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Ikea Foundation Introduces Better Refugee Shelter

Lasrick writes "This is truly brilliant: Ikea has joined with the UN Refugee Agency to design a longer lasting flatpack shelter that includes a solar panel and UV reflecting material." From the article: "Ikea's design, a cross between a giant garden shed and a khaki canvas marquee, is formed from lightweight laminated panels that clip on to a simple frame, providing UV protection and thermal insulation. Like an Ikea product, the polymer panels come packed in a box, along with a bag of pipes, connectors and wires – and no doubt a cartoon construction manual." And they last for around three years.

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  1. Ok.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So... the steel rod goes through the tarp and latches onto... wait... ... is that a screw? This thing better not fall apart in a week...

    1. Re:Ok.... by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a whole household full of IKEA products that have served me well for years, I see no reason why the same couldn't apply to these shelters too.

    2. Re:Ok.... by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a whole household full of IKEA products that have served me well for years, I see no reason why the same couldn't apply to these shelters too.

      The difference, of course, is your Ikea furniture isn't exposed to the elements. A 3 year lifespan for a temporary shelter isn't bad...

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    3. Re:Ok.... by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Go set your IKEA products out in the elements for a while and see if they even last 6 months.

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    4. Re:Ok.... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder if just empty shipping containers would be the best answer.

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    5. Re:Ok.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many shipping containers can you fit into a shipping container? How many can you fit onto the back of a truck? I have a feeling your ability to distribute them would be severely limited.

    6. Re:Ok.... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      You could fit a bunch of PODS in a shipping container. a PODS could work for a living structure.

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    7. Re:Ok.... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Some shipping containers collapse for the return trip.

    8. Re:Ok.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *looks at his Ikea deck chairs*

      Yeah, still there.

    9. Re:Ok.... by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Most IKEA products aren't -designed- to be exposed to the elements, though. They are designed to be placed indoors in a controlled environment.

      I'm pretty sure these shelters are designed with weather in mind at least until something else is proven.

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    10. Re:Ok.... by Imrik · · Score: 1

      You mean like this?

    11. Re:Ok.... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      The vast majority however are not.

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    12. Re:Ok.... by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Those that are designed to be outside would probably last quite well.

      Of course if you're a dumbass like most people and buy indoor stuff for outdoors, you deserve what you get. Though people who have their Ikea failures usually are the same types that get electric shocks from their indoor fans that they move outdoors "because what could happen, right?"

    13. Re:Ok.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      starting price... $17,000-$33,000

      Yeah... no. If you've got 30k. you're not hurting for living space.

      We managed to buy a three-story, stationary, brick-built building from our town for an equivalent of $7,000. (Reason: lack of interested buyers due to its location, but still...) That's something like 200 m^2 of living space. These designs are certainly interesting, but if I'm not mistaken, you could buy an RV of the same size for a similar price, AND you'd be mobile.

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    14. Re:Ok.... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative
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    15. Re:Ok.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most IKEA products aren't -designed- to be exposed to the elements, though. They are designed to be placed indoors in a controlled environment.

      I'm pretty sure these shelters are designed with weather in mind at least until something else is proven.

      You are pretty wrong. Shelters are made to be extremely cheap and easy to transport. At the moment transporting cost is the limiting factor. The cost of setting up a refugee shelter is measured in its weight.
      Mostly refugee shelters are just tents but sometimes they are made of recycled cardboard boxes or tents supported by a paper tube frame.

      Here is a link to an article about a refugee shelter where heavy rain damaged 7000 tents.

    16. Re:Ok.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah but thinking inside the container is hipsta coolio.

      also, I'd think that a truck + container would be more badass than a rv.

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    17. Re:Ok.... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Which IKEA products? The ones made of fibre board? The ones made of glass? The ones made of plastic? The ones made of metal?

      Is there some weird reason why you think IKEA are only capable of making products out of completely unsealed untreated wood?

    18. Re:Ok.... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      From what I saw in the video it looks like it will. In fact it seems they couldn't even attach one of the panels properly (lower left side). Now if IKEA has trouble building their own product, imagine some illiterate 3rd world peasant. Also, why the hell would you want to make things more comfortable in a shelter? You do NOT want to give people a reason to stay longer.

