 2

      And how does that (basically, I think they're shit and I don't want one and anyone who does is a hipster twat) equate to *fear* of *change*?

      Nah, it just makes you an overly self-important asshole. The thing you are missing here is that it's fine and dandy that you don't want one, don't like them, etc. But there's no good reason to put down people who do.

      Back to the original statement about fear of change, the point was about people who decried the iPad from the beginning. All their "complaints" were about how the iPad wasn't just a touch MacBook. They wanted all the power and complexity of a notebook in a tablet. In other words, the same old same old.

      Instead, we got true change. Those complaints were wrong and horribly misguided. Your current assholery is different. Now you just put people down for having different opinions.

  5. Sure society may adapt ... by Trongy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to Google Glass, but it will never adapt to privately owned drones.

  6. Change... by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

    If this is your definition of change, you can shove it up your ass.

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    1. Re:Change... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, but if you have something that you don't want anyone to fly a drone over, well, there just may have to be some regulations of drones...

    2. Re:Change... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

      If this is your definition of change, you can shove it up your ass.

      Yeah... If he believes that, when is he putting the web cam in his shower?

    3. Re:Change... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It will be like a never ending business meeting without the coffee breaks needed to get something accomplished, 'cause there is NO record or log running when you stand around the little coffee table and may speak freely without fearing that someone will jump up and yell "But you said X just (flips pages) 33 minutes ago!"

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  7. Pay attention to Eric by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Your owner has spoken. It is your responsibility to obey his commands. If you do not, his operation will extract vengeance.

    Welcome to your new position as a lowly serf in the new digital order. Shut up and do as you are told.

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  8. criticisms by iamnobody2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    glass is a very worrying invention. no expectation of privacy in public is very different then lots of people being able to record everything they see. wait 'til a bunch of peeping tom videos start appearing, or people taking videos of kids on the beach, or until someone with glass gets shot because a dealer thinks they might have recorded that drug deal. the surveillance we have now, we can at least vaguely hope no one is using it for fap material, or won't put it out to embarrass us. does your nose itch? better not scratch it, there's three people with google glass over there and you'd hate for them to record it and put it up on youtube looking like you're picking your nose. is there even a light showing people that its recording? laptops sometimes have those, that'd be something at least

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    1. Re:criticisms by Nyder · · Score: 2

      glass is a very worrying invention. no expectation of privacy in public is very different then lots of people being able to record everything they see. wait 'til a bunch of peeping tom videos start appearing, or people taking videos of kids on the beach, or until someone with glass gets shot because a dealer thinks they might have recorded that drug deal. the surveillance we have now, we can at least vaguely hope no one is using it for fap material, or won't put it out to embarrass us. does your nose itch? better not scratch it, there's three people with google glass over there and you'd hate for them to record it and put it up on youtube looking like you're picking your nose. is there even a light showing people that its recording? laptops sometimes have those, that'd be something at least

      well, you must be new to the internet, that has long been peeping tom videos (called voyeurism vids), and yes, pictures of kids at the beach. Already online. Hey, even naked kids because you can find nudist pictures easy.

      Drug Dealers shooting you because they think you recorded them, sounds like any of the Cop TV Show plots. Chances are if you stumble on any serious enough drug deal that they are carrying guns, they are going to be shooting you regardless if they think you recorded them or not. That of course, is based, like your assumption, off TV cop shows. In reality, the chances of the cops accepting your video as proof to arrest someone for drug dealing is slim, to none, unless they have it out for the dealer. You recording them isn't proof enough, unless it's a recording of an undercover buying drugs.

      If you are worried about people recording you in public, get some IR lights, put them around your face while in public (lighted of course), and it should, in theory, shine bright enough on camera that no one can make out your face.

       

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    2. Re:criticisms by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem isn't being seen in public. It's being seen in public, and identified. And possibly doing something controversial.

      First - identification. Google has already announced plans to use facial and clothing recognition to put faves to names (and their Google accounts). Now, whether or not the Glass user gets this information is irrelevant. It just means Google now knows where you are every minute of every day. All it takes is for some Glass user to capture you in the camera.

      Next, imagine his argument of busybodies. He's afraid of drones flying over his house because it infringes on his rights to do as he pleases. But how about you? Not a problem.

      And don't forget what having all that information tied to you is worth. Insurance companies would love to know what you buy at the supermarket - do you buy chips and pop, or fruits and vegetables? Your heath insurance premiums may depend on it. (Remember how we argue this with supermarket loyalty cards? Glass will be even more accurate).

