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PCWorld Magazine Is No More

harrymcc writes "After slightly more than 30 years, PCWorld — one of the most successful computer magazines of all time — is discontinuing print publication. It was the last general-interest magazine for PC users, so it really is the end of an era. Over at TIME, I paused to reflect upon the end of the once-booming category, in part as a former editor at PCWorld, but mostly as a guy who really, really loved to read computer magazines."

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  1. PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good riddance to it I say!

    1. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, even if it wasn't full of ads, printing a paper magazine to discuss multimedia machines that could better display the content is insane.

      Paper computer magazines haven't made any sense for quite a while now.

    2. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Good riddance to it I say!

      Ah, but in the early days, the ads were the best part. I rarely even bothered to read the articles. When each issue arrived, I would open it up to the cheap yellow "tombstone" ads near the back. You could run an ad there for $100/month. There was always some fascinating new gizmo that some guy was making in his garage and advertising there. After a month or two, most of the products disappeared, but some of them grew into successful startups. Reading those ads was like watching the history of technology unfold.

    3. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      I havent had a sub in many many years but as a kid in the early 90s PCmag was just plain awesome, It really helped me learn in my early years (6-12)

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    4. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I loved it for the game demo cds that came with it.

    5. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by adeelarshad82 · · Score: 1

      Emm PCMag and PCWorld are not the same. PCMag stopped print years ago.

    6. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      They died off because all the kind of user who would have read that mag is the kind of user who would replace a PC with a locked-down toy tablet.

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    7. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember getting 3.5" floppies loaded with great stuff. Amazing to me that there was so much fun to be had on 1.44MBs. I loved the Doom shareware demo and it led to a sale of the full game. The "economics of FREE" in action.

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    8. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by HaZardman27 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or they could be browsing the internet on a PC. They could even buy a cheap tablet with wifi access to carry into their bathroom so they could read from more useful resources than an ad-filled magazine even while they relieve themselves. The reason that PC magazines died off is because they are an absolutely outdated medium, not because the people who would read them are now hipsters.

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    9. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Preach Mrs AC, boy was that the damned truth! My ex gave me a subscription to the thing a few years back and the first thing I had to do when an issue came in was open it over a trash bin to catch all the damned inserts that would fall out, and it seemed like every article was spread halfway across the mag because what would take 2 paragraphs on a webpage would take 4 pages thanks to all the ads they had jammed into each and every page!

      Needless to say when that year was up no matter how many emails they sent begging for me to renew I didn't, at least on the Web I can control the ads and refuse to go to pages where they take 2 paragraphs and spread it out to 4 pages, with PCW they just crammed the living hell out of the thing. I bet if one were to take one of their last issues, cut out all the ads and just print the actual stories? damned thing probably wouldn't be 14 pages long, the rest was just crap.

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    10. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Completely agree - I fondly remember picking up Computer Shopper to see what the best deals were for buying cheap memory, hard drives, etc. Zines like Byte and PCWorld were ok for general purpose reading, but Dr Dobbs was one of my favs for programming. Along with 2600 and Phrack for stuff on the fringes.

      Thanks for the memories - I hate to say it, but today's tech is nowhere as exciting as those wild-west days were. I feel privileged to have been part of that.

      Now get off my lawn!

    11. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Agreed, even if it wasn't full of ads, printing a paper magazine to discuss multimedia machines that could better display the content is insane.

      Paper computer magazines haven't made any sense for quite a while now.

      Well, when Linux Journal went paperless, I dropped my subscription. I own an eReader and there's a lot of stuff I'd rather read that way, but technical magazines are an exception.

      PCWeek's website has always been pretty useless to me, however. I haven't actually laid hands on the print edition for a long while, but it used to be a lot better compared to its online edition.

    12. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by RenderSeven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gotta love that new magazine trend: "continued on page 82" and there aren't any page numbers. Whoever came up with that is an Evil Genius.

    13. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Informative

      around here it was just not being outdated that killed them. some local magazines were first to go online and being up to date. like this one magazine I used to subscribe to.

      what killed them(for me and majority of subscribers) was that when computers went really mainstream in late '90s they went totally mainstream with their articles - this ended up in them having just shit for content. all they have now are some fluff reviews, nothing about how to do cool stuff and full page images. the same magazine that had 10 years earlier articles about c64 coding, assembly, basic, interfacing hw to computers, really soulful honest game reviews, detoriated to a magazine that had yearly printer reviews, yearly monitor reviews - and the text for those pieces could have been the same from year to year. somewhere along the line they even dipped the bottom of the barrel and started doing "full" game reviews based on fucking screenshots, in order to "compete" while in reality I or other readers wouldn't have cared shit if the games they reviewed were 6 months or even a year old as long as they reviewed them properly. they should have kept writing for the computer hobbyists, since the computer non-hobbyists aren't going to read their fucking magazine - offline OR online. the fuckers even changed the paper to some glossy variant that doesn't flame up easily so couldn't even light up the stove for the sauna with it if the issue was just bullshit...

      but non-hobbyists so called casual computer users are a bigger market so they tried to steer the magazine toward them... failing miserably along the way. and now that same fucking magazine wants me to pay 1 euro - I'm not kidding - for reading a single article online. FUCK EM.