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    19. Re:Ok.... by msauve · · Score: 2

      That's hardly comparable. Try putting one of those in a 2x1x.5 meter box which can be carried by two people, like the Ikea shelter.

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    20. Re:Ok.... by msauve · · Score: 1

      "You are pretty wrong."

      Whoosh.

      The GP was talking about the subject of this whole thread - an Ikea designed shelter which was designed specifically to hold up to the environment better than the tents currently being used.

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    21. Re:Ok.... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Go set your IKEA products out in the elements for a while and see if they even last 6 months.

      I imagine the ones that are designed for outdoor use would manage quite nicely, thank you.

    22. Re:Ok.... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      That would suck if they're carrying cargo for the return trip.

    23. Re:Ok.... by snugge · · Score: 2

      a) It is a prototype. Perfect fit is not expected.
      b) People tend to stay in refugee camps not because of the comfort of the facilities, but due to the fact that WAR still is raging.

    24. Re:Ok.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I think you're mixing up barracks style prefab construction with refugee shelters.. the least you could have done would have been to link to some british army tents or something because these are more like that.

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    25. Re:Ok.... by mutube · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, why the hell would you want to make things more comfortable in a shelter? You do NOT want to give people a reason to stay longer.

      I know, right!

      I heard that back where those refugees came from there are loads of free bullets. Why can't they eat them?! You don't even have bend down to pick them up, they're flying right around in the air at head height!!

      But I guess that's not good enough for them. That's why they're coming over here into the middle of desert, stealing our barren landscape.

      So selfish.

      Excuse me while I go buy a new iPad.

    26. Re:Ok.... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Also, why the hell would you want to make things more comfortable in a shelter? You do NOT want to give people a reason to stay longer.

      Exactly right! If you're taking care of refugees, you want to make sure they're as miserable as possible so the better choice is for them to go back 'home' so their daughters can be be raped and their sons can be forced to become child soldiers.

      Fuckwit. Do you even know what a refugee is?

    27. Re:Ok.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Why would you expect products designed for inside use to last outside? Put your TV out in the rain for a while and see how well it does.

    28. Re:Ok.... by couchslug · · Score: 2

      The best use for shipping containers in refugee situations would be to unload containers holding supplies then use the container with something like the Sea Box kits when it's empty. Of course the rest of the container could be filled with Ikea kits.

      http://www.seabox.com/shelterpak.php

      Containers can be used to make structures used by the group or NGOs providing relief while families live in the tent-ish shelters.

      Containers are stable at high wind velocities, easy to modify with basic equipment, and since they are supported by the end fittings they are easy to elevate above where water may accumulate.

      Place tents in the lee of a container and they are protected from wind. Surround tented areas with containers and have a 360-degree windbreak.

      (I moved my 40-foot High Cubes using an manual Wyeth-Scott comealong, snatch blocks, and chains. I pivoted the ends by supporting one on an 18-wheeler rim while the other rolled on some 8" diameter scrap pipe. I elevated them using bottle jacks and wood cribbing. If one old guy can do that single-handed it's no wonder ISOs are popular worldwide.)

      The use of MIXED solutions using what's available is the way to go.

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    29. Re:Ok.... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      I have mod points, but I can't find the option for +1 Weapons Grade Sarcasm.

      Well done.

    30. Re:Ok.... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Is there some weird reason you think I'm only insinuating poor quality of the wood products?

      Plain and simple, many of even the outdoor products are garbage. My IKEA outdoor patio chairs warped in about two months. Those are plastic (were plastic, They got tossed out and replaced with galvanized metal folding chairs.)

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    31. Re:Ok.... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Mine were useless in just a couple of months. See, here in California, we have this thing called the desert, which comes with high triple-digit temperatures.

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    32. Re:Ok.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Imagine that, a TV designed for outdoor use does OK outdoors. Now try that with a typical TV intended only for indoor use.

    33. Re:Ok.... by spyfrog · · Score: 1

      I don't think IKEA designs for deserts. The furniture are more designed for subartic Scandinavia

    34. Re:Ok.... by Moryath · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if you want people to die of heatstroke. The PODS design becomes a solar oven in no time.

