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Chinese Media Calls For Boycott of Cisco
An anonymous reader writes "China's state-run media is calling on the country's wireless carriers to move away from Cisco products. According to reports, using Cisco products allows the U.S. to 'attack China almost at will,' and forms a 'terrible security threat.' Chinese officials are urging the companies' wireless carriers to switch to hardware made by Huawei and ZTE Corp. Citing cybersecurity concerns, the United States has banned the use of equipment from both Huawei and ZTE in its cellular networks. Cisco has not yet been named in documents describing the NSA's global wiretapping operations. Apple, a company named in leaked documents, has slashed iPhone production for the second half of this year on falling overseas sales."
He has certainly helped China to boost it's defenses.
Seriously? I guess not!
Weren't some companies found to be using Chinese clones of Cisco hardware and things which contained compromised chips and such? I remember reading about seizures of this hardware some time ago.
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You mean there are electronic products that are NOT made in China? Where are Cisco products manufactured?
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Don't you understand what just happened? We are now entering a trade war which could spiral into another cold war.
This is not going to be good for us citizens who will lose our jobs. It will not be good for the US economy, and Chinese spies will continue hacking into US corporations. You want to be ruled by China then that is fine but let's not pretend like it will be good news to most people in America.
Yeah.......cuz China is as pure and innocent. My data networks get hammered thousands of times daily by Chinese addresses. I'm sure all of that is just a few college kids having fun. Give me a break.
There is a war. Huaewei is dragged through the mud by witless/gutless/dimwits in the US Congress. Turnabout is fair play.
The silly thing is, that all of the cell phones across the planets are like little location devices, revealing your location, your contacts, your texts, and your conversations.
Cisco is on the slide anyway, and this won't really have a dramatic effect on the US economy. The problem, you see, is that the warriors aren't making enough money right now, and with moderate Middle East peace, there's no good money to be made from that.
Trade war? Insignificant. Sorry. Just not gonna happen.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
bit of an alarmest aren't you?
Blaming Snowden for this is obsurd, because anyone that has two functioning brain cells knows that the US Congress looked into passing legislation banning Huawei and ZTE last year.
There is a war. Huaewei is dragged through the mud by witless/gutless/dimwits in the US Congress. Turnabout is fair play.
The silly thing is, that all of the cell phones across the planets are like little location devices, revealing your location, your contacts, your texts, and your conversations.
Cisco is on the slide anyway, and this won't really have a dramatic effect on the US economy. The problem, you see, is that the warriors aren't making enough money right now, and with moderate Middle East peace, there's no good money to be made from that.
Trade war? Insignificant. Sorry. Just not gonna happen.
If the boycott of Cisco takes place then a trade war has begun. Cisco is one of the most important tech companies in the USA. What if they boycott Apple, Microsoft, and several others? I expect there will be a trade war as well as a cold war among hackers.
Only problem with your statement is that so far the start of every full blown war has helped the US economy. I'm not talking about peacekeeping or drawn out police actions...I mean war. WWI, WWII, Cold War. All boosted the US economy to some degree.
One of the main reasons is that these companies decide to bring jobs back to the US. Not sure if this will happen in this age of a global market. But the tension between US and China has been growing for a very long time.
Some people never learn...no matter how many times something happens to them.
You had to think when you elected the Governments who brought this upon you . ,. You're letting them do this.
Traitors to it's people . Breaking your own laws and the constitution .
The criminals and traitors are in Washington. Infuriating ? it is , but you can't blame the world and dog
for the actions of your government that led to this . It's time to pass at the cashier.
The confidence is broken. Time to face the consequences your Government's gestures are doing and done is now .
Don't blame anyone else than yourselves as a People
As all countries are spying at each other and stop trusting each other, international trade of It goods collapse. As in most goods, electronics are involved, this will harm international trade. As present China did not ban European products, but as they encourage the use of Chinese products, this ban is not USA only. The Europeans should try to do something similar. They should avoid US, British and Chinese products all along and encourage its companies to use strong encryption and tor like systems.
Maybe, just maybe, if we manufactured our own shit and purchased our own shit, we wouldn't have to worry about such shit.
Because the NSA doesn't have backdoor access to Microsoft?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Only problem with your statement is that so far the start of every full blown war has helped the US economy. I'm not talking about peacekeeping or drawn out police actions...I mean war. WWI, WWII, Cold War. All boosted the US economy to some degree.