      I mean, that magazine had the guts to do a game review this short back in the day: "shi**y clone of commando". on print - and apparently that was enough to say about the game and I believed the review, it seemed honest. now later they didn't dare to criticize any game that harshly, everything is at least "ok" and they spend paragraphs justifying how someone casual might like the game or just outright praising the game without seeing it play nor playing it.

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    14. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      whoops, yeah, I had them both years ago, havent had either since around 2K1

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    15. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by jdmuskrat · · Score: 1

      no loss, did not know it still existed.

    16. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Yup, I would read PC Magazine for the reviews of software/hardware I was considering buying, although often I wouldn't purchase the Editor's Choice for one reason or another. Computer Shopper is where I would actually look to buy it. Dr. Dobbs I read for the technical articles, and kept forever because I would often want to use some algorithm I had read a year or two prior (or more).

      All that stuff I use the web for today, and of the bunch, I miss Dr. Dobbs the most, but I find most of what I'm looking for on the web much faster than I could by searching through my stack of magazines anyhow, and I don't have to re-key it.

    17. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer Shopper pointed me to Linux in the early 90s, long before anyone else mentioned it. Byte was my fave for more language theory and such, Creative Computing was by far the best all around for news, reviews and 'type-it-in' code. At least 2600 and MacWorld are still around...

    18. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should've read it circa 1995. It was useful then. It stopped being so around 2002ish.

    19. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not a single of those ads tracked you.

    20. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Dude that is the second reason (the first being all the damned ads and inserts) that got my goat and why I refused to renew it or Wired, I'd be reading an article that should have been two pages max and not only would they spread it among 4 or 5 pages but those pages would be all over the mag and not a damned page # in fricking sight!

      Frankly the whole thing reminds of Windows 8 and the "death of the PC" in that its NOT the medium, be it the mag or the PC, its the assholes at the top that think they can shovel shit to us while jacking the price and "shock!" people get turned off and walk away. Its business 101 man, you give the folks what they want or they go on down the road, PCWorld, Wired, windows 8, its all about giving a big middle finger to the customer and caring only about what corporate wants, so no shit people are walking away.

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    21. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only bought it for the ads.

    22. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2

      Anyone for Compute! 8 bits should be enough for everyone.

    23. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Nimey · · Score: 1

      New? New? Mags have been doing that since at least the late '80s and probably before that.

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    24. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Not like what he is talking about friend. if your local library has back issues look at something like Wired from the early 90s and then look at it now. Back in the day they would have small page numbers or move them from the bottom to a corner or some such, but with mags today i can pick up a mag and go a good 30+ pages before I EVER see a single page number and when you have articles that start on 20, have another page on 84, to finally end up with the conclusion around 137? Not having page numbers gets old REAL fast.

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    25. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not capitalizing the first word of a sentence makes you look like a moron.

    26. Re:PC World - More Ads then the Internet! by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Yep, just like he's talking about, just not with the old computer mags. I saw that a lot when I did some project in fifth grade (1989-1990) that involved cutting pictures out of old magazines my teacher had saved. Can't remember which, but probably women's magazines of some type.

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  2. No worries by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Funny

    PCWorld can just rename itself MobileWorld or CloudWorld or SocialWorld and it will be thriving again!

    1. Re:No worries by MLBs · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more like TabletWorld, if you follow the analysts of the PC market.

    2. Re:No worries by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Another nail in the PC coffin. Wake me when it's time to spread the ashes.

    3. Re:No worries by the+agent+man · · Score: 4, Funny

      or how about "Post-PCWorld" ?

    4. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll go with SocialWorld, seems like most have gone that way, including DrDobbs. Now that I think about it, even the Embedded magazine went to child like hell as well and is no more. Even EETimes, is just globalist social fluff.

    5. Re:No worries by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd go with LinuxDesktopWorld myself. I hear next year will be the year it finally takes off!

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    6. Re:No worries by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      It's strange, for some reason, Pen Computing Magazine has always been a niche publication: http://www.pencomputing.com/ --- guess they missed out when they picked the wrong part of the device for their name --- wonder how theyd've faired if they'd named themselves ``Tablet Computing Magazine''.

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    7. Re:No worries by cuncator · · Score: 2

      Will do, Rip Van Winkle. See you in a decade or two.

    8. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... why would there be a coffin if there's going to be a cremation?

    9. Re:No worries by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      Well, you know, it's like Rasputin. Poisoned, shot, beaten and drowned. Gotta make sure it stays dead.

    10. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cause death of the pc fearmongers tend to be stupid.

    11. Re:No worries by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Guess you've never been to a cremation. At least not one in the western world.

    12. Re:No worries by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but even so - everyone will expect it to be free.

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    13. Re:No worries by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Undoubtedly there will be an app for that.

    14. Re:No worries by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

      TabletCloud Magazine. There's a winner right there!

    15. Re:No worries by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      For the last few years it HAS been essentially Mobile World. There's more articles about "apps" than desktop software. Of course, that's because the mass market people actually buy apps but tend to not actually purchase software.

      For a while there they were Blackberry World and seemed aimed at wannabe entrepreneurs/SOHO users.

    16. Re:No worries by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      If only Linux format would get a US distributor or hire some US staff to do a US region version, I might actually subscribe! That's the closest thing to LinuxDesktopWorld.