    35. Re:Ok.... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its designed for situaions where less cargo is carried on the return trip, so they save space by collapsing the containers.

    36. Re:Ok.... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's news to me. My outdoor set was fine after 7 years. It just needed some mould removed. I've never had anything IKEA break which didn't die from old age, and half my house is from there given that it's one of the cheapest ways to build a kitchen / bedroom / living room / entertaining area.

    37. Re:Ok.... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      High triple digits? Really? Even 200*F is still the low triple digits. High triple digits suggests a leading 7 or 8 at least, meaning water has long since ceased being liquid, most plastics are no longer solid (and may have spontaneously combusted), and even many common metals are no longer particularly rigid. Oh, and you are long since dead and reduced to carbon ash and firestorms have consumed pretty much all organic matter in the area.

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    38. Re:Ok.... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Rankine obviously. Still a stretch to 'high'.

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    39. Re:Ok.... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I think you need a comma:
      high, triple digit temperatures.

  2. Makes sense by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The video said the average family will be in these tents for ten years, while the durability of these tents is 3 years (up from 6 months from the old tents). That sounded odd to me until I realized I've been living for 6 years with Ikea furniture which felt like it would last two months.

    Good on Ikea. Though I wish they had said what crazy swedish name they were going to call these things.

    1. Re:Makes sense by MeepMeep · · Score: 2

      Considering the people who need it don't own anything....maybe LACK?

      Wait, that's taken

    2. Re:Makes sense by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      Though I wish they had said what crazy swedish name they were going to call these things.

      I figured they'd call it SHAANTEA.

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    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You misunderstood: the durability of the *current* tents (canvas) is 6 months, although the average family lives in the camp for 12 years (presumably in the same tent).

      The durability of the IKEA shelter (not the tent) is 3 years.

    4. Re:Makes sense by psergiu · · Score: 1

      The most logical name:

      FLYKTINGBOSTÃDER

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    5. Re: Makes sense by rytier · · Score: 1

      you didn't know the IKEA 19-inch rack solution? that's LACK :)

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    6. Re:Makes sense by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      No, I understood. I phrased it that way to try to make it clear I was setting up a joke, not criticizing IKEA or those who provide tents. And I accidentally called the IKEA shelters tents.

  3. We need those here by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    San Francisco has 8,000 homeless people. Those could help.

    1. Re:We need those here by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      San Francisco has 8,000 homeless people. Those could help.

      The problem is, where do you put them up? NIMBY ('Not In My Back Yard!!') is the watchword here.

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    2. Re:We need those here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The homeless aren't refugees and can't be treated like them. 8000 crazy alcoholics with poor impulse control would indeed be a NIMBY nightmare.

    3. Re:We need those here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      8000 winos trying to follow Ikea assembly instructions. A sight to behold. They'll end up sleeping in the cardboard packing.

    4. Re:We need those here by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      What would a 3D Printer look like to make these things on demand?

    5. Re:We need those here by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Judging from what those assembly instructions look like, my guess is that you have to be drunk, high or otherwise ... let's say "have augmented senses" to understand them.

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    6. Re:We need those here by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Wait are you talking about Wall Street traders?

    7. Re:We need those here by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 2

      It would look incredibly slow.

    8. Re:We need those here by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Or, you could 3D-print a permanent house. I believe there are companies that are trying to pursue this path.

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    9. Re:We need those here by msauve · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds more like a major political party convention.

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    10. Re:We need those here by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Or, you could 3D-print a permanent house. I believe there are companies that are trying to pursue this path.

      yeah.. but it's not like in california the problem is that there weren't buildings. the homeless problem is separate from that..

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    11. Re:We need those here by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      San Francisco has 8,000 homeless people. Those could help.

      The problem is, where do you put them up? NIMBY ('Not In My Back Yard!!') is the watchword here.

      Start with Nevada. Send back the 5000 bused and dumped there by that State's various NGOs and government agencies.

      Sig heil much? Take that Godwin.

    12. Re:We need those here by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Or maybe don't enable them to be any bit more comfortable as homeless people?

