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Ubuntu Closes Longstanding Bug #1
dargaud writes "Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu fame has closed the primal bug on Launchpad, standing since 2004 and titled 'Microsoft has a majority market share,' due to the 'changing realities' of tablets, smartphones, and wearable computing."
to say I have no idea what this is about, nor do I care
to say, damn you Mark Shuttleworth, now we have to worry about actual code related bugs.
Mr. America walk on by your schools that do not teach Mr. America walk on by the minds that won't be reached
I think Microsoft fixed this bug by creating a compatibility issue that prevents its OS from functioning on devices that people actually like to use.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
since the last moves of Ubuntu seem to indicate 'refile for Android' as a solution?
Ubuntu -> Microsoft
Ubuntu? Could the editors at least provide a link or a short explanation in the summary about what exactly "Ubuntu" is? I've never heard of it, and I think many others here haven't either.
Not in my house it doesn't.
:)
1 Win 7 laptop
1 MacBook Pro
1 Chrome Book
3 Raspberry PIs running Raspbian
1 Android tablet
1 Android phone
1 blackberry playbook
1 Apple TV
Looks like Linux wins, with Android a close second.
The best part is that this is all for one person living alone.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
New bug posted.
Android has too much market share.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
That's not a bug, it's a complaint.
Microsoft is losing market share to tablets and smartphones, but these are shut tighter than the PC platform ever was. I'm not sure that's something to celebrate.
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
For a second I was expecting the "bug" to be some actual major bug or security issue that has existed for years. But all it is... is Microsoft's marketing dominance? I mean, I agree that their monopoly is/was a bad thing, but I find it ironic and funny that it was classified as a bug.
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
from TFA : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
He obviously missed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
This
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
..Apple has majority market mindshare
If we look at "anything with an OS" did Microsoft ever have the majority of the marketshare?
That's essentially what Mr. Shuttleworth has done. Typical for a South African. You see, the "market share" that was being referred to was desktop/laptop computers, not phones, tables, anything with a CPU or chip of RAM. The ironic part is that among phones and tables, Canonical is dead last and their share of Linux PCs continues to fall as people move onto better distros like Mint. (Yes, I know that's derived from Ubuntu).
Personally, I don't think this bug is fixed yet. Desktop Linux still lingers around 1% market share, and while Android, OEM involvement and new AAA software titles, I think we still have a long way to go. Oh, well. Debian fanboy's 2 cents.
I'm not against the closing of this bug; however, the closed status should be something like "Can't Fix" [0]. While, technically speaking, Microsoft doesn't have the majority of the marketshare anymore, the originally prescribed goal of this bug was:
A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.
Note that *even if* we count Android/Linux, and also count every type of device like mobile phones and tables, nearly all of those devices -- even those running Android/Linux or Ubuntu -- include proprietary software (Many Android/Linux devices include *mostly* proprietary software, since
nearly all the applications are proprietary). Thus, it's just not accurate at this time to argue "Fix Released" for the key issue that this bug was supposed to be about: namely, "most devices in use today are running mostly proprietary software". It'll probably be generations before we close that bug, and that's why I'd
argue the problem probably can't be fixed as part of the lifecycle of Ubuntu itself. Thus "Can't Fix" is the right bug-close status.
[0] "Won't Fix" isn't right because that would presupose Ubuntu actually had the ability to fix the problem and chose not to. Sadly, I don't think it was ever really within the power of the Ubuntu project to fix the problem in the first place. Nevertheless, I thank Ubuntu for the early years (i.e., pre-UbuntuOne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375272 ) when Ubuntu truly tried to close Bug 1. It's a tough job to give software freedom to the majority of users, but we should all keep trying to do it.
Cute entries like that wouldn't be tolerated in some workplaces. I prefer a professional attitude in the bug tracking system. They should purge anything else similar to this that isn't an actual bug.
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Ubuntu and *nix in general has been getting better and better.... and then Windows put a shotgun in its mouth and pulled the trigger, becoming "Windows 8".
I was about to post this, but figured I'd better see if anyone else had.
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Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
This bug affects: 1 person
is assigned to: Apple and Google
Labels Applied to this issue: wont fix, invalid
Status:Completed
Have been greatly exaggerated. Phones and tablets have largely been a distinct market. I don't think it has really had any particular effect on PC or laptop market.
I'm willing to beleve that *sales* of x86 systems to the consumer market have slowed. I think though that *usage* hasn't decreased appreciably. x86 ecosystem got 'good enough' for the vast majority of market and performance needs no longer drive demand. I think this would have been the reality with or without android/ios/etc.
It does reaffirm that Ubuntu just does not care about the desktop model at all. That was self-evident from the crap of Unity and Mir though. It further erodes what little respect I had for the distribution. They are chasing market opportunity more than trying to provide value to their users. It's sad on both ends. On one end, their once respectable desktop experience has languished. On the other end, their attempts to get into televisions and phones have been pretty pathetic.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Like this one:
#461000 General populace ignorance of Ubuntu
Easy fix; stop doing stupid things that are driving people to Mint etc. and get back to what a lot of people, (including me) were hoping for at the beginning - a decent distro that "just works" that we would could confidently install at friends, family, neighbours, SOHO whatever, without support nightmares at evenings and weekends. (Yes, I've been dicking around with BSD etc. for years, but I do need some time with my family...)
With MS busy pissing people off with Win8, they've missed a great opportunity.
I had some success 'converting' people with Linux skinned as XP; c'mon Mark; where's Ubuntu Win7 edition?