    17. Re:No worries by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

      PCWorld can just rename itself MobileWorld or CloudWorld or SocialWorld and it will be thriving again!

      Yeah, because look how well that strategy worked for PC/Computing Magazine!

      Oh wait...

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    18. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    19. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another nail in the PC coffin. Wake me when it's time to spread the ashes.

      From my cold, dead, hands!

    20. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, Linux Format IS IN ENGLISH and with an excellent monthly DVD containing distros, books, and various apps for linux. I do subscribe BTW. The downside is that it is expensive but for the information and DVDs I think it is well worth it.

      http://www.linuxformat.com/

  3. e-mags are still magazines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So long as PC World continues to publish content on their site or maybe even start publishing via Google Play, this is not the end of the magazine. It has merely shifted formats.

  4. Figures by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can only ramble on about going paperless in print articles for so long before you start to look a little silly.

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  5. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PC World?

    I haven't seen them on the magazine rack for over ten years. I didn't even know they were still in business.

  6. About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't know how much time I've spent correcting people on things they read in that worthless joke of a magazine but it's been one of the largest sources of misinformation in the industry I've ever seen, almost as bad as that blog Rob Malda used to run.

  7. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that given the rise in electronic media, this is pretty much an inevitability for print magazines, but it's still pretty shocking. PCWorld was one of my favorite tech magazines. I guess the problem was that I'd only read it while I was perusing the drug store, or if I felt like splurging on an occasional copy. Magazine subscriptions are a totally unnecessary expense for most folks now.

  8. Sad, but no great loss... by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For at least 15 of those 30 years, it read more like Computer Shopper, anyway. I mourned it a long time ago.

    1. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by NormAtHome · · Score: 3, Informative

      For sure, but what did it for me was their reviews and how good competitive products never made it in to the group being reviewed and things that were highly rated took a beating on end user reviews.

    2. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Computer Shopper hasn't read like Computer Shopper for some time. That thing used to be as wide as a tabloid and thick as a phone book. E-commerce ended its one-stop shopping mission.

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    3. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      For sure, but what did it for me was their reviews and how good competitive products never made it in to the group being reviewed and things that were highly rated took a beating on end user reviews.

      To be included in the comparison, and even to get high ratings, you had to buy ads in the magazine. I worked for a company that ran ads in PCWorld in the 1980s and 1990s. The ad salespeople would come right out and say that if you increased your ad budget, they would make sure you were "taken care of" in the reviews. So we increased our ad spending. We were more interested in being rich than ethical.

    4. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by PRMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember in the early days when they weren't "bought" like PCMag. But eventually they succumbed. I distinctly recall the day when the worst version of Norton in history won when it slowed your PC down by half the moment you installed it. It was accompanied by Norton ads all over the magazine (back cover, centerfold, inside front cover). I knew then that it was bought for sure.

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    5. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by PRMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Computer Shopper is called "NewEgg" these days.

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    6. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I loved computer shopper. Not the souless glossy pamphlet that it became. The real computer shopper was 300+ pages of nothing but ads all printed on cheap pulp paper, heavy enough to make phone books jealous and mailmen cry.

      It was a cheap source of paper and weight when in need, like when you are sitting on the toilet and notice your short of a vital component. Got a computer shopper, your covered. Need something to hold your ass down when a hurricane winds a blowing, your covered. Got a body to sink and got no cement, your covered.

      Damn I miss that book, but I'm sure glad my ex wife missed when she threw one at me.

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    7. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Yes, but ComputerShopper at articles too...now if NewEgg had some staff doing howto's and informative articles....

    8. Re:Sad, but no great loss... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yes, but ComputerShopper at articles too...

      Riiiight .... I read Computer Shopper for the articles. Yeah, that's the ticket, the articles.

      I used to buy quite a bit from NewEgg. Before they charged me a $350 restocking fee for an unopened extra switch that had been ordered for a project. Amazon Prime gets it here faster anyway.

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  9. Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Not to be confused with Personal Computer World, or PCW. The earliest and best UK computer magazine, that already died in 2009.

    1. Re:Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by turgid · · Score: 4, Informative

      I ended my subscription to that back in the 90s when they chose to ignore anything non-Windows.

      It used to have great reviews as well as technical articles and many pages of program listings in a wide variety of languages for many different platforms. There were tutorials on things like the maths behind 3D graphics and fractals, CPU architectures (there was once a superb one on the Motorola 68000 family), ARM assembly language (when the Archimedes was kicking the PeeCee's butt), you name it.

      Then it turned into a Windows PeeCee shopping magazine with how-to-change-your-Windows-background-picture articles...

    2. Re:Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      You forget MacByter, sadly missed.

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    3. Re:Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Ain't that the truth. The glory days were certainly the early 80s, when all varied home computers were being released. I treasured the copies with the first reviews of the ZX80, ZX81 and the BBC Micro and so on. Very sad when I had to part with them.

    4. Re:Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was going to comment on Personal Computer World too, if only to contrast how that has *already* been dead for four years- so its US near-namesake has actually done quite well. Perhaps the economies of scale in the larger market made keeping its head above water possible. Then again, other UK magazines are still going, so perhaps it was specific issues with its position in the market that led to the former's downfall. PC Advisor (which is effectively the UK edition of PC World, renamed to avoid confusion with the aforementioned) is still going, though apparently it's down from a circulation of around 65,000 in 2007 to 16,500 in 2012. Wonder if they'll keep that going.