      Yes, there are some people that life has purely shat upon. If you can cull them out and help them, great, but the fact is that MOST homeless people are there because they made shitty life choices.

      While the impulse to help them is genuinely kind, if you make 'being homeless' any less onerous, what are you going to get? MORE HOMELESS.

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    13. Re:We need those here by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      actually this kind of thing can be put up by a group of N-M people (where N is the capacity of said hut) within a few hours.

      WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THE FOLKS LIVE IN WHILE THE REAL HOUSE IS BEING BUILT??

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    14. Re:We need those here by Immerman · · Score: 1

      If time were the only issue then how about something like Monolithic Domes. They can drive in their equipment to a prepared construction site and have one of the most durable, well-insulated buildings on the planet ready for you to move in within a day or two.

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  4. Why not the Hexayurt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Nobody knows why Ikea ignored the hexayurt designs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexayurt , http://hexayurt.com/ ). NIH?

    1. Re:Why not the Hexayurt? by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hard to pack in boxes, and they make inefficient use of limited land, that's my guess.
      Might also be harder to assemble.

      Since Ikea Already uses one percent of all the processed wood in the world, i suspect they also know that other designs are more resource demanding.

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    2. Re:Why not the Hexayurt? by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      Because the roof has multiple joints that would be susceptible to leaking when the tape adhesive started to fail? The whole thing looks like it is held together by adhesive tape; just how durable is that?

    3. Re:Why not the Hexayurt? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hexayurts/hexadomes are put together out of plywood, not canvas and sticks. If painted, they should last substantially more than ten years. And they are made out of materials available pretty much anywhere in the USA, we have a lot of plywood. It doesn't even matter too much what kind of plywood you use.

      I just have to wonder how this project compares to erecting hexayurts costwise. We are talking about Ikea, masters of charging a lot for crap.

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    4. Re:Why not the Hexayurt? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The Ikea thing looked much more durable than the hexayurt I helped set up, but it wasn't designed to be permanent.

      The Ikea thing is specifically designed for semi-permanent use...

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  5. good ideas ...... by thephydes · · Score: 2

    are often simple to use when they come to fruition. One could say this approach was obvious - so obvious in fact that no-one else has made it work yet. It quite likely needs some fine tuning but what implementation of an idea does not? Good work!

  6. Re:So, are they giving it to the UN, or selling? by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA Ike does indeed have a none profit foundation, like Microsoft, Google and Ford.
    But ikea itself is very much a For Profit Dutch Corporation.

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  7. This should settle the old question by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Are Ikea products at least on average shipped with the correct number of screws, bolts and parts?

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    1. Re:This should settle the old question by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Are you sure they were spares? ;-)

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    2. Re:This should settle the old question by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Roughly all of my furniture with the exception of the chair I'm sitting in now came from Ikea.

      Let me be the chairman then, as I just picked a chair (TORKEL) from Ikea. Luckily enough I was able to purchase a demo unit for €30.

      Nice product, comfortable and ergonomic.

    3. Re:This should settle the old question by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Are Ikea products at least on average shipped with the correct number of screws, bolts and parts?

      I've purchased fourteen pieces of Ikea furniture. I have yet to get one that didn't have all the pieces necessary, and if you should be unlucky enough to be missing parts, replacements can be obtained from Ikea easily.

  8. Re: Only two problems. by tracker1972 · · Score: 2

    Since when was a "polymer panel" fiberboard? So doors this mean your second point is nonsense as well? Did you actually read the articles or just see an IKEA bookshelf once?

  9. Re: Will not stop bastards by tracker1972 · · Score: 1

    No, although a solid panel has got to be an improvement over a tent, and it also suggests it can form the interior of a beefed up structure.

  10. Perhaps the bigger problem... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While any incremental advances in design are a good thing, it seems like the timescales we are talking about here are starting to get into 'perhaps you need to re-think your approach to the problem...' territory.

    12 years is really pushing the idea of 'temporary' to the limit. How long do you go before you stop trying to incrementally decrease the squalor in a given refugee camp and start to admit that either you need to get your shit together on whatever is keeping your refugee camp full, or you need to admit that you have no resolution in sight on that one, and admit that your refugee camp is now a town.

    1. Re:Perhaps the bigger problem... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Asking how long is irrelevant....
      It doesn't even matter which question is asked:
      Shoot the politicians is always the right answer.

      well.. considering that shooting the politicians on repeat has been the cause for many of these camps..

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    2. Re:Perhaps the bigger problem... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Well, since refugee's are usually fleeing their home country the problem probably exists outside your ability to gracefully intervene. Your solutions are pretty much limited to maintaining indefinite refugee camps, shipping the refugees elsewhere (if anyone will take them), or granting them citizenship or at least work visas so they can become contributing members of their new country of residence (with all the problems that causes to the local labor markets). Or of course getting deeply mired in the internal politics of your neighbors who have already been shooting at each other for years. Not really a lot of good options there.

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    3. Re:Perhaps the bigger problem... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Well, since refugee's are usually fleeing their home country the problem probably exists outside your ability to gracefully intervene. Your solutions are pretty much limited to maintaining indefinite refugee camps, shipping the refugees elsewhere (if anyone will take them), or granting them citizenship or at least work visas so they can become contributing members of their new country of residence (with all the problems that causes to the local labor markets). Or of course getting deeply mired in the internal politics of your neighbors who have already been shooting at each other for years. Not really a lot of good options there.

      Oh, I'm definitely not saying that there are any good options, just questioning the wisdom of attempting to design 'temporary housing' if your actual use case ends up being north of a decade long. 'Temporary' usually comes with substantial tradeoffs(either in price, if it's the good stuff, or in quality, if it's the cheap seats). Those are generally worth it if 'permanent' or 'semi-permanent' are overqualified and overpriced/hard to remove for the job because you are only expecting people to be staying for a week, or six months, or whatever. If your realistic timescale is actually ten years, solving the problem with 'temporary' gear probably means you'll end up solving it three or four times over(if you are lucky) and having everybody living in squalid, leaky tents the whole time.

      My(intended, I may have expressed it poorly) point was not so much 'If people are spending 10 years in refugee camps, UN=fail, shape up!"; but "If TFA says that the average stay is 12 years, shouldn't the design effort be focused not on incrementally improved 6-month tents; but split into 'short', 'medium' and 'long' SKUs, possibly with 'long' being not a set of modular buildings to be shipped in; but some sort of on-site mud-brickulator machinery(along the lines of some subset of the global village construction set)? Or, alternately, some attempt to design a short-term system that, either through addition of parts, or cannibalized for parts, has a smoother upgrade path than contemporary short-term designs do."

      I'd imagine that there is a strong incentive for everyone involved to pretend that any given situation is purely temporary, it'll be over shortly; but I suspect that maintaining that illusion might be leading to sub-optimal allocation of resources and design efforts that are aiming at the wrong goals.

    4. Re:Perhaps the bigger problem... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >I'd imagine that there is a strong incentive for everyone involved to pretend that any given situation is purely temporary, it'll be over shortly; but I suspect that maintaining that illusion might be leading to sub-optimal allocation of resources and design efforts that are aiming at the wrong goals.

      And there I think you've hit the nail on the head. Allocation of time, energy, and resources is no doubt sub-optimal, but the alternative is to spend political capital. And it takes a pretty altruistic politician to spend their political capital instead of someone else's money.

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  11. Re:Will not stop bastards by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this will not stop a gang of rapists cutting their way in from the side raping everyone stealing and what they like
    probably better than a white sheet over a couple of wires though

    If you are reduced to relying on fortified architecture for that, you arguably have bigger problems(as well as problems that should be solvable at lower cost and weight by some flavor of law enforcement, rather than fortress architecture). Tents are, naturally, pitifully insecure; but you have to go a substantial distance up the food chain before there isn't a fairly obvious flaw that a few reasonably strong guys(bonus points for users) can crack in a couple of minutes.

  12. Re:on the move? by Zedrick · · Score: 1

    Most of my furniture is from IKEA (I'm in Sweden, so that's kind of natural). I've moved twice with the same furniture, and didn't have any problems. Or, well, last time I had to look up the documentation for the bed online since I didn't remember who things should be put together... but apart from that - no problems.

  13. UNHCR Representative... by technix4beos · · Score: 1

    Could they have picked a worse spokesperson? His English was barely intelligible with such a heavy French accent. Why did we need him to even speak when Jonathan from the IKEA Foundation did such a fine job at explaining everything?

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  14. Re:on the move? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ikea furniture can be fine - until ... you move house.

    It's not made to be taken to pieces and put back together again - a second time.

    So what you are saying is that Ikea furniture sucks because unlike other furniture it can not be disassembled before moving?

    Then don't disassemble it.

  15. Sounds terrible... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Six months sounds good enough, to me. That's longer than I would want to live in a temporary shelter. Much longer and you're not so much providing humanitarian aid, as you are shipping-in prefabricated houses for many thousands of people.

    Those six months should be ample time to put together enough clay/adobe bricks to build a real, semi-permanent structure, with ample insulation, firebox, etc. Roofing materials might be more difficult, but helping to source those is better than giving out housing you've deemed "acceptable"...

    After 6 months, you should be building-up an economy... Paying some of those local refugees (a truly tiny amount of) money, to construct real homes for their fellow refugees, and hopefully even a few commercial structures.

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    1. Re:Sounds terrible... by Dyne09 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The idea of a refugee settlement utilizing relatively permanent building materials can and does occur, however it's often the case that host governments simply refuse to allow that to happen. A shelter using permanent materials quickly becomes a small town, which lends legitimacy to refugee settlements. Some host governments want mobile tent cities so they can be moved every year or so, or at the very least broken down quickly once what what ever situation is causing the resentment crisis in the first place is resolved. That said, the types of things you're describing tend to happen organically over time, especially with refugee situations that drag on for years. It only makes sense for a number of obvious reasons.

  16. It's about cost by Dyne09 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have worked in disaster response operations as a logistics and procurement person for six years, including rapid onset refugee settlements. Though I haven't worked directly in camp management, I have worked with purchasing, transporting and setting up these types of tents before. It doesn't say in this article, but other sources point out that even at mass production, the IKEA shelter will cost about twice as much as a canvas tent. At the end of the day, if you're setting up a tent city for 20,000 displaced refugees, that's a difference between 10 and 20 million dollars. Any large aid organization or donor simply isn't going to be able to justify doubling its operation costs. I should also add that one of the selling points of the IKEA structure is that tents only last six months, while these will last years. I don't know how long the UNHCR tents were designed for, but I think it's safe to say that in virtually every settlement I have been to, those tents tend to last longer than six months...alot longer. Usually, the tents are up for multiple years at a time, sometimes reused. This is not a justification for their crappy construction or poor amenities, but I have seen canvas tents that have been one place for six years, so the argument that the IKEA shelters is more economical in the long run isn't grounded in reality. Link to outside info: http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/06/27/196356373/new-kind-of-ikea-hack-flat-packs-head-to-refugee-camps?ft=1&f=1004

    1. Re:It's about cost by matfud · · Score: 1

      I am sure I know less about it than you. The current tents are not designed for long or even medium term living. Unfortunately long term housing is what they end up being used for. Yes it costs more up front but so do adding sewers and water supplies. They are all a requirement for living healthily and reasonably.
      The problem with permanent or semi-permanent structures is that in many cases the "host" country does not want them. In disaster situations this idea is known to work. There are still people living in WWII prefabs in the UK.

  17. Roof over your head is a basic right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You'll have the same base problem.... Whos going to pay for it?

    That's a very good way of defining the issue, although perhaps not as you intended.

    As long as the country is totally fixated on people making money, the homeless will always be considered a problem to be fixed instead of our disadvantaged neighbors.

    In a civilized society, work is something to be cherished by those who want to make their mark on society by contributing their interest and expertise. Today it's a necessary evil required for having a roof over one's head and food on one's table. It's primitive as hell.

    We don't even WANT to be civilized at this point in time.

  18. Wind? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    Wonder how well they hold up to strong winds.. those panels look flimsy and the solar thing is sure to get ripped off. Also looks like these are aimed only at hot places. Are there no refuges where it is cold?

    1. Re:Wind? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Are there no refuges where it is cold?

      I can't think of where there are currently any refugees (at least, in large numbers) in cold places, no. Odd, really. Does anyone else know of any?

    2. Re:Wind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it gets pretty cold in winter (down to 0 C at night) in most bits where the million plus Syrian refugees are currently settled..

  19. Conveniently missing... by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Is the cost comparison. Refugees almost always outnumber housing capabilities. The fact that this is an article about their merits and this info is missing raises some concern.

  20. Thus the need for a global basic income by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Or improved gift economy, better democratic planning, or better subsistence.

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  21. Quality of Life? by mveloso · · Score: 1

    What do the aid organizations value? Do they want a sustainable shelter that's designed for people to live in for a decade, or do they want a cheap crappy solution?

    I suppose it depends on who the organizations service. Does it serve the refugees or the conscience of the donors?

    1. Re:Quality of Life? by Dyne09 · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but everything is about cost. You may think aid organizations are being cheap, but they have real budgets to work with, ones that are often very limited. These budgets are usually coming from various governments, which themselves have relatively limited resources to work with. Just look that current internal dialog process in western Europe and the USA; all those respective governments are finding every excuse they can to shut down the already tiny amounts of money they provide in foreign assistance. Furthermore, a tent living situation may not be ideal, but it isn't crappy, no more than the IKEA shelter is "sustainable." Both are pretty limited and in many ways insulting responses to an otherwise horrible human catastrophe. To further underscore my point, if the IKEA shelter at mass production costs $1,000.00 USD a unit, and the tent costs $500.00 USD a unit, then relatively small settlements could see savings in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars by using tents, money that could be spent on other services such as food, medical assistance, education, etc. If we all had unlimited resources to work with, then why wouldn't we just build a 5 star hotel and golf course too?

  22. Distasters are BIG MONEY by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    The bigger the disaster the better! Bring on global warming! Lets put our charity funds (and pensions) into BP!

    Governments have issues with waste and corruption but the NGOs get away with far far more and almost nothing ever happens to the crooks. No oversight or recourse.

    Just look at Haiti and how much money that poor persecuted nation received but never got their hands on; the claims of corruption justifying the privatization of nearly everything and how little money got to the people. NGOs paying their employees 10x to do local jobs while the locals sat jobless - including the skilled ones. As usual, the 1 size fits all approach was used so things that are expensive and even useless are employed. Bottled water? seriously? They paid more than the price of GAS for water? Whenever it was possible, yes. Happens with everything.

    Naturally, a strong military presence is required... to protect the contractors from the increasingly frustrated public... not just the small minority of criminals who provide the justification. Even if they don't exist: look at how the occupy protestors around the world were attacked on the grounds of security and sanitation!

  23. Re:on the move? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    You know nobody will leave the solar panels and LED lights behind.

    If this is widely deployed, in 100 years the worst parts of Africa will have these solar panels ganged up on peoples traditional housing. That's of course assuming Africa is still a basket case.

    Smart design would make these parts modular and remove able. The UN/host country is only going to doze the camp after the people leave.

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  24. Re:30 year old teen angst by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Your wrong; you are not enlightened; you are deluded.

    Mutual prosperity is hear by any reasonable historic definition. The first worlds 'poor' are fat. It is coming/has already come to much of China and India. Globally the middle class is going strong.

    There will be ugly bits, just as there were ugly bits in the first world, hopefully they will get to real market capitalism soon and let their currencies float. I also hope we clean up our markets, perhaps some real honest foreign competition will force us to clean up our capital markets.

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  25. Swedish, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a Swedish corporation, but headquartered in the Netherlands because of the tax break they get there.

  26. *Cough* Ever heard of statelessness? by Kergan · · Score: 1

    Six months sounds good enough, to me. That's longer than I would want to live in a temporary shelter. Much longer and you're not so much providing humanitarian aid, as you are shipping-in prefabricated houses for many thousands of people. (...)

    After 6 months, you should be building-up an economy... Paying some of those local refugees (a truly tiny amount of) money, to construct real homes for their fellow refugees, and hopefully even a few commercial structures.

    You don't seem to realize that there are millions of stateless people out there in the world.

    Consider the breakups of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia for but recent examples. Not one of us says one country; not born here says the other. Stateless. Dramatically so when they end up in refugee camps, as was the case the Balkans.

    What it means in practice: no citizenship in their home country; no citizenship in the country they're refugees in; no passport; no State willing to give them a passport; no State rushing to give them asylum; no right to work, let alone to travel; essentially no rights at all, in fact; nothing; zip. Just the right to sit there and wait in a camp. Sometimes for years.

    Anyway, yeah, you're right on paper. It would be a lot better if you could just give them some money to move on with life. In practice, you'll find that they're simply not welcome to settle anywhere -- not even home.

  27. Re:30 year old teen angst by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Capitalism is a nice idea, extremely effective at efficiently allocating resources. But left to itself it's a self-destroying process - barring spectacular stupidity capitalism concentrates wealth into the hands of those who have it to begin with. It doesn't take long before those who have benefited from the wealth concentration manage to leverage their economic power into regulatory capture and other political power, destroying the free market. And many, many markets are natural monopolies where even a free market won't help things.

    I'm not sure what exactly the solution is, but I think a measure of socialism is likely going to be part of it. You wouldn't expect the water cycle to remain stable if the water flowed into the oceans and then remained there to be leveraged in the internal power struggles of the whales, instead evaporation pumps that water back out into the hinterlands where it can then flow back to the sea, transforming the land along the way. I think we need something similar in our economic cycles - the myth of trickle-down economics has been pretty seriously debunked at this point, and is about the only mechanism unfettered capitalism offers for completing the cycle. Perhaps something like a "10% income redistribution tax" would do the trick - everyone is taxed based on income, the proceeds to be distributed equally to everyone - with the present income distribution in the US I believe something like 80%-90% of the population would benefit from that directly, and a steady flow of serious wealth from the bottom would give new economic players a chance to compete with and even overthrow the old conglomerate giants, reducing the market-destroying influence of the major powers.

    Especially as ever cheaper and more powerful automation removes the need for human labor we're going to have to come up with new economic models. At present we seem to be headed for a world where those few who happen to be holding overwhelming economic power when near-total automation takes over will own all production and, aside from their chosen servants and jesters, the rest of us will starve. We already have the technology and productivity to turn the world into the sort of low-labor utopias dreamed of a century ago, personally I think we should at least make the attempt.

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  28. Re: Only two problems. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

    It was an ikea joke.

    Sorry if I offended one of your favorite massive multi-nationals.

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  29. Re:on the move? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

    My experience:
    You can place IKEA furniture (or other brand cheap fiberwood) and use it for years without problems.
    You can take it apart and reassemble it. There may be some additional play on the connections, but nothing major. If you are a klutz and bump into your furniture all the time this little bit of play will become a large bit of play and the furniture is destroyed.
    If you do not bump into your furniture all the time, you can disassemble it again and reassemble it. But you'll have to use a filling glue in the joints. Polyurethane worked perfectly with the old fiber boards, dunno about the new (polyurethane doesn't work on MDF).
    The next time you take it apart you'll need a hammer.

    Now my old oak furniture is a bit different. You just can't take that apart. That 4 m long cabinet is going to take at least a 4 m long trailer. Granted, it'll survive that transport a lot more times than the fiber board ones.

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  30. Re:30 year old teen angst by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Certainly. And yet the path of history suggests that the rest of us are claiming an ever-growing amount of wealth and power from the aristocrats. Sure, the story hasn't been going well in the US lately, but over the course of centuries there seems to be a pretty clear, if sawtoothed, trend. The question now seems to me to be which will come first? The next possibly violent leap forward for populist equality, or the development of sufficiently advanced automated war machines so that the human ranks can be reduced to only the most hard-core loyalists, removing dissent within the ranks as a limiting consideration. I imagine the latter could potentially delay the former for quite some time, but even a pax imperia will eventually collapse under the weight of internal strife and indolence.

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