One of the main reasons is that these companies decide to bring jobs back to the US. Not sure if this will happen in this age of a global market. But the tension between US and China has been growing for a very long time.
The cold war and WW2 is why we have prism in the first place. Nothing good resulted from the red scare, the cold war, etc. It did not help our economy either, look at the fact that the US is not backed by gold, look at the fact that the US buying power in a family has decreased. We have to work more to get less than our parents did and our parents had to work more than theirs. So at this point, no it does not increase your salary or your buying power to have war unless you work for the war machine of China or the US.
So the boycott surrounding Huawei is ok then? Who fired the first shot?
Cisco either stands on its own, or doesn't. If Cisco can't prove that it's not sending backdoor info to the NSA, then is China justified in its concern? Let the Chinese boycott whomever they want. There is no right to sell something anywhere. There is value or there is not.
The war with hackers has been going on for a decade. We do stuff (from the USA) and they do stuff (from mainland China). You're surprised?
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
The Chinese have successfully copied Cisco's HW so there's no reason to buy the genuine product.
This just means that they will use locally produced copies of Cisco equipment. Which is dramatically different from what they do now ... Yeah...
"But we decide which is right, and which is an illusion"
Because the NSA doesn't have backdoor access to Microsoft?
They do, but there are too many bugs in the code for them to get any information!
"But we decide which is right, and which is an illusion"
You know, China, I have no issue with a sovereign nation looking to its own industry to provide the technologies it needs to defend itself from threats, whether they are of an analog or digital nature. You shouldn't depend on foreign suppliers for your defense, not only because they may be somehow compromised with unknown backdoors, but also because you have no control of the supply. So sure, drop Cisco; it's probably for the best.
But if you are considering Huawei switches and routers to provide you any sort of security, you may wish to rethink that particular course of action. The NSA doesn't /need/ to install backdoors when the software is vulnerable by default.
Cisco hardware may be compromised with backdoors, but at least they are /competently/ compromised...
And this will initiate a trade war. Now China will suspect every US IT product of having a backdoor. Even if this has always been true, it's now proven true by Snowden and the consequences to the economy will be negative. It means more protectionist policies are coming as distrust slows global trade.
It's not a capital offense to critique the government in china. Though sure, you might get locked away and all that stuff.
But at least they are openly authoritarian. Unlike the US where you are supposed to have all these right but in the end you can still be locked away and all that stuff for arbirary reasons. Or bombed by drones, or assassinated by the CIA.
When it comes to replicating that authentic 1984 feeling, the US is far in lead with the twisting of language and concepts and covertly doing the opposite of what is stated. Lets see.
Perpetual warfare: check
Removing your rights in the name of preserving them in doublespeak fashion: check
Doing its best to achive universal surveillance: check
Demonizing the enemies while presenting self as bastion of glorious freedom and prosperity, while false flagging, assassinating and shitting everything up: check
And so on.
Lenovo and FutureWei (HuaWei) had been banned for a long while. I have been very surprised to see that China is starting to talk about boycott CSCO and maybe, AAPL right now.
Apparently, the meeting between Xi and Obama was not going well.
^(oo)^pig~
yeah and China NEVER puts backdoors in all their networking products they sell to the US. I mean I'm sure the US military gets weird American-made equipment on purpose just for the fun of it and to waste money, not for security reasons.
Now we see the real reason for the banning of Huawei equipment. Because unlike Cisco, it's difficult to subject Huawei to secret court orders forcing them to compromise the security of their customers.
that's actually a rather good point.
with cisco backdoors the fucks can also pretend that the chinese don't know about them.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Not gonna happen. There is too much investment on both sides. And if it cleans up the misdeeds of both side's spooks-- so much the better.
Does the dark side of intelligence need a spanking? Oh.Yeah. Will this do it? No.
This was the Chinese press calling for the action, not the government. Our press did the same stupid thing regarding Huawei. Did it have an effect? Not really.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Not gonna happen. There is too much investment on both sides. And if it cleans up the misdeeds of both side's spooks-- so much the better.
Does the dark side of intelligence need a spanking? Oh.Yeah. Will this do it? No.
This was the Chinese press calling for the action, not the government. Our press did the same stupid thing regarding Huawei. Did it have an effect? Not really.
