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Altering Text In eBooks To Track Pirates

wwphx writes "According to Wired, 'German researchers have created a new DRM feature that changes the text and punctuation of an e-book ever so slightly. Called SiDiM, which Google translates to 'secure documents by individual marking,' the changes are unique to each e-book sold. These alterations serve as a digital watermark that can be used to track books that have had any other DRM layers stripped out of them before being shared online. The researchers are hoping the new DRM feature will curb digital piracy by simply making consumers paranoid that they'll be caught if they share an e-book illicitly.' I seem to recall reading about this in Tom Clancy's Patriot Games, when Jack Ryan used this technique to identify someone who was leaking secret documents. It would be so very difficult for someone to write a little program that, when stripping the DRM, randomized a couple of pieces of punctuation to break the hash that the vendor is storing along with the sales record of the individual book."

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  1. So... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Normal book publishers have been doing this for decades, inserting the occasional misspelling here or there. Later, they inserted correct spellings, but of the wrong word, to get around auto-correction in scanner software.

    So...no, they can't patent it.

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    1. Re:So... by Shompol · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes but this is different because

      ... on a computer

      So yes, they can (and will)

    2. Re:So... by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if the publisher do change texts in different e-books anyone that wants to get around it would just need a few copies and use a statistical analysis to blank out the differences.

      This is similar to what steganography does, so if you mess up the punctuation inserted then it will be really hard to look up the perpetrator - or even that the wrong party will be pointed out.

      So now the Pandora's box is opened.

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    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't OCR of printed text do this as well? (But not intentionally?)

      However if it's noticable and annoying enough like a low quality OCR scan, a lot of readers will turn to other copies of the work that are cleaned up. They will see the garbled text or messed up formatting as lazy or sloppy editing of a particular eBook and seek out sources without such flaws. This attempt to track piracy may instead end up working to promote it.

    4. Re:So... by Tom · · Score: 2

      So that's why I come across obvious errors in books where I thought that if it stands out like a sore thumb at a non-native speaker, why the fuck did the proof-readers miss it?

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    5. Re:So... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Please let them patent it! Then no-one else will use anything like it for fear of patent infringement.

    6. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know nothing of patent law. Look up Section 103 on obviousness and get back to us.

    7. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know nothing of patent law. Look up Section 103 on obviousness and get back to us.

      And you know nothing of the real world, a world where slide-to-unlock on a smartphone gets patented. Get back to us when you get some real world experience.

    8. Re: So... by kthreadd · · Score: 2

      And so far this has prevented what?

    9. Re:So... by mbone · · Score: 2

      Normal book publishers have been doing this for decades, inserting the occasional misspelling here or there. Later, they inserted correct spellings, but of the wrong word, to get around auto-correction in scanner software.

      So...no, they can't patent it.

      I think that map makers have been doing this for a century or more.

      "Who's Who" and the like do it as well, inserting fictitious people. This is also because true maps and lists may not be copyrightable, while fictitious ones certainly are.

    10. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They would still have the markers which are common to all versions used for the comparison. Suppose there are only 1000 marker bits and you compare three versions. Then each bit has a one in four chance of being the same in all three versions (000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110, 111), so you'd expect to get about 250 undetected marker bits, which is plenty to find the exact three copies which were used as the source for the "clean" copy.

    11. Re:So... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There would be no need to reverse engineer a pristine copy of the work. Simply proofreading a single copy and correcting some of the existing errors, while at the same time, introducing a few new errors of the same type would be enough to confound any attempt to make a positive identification of the source.

      This approach has an incredibly high bogosity factor. I can't imagine anyone in the publishing industry with half a brain who would spend any money on its implementation... Oh wait. We are talking about the partially brain dead idjits who thought DRM was the best thing since sliced bread....

      If I was going to do this, I would probably also play with the kerning to force some repagination, add some space characters before the newline at the end of some paragraphs, and so on. This approach to DRM is about as simple to get around as using a black magic marker on the edge of an "uncopyable" CD disk.

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    12. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And some newspapers now insert correctly spelled words into their otherwise barely legible text to ... uh... why again do THEY do it?

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    13. Re: So... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      C'mon, where have you been hiding? Adding "on a computer", or, more recently, "on the internet" makes everything patentable again.

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    14. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      DRM is all about artificially lowering the value of your product (to the user) in an attempt to make it more valuable. You think anyone in this bizarro world is using a brain?

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    15. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh... yes. When you find misspelled words in my messages here, it's just my new DRM. It's just that. It's not that I'm too dumb to use a spellchecker.

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    16. Re:So... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      I never thought about how errors needed to be inserted into maps so they could be copyrighted. Wow.

      I wonder if this is the reason why Google maps of Portland Oregon sometimes label the Banfield Expressway as "Soldiers Field Drive", which is in Boston Massachusetts. The errors seem to come and go, and seem to be limited to road names that are also identified by route numbers.

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    17. Re:So... by Idaho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In fact, this is one more reason for good authors to avoid traditional publishers. I can think of quite a few authors who would have a thing or two to say about algorithms like these being used to modify their work.

      Just like in the music industry, big publishers are simply not necessary anymore. Editors most certainly are, but publishers?

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    18. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Exact three copies"? So you're not planning to sell more that 10-11 books? Otherwise you won't have enough bits to have even a single bit that'll uniquely identify a group of three books.

    19. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple argued that an icon with a green phone proved that Samsung was copying, even thought it had been used on physical buttons on handsets for years. The courts ruled in favour of Apple - that this was an example of "blatant" copying, so anything is possible.

      Never assume that lawyers interested in self-licking icecreams won't allow this tiny variation of changing styles/etc to be patented.

    20. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, but you add "on the cloud".... and yes, you can patent everything again.

    21. Re:So... by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think that map makers have been doing this for a century or more.

      I remember a pub guide with 1,200 pub reviews including three fake ones, and a newspaper copied (and slightly rearranged the words) of ten of their reviews and managed to copy one of the fake ones. Good fun.

    22. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny to see all the technical minded people here finding easy and not-so-easy solutions on how to circumvent the protection, when the reality is that pirates just won't give a damn about it. So what if they know whose copy it is? It's some stolen credit card, or stolen e-book, or e-book from someone who never knew that kind of tech even exists. If you share the book with your friend and he doesn't share it forward nobody will ever know. If he uploads your copy to the internet just claim you lost your reader with the books, or sold it, or something, who the hell know what happened to some files on the old hard drive you tossed away? This tech is pretty much completely useless. Maybe you could watermark some early previev copies, but then you have all the technical workarounds that have already been pointed out.

    23. Re:So... by farrellj · · Score: 1

      Of course, ebooks being just text, (HTML zipped for the epub format, for example), I would not be surprised if a good spelling and grammar check software wouldn't render this attempt at DRM useless...or will they try to outlaw spelling/grammar check software as DRM circumvention tools?

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    24. Re:So... by Arrepiadd · · Score: 5, Informative

      There would be no need to reverse engineer a pristine copy of the work. Simply proofreading a single copy and correcting some of the existing errors, while at the same time, introducing a few new errors of the same type

      I didn't read the article because I had seen it earlier in another news source, so I don't if this is mentioned in the one mentioned here, but proofreading may not do it in this case. The source I read mentioned two specific types of change that do not introduce any typos (I'm choosing the exampled myself):
      - One of them was reordering of nouns when the order does not matter, e.g. "Peter and John went for lunch" vs "John and Peter went for lunch";
      - The other was playing with negatives: e.g. "something is unclear" vs "something is not clear"

      Since there are no actual typos, it's hard to spot the identifying bits. You'd have to change the text substantially, in order to have a good chance of being free from discovery. Adding your own typos may not serve any purpose, since the company selling can focus just on the changes they made, not looking for other changes introduced after.

      Of course, if there is a concerted effort to release documents, all pirates would need to do would be buying a few copies and diffing the documents. You may not get the original back, but if the changes are randomly put in a specific set of words, you certainly can end up with something close to the original than any of the sold copies and still free from pirate identification.

    25. Re:So... by pmontra · · Score: 2

      I'm not a proponent of DRM and I didn't buy any DRMized item because I want to be sure to able to use what I bought on any future device I'll happen to use. That said, this DRM doesn't seem to lower the value of the text much. It's probably just watermarking, which I'm fine with because I'm not interested in buying something and pirating it.

      Nevertheless I see potential problems with this technology. Files are files, got backup, move to physical media that get lost and sometimes end up in somebody's else hands. Even if I (and you, reader) can say "it will never happen to me", it will happen to somebody, probably many people along the years. Maybe even me (and you) and the guy who got his files distributed could be in more troubles than he deserves for losing a USB key. So watermarking is better than DRM, but no watermarking is even better.

      Finally, I believe that reconstructing the non watermarked original file won't be as trivial as many other slashdotters think. It looks like one of those bioinformatics problems with reconstructing a DNA sequence from a bunch of different versions of it (don't assume the texts will be aligned). Plus, there is a noise introduced on purpose and if an arms race starts they'll do their best to make it difficult to remove without having really many different versions of the file.

    26. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a patent attorney for a decade asshat, I'd love to hesr your credentials beyond trolling /. You won't get that through the patent system anymore.

    27. Re:So... by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      What makes you think pirates won't rip off independent authors? They aren't on a 'reform the publishers' kick, they're on a 'get free stuff' kick. This tactic is to allow publishers or authors or whoever to track back pirated copies to whoever first shared them out. All they need it to automate the system so each book sold has a unique and all but invisible 'watermark', a comma in an odd place, whatever.

      And you know what maybe they have a point; arguments can be made that musicians can earn from live performances, and that movies can earn at the box office. Where do authors make money if their works are pirated? Live readings and ebook signings? Please. This is a pretty low form of piracy.

    28. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I was going to do this, I would probably also play with the kerning to force some repagination, add some space characters before the newline at the end of some paragraphs, and so on. This approach to DRM is about as simple to get around as using a black magic marker on the edge of an "uncopyable" CD disk.

      In that case simply re-formatting the font and trimming the spaces so that no double white space exists and no spaces are left at the end of paragraphs would obliterate your unique marking. In short, adding something extra doesn't work, because it's relatively easy to find and can be removed without loss of quality of the given text. Introducing errors is stupid for other obvious reasons. I guess it could be done, perhaps by varying paragraph breaks and commas in certain places, because grammar rules dealing with those are flexible and tampering is hard to find even after careful examination. If done on a sufficiently large texts (assuming hundreds of paragraphs) varying the placement of those difference may be used to identify the source copies even if dozens are consolidated into one.

    29. Re:So... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      In other words, publishers peeing against the wind.

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    30. Re:So... by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      The point I was making was not to state to create an unaltered copy of the original but get enough data on the variation of the copies to be able to mess up the watermark enough to render it useless. Random pick of formatting/wording in deviating sections from one of the N copies obtained at each case. The result may be that you have variants A, B and C as source and your scrambling causes it to look like variant K, so the buyer of variant K will be blamed until they figure out that they are chasing in the wrong direction.

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    31. Re:So... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      There would be no need to reverse engineer a pristine copy of the work. Simply proofreading a single copy and correcting some of the existing errors, while at the same time, introducing a few new errors of the same type would be enough to confound any attempt to make a positive identification of the source.

      This approach has an incredibly high bogosity factor. I can't imagine anyone in the publishing industry with half a brain who would spend any money on its implementation... Oh wait. We are talking about the partially brain dead idjits who thought DRM was the best thing since sliced bread....

      If I was going to do this, I would probably also play with the kerning to force some repagination, add some space characters before the newline at the end of some paragraphs, and so on. This approach to DRM is about as simple to get around as using a black magic marker on the edge of an "uncopyable" CD disk.

      We are talking about the brain dead idjits who want ebooks to "wear out" after being read 25 times.

      Actually, I was looking forward to having a one-of-a-kind copy of a book. Uniqueness makes them collectable, right?

    32. Re:So... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      There would be no need to reverse engineer a pristine copy of the work. Simply proofreading a single copy and correcting some of the existing errors, while at the same time, introducing a few new errors of the same type

      I didn't read the article because I had seen it earlier in another news source, so I don't if this is mentioned in the one mentioned here, but proofreading may not do it in this case. The source I read mentioned two specific types of change that do not introduce any typos (I'm choosing the exampled myself):

      - One of them was reordering of nouns when the order does not matter, e.g. "Peter and John went for lunch" vs "John and Peter went for lunch";

      - The other was playing with negatives: e.g. "something is unclear" vs "something is not clear"

      Since there are no actual typos, it's hard to spot the identifying bits. You'd have to change the text substantially, in order to have a good chance of being free from discovery. Adding your own typos may not serve any purpose, since the company selling can focus just on the changes they made, not looking for other changes introduced after.

      Of course, if there is a concerted effort to release documents, all pirates would need to do would be buying a few copies and diffing the documents. You may not get the original back, but if the changes are randomly put in a specific set of words, you certainly can end up with something close to the original than any of the sold copies and still free from pirate identification.

      The ebooks I buy are encrypted using credentials that are unique to my account with the vendor. If I was to implement a watermarking scheme, I'd likely use these same credentials to power the watermarking process. In theory, that would make a pirated copy more traceable, and make gimmicked copies more obviously evidence of a deliberate attempt at piracy.

      There's also the fact that the current generation of at least some readers hide the book files in an area that is apparently physically inaccessible even to people who root the devices, so "accidental" leakage cannot be claimed. Although, for the record, next reader I but WILL have the books out in the open or I won't buy it. Not because I'm intending to pirate, but because I don't want my library evaporating if the bookstore does a "Borders" and turns off its support servers. Or because I changed booksellers.

      Or - and this is perhaps the most immediate concern - that I offend the Gods of Amazon in some way, such as letting my credit card expire on a non-book purchase and they shut my library down along with ever other service they offer. Which allegedly has been done to someone recently.

    33. Re:So... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      So that's why I come across obvious errors in books where I thought that if it stands out like a sore thumb at a non-native speaker, why the fuck did the proof-readers miss it?

      Actually, one or two books I've bought have either had major-disruptive goofs (pages out of place, repeated paragraphs, etc.) in them or actual "black holes" where the reader software locks up.

      So far I've resisted the temptation to decrypt and repair them, but...

    34. Re:So... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Where do authors make money

      With or without "piracy", that is a real question, because the vast majority of authors don't.

      I'm not sure about the exact numbers as it's been a while since I read the articles on this, but roughly 90% of authors don't have an income worth mentioning from their books or articles. Of the remaining 10%, less than 1% makes their living entirely on their writing. The vast majority of authors have a "real" job in addition to writing.

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    35. Re: So... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Why not? too specific? :P

    36. Re:So... by dintech · · Score: 1

      "Peter and John went for lunch" vs "John and Peter went for lunch"

      If we had two copies of the book, would diff be enough to muddy the waters of who's copy was the naughty one?

    37. Re:So... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      Neil Gaiman would disagree with you.

    38. Re:So... by mic0e · · Score: 1

      I still refuse to believe that piracy makes as much as a dent in sales.

    39. Re:So... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, you could write a piece of malware that snatches the books from all those it infects and sends back to your piracy collective. You get the books, someone else gets the blame, at least until the publisher realises what is going on.

    40. Re:So... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      So much like music, a tiny fraction of superstars gain fame and fortune while the vast majority toil away in relative obscurity.

    41. Re:So... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I doubt they'd go for something so obvious. I've only heard of one specific case (on a documentary TV program), and their example as a phantom cul-de-sac on the map that didn't actually exist. Cul-de-sacs are ideal, as no-one is going to plot a route that passes through one.

    42. Re: So... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      No, because someone already has it. Duh. ;)

    43. Re: So... by domatic · · Score: 1

      And you can also add "on a mobile device" and yet again repatent everything.

    44. Re:So... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree.

      In terms of getting exposure, I like Neil's stance on the issue. I read Sandman because a friend of mine pirated it and gave me a copy. I read the first three volumes. Then one day when I was in a comic store with some friends I saw the series and bought the whole thing because I had already read some of it, and liked what I had read. I would have never bought any of them and never heard of Neil Gaiman if it hadn't been because a friend of mine pirated his books. Since then I've bought a few other series written and co-written by Neil.

    45. Re:So... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      That's what I was thinking. So would-be pirates get together, buy a couple copies of the book, compare them for differences, and post a version of the book that combines both alterations in a random method thus ruining the tracking.

      Of course, DRM like this isn't really meant to prevent copying as much as it is meant to form a speed bump to deter the more casual would-be-pirates. (Let's be honest, no DRM stops the more serious pirates.) If this was the only DRM that was deployed, I'd actually support it versus methods like encrypting eBooks in non-open formats that can only be read by certain devices/applications and that can be remotely disabled.

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    46. Re:So... by MrMickS · · Score: 2

      DRM is all about artificially lowering the value of your product (to the user) in an attempt to make it more valuable. You think anyone in this bizarro world is using a brain?

      That's an odd way to view DRM. DRM is about the publishers attempting to associate a cost with the duplication of a work. The cost of creation a copy of a digital work is negligible. The cost of creation of a copy of a physical work isn't, both in materials and time taken to create the duplicate.