      Nevermind busybodies who keep track of people who buy videogames (videogames cause violence!), alcohol (alcohol abuse! drunk driving!, prohibition!), adult stores, abortion clinics, etc.

    3. Re:criticisms by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      glass is a very worrying invention. no expectation of privacy in public is very different then lots of people being able to record everything they see.

      It reminds me of the Isaac Azimov short story The Dead Past. The premise is (spoilers ahead) that there's a government conspiracy to control and limit access to a Chronoscope which can view any arbitrary point in the past like a video recording, allowing them to research things like how the ancient Greeks lived. The protagonists fight to expose this conspiracy and make the technology available to everyone. Only to realize just after they've released the plans for building it to the world that the past begins an instant ago, and the device can be used to watch anyone anywhere in near real-time.

      I never thought we'd be seeing a technology with similar consequences developed in my lifetime.

    4. Re:criticisms by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Glass is not an 'invention', it is a manifestation of the reality of where microelectronics are today. Google isnt breaking any terribly new ground here hardware wise. The real innovations for them are software, how it functions, what they learn from the interactions etc. Google Glass is just the very tip of the iceberg of what is coming and what can be built NOW in wearable tech.

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    5. Re:criticisms by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You read science fiction and didnt see wearable tech coming by now? Or were expecting to die sooner?

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    6. Re:criticisms by node+3 · · Score: 2

      Because if you slip on a banana peel in public, twenty people get a chuckle and then it never gets brought up again. If it happens to get recorded and uploaded onto the internet, millions of people laugh at you, and it never ends.

      Or if you're a girl, and a gust of wind blows your skirt up. Or an adolescent facing peer pressure and acceptance. Or you're mentally ill or have a handicap that can be embarrassing at times.

      There are countless things you'd want to keep fleeting. Some you might, for very good reason, want to lie about, but that's by no means the sole reason. Some things you just don't want ever brought up again.

  9. google glass good; drones bad by asynchronous13 · · Score: 2

    Is this the same guy that wants to ban drones? Egads. Perhaps he should take his own advice.

    1. Re:google glass good; drones bad by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      I think Eric Schmidt believes privacy should exist up to the point where Google can monetize it.

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  10. Re:Change? by spd_rcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about niche needs. I know my use of a hud for motorcycle turn by turn directions would be niche, but I'm pretty sure Google's intentions are anything but. By convincing people to record and upload more data from more personal places, they're looking to greatly expand their data mining. I don't know about "don't be evil", I think their new moto is "just don't be obvious".

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  11. Re:Google karma down by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    I don't know about you, but I'm despising Google more and more with every passing day. I think they are going to be right there with Microsoft if they continue down this path.

    Yeah... And now that I think of it, this IRS thing might not be that good an idea either...


    I think you may be a little late to this party.

  12. Re:Yeah right, students concerned about privacy by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want to get people rightfully worried about the implacations of privacy, you need to come up with a better story then black helicopters AND/OR "I behaved like an ass in public and I don't want to be held accountable for it".

    Well played, AC... well played.

  13. No you dolt, they come from adopters too. by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But Schmidt also doesn't have much patience for critics: 'Criticisms are inevitably from people who are afraid of change, or who have not figured out that there will be an adaptation of society.'"

    Fucking idiot. Criticisms don't only come from people who are afraid of change. Personally, I don't even consider my body to be what makes me "me", and would love to replace it all with sturdier mechanical parts. I love the rate at which humans keep making technology smaller and merging with it: Clothes are Wearable Shelters. Glasses are magnifying lenses you wear, and Contacts are glasses IN your eyes. We have titanium hips and even exoskeletons helping the disabled to walk again. Tech is great! Adding a digital camera and HUD to my optical systems sounds awesome!

    However, I WANT TO CONTROL MY BODY. I don't value my flesh the same way others do, but I realize that it IS important to be able to control my body in whatever form it takes. I don't want to wear a prison. I don't want to wear a tracking device (unless I can control who can track it). I consider my clothes to be just a part of my body as I consider my bones. My skin is a mobile temperature regulating wetsuit perfect for being born on Earth and exploring a great deal of this Planet; I've grown quite attached to my body and its more temporary parts (shirts, hair, etc), and respect and care for my self-grown or artificial coverings; I would treat any replacement or modification thereof as equally valuable and deserving of care. Most of all, I want to be able to fix things if they break, and a replacement is a ways off -- That's a prime concern for anything I integrate with in a substantial life affecting way.