      Back to Personal Computer World, though. I bought it in the late-90s up until (I'd guess) the mid-00s, though I remembered noting when it was discontinued that I hadn't bought it for quite some time (2-3 years?). Even then, while it still had good parts that made it worth buying (the editorial columns, and tutorial/technical bits near the back), it was also clearly past its glory days, including as it did a lot of boring beige-box PC group tests and the like that no-one would care about even 3 months later. It also tried to make itself look as dull and like any other boring PC mag as possible by featuring a beige box PC system (complete with CRT) on the cover every month. Yawn.

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    5. Re:Not to be confused with Personal Computer World by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I suspect as their circulation was shrinking, the power of the advertisers became stronger, and it may even have been that the front page was paid for by the featured beige box manufacturer.

      It is such as shame, as back in it's glory days, every front cover was a work of art, either illustrated, or artful photography.

  10. CM are NOT dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Computer magazines are not dead. Computer != PC.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_magazines

  11. Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Over the last 30 years, its editors got in bed with whatever comapny was big at the time and therefore apid the most for ad space (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Nokia, etc.)

    So much for unbiased journalism. PC World, aong with PC Mag, epitomized an era where ad dollars literally bought favorable reviews.

    What EA, Ubi, Activision and others did to printed gaming mags was peanuts in comparison.

    1. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should get in bed with spell check.

  12. Just Gotta Say It by jasnw · · Score: 5, Funny

    This really BYTEs.

    1. Re:Just Gotta Say It by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Like that joke hasn't been made 2600 times before

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    2. Re:Just Gotta Say It by jasnw · · Score: 1

      More like 2048 times. Get with the program!

    3. Re:Just Gotta Say It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That... does not Compute!

    4. Re:Just Gotta Say It by blueturffan · · Score: 1

      RUN away! RUN away!

    5. Re:Just Gotta Say It by JustOK · · Score: 2
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    6. Re:Just Gotta Say It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Whoosh

    7. Re:Just Gotta Say It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You youngins need to be CREATIVE with your COMPUTING!

    8. Re:Just Gotta Say It by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Yes, like getting the whole FAMILY involved with COMPUTING, or a FAMILY AND a HOME OFFICE involved with COMPUTING Think of the ANTIC's one could have.

    9. Re:Just Gotta Say It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just showing the SoftSide of his personality.

  13. B'bye by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't say I'm sorry to see it go. It was like reading a car magazine that explains that cars have four tires in every article.

    1. Re:B'bye by JustOK · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many cars have 5 tires.

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    2. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cannot forget that it also included some jackass named after a keyboard with a column at the end of every issue who moaned and whinged that any car without wheels the size he likes are doomed, doomed, doomed.

    3. Re:B'bye by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      John C. Dvorak was in PC Magazine, not PC World.

    4. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Private Dumbfuck, do you not consider the spare tire to be a tire? It's in the name! Now get back to pushing that mop you maggot! Sincerely, Cpt Jackass

    5. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't brag, Cowboy Neal drives a Reliant Robin, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:B'bye by xigxag · · Score: 1

      A car with 5 tires also has four tires.

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    7. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're not thinking of the column by Allen Azerty?

    8. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are now promoted from Cpt. Jackass to Maj. Obviousness. Congratulations dumb fuck.

    9. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a car with 5 tires has 120 possible combinations of four tires

    10. Re:B'bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean...

      a car with 5 tires has 120 possible permutations of four tires

  14. Upgrading? by theurge14 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Suddenly millions of people cried out at once when they realized they haven't used a PC expansion slot in over 5 years.

    The "PC enthusiast" scene has been quietly dying for years.

    1. Re:Upgrading? by tibit · · Score: 2

      The "PC enthusiast" scene has been quietly dying for years.

      As the technology matures, there's less and less to be enthusiastic about. It moves from technology frontier to everyday to mundane. Sure, there are PC enthusiasts just like there are car enthusiasts, but their numbers are nowadays tiny compared to the number of cars and PCs out there, respectively. Car enthusiasts, for some reason, are slightly higher in relative abundance, it'd seem, than PC enthusiasts. Perhaps understanding cars, especially old cars, takes a bit less brains?

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    2. Re:Upgrading? by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Im not so sure that PC enthusiasts are down, I just think there is a larger audience of PC users today then when it was still a hobby and therefore it seems small. at one point we were the big fish in a small pond, now we are the small fish in a big pond

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    3. Re:Upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats a huge leap. how does brains factor into it at all? Rebuilding an old car has a coolness factor that building a pc will never have.

    4. Re:Upgrading? by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      You are just a bit early for the PC enthusiasts to be equal to the car enthusiasts. Cars are over 100 years old now and PC's are just over 30.

      PC's of today are where cars were back in the 1980's They have started to move away from things that we build and tinker with and into the buy what you need and take it to a specialist to fix. The real enthusiasts will still be building systems just as the real car enthusiasts are still building and working on cars. The next step is the true customization phase. Custom built cars today are a real work of art, not just an old car that has been hopped up and modified a bit. They are far more custom and far more complex than off the line cars. Computers over the next few years will begin to go that direction. Where we start to see more and more truly custom systems that wow us with both the amount of customization as well as the art involved.