      Of course the key really is that there are people that believe that one they have bought something then they have a right to distribute that to others. This is ok in the case of a physical work. You pass it on and you don't have it anymore. With a digital work it doesn't work like that. The publishers, and authors/artists, fear that widespread digital duplication will deprive them of income. Hence they strive for a way to ensure that they don't lose out.

      Sadly its impossible to have a reasonable approach or discussion around this because of the extremist end of the debate that believes that and form of trying to prevent distribution of unlicensed copies is evil. If you want to prevent DRM come up with a scheme that addresses everyone's needs rather than making glib throwaway pronouncements.

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    47. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then write a program that makes changes to everything. If and when it makes no difference to the text, you can alter the whole book to a ridiculous amount.
        there may even be a paper in just how much you can alter text before it matters to the reader.
      If you're downloading illegal stuff. I guess you don't really care about the exact content Or you'd support the author.
      Of course, if they are messing about with math formulas then it is best to have the most correctish text you can.

    48. Re: So... by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

      And then "on a mobile device but with slightly rounded corners".

    49. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but this is different because

      ... on a computer

      So yes, they can (and will)

      No no no. It's because it's on a mobile device!

    50. Re:So... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Soldiers Field Road is in Boston, not a drive. And it doesn't look like it's that case any more.

      Google had some trouble with identification of highway names along US-30 which Banfield Expressway was (still is?). For the longest time most of US-30 was also named Quebec Route 366.

    51. Re:So... by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      That's what I was thinking. So would-be pirates get together, buy a couple copies of the book, compare them for differences, and post a version of the book that combines both alterations in a random method thus ruining the tracking.

      The "Nirvana fallacy" is the assumption that something needs to be perfect to be usable. If I have an ebook, and you want the same ebook, I can just copy it and give the copy to you. I can send it to you as an email attachment. Nothing could be simpler. 80% of all customers would know how to do this. And that is stopped if I know that by giving you a copy I put the book out of my control, you could be some idiot who puts the stuff on a website and then it's my problem, so I'm not giving you a copy.

      Now the effort involved in giving you a copy is so much higher; "buy a couple of books" is nonsense because why would a buy a couple of books to give you a copy, instead of you buying a book? And it takes substantial effort to make that copy, so it's not going to happen.

      And finally, _if_ the publisher finds a copy with watermark removed, then I would think the copier has gone straight into criminal territory, so while the risk of getting caught is lower, the possible damage to you is much higher.

    52. Re:So... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Maybe those are meaningless changes in an academic text. But if I were an author of fiction, I'd self-publish rather than have the carefully chosen cadence of my words altered.

    53. Re:So... by home-electro.com · · Score: 1

      More importantly, what exactly does this prove? So my copy was ripped and shared, now what? In order to convict and fine me, one would need to prove that *I shared* the copy, not that my copy merely got shared. Good luck with that, a lot of things could've happen - my computer hacked, my phone lost, etc.

      On another note, how is that happened that punctuation is not important anymore?

    54. Re:So... by home-electro.com · · Score: 1

      So they traced, now what? It is not enough to penalize anybody.

    55. Re:So... by slugstone · · Score: 0

      On another note, how is that happened that punctuation is not important anymore?

      Have you notice the new period lol

    56. Re:So... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If I buy a book, crack the DRM, and send it to you, no publisher is going to have any idea I did it, watermark or not.

      If I'm even a moderately serious pirate, I'm not going to balk at buying (or acquiring) an extra copy to do a diff with.

      The only situation this addresses is the casual user who breaks the DRM and then uploads his copy for widespread distribution. That scenario seems to be very rare. If it wasn't, there'd be lots of copies of everything already available anyway.

    57. Re:So... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      However if it's noticable and annoying enough like a low quality OCR scan, a lot of readers will turn to other copies of the work that are cleaned up.

      I highly doubt it will be garbled text, or even noticeable.

      I highly doubt it will be garbled text - Or even noticeable.

      Frankly, I think it's a good idea. Ensures people will be less likely to share their books, without them being burdened with DRM.

    58. Re:So... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The "Nirvana fallacy" is the assumption that something needs to be perfect to be usable.

      In the realm of DRM and encryption, that's basically how things work. Once you break it, the only ones being punished are the paying users of the "official" edition.

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    59. Re:So... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      You could have sold your copy to a used bookstore. Could have ripped a copy you checked out from the library. Could have traded or given it to a friend.

      DRM proponents have suggestions for those problems. The used bookstore and library could be forced to collect names and track every purchase or loan. Not too hard with most credit cards, but what if customers use cash or an anonymous kind of card? Customers could give false information. But of course their preferred solution is to outlaw the used bookstore entirely, and kill the public library with budget cuts. As to trading with friends, their solution seems to be to tie copies to devices so you can't. But you could still trade devices. To deal with that, they'd like to tie the device to the person, setting it up so it will only work after something like a retina scan matching the original purchaser. Would have to check quite frequently. This is of course marketed as enhancing the customer's security, because, assuming it can't be jail broken, thieves would not be able to use the device either.

      It's all fantasy. People will not accept such patently absurd artificial limitations. Even if all that was accepted, it still wouldn't work because it takes only one crack to break out. Someone could use the 'analog hole", and simply type what they read right back into a general purpose computer, if necessary making alterations to throw off any watermarks and any Windows Vista style scanning for copyrighted material.

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    60. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... one more reason to stick to the dead tree version. It annoys me when I find a typo in a book. A typo in a book is like a bug in a program; it's a flaw, an error. These idiots are not only selling ebooks at higher prices than physical books you actually own and can do whatever you want with, but they're deliberately inserting FLAWS in the book? This is brain-dead stupid.

      What makes it even more stupid is a study a publisher had done a few years ago. I wish I still had a link to a story, but the publisher wanted to know how much money piracy was costing him so he hired researchers. Since it takes a few weeks for a physical book with no ebook to hit the internet, they waited for the pirate version to come online and see how much of a drop in sales there was. They were astounded to find that rather than a drop is sales there was a sales spike -- people read the pirate version, liked it, and bought the real McCoy.

      Piracy does cost sales indirectly, when I'll refuse to buy a program or entertainment media because of restrictive DRM. DRM is one of the reasons I no longer buy video games. Their DRM cost them a paying customer and the many sales they would have made to me.

      What interested me about this story is I did somethin similar ten years ago when I had perhaps the most plagairized page on the internet. I didn't mind folks reposting it as long as they gave me credit and a link to my site, but it pissed me off when they presented it as their own work and sometimes even tried to claim copyright on it. I had dozens of them taken down. The way I found them was in the text I'd used my own IP address in an example, and found the plagairism gy googling for that IP address.

      I like it when people repost my own creations, but damn it, plagairism is just plain wrong.

    61. Re:So... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clarifying. I was misremembering the Quebec Route 366 / Banfield Expressway goof and confusing it with another goof (not Google) of a photo caption that had put an approach to the Fremont Bridge (in Portland) on Soldiers Field Road (in Boston). Silly me.

      --
      Will
    62. Re:So... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Imagine a group of people (lets say 30, although it could be in the hundreds) who are all required to buy an expensive ebook for a college course. Even if just a study group of ten people got together from a large lecture, they could find vast savings by buying three ebooks and making a "pristine" copy then sharing that within the group. If there is a "toss of the coin" phrase (X&Y vs Y&X), then they could remove or completely rewrite those sections. If they're collectively saving thousands of dollars, it seems worth the effort, legality aside.

    63. Re:So... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Or just take one copy, add a few other punctuation errors (or corrections) and presto - untrackable copy!

    64. Re:So... by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      It would not be that simple. If there were 100 changes to a text to which you removed 50 and added 50 of your own there would still be 50 alterations remaining that could identify the original source. The only way to combat this is to diff multiple versions and untangle all the changes so as to remove any remaining ID information.

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    65. Re:So... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      why add new errors? if you can correct the entire book, then you just release a clean version knowing they dont have a clean version out there.

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    66. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a patent attorney for a decade asshat, I'd love to hesr your credentials beyond trolling /. You won't get that through the patent system anymore.

      Care to back up your own credentials Mr. AC?

    67. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point I'm trying to get across is that you can reliably trace all sources of a "merged" copy which has been created by randomizing all places where three (or even more) watermarked copies are not all the same. And this is easy, btw.: I have working example code, and it is not limited to 10-11 sold books, like the other AC mockingly remarked. Fewer than 100 lines of very readable code, and no complicated discrete math needed at all. If you don't randomly choose one of the instances per diff location but create your own modifications instead, like JMJimmy suggests, you just make finding the three sources easier.

    68. Re:So... by ArcadeX · · Score: 1

      Instead of going through all that trouble, buy a pre-paid credit card with cash, create a fake email account, then buy all the books you want and release them on the interwebs. Your serious pirates were already doing this before, not much has changed...

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      An I.T. motto in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing...
    69. Re:So... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      The point I was making was not to state to create an unaltered copy of the original but get enough data on the variation of the copies to be able to mess up the watermark enough to render it useless. Random pick of formatting/wording in deviating sections from one of the N copies obtained at each case. The result may be that you have variants A, B and C as source and your scrambling causes it to look like variant K, so the buyer of variant K will be blamed until they figure out that they are chasing in the wrong direction.

      Or by doing diffs on the text you might find the variations and be able to eliminate them, producing the original unvariated work and thus no watermark at all.

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      Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
    70. Re:So... by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      That's what I was thinking. So would-be pirates get together, buy a couple copies of the book, compare them for differences, and post a version of the book that combines both alterations in a random method thus ruining the tracking.

      The way this system might work is to have 32 possible differences per book, where each difference can be thought of as a single bit (e.g., "is not" in one version and "isn't" in another). The combination of differences would allow 4 billion different versions, more than enough for even the most insane best seller.

      So, if you only have 3 versions, you might see as few as two bits of information. You could get lucky and see a lot more, but even so, the publisher could likely localize the leak to a very small number of buyers.

    71. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want to go to a doctor who's training from a textbook that's been written and published without being proofread by medical specialists? Better hope your lawyer didn't go down the same route, because you'll need a good one.

    72. Re:So... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Or, as GK Chesterton put it in _All Things Considered_:
       
       

      When I was a very young journalist I used to be irritated at a peculiar habit of printers, a habit which most persons of a tendency similar to mine have probably noticed also. It goes along with the fixed belief of printers that to be a Rationalist is the same thing as to be a Nationalist. I mean the printer's tendency to turn the word "cosmic" into the word "comic." It annoyed me at the time. But since then I have come to the conclusion that the printers were right. The democracy is always right. Whatever is cosmic is comic.

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    73. Re:So... by danomac · · Score: 1

      Even if I (and you, reader) can say "it will never happen to me", it will happen to somebody, probably many people along the years.

      Yep, all it takes is dropping a computer off for service and the tech "helps" himself to your media. It's happened before...

    74. Re:So... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to introduce new errors? Wouldn't that just give your corrected pirated copy it's own unique fingerprint?

      --
      For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
    75. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normal book publishers have been doing this for decades, inserting the occasional misspelling here or there.

      Hanlon's Razor applies here, methinks.

    76. Re:So... by suutar · · Score: 1

      They're not trying to attack serious pirates with this. They're trying to scare casual copiers, who they believe (correctly or not) generate orders of magnitude more "lost sales" (defined as 'person reads book without having purchased it') overall, and who are more likely to garner public sympathy (since they're typically not doing it for monetary profit).

    77. Re:So... by suutar · · Score: 1

      sideband attack wins again!

    78. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I believe you don't need discrete math to find a combination of bits in the database. No, it's not limited to 10-11 books. I made a mistake and it's 19-20 actually.

      It's basic combinatorics and information theory - go ahead and try to build 3 bit strings that have a) at least one same bit for any pair, b) at least one different bit for every single. You'll need at least 3 - or C(3, 2) - bits to do it. For 2 out of 4 you'll need C(4, 2) or 6 bits, for 3 out of 5 - C(5, 3) or 10 bits, for 3 conspirators out of 20 buyers - C(20, 3) = 1140 bits.

      If you have less than that - you won't be able to do that, either exposing too much to pirates or getting false positives.

      PS: It's a pity too many coders learn to code before learning the theory. Seriously, go ahead and try to find 3 pirates out of 4 buyers with no more than 6 bits per each. Can't beat the math.

    79. Re:So... by kwaw · · Score: 1

      It's funny to know that such watermarking is available on the market as a service for years, including Germany (shown on Frankfurt book fair).
      For example from http://elib.pl/.

    80. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Any action that lowers the accessibility, the usability, the reusability, the convenience of use or its resale value inherently reduces the value of the product for its consumer.

      It may not matter to you, but it is a reduction of objective value. If I cannot resell the product to recover some of the investment, I lose the associated cash value. If I cannot resell an object I bought for 50 for, say, 20, the product instantly became 20 more expensive since I cannot recover this by parting with the product. If I have to jump through some DRM hoops to use a product, the convenience of use is lower than with one where I do not have to jump them. Whether and how much this "costs" you depends on whether your time has a cash value. Mine does. I could either spend an hour struggling with your DRM or I could go and work overtime, the earning opportunities of which outmatches the value of your CD by some margin and then some.

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    81. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What's odd about it? If I cannot create a backup copy for when the copy I have breaks, I have to spend again to replace it. Either time&money to send for a replacement (hoping that I can get one in the first place, that is) or time&bandwidth (which may be time&money again, depending on your online plan). Unless of course I have to rebuy the content because I do not get a replacement at all.

      If I cannot resell my copy, I am directly losing money, i.e. the resale value of the object in question.

      And in this case, I may well have to take care of a huge liability, because when my ebook reader gets stolen I somehow have to prove that it wasn't me that distributed the content. Hope that this liability doesn't turn into a costly lawsuit.

      Still want to convince me DRM doesn't lower the value of the product to me?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    82. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not limited to 19-20 sold books either. With 1000 watermark bits (i.e. places in the book where there are two exchangeable expressions to choose from) I can crank up the number of buyers until my not at all optimized example program runs out of memory (greater than 100000 buyers) and I can still pinpoint the three watermarked copies that were combined with all places where they're not the same randomized (i.e. the places where the watermark's presence can be detected). Let me stress this again: I have working code. If you ever rely on this not being possible, you will get burned.

    83. Re:So... by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      I can speak for fact that the "official" city map of my hometown has a street that doesn't exist on it. When I fist saw it as a kid, I wondered if it was a street that was planned and never built. Of course, now I recognize it as DRM as there is no room for a street to ever be there. It was fun to order a pizza now and then and have it delivered there.

    84. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that I'm too dumb to use a spellchecker.

      Sadly, there are those here who trust their spell checkers too much and still reveal their lack of education with bullshit like "there car's are over they're." They're too dumb to realize how obvious their ignorance is.

    85. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think pirates won't rip off independent authors?

      What makes you think independant authors don't jump at the chance to have their books read? Nobody's going to buy a book from an author they've never heard of. If someone downloads my first book and likes it, he's likely to buy the second one I write. If he's never heard of me I'm not getting a dime from him.

      I put my first book on TPB myself, now folks are begging me to publish it in dead tree version (which I might do when I finish the second one). I believe in the right to read and the right to own what you pay for. So I give ebooks away, and will only sell paper.

    86. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so similar to what fraternity houses used to do. It could be this is another pragmatic reason for joining a frat in today's world.

    87. Re:So... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to introduce new errors? Wouldn't that just give your corrected pirated copy it's own unique fingerprint?

      Precisely right! Copies with unique fingerprints that do not match any of the publisher's records! Should help drive them further 'round the bend.

      On a more pragmatic note, it is likely that the proofreading pirate would miss some of the errors of the publisher's fingerprint, perhaps enough that the publisher's sniffer would still be able to identify who bought the copy that was copied. By introducing some more errors, the pirate introduces false leads that end up going nowhere. The sniffer will have a harder time identifying which copy was copied.

      End result: rather than a prosecutor being able to say "the fingerprint is conclusive evidence that the copy bought by J. Doe is the one the pirate used", all he would be able to say is "there is a 70% match between the pirated version and the copy that was sold to J. Doe", whereupon the Court would have to decide how much of an imperfect matchup was sufficient evidence?

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      Will
    88. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drm needs servers. Those servers belong to a company that WILL sunset them at one point in the future. DRMed media has no future, it is the end of ownership.

    89. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I highly doubt it will be garbled text - Or even noticeable.

      They don't think it be like it is - But it do.

    90. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would also have to buy more than 2.

      As the 'bits' are random. So you may or may not find all the bits with 2 copies. You would need as many copies of the books (from different users) as there are bits. Plus some amount of overhead to give you a statistical significance of confidence that you found them all or at least enough to make it so if I give you a copy it is not an issue for me.

    91. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me stress it again: I'm not talking about performance or memory.

      What I'm saying is 1000 bits is not enough to identify a group of three pirates in any significant group of buyers. If any three of your watermarks have ~250 bits in common and that's what you hope to use to catch pirates, it means a fucking lot of other people have those 250 bits in common as well. As simple as that.