It already is happening. Do you think the boycotts will stop here? The US will retaliate and then China will retaliate.
I think he simply revealed what most people already suspected/knew. Especially after the Patriot Act which allows for such collection of data.
Before facebook was seen as the fuel for the social revolutions, twitter the next media platform but now because of all the NSA snooping revelation, it has made all our software companies look like snitches.
Furthermore, it was a lone whistle blower rather than the powerhouse companies that fought against this, it has the made the software companies look placid and complaint to questionable data gathering.
XBox One unveiling response was that it looked like a perfect spying machine not a gaming machine, new cellphones or OSes will be thought to be full of back doors and websites to be perceived to be constantly monitoring data and handing them over to the authorities.
This might drive customers away from US software industry products.
You overestimate the power of the people to affect change in government.
Yeah, nothing says "stabbed in the back" quite like someone telling people what their own government is doing to them.
It's funny, not that long ago one of the main principles of America was that you shouldn't blindly trust the government. And now the government is saying "our secret stuff is fine, you can trust us" and people are buying it.
-- "So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated." - Bill Gates
Huawei is good enough at compromising their own security though. I feel like I'm the only one that remembers this. https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229785/Hackers_reveal_critical_vulnerabilities_in_Huawei_routers_at_Defcon
Unlike the good guys in America, which spies on its citizens and charges them with espionage for speaking out against the government.
When it comes to curtalizing citizen activity, at least the Chinese are honest about it. The shameless hypocrisy coming from the US government is insulting.
China does the exact same thing. Don't you live in China?
So, we blame him for exposing our own wrong doing? Isn't that a little ass backwards?
This coming from a country known for their counterfeit Cisco hardware.
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Given what our Government has been doing to Universities in HK, conducting cyber attacks of they type our own military has publicly stated could be considered an act of war this response is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED. I don't know why any reasonable person would expect China to do anything less.
After all what have done? Talked about potential trade disruption. Considering we have already done the same, with arguably less provocation, this had to be expected.
The fact is all the secrecy, creative interpretations of legal authorizations, spying etc, is making our nation less safe. Chuck Schumer and John Kerry are running around saying how "troubled" they are friendly nations HK/China, Russia, wont extradite someone they want to charge with a political crime. Well they should look in the mirror, why are is our government hacking academic institutions their countries. They don't trust us because policies that men like Kerry and Schumer helped put in place make us untrustworthy.
Quite honestly I think a more inward policy would be best for our nation. I am of the belief all our terrorism are in fact rooted in globalism; but even if you don't the current leadership still needs to go because our current policy does not foster anything like real international cooperation.
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Umm, I don't think so. Whose propaganda are you reading that cites this? Do you have any clue how much business is transacted between the US and China? This is nothing. Ignore the bruised egos and weaseling astroturfing corporate PR people trying to distract you. These are corporations that are scared to death to report a bad quarter to their Wall Street overlords. They live in a separate reality.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Or at the very least economically marginalized be being the denied the right travel, and black listed from any job that does a background check.
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I am not so sure. The fact is this little blue marble is only so big. There will probably necessarily come a day where its us them. Maybe that impasse is 50, 100, or 300 years from now but I think its coming. Starting an economic conflict /now/ when it really would still hurt them more than us might not be a terrible plan.
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The American government started a conflict against its people long ago. If it falls because of Americans exposing its wrongdoings, it's not the fault of the people, it's the fault of the government for starting the conflict in the first place. What do they expect? That we'll just bow down and let the government do anything to us as long as it's ostensibly in the name of protecting economic interests? Yeah, we benefit in the short term from a healthy economy. But in the long term, we are harmed by the damage to the constitution.
I just might have a few of these products at my workplace. Are there really backdoors or are the Chinese just paranoid?
They all put backdoors into their products. That's the joke. If there's a backdoor for the government, there is a backdoor for hackers, and I'd never consider anything Cisco to be suitable for a production environment for that reason. Unless you can see the source, you have no idea who's inside your network.
More ISPs that care about privacy should look into deploying open-source networking equipment. We should practice peering with neighboring networks, use secure VoIP when possible & support open-source software. Spying is not a conspiracy anymore, it's a fact.
And a lot of other brands... if those are the routers where you can replace the original firmware with a more free, openly auditable alternatives like DD-WRT, Tomato, OpenWRT or others. Or even put Cummulus in supported models. Or if you go to a more generic pc like alternative, directly putting linux or some BSD flavors.
