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ISPs To Censor Porn By Default In the UK By 2014
An anonymous reader writes "Parental filters for pornographic content will come as a default setting for all homes in the UK by the end of 2013, says David Cameron's special advisor on preventing the sexualization and commercialization of childhood, Claire Perry MP. Internet service providers will be expected to provide filtering technology to new and existing customers with an emphasis on opting out, rather than opting in."
Paintings and sculptures? Photography of nude people? Literature that has sections with with erotic or sexual topics (e.g. the Bible?)
But violent media is just fine.....
How do we opt out?
They might get the wrong idea that its ok to be thin white and heterosexual.
In general should be illegal.
This is an interesting job title:
Special advisor on preventing the sexualization and commercialization of childhood
Will she also be proposing that UK homes have AdBlock on by default by 2014, to ensure that kids don't get too many ads targeted at them?
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how about the ISPs focus on merely PROVIDING THE INTERNET SERVICE rather than POLICING IT.
seriously.
fucking brits
How can you censor the element that helped the most to make the internet what it is today?
You can request to get around the filters, after all, so why not block other things as well? Religious websites would be a decent start. What's wrong...? Suddenly blocking things by default is bad because you don't like what's being blocked this time around?
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No, but you can bet this won't stop at "porn". It will be "hate sites" (basically anything not PC) and sites that they claim are copyright infringing too.
government effort to force ISPs
Anonymous Coward wrote:
how about the ISPs focus on merely PROVIDING THE INTERNET SERVICE rather than POLICING IT.
ISPs in Britain aren't free to provide Internet service without policing it. To do so they would have to move their operations out of Britain. How exactly is that feasible?
You want to what? Opt out?
You fucking pervert!
People like you don't deserve to be on the Internet!
Suddenly blocking things by default is bad because you don't like what's being blocked this time around?
In theory, through elections to Parliament, the people decide who decides what to block by default.
And TV ads... are not those commercialization of childhood? What about an opt-out for those? (I personally would like that).
How do we opt out?
Probably through the same web-based interface that the customer uses to pay his Internet bill.
People will just adapt different protocols to acquire porn. Torrents/P2P for example.
".."Parental filters for pornographic content will come as a default setting for all homes in the UK by the end of 2013, says David Cameron's special advisor ..."
Won't happen then. He has a huge track record of promising things to get a story in the papers, and then quietly not doing them...bit like Obama, really.
I wonder who copied the idea from who?
And TV ads... are not those commercialization of childhood? What about an opt-out for those? (I personally would like that).
By that of course I mean blocked unless I opt-out of the blocking.
Ah, Britain; Home of Tyranny.
How glorious it is to be a united statesian.
""hate sites" (basically anything not PC)"
Like Apple?
You want to what? Opt out?
You fucking pervert!
People like you don't deserve to be on the Internet!
Well, I'm a socio-econo-psychologist who is studying the market effects of pornography on society and its markets in relation to the individual. Really, that's what it says in my grant proposal.
I'm still working on the one for a grant for hookers and blow, though.
I'm surprised they don't just go the whole hog and make sexual intercourse illegal.
Actually, make the UK into a living version Demoliton Man!
Knowledge is inherently dangerous, and we need the government to decide what is dangerous. Ignorance must be maintained at all costs. Praise CoE Jesus!
"That said, restrictions on the content available to young people via mobile networks have been in place for a number of years."
That shit blocked ICQ and the facebook chat for me. Gonna be fun times when they apply this to the whole internet.
Funny how it said all homes... so in the office it's OK, but not at home?
Read about the 'Internet Watch Foundation' -- an unaccountable collaboration of people in government and industry, as well as professional busybodies and God-botherers, who are already running and enforcing a secret internet blocklist in the UK.
Who knows -- if somebody decides to introduce an opt-out blocklist, it may actually be an improvement, since there will be greater scrutiny, and as a consequence, hopefully better oversight.