....trixs are for kids
I've been on Slashdot for a while now and I'll never understand the fanaticism that drives the UNIX culture that would spawn the
1. Creation of a bug report that is, essentially, a political statement
2. One that is left open for 9 years just because they are that childish
3. Reporting said bug/political statement has been closed as if some monumental success has been achieved.
The typical "bug fixing" strategy for open source seems to be
Microsoft + IBM and then cheap Compaq clones were a natural reaction to the closed nature of the computer market pushed by the likes of Apple in the 80s. The closed software was a problem of the PC, with the expectation that it would be replaced with either Linux or some other laxly licensed, source and support available OS.
And now we're supposed to celebrate we're back in the 80, only that instead of Amstad, Amiga, Apple, IBM, Sinclair, Attari, ... etc. all we have now is Google and Apple.
I cannot disagree that Ubuntu (and Canonical) have done a good (no, great) job at bringing Linux more into peoples' hearts and minds. To say that Ubuntu is a poster-boy distro, however, would be a crime. Ubuntu stood on the shoulders of Debian to gain its traction, but past the initial push of getting better hardware/driver support, it seems like the roadmap of Ubuntu has been about as scattered as darts thrown by a drunken barfly. A bunch of ambitious "tries" at different angles, with very little attention to actually fixing bugs to maintain their stability/usability ("Won't fix" as new release is out, LTS: Long-term-suffering, ...). I really, really tried loving Ubuntu for the long term, even bet my biggest contract on them to bring LTSP to schools (one of their ambitious "tries" back in the day) but their coordination with outside OSS projects and communities were disappointing to me.
I'm not trying to bash Ubuntu, like I said they have done a lot of good. But I'm typing this on my Debian workstation, which I left to go to Ubuntu for a number of years, and now I'm back. And I couldn't be happier, because I haven't had such a stable system in years =) None the less, congrats on fixing the infamous bug #1 I guess. It is a very sentimental thing, I'm sure.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
according to Wikimedia. I agree with the trend sentiment, but they still have a majority.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
"enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices."
Apparently so does ubuntu's integrated search by default.
by microsoft of all people.....
called windows 8.
Not sure why this wasn't closed ages ago.
"XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, use more." - Anonymous Coward
...
Closed; won't fix; can't reproduce.
6% to dip under 50%, but they'll still have the largest piece of the pie over all the other players individually (even if you group them into corporations instead of OS), and thus will continue to have market dominance for some time yet.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Agreed, they should update the bug title to say 'plurality'. :)
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I have three reasons for reading/posting this. The first is that eog is broken since I recently upgraded Ubuntu; I should be wading through thousands of pictures right now, but can't. The other is that I cannot switch virtual desktops anymore since the upgrade so I'm stuck on this one.
I've been using Ubuntu for years on multiple boxes and I've never experienced an upgrade that did not totally kill my tediously constructed desktop configuration and a handful of applications I Just Need.
Which brings me to the third and final reason for being here: I'm too lazy to get up and fetch the Debian netinstall disk. I'd rather see Ubuntu disappear entirely so I won't be tempted to make the mistake of installing it ever again.
0x or or snor perron?!
Sorry. Just got hired by Microsoft. They pay well. Please disregard all my previous writings.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
Freetards are neckbeard losers that are butthurt because Linux is still years behind Microsoft and Apple.
not fixed...Ubuntu still exists!!!
That's not exactly a scientific measurement of what this bug was talking about. It only gauges the OSes of people who visit their websites.
Scenario:
If I need an answer to something and I'm playing a game at my Windows 7 PC, am I going to pick-up one of the 5 android devices in my house to figure it out, or am I going to Alt+Tab to Wiki it? Let's say I Alt+Tab it... I registered as a Windows OS on their crawler, and chocked one tick up for Microsoft. What about the 5 ticks for Android that I also own?
You see why this data is fairly irrelevant?
It simply says how people access their website, not what OSes are in every home, let alone what OSes are for sale on the devices when you walk into an electronics store.
and only 4,6789,050 bugs left to go.
I got to the chocolate box before you, that's why the hard ones have teeth marks.
Well looks like all that remains is for Katherine Noyes to hold a megaphone up to hairyfeet's mouth while she jumps him.
For all devices running Windows or anything else...
If we're going to count them, I need to see how to get to a command prompt. If I can't, it doesn't matter if it's Windows, Linux, or the fictional OS on hacker and government computers in TV and movies.
If that definition doesn't work for you, here's a better one - if I can't *change* which OS the device runs, never mind choose from any, we shouldn't be counting it. Java may be in your ATMs, gas pumps, toaster, and battery operated vibrators, but it doesn't matter if someone outside of the device has to tell you this, and the same goes for the OS.
Bug 1.1- Apple has a majority market share
I worked for a company, that is no more, whose CEO spent lots of time bashing Microsoft. Had he spent more time giving this company the focus it needed, it might still be with us. The same could be true of Canonical, whose mishandling of the Unity/Gnome 3, and even the possibility that they might not support xOrg in the future; has hurt Linux. They should pay attention to focus, and the benefit to the Linux community.
Fat egos are the source of this problem, not giving users a choice. We could do more about Microsoft if the government and legal system worked and said that the OEM arrangement that lets Microsoft bundle its OS with most of the desktops sold in the world, is a unfair advantage that should not be allowed.
If you could buy a PC with a choice of OS or no OS, the market share problem would be solved. Linux, and Free BSD are mature enough to take a much larger share than they have now. Or we can hope that Microsoft has already lost the battle as it stumbles getting on the tablet and mobile platforms which are displacing desktops. On servers *NIX has a much more competitive share.
I would change Linux. I would make it filesystem agnostic, including installing in NTFS, without needing to partition the drive. I would allow for distros to be run out of any image or directory structure, including swapon files, and remove the whole partitioning issue. This is already done. Either there is no reason to partition, or to partition so any Liniux can install on single large filesystem of a type supported by all releases. This is also done, as it is the basis for virtualization. Why even virtualize? Why not run another Linux from the same device?