Not happening either. They don't even want North Korea and wouldn't know what to do with 300 million angry Americans, in fact they still have a few people left in politics who saw first hand how Japan could not do much with the Chinese territory they occupied.
Final thing, this is the press calling for it, so it's as irrelevant as some idiot on Fox calling for the assassination of a South American President. Given Cisco's sleazy track record I'd call for a boycot myself for their lack of respect for US law alone (dragging a competitor out of a court in session to be imprisoned and face trumped up charges elsewhere). Even what was done to the founders when the company was taken over was very sleazy.
No surprise here, who wants to have equipment that can be killed from the thousands miles away
When I was a lowly dial-up support tech in the 90s, we used to make fun of angry callers who exlaimed, "my business depends on the Internet!". They should have had more than one ISP, we chided. Today there are many businesses that depend on the Internet intrinsically. It seems more forgivable now; but perhaps the mockery is still apropos. Perhaps the idea of any business depending on the Internet is still just as silly. Perhaps the Internet itself is silly, except for the small core of researchers that were using it back in the day. I can haz exabytes of stupidity, archiving a brief moment in history when we naively disgorged all our information at the speed of light..
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
They like to think so but they dropped the ball some time ago. It turns out you can't be at the cutting edge of technology when you get rid of the people doing the development.
When I worked at Cisco, one of the problems we had was customers would call in for support, not realizing their hardware was not authentic. They would proceed to take out their frustration and outright rage on us. But look, we're sorry you got ripped off, we do a tremendous amount to try to keep the counterfeit hardware off the market. But at some point it stops being our problem and becomes your problem!
Don't you understand what just happened? We are now entering a trade war ...
We have already been in a trade war with China for many years. Its merely been a one side trade war allowing China to do as they please ...
It starts with a 20-30% price discount on all goods and services due to currency manipulation. It continues with dumping products in targeted industries below "cost". Sometimes literally, sometimes indirectly by not enforcing Chinese wage and pollution laws. Yes such laws exists, they are merely selectively ignored for strategic industries and markets. It then continues with barriers to entry for US goods and services, entry may only be allowed with domestic partnerships and technology transfers (free R&D).
A very interesting read on this topic:
http://www.amazon.com/Death-China-Confronting-Dragon-Global/dp/0132180235/ref=sr_1_1
China doesn't pretend to go for anything other than "might makes right" which is why we can't accuse them of hypocrisy. The USA is supposed to follow the rule of law instead which is why we can. In the US it's not supposed to be a crime to just piss off powerful people. For instance Assange's real "crime" was publishing a leak that showed that Hillary Clinton was not fit to be trusted in a position of responsibility (eg. the instruction to steal credit card details to be able to frame foreign diplomats).
That doesn't make China any better it just shows that the US is currently being run more like China than the "spin" tries to convince us.
umm, you do realize that the US government thinks it'll actually benefit the economy right? That's why they started ramping up propaganda against China in the past couple of years.
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One day, hopefully before it's too late, you dimwits will realize there's this other option called WE. We are all humans. Once you get used to the fact that killing/supressing/enslaving/opressing others to support an unsustainable lifestyle is unsustainable, maybe we can make real inroads into sustainability and cooperation.
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Well, quite frankly, how could they not?
If all of these companies are helping with this, and allowing them to spy on global communications, how can we believe they aren't complicit?
The US government can force you to add in back doors and not tell anybody due to secrecy laws, and looking at the scope of this spying issue, you pretty much have to assume there's a good chance that those products do have a backdoor.
How could China (or any other country) trust that this gear hasn't been written in such a way as to enable this kind of spying any more than the US believed this Chinese made gear?
The US has more or less said "for our security it's our right to spy on everybody", which means we should also assume that every other country has decided they should be able to do the same damned thing.
Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Cisco ... if you've been named as part of this, the assumption simply has to be that, as an entity, you aren't safe to trust. It also means you should assume those same entities will be forced to help every other damned country carry out the same level of spying.
It's not like they could claim they aren't willing to help government spying, because they've already been doing it. At which point, saying 'yes' to the US government and 'no' to any other country is an untenable position.