      I sure hope you won't ever rely on your code to catch baddies, because I don't want to go to jail when your program finds 3 random schmucks and me amongst them.

    92. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll see if I can devise a protocol that lets me prove this to you, but for now here's what the actual working code does:
      I use a 1000 bit watermark, which means in the hypothetical book there would be 1000 fixed locations with two interchangeable phrases each.
      For each of 100000 buyers, I create a unique watermark. The result is an array of 100000 bit patterns that are 1000 bits long each.
      3 buyers are randomly selected and their watermarks are combined such that bits which are the same in each of the three watermarks (and thus undetectable from a comparison of the three watermarked copies of the book) remain as they are and all other bits are chosen at random ("coin toss"). The resulting "pirate" watermark is all that's passed back to the publisher.
      Then I can tell accurately, repeatably and without cheating which three of the 100000 buyers conspired to create the pirate copy. What this means is that the index numbers of the three conspirators are printed as they are chosen and later the analysis step prints the index numbers of the detected conspirators and they are the same numbers.

      This shit works. Promise.

    93. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 buyers are randomly selected and their watermarks are combined such that bits which are the same in each of the three watermarks (and thus undetectable from a comparison of the three watermarked copies of the book) remain as they are and all other bits are chosen at random ("coin toss"). The resulting "pirate" watermark is all that's passed back to the publisher.

      And what I keep repeating to you is I don't doubt that you can find patterns of bits. There just won't be enough bits for every randomly selected triple of buyers to have a unique pattern.

      Sure, you'll be able to detect those who had same pattern of identical bits - you won't be able to guarantee getting just three results from that and you will be getting false positives aplenty. "Hey, we've thrown away the trash bits and we're certain it's 3 of those 30!" is not as helpful for copyright infringement case as it would be for a murder case.

    94. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accurately, repeatably and without cheating. The three conspirators are chosen randomly. I don't preselect them in any way and it really doesn't matter which three are chosen. The analysis step outputs three numbers and they are the same three numbers which were randomly chosen earlier, not a larger selection which contains those three numbers. The program literally tells you whodunnit, for example 95522, 83145, 56147 (I just ran the program to get those numbers, they were chosen randomly and detected accurately). You say it can't be done reliably for more than 20 buyers and I can tell with 100000 buyers, over and over again. Maybe you shouldn't be so sure of your "proof".

    95. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a published author: it's bad enough that a human copy-editor sometimes makes changes like that for no obvious reason. To have a piece of software multiplying them throughout the work would be beyond infuriating.

      Fortunately, European copyright law protects me from having to put up with such shenanigans. My 'moral rights' in the work give me the right to prevent publication if I object to how it's been distorted. (The same rule would, in theory, allow performers to object to sanitised 'radio edits' of their songs being broadcast, but I don't recall ever hearing of such a case.)

    96. Re:So... by Harik · · Score: 1

      And finally, _if_ the publisher finds a copy with watermark removed, then I would think the copier has gone straight into criminal territory, so while the risk of getting caught is lower, the possible damage to you is much higher.

      Right, it's finding the watermark removed that's the big red flag, not that they found it on a filesharing service. Do people think about what they type before prognosticating on /.?

    97. Re:So... by Harik · · Score: 1

      They could rewrite the entire book, keeping only some of the sections with deliberate watermark errors, and it'd still be tracked down to them.

      You miss out on the fact that they're not looking for errors - they're looking for specific errors in specific places. Think back to old detective novels with a piece of cardboard with little squares cut in it. Put it over the right page of what looks like a love letter and "we bust out of the back exercize yard at midnight" pops out.

      With sufficient redundancy in their data (Come on, people, QR codes, PAR2? ECC? How does a group of computer people not instantly comprehend the idea of redundancy?) you couldn't be sure that random selection of bit flips would be enough to obscure your trail.

    98. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a patent attorney for 173 years and you are wrong!!!1!11!11!!11

    99. Re:So... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You know all hope is lost when you ask a user to check his grammar and he informs you that she died 5 years ago.

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    100. Re:So... by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      Yes but this is different because

      ... on a computer

      So yes, they can (and will)

      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.
      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.
      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.
      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.
      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.
      Well this is stenography where the hidden message is a DRM ID/Code.

      This seems to be a crazy OMG nightmare for the DHS and friends.
      The risk for honest law enforcement is that all sorts of content (both public and private) can now serve for key distribution or message distribution... and if the DRM wankers do a lot of small space insertion and random application of kerning etc then ANY document becomes suspect.

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      Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
    101. Re:So... by Meski · · Score: 1

      http://theory.stanford.edu/~aiken/publications/papers/sigmod03.pdf seems a similar type of thing, and I'm not sure that's original either. (2003)

    102. Re: So... by Meski · · Score: 1

      I take your 'slightly rounded corners' and raise you a 'series of straight lines'

  2. Defeated in one... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Sign up to service with alias
    2. Use untraceable account (prepaid credit card, bitcoin, points card)
    3. Share files with "watermarks"
    4. Don't give a shit that it gets traced back to a throw away account

    They could have saved a significant amount of effort if they had asked me first...

    1. Re:Defeated in one... by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      i think that's fine, but you're forgetting the second part of this - the person who downloads is at risk of being tracked too. similarly, if you download then upload again, then it's more exposure. lots of it is FUD, but imho very convincing fud.

    2. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Acquire multiple copies, run through diff, select most common and correct version each difference, then randomly permute other punctuation in non noticeable ways...

    3. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tor

    4. Re:Defeated in one... by brit74 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if your goal from the very start is to buy a book so that you could put it online for other pirates. Most people aren't putting that much forethought into their crimes. And once you bought a book (with your own credit card), and then decide afterwards that you want to put it out there for pirates, suddenly, you realize that it's not such a good idea.

    5. Re:Defeated in one... by brit74 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because a pirate wants to buy multiple copies of the same book now.

    6. Re:Defeated in one... by Duhavid · · Score: 2

      Or normalize all capitalization, punctuation, spelling and grammar.

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    7. Re:Defeated in one... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Some pirates do do that. But many end up shared from someone who was more careless than complicit.

    8. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My pirated copy of Finegan's Wake would be rather odd.

      Normalizing "...all capitalization, punctuation, spelling and grammar." wouldn't really work for a majority (probably) of the serious fiction that is published. Authors like to play with the language.

    9. Re:Defeated in one... by richlv · · Score: 1

      ah, but in germany you have to provide passport or similar id just to get a simcard, thus they can trace you by the connection. just in germany, you say ? surely they will push for this to cover whole eu and then more...
      and germans still had the guts to lecture usa on the internet freedom, anonymity and privacy.

      on the other hand, i don't see how this prevents something like getting a usb stick with the book stolen. usb stick might even be re-found later.

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      Rich
    10. Re:Defeated in one... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'd be easy to make minor alterations to the text itsself. Perhaps a character can be described as dark-haired and wearing a red shirt in one version, but wearing a red shirt and dark-haired in another. Find 32 such places and you can identify four billion unique versions.

    11. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the person who downloads at risk? How will anyone ever know that I have a PDF on my computer of "discrete mathematics with applications 4th edition" "Kenneth Reek Pointers on C OCR-ed 1.0 1997" and "Randal E. Bryant, David R. OHallaron Computer Systems A Programmers Perspective, 2nd Edition 2010"?

      Hint: They won't.

    12. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's different release groups, so there would be naturally several copies out (unless it's all from the same source lol)

    13. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TH3N W3 SHOULD JUST 4DOPT T3R3Z1-SP34K.

    14. Re:Defeated in one... by complete+loony · · Score: 2

      Then they'll implemented a polymorphic sentence generator. Actually you could set it all up by hand, it wouldn't take too much effort. Pick a handful of sentences, pick a handful of alternative words from a thesaurus or rephrasings that don't change the intent. Heck the alternatives could all be provided by the original author if you like. You'd need less than 60 possible replacements across the whole book to encode a unique enough watermark.

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    15. Re: Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just write your own goddamn book while you're at it.

    16. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what if a program was written such that all the punctuations were ripped out and random words were purposely misspelled? fighting obscurity with more obscurity.

    17. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or simple diff comparison between multiple copies

    18. Re:Defeated in one... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And once you bought a book (with your own credit card), and then decide afterwards that you want to put it out there for pirates, suddenly, you realize that it's not such a good idea.

      You realize it's not such a good idea... and 3/4 of a second later you just download it from another source. So you've really accomplished little.

      Has Apple's similar approach impacted music piracy?

      "Apple embeds your account information in all songs sold on the store, not just DRM-free songs. Previously it wasn't much of a big deal, since no one could imagine users sharing encrypted, DRMed content. But now that DRM-free music from Apple is on the loose, the hidden data is more significant since it could theoretically be used to trace shared tunes back to the original owner."

      http://arstechnica.com/apple/2007/05/apple-hides-account-info-in-drm-free-music-too/

    19. Re:Defeated in one... by Phasma+Felis · · Score: 1

      The downloader was already trackable. Bittorrent was never a secure protocol; that's where all those lawsuits got their targets. Knowing who paid for the original copy of the downloaded file changes nothing.

    20. Re:Defeated in one... by The+Cat · · Score: 1

      They'll just laugh at you for spending time and money making yourself look like a douchebag.

      And your file sharing will have zero effect on sales of an e-book.

    21. Re:Defeated in one... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, it's not so far fetched that there will be various files that reach back to one source. I remember a certain song that had a quite noticeable glitch somewhere, a compression mistake or something like that. I know for a fact that it wasn't meant to be that way because it was played up and down on every radio station and music TV station, every time without that glitch (and it just sounded like a compression bug, too). The same applies to the pressed CD because I later bought it just for the sole reason to find out whether that glitch is supposed to be there, and on the original pressed disc there was no such artifact.

      But no matter where I went and at what party I heard it, I always heard exactly the same glitch. Ok, one may say, it's a local thing. So I thought, too, until I heard it at a party on a different continent. I waited for it, and I was quite amazed to hear that well known glitch.

      And then on YouTube...

      And it wasn't some obscure, barely known song, it was something that clogged the airwaves for quite a while. I later tried to create an MP3 of the file myself to check whether it was some obscure reason why it "has to" end up with that glitch when converted and no, at least my converter managed to encode it flawlessly.

      So I guess the only conclusion I could come up with is that everyone on this PLANET downloaded the same file from the same crappy source. One person encoded it and everyone downloaded from him.

      Kinda amazing that it still was such a seller. I mean, isn't the big complaint of the music industry that everyone is just downloading it? And obviously, for this song one sold CD would have sufficed to satisfy the damned... I mean the demand.

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    22. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      heh. you said "do do."

    23. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it Eminem?

    24. Re:Defeated in one... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In Europe you have the right to sell your digital media, so even if it is traced back to you then it could have been legitimately sold to someone else for cash in an untraceable way.

      BTW, which song was it? I'm curious now.

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    25. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. I was in Deutschland recently, am not german (I'm from another EU state), bought a sim card to use during my stay, and didn't need any form of ID.

    26. Re:Defeated in one... by luttapi · · Score: 1

      Even these precautions wouldn't be necessary if 1000's of people shared the files. Even if they can be tracked back, no publisher will have the resources to go after 1000's of people worldwide.

    27. Re: Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Simplified Integrated Modular Prose. (SIMP). Words chosen randomly from column 0,1,2,3, ...

    28. Re:Defeated in one... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hell if I remembered the title, I have that melody stuck in my head now (including the glitch) but you don't think I could remember even a few random words that I could toss at google, do you?

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    29. Re:Defeated in one... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, I said it was music!

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    30. Re:Defeated in one... by richlv · · Score: 1

      where did you buy it ? t-mobile shop girl was not going to sell one without passport or "id card"...
      and it is supposed to be like that everywhere in germany

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    31. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and you need exactly two copies to find out the errors or words, and to make a random compilation of the differing parts to create a whole new "watermark".

    32. Re:Defeated in one... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      And then on YouTube...

      Most of the music videos on YouTube are put out by the studios or artists themselves. The vast majority of illegitimate uploads get flagged and removed for copyright infringement by the time they hit a couple hundred thousand views.

      I later tried to create an MP3 of the file myself to check whether it was some obscure reason why it "has to" end up with that glitch when converted and no, at least my converter managed to encode it flawlessly.

      CDs are rather interesting in that they don't store the audio data as digital files. Yes your ripping program creates digital WAV files, but that's not the way the music is encoded on the disc (in contrast to DVDs which store digital files). The music's waveform is encoded digitally, but as a stream. So ripping the same CD on two different drives will usually produce slightly different files depending on exactly how the drive positions the read head relative to the start of the disc.

      That said, it may have been an encoder bug which created the glitch you noticed. And by the time you ran your tests the bug had been fixed.

    33. Re:Defeated in one... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      My goal, if I were to do such a thing, would be to share my culture with others. It has been thus with species homo for thousands and thousands of years. Personally, I believe it was the Ferengi who came up with the idea of copyrights.

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    34. Re:Defeated in one... by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      There's a similar curious artefact/glitch in an Abba song "Flying hi^^^gh high, like a bird in the sky" which I don't think was limited to my CD but was certainly not in every copy that I heard. Won't have been DRM in those days though.

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    35. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just go to any random supermarket or phone store that sells the non-subscription sim cards.
      At least in the Netherlands you can do that.
      I think the only time they need your passport is if your making an account with them.

    36. Re:Defeated in one... by Nyder · · Score: 1

      The downloader was already trackable. Bittorrent was never a secure protocol; that's where all those lawsuits got their targets. Knowing who paid for the original copy of the downloaded file changes nothing.

      That's what a VPN is for. Seriously, this day and age, you use a VPN for your torrents.

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    37. Re:Defeated in one... by richlv · · Score: 1

      bought a non-subscription sim from t-mobile two days ago. no-go w/o passport, id card or driver's licence.

      please note that i was talking about germany, not netherlands or most other european countries :)

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    38. Re:Defeated in one... by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      1. Get a copy from a legal user, without their knowledge.

    39. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, alternatively and more likely

      1. Gain access to a user's account
      2. Share files with "watermarks"
      3. Don't give a shit that it gets traced back to the user

    40. Re:Defeated in one... by bhmit1 · · Score: 2

      This isn't designed to stop the determined thief, there will still be plenty of piracy. Instead, it's designed to maximize profits from average users. Friends no longer let other friends borrow a copy of their book like they would have done with a physical book, because they are afraid that it could get shared publicly.

      It's not so different from how dvd DRM isn't to stop people from making copies of movies, it's to prevent the manufacturers of players from adding features that customers would like, such as region free playing and the ability to skip ads at the beginning of the disk.

      In both cases, criminals can easily do what they've always done, but the law abiding users are less and less able to use the product in ways that used to be legal.

    41. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Common People" by Pulp?

      That's got a double-click noise in it which I'm sure shouldn't be there... At least on the versions I've heard ;)

    42. Re:Defeated in one... by fuzzybunny · · Score: 1

      You're assuming there will be only one pirate. If I were to make an ebook available, under the parent poster's idea I'd check to see whether there are others out there already, and then run the diff.

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    43. Re:Defeated in one... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      "Apple embeds your account information in all songs sold on the store, not just DRM-free songs. Previously it wasn't much of a big deal, since no one could imagine users sharing encrypted, DRMed content. But now that DRM-free music from Apple is on the loose, the hidden data is more significant since it could theoretically be used to trace shared tunes back to the original owner."

      It has two effects: It puts stuff into the "Purchased items" folder in iTunes, and it prevents things with the wrong ID to be uploaded to your computer if you use "Upload purchased items from device" by mistake with a friend's iPod or iPhone. I'm assuming it is a mistake, obviously.

    44. Re:Defeated in one... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      1. Get a copy from a legal user, without their knowledge.

      You just went from a little bit of copyright infringement to criminal hacking, and what is called in the UK "perverting the course of justice" by creating false evidence, which is a crime that _will_ be punished with time in jail if you get caught.

    45. Re:Defeated in one... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Or to put it simply, there's no error correction bits and scratches are common.

    46. Re:Defeated in one... by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      No you would need more than two copies. Imagine you have 100 such things as "Peter and Jane" or "Jane and Peter" that represent a one or zero. That is a 100 bit binary code we could put in the book. Assume that your book is going to be wildly successful so we allow 33 bits for the unique number (that's more than the current population of the world) and the remaining 67 to be an error code. Now to change the watermark you need to change 68 of the 100 individual marks in the book. The more error correcting bits you have the harder it gets to change the identification code.

      However just two books will on average only identify 50 bits assuming the bits are entirely randomly distributed, so you would not have enough information from two books unless you struck lucky to remove or alter the watermark.

      Obviously you can add more books and as you do so identify more of the individual marks, though there is a law of diminishing returns as the more books you add the fewer additional marks you identify. A third book will on average get you another 25 marks in my example and on average let you change the code.

      It would I believe be impossible just using electronic versions to reconstruct an original book, though for the time being one could compare it to a dead tree version assuming it existed to determine the authoritative version of each mark.