    5. Re:Upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "PC enthusiast" scene has been quietly dying for years.

      As the technology matures, there's less and less to be enthusiastic about. It moves from technology frontier to everyday to mundane. Sure, there are PC enthusiasts just like there are car enthusiasts, but their numbers are nowadays tiny compared to the number of cars and PCs out there, respectively. Car enthusiasts, for some reason, are slightly higher in relative abundance, it'd seem, than PC enthusiasts. Perhaps understanding cars, especially old cars, takes a bit less brains?

      I think more of the gearhead population exists by comparison because there are many many aspects to cars, fabrication, welding, casting, making-it-fit. A '68 Camaro that still runs (and runs well) is quite an achievement and represents a bunch of second-sourcing and fabrication and restoration and effort.

      An old PC, in comparison, is next to worthless. Yesterdays machines were less capable than today, and even if you put the same software we're running today, the hardware would be dog slow. After all, there isn't much value in, say, a '98 TNT2 video card when you're only a couple of compatibility shims away from running the game on modern hardware -- with max settings and livestreaming it to your friends. Not only that, most computer components are pretty non-serviceable. You're not going to pull a working NV5 from another video card and solder it into another card that was overclocked too hot and broke. Maintaining old hardware is pretty much replacing dried-out capacitors and making sure it doesn't get too dirty.

      The only thing at all interesting would be to hack it and make it do something it never intended to do, and even then it'll probably just get a new EEPROM or a few lines connected that were never used. In a lot of ways, even in the car world that's more interesting, because who is going to cook up a CPU in their own home AND make it pin compatible with a Pentium II AND do so so completely and perfectly that things are going to run on it? Yet you hear about people fabricating engines from scratch.

    6. Re:Upgrading? by CheshireDragon · · Score: 2

      I have built 2 brand new systems in the last year. About to build a Haswell when Summer is over. I always add a video card because I can't stand on-board video. I even had to put a wireless card in one of my systems where an ethernet cable was not an option. I think it has slowed down, but there is still a large crowd out there. I even see it gathering people where it never has before. Console gamers are moving to build there own computers for expandability, options, and control over their own system. The n00b builders such as, my son, who wanted a computer. He asked me before 3rd grade and I told him to bring home good grades. He did and I bought parts and showed him how to put it together and he did it all by himself. So, I guess that brings the tally to 3 systems in the last year. :)

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    7. Re:Upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is plenty of places it can go, even for the casual user too.

      Such as reshaping the PC around the Tablet model.
      Tablet now becomes the main system.
      It has an extended cord socket that adds more bandwidth for...
      A USB, ethernet and "something else" HUB, powers it, connects to the outside world of peripherals. But what is this something else?
      The something else is a system link that has a socket on the hub specifically to connect to a new standard, and that connects to a box that has a CPU, memory and GPU combo for heavy loads. The box can be created in various form factors to fit the different forms of connecting cards up, such as SLI.
      Now this box connects to an external monitor for much more freedom in monitor use, in addition to being useful for games, work, drawing, whatever. (and people can use their tablet more as a graphics tablet, I do this now in a sense)

      All of this stuff is possible, it just needs to be made more standard.
      Already there are boxes for laptops that allow you to hook a GPU straight in to it and to an external monitor to beef up that laptop.
      Works very well for those that are on the move but need some heavy lifting for games or graphics intense applications.

      So now people could take all their things with them in a tablet, then when they come home, they can hook it in to one cable and suddenly they have access to basically a full computer through proxy. (and the speeds for these things aren't going to be compromised much, these sorts of extension systems are really fast these days.)
      Connect up, say, 4 peripherals to the USB hub for keyboard, mouse, couple other things. 2 audio sockets (or more if someone gets a more expensive hub)

      I'd happily ditch my desktop for a system like this. Far easier to upgrade, far easier to take it with you as well compared to a PC, component seperation, etc.

    8. Re:Upgrading? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      You used to have to know a lot to be good with computers and a magazine was the only way to do it before the internet. Now, they are so easy almost anyone can use them and look things up on the internet.

      --
      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    9. Re:Upgrading? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Im not so sure that PC enthusiasts are down, I just think there is a larger audience of PC users today then when it was still a hobby and therefore it seems small. at one point we were the big fish in a small pond, now we are the small fish in a big pond

      In terms of hardware I'm pretty sure it's down, there used to be a lot more to tinkering with your PC. Today you grab a motherboard, slap in a quad core, single high end gaming card, 16GB RAM and a SSD and call it pretty much done for a moderate enthusiast build. For every component in my PC there's s reasonably priced upgrade if I'd care enough to want it and I couldn't really be arsed to overclock it because if there's any instability it'll be the nagging doubt that it's because of my overclock. It is diminishing returns, you can't get back any of the "oh WOW" moments I had where crappy blocky graphics suddenly looked almost real. It's like trying to recreate the sense of awe and wonder people had when they saw "horseless carriages", to me cars have always existed so they're perfectly natural.