Censoring porn is easy.
Not censoring non-porn is easy.
Doing both at the same time is virtually impossible.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
I guess there will be plenty of folks who will say something to the effect, "I know what porn is when I see it."
Question is: Whose eyes will decide this question?
Is it okay in the Home Office??? Just asking.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
If it doesn't, then it doesn't block torrents/P2P.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
To opt in to the Internet I actually have to sit down at a computer and turn it on, or pull out a cell phone and look at it, or ... well, you get the idea.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Enjoy.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
This is a really really really bad idea. I wish that we could fire politicians that talk through their arses easier... "Somebody Is Using My" above said it perfectly. The internet is blocked completely by default. You have to opt in with a credit or debit card to get on it. Why screw with that process... I thought that this was a democratic country?
Anyway kids are not stupid. If they are looking for porn, they will find it, and it does not matter how many filters Hollywood, oops I mean the UK government puts in place. There will ALWAYS be a way around it. I can see an alternative DNS coming and it is not for away now.
All that said now is still a great time to join the Open Rights Group - just to make sure.
also sometimes a guys penis goes in a guys mouth, or a guys anus, or sometimes a womans anus has a penis going in it and another penis going in her vagina at the same time, thats called double penetration
also there is uhm, bukkake, where a bunch of guys jerk off onto a woman and/or man.
then there is fetish porn, like, you know, some people are really into casts. like casts like you get for a broken bone. they think its sexy.
also there is like uhm, bestiality. where like people are fucking dogs and horses
then there is tentacle porn. it helps if you speak japanese.
ok then there is 'porn for women' which is a lot like other porn but with a soft lighting scheme
then there is lesbian porn. alot of them are not really lesbians.
but mostly i guess id say that porn is uhm, film production where nobody gets payed union scale.
Why is society OK with people, including kids, being entertained by acts which are never ever legal for them to do (e.g. watch a certificate 12 movie about a bank robbery) but at the same time not be OK with people being entertained by something that they could themselves be doing at that very moment (e.g. watching depictions of sex if everyone there is a consenting adult and they're behind closed doors)???
in the jimmy savile case, and there are numerous, and i do mean numerous, cases of government corruption in covering up massive child abuse in "care homes" (homes for orphans, etc) in Great Britain, but also in its pseudo-attached islands of Guernsey, Jersey, etc.
I opt out of TV commercials every time I turn off the TV.
Some parents opt their kids out of frequent exposure to TV commercials by not having TV in the home.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
What do you expect... parental responsibility? Does anybody think it's a coincidence that this story hits the news again whilst government surveillance is being promoted^w questioned in the media? Think of the children!
They can't apply a filter to the internet at all. They may never have heard of encrypted proxies, SSH tunnels, TOR or mesh networks; they are at least dedicated to having teenagers familiarize themselves with such wonders. Only then will our governments have lost complete control.
Question is: Whose eyes will decide this question?
Finally, we have found the perfect use for Amazon's Mechanical Turk.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Wait till the porn industry sues the government/ISP's for blocking their perfectly legal content and losing them business.
and those who are incorrectly blocked.
At least we ensure that those same ISPs don't waste their time investing on IPv6 deployment
Nearly every day we read a story of the government wiping their ass with the constitution. Every day there is a story telling us how the government is tapping each landline, mobile, internet connected computer, satellite uplink,... All this happens daily and I have not seen mass protests. We here at slashdot (tech savy people) know whats going on. We know that this is just the tip of the iceberg and there is lots more going on. Still no reaction from the general public. Its like the population of the United States has become numb to these stringent violation of human rights, basic privacy laws, the constitution and the declaration of independence. Seeing people just completely ignore these facts and just continue eating their McDonalds and watching their episodes of glee on tv makes me sick to my stomach. We got 2 choices as educated citizens: Either say "f*ck you" to the general population and we continue to protect ourself with Tor, PGP, Darknets/Freenet, SSH tunnels, Proxies OR All the hackers, nerds, tech savy people around the world to unite and make a new internet. Independent of government and corporate control. Protocols that are inherently secure. Transport methods in which the nodes where data passes trough doesn't know the content, sender or destination. (I know many of you will scream tor) but TOR is not the solution. We need transparent methods. Methods that can be used by joe average. Mod me down, I don't care its your loss.
