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Banker Offers $1M To Solve Beal Conjecture

oxide7 writes "A Texas banker with a knack for numbers has offered $1 million for anyone who can solve a complex math equation that has stumped mathematicians since the 1980s. The Beal Conjecture states that the only solutions to the equation A^x + B^y = C^z, when A, B and C are positive integers, and x, y and z are positive integers greater than two, are those in which A, B and C have a common factor. Like most number theories, it's "easy to say but extremely difficult to prove.""

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  1. Have solution. Alas, subject line = too small by kanweg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry, but I promise you that the solution was very elegant.

    Bert

    1. Re:Have solution. Alas, subject line = too small by vuke69 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suspect you are correct, but a proof remains elusive.

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  2. Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... along with some postulated constraints and ask people to prove them? Whats so special about this one - does it have some mathematical relevance?

    1. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's essentially what Carl Friedrich Gauss said when he was challenged to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. Something on the lines of: "I have no real interest in such endeavors since I could easily put forward a multitude of propositions which one could neither prove nor disprove."

    2. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by MasseKid · · Score: 2

      Sure you could. In this case he's offering cash for people to solve it. If you are offering a million dollars for simple math problems, you are going to go broke very, very quickly.

    3. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      Whats so special about this one - does it have some mathematical relevance?

      Yes, it's relevance is that mathematicians don't like empirical evidence that a statement is only 99.9999% accurate; They demand 100%. And in mathematics, you can get 100%.

      And just like prime numbers, fermat's last theorem, etc., an enhanced understanding of the relationships laid out by certain formulas can, and often does, lead to an enhanced understanding of the universe -- which for some strange reason, seems to have the quality of being well-described, if not completely described, by the body of knowledge known as mathematics. And by understanding the universe better, we understand ourselves, and can make our lives easier. Creating most of our modern technology requires an understanding of mathematics -- so better math means better technology.

      Relevant enough for you, or do I need to resort to a beer analogy? :)

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    4. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by sconeu · · Score: 2

      it seems like the false conjectures would be quickly disproven, and the true ones might take a bit longer

      Yeah, I think it would take *quite* a bit longer to disprove true conjectures.

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    5. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by LihTox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only if x=y=z. For instance, somebody above suggested 3^3 + 6^3 = 3^5 (27+216=243). If we factor out the common 3, we get 3^2 + 2*(6^2) = 3^4 (9+72=81), which no longer has the right form because 72 is not a power of any number.

      If x=y=z, and if A^x+B^x=C^x where A,B,C had the same greatest common factor n, then you could divide all three numbers by n^x and get a new formula (A/n)^x+(B/n)^y=(C/n)^z where A/n, B/n, and C/n had no common factor, and if Beal's conjecture is true then these numbers cannot exist if x>2. Therefore A^x+B^x=C^x has no nontrivial solution for x>2, which is Fermat's last theorem.

    6. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Beer analogy, as requested: suppose you want to be 100% certain that no one is pissing a little in your beer before you drink it. You can be 99.999% sure by ordering high-quality beer in an upscale establishment and watching the bartender fill your glass --- but you've still got that nagging fear that someone in the back room, or even the brewery, may have whizzed in the keg when no one was looking. So, instead of relying on empirical likelihoods, you go and brew your own beer, from start to finish under your watchful eye, to get that 100%-guaranteed-piss-free pint. And, ultimately, humankind's fundamental knowledge and craft of beer brewing is advanced through the initial efforts of home-brew enthusiasts.

    7. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by Dr.+Tom · · Score: 2

      Gödel supported Gauss. He proved that yes, you can come up with many statements that can't be proven. However, if a statement like Beal's conjecture can't be proven, you should be able to prove *that*. Which would also qualify for the prize money, I'd say.

      The point the previous poster was making is that math is different from science, because you can prove things in math, but in science you can only disprove things.

    8. Re:Couldn't you just make up any old equation... by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Every analogy breaks down somewhere (or else it wouldn't be an analogy, but the thing analogized itself). If one wishes absolute mathematical certainty for their piss-free pint, then one must be satisfied with a mathematical pint. As thus: consider a Platonic ideal beer, symbolically represented by the word "beer." Now, imagine quaffing the beer. Theoretically, this should be satisfying and delicious. If you don't consider this exercise superior to drinking an actual beer, you may just not be cut out for pure mathematics --- consider becoming a physicist instead.

  3. Re:Fermat? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fermat's last theorem requires x = y = z, and argues that there is no answer. This is a generalization.

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  4. Re:Fermat? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, Fermat's last theorem says a^n + b^n = c^n for n > 2 has no solutions. Here's it says a^x + b^y = c^z for x,y,z > 2 only have solutions when they have a common factor. Example: 3^3 + 6^3 = 3^5.

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  5. Re:Fermat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    For a proof or counterexample published in a refereed journal, Beal initially offered a prize of US $5,000 in 1997, rising to $50,000 over ten years[1], but has since raised it to US $1,000,000.

    Slashdot, once upon a time, you put more relevant information in posts.

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  7. Give a man a gun by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank
    Give a banker an algorithm, he can rob the world.

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  8. Re:Fermat? by Garridan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Worse than 'a generalization': if this conjecture is true, FLT is a trivial consequence. That's a clue that Beal's conjecture is likely significantly harder than Fermat's.

  9. Too big to solve by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh great, yet another bank that wants a bealout.

  10. What's in it for him? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, being quite cynical about such things, in what way would a proof of this conjecture allow him to make more money?

    Philanthropy and advancing science are good, but my first thoughts is that if someone can prove this he stands to make massive amounts of money.