When you get your corporations involved in spying, it's a natural conclusion that your corporations might be involved in spying.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Their shit is entirely too expensive, with astronomical recurring charges. What do you even get for all of that money, some dismal routers, lame SIP phones, and some CCNA schmuck that you *have* to deal with?
Is this why you vote Republican, because they're honest about their stance, unlike Democrats as they have demonstrated?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
or if you're not a US citizen, is this why you favor Republicans over Democrats?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
This might drive customers away from US software industry products.
But where will they be driven to?
Because of our constitutional freedoms? Oh wait....
I'm not sure I want to drop the border with Oklahoma; they steal _everything_! Even dirt!
Right because is somehow Snowden's fault our government was conducting espionage against a nation we are not at war with cold or otherwise. No program on the scale of what the NSA has been doing was going to stay a secret forever. If you want blame someone blame the policy makers who have our government behaving deceitfully, and hypocritically.
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Yes, true, while there is US and THEM, there is also WE. But, you must understand, WE are not like THEM! ;)
"What are you doing here, Elijah?"
Call me when the shuttle lands, Pollyanna. It's a nice sentiment, but until we all look the same feature and skin-wise, there will still be tribal us vs. them attitudes; we should try to rise above it, but it's hard-wired down to the lizard brain level of herd mentality.
More ISPs that care about privacy should look into deploying open-source networking equipment.
That is LAUGHABLY funny. No open source router is even close to core-router speeds. Yes, a lot of "core routers" are build on open source technologies, but only so much as using Linux or *BSD as the OS...all have custom/proprietary interfaces to the hardware forwarding engines. Almost all of them have custom routing protocol stacks. Don't get me wrong, you want a small SOHO device, or even something that can handle a corporate LAN, sure....but try doing 100 ports of 10-gig-each in a chassis...just isn't going to happen.
Yet Cisco hasn't litigated ANY of that, to my knowledge, at all! Huawei has offered source code, and time and again refutes that their product violates any of Cisco's IP. Your argument is a red herring. The crux of the US Congressional hearings focus on alleged backdoors, and spying.
See http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/29/cisco_huawei_case_ends/ for more information. Please check your facts before making assertions that aren't true. Cisco is a leaking ship, not that Huawei did the world any favors by emulating Cisco. This is about stock prices and protectionism and an aging product line and a CEO with no vision that should have walked the plank eons ago.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Physics pretty much says you are wrong. Call me whatever you like but there is some number of people this planet can't feed, or keep within an survivable thermal envelop. I don't know if its 9,10, or 100 billion for that matter. Who knows how efficient we can be. There is however some point where its going to come down to resources being available for your family or someone else.
I don't think anyone's ideals will be so important to them when their kid is hungry.
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As an american (and probably on the NSA watchlist for being 'suspicious' for not drinking the 'kill snowden, rah rah rah!' Koolaid) let me be quite open, honest, and frank here.
You should not trust my nation to do anything but fuck yours up. Our number one and number two exports are bad foriegn policy legislation, and military munitions (as in, shots fired, not sold.)
The time where you cannot trust the firmware in your equipment happened a long time ago. The need for fully auditable software has never been greater. Do not trust my government. They are snakes and liars, looking to swallow you whole, or numb you with their poisonous PR, like they have so many of my countrymen already.
Europe isn't much better off at the moment, having already drank our koolaid, but most of you populace aren't drooling idiots that think exposing the government's dirty dealings is an act of treason, and honestly hold the opinion that their interests are the givernment's interests. As such, if you and your fellow citizens of EU countries act quickly, you can circumvent the bullshit by refusing to drink any more koolaid, and ousting koolaid pushers fromm office. That should be the single biggest red flag ever: if the politician pushes koolaid for US interests, vote them out. Don't question the choice. Just do it. (The koolaid poisoning is so bad here, that I will certainly attract the attention of a few of the addled addicts with just this message alone.)
If you buy equipment from a US firm, treat it like a spy bug. Either wipe the firmware and install auditable 3rd party programming, or isolate and monitor it religiously.
When presented with a choice to buy open standards based equipment, always go for the open standards. Don't get suckered in by "support contracts" and the like. If you have to build your routers and run linux on them yourself, so be it. The vacuum for quality, and auditable open standard hardware in your market will create business opportunities for your own companies to satisfy, and if they hold true to those ideals, they will get business elsewhere as well.