      When I look at smart phones today, and think about explaining to a kid that in my day we didn't have smart phones they were just phones... connected by a wire... in a big bulky box at home... granted it was buttons to dial and not the old rotor phones, but seriously I feel like I'm from the stone age. We didn't have any Internet or even a modem, that alone should send their heads spinning. But they don't know what it was like, any more than I can sort of but not really imagine how people lived before electricity, refrigerators, freezers, washing machines and TV. They'll no more care about my idea of technological "wonders" than I do about the "wonders" of the past. I don't think I would have become an enthusiast if I grew up today even though the PCs are a million times better.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    10. Re:Upgrading? by adolf · · Score: 1

      In terms of hardware I'm pretty sure it's down, there used to be a lot more to tinkering with your PC. Today you grab a motherboard, slap in a quad core, single high end gaming card, 16GB RAM and a SSD and call it pretty much done for a moderate enthusiast build.

      Yeah, just like you used to buy a 386 board, slap in a CPU, a multi-IO card, some manner of video card, as much RAM as you could afford or make use of, and the largest IDE hard drive that you could get your wallet around. If you liked games or making music, you also installed a sound card.

      And...done. You turned it on, defined the hardware in BIOS, and it worked.

      Even in ISA world (prior to Plug-and-Pray), the default settings of most hardware was generally fine for a normal computer (such as that described above) and things tended to just plug in and work (with a driver or two, perhaps).

      Unless, of course, you got hysterical about it: I, for one, was certainly overclocking RAM and CPUs and ISA buses in the 386 days, futzing with RAM drives and expansion cards to improve disk performance, and using cleverness to get as much RAM as possible into a machine, and playing with interrupt and IO assignment in a bizarre and zero-sum game to see how many serial ports I could reliably get working on one machine at one time using commodity hardware.

      I still do all of this today, sometimes including the serial port game. I just do it with newer different hardware.

      The only meaningful difference between is that what used to be configured with jumpers is now configured with menus, and some of the mundanity of telling the computer what hardware it has installed is taken care of on my behalf.

      *shrug*

    11. Re:Upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that is just, like, your opinion, man....

    12. Re:Upgrading? by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, the good old days! The most insane overclock I ever saw back in 486 days was a friend of mine who dragged his 386 around to play a bit of Doom. We were all running 486DX33 / 486DX66 machines which powered through Doom and figured the 386 would be a pretty poor contender - right until he fired it up and loaded the game. It was screaming along as well as the 486s were, and that's when he told me he had overclocked it to something like 99mz. He reckons it took ages to find a chip he could do that to, but there were tons of them at his work no longer in use so he swapped them in and out till he found a really good one :D

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    13. Re:Upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the PC enthusiasts are simply a small minority, compared to most PC users now (and users of other "simple" tech).
      But the absolute numbers are probably higher than they were 10 years ago.

  15. A Quibble by HiThere · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is mischaracterized as "the last general-interest magazine", as at least when I last read it, over a decade ago now, it was quite MSWind centric. It didn't even cover Apple.

    Admittedly, i didn't make a large sample at that time, but that was merely to confirm that it hadn't change. Byte and Dr. Dobbs were much more general interest (though Dr. Dobbs was a bit technical for that description).

    --

    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    1. Re:A Quibble by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 2

      It didn't even cover Apple.

      They had some articles on apple and even linux.

    2. Re:A Quibble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didn't even cover Apple.

      Maybe the "PC" in the title should have led you to expect that?

    3. Re:A Quibble by Nimey · · Score: 2

      IIRC it'd been basically Windows-centric since several months after Windows 95's release. After that point I stopped seeing anything about MS-DOS or OS/2.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    4. Re:A Quibble by youngatheart · · Score: 1

      Really? Personal Computer means Windows only in the heads of Microsoft marketing drones. It wasn't that long ago that PC was synonymous with Home Computer which certainly would have included Apple computers.

    5. Re:A Quibble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure when it started, but they probably stopped covering Apple whenever MacWorld magazine was spawned. It PCWorld was anything like it, it wasn't essential even back in the 90s when the internet gave access to much less content than today. Articles were too generic, reviews rarely dipped below 3.5 stars.

  16. Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long would you expect a computer enthusiast to use anything but a computer to consume media?

  17. Advertising by twoears · · Score: 5, Funny

    So where are Compuserve and AOL going to get all their customers?

  18. Next up : TIME? by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Over at TIME, I paused to reflect upon the end of the once-booming category...

    Tick-tock, TIME, tick-tock...

    1. Re:Next up : TIME? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto. I was more surprised to hear that Time is still in publication!

  19. Who knew . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I react to this news in much the same fashion I will presumably someday react to the passing of Abe Vigoda.

    1. Re:Who knew . . . by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I react to this news in much the same fashion I will presumably someday react to the passing of Abe Vigoda.

      I'm fairly certain that Abe Vigota will never die, and is likely already several hundred years old.

    2. Re:Who knew . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abe Vigoda is still very much alive and kicking.
      He gets called every time some other famous person dies.
      (Abe is actually a very nice man, I worked on a movie with him in the 80's, we all thought he was dead then)

  20. Scheduled print periodicals by intermodal · · Score: 1

    There are very few topics which justify scheduled print at this point. It's important, for example, to have print newspapers so kidnappers can confirm in photograph that their hostage is alive today and not a fortnight ago.

