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Ubuntu Closes Longstanding Bug #1
dargaud writes "Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu fame has closed the primal bug on Launchpad, standing since 2004 and titled 'Microsoft has a majority market share,' due to the 'changing realities' of tablets, smartphones, and wearable computing."
to say, damn you Mark Shuttleworth, now we have to worry about actual code related bugs.
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I think Microsoft fixed this bug by creating a compatibility issue that prevents its OS from functioning on devices that people actually like to use.
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since the last moves of Ubuntu seem to indicate 'refile for Android' as a solution?
New bug posted.
Android has too much market share.
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Microsoft is losing market share to tablets and smartphones, but these are shut tighter than the PC platform ever was. I'm not sure that's something to celebrate.
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For a second I was expecting the "bug" to be some actual major bug or security issue that has existed for years. But all it is... is Microsoft's marketing dominance? I mean, I agree that their monopoly is/was a bad thing, but I find it ironic and funny that it was classified as a bug.
It's a self-righteous organization proclaiming that they're more ethical and free than evil corporate computing empires, while at the same time lead by a moronic billionaire who wants to be as cool and smart as Steve Jobs, but continuously throws tantrums when no one takes him seriously because he is not actually Steve Jobs.
Not in my house it doesn't. 1 Win 7 laptop 1 MacBook Pro 1 Chrome Book 3 Raspberry PIs running Raspbian 1 Android tablet 1 Android phone 1 blackberry playbook 1 Apple TV Looks like Linux wins, with Android a close second. The best part is that this is all for one person living alone. :)
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it seems that they're saying that in 2004, MS had a majority, but this is now changing and thus the bug can be closed. With your enumeration you simply give anecdotal evidence to this.
This
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Don't you mean GNU/Doofus?
Personally, I don't think this bug is fixed yet. Desktop Linux still lingers around 1% market share, and while Android, OEM involvement and new AAA software titles, I think we still have a long way to go. Oh, well. Debian fanboy's 2 cents.
I'm not against the closing of this bug; however, the closed status should be something like "Can't Fix" [0]. While, technically speaking, Microsoft doesn't have the majority of the marketshare anymore, the originally prescribed goal of this bug was:
A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.
Note that *even if* we count Android/Linux, and also count every type of device like mobile phones and tables, nearly all of those devices -- even those running Android/Linux or Ubuntu -- include proprietary software (Many Android/Linux devices include *mostly* proprietary software, since
nearly all the applications are proprietary). Thus, it's just not accurate at this time to argue "Fix Released" for the key issue that this bug was supposed to be about: namely, "most devices in use today are running mostly proprietary software". It'll probably be generations before we close that bug, and that's why I'd
argue the problem probably can't be fixed as part of the lifecycle of Ubuntu itself. Thus "Can't Fix" is the right bug-close status.
[0] "Won't Fix" isn't right because that would presupose Ubuntu actually had the ability to fix the problem and chose not to. Sadly, I don't think it was ever really within the power of the Ubuntu project to fix the problem in the first place. Nevertheless, I thank Ubuntu for the early years (i.e., pre-UbuntuOne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375272 ) when Ubuntu truly tried to close Bug 1. It's a tough job to give software freedom to the majority of users, but we should all keep trying to do it.
The ratio of 650 Windows 7 boxes plus 75 Windows 2008 R2 boxes at work to 3 Unix machines tends to swing the balance in favour of Windows where I am.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Cute entries like that wouldn't be tolerated in some workplaces. I prefer a professional attitude in the bug tracking system. They should purge anything else similar to this that isn't an actual bug.
Both of you are doofi.
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I would care. But I'm a long-time Linux supporter, which means I only care about my distro of choice.
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Like this one:
#461000 General populace ignorance of Ubuntu
Easy fix; stop doing stupid things that are driving people to Mint etc. and get back to what a lot of people, (including me) were hoping for at the beginning - a decent distro that "just works" that we would could confidently install at friends, family, neighbours, SOHO whatever, without support nightmares at evenings and weekends. (Yes, I've been dicking around with BSD etc. for years, but I do need some time with my family...)
With MS busy pissing people off with Win8, they've missed a great opportunity.
I had some success 'converting' people with Linux skinned as XP; c'mon Mark; where's Ubuntu Win7 edition?
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I've been on Slashdot for a while now and I'll never understand the fanaticism that drives the UNIX culture that would spawn the
1. Creation of a bug report that is, essentially, a political statement
2. One that is left open for 9 years just because they are that childish
3. Reporting said bug/political statement has been closed as if some monumental success has been achieved.
The typical "bug fixing" strategy for open source seems to be
I believe it's spelled "doofie". :P
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Aren't bug reports mostly just complaints about something not being/doing what you want it to?
Microsoft + IBM and then cheap Compaq clones were a natural reaction to the closed nature of the computer market pushed by the likes of Apple in the 80s. The closed software was a problem of the PC, with the expectation that it would be replaced with either Linux or some other laxly licensed, source and support available OS.
And now we're supposed to celebrate we're back in the 80, only that instead of Amstad, Amiga, Apple, IBM, Sinclair, Attari, ... etc. all we have now is Google and Apple.