    47. Re:Defeated in one... by dmatos · · Score: 1

      Or normalize all capitalization, punctuation, spelling, and grammar.

      FTFY. Oxford comma FTW!

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    48. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it "Beer for my horses"?

    49. Re:Defeated in one... by drussell · · Score: 1

      No, there actually are error correction bits but most players/drives ignore them when playing/reading audio. Good drives like Plextors will do bit-perfect DAE. Even some of my older Sony, Yamaha and Pioneer SCSI drives do it by themselves. I still use my old drives for my DAE needs. Most cheap new drives don't bother but you can read multiple times and make it pretty close with software. Something like grip works well.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard)

    50. Re:Defeated in one... by drussell · · Score: 1

      So ripping the same CD on two different drives will usually produce slightly different files depending on exactly how the drive positions the read head relative to the start of the disc.

      Depends on the drive. Most ignore the error correction bits however some better (and usually older) ones will actually read the error correction bits and correct (any correctable errors) on the fly and you'll always get either the exact same data or a read error.

    51. Re:Defeated in one... by xorsyst · · Score: 1

      Not if you configure your ripping software properly. That's what the accurate rip database is for, after all.

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    52. Re:Defeated in one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Confirmation bias is really only cool when it happens to you.

    53. Re:Defeated in one... by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      I was also thinking that each target replacement would have more than one possible variation, though from a pure entropy point of view that doesn't change the likelyhood of invalidating the watermark.

      Also once you've discovered a couple of the variations used in the watermark, then choose one option from each variation randomly. Then the remaining mark may be able to identify one of the purchasers, or perhaps both of you. But could certainly narrow down the possibilities to a handful of people.

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    54. Re:Defeated in one... by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Well maybe if you just hum a few bars someone here will be able to identify it.

    55. Re:Defeated in one... by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Or just use an array of similar words and randomly pick one:

      Are ya happy to see me, or is that a banana in your pocket?

      Are ya happy to see me, or is that a blueberry in your pocket?

      See, it makes no difference because they are all some sort of fruit.

    56. Re:Defeated in one... by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying I'd do that, or that I advocate it. I'm just pointing out how easily defeated this system is. If somebody did this, they'd incriminate somebody who was completely innocent of spreading the ebook.

      Seeing a marker in the wild tells you nothing of who actually copied it.

  3. Yes, but... by madmarcel · · Score: 0

    Haven't read the article, but at first glance I would say that:
    It is inevitable that the unaltered document is pirated and made available online, and given the availability of both original and altered version, it should be trivial to detect the subtle differences, and undo them.

    Or, better yet...
    Would it be more interesting to start adding your own random subtle alterations to e-books when you re-distribute them?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's not exactly like people stripping DRM and re-releasing ebooks don't know about regular expressions. Text is text afterall, once you get the formatting to a certain level.

      Sounds like useless process is useless...

      Or am I missing something here?

  4. Goddammit. by Chrontius · · Score: 5, Funny

    I catch all the typos in my books.

    They irritate me.

    I'd probably crack 'em, fix them all, and goddammit, that'd be "circumvention".

    1. Re:Goddammit. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I catch all the typos in my books.

      Do you really think you'd notice a pattern of extra trailing spaces behind the last words of certain paragraphs of certain chapters?

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    2. Re:Goddammit. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Having noticed that exact thing in Word documents, I would say yes.

      Granted, the documents weren't hundred of pages long, but if I had to actively find extra spaces, the search function would work easily enough.

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    3. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In these days of spell and grammar checking, and easy document formatting, any typos, misspelt words, correctly spelt but incorrectly used words (serial/cereal), grammatical errors and formatting problems would be good grounds for a legitimate refund, as you are not receiving a professionally finished article.

      When it comes down to it, I've read fan-fiction that was a far superior product than the original text it was based upon.

    4. Re:Goddammit. by Bremic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine going to Shakespear and saying "Sure we will publish your plays, but every person who buys a copy will get a different version where we change the words and the cadence a bit."

      Buy a copy of a play for every actor, all of them have minor variations which cause massive confusion.

      Hell, change the Bible randomly; that wouldn't get noticed at all.

    5. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a copy of a play for every actor, all of them have minor variations which cause massive confusion.

      Huh? Notwithstanding a possible chorus, any actor has a unique set of lines already. Providing the other's actors lines were similar enough to cue what possible source of confusion would there be?

      Not the best example perhaps.

    6. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      s/\s+/\s/g

    7. Re:Goddammit. by richlv · · Score: 2

      i'm catching trailing whitespace in all files i can and dealing with it. most of my editors highlight it, so that helps. then there's this bit of sed 's/[ \t]*$//' ;)

      (some pedantic disorder, i know :> )

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    8. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think that just suggesting that to Shakespeare would result in some high drama regardless of any confusion.

    9. Re:Goddammit. by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's "Shakespeare" but you not know that because you stole ebook and DRM has caught you red-handed as Ebook-pirate-thief.

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    10. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shakespeare would have been fine with that. He was as much a businessman as an artist, and his works were created to be popular in his own time, not to be pristine cultural artifacts.

    11. Re:Goddammit. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      "I see there are no double spaces in your copy. This is a clear sign that you pirated it."

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    12. Re:Goddammit. by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

      I would! I deal with lots of text at work. Extra spaces bug me because a work app has a 1000 character limit. Ctrl A and they show up like a sore thumb. Beside a simple app could strip trailing and repeated spaces plus a simple grammar check would highlight obvious stuff.

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    13. Re: Goddammit. by Therad · · Score: 0

      add a cross on the quran and most bible thumpers wouldn't notice. if you would change muhammed to jesus it would catch most of the others (except for genuine preachers).

    14. Re:Goddammit. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      That would be trivially fixed via using regular expressions. Hell, you could do that by simply opening it as an html file and copying the text.

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    15. Re:Goddammit. by Phasma+Felis · · Score: 1

      I would and have.

    16. Re:Goddammit. by oobayly · · Score: 2

      As somebody who has done lighting (for a very small production), it can be bloody difficult when people start ad-libbing because it can really screw with the cues that you're waiting for. So I'm with the GP - minor changes can cause major confusion.

    17. Re:Goddammit. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      It's odd that you would bring up Shakespeare. The Quarto and Folio versions of many of his plays differ. Pericles is in the third folio, but not in the first or second folios. There are "bad quarto" versions of Romeo and Juliet, Henry V, Merry Wives of Windsor, Hamlet, and Henry VI, parts two and three. There's also a false folio. Good fodder for PhD dissertation, bad for a slashdot analogy.

    18. Re:Goddammit. by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Or a clear sign of neurotic perfectionism. #Justsayin.

      (Actually, I prefer double-spaces after all sentence-ending punctuation. Different failure-state.)

    19. Re:Goddammit. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How the heck do you plan to see my copy in the first place?

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    20. Re:Goddammit. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ya know, I can almost hear the architect of the tower at Babylon go "But to make sure they don't rip us off, let's alter the wording just ever so slightly in every single copy of the blueprint that we give them".

      Today, we know this bright idea as the Babylonian confusion.

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    21. Re:Goddammit. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Dude, you act as if anyone would notice if someone said a word wrongly in a Shakespeare play. Everyone would just grin and nod his head, thinking it's some obscure, ancient word that he doesn't know but acts as if he did lest he appears stupid and low-brow.

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    22. Re:Goddammit. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering the "cultural artifacts" created today, we can only put our hopes in DRM or the future will judge us by the way we were "entertained".

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    23. Re:Goddammit. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yes, if he's a Python programmer.

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    24. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "these days" you say? Spell and grammar checking is ancient history! And these kids today use autocorrect and find a way to fuck that up too!

                                     

    25. Re:Goddammit. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      I think he was more asking if you would notice such modifications just reading a book? It's very unlikely you would notice additional spaces added to a couple of hundred of pages of justified text.

      Of course you could search for additional spaces, and whatever else they add. The point is that is it'd be additional work for you to perform searches/analysis, and hopefully a deterrent against copyright infringement. Ironically though I'd say the people who actually know this exists, and could be deterred by it, are the ones likely to know how to remove the DRM.

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    26. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      match WhitespaceEOL /\s\+$\| \+\ze\t/
      set listchars=tab:>-,trail:.,extends:>
      highlight WhitespaceEOL ctermbg=red guibg=red

    27. Re:Goddammit. by pmikell · · Score: 1

      Hell, change the Bible randomly; that wouldn't get noticed at all.

      I think they already did that, considering the way the Bible uses italicization.

    28. Re:Goddammit. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I catch all the typos in my books. They irritate me. I'd probably crack 'em, fix them all, and goddammit, that'd be "circumvention".

      You won't have to. If this becomes popular, you'll just have to get all your ebooks from p2p.

      Like most DRM schemes, it's only the legitimate customers who will lose access to the higher quality content. This is essentially what happened with audiobooks. If you want a high quality audiobook, you don't get it from Audible (which purposefully degrades their quality), or even if you do end up getting an audiobook from Audible, you end up downloading the very same title from p2p because what you find on p2p in the category of audiobooks is usually of much higher quality and of a higher bitrate (than what they're trying to sell online).

    29. Re:Goddammit. by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 1

      Your right, this is ironic!

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    30. Re:Goddammit. by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Yes, a reasonable habit from the days when I used a mechanical typewriter (and still good for monospaced code comments), but occasionally in need of an override for Twee

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    31. Re:Goddammit. by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      If it's pedantry you're after I prefer to replace your * with + to nominally minimise work done!

      Rgds

      Damon

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    32. Re:Goddammit. by richlv · · Score: 1

      ooh. not sure how much resources that could save, but i like your way of thinking ;D

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    33. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Printers have persecuted me without cause" :)

    34. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wait until the next time your e-reader hits an internet connection and then copy all your documents.

      All commercial e-book readers with the ability to connect to the web do this.

    35. Re:Goddammit. by MisterZimbu · · Score: 1

      Imagine going to Shakespear and saying "Sure we will publish your plays, but every person who buys a copy will get a different version where we change the words and the cadence a bit."

      Buy a copy of a play for every actor, all of them have minor variations which cause massive confusion.

      Hell, change the Bible randomly; that wouldn't get noticed at all.

      Books are not plays. What words you read don't really have an effect on what words others read from the same book.

      Though this would affect grade schoolers' English classes reading from books out loud. I wonder how many kids will get falsely diagnosed with dyslexia because they were reading "Jim and Steve" when everyone else's books read "Steve and Jim".

    36. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_Shakespeare%27s_name
      >After his death the name was spelled variously by editors of his work and the spelling was not fixed until well into the 20th century.
      >With rare exceptions, the spelling is now standardised in English-speaking countries as "Shakespeare".
      TMYK

    37. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's useless shit like that that really clutters up a culture. I wish desperately that he had produced a single, authoritative text, and burned all of his previous drafts, if only to reduce the world's glut of Shakespearologists. I knew a lady with a shelf full of bibles, and another shelf full of books to help her pick the correctest form and interpretation of each bit of bible. The more obtuse a text becomes, the more legitimate it becomes to "study" it, no matter how pointless the fruits of your study are.

      If books are printed with automatic changes, nerds will buy multiple versions, perform their statistical analyses, and spend valuable years of human life debating which version is the original, which versions reads the best, regardless of originality, wch version is the most "accurate," regardless of readability, and digital archival space will become unnavigable encrusted with, "The Rural Juror - Version 65535," and every other variations, for the sake of completeness.

      It's like the opposite of a compression algorithm. It bloats a cultural artifact beyond all reason, making it less likely to be saved, and saved accurately, for posterity.

    38. Re:Goddammit. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      While flipping through a novel on an e-reader? Really?

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    39. Re:Goddammit. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, a reasonable habit from the days when I used a mechanical typewriter (and still good for monospaced code comments), but occasionally in

      Fixed that for ya. (140 characters).

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    40. Re:Goddammit. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I take it you didn't like Christopher Tolkien's "A History of Middle Earth", then?

    41. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny example to choose. William Shakspere (sic) was so dedicated to this practice that he spelled his own name a dozen different ways.

      And since he personally never, as far as we can tell, actually wrote his plays down, they were conveyed, memorised and shared among the company entirely by word of mouth. Very possibly there were some considerable variations between the versions memorised by different actors.

      And yet they managed, somehow, to make some sort of an impression. I don't suppose there's a playwright alive who wouldn't give their right arm to have one hundredth of the cultural impact of Shakespeare.

      As for the Bible - you're trolling, right? That's the most-changed book in history, it's had more variations and editions than your local telephone directory.

    42. Re:Goddammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_Shakespeare%27s_name

  5. sure by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    It would be so very difficult for someone to write a little program that, when stripping the DRM, randomized a couple of pieces of punctuation to break the hash that the vendor is storing along with the sales record of the individual book.

    In which case they just resort to diff, to remove your hacks and restore the hash.

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    1. Re:sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't you just buy 3 of the same ebook and only use the things that are the same in 2/3rds of the ebooks (automated of course). The pirates that make available tons of things never strike me as the guys that don't have what it takes to get enough matterials to work with. Often getting games before release date, can't be hard for them to get 3 ebook versions.

      If they don't strip everything, it is probably because many of the ebooks have some of the same mistakes in it. So it would still ensure that they can no longer find who did it.

    2. Re:sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In which case they just resort to diff, to remove your hacks and restore the hash.

      Against which particular version of the document are they diffing your hacked version?

    3. Re:sure by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      If the alterations encode who has bought it, then your three copies will likely share that information. Therefore comparing the three copies will not remove it.

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    4. Re:sure by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter. You get the differnce between the files, and replace the errors with the correct text.

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    5. Re:sure by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

      Suppose you have several pirates in different markets with different accounts that all buy the ebook and diff those. If done once, it's really hard to narrow it down to any one of them. If they keep using different accounts for future purchases and add their own alterations to the pirated copy (to confuse the detector), it makes them practically impossible to trace.

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    6. Re:sure by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      And of course all those pirates have to coordinate, and to trust each other (if even a single one is an undercover cop, then the whole group is caught). That's certainly a big step from a lonely pirate breaking a DRM or watermarking scheme in his basement.

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  6. 1st Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First base!

  7. Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So when someone steals your files and uploads your ebook to the web you become a criminal?

    Stupid idea.

    1. Re:Waste of time by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      No, you become a suspect. To become a criminal you need to at least provide reasonable doubt - like evidence of your stolen files.

    2. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For the content industry?

      Come on - they need no proof. They are automatically granted the right to fine you with -let's say- $ 187,234,865,213.65 for any book you suppose to have uploaded.

      Don't forget - the content industry get's the best justice money can buy...

    3. Re:Waste of time by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It'd only be a criminal matter if someone tried to get the DMCA anti-circumvention measures or the NET act involved. Your basic copyright infringement is a civil matter, so the burden of proof is lower.

    4. Re:Waste of time by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Give it time. I don't think it'll take long 'til you're fully responsible for what happens with files that you pay for.

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    5. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you do that?
      Unless they delete them afterwards it's not like your files would be gone.

    6. Re:Waste of time by biodata · · Score: 1

      This is wrong. You don't need to provide evidence of reasonable doubt to not be a criminal. The prosecution needs to provide evidence that you are a criminal. The presence online of a copy of a book you bought is not evidence that you are a criminal. The whole idea is full of fail at every level.

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    7. Re:Waste of time by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      I'm mostly ok with the watermarking of the ebook if there is no DRM involved, as it don't limit how/when/where i will use what i bought. But using the watermark to label criminal to someone (and WILL be used that way, knowing the trend even could put you in jail for decades) is dangerous, suddently not having perfect security or privacy becomes a liability, a stolen phone or tablet, a rooted/botnetted/shared pc, not understanding privacy on social networks or just rogue NSA agents could turn into a nightmare ever buying an ebook.

    8. Re:Waste of time by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Yes I got my sentence a bit mixed up. You got the point.

      If I rob your house, and the police find your stuff in my living room - and they know its your stuff because of the serial numbers, is that not evidence to prove I robbed you?

    9. Re:Waste of time by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Wilful and for profit copyright violations can be prosecuted.
      Its been that way in USA since the 1897.

    10. Re:Waste of time by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The NET act made it even easier. It makes all commercial electronic copyright infringement criminal - but defines commercial as including an expectation of receiving infringing works in return. So basically, p2p.

    11. Re:Waste of time by biodata · · Score: 1

      Well... assuming that your stuff isn't in your living room anymore, and that the serial numbers are unique, then it seems I have a case to answer. This case seems more like your stuff is still in your living room, and there is also a photo of your stuff in my garden, I think the onus would be on you to prove that I took a photo of your stuff and left it in my garden.

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    12. Re:Waste of time by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      If I prove you took a photo of my stuff that I created and you distributed that photo, if you're in the USA you've just committed copyright infringement.
      If I can prove you done so with the expectation of profiting from the photo or the distribution of it, you're up for a criminal prosecution.

  8. So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by robbak · · Score: 1

    This is so very easy to deal with. Rip at least 3 copies and diff them. The minor tweaks will stand out a mile, and you then have a clean copy you can (and, if they start pulling tricks like this, Should!) distribute widely.