(And for you koolaid drinkers: as long as the "US's interests" run counter to US principles, I will always, and without reservation, steer people away from such interests, because my interests are for a free and healthy US, not a wealthy despotic and totalitarian one built on lies. I won't trade my principles for money or comfort. You should be ashamed to have done such a thing.)
[Waves at the NSA spook]
Recognising differences is hardwired, it's how we tell things apart. Treating others differently is all software.
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haha, true. I couldn't think of a way to properly express the superset of US and THEM in english. Not sure there is a word except God.
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No, physics agrees with me. Unsustainability is unsustainable. Logically we should do something about it before it literally comes to kill or be killed. Figuratively, we are already there as the wealthy nations strip the poorer ones of their resources.
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We are now entering a trade war ...
No, we've been in a trade war for years. It's just that China was the only one fighting it.
It will be bad for the Wall Street side of the economy, but it could be a boon for Main street. If China boycotts Cisco for security concerns, Cisco might have to bring production back to the U.S. perhaps not so good for Cisco's short term profits but it might be very good for employment.
Good. No shooting please, but a trade war needn't involve that. Actually we've been in a trade war for years, it's just that China was the only one fighting it.
The problem with fighting over the marble is that victory doesn't last. The US basically won in the 1990s, but it didn't really help. Even if you had a world-spanning totalitarian government, it would eventually fracture into groups fighting over the marble.
This is why we need more marbles.
oh, that's rich. Apparently you're not aware of how the US does business with those it considers it's friends and allies!
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"Doot doot doot, China's looking in my back door"...
It's totally a government-sponsored marketing scam to promote the use of Huawei products that are Cisco knockoffs. But since the Chinese people build gear for both brands in their factories, they're basically just promoting the notion that Chinese companies should use Chinese-owned brands, so that the Chinese government can focus their efforts on infiltrating Cisco ROMs and optimizing them for spying on Americans.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Soon every government official will get credit for creating local jobs by making it illegal to purchase anything made in a different country. Then we'll cycle back and have lots of globalization, and then we'll repeat the cycle again. Whatever you do, don't read history!
He may be flaming, but he's got a very good point about the mechanics of international trade.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
oh, that's rich. Apparently you're not aware of how the US does business with those it considers it's friends and allies!
That explains our persistent trade deficit, especially with China.
Yes, and maybe unicorns will evolve and start farting rainbows.
Btw, whats with the claim that this is US thinking? You really think other countries don't feel an "us vs them" feeling? If so, here's a link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
I believe I have made comments in the past fortelling what we can expect. We have known for a very long time that communications and technology owned by US companies have been compromised by US government interests. The US government routinely tells companies what they can and cannot sell or offer. This is compromise enough, but it gets worse than that. We have been following stories releated to the problem for the last couple of decades.
But now, at last, the world is waking up to the fact that because our government has become so corrupt, all of our products and services are ALSO suspect. As other people of other nations realize the very obvious problems of using US technologies, US technologies are likely to be rejected, removed and boycotted. I would be not surprised at all to lean of a movement to replace the existing communications infrastructure with something which can be better trusted and protected and completely avoids the US and US territories.
This, more than anything else -- the loss of trust of the rest of the world -- will doom the US and all of the people that do business with and within the US. It doesn't take a global economic collapse to kill the US... not while the US dollar is still the international unit of exchange.
And it's not like we're not seeing this elsewhere. The increasing incident of prohibition of Monsanto's poison in other countries is just a sign of what will likely become a much bigger problem for the US, business in the US and the people of the US.
God is the superset of everything, a rose by any other name...
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Do you know of any other country where government officials divide the world with their US and THEM rhetoric? Not sure if you've noticed, there is no other country that is so divided on almost every single issue. It's hard to notice this if you live in the middle of the propaganda, it really seems like USians believe the rest of the world is exactly as paranoid and fearful of any beliefs unlike their own.
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ZTE is a state-owned collective capitalist venture. Huawei is connected to the highest party organ, despite being privately owned. ChiComs just want other ChiComs to buy from ChiComs, really. (Typed next to a Cisco phone in Shanghai.)
-- Jimtown Kelly
Enough said.
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Paranoia will certainly expand to include motherboards as Chinese motherboards own the market, and similar back door access might be burned into any brand cooperating with the government. Advancement in business and personal computing will take a HUGE hit when this happens.