I think it will be interesting, assuming that the whole thing is even feasible in any way, to see what the percentage of opt-out ends up being. I suspect it will be 2-3% at most.
I would have guessed mailing a form with a notarized signature to affirm that you are of legal age
No need. They have the householder's date of birth on file since he showed ID when signing up for service.
that you have no parties within your household who are not of legal age
The article implies that this is not a condition. It mentions "time-limited deactivation of filtering": parents can have the filtering turn on during hours when the kids are expected to be in bed.
This must not be a law. Stop with this nanny state crap already. The parents must be responsible for what their kids are doing. If this is a service provided by an ISP I'm fine with it.
Apple will be taken down by Samsung due to copyright infringement on round corners, just as Samsung will be taken down by apple.
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Literature that has sections with with erotic or sexual topics (e.g. the Bible?)
I'd be inclined to agree with the interpretation given in the article "Porn with Plot" from TV Tropes. It's literature if the sexual content serves a characterization purpose. It's porn if the plot is predominantly an excuse to get the characters together for sexual contact. The Bible, for example, uses sex (and in some cases, denial of sex) to show particular characters as not caring about following Jehovah's express wishes. It also has "The Song of Solomon", an admittedly steamy 8-chapter episode that shows what happens when a long-term relationship goes right. I'd appreciate comments explaining how English case law differs from this interpretation.
Or is that different because the carrier gets their slice of the pie?
Anybody with children. Please, the moment they start the censorship, sue them whenever you discover that your child has found any porn at all. If they start censoring, make them liable for their failure to censor well. With some luck they will have to quit trying.
i will definitely be opting out david cameron at the next election
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
You cannot censor Internet porn- and this is the whole point. Tony Blair (these actions are actually his, just like the declaration of war against Syria by the USA and EU) knows this, so what is the real game?
1) filters are activated at the ISP level, actually representing the widest and most repressive Internet censorship regime on the planet
2) every other third-world hell hole immediately justifies its acts of censorship by quoting the UK
3) the porn censor 'fails' and the UK tabloid press goes into over-drive demanding even harsher measures to plug all the un-pluggable holes that every system of porn censorship has
4) Blair's people announce another massive extension to Internet censorship to solve this 'problem'
5) meantime the tabloids and the BBC are now running campaigns stating that house-holds with people under 18 are actually engaging in child-abuse if they opt out of the filter.
6) Blair's people introduce legislation that formally makes it a criminal offence to be the cause of any person under 18 seeing 'pornographic' material
7) the porn filters are extended to remove access to all those sites the police state loathes, like alternate news outlets.
8) the BBC and the tabloids now step up their campaigning against ALL web-sites that fail to align with UK government policy. This will especially include anti-war sites, or sites that contradict the propaganda messages the BBC targets at young people.
In the meantime, Blair will have moved his war of genocide in Syria to a full blown war against Iran (a war that is intended to openly use nuclear weapons for the first time since WW2- America has covertly used various forms of nuclear weapons in conflicts since Japan). Blair's total clamp-down on the Web will just be seen a 'war-powers' act.
Blair finds the advantages of the 'slippery slope' principle to be hilarious, and has initiated as many uses of this method as possible in the UK. The population of Britain hate what is being done to them, but they also give Blair's acts their passive support as well. For instance, Blair is extending the age of compulsory education to 18, without spending even one penny building new facilities for all the extra young people who will be forced to attend some form of schooling for an extra two years. This is because the program is actually intended to introduced 'national service' (conscription) by the back door. Families with young people who fail to attend government approved training centres are to be subject to massive criminal penalties.