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    1. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, it'd be trivial to write a program that would take 3 dirty copies and return a clean one.

    2. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by kayoshiii · · Score: 1

      I guess that way at least they sell three copies.

    3. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by xQx · · Score: 1

      Yup, it'd be trivial to write a program that would take 3 dirty copies and return a clean one.



      So, if I give the program 3 copies of "50 shades of grey" it would return a version that is safe for my kids to read?
    4. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That tripe isn't safe for anyone to read. It's terrible writing.

    5. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      That task is easy. There's even a command for this provided in your operating system. Depending on which OS you run, it's either rm or del.

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    6. Re: So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by Therad · · Score: 1

      no, but if you rip out the pages, it should be fine.

    7. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it would delete the file and download Venus in Furs.

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    8. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by j-beda · · Score: 1

      <quote><p>Yup, it'd be trivial to write a program that would take 3 dirty copies and return a clean one.</p></quote>

      So, if I give the program 3 copies of "50 shades of grey" it would return a version that is safe for my kids to read?

      50? Go with 50 Thousand!

      http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Thousand-Shades-Of-Grey-Ashen/dp/1479215430

      The "look inside" first few pages are particularly droll.

    9. Re:So, rip 3 copies of the ebook and diff them. by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      My kids got me the copy...

  9. Just diff 2 copies by JLennox · · Score: 1

    You don't know what punctuation their algorithm cares about. The summary's method would not work.

    Diff 2 copies and randomize the selection between the two.

    1. Re:Just diff 2 copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the really isn't even a need to diff them. You could simply take every other page from each book and stitch them together.

  10. Article in case of slashdotting by bit+trollent · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next e-book you buy might not exactly match the printed version. And those changes are there to make sure youâ(TM)re not a pirate.

    German researchers have created a new DRM feature that changes the text and punctuation of an e-book ever so slightly. Called SoDoMy, which Google translates to âoesecure documents by individual fornicating,â the changes are unique to each e-book sold. These alterations serve as a digital penis that can be used to track books that have had any other DRM dildoes stripped out of them before being shared online. The researchers are hoping the new DRM feature will inspire butt piracy by simply making consumers paranoid that theyâ(TM)ll be caught if they share an e-book illicitly.

    Current e-book DRM restricts the movement of cocks between broes and hoes and ties a cock to a single accountant. A e-book bought in the Fondle bookstore, for example, will only work on a Faggot. The same is true for books bought in the Butts & Plugs and iButts digital bookstores â" theyâ(TM)ll only work on the Nook or Apple devices, respectively. This makes publishers happy because their books are locked to one person. And it makes digital book vendors happy because it keeps readers tied to their proprietary devices and ecosystems.

    But stripping the DRM from any of the e-books purchased at the big-name stores is as easy as downloading strap-on, and thereâ(TM)s little special genetalia required beyond knowing how to properly connect a penis to an asshole. These cocks usually convert the CUM-heavy e-cocks to a new climax, such as the open-source E-Pub standard, or to the STD-less version of the Kindleâ(TM)s fuck format. From there, the relatively small penises of asians make them perfect for sharing on the Internet.

    Of course, readers may not be happy knowing that their licensed e-books are being altered because democrats and republicans donâ(TM)t trust them. By studying a list of example words and phrases that could be changed in purchased books, you can see that the changes are minor â" like from âoevery gayâ to âoenot that gay, actually.â The examples are translated from German pornography, so itâ(TM)s difficult to gauge how profound the changes will be when they occur in your favorite Harry Potter scat film. Itâ(TM)s also unknown if the top U.S. bookstores are interested in more sodomy.

    The SoDoMy consortium currently has two German bookselling partners (4Readers and MVB) that it reports to, according to Dr. Martin felchbach, a researchers working on the SoDoMy system whom I reached over email. Democrats & Republicans and Amazon did not reply to queries about if or when the technology would make its way into their digital bookstores as of press time.

    1. Re:Article in case of slashdotting by Forget4it · · Score: 1

      Okay is the "youÃ(TM)re" the intentional typo in your "piracy" of that article?

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    2. Re:Article in case of slashdotting by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Called SoDoMy

      Great marketing. Imagine ... "Our copies of the bible are protected with SoDoMy ..." — I doubt that edition will sell well. ;-)

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    3. Re:Article in case of slashdotting by chromas · · Score: 1

      It pops up occasionally on Slashdot but usually nobody says anything. I wonder if they're using IE and it's converting quotes and apostrophes to Smart Quotes (and Apostrophes), giving /. indigestion.

    4. Re:Article in case of slashdotting by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The article probably has a curled quote. Copying and pasting will not modify the characters.

    5. Re:Article in case of slashdotting by Megane · · Score: 1

      That's his DRM to track post pirates. You will now be hearing from his lawyers about your unauthorized copying of his word.

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  11. actually stolen by RedHackTea · · Score: 1

    Wonder if the eBook was actually stolen from your computer? Either by a friend that has physical access to your computer or in the rare case of a hacker (but who would hack you for eBooks)? Surely, you can't be held reliable for this. Then everyone that actually pirates eBooks and gets caught will just use this excuse as a way to get out of trouble. Else, if you are still held responsible for a stolen eBook from your machine/USB, then it screws over the legitimate users buying eBooks and makes them want to actually pirate... a deadly cycle.

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    1. Re:actually stolen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted to put together a collection of e-textbooks, where having the up-to-date version is always a challenge and the older version is near useless for following lectures, I'd target .edu email addresses with a trojan. I'm sure others have already done this kind of thing. Just write a little search to find e-books and into the payload it goes.

  12. That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by _Knots · · Score: 5, Informative

    They don't hash the whole shebang into one number. Rather, they take a (random) number and use that to generate a set of mutations and then probe for that set of mutations in the leaked document. So now, even if you alter the document further, you probably didn't undo the mutations in question. Even if you did, you probably didn't undo all of them and you almost certainly didn't produce a high-confidence result that it's somebody else's copy.

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    1. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well if you seriously want to get around this, you need two accounts. Take two documents diff them and remove and/or correct what you see.

    2. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would actually be quite interesting to obtain several different copies of the book and write a program that generates the original master copy, by simply picking the most common variations. I do wonder if there's more to it than that.

    3. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That assumes that you're altering the document by hand, and that a large number of the participants are unable to pool their diffs to arrive at a workable set of the discrepancies.

      If they make the punishment for leaking copies too slack, you invite geeks to pool together directly and break the DRM, for fun and/or profit.

      If you make it too harsh, non-geeks will invite geeks to help them break the DRM so that they don't have to care about whether or not they lose their stupid ebooks, for fun and most definitely for profit.

    4. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. You need two copies that you randomly combine, then they can't tell whose copy it was, because it was not a single copy, but two, and eveidence points to both of them. The better the more copies you have.

    5. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Solandri · · Score: 1

      That's security through obscurity. It works for music and video, where you can introduce small, regular bit changes without perceptibly altering the music or video. It doesn't work for eBooks, where a single bit change will change the letter or punctuation mark.

      And even if you did introduce a regular, distinctive, and unique pattern of punctuation changes to an eBook, it'd be trivial to compare two of the same eBook and eliminate them or scramble them. The same is not true for music an video, where you can add stenographic marks which can survive re-encoding, but the re-encode makes it impossible to do a simple diff between two copies.

    6. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by dargaud · · Score: 2

      Well if you seriously want to get around this, you need two accounts. Take two documents diff them and remove and/or correct what you see.

      That wouldn't necessarily work. Take a video and introduce a white dot on the lower right corner at 1:13 in one version, and a red dot on the upper right corner at 2:17 on the other. If you average (or scramble the differences) the two, you still end up with a smudge on the lower right corner at 1:13 and another smudge at 2:17, both traceable back to the original videos. You could make it a lot more resilient still by taking a random number, generating a turbo-code for it, and using that to change the file all along. Even if part of the turbo-code is modified, edited or clipped, you can still find the original random value.

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    7. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, the people who are proposing this are probably as least as smart as you, and have probably thought about that problem. Can you imagine how they solved it?

    8. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Video is a poor example. You can't have a half faded-out character. But if you treat the two documents as buckets and take differences from alternating buckets, you end up with a text that has only half the errors of one and half the errors of the other (on average). 50% is probably not a high enough confidence level to identify the original copy/copies. Or, you could throw in a halfway intelligent algorithm to analyze the differences and figure out the "correct" choice and increase your odds of going undetected. The same would apply to video too. A white dot would not match the surrounding pixels and would be selected against by a well-designed algorithm comparing the two versions.

    9. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a better work around would be to start with two copies, compare them and merge the differences (maybe using correct spelling in the process).

    10. Re:That's not how traitor-tracing algorithms work by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      No, if the changes are done at N locations in the work, you need ~(1+epsilon)*log_2(N) accounts and (preferably) someone willing to go to a library somewhere and look up the correct text out of a printed volume, for all of the N locations (which you find by comparing all of the works).

  13. The new black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typos and grammar errors. The new DRM.

    It's like my Dad's suit. He has only one, and every 5 years or so he's at the cutting edge of fashion.

    This p0st has been wa1ermarked to pre\/ent theft. The changes will not @ffect your reading enj()yment.

    1. Re:The new black by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Wel, ad leest wee nou ann exxcuse hav four ourr speling annd grammer erors. ;-)

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    2. Re:The new black by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Early printers used the letter 'e' to justify lines. Thus "Queen" and "Queene"

    3. Re:The new black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Interesting

  14. Similar to something Amazon patented by dido · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was an article about it here a few years ago. A followup someone made to a comment I wrote to the article mentions some work being done by some guy from Purdue that sounds a lot like what's being done here. IBM also seems to be doing work on canary trap-based ideas.

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  15. What does this actually prove? by XaXXon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is accidentally leaving a copy somewhere copyright infringement? How do they know the person they sold it to is the person who leaked it.

    Also, it's never been clear to me when copyright infringement actually occurs.

    1. Re:What does this actually prove? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      that was my though i often have ebooks on a usb drive and i often loan usb drives to classmate when they forget theirs and need to move a file between their laptop and the the school workstations, what if one of them were to see my ebook and copy it.

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    2. Re:What does this actually prove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do they know the person they sold it to is the person who leaked it.

      They don't, but the person they sold it to is a starting point.

      Example 1: If it got leaked because you lent a usb drive with the file to someone, then they'll investigate everyone you lent it to.
      Example 2: If someone stole your device on the street, that narrows the search to one city. They might find a security camera recording of the incident, identify the thief, and continue investigating until they locate the leaker.

    3. Re:What does this actually prove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much CSI did you watch to come up with example 2? It's about as plausible as enhancing reflections in victim's eyes on CCTV footage to find the killer.

      PS: It's not that I find whole concept of "somebody found a flashdrive and instead of quickly scanning it for nude pics and formatting, decided to risk criminal prosecution for copyright infringement" any more plausible than that

    4. Re:What does this actually prove? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      There are no feasible need for having an eBook on a memory stick. You can access it on your phone, computer, Kindle etc without one, and you can re-download it at any time, so the only reason to have it on there is for unlicensed use / sharing.

      N.B. I don't agree with this, it's just the opinion they will hold. You will be deemed liable.

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    5. Re:What does this actually prove? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Does accidentally leaving your car unlocked make you liable for theft of its contents? It's a ToS violation at the least, and just like the insurer not paying out for your stolen car stereo the eBook rights holder will ban you.

      Did you expect it do be any other way? Seriously?

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    6. Re:What does this actually prove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just needs one virus that's written to upload any ebooks on your system to somewhere else, and bang plausible deniability for everybody.

    7. Re:What does this actually prove? by biodata · · Score: 1

      Or, 'I didn't share it, maybe it was stolen by hackers or viruses'.

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    8. Re:What does this actually prove? by biodata · · Score: 1

      So the purpose of this device is to make it easier for book sellers to lose customers by banning them? Sounds really great! I'm sure book sellers are queuing round the block to buy it.

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    9. Re:What does this actually prove? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      As best as I can tell, the purpose of this device is to make it easier for book sellers to lose customers by introducing errors into the carefully constructed and edited text presented to them by the author, making the reading experience painful and disappointing. I've commented elsewhere about not touching my Kindle for two months because I was so infuriated by numerous typographical errors in pretty much every ebook I have. I put it down to sloppy conversion from the text, but soon realised that the sort of errors cropping up would be picked up by even the laziest of automatic checking done by a word processing package.

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    10. Re:What does this actually prove? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      We still have desktop and laptop computers that use USB to store/read data. If that's where I store my ebooks so that they can be read on whatever computer I happen to be using, is that unlicense use?

    11. Re:What does this actually prove? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Why not check the license?

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    12. Re:What does this actually prove? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      The answer is, it is not unlicensed use. Which means your assertion that the only reason to have it on a USB drive is for unlicensed use is incorrect.

  16. Learn by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or, you know, maybe learn from the success of Apple iTunes and start selling eBooks for a reasonable cost and maybe they won't be pirated nearly as much. I know that the publishing process costs money that you deserve to recoup, and you deserve to make a profit, but it is offensive to charge as much as (or more) than a physical book for an eBook.

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    1. Re:Learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, maybe learn from the success of Apple iTunes and start selling eBooks for a reasonable cost

      Funny how Apple iTunes didn't help the ebook market, isn't it?

    2. Re:Learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting maximizing the cost vs demand curve!? That's not how dyeing industries work. You and your crazy thoughts....pfft.

    3. Re:Learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the same Apple who is currently in legal hot water for conspiring to set high book prices?

      Good call!

    4. Re:Learn by Macgrrl · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's not how dyeing industries work.

      You negative attitude is colouring your response.

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    5. Re:Learn by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You mean, like, selling what the customer WANTS to buy?

      C'mon, that's never gonna fly, that sounds almost like communism. Or something. Hell, it sure ain't the content market I know!

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    6. Re:Learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because Apple's actions regarding ebooks completely negates OP's comparison to how music was handled.

  17. Great trick to remove the watermark by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    - Scan/OCR book
    - Google translate into German
    - Google translate back into English
    - Print book

    Voila! No more watermark. You can share with confidence.

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    1. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you can barely read it now.

    2. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by xQx · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes, so:

      "They sat by the kitchen table and discussed the morning's news"

      English-German-English becomes:

      They all sat around the large rectangular lump of wood suspended by four vertical pillars and held a multidirectional conversation regarding that day before noon which owned its events.

      Or English-Mandarin-English becomes:

      Sat in Kitchen by table discussed news of morning. ...

      What could possibly go wrong?

    3. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Erh... this is maybe a good moment to inform you of a pastime that we tend to partake in when we are REALLY bored.

      1. Take a famous quote, some song lyrics or any kind of text that the average person should know.
      2. Open Google Translate. Pick 5 languages, no two may be from the same language family (it's generally safe to choose from different continents, ignoring the Americas).
      3. Chain translate the text. Use the output of one language as the input for the next.
      4. Translate the final result back to English.
      5. Post the result and have people guess what the original text was.

      It is usually kinda legible if you have a hunch what might have been the original text, but in general it's an adventure in cryptography.

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    4. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or English-Soviet Russian-English:

      Morning news discussed them by the kitchen table.

    5. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enlish>german>english becomes this:

      She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news

    6. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Kiwikwi · · Score: 1

      So, instead of making up a translation, why not try it out?

      They sat by the kitchen table and discussed the morning's news

      becomes

      She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news

      or

      They sat on the kitchen table to discuss the morning's news

      which are arguably much worse...

    7. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      It's been done (albeit by way of Japanese rather than German)! :)

      - Know the scan
      - English translations
      - Google OCR translations
      - Germany Google login!

      Watermarks, or better yet none of it. Share a confidence.

      http://translationparty.com/

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    8. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Write in English
      Translate to American
      Translate to Chinese (any dialect)
      Translate to English

      Voila! No more book!

    9. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actual translation.

      English-German-English:

      She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news

      English-Mandarin-English:

      They sat on the kitchen table to discuss the morning's news

    10. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Lithdren · · Score: 1

      Results I got were quite a bit different.

      "She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news"

      Didn't see Mandarin as an option, but Yiddish was an interesting result.

      "They Sat by the kitchen table and discussed the morning's news" I guess "sat" is a proper noun in yiddish or something. :)

    11. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For English->German->English, that sentence actually turns into "She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news". That's because Sie means both they and her in German, so the context is erased in German. A human translator could have done the same thing if not given any context for the sentence.

    12. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it ends up like that:

      "She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news"

      Google translate got better, but still... not quite there yet, right? :)

    13. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I do the English-German-English, I get:

      "She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed in the morning the news."

      The "she" crept in during the first English->German translation. To be honest, I'm actually quite amazed how well Google translate works - I remember many years ago when this would have turned into complete gibberish, instead of merely getting the meaning wrong.