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    In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
    1. Re:Scheduled print periodicals by kamaaina · · Score: 1
  21. I miss computer magazines (not this one) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I miss the days of the C++ Journal, or Dr. Dobbs, which had high quality articles. Sure, you can get them online, but I like to look at something that isn't a computer screen occasionally. Magazines are a nice break from an LCD screen that sits at the same depth from me all day.

  22. end of second era by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first era of the PC ended with Byte. This was when people actually put computers together, actually understood what the computer was doing, and wasn't obsessed with memory and clock speed unless it actually improved performance. Then, over the past 20 years it simply became what MS Windows machine to buy and how expensive MS Office is. So PC World ending might signal a world in which we are trying to innovative things with computers again, albeit in a much more restrictive environment.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:end of second era by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      I don't know what you are talking about. I assembled a new computer just last year. It is far less challenging than it used to be since today most things are integrated on the motherboard. But at least I can still have my choice of graphics card, CPU, RAM, disk, etc.

    2. Re:end of second era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and i put together a some IKEA furniture just last year.

    3. Re:end of second era by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      The first era of the PC ended with Byte. This was when people actually put computers together, actually understood what the computer was doing, and wasn't obsessed with memory and clock speed unless it actually improved performance.

      By that definition, there never was an era of the PC because virtually nobody who wasn't a professional understood what the computer was actually doing once CPU's got more complex than the 4004. The same goes for memory and clock speed, whether hobbyists or early adopters, nobody has ever had enough of either.
       
      As is usually the case with such claims, you're looking through rose colored glasses into the golden fields of fantasy - because the golden era you describe never existed.

    4. Re:end of second era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my day we made our computer chips the old fashioned way!! with pliers and beach sand! I soldered with two sticks rubbed together and when that didn't work I wire-wrapped everything 10 times!

    5. Re:end of second era by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      It's pretty easy to slap a mobo into a case and maybe some cards and call it building a PC.

      In the day I can recall BYTE magazine running a series of articles that published the schematics to a computer you could actually assemble from parts at home. You needed to actually place all the resisters, ICs, and gubbins on the board, and solder it all together and hopefully get a working machine from that.

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    6. Re:end of second era by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I used to play with TTL chips and breadboards to make circuits out of gates. The thing is at the levels of integration used today you are not going to be able to build even the I/O chips by yourself. The best you can hope is to program an FPGA into doing what you want.

    7. Re:end of second era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is fun and affordable. I highly encourage anyone with an interest to do this.

  23. Not surprising by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

    I used to work for MaximumPC magazine (I wrote Linux columns on their website a few years ago) and I saw the writing on the wall even then. Dead-tree magazines (especially tech-related) have been on their last legs for awile now.

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    "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
    1. Re:Not surprising by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Gordon Mah Ung, he's even more annoying than Dvorak!

    2. Re:Not surprising by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      Norman Chan was my supervisor. Things were great until he got reassigned to a different department. The new guy (Alex something or other, I forget his full name after so many years) didn't have much of an interest in open source so the job kind of dried up.

      --
      "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
    3. Re:Not surprising by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      That's sad, they still do a Linux article now and then akin to "here's how to install ubuntu".

      Does Computer Power User still have a Linux column?

    4. Re:Not surprising by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Speaking of; at least MaximumPC is still in print. I've picked up a copy or two from my local Micro Center store. It's great when you want to spend some quality time on the crapper and unplugged from the Internet.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    5. Re:Not surprising by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      Here's one of mine: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/the_complete_beginners_guide_linux I haven't read Computer Power User in a long time so I really don't know if they have a Linux column or not.

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      "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
  24. Meh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only magazines I subscribe to are Maxim and Popular Mechanics. I do not intend on renewing my Popular Mechanics because it is filled with ads, in fact there are at least 3 pages of adds and crap for every page with something good to read about.

    And you know what? TV is becoming the same way. Sometimes I time how long commercial breaks are, and it regularly gets into the 5-7 minute area.. Its downright annoying.

  25. Something for the weekend, Sir ? by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Is that you, Alistair ?

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    Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
  26. ancestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Kilobaud Microcomputing (later Microcomputing)
    Creative Computing
    Compute!
    Byte
    Dr. Dobbs
    A+
    InCider
    C.A.L.L. Apple
    GS-Plus
    Softline
    Softside
    Softalk
    Computer Shopper
    Hardcore (later Core)
    Micro (The 6502 Journal)
    Assembly Lines
    DEC Professional
    VAX Professional
    Maximum Linux
    Linux Journal

    All computer magazines I subscribed to or purchased regularly, and I think all but a few are long dead

    Sadly I still have most of them gathering dust in storage; I really need to do something about that...

    never got into windows so never got into single platform MS specific mags.

    1. Re:ancestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget:
      Commodore microcomputers/magazine
      INFO

  27. I'm a former subscriber by Nimey · · Score: 2

    I had a subscription to PC World for a few years in the mid '90s. It was a pretty good mag back then, although even then I could detect a bias towards corporate purchasing types in at least some of the content. As time went on it had less content and more ads. My mother bought me a couple issues fiveish years ago and there wasn't much left of what I remembered. It'd gotten dumbed-down quite a bit, but that probably has something to do with the democratization of computing.