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    1. Re:What's in it for him? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      In this case, I think the motivation is more likely to just be remembered in the history books as the guy who financed the solution.

      New rule, only the people who solve the problem get credit.

      Otherwise we'll end up with the Fermat/Coca Cola theorem, or The Theory of Relativity, brought to you by Kinkos.

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    2. Re:What's in it for him? by Captain+Spam · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, being quite cynical about such things, in what way would a proof of this conjecture allow him to make more money?

      Philanthropy and advancing science are good, but my first thoughts is that if someone can prove this he stands to make massive amounts of money.

      You know the old jokes about rich people paying bums on the street to fight for their own amusement? Well, extend that to mathematicians.

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    3. Re:What's in it for him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given that the person who came up with conjecture and the banker offering the $1M are the same Andy Beal, this particular case isn't an example of some rich fucker trying to steal credit from an actual mathematician. Of course, "only the people who solve the problem get credit" has never historically been the rule --- most conjectures still stay named after the person who first publicly conjectured them, even if it took someone else decades later to actually prove the statement. For example, we still call it "Fermat's Last Theorem," not the "Wiles-Ribet Theorem." Much the same occurs in physics: things usually get named after the theorist who proposes they might be possible, instead of the experimentalists who prove so.

  11. Related to topology? by mederbil · · Score: 2

    Given the proof of FLT required proving an isomorphism between topology and number theory (among other things), I wonder if these problems are so similar that this will again be the case. It's interesting how the number system is related to geometry.

  12. Re:Fermat? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

    Worse than 'a generalization': if this conjecture is true, FLT is a trivial consequence. That's a clue that Beal's conjecture is likely significantly harder than Fermat's.

    ...or easier. Beal removes a constraint from Fermat's theorum.

    All you need to do is find one exception and you've won. Removing a constraint makes that search easier.

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  13. Re:Fermat? by zrbyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    Huh. For a second there my brain thought: "FTL? Faster Than Light (travel)? WTF!"

  14. or maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why don't they just put up a simple problem and pay out $1 each for up to 1 million students who can solve it.

  15. Re:Fermat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Assume Beal's conjecture and you have a minimal counterexample to FLT where A^x + B^x = C^x. Then A, B, C have a common prime factor p, so (A/p)^x + (B/p)^y = (C/p)^z is a smaller counterexample to FLT, which contradicts our minimality assumption.

  16. Beal by bbartlog · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the same Beal who founded Beal Aerospace. Also the same Beal who challenged the world's best professional poker players to the highest one-on-one Texas Hold'Em games ever played ($100,000/$200,000 IIRC). Also, this isn't an equation to be 'solved'. It's a conjecture to be proved (or disproved).

  17. Re:Not just "a banker" by SammyIAm · · Score: 2

    Wha-- why would that not be mentioned in the summary?!

  18. Re:Fermat? by formfeed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Huh. For a second there my brain thought: "FTL? Faster Than Light (travel)? WTF!"

    WTF? World Taekwondo Federation?

  19. Re:Fermat? by OakDragon · · Score: 2

    Huh. For a second there my brain thought: "FTL? Faster Than Light (travel)? WTF!"

    WTF? What The F***?

    FTFY, FTW!

  20. Brute force? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    I'm no mathematician but I could write a program to brute-force this puppy. Worth trying? :-P

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    1. Re:Brute force? by Iniamyen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I dunno. Do you have access to infinite compute cycles?

    2. Re:Brute force? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe if I present it in the form of a cryptography scheme for terrorist communications...

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  21. Re:Fermat? by draconx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Obviously nobody has found an exception to disprove it yet. The dude wouldn't be offering a pile of money if he were just looking to disprove it...he would just funnel the money into some supercomputer time to step through an absurd amount of integers until he comes up with an exception.

    The set of integers to test is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think that Graham's number is a lot, but that's just peanuts compared to the integers.

    If a conjecture could be disproven by simply throwing computational resources at the problem, chances are that it's not particularly interesting. Many open problems in number theory have known lower bounds well above anything that could possibly be tested by a computer. For example, there is no odd perfect number less than 10**1500.

  22. Re:Or it could come full circle... by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have a fairly good hunch what Fermat's actual "proof in the margin" was. I can't remember how it goes, but it falls apart because rings Z^n with n>13 are no longer Unique Factorization Domains (UFD: a ring where all numbers have a single unique prime factorization) (or something like that). The concept of something not being a UFD was unheard of at the time of Fermat. Disclaimer: it's a few years since I did Algebra, so there may be errors in this post.

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  23. Re:Fermat? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    The price is more interesting.

    Brute forcing to find a contradiction is no mental challenge.

    Crafting a nice formal proof is.

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  24. Re:Fermat? by TC+Wilcox · · Score: 2

    Fermat's last theorem is easy to prove if one takes this conjecture as true. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this comment box is too small to contain.

    Fixed that for you.

  25. Re:Fermat? by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

    All you need to do is find one exception and you've won. Removing a constraint makes that search easier.

    If you want to try and find a counterexample, you'll have to start with values greater than 1000 because the conjecture has already been verified by exhaustion for all values of all six variables and exponents up to 1000 which is a fancy way of saying that brute force computation failed to find an easy counter example. There may still be one out there, but it might be so large that it would be computationally impractical to find it. On the other hand, the conjecture may be true in which case a brute force method cannot prove it because there's an infinite number of cases to check.

  26. Re:Fermat? by sFurbo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah, the integers are nothing. You should have seen the real interval I had on the hook last week. I tried bring it onboard using a sieve I borrowed from Eratosthenes, but the sieve was not nearly large enough. I'm telling you, the boat nearly keeled over!