Given that it will prove impossible for parents to FORCE the attendance of young people who do not wish to participate, the idea is that these parents will be coerced to thrown their 16-18 year olds out of the family home. However, Blair has ensured that people of this age get no social support from the government. Faced with this nightmare, the BBC and the tabloids are to encourage such parents to demand that the government conscripts their young adult children into Blair's military training camps, so the parents no longer have legal responsibility for their children's attendance.
This is one of Blair's classic manufactured PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION ploys.
While dribbling cretins will try to tell you Blair and his New Labour movement are no longer in power, every single one of Blair's initiatives that he could not get through parliament under a 'Labour' regime is being successfully implemented by his lieutenants that 'head' the Liberal and Conservative parties. Unknown to most sheep in the UK, Blair's man David Blunkett oversees the program to extend schooling to 18, and to use the fallout to introduce conscription. Embryo conscription projects have been rolling out across Britain for 3 years now, in the form of para-military training camps offered to young people across the long Summer holiday.
Britain is the centre of the spider's web. The 'dumb brutes' of the USA merely provide the muscle. Social engineering of a form beyond the wildest imagination of you Yanks in common-
We're British.
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This is good. 10 year-olds don't need to see anal fisting and bukkake.
I wouldn't say stupid as much as uninformed. People subscribing to Internet access for the first time might not know that really dirty porn exists on the Internet, and they might not know that censorware exists to keep kids away from well-known sources of porn.
"If a site contains pornographic tex,t would it get blocked?" The Anonymous Coward said, undressing himself seductively.
"If a site contains pornographic text, would it get blocked?" The Anonymous Coward said, undressing himself seductively
#1: "How do I enable porn?"
And, because I don't see that anyone else has posted it yet, my favorite quote: "I'm fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there'd only be one website left, and it'd be called ``Bring back the porn!'' "
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Those pictures of $politician with his metaphorical pants down.
As weirdly off-topic as this question is, the answer is mostly "Yes".
Most phone services default to not permitting the expensive charge-per-call or high fee-per-minute call types needed for most phone sex lines. You have to call up the provider and say "I want to use these premium services" and they will enable them, perhaps after verifying that you're the bill payer.
Likewise my mobile Internet defaulted to using a service that blocks porn, I had to call them and prove I was over 18 to enable me to read Oglaf on the phone. This is particularly hilarious because I had been a paying mobile phone customer with the same subscriber details for almost 18 years, so to NOT be over 18 I'd have to have signed up for their service as a toddler.
So, no Barbie, McDonald's, Transformers? Praise be!
Opposition party websites are naturally considered disgusting and therefore pornographic.
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
It will be "hate sites" (basically anything not PC) and sites that they claim are copyright infringing too.
It's a conservative government. Hate sites are fine, as long as you're hating gays, muslims and foreigners; only white Christians are protected.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Pro-tip: If you do the deed associated with a sexual orientation, you ARE that orientation (or at least "bi"). Even if you were "just doing it for money."
In all seriousness the stuff about parents worrying about kids seeing porn is really a bunch of fluff. These days the adults may need protection from the kids. A lot of men get propositioned very bluntly by shockingly young girls and boys. They are active with other kids and think little of prostituting themselves for a few dollars. I have great doubt that seeing porn is likely to upset or derail modern kids. I don't mean we should make it easy for them to see but at the same time the era in which kids at even four and five years of age who have not seen porn is over. Adults with a grain of sense won't get caught up in sex with kids but we will not be able to squelch it all that much either. The number of fathers who are sexually involved with their daughters alone would probably be enough to crush our prison system. It is a lousy situation but we will probably have to live with it.