    14. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actual English-German-English:

      She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news

      Actual English-Mandarin-English:

      They sat on the kitchen table to discuss the morning's news

    15. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Using google translate for German I got: She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed in the morning the news.
      For "chinese-simplified" They sat at the kitchen table and discuss the morning's news
      For chinese-traditionsl: They sat on the kitchen table to discuss the morning's news

    16. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you're selling it wrong. It's not a problem, it's a feature:

      For people who like detailed books (ie., the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy) read the EN->DE->EN version.

      For people who like the tl;dr version, read the EN->CN->EN version.

    17. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enlish>german>english becomes this:

      She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news

      Nononono. It comes out as; Do you want to touch my monkey? She sat on my lap and played with my monkey.

    18. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear there is an operation that will restore your sense of humor.

    19. Re:Great trick to remove the watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She sat down at the kitchen table and discussed the morning news" (pronoun change, annoying) and "They sat on the kitchen table to discuss the morning's news" (weird position change), actually, but don't let the facts get in the way of your point.

  18. as a software programmer... by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    Who says it's a hash? Just add one extra space somewhere in the book in an unusual place or replace an apostrophe with a similar character or something. Then if someone adds something else, you're still checking for that one single location of the alteration to prove it's them. It'd be awfully unlikely in a long book that you'd replicate the exact alteration that they made to someone else's book, thus appearing to be 2 different people.

    1. Re:as a software programmer... by RedHackTea · · Score: 1

      Can't pirates just write a script to fix all spaces and punctuation and spelling mistakes? Grammar mistakes would be the hardest or if a word is "misspelled" into an actual word (like spelling "too much" as "to much" or "two much"). I think fixing spaces/apostrophes/etc. would be the easiest.

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    2. Re:as a software programmer... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well just do a proof reading. fix the words to be the right words.

      what they are doing is DEGRADING their product to scare actual customers. that's real fine work right there!

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  19. Done already by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Don't they do this to pre-release screenings and theatre viewings of movies to find out who done the leak or who let the video camera into the theatre?

    1. Re:Done already by Anarchduke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, which is why they have successfully stamped out piracy, it is part of the sordid past of the Internet. Thank god we'll never see pirated e-books again.

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    2. Re:Done already by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      That just targets the theaters where the offending recording is made, not the person making the recording. All it does is making theaters more vigilant against people smuggling in cameras.

      And then I don't get the point of those cam rips. I've downloaded a few, but didn't get further than five minutes into the movie as the quality is so terrible. Low res, poor sound - just not watchable.

    3. Re:Done already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 LOL!!!
      If only I had modpoints.

  20. So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

    If the content of a book--what is thought up and written by a human--is what is traditionally copyrighted, then what exactly are they copyrighting in this case? Obviously the content is "written" by the writer and then published in an electronic book format similarly to how it would be printed on pages and made into a physical book, but if that content is automatically tampered with by machines it is no longer what the author wrote. How would copyright work in this case? Hundreds of copyrights of individual "variations" of the same exact book? Sounds like a fucking mess. And that's not to say how irritating it would be to know that you are, in fact, not getting exactly what the author wrote. Not to mention the fact that you're not getting ownership of it while still paying for it.

    1. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      No issue there. Changing a few letters in Harry Potter doesn't make it your work, either. Under copyright, copies don't have to be exact (otherwise taping a song from radio would never have been an issue), it has to be very similar. Likewise a band playing covers of another band: they're different, some notes are wrong, rhythms are slightly off, yet it's still the same song.

      Furthermore it's fully legal to get inspiration from someone else's work - and use elements of copyrighted works in your own works. You just have to make sure it is obviously a different work.

    2. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

      Ah, I see--that clears it up well. I still think the idea of altering the writer's words and punctuation in the name of piracy is going too far though.

    3. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but that's a whole different issue.

    4. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by The+Cat · · Score: 1

      The new version is a derivative work: only a copyright owner can prepare a derivative work under U.S. law.

      IANAL

    5. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, for example correct capitalization can easily alter the meaning completely. Take this sentence for example.

      "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse".

      Now imagine this sentence without proper capitalization and how the meaning changes instantly. If DRM strikes here, what could well be a very child suitable book on how to help your elders may easily become something that you might not want your kids to read!

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    6. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      LMFAO! Very good point. That was hilarious.

    7. Re:So, uh... what are they copyrighting then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      correct capitalization can easily alter the meaning completely.

      And correct punctuation can save lives

      "Lets eat Grandma!"
      "Lets eat, Grandma!"

  21. This will just lead to more theft, from consumers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With this system I become a target for anyone who wants to steal my ebooks so that they can circulate them and have me take the fall for it, and they can find that I have lots of ebooks to steal if I also like to do online reviews or recommendations.

  22. Calibre by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    While I haven't tried on any DRM'd ebooks, Calibre's converters have to options to play with all kinds of spacing and punctuation during conversion (smart punctuation, transliterate unicode to ascii). I've used them when converting text documents and saved web pages to epub, and they make very nice ebooks. I have a hard time believing that this kind of steganography would survive such a reformatting, but I guess we'll hear about it eventually if it does.

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  23. strip by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It depends. If it's done well, it can be fairly resistant to any noise introduced into the system.

    As an author myself, I see a very different issue with this. I don't want some robot changing my text. Some of those words it might decide to change because they are similar I may have pained over and decided for a reason to use this one and not the other one. Granted, few authors pick every single word intentionally, but the software won't know which ones are carefully selected.

    Often times, there is subtle meaning. For example, I might decide to always use the same phrase in certain contexts, giving a very subtle hint to the reader which things are alike and which ones are different. One he might not even notice consciously.

    It also will cause all sorts of trouble to quoting. How will teachers handle this if a student quotes a text but the quote differs slightly from the version the teacher has read? One of the most important things we teach students is that quotes need to be exactly as they appear, with any omissions or changes clearly marked.

    That also extends to quotes within the text. If character A reports what character B said, I doubt the system will have enough text understanding to change both texts the same way, so the reader will be left wondering if it is intentional that there's a slight difference and what the author wants to hint at, when there's no such thing implied.

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    1. Re:strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to actually change words, and they probably won't for all the reasons you cited. Rather they will do things like alter the number of spaces (singer or double) after a sentence - an astute reader might notice it, but it really doesn't change the content in any meaningful way.

    2. Re:strip by celle · · Score: 1

      "It also will cause all sorts of trouble to quoting. How will teachers handle this if a student quotes a text but the quote differs slightly from the version the teacher has read? One of the most important things we teach students is that quotes need to be exactly as they appear, with any omissions or changes clearly marked."

            What makes you think students haven't already gotten in trouble over this? I see lawsuits on the horizon for colleges who kicked out students that this crap caused. Something about false accusations.

    3. Re:strip by Tom · · Score: 1

      You don't need to actually change words, and they probably won't for all the reasons you cited.

      RTFA. Changing words and phrases is exactly what this is about.

      Whitespace is trivial to "fix". There's only one correct way to do it (one space), so a script to correct all of it (removing the watermark) would be an hour of work, tops.

      Changing meaningful whitespace, i.e. linebreaks into spaces or vice-versa runs into the same problem I outlined. As an author, I actually make a choice there and there's a reason for where I start a new line or paragraph.

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    4. Re:strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, becayse thiy sye the stydent for illegal copuing

    5. Re:strip by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can feel your pain, I, too, write (don't worry, my language of choice is not English). And I usually pick the words I use carefully and with reason. There are minimal but very important differences and my readers usually enjoy my choice of words because that choice by itself often has a meaning.

      In this particular case I don't think that the robot would change words for ones of similar meaning like a badly done thesaurus on steroids. Rather, I'd expect them to add blanks (like, say, putting down two or three spaces between words instead of the usual one), omit a period at the end of a paragraph (where the average reader would probably not even miss it) or introduce subtle spelling mistakes (which is more easily done in languages that use diacritics with minimal impact on word spelling). My bet would be on the introduction of trailing whitespace characters or similar "invisible" things that the average reader would most likely not even notice.

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    6. Re:strip by locofungus · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of that Oscar Wilde joke.

      Wilde comes down to lunch.
      "Written another chapter of your book Oscar?"
      "No. I spent this morning putting in a comma"

      Wilde comes down to dinner.
      Sarcastically, "Put another comma into your book Oscar?"
      "No! I took out the comma I put in this morning."

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    7. Re:strip by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Who said you may still quote in the future? A reference has to do, most likely.

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    8. Re:strip by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, you're right. That's pretty insane if you ask me. Not every word is a suitable substitute of another one in every situation. I'd rather endure someone copying my book than someone altering it and claiming it's from me.

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    9. Re:strip by Tom · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the robot would change words for ones of similar meaning like a badly done thesaurus on steroids.

      That is exactly what it does. The article with the examples is in german, which is my native language. There are examples where it changes linebreaks to spaces and such, but most of the examples actually do change words.

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    10. Re:strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could cooperate with the author. He would simply name them 30-100 passages and how they could be altered.
      Still it suffers from the general problem of watermarking: It's kind of perverse to go after those, who actually bought the stuff.

    11. Re:strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ideally, the system would let you decide what things to change. So you'd decide on 100 places in your book where one word is as good as another word, or where an "unsafe" can be replaced by "not safe" and things like that. Just make sure those 100 places don't really matter all that much, so no one is going to be likely to quote them. Possibly the system could suggest places to you and you just have to make a yes/no decision, so it would be a quick thing to do.

    12. Re:strip by Huge_UID · · Score: 1

      Often times, there is subtle meaning. For example, I might decide to always use the same phrase in certain contexts, giving a very subtle hint to the reader which things are alike and which ones are different. One he might not even notice consciously.

      "you are in a maze of twisty passages"?

  24. Amazon Kindle Books by Russ1642 · · Score: 2

    I'm going to stop sending every typo and punctuation mistake I catch to Amazon. I thought I was helping.

    1. Re:Amazon Kindle Books by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I've just realised why I've not touched my Kindle in over two months. I remember being too irritated by the poor quality of editing in eBooks, and put it down to Amazon farming out the work to minimum wage interns or leaving it to text-recognition software. I stopped buying eBooks and went back to paperbacks.

      There is nothing so sharp as the jolt back to reality when, midway through a tense scene, bad grammar or punctuation means I have to re-read a sentence several times. They might has well have stamped on my foot, or set off a fire alarm. In the back of my mind I keep thinking over about fucking stupid mistake, like a comma after a space, and how irritating it was. I have to stop reading, because I'm just not in the book anymore.

      If this is DRM, it's costing eBook publishers sales.

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    2. Re:Amazon Kindle Books by kermidge · · Score: 2

      Funny you should bring this up. Read an ebook a few weeks back, a decent sci-fi novel (novella, morelike, given word count) and had run into enough typos that it had in some places seriously disrupted the reading flow. (Often the mind will correct or elide over the error while in hot pursuit of a scene, other times it's like tripping over a pebble on the path, and some few times it's more a full stop and restart.)

      I wrote the author, asking if he'd maybe like some free help to catch the stupidly simple stuff. He wrote back that he didn't see a problem. Which left me with a big case of WTF.

      Apparently I've been spoiled by several generations and more of real writers, real proofreaders and real editors. Real = take their jobs seriously and give a shit about what they do. Now we've a publication landscape populated by semi-literates who routinely get paid for being lazy. It's gotten bad enough that I recently wrote a blogger who had explained something in clear, well-written prose to thank her for a pleasant reading experience.

      What is discussed in the submission is at best lame.

    3. Re:Amazon Kindle Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been a long slow slide into oblivion, but the trend is quite noticeably downward. Editors as early as the 1970s wouldn't catch all spelling mistakes, but that was rare, and usually confined to the cheapest of cheap paperback imprints. By the 1980s, the rot had spread throughout the paperback industry, and by the 1990s, it had crept into hardcovers. Now, with modern printing taking the text for the hardcover and soft cover versions from the same digital copy, the editions are equal, and equally bad, with spelling errors, grammatical disasters, and plain sloppy writing.

      It's sad.

  25. It's understandable by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    After all, we saw how quickly the iTunes Store withered and died after the DRM got removed from all that music. It'd be crazy for the publishers NOT to double down on DRM!

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  26. easy solution by period3 · · Score: 1

    So just remove all punctuation STOP Like old telegrams STOP Problem solved STOP

  27. old technology! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Map makers have done this forever.

  28. Future Confrontation by sehlat · · Score: 1

    "You're under arrest for possession of a pirated copy of "Megasuper Blockbuster."

    "How do you know it's pirated?"

    "There are no spelling or punctuation errors in it!"

    1. Re:Future Confrontation by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Possession?

      The way I looked, it is the uploading and downloading that may enter under the incidence of copyright law (upload infringes on the "distribution rights" while download infringes the "reproduction rights"). In some countries, the download is actually legal (as long it's not for profit)

      Possession? I can imagine heaps of ways in which one can be in the possession of a digital copy without be necessarily responsible for copyright infringement.
      Imagine someone places a bootlegged copy on the shelves of a movie rental store or in a library. Are these institutions to be held liable for that?
      Assume one pays for a genuine fashion item but is delivered a good counterfeit (only an expert could tell the difference): is the buyer to be held liable for that?

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    2. Re:Future Confrontation by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Assume one pays for a genuine fashion item but is delivered a good counterfeit (only an expert could tell the difference): is the buyer to be held liable for that?

      Believe it or not I read about a similar law being proposed in New York City.

  29. Should be easy to defeat by AaronW · · Score: 1

    It should be fairly easy to defeat. All someone needs is several different copies of the book and do a comparison. It should be easy to spot what has changed and then undo them.

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  30. OCR scan hardcopy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A good bit more work but someone could scan a hardcopy version of the book. Since hardcover books can be purchased with good ole fashioned cash, good luck tracking that.

    1. Re:OCR scan hardcopy by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Scan, or if they're really dedicated, copy longhand.

  31. This idea is as new as my grandma by Stonefish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There were printers in areas with classifed documents which automatically used to do this. They worked with whitespace, fonts and punctuation. Photocopies of the documents could still be tracked. Great work guys you deserve a badge.
    Amazon will be able to close the loop by automatically downloading the books that you have on your kindle to "check" that you don't infringe and stomp on those badguys.

    1. Re:This idea is as new as my grandma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same technique has been used for at least a decade by the various subtitle download websites, as a mean to track down users who re-distribute content.
      So it's definitely not new...

  32. Re:Defeated in one...two... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought that virus that I cleaned off my system seemed to make my internet access sluggish. Well what you know - it must have downloaded a copy of all my files!

  33. Obfustication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same technology could be used to create your very own, one of a kind, document that's untraceable to anyone else.

  34. So obviously by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    After you run a couple of copies through to strip this DRM, you need to add your own back in so their DRM verifier will translate it to, "I bet you thought this technique was clever, you fucking git."

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  35. You catch the buyer. by stanlyb · · Score: 1

    So what? What that does prove? That someone (maybe the one who bought the book, maybe not) took this book and shared it???
    I still don't see how based on such a funny "watermark" they this could stand in the court. Anyone? Can you prove me wrong?

    1. Re:You catch the buyer. by coId+fjord · · Score: 1

      You don't think these companies actually care whether or not the amount of evidence they have proves anything, do you?

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    2. Re:You catch the buyer. by turp182 · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be criminal court, it would be civil court where the burden of proof is much lower. More than likely it would never reach a court room, there would be a settlement demand and then negotiations. This approach (massive settlement demand operations) started with satellite pirates, then eventually moved into music and movies, and, apparently now books.

      If the work was materially changed, in that characters or punctuation were altered, one could potentially argue that they didn't receive the original work. But probably not as their copy would still be over 99% the same as the original (or 99.999% the same for a Stephen King or George R. R. Martin novels given their length...).

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    3. Re:You catch the buyer. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      So what? What that does prove? That someone (maybe the one who bought the book, maybe not) took this book and shared it??? I still don't see how based on such a funny "watermark" they this could stand in the court. Anyone? Can you prove me wrong?

      Are you willing to try it? In a civil court, I'm quite sure that "this is the exact copy of the book that was sold to X" will stand up in court. And if you were found to have that copy, and you are not X, then this will be enough evidence that you have an illegal copy, unless you can get X to testify that they sold it to you.

      On the other hand, if you are X and your copy of the book was available for download on the internet, you'd also have to have some pretty good excuse. Saying "I gave only one copy to Y and he swore he would delete it after reading it and I'm really sorry" might be a good enough excuse and put the onus on the other person.

  36. chinese ebook pub qidian.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    chinese ebook pub qidian.com had used this technique for pass few years without any success. The pirate just compares multiple version of some book and auto replace the differ words with their synonyms.

    1. Re:chinese ebook pub qidian.com by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      As you're talking about China, are you talking about pirates that are commercial businesses reselling those works? Or just individuals that like to share their stuff with friends and friends of friends?

  37. will be quickly cracked by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Just two copies of a book are probably enough to learn how to break the system, and a few more to know how to rig the text to target a particular poor schmuk.

    1. Re:will be quickly cracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, it seems like all you need to crack this "DRM" is a couple of copies of the book.