    Fortunately my skin is self healing, it contains the data and systems needed to provide this function and I carry the repair mechanisms with me everywhere -- It's important to my continued exploration of this world. I know how contacts work exactly, their design is fully transparent to me. I know how to fix glasses and the mathematics for shaping their lenses are readily available to me. Where are the damn design documents, technical specs, and and source code for these new optical sensors you're selling me? If they're to become part of my body in a significant degree to change ME then I NEED this basic info, or we're at an impasse. I need to be able to know EVERYTHING about how they operate. If they're not just toys, if they will potentially help me change the life I live, then there are some CONCERNS and Criticisms that need to be addressed -- Firstly, your attitude towards my concerns, and secondly the degree of ownership I have over these new body parts we both want me to adopt.

    I want to control my clothes. I don't want what I wear spying on me or sending signals that I don't want them to send. I don't want YOU to own MY BODY or everything that I do; Especially I don't want you owning copyright over all the things I see. There are a host of other concerns I have, but I don't care to voice them all here because I have better things to do than put forth questions into culture that will be ignored by the likes of Schmidt. If you shy away from the concerns of critics then I guess you don't care to reassure the people who are your prime adopters, most ready for change that you actually give a fuck about what's really important. The privacy implications become GREATLY increased the closer I integrate any technology with my brain, you fool!

    Seriously, someone ought to filter this fucker's output because he's making himself out to be a fucking idiot. Let me get this straight, I shouldn't be able to give my eyeballs wings and let them soar over the land and see what they can see, but I shouldn't criticize people who want to co-opt my visions for marketing purposes? For someone who advocates adapting to social changes wrought by technological advances, Schmidt seems to be pretty fucking hypocritical when it comes to actually adjusting to the changes himself. That f

  14. how we should treat Eric Schmidt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't leave anywhere near him. But people who do should start following him around in public. Filming everything he does, with a telephoto lens from afar if necessary. And posting it on the internet.

    Because if he doesn't like that, he must just be one of those people afraid of change. If he's afraid of people recording what he's doing, maybe he shouldn't be doing it. Etc.

  15. Sometimes we should fear change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If someone threated, for example, to CHANGE the relative locations of his facial features (to rearrange his face, so to speak,) I'd wager he'd be "afraid" of such a change too, the smug, hypocritical bastard.

    We don't much like the idea of people walking around having the ability to snap photos without having to do anything making it at least a little obvious that they're taking them, the same way we don't like, 364 days out of the year, people walking around wearing masks and costumes that obscure their faces so you can't tell who they are or what expression they're wearing.

    Schmidt's supercilious attitude that anyone who doesn't like people walking around with cameras perched on their heads recording continuously is a Luddite, is an insult, quite frankly. How do you suppose he'd feel about people recording HIM everywhere he goes? For the sake of argument, let's pretend that he, like most of the rest of us, can't go off somewhere to hide from prying eyes and ears, given most of the rest of us aren't rich. He probably would feel different.

    I have a bad feeling that people using Google Glass are going to get assaulted, battered, and have their "Glasses" ripped off their heads and shoved up their asses. The Schmidthead apparently thinks etiquette will keep people from misbehaving... he's really living in lala-land if he believes that schmidt.

    As for society adapting, I think people will start to take more steps to avoid being photographed, such as with disguises, large sunglasses, etc., which I may have to go out and buy now.

    When did Google cross over to the Dark Side (TM)? Does anyone know? They're clearly evil now, but when did it actually happen? When did they start down the Dark Path?

  16. Re:The problem is not the product itself by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    So where does that lead us to? A device which watches us all, which sends much of that data to central services provided by Google, where that data will most likely be stored and can most likely be accessed by law enforcement agencies.

    This is often repeated, but realize that it can't record all the time. There's not enough CPU power, storage, or always-on network connectivity. This was an intentional decision to get it into the form factor at the right price point. Typically it's for still pictures and streaming really tiny pictures over Google Talk. If your strip club or movie theatre has WiFi in it and allows you to access in the venue, you might end up streaming postage stamps to people, at best.

    Plus it will be pretty obvious when you take pictures, since you have to touch it active and say "Glass, take picture". The bouncer will likely throw you out at that point.

    It basically doesn't do any more that your ordinary cell phone, and people pretend to text with those while filiming, and they have better net connectivity and local storage, even with no WiFi access.