You can bet they'll start charging extra for opting out and being a pervert. And while we're at it, if complete categories of services can be censored like this, why not charge for YouTube, that must eat up a lot of bandwidth, or other things related to filthy degenerates. Actually, why don't we just have a whitelist and censor everything else?
kids are sexual beings too, and it's their lack of exposure which keeps them juvenile on the matter. I think we should unfilter it, and stop censoring sex entirely on TV/news/video games, and start treating it like this shit is normal to see and be exposed to. let them learn and adapt to it, and be taught about it. this, yes.
we were all taught that censorship of sex was appropriate, and it's the only reason we ever think to try it.
so, who in the government was not allowed to play with their boy/girl-parts by their parents and taught it was very bad? Please dont instill your fears in me, I have plenty of my own (and also dont bother you with them).
Parents buy Internet access. Parent buy computers. By definition, since child labor is forbidden.
All Internet is already accessible only for 18 or older. Now if some parents don't want to or not able to parenting their children, then it is their problem. (I'm talking about private home, schools, libraries etc. can have their filter system if they want).
Today it is porn, tomorrow it will be Wikipedia, next day the Torrent site and next day it will be the Twitter post that is anti UK government. First it is "to protect children", then "to fight terrorists", then "to prosecute traitors" (aka whistleblowers).
You want to bed how fast the next legislature will include Torrent sites?
You want to bed how fast such news such as GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits will find their way in the porn filter by "accident"?
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It won't always be a conservative government. As for white Christians being protected... white males can be attacked and slandered with impunity - where have you been for the last 30 years.
"Will somebody think of the children?!"
Having the government filter anything from anyone is the most fucking stupidest shit I've ever seen or heard. What in the fuck gives them the right to block anything from anyone. I will decide what's right and what isn't, keyword here folks is `I`. If stupid god damn parents can't learn to put something as simple as parental guidance on a computer then the rest of the country shouldn't suffer due to their god fucking laziness.
FUCK. God damn am I pissed off at this god damn bullshit and it's fucking pissing me off beyond all fucking comprehension.
It would be interesting to see how much impact this has on the amount of data flowing through the networks belonging to the various UK based ISP's. Also, for those users not wanting to explain why the porn box needs to be ticked to the wife/girlfriend, I can imagine there will be an increase in demand for foreign VPN connections or depending on how the filters are implemented, perhaps just using overseas DNS servers will bypass the filters.
I'm really glad about this. I'm sad to say "won't someone think of the children" but that argument makes sense here. We have a watershed to project kids from adult themes on TV, we have encrypted channels so they're not available for those that don't want to see them, we have rules about advertising - the fact that kids can see hard core porn on the internet doesn't fit with the way our culture works.
Sure, parents need to be responsible but when my kid grows up, they're going to have a better smart phone than I have and be in school where those with access to gross things will try to share them. I'm going to want to protect my kid from being confronted with disturbing/adult themes until they're ready to make the choice themselves.
At which point, they can opt out of filtering if they want to. It's not going to change my internet use to have porn filtered. So I'm glad about this.
1996 - Child Porn
2012 - "Pirate" Sites
2013 - Pornography
2016? - "Hate Sites"
2018? - Politically Extreme Sites
2020? - Political Opposition Sites
Does anybody think it's a coincidence that this story hits the news again whilst government surveillance is being promoted^w questioned in the media?
I agree with you in broad terms, but this "can't be a coincidence" stuff is stupid. There's always something, and for some people it's never a coincidence.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Yes, I am aware that England has commercial TV AND that the tory's would love to see the BBC gone forever... actually... I am not sure what I was trying to proof.
Remember, to a right winger: Child sees a booby = BAD. Child scraped of the vender of their SUV = accident for which there should be no consequences.
How did the parent come to be?
It took some hot sex, sucking, and licking, and pounding that oven, until delivery was made, many many many times over.
Until one day, tiny little you got in first!
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Nah.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
There have been two Prime Ministers since Tony Blair.