      If the changes are at some set of fixed points in the book, you are likely to discover half of those points from just 2 books. If you then just rewrite those points slightly, that should introduce plenty of uncertainty. With more copies, you can introduce even more uncertainty. :)

      If the changes are at random points of the book and those points do not correspond with those of other copies of the book, then you should be able to pick up all changed points from just 2 copies of the book. And with 3 copies of the book, you can know with reasonable certainty which version of the text is the "original".

      Or maybe the researchers did something really smart. :)

      - Jasper A. Visser

    2. Re:will be quickly cracked by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Just two copies of a book are probably enough to learn how to break the system, and a few more to know how to rig the text to target a particular poor schmuk.

      At least all the pirates will be buying multiple copies!

  38. Decades? Try centuries... by dbc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Shortly after the moveable type press got going in Europe, books of tables of interest rates were popular among the merchants. Of course, they all had to be laboriously hand calculated by mathematicians (long division was college undergraduate math in those days...). Publishers would sprinkle errors into the least signficant digits on various entries to use as evidence in copyright cases. Because, you know, if you had a printing press, you could make good money by pirating somebody else's table of interest rates.

    1. Re:Decades? Try centuries... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The difference is maybe that the same publishers that earlier benefited from piracy are now the ones that fight it.

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  39. I will pay cash and share the fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of it.

  40. That explains it! by dbIII · · Score: 1

    So that explains why the paid for ebooks of older texts have a pile of annoying mistakes while the Project Gutenberg version doesn't. I'd thought it was just publishers being sloppy and having very little respect for their customers, but at least now I know it's because they have even less respect for their customers and think their customers are thieves that want to "steal" the older books the publishers are not paying any royalties on.

    Enough ranting at the big guys who are going for maximum dollar extraction from public domain stuff - anyone know how small publishers are coping with ebooks? Is it giving them more of a chance since distribution can be done on the net or are Amazon, Kobo etc locking them out? There were a lot of areas, such as non-US/UK science fiction, where publishers would have trouble finding more than half a dozen shops that would sell their stuff.

    1. Re:That explains it! by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      All the more reason to pirate them. Why pay for something intentionally made defective?

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  41. Arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a little program that, when stripping the DRM, randomized a couple of pieces of punctuation to break the hash that the vendor is storing along with the sales record of the individual book."

    There called crackers, and they will find the original software and rewrite it or find a way to to use it to get the books to add the imperfections to make it appear DRM enabled, or programmers, the list goes on, as to those willing and able to figure it out relatively quick.

  42. Opposite day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now, the pirates have a larger share of the "lending market", due to casual lenders no longer wanting the risk. This makes sharing material more lucrative to the pirates.

    Feel free to correct my grammer and reshare this.

  43. Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always assumed that even DRM free MP3s were going to have watermarks that would land you in legal trouble if the files got away from you no matter how innocently. I guess I was just paranoid enough. Different media, same shenanigans.

    I listen to lots of music. Haven't purchased a song since about 2003 (I did regularly BEFORE the MP3 lawsuits). Thumbs up big media!!!

  44. What about stolen phones? by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 2

    So if my phone gets stolen and my eBooks get leaked, I'm now double screwed?

    1. Re:What about stolen phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get screwed when you buy DRM'd books.

  45. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think you read the article. They are actually changing the words. There is a link to a list of examples.However it is in German, so I'll forgive you for not reading it.

    better article

    http://torrentfreak.com/new-drm-changes-text-of-ebooks-to-catch-pirates-130616/

    Yes it is going to change the content, in meaningful ways. This is writing. Imagine if they said a computer algorithm was going to change some of the words in a movie, or in a song, and also the background music, and maybe a setting or two. So that every movie or music video or song was uniquely identified. You'd have every actor, singer, songwriter, musician, director, videographer, script writer, etc up in arms about it. This is awful, completely wrong way to go about things.

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could be the solution to software piracy too, just flip a few random bits in each copy. What could possibly go wrong?

  46. Some systems MUST be 100% fool-proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This idea is a cretinous waste of time. To stop piracy (actually impossible), your idea must work 100% of the time. Book piracy is NOT proportional to the numbers of different copies of a given book that leaks. All it takes is for one copy to enter the pirate chain, and it's 'GAME OVER'.

    We see the same issue with CAM film piracy, or piracy from the water-marked copies of films sent out to Oscar voters. Both continue unabated.

    Don't want your IP pirated? Ensure it is so crap and little used, no-one can be bothered. Of course, the irony here is that piracy usually helps the prospect of otherwise excessively obscure material that no-one would normally give a second glance to.

    The book companies that seem to fall prey to crap schemes like the one in the article are those that 'publish' the terrible soft-porn vampire, werewolves, etc 'romance' novels. One might think their turn-over of this junk was such that piracy was the least of their issues- surely long before one of these stories has been well pirated, the next is already rolling off the electronic 'printing-press'?

    Sane companies don't worry about piracy, but about pleasing their legitimate and prospective customers. They recognise those with disposable incomes actually enjoy buying stuff that feeds their interests.

    PS the scheme described is also very offensive in this way. It assumes the owner of the electronic book has no First Sale Doctrine rights, and thus won't pass on the copy to a friend, or re-sell it. Obviously, if the owner DOES have First Sale Doctrine rights, the watermark is no proof of who was responsible for making a pirate copy in the first place. Thus we learn that piracy is BAD but infringing the rights of the consumer is GOOD?

    1. Re:Some systems MUST be 100% fool-proof by The+Cat · · Score: 1

      Piracy has absolutely zero impact on e-book sales.

      a) 70% of the best-sellers are romance novels. Most pirates are neckbeard fatasses who are afraid of women.

      b) 70% of e-book readers are women. See above.

      You could pirate e-books naked in front of a police station. Nobody would give a shit.

  47. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replace all text in the book with unicode equivalents.

  48. Probably older than your great-grandma by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    I'm told map makers have been doing this forever. They move symbols slightly, change the placing of text and introduce new, insignificant features. All to stop other publishers from copying their maps, or using them as the basis for maps they pass off as their own work

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    1. Re:Probably older than your great-grandma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also in a similar vein, programmers putting Easter Eggs in, sometimes pictures of the development team. You go to court and the judge asks the guy who copied your software and tried to pass it off as his own why there is a picture of you in it.

  49. A wild diff appears ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wild diff buys to copies of the same book. It's super effective.

  50. oh, let's grant them a patent! by stenvar · · Score: 1

    Of course, it's an idea that has been around for ages, even for electronic documents. Of course, it doesn't meet the criteria of patentability or even publishability.

    But, I say, let's give them a patent anyway. I think any dumb idea, and in particular any DRM method, deserves a patent granted exclusively to patent trolls. We should even let them get away with "renewing" it indefinitely by the usual dumb stunts.

  51. Decreasing the value of the paid product again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The researchers are hoping the new DRM feature will curb digital piracy by simply making consumers paranoid that they'll be caught if they share an e-book illicitly.'
     
    The researchers may discover that the fear of getting caught sharing an eBook will cause them to make sure it was someone else's eBook and not buy them in the first place. It makes legally purchasing media a risky proposition. What if someone shares media I bought without my knowledge? What if someone tries to alter theirs before putting it online, and the alterations make it look like it was mine? Seems dangerous to buy legitimately.

    1. Re:Decreasing the value of the paid product again by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This is actually becoming a problem with this. Aside of the usual devaluation of the product by adding DRM to it, any book with this DRM you buy becomes a liability. If, for some odd reason beyond your control, this somehow ends up in someone else's hands, you may suddenly become an unwitting "pirate". Your ebook reader gets stolen and suddenly your ebook gets shared all over the internet. And now prove that you didn't.

      Explain again why the heck I should touch any "legal" ebook with this landmine buried inside with a ten foot pole.

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  52. Great by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    We're not allowed any more to share or give away a book after reading it.

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    1. Re:Great by turp182 · · Score: 1

      If you only shared with friends and family you would never get caught (and even if you were I doubt they would pursue you). The issue is sharing to the public.

      I've shared my physical copy of All My Friends Are Dead with over 50 people (it takes 90 seconds to read, but it is fabulous). I'd have to work to share it with thousands of people (maybe open a library for it...). Online sharing makes it trivial to share to the masses.

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  53. 2 copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy 2 copies with different accounts. Run a diff. Remove or subtly change the differences. Receive anonymity.

  54. Limp by The+Cat · · Score: 1

    If you are going to any trouble to pirate a 99 cent e-book, you need a job.

    1. Re:Limp by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you are going to any trouble to pirate a 99 cent e-book, you need a job.

      For one thing, it's just as illegal as copyright infringement for some people to even have a job.

  55. plus ca change by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

    From what I've seen of the copy editing in ebooks, this has already been happening for some time. Or they're just badly checked. I can't wait to see the first science books coming through with random additions in the equations - that will be helpful.

    1. Re:plus ca change by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      You could try looking at my high school math book.

      Some of the equations in the physics chapter were giving results that were off by as much as 14% from the same equation presented in a physics book, or in Wikipedia.

      Naturally, I was the only guy taking both classes simultaneously, and spent six hours trying to figure out what the hell went wrong that night, skipped all the rest of my homework, and turned in a corrected version of my homework for a 2% score. (I got one question wrong enough, it approximated the answer key!)

  56. You just failed your exam by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    What makes you think Lincoln said "Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new country, dedicated to the proposition that all men are made equal, and conceived in liberty"? Can't you quote correctly?

  57. Too much work by Camael · · Score: 2

    Your solution is plausible, but it would be too much work and expense for the average ripper.

    The idea is not to have an unbreakable DRM scheme, which would be impossible to create anyway but to raise the cost and difficulty of breaking the scheme to dissuade the casual ripper.

    I'm not even sure that the average joe knows how to "use a statistical analysis to blank out the differences". I certainly don't.

    Plus the fact that it doesn't sound like the results they obtain from that exercise is applicable across the board to different books, meaning they need to repeat this process for every single DRMmed book, ad infinitum.

    1. Re:Too much work by ACE209 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ..., but it would be too much work and expense for the average ripper.

      Until someone writes a program for it, so the average ripper only has to push a button.

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    2. Re:Too much work by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Funny

      why just strip out all the punctuation who needs commas full stops and capital letters anyway everything is still perfectly readable

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    3. Re:Too much work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't run a diff on two files? The statistical analysis is just an extension of that, compare multiple files the differences that occur less frequently are most likely a result of this algorithm. But this does indeed make it more of a pain to break because you need to get multiple copies bought by different people to run this analysis, it should still be trivial to automate though.

    4. Re:Too much work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Pilfer Credit Card.

      2) Buy copy of book.

      3) Distribute copy of book bought with pilfered CC all over internet.

      4) Watch someone else chase wind...

    5. Re:Too much work by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Actually you don't even need particles in English:

      "why just strip out all punctuation who needs commas full stops capital letters anyway everything still perfectly readable"

      English can be strange at times. Both verbose and wordy but simultaneously devoid of real meaning or even clarity.

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    6. Re:Too much work by preflex · · Score: 1

      Actually you don't even need particles in English:

      "why just strip out all punctuation who needs commas full stops capital letters anyway everything still perfectly readable"

      You stripped a conjunction and a copula, but you left the particle in place.

      "why just strip all punctuation who needs commas full stops capital letters anyway everything still perfectly readable."

    7. Re:Too much work by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'm not even sure that the average joe knows how to "use a statistical analysis to blank out the differences". I certainly don't.

      If you have, say, more than just a few different copies, it's all a matter of diffing and voting by concensus. If the distribution of the canary edits is any particular document version is random, any one of them is likely to be absent in a majority of the copies.

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  58. Useless but interesting by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    It means that to safely pirate ebooks, you will need to rephrase and repunctuate it to remove the watermarks. How much do you need to modify a text to make it a derived work? I wonder if this can be done without authors' approval, especially if they add mistakes (yes, punctuation can be erroneous)

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  59. Like the olden days by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

    Years before ebooks were sold, there was a community of people that would buy old paperbacks by popular authors, unbind them, run the pages through a scanner, maybe OCR the result, then post as version 0.x; readers would then proofread (often using a physical copy as a reference), bump the version number to reflect how readable/correct it was, and resubmit the book.

    Given the condition of early releases back then and how many more people are into sharing & proofing ebooks, there's no way that a "DRM" scheme that consists of inserting errors will last for long. Especially given the existence of tools like Calibre plugins -- even if Calibre doesn't come with a relevant plugin, it won't take long for someone to develop one.

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  60. Violating copyright in order to enforce it by deoxyribonucleose · · Score: 2

    Any publishers using this technique had better have iron-clad contracts with their authors permitting arbitrary alterations to their works. Otherwise, they are in clear violation of the authors' moral rights to protection against distortion and mutilation of their original work.

    It's eerily reiminscent of the 'We had to incinerate the village in order to protect it' military communique.

    Anybody know if standard boilerplate agrements from the major publishers actually sign away the authors' moral rights against deliberate mutilations (as opposed to inadvertent proofing errors)?

    1. Re:Violating copyright in order to enforce it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ebooks have a lot of metadata too; they could just as easily make the modifications there rather than the text. If you want to keep illustrations etc you wouldn't want to strip all that out.

    2. Re:Violating copyright in order to enforce it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Moral rights' are, by definition (in European law at least, not in US) 'inalienable' - they literally can't be signed away, no matter what your contract says.

  61. So personalize them again by bytesex · · Score: 1

    Take the text - run it through your own 'correctifier', and re-distribute. The trail will never stop at you.

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  62. Fraud issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you sell a book that is not exactly as stated on the advertising, meaning a copy of the authors writing, you can be prosecuted for false advertising / selling fraudulent copies.

    In the end, if you change the text, then it's not the author text anymore, even if it has the same words.

  63. How does this stop me from sharing from a USB? by Angrywhiteshoes · · Score: 1

    Is there something I don't know about the reader software on my computer? Is it leaking info about what books I'm reading?

    On the other hand, how does anyone know if I put it in dropbox and share my dropbox folder with someone? Or rename the file or strip any identifying meta-data and just host it on a private website that requires password to view?

    There's lots of things that don't make sense to me about how this will actually thwart piracy by striking fear into people's hearts. But then again, I (and we) are probably not the intended target(s) of that fear.

    1. Re:How does this stop me from sharing from a USB? by deoxyribonucleose · · Score: 2

      One word: PRISM.

      Perhaps I'm scaremongering, but are you willing to bet against mission creep from using such intelligence assets against so-called terrorism via kiddie porn to copyright infringement? Given how US election campaigns are being financed?

  64. Privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume somebody must have giving this idea at least a few minutes of thinking before sharing it. The thinking would inevitably reach to the conclusion: "It wont work unless we know who bought which book". As this did not cause the idea to get scrapped it must mean that somebody in publishing is not considering the storing of that information is problematic. I do and the thought that people in publishing is not sharing that concern worries me.

  65. Do they have a license to create derived works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No? Then they are commercially infringing billions of times, aren't they.

    And if they do, are they telling people it ISN'T the book they thought they were buying, but a work based on it? Because if not, they are committing fraud.

  66. Diff the copies and merge by ciantic · · Score: 2

    The trivial counter measure is to get multiple (two might be sufficient) copies with different markings, then run diff on the content and merge (perhaps manually). Of course it gets tricky if the content is closed binary format, but it's still doable.

    1. Re:Diff the copies and merge by Megane · · Score: 1

      If it's in a "closed binary format", the first step before re-distrubtion should be to remove it from the shackles of being encumbered by a proprietary format. It is a moral imperative. Text is text (especially when there are no illustrations); there is no excuse for proprietary formats.

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  67. If I were to pirate e-books ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... all I have to do to break their "new DRM" is to alter some words / punctuations on my own and then pirate that dang thing

    1. Re:If I were to pirate e-books ... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      So, you are saying you want to give the copy you just sourced a detectable fingerprint? How do you not see that as a terrible idea?

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    2. Re:If I were to pirate e-books ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subtle punctuation changes or "random" misspellings that turn one one word into another perfectly valid word could have a dramatic effect on meaning. In a textbook, that spells trouble when you are talking about critical text passages or excercise problems. A better approach may be to acquire two different instances of the ebook, run a 'diff' on the PDF files and simply remove the watermark.

    3. Re:If I were to pirate e-books ... by doccus · · Score: 1

      So, you are saying you want to give the copy you just sourced a detectable fingerprint? How do you not see that as a terrible idea?

      I'd tend to agree with you.. since it is apparent that most anti-piracy approaches appear to simply be altered versions of the old communist techniques used to spy on and control ones' own citizens.. ie.. if you know what someone reads, where they obtained it, and what their reading habits are, or.. more recently, if you know what someone watches, what they share, who they share it with, or, what they listen to where they bought it, or obtained it etc.. you can either stop them from doing it, *control" what they read, listen to, or watch, such as "Pravda" did, collect information on them, or , as they did in Soviet Union, do all three, all the while without any signs that this indeed being done. In order to use these techniques to protect copyright, only difference is that they would have to show their hand (blow their cover. so to speak). Copyright laws are a windfall for KGB and Stasi-like organizations.. such as CIA and DHS...