I cannot disagree that Ubuntu (and Canonical) have done a good (no, great) job at bringing Linux more into peoples' hearts and minds. To say that Ubuntu is a poster-boy distro, however, would be a crime. Ubuntu stood on the shoulders of Debian to gain its traction, but past the initial push of getting better hardware/driver support, it seems like the roadmap of Ubuntu has been about as scattered as darts thrown by a drunken barfly. A bunch of ambitious "tries" at different angles, with very little attention to actually fixing bugs to maintain their stability/usability ("Won't fix" as new release is out, LTS: Long-term-suffering, ...). I really, really tried loving Ubuntu for the long term, even bet my biggest contract on them to bring LTSP to schools (one of their ambitious "tries" back in the day) but their coordination with outside OSS projects and communities were disappointing to me.
I'm not trying to bash Ubuntu, like I said they have done a lot of good. But I'm typing this on my Debian workstation, which I left to go to Ubuntu for a number of years, and now I'm back. And I couldn't be happier, because I haven't had such a stable system in years =) None the less, congrats on fixing the infamous bug #1 I guess. It is a very sentimental thing, I'm sure.
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Not in my house it doesn't.
1 Win 7 laptop
1 MacBook Pro
1 Chrome Book
3 Raspberry PIs running Raspbian
1 Android tablet
1 Android phone
1 blackberry playbook
1 Apple TV
Looks like Linux wins, with Android a close second.
The best part is that this is all for one person living alone. :)
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it seems that they're saying that in 2004, MS had a majority, but this is now changing and thus the bug can be closed. With your enumeration you simply give anecdotal evidence to this.
"living alone"
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but massive geek points aside, sounds like OP needs to get out of the basement more...
according to Wikimedia. I agree with the trend sentiment, but they still have a majority.
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"enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices."
Apparently so does ubuntu's integrated search by default.
And you are a judgmental asshole!
I have many interests outside technology. Technology is certainly high up on the list, but I am also a singer, outdoors man, woodworker, mechanic, pet owner, motorcycle rider, Jeep enthusiast, and too many other things to even mention. I even have a lovely girlfriend.
My interest in technology has provided me with quite a good living these past 30 years or so. As well as enough disposable income to afford plenty of toys.
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Not sure why this wasn't closed ages ago.
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In some cases at work we've replaced laptops with tablets for field use. Laptops were often not a very good fit anyway.
At home, we used to have two PCs, then a PC and a laptop, then 2 laptops and we've since replaced one laptop with a tablet. That arrangement works pretty well, especially when you consider that my son has his own tablet through school and my daughter has an iPod touch that she uses for email, games, messaging, and watching shows on netflix.
My point is that there are things that we used to use PCs for that are done as well or better by a mobile device. That's not to say there aren't trade offs but I do believe that tablets in particular are cutting into PC and laptop sales. Lots of people use a computer primarily for web and email access. Even though a PC might be better at some things and many families will keep one around, they aren't going to be as inclined to buy new ones as often. Our current laptop is 4 years old and we've got no plans to upgrade anytime soon. We'd probably get another tablet first. So yeah, I think the PC market has definitely been impacted.
More money follows 'more evil' more frequently than it follows "smarter". Adolph Hitler had plenty of followers as well if you're looking to get this thread appropriately Godwin'd. Mr. Jobs was a marketing genius and general douche-bag. I don't think Mr. Shuttleworth's greed is at nearly the same level if it exists at all. He may want to be famous, but what he wants to be famous for seems a little more altruistic. I've questioned that a bit lately, but I think it mostly still applies.
The ratio of 650 Windows 7 boxes plus 75 Windows 2008 R2 boxes at work to 3 Unix machines tends to swing the balance in favour of Windows where I am.
well.. only if people had the bright idea of redefining smartphones as pc's earlier!
Then shuttleworth could have just skipped the whole fucking ubuntu. because in 2004 if you counted java running phones as computers then ms wouldn't have had the majority share to begin with.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
It looked about the same in 2004 when Ubuntu bug #1 was filed.
We just didn't think that Palm and un-upgradable proprietary cell phone OSes were competing against Windows, where now we think that iOS and Android (and maybe Ubuntu for tablets) are. It's a change of perception, not numbers.
0 1 - just my two bits
No. They are technical descriptions of incorrect behavior of the software.
That only works in cases where there are clear and specific requirements/specifications for how this software should work or it crashes in some way no application ever should. Even then, the user won't know those he only sees what he thinks is incorrect behavior. Usually the definition of correct is just a meeting of minds, the user saying this doesn't look right, the developer agrees and the code changes since most bugs appear where the specification says nothing at all. And if the code follows the specifications it usually just moves the problem up a level, are the specifications correct or not. It's great for a blame-shifting game but really the user only cares about what he can't do, not why he can't do it and at what level it failed.
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Ubuntu? Could the editors at least provide a link or a short explanation in the summary about what exactly "Ubuntu" is? I've never heard of it, and I think many others here haven't either.
Also, what's a Microsoft?
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Yes, the bug was marked "Closed->DFU Error, works as expected"
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