Ban advertising, it's far worse, and ban all those magazines that sell a false unobtainable lifestyle. Porn is the wrong target, its so fake. Teenagers will soon work out how to get round any block anyway.
Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
I believe this falls under COPPA (at least in the US) - if your page has any content directed towards children < 15, it can't have ads, social buttons, etc. It's not about having too many ads targeted at children, it's making sure that there aren't ANY on pages meant for kids.
Of course, the Internet is huge, and I'm pretty sure I all but avoided places for "kids" sine I started using it when I was 12-14 or whenever.
A better idea would be to make a top level domain for kids (".kids" ?) which is reserved for child friendly web sites.
Then you could make devices (browsers/firewalls/filters/operating systems) that will restrict access to this tld only and put whatever resources are appropriate into policing the domain to make sure that any site in ".kids" is actually safe for the little darlings.
Then the technologically illiterate could just buy these devices and be sure that little Johnny/Sally can browse in their little walled garden safely.
But this is too easy and obvious a solution as the truth is that they do not want to protect. They just want to control.
Today it's evil pron... Tomorrow it will be any other information the government doesn't like.
And you can be sure whilst naked breasts, penises etc are banned they'll be able to watch as many war films as they like without so much as a "tut, tut".
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
except this is the ISP's doing this and not the government...
They're doing it under government's orders. Please see my other comment.
The filter resets after so often.
Meaning you have to keep calling up to brand yourself a pedo- I mean, pervert.
So if I came around and raped your puny little arse, you'd be gay? Really?
So in order to opt out of this you'll have to sign a document that says "Hello, my name is John Jones and I would like to have my access to porn re-instated, please. Thanks." I can certainly see people having difficulty doing this and/or explaining it to their significant other.
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UK internet providers reject default porn filters
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
How about we just ban the British from reproducing?
That would solve so many problems in the long run.
>Criticize China's Internet censorship
>Do the same thing over here
"Censorship? No, no, it's protection!"
Muslims havent got a great track record, and its not that popular in the minds of westerners.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
id also like to block timesheet.form
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
or dozens of the hidden cams you can get on ebay, like camera inside a fake clock.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Dude! You are such a master of conflating your hate of anything Muslim with anything else.
I am 100% certain that there is a yogurt advertisement somewhere that you see as evil muslimy propaganda.
So it's wonderful to see you conflating that door with so called "Sharia courts".
Which are nothing else but a place for Muslims to go and talk it out before going to court - unlike in your mind where I'm guessing they are something between Mola Ram's sacrifice chamber and inquisition court against white people.
There you go conflating in a single breath...
Dude, when English people are not allowed to fly the English flag or paint it on their house door because it may be 'offensive' then you have already lost. The rulings of Sharia courts are enforced by the real courts (and therefore by the entire power of the state, police, military whatever).
And there you go "thinking of children...
As for "only willing participants" being subject to Sharia - well what about the most vulnerable, women and children? They are subject to Sharia without much choice.
Meanwhile, back in reality... The text you linked is a cherrypicked version of this Daily Mail article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327441/Steven-Rolfe-Ex-soldier-told-repaint-St-Georges-flag-door-housing-association-deemed-offensive-distressing.html
Which is so funny, cause the original has this HILARIOUS bit in it.
Muslim groups have criticised the housing company's stance. Ali Anwar, a Muslim representative on the Preston faith forum, said: 'As far as Iâ(TM)m concerned, a man's home is his castle, and he should be allowed to express himself as he wishes.
'This is political correctness gone mad. As a Muslim it really frustrates me that organisations become overly politically correct and make issues and tensions where there aren't any. They don't speak for the Muslim community.
âThe flag of St George needs to be reclaimed from the far right. There is nothing offensive about the flag and anyone who is proud to be English should be able to fly it.'
AHAHAHA! HE-LAAAARRY-E-US!
Ebil mussies actually support the guy who painted the flag!
Except in your sick and deranged mind.