  68. It seems weak to the "return to the average" by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Since those mutation are random, and spread over the whole text, you can just buy or take 6 or 10 text, then compare them all. The difference will be local. Return to the average and you can build a version which is safe.

    Example:
    The red poney, the traitor all, is dead !
    The red poney; the traitor all, is dead ?
    The red poney, The traitor all, is dead !
    The red poney, the traitor All, is dead !
    The red poney, the traitor All, is dead !

    You look at all the changes and find out :

    (The red poney)*5 ,*4;*1 t*4T*1 (he traitor )*5 a*3A*2 (ll, is dead )*5 !*4?*1

    You then compare all the frequency and take the highest. And you get :

    (The red poney)*5 ,*4 t*4 (he traitor )*5 a*3 (ll, is dead )*5 !*4

    In other word all mutation are stripped.

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    1. Re:It seems weak to the "return to the average" by DrXym · · Score: 2
      The issue here (aside from the differences being more subtle) is how does this master bookz distributor obtain 5 copies of the same book without them being in the wild in the first place? Does he solicit people to send him books or upload them somewhere? Remember if the books are in the wild you are screwed.

      So you have to upload your book to somewhere secret where you trust and hope Mr Bookz will will strip out your id. And if your uploaded book does leak into the wild (because Mr Bookz is an asshole or incompetent about stripping the id), you've just incriminated yourself for no reason. If there is a book in the wild already why risk uploading another copy at all? Why even buy a copy in the first place if you are uploading books and therefore not especially concerned about the ethics of piracy?

      Of course I suppose 1000 people could crowd compile a book, each submitting a page each to produce a frankenbook from the pieces but it would still have to be canonicalized in case the markup, contents, style rule names embedding the id somehow. Perhaps the frankenbook would hash each canonicalized page and the pages that have the same hash are used when the book is stitched together.

      But for all the effort maybe it's easier to scan the paper book in the first place, or hook up a cracked Kindle / Nook / tablet to a flat bed scanner or a screen capture device and make extensive use of analogue hole to strip out most of the watermark.

      In summary, it would be a hard problem to crack.

  69. Theoretical application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a purely theoretical application. How many mistakes do you need to be reliably track a source?
    Let us say... ten. I have not done the math, but ten sounds like a good number, in a 100-page work you had 2 per each 20 pages someone leaks. Or if you plan on selling a million copies, you have enough possible mistakes you can add.
    So 10 mistakes per book, in a normal 300-page-book that is one every 30 pages.

    Ok, how many mistakes does a professionally layouted and published book have? Probably much more in academia than in novels.
    But I think the the distinction is not that important, 10 mistakes on 300 pages are quite noticeable, especially if you consider they are done *in addition* to the real mistakes.
    In novels, you notice them "once in a while". Let us take the Harry Potter franchise over 7 books or A Song of Ice and Fire over like 6000 pages. I think I noticed like 5 mistakes in all those thousands of pages each. Let us simply assume I am bad at spotting them and it's actually ten times that number (which I find to be quite a lot), which would be 50 mistakes or errors over 6000 pages in 5 books (for aSoIaF). Ok, now we add this new, awesome DRM-scheme and add 10 further errors per book (which is 1000 pages each for A Song..., so we have one mistake every 100 pages, which seems quite a few).
    Even if this best-case scenario (I assume more errors than probably are there and add barely enough to make this a worthwhile scheme) you double the typoes on your book. Deliberatly. The percevied quality (from the reader) will go down a lot and the publisher is also getting a lot of people reporting those typoes.

    This scheme works in theory, but not in practice when it mets humans who actually notice how it is "supposed to be". Plus, you decrease the quality of your own books. I think this is an idea that should be filed as "Nice thought experiment, but too stupid to do" (next to "Can I blow myself up with eating Mentos and drinking Diet Coke").

  70. Better solution and better hackaround by sberge · · Score: 2

    The better solution is to have the author (or translator in case of translated literature) provide multiple versions of a few sentences in the book. And the work-around is to upload only a fraction, randomly sprinkled through the book, to the sharing site which then assembles the pieces from multiple copies, garbling the watermark.

  71. Yup, correct. Now the consequence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Changing a few letters in Harry Potter doesn't make it your work, either"

    But it DOES make it require the license to do so by the copyright holder. And it also means that the copyrights on the combined work are partially the original author and partly the "author" of the changes.

    Shall I compare thee to a summer's afternoon?

    That ain't Shakespeare.

    Covers ARE NOT the copyright of the original singer. So you killed your argument there somewhat.

    And, given that in music at least, four notes is enough to be considered infringement, how different is it possible to be if you're able to change it a bit and retain the copyright?

  72. This sounds trivial to bypass. by haitch · · Score: 2

    If you can find 3 independent sources (shouldn't be hard for something popular), then all that should be required is a 3-way diff and use whatever is common with any 2 or more. If all 3 are different at the the same place then use some manual intervention and make your result different again or add another source. The final product cannot then be traced to a single source. Am I missing something?

    1. Re:This sounds trivial to bypass. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      I'd run it through something similar to a code beautification script, something that would standardize the whitespace, correct mis-spellings, etc...

      Then.. your 3 sources idea might still be a good one in order to check for whole word changes.

  73. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1- Get book from source 1... get book from source 2
    2- Merge differences
    3- ????
    4- Someone else that has a book = to the merge gets the blame.

  74. Hardly a novel idea by DrXym · · Score: 1
    Throw some extra spaces here or there where it doesn't matter, use similar characters like the different forms of apostrophe or hyphens, twiddle the underlying markup, add unused style rules or inconsequential differences in styling. You could easily find enough bits in there to to "watermark" a book without it being obvious. You'd practically have to canonicalize both books and do a comparison and keep working on the canonicalizer until the results were the same. Chances are by that point that the book would be mangled out of all recognition.

    Someone would have to possess an another copy of the same book (more or less defeating the point of sharing the their own and incurring a personal risk) in the same published form in order to even know that the differences were intentional. Even then it doesn't make them easy to remove, if for example style names or other marks in the book were randomized.

    Similar measures would have easily found the culprit of a mass leak of information like wikileaks. Every page could contain 1 bit of variation based on the user's id and the result page. Each bit you could glean from a page would cut the search space of culprits in half so you'd nail the perp in no time. Even if the document was canonicalized it cannot strip out all the ways that this bit of variation could be sent and wikileaks would be extremely unlikely to be in possession of two independent copies of the same document to even know what to look for.

  75. What are you talking about? by mha · · Score: 1

    The ONLY one they can potentially track at all is the original buyer. What use is it to track the NEXT uploader (*with this method*)? They can find out who he/she is anyway (trace IPs) - which they can already do.

    What they are interested in here specifically is the original buyer turned uploader, because with the current method of tracking IPs they can get an uploader - but they still don't know if he/she is the source.

    1. Re:What are you talking about? by biodata · · Score: 1

      >They can't find out who he/she is anyway (trace IPs). Fixed that. The idea that IP == person has been pretty comprehensively demolished in relevant legal jurisdictions.

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  76. Indent for text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really wonder if the idiots who thought that out every heard of indent. If you can format c, xml or whatever else, then I am sure that you can format normal text as well. I could probably write that in perl or python in an afternoon.

    Wait, I should probably file a patent for that idea right now ;)

  77. Completely tranparent to the user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've patented this technology and it's completely unbreakable -- I replace, by a formula, selected space characters with an eN-space character...

    Patent #508448

  78. Get two copies and diff? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Seriously, how hard is this? Just download two copies and diff them, then "correct" the difference.

    This is just nonsense.

  79. I wondered what was wrong with those new books... by knarf · · Score: 1

    ...but I have not been able to put a finger on what is was.

    'To question not be or to be, the question that is'...
    'The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the few, or the many'
    'Ask not what you can do for your country but ask what your country can do for you'
    'To each according by their means, by each according to their needs'
    'It was a giant step for man, a small step for mankind'

    Something just did not seem right... now I know.

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  80. And what happens... by Smerta · · Score: 2
    What happens when a legitimate purchaser/owner has the file stolen/copied from his computer? Viruses, friends using his computer, old discarded & unwiped hard drive....

    Now the copyright mafia comes banging on his door claiming he uploaded/pirated the book? WTF???

    Just like taking an IP address and suing the user/owner of that IP for uploading music/movies, this tactic has no teeth. Unless someone has corroborating evidence, there's no proof that *I* am the source of the uploaded file. Only that it is the file that I originally purchased.

    The whole copyright system, and behaviors of content owners, has gotten completely out of control...

  81. Better: Reader Bot by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    A very good LCD screen, a very good camera, and an autonomous image to text program; probably do War And Peace in a day.

  82. Is my copy of Orwell legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    War is freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility
    Freedom is the practice or system of owning slaves
    Ignorance is the quality or state of being strong

  83. sed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sed 's/[[:punct:]]//g'

  84. more randomizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run the pirated ebook through a program that does the same thing and it won't have the same unique signature any more and just tell them you bought it used and don't have a receipt.

    1. Re:more randomizing by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      It's unlikely that you would alter the changes specific to your copy. It means they'll have to record the specific changes made for each ebook and compare, and sometimes with your algorithm multiple people's would match, but I imagine oftentimes they'd still be able to match it against a unique person.

    2. Re:more randomizing by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      You may not be able to "buy it used" like a dead tree book.

      I know for example that Barnes and Noble sells ebooks that are tied to the buyer's account and some of them can be loaned to a friend for a limited period of time. (And that's a feature that B&N advertises, you silly person who thought that you can give away or sell what you bought with your own money.)

      I'm pretty sure that Amazon does the same with the ebooks they sell.

  85. What self respecting Authror by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    ... Would allow an algorithm to randomly change the punctuation and spelling of even a small portion of their novel?

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    1. Re:What self respecting Authror by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      I'm not even an Authror and I know for sure that I woodn't.

  86. This assume pirates are dumb and leave a trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You see plenty of copies of stuff online that contain details of the supposed buyer. While a lot are probably the property of unsuspecting people who left the document in a public rather than private folder, anyone who genuinely wants to pirate something will not give a flying f*ck about this technology. The account will be a dead end (pre-paid cards, disposable email) and will simply waste the time of the people who are tasked in tracking it down. Totally pointless technology...

  87. Sweet! by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    Everybody needs an English(or other language) textbook that has had some script randomly alter it's punctuation a bit!

  88. sue the publishers! by Sq · · Score: 1

    So, authors should excercise their moral rights (at least here in Europe, they're inalienable rights of authors enshrined in copyright law) and sue publishers for mutilating their works deliberately.

  89. Compare multiple copies by dhasenan · · Score: 1

    Get four or five copies of the book, compare them, and wherever they differ, go with the majority variant.

  90. How often are you reading the same book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0.001% of the time? Lend it out to 1,000 others, still 1% utilised.

    Meanwhile P2P really does generate about a 1:1 seed/read therefore you do NOT send a copy out to 1,000 others, but only a handful.

    Flint Knapping is no longer a skill that generates a lot of industrial and commercial income. We do not miss this.

    Why must we miss the "industrial income" of books and copyright to the extent that even under the astronomically unlikely chance of some harm to that industry, so much ACTUAL harm is done to everything else?

  91. There was a Best Of Prince CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a Best Of Prince CD I bought that the copy had a bug in the fourth track on the CD and would not play properly on a CD. It ripped fine with cdparanoia, but the CD itself didn't work. Sent it back, got a replacement, same problem. Sent that back, replaced, same again. Got a refund instead.

    Never bothered with buying CDs since then.

  92. Get your money back? by m.alessandrini · · Score: 1

    What about reading it, then asking your money back because it's a defective book? When I buy a book, I want an exact copy of that book, not a randomly altered one.

  93. Pff... by AndrewX · · Score: 1

    diff -c copy1.txt copy2.txt

    sed 's/discrepancy1/correction1/;s/discrepancy2/correction2/;s/etc/etc/' copy1.txt > newcopy.txt

    well, that was hard.

  94. Re:Fred Saberhagen covered this already by RustyTheCat · · Score: 1

    See the short story "The Annihilation of Angkor Apeiron" in the collection "THE ULTIMATE ENEMY, THE BERSERKER SERIES" By Fred Saberhagen

  95. Canary Trap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering this was written about by Tom Clancy nearly 20 years ago.......

  96. Pirate Watermark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1) Make your own ever so slight change.
    Step 2) ???
    Step 3) Profit.

  97. Make the books worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell most ebooks that were made from original hardcovers and or paperbacks are already chock full of spelling errors as it is and make it hell to read because most people don't have the time or willpower to fix OCR errors. This so called idea of altering text is just so damn stupid rather like how the Sony rootkit was with music cd's a few years ago.

  98. Who on Earth.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..would buy a book with deliberate grammar errors??

  99. Is this why Harry Potter 1 had different titles? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

    In Britain: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
    In USA: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone

    The publisher could've just said, "No, we're not changing it for Americans who we think will be scared off by the word 'philosophy'. It's just one of our DRM changes that happened to end up in a particularly visible location." :-)

  100. Re:Cordwainer Smith covered this already by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Cordwainer Smith got there many years earlier with Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons.

    In the story, looking up the words Littul Kittons in an electronic encyclopedia acted as a tripwire for a planet's security services.

  101. all it'll take, is a perl one liner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    title says it all : )

  102. off v. (slang) to kill by tepples · · Score: 1

    "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse".

    Does this mean help Jack dismount from the horse, or help Jack put the horse out of its misery?

  103. The music industry has been doing the same thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My CCR album has altered lyrics. In one portion of the song, instead of singing "there's a bad moon on the rise", they substituted "there's a bathroom on the right". One of my Jimmy Hendrix album in the song "Purple Haze" has him singing "Scuse me while I kiss this guy". My Pearl Jam album is by far the worst example of this DRM. The sung lyrics of "Yellow Ledbetter", don't match the lyrics in the liner notes at all. They clearly gone completely overboard. I'd estimate that there are at least 128 bits of entropy used in this song. You can issue a copy of Yellow Ledbetter to every vertebrate lifeform on planet earth, and each copy will still have a completely unique set of lyrics.

  104. So what's the problem?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a book, do a diff against one or more friends copies of the same book and then you can strip the DRM out of the window...

    For people actually making money on reselling copies of these things does not care about if they buy one or several copies of the same book... Or they just grab someone else's copy..

    I can understand why the non-tech managers fall for the "protect your content with our super-duper DRM system that will prevent anyone from making a copy" schemes, but all it does is alienate their law-abiding, paying, customer-base...

  105. Already done by TSR / Wizards / Hasbro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSR / Wizards / Hasbro did this when they first started publishing online and used it to track who was giving away their stuff.

  106. eBook DRM can not win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eBooks, and any other purely text-based media, can never truly be "pirate-proof." All you need to do is scrape the text out of the file/off the screen and store it in any number of formats which will not be scanned by an ereader. Hell, you could use whatever ebook format you wanted (assuming there are different ones) and just name it differently so when it's scanned, the entire entry is unrecognized.

    If it was actually profitable, people could even transcribe it by hand. So there is literally no way to ACTUALLY stop people from copying and redistributing a book without paying for it.

  107. Ha ha did this in the 90'ies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did this when I submitted my manuscript to different publishers in the 90'ies, altering punctuation and phrases slightly so that I could track if a copy of the manuscripts submitted electronically to different publishing houses leaked...

    So I guess I was doing the "fundamental research" these researchers base their work on he he.... Yoinks my patent thank you very much....

  108. Almost sufficient. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This annoys me almost enough to try out an idea I have been kicking around for a while. I'd watch the Best Seller lists, and when a book is really popular, rewrite the entire story, changing it JUST enough so that no one can say it's someone else' work, but also making sure my potential readers know it contains the same story, in similar style, but that it's NOT the same book, then release it FREE under the Creative Commons license. For example...

    I have a story idea, about a boy named Freddy, and his buddy Slim. Slim is buddy's interior decorator. One day, a little while after Freddy's uncle Bobbo left him his house to pursue a career in literature while staying with friends, a friend of the family, a magician named Grand Olaf, stops by and asks if Freddy still has Bobbo's magic amulet, and if he can see it. (Etc., you get the idea...)

    I think I'd only want to do this to books published by DRM touting assholes, or books I really liked. But gawds... the time it would take!

  109. Well I will just use Google translate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To translate it in German and then translate back to English. Not only that they can not trace but it will also be a entirely new work of art that I can copyright.

  110. this has been done since 1994 in UK by eionmac · · Score: 1

    1 this was routine in all secure embargo-ed documents issued in UK by certain government departments and other organizations (e.g with Politicians on distribution list) so that tracing a 'leaked document' was possible. 2. Sometimes we changed complete paragraphs ( without changing the sense). 3. It caught a few folks.
    so very 'prior art' no patent possible.

    --
    Regards Eion MacDonald
  111. Tracking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tracking every individual copy of the book purchased. Kinda miss the days where I actually owned something when I bought it.

  112. signing the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you are altering it why not encode the buyer's name and address etc. so you know who outed the work.

  113. Dead Solid Perfect DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're right...could never be done...