  17. That is exactly what will happen with igoggles. by MRe_nl · · Score: 3, Informative

    People (drunk, ignorant, criminal, other, or any combination of the aforementioned) will attempt to shove it up your ass...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/steve-mann-attacked-paris-mcdonalds-digital-eye-glass-photos_n_1680263.html

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  18. Re:The problem is not the product itself by Casandro · · Score: 2

    Yes, but why doesn't Google free that protocol so you can run your own servers? I mean just being able to choose my own backend would make that thing much less problematic.

    Sure not everybody will run their own servers, but I could choose to not trust Google but trust perhaps the local computer club running such a system.

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  20. He is a hypocrite by RedDeadThumb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Compare his comments about the hobby of building and flying model airplanes http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/private-drones-pose-privacy-threat-says-googles-eric-schmidt-1C9340969 with Schmidt cautioned against jumping to the worst conclusions, saying that society always tends to adapt to new technologies — and he's hoping for etiquette rather than government regulation.

  21. Re:blowhard shills by mark-t · · Score: 2

    It's absolutely a fallacy, which falls under many names, starting with the Straw Man fallacy.

    No. The strawman fallacy is the representation of the opponent's argument under a (perhaps superficially) similar or tangentially related position, one that is usually relatively easily defeated by some additional presented argument, and then presuming that by extension, the flaws that led to that position being defeated by the argument would indicate fatal flaws in the original position that was allegedly being represented.

    Rather, suggesting that people who oppose Google Glass are merely afraid of change is most definitely a type of ad hominem fallacy, which is where the person presenting their view somehow attacks the people that disagree with the argument rather than the argument itself. Whether the attack might reflect a true statement is irrelevant, the fallacy lies in the fact that it does not actually address the critic's argument, but instead attacks the critic themselves.

    In fact, this particular example is probably most similar to the notion of "poisoning the well", which pre-emptively presents adverse information about a target (who will presumably disagree with the arguer) with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person may be about to say.

  22. Re:An obnoxious school of argument... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    It's called ad-hominem attack and is pretty low on the "how good is your discussion position". It's basically a step up from "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE, THAT'S WHY!"

    A group of people who oppose something (or endorse it, depending on what you want to prove) and who is generally seen as "unfavorable" is picked out, everyone opposing/endorsing it is lumped into that group and then an argument is constructed around this negatively seen group and it is suggested that everyone opposing/endorsing something is in this group. The most infamous recent example would be the "if you're against CCTV, you must be a pedo" statement from ... IIRC a governor.

    The attempt is to silence opposition by making them think if they are against/for something, they belong into this group that they don't want to belong in. In this example, nobody "hip" wants to be seen as a tech-hating Luddite, so you better get those Google goggles if you want to stay "hip".

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  23. Re:Honest question... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because you could do something stupid. Everyone has the odd accident every now and then, a glass tipped, a spot of ice on the road where you slip, and let's not forget the good ol' split pants. Yes, these moments can be kinda embarrassing, but they're passing. A few people may see you try to keep your rear end covered as you do your best to get home without being seen, and it's horrible the moment it happens, but afterwards it's over. Some people may laugh about it, but it is forgotten 10 minutes later.

    Not so with the internet.

    All it takes is you wearing some kind of odd underwear or ... hell, whatever. Freak accidents happen. You slip, try to steady yourself with the table, knock it over, trip the cupboard with all the cake... you get the idea.

    How long 'til it's a meme?

    It will be embellished with some added photoshop pics and clever editing, making it look like your accident eventually tripped some nuke or something. I have to admit, my imagination for such things is a bit limited, but I guess everyone here can come up with at least one clever thing to do with it. 1% thereof might be funny enough to catch on.

    Now multiply with a few million internet users.

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  24. Are you free, Mrs Slocombe? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Look whom won?

    I guess it wasn't your English teacher.

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  25. If only we could start over... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm reminded of Scott McNealy, formerly top dog at Sun, who (in)famously expressed a similar "privacy is dead" kind of attitude and believed everything belonged on the network rather than distributed/client-based. How's that working out for them?

    I'm not sure getting rid of Google or Facebook will be quite so easy, but I am increasingly convinced that the tech world would be a better place if they disappeared tomorrow and we were forced to take a fresh look at how to do the kinds of things they do instead of many people just using them by default. There is way too much power over real people's lives being concentrated in a couple of US corporations with a track record of abuse, some morally questionable people running the show, and very limited (by the standards in most of the first world) safeguards to keep them in check. It is far from clear that if we started over on questions like "How do we find information?" or "How do we keep in touch with friends and family" then we'd decide the current ways of doing various things are the best ones, or even good ones.

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