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    Hail Eris, full of mischief...

    E pluribus sanguinem
  28. BYTE & Creative Computing Magazines by SnappyTech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The death of BYTE magazine and Creative Computing Magazines hit me HARD. I subscribed to them in high school after I spent $3,000 on a Apple II with 32k RAM. I could not comprehend how such amazing magazines could die. I can't even raise a brow at any magazine that vanishes now, especially when the world of Internet information is at hand.

    1. Re:BYTE & Creative Computing Magazines by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BYTE died for me when they let Jerry Pournelle spew his pig-ignorance all over its pages as a regular columnist. I loved it back in the days of Steve Ciarcia.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    2. Re:BYTE & Creative Computing Magazines by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      I still miss Creative Computing to this day. It was a fantastic magazine--one of a kind, really. You'll never find anything like that ever again, that's for sure! Program listings, discussion of algorithms, along with the "Standard" reviews and opinions. It was truly one for the ages.

    3. Re:BYTE & Creative Computing Magazines by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 2

      BYTE, Creative Computing and Dr. Dobbs were my crack back then, especially Dr. Dobbs since I am a programmer. I don't miss PC Mag. It was irrelvant even back then, and more so after the internet took off. Why do I want to read an article that is 3 months out of date on which printer I should buy (surprise, it was always one with a lot of advertising in that issue, often right next to the 'article') ? Don't even get me started on those idiots, Pournelle and Dvork.

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    4. Re:BYTE & Creative Computing Magazines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BYTE died for me when they let Jerry Pournelle spew his pig-ignorance all over its pages as a regular columnist. I loved it back in the days of Steve Ciarcia.

      -jcr

      http://www.panix.com/~dictum/humor/computers/general/Jerry-Pournelle-parody.html

  29. A moment of silence by ajegwu · · Score: 1

    A moment of silence for boot, the last computer magazine to matter.

    1. Re:A moment of silence by Outtascope · · Score: 1

      Naw, Ahoy! was the last computer mag to matter (though I did love the old computer shopper too, lusting over crap I couldn't afford)

    2. Re:A moment of silence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you can read German: try "c't" ( http://www.heise.de/ct/ ).

    3. Re:A moment of silence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nyet! Read LinuxFormat-tons of good articles on OSS, system administration and programming.

  30. Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    PCWorld magazine is dead.

    1. Re:Netcraft confirms it by unitron · · Score: 1

      Finally! Official confirmation.

      --

      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  31. Big Deal by houbou · · Score: 1

    It will still continue in digital, so, now, instead of taking your PCWorld mag to the bathroom, you'll be taking your tablet! :)

  32. Fond memories by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    I was always too poor to afford any of the things written about in PCWorld or PCMag, but I had subscriptions that became sort of like the big wish book of old, where I dreamed of one day owning a Coleco Adam or Ti994A.

    At that time, I actually had no computer at all. One of my friends got a complete Gateway 486DX2-66 system with a laser printer back when that sort of kit cost $5000. She would print stuff off usenet and use reams of paper just because she could. That her parents could drop 5G on a computer firmly cemented both of us on two entirely different societal levels. Or at least so it seemed for a while. I mean, everything my family owned at that time probably wasn't worth the cost of that setup,

    Years later, I have too many computers laying around and nobody cares any more who has the fastest one. And nobody prints much of anything. Shrug.

    The place where I worked recently junked a huge pile of old PCs. One of them was an ancient Gateway PC labeled simply as "Gateway Tower" on the brand plate. It was in fact the very same sort of 486DX2-66 that my friend had. Gateway didn't even have model numbers back then.

    It junked along with much more current gear. Nobody cared.

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    Sig for hire.
    1. Re:Fond memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shrug, I write like a 3 year old, shrug. What does societal levels have to do with anything other than idiot libs love to mention that kind of little kid stuff?

  33. Sad To See Them Go by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to work for a competitor of theirs (Windows Magazine), but I'm sad to see them go. Not PC World in general, but the "computer magazine" market in particular seems to have slid downhill a lot. As for the PC World staff goes, I sympathize a lot. I actually went through 2 shut downs with Windows Magazine. The first when we were called in by marketing, told we had a "great product but they didn't know how to sell it" so they were shutting us down. We went web-only and I remained on to work on their website. The second when a last-minute company-wide phone conference was called (never a good sign) and we were told that they were moving away from making their own content and would just rebrand others' content.

    --
    My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    1. Re:Sad To See Them Go by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      I actually went through 2 shut downs with Windows Magazine.

      To install the security updates, I guess.

  34. It was inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who buy computer magazine probably own a computer.
    If you're geeky enough to buy a magazine you;re geeky enough to Google what ever is printed in that magazine.

  35. Nifty: You may have had something to do with this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    * :)

    (My work appeared in your former place of employ's pages RIGHT around the time you worked there, in those "halcyon days of yore"!)

    APK

    P.S.=> PCWorld too, albeit, afaik - the German edition of that publication:

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    Now it seems that the "printed page" has gone by the wayside in lieu of online content largely instead - Oh "The Times, they are a changin'"...

    ... apk

  36. ...and.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...